[10:59] <digitalmouse> brr!!!  cold in here.... must be the Fridge!  greetings programs!
[01:21] <markit86> @schedule london
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 19 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 20:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 21:00: Technical Board
[05:05] <stefg> @schedule berlin
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board
[05:17] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[05:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board
[08:41] <highvoltage> @schedule Johannesburg
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board
[09:43] <coachJ> when does the mtg start?
[09:44] <ompaul> ~15 minutes
[09:46] <coachJ> k
[09:58] <ogra> good idea
[09:59] <coachJ> too late in the afternoon foe coffee here
[10:00] <highvoltage> for all of us? ;)
[10:00] <ogra> meep
[10:00] <LaserJock>  here
[10:00] <cbx33> oooh thanky Hawkwind 
[10:00] <cbx33> whoops
[10:00] <cbx33> HedgeMage, 
[10:00] <RichEd> greetz
[10:01] <HedgeMage> hehe
[10:01] <coachJ> lol
[10:01] <cbx33> get out of bed :p
[10:01] <RichEd> laptop ... some kind of euphemism ?
[10:01] <highvoltage> ouch
[10:01] <HedgeMage> rofl
[10:01] <coachJ> mtg be good for highvoltage's sake
[10:01] <cbx33> eeeewwww
[10:01] <highvoltage> RichEd: luckily not
[10:02] <ogra> ok, lets go :)
[10:03] <cbx33> oh you mean the meeting....
[10:03] <ogra> not much on the tech side as usual :)
[10:03] <ogra> we have a knot 1 milestone CD 
[10:03] <highvoltage> the first knot is tied, right?
[10:03] <cbx33> w00t
[10:03] <highvoltage> :)
[10:03] <ogra> which in fact took me since friday to get everything right
[10:03] <highvoltage> anyone install it yet?
[10:03] <cbx33> not yet
[10:04] <ogra> but now we have something we can break
[10:04] <ogra> muhahaha
[10:04] <highvoltage> mhuhaha
[10:04] <Mithrandir> knot-1 is all but released, yet.  That is, I'll release it tomorrow morning, since I've drunk something closer to a bottle of wine now and I don't think I should futz around with cd images then. :-P
[10:04] <Mithrandir> s/yet/yes/
[10:04] <ogra> Mithrandir, well, it wont change anymore :)
[10:04] <ogra> enjoy your wine :)
[10:05] <cbx33> and the hangover
[10:05] <Mithrandir> ogra: true. :-)
[10:05] <ogra> highvoltage, keep the iso around so you can try cbx33's gui sync tool ;)
[10:05] <cbx33> I was gonna mention that
[10:05] <cbx33> if anyone is interested in beta testing grasynco
[10:05] <rodarvus> hi
[10:05] <rodarvus> sorry
[10:05] <cbx33> it's on REVU at the moment
[10:06] <ogra> soo ... apart from that there is not much n the tech side ... 
[10:06] <rodarvus> I was concentrated updating libx11
[10:06] <cbx33> and also on LP
[10:06] <highvoltage> ogra: i intend to do that!
[10:06] <cbx33> may I ask you all to keep a backup of the isos....just in case
[10:06] <ogra> the ltsp tarball builder script is nearly done ...
[10:06] <cbx33> :D
[10:06] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:06] <cbx33> unless you don;t mind downloading again
[10:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: just beware, I'm quite crazy with feature requests, just ask ogra :)
[10:06] <ogra> the first try can be seen on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/
[10:07] <cbx33> highvoltage, that's cool
[10:07] <cbx33> I'll try to accomodate
[10:07] <ogra> highvoltage, heh, yes, you are (sometimes :) )
[10:07] <LaserJock> where are we with specs?
[10:07] <highvoltage> ogra: have ltsp upsream made any announcement yet?
[10:07] <ogra> LaserJock, SCP is still lacking some love, i'll jump on that tomorrow ...
[10:08] <ogra> highvoltage, nope, the system needs to run automatically
[10:08] <cbx33> but I'll wait till ogra has finished
[10:08] <cbx33> otherwise people may talk :p
[10:08] <LaserJock> ogra: LTSP specs are looking good?
[10:08] <ogra> what you see on the url is the first test run
[10:08] <highvoltage> ogra: what would be the difference between those tarballs ans a standard Edubuntu ltsp chroot?
[10:08] <ogra> LaserJock, well, the udeb is ready now to add the dhcp stuff ... SCP isnt approved yet but i had no time to fix stuff, mdz is notified
[10:08] <highvoltage> ogra: are they mostly the same so far?
[10:09] <ogra> ltspfs stuff isnt started yet
[10:09] <LaserJock> k
[10:09] <ogra> highvoltage, they are 100% the same
[10:09] <HedgeMage> If anyone's interested, we are planning a meeting for Edubuntu Handbook (formerly Cookbook) Friday at 21:30 (just scheduled, so may not be on fridge yet, I'll post to the mailing lists momentarily)
[10:09] <ogra> but we'll have arch specific ones ;)
[10:09] <highvoltage> ok. so no need to download then.
[10:09] <ogra> HedgeMage, docs are next 
[10:10] <HedgeMage> ogra: oops, sorry
[10:10] <ogra> highvoltage, nope, but if you ever want powerpc clients you can just grab the tarball ;)
[10:10] <highvoltage> ogra: i'll keep that in mind!
[10:10] <ogra> no need for fiddling around with nfs exports 
[10:10] <ogra> i'll probably make an installer package that downloads and unpacks it 
[10:11] <highvoltage> with a cbx33 front-end?
[10:11] <ogra> so you can install ltsp-multiarch-powerpc 
[10:11] <highvoltage> *g*
[10:11] <ogra> heh
[10:11] <cbx33> highvoltage, if you really really want it :p
[10:11] <ogra> or ltsp-multiarch-sparc ;)
[10:11] <highvoltage> cbx33: of course :)
[10:11] <cbx33> dang it :p
[10:11] <ogra> highvoltage, well, that should be an extra tab in ltsp-manager rather :)
[10:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: the LTSP people would love that
[10:12] <ogra> soo ...
[10:12] <cbx33> highvoltage, wanna mail me a brief outline
[10:12] <ogra> thats all from the tech side for this week ... i have noting t addd
[10:12] <cbx33> sometime and I'll see what I can dig up
[10:12] <ogra> documentation ? 
[10:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: sure, we can chat about it tomorrow on #edubuntu, then send to the mailing list and get some larger input
[10:12] <cbx33> sure
[10:13] <cbx33> we can build it onto ogras ltsp manager
[10:13] <ogra> HedgeMage, the CookBook was renamed ? 
[10:13] <highvoltage> cool.
[10:13] <HedgeMage> ogra: yep, at our last meeting.
[10:13] <ogra> HedgeMage, tell us about it, since not everyone was there :)
[10:13] <mhz> please
[10:14] <HedgeMage> ogra: Since it's not quite a cookbook format any more, we decided to vote for a new title... people posted suggestions to the wiki and our last meeting was a vote
[10:14] <HedgeMage> it's now the "Edubuntu Handbook"
[10:14] <ogra> great 
[10:14] <cbx33> :D
[10:14] <HedgeMage> Same fun stuff, new title :)
[10:14] <mhz> EHB
[10:15] <highvoltage> i think it's a good idea, merely because it will eliminate confusion about all the previous cookbook attempts :)
[10:15] <cbx33> I agree
[10:15] <ogra> yup
[10:15] <mhz> yup
[10:15] <HedgeMage> That's the icing on the cake :)
[10:15] <rodarvus> heh
[10:15] <highvoltage> lol
[10:15] <mhz> and it will be more 'handy' :D
[10:16] <HedgeMage> Anyhow, we have a meeting on Friday, wiki info is at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook
[10:16] <ogra> btw LaserJock was praised in http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1990777,00.asp :)
[10:16] <highvoltage> also on documentation, does anyone know what the best way is, and whether we should, get the edubuntu docs on http://help.ubuntu.com?
[10:16] <HedgeMage> I haven't updated the meeting page yet since this was scheduled literally 5 minutes ago :)
[10:16] <cbx33> highvoltage, I talked with mdke about that a while ago
[10:16] <ogra> highvoltage, all wiki docs are there already
[10:16] <highvoltage> all the other official ubuntu distros docs are there, I think Edubuntu should be there too, since people would ask.
[10:16] <cbx33> you need permissions to create new pages
[10:17] <highvoltage> ogra: it's not listed on the front page: http://help.ubuntu.com
[10:17] <ogra> oh
[10:17] <ogra> but they imported all our pages ... i have a painful slow redirect for nearly every wikipage
[10:17] <cbx33> is anything going to be done about the ssl certificate on the wiki?
[10:17] <ogra> i dont think so
[10:18] <cbx33> grrr
[10:18] <ogra> i could raise it agan ... but paied certs are not the best topic to dicuss with mark somehow :)
[10:18] <highvoltage> yes, I think I'll ping mdke this weekend and ask if he could add an Edubuntu section on the frontpage of help.
[10:18] <mhz> it is not wiki's fault (not moin)
[10:18] <cbx33> ok
[10:18] <cbx33> mhz, I know
[10:18] <cbx33> ogra, ok cool
[10:18] <ogra> mhz, we have bought one afaik, but thats limited to ubuntu.com
[10:18] <cbx33> highvoltage, yes good idea
[10:19] <mhz> grr!
[10:19] <mhz> :)
[10:19] <highvoltage> that's ironic.
[10:19] <cbx33> I'll do the same, as I'm owed a creatoin account on help.ubuntu.com i think :p
[10:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: we would have to ship something to put it in help.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <mhz> but, isn't markie related to Certificates?
[10:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: does it need to be in a certain format?
[10:19] <ogra> Riddell, do you know anything about the certs ? i know you asked about them
[10:19] <peterretief> highvoltage: hi
[10:20] <LaserJock> highvoltage: those docs are created from the doc team svn repo
[10:20] <highvoltage> mhz: it's how he made his money :)
[10:20] <highvoltage> hi peterretief 
[10:20] <mhz> yeah, hence my point
[10:20] <Riddell> ogra: filed an rt request, not heard anything back, feel free to poke harder
[10:20] <ogra> mhz, quote: "i've seen enough certs in my life"
[10:20] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:21] <rodarvus> :)
[10:21] <ogra> Riddell, rt # ?
[10:21] <mhz> lol
[10:21] <Riddell> ogra: no idea, it was ages ago
[10:21] <highvoltage> LaserJock: we could probably get someone from docteam to help us out? there should be some people who are common in edubuntu-doc and ubuntu-doc that I'm sure would assist.
[10:21] <ogra> Riddell, lol, ok
[10:21] <LaserJock> highvoltage: umm, jerome and I are happy to help
[10:21] <cbx33> highvoltage, what about jerome
[10:22] <highvoltage> LaserJock: excellent :)
[10:22] <LaserJock> highvoltage: edubuntu school advocacy is already on doc.ubuntu.com
[10:22] <cbx33> is it ?
[10:22] <cbx33> crikey
[10:22] <LaserJock> highvoltage: mdke made an Edubuntu css
[10:22] <mhz> is it???
[10:22] <ogra> wasnt that renamed ? 
[10:22] <highvoltage> great. so it just needs a link from the home page.
[10:22] <LaserJock> yes, I had them make an Edubuntu section
[10:22] <LaserJock> doc.ubuntu.com
[10:23] <LaserJock> on the right there is an Edubuntu section
[10:23] <highvoltage> doc.ubuntu.com is meant for work in progress, right?
[10:23] <cbx33> I see
[10:23] <LaserJock> yes
[10:23] <LaserJock> doc.ubuntu.com represents our svn repo
[10:23] <highvoltage> ESA is completed, isn't it?
[10:23] <cbx33> is there the possibility of ESA making it onto help.ubuntu.com?
[10:24] <cbx33> or is that not the place for it?
[10:24] <mhz> lovely http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html
[10:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: thinking the same thing here :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com has what has been shipped
[10:24] <ogra> wow, esa is impressive
[10:24] <highvoltage> i think ESA should be on help.ubuntu.com as well.
[10:24] <LaserJock> we have a doc team meeting on Friday
[10:24] <cbx33> we try ogra :p
[10:24] <LaserJock> I can ask
[10:24] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock 
[10:25] <LaserJock> so far we have only put the docs that were shipped on CD on help.ubuntu.com
[10:25] <ogra> highvoltage, it is
[10:25] <Burgwork> I have a half finished case study, using some of the stuff from esa
[10:25] <cbx33> the ESA gets everywhere
[10:25] <highvoltage> ogra: i can't find it
[10:26] <ogra> wow ... your doc work is massively impressive guys :)
[10:26] <ogra> highvoltage, the link mhz pasted
[10:26] <cbx33> yes please
[10:26] <LaserJock> so from the doc team's perspective I think we are ready to go, we just need content
[10:26] <mhz> highvoltage: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html
[10:26] <highvoltage> ogra: that's on doc.ubuntu.com, not on help.ubuntu.com
[10:26] <cbx33> I passed the esa to RichEd to pass onto the canonical marketting dept
[10:26] <mhz> highvoltage: yeah, good point
[10:26] <ogra> highvoltage, aww, now i understand 
[10:26] <ogra> cbx33, good !
[10:26] <RichEd> yep ... got it open .. will review & coment
[10:26] <mhz> please, not redirections this time
[10:27] <mhz> ;)
[10:27] <cbx33> RichEd, if you want my page mockups feel free to take those
[10:27] <RichEd> okay
[10:27] <cbx33> they were a mock of what the pamphlet could look like
[10:27] <cbx33> hang on I'll grab a link
[10:28] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[10:28] <cbx33> ignore everything on the page
[10:28] <cbx33> apart from the 4 images at the bottom
[10:28] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:28] <ogra> heh
[10:28] <RichEd> tx
[10:28] <cbx33> I'll delete it I think
[10:28] <mhz> cbx33: where's the mockup?
[10:28] <cbx33> down the very bottom
[10:29] <mhz> oh, still downloading
[10:29] <mhz> thx
[10:29] <cbx33> sorry
[10:29] <cbx33> that was our wip page
[10:29] <mhz> cbx33: nice mockup idea
[10:29] <cbx33> ESA started like that before any text was written really :p
[10:30] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:30] <LaserJock> anyway, if anybody wants docs to go on doc.ubuntu.com (and eventually help.ubuntu.com) please let the doc team or at least jerome or I know
[10:30] <mhz> cbx33: I am working on one for Chile (with Chilean colors)
[10:30] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok
[10:30] <highvoltage> sounds like doc discussion is quieting down?
[10:30] <ogra> well, then lets move on
[10:31] <ogra> aaaaaaartwork
[10:31] <ogra> whoops
[10:31] <mhz> that KBD!
[10:31] <mhz> ;)
[10:31] <highvoltage> i think you missed an 'a' there
[10:31] <AliasVegas> Hi everyone
[10:31] <ogra> heh, i'm not 100% used to it yet :)
[10:31] <mhz> AliasVegas: hi
[10:31] <highvoltage> hi AliasVegas. just in time :)
[10:31] <ogra> hey AliasVegas nice to see you !
[10:31] <HedgeMage> hi AliasVegas 
[10:31] <AliasVegas> I'm really glad that so many people like the edubuntu wallpaper that I did, and I think it's crucial to build on the success of that in the edgy release.
[10:32] <ogra> yay
[10:32] <mhz> HedgeMage: I can propose something
[10:32] <AliasVegas> Yeah, I'll see what I can do if you want
[10:32] <highvoltage> AliasVegas: I've set you as administrator on the artwork team, sorry, should have done that earlier :)
[10:32] <AliasVegas> What I thought we could do, to make a quick start is just ask for a single line from everyone on what they dislike about the dapper theme (if anything), but to be precise.  Not just, I don't like the chalkboard, but why don't you like the chalkboard, too commercial etc?
[10:33] <ogra> AliasVegas, great idea !
[10:33] <mhz> AliasVegas: yeah
[10:33] <AliasVegas> Then just another single line about what you would like to see in edgy?
[10:33] <HedgeMage> good idea, AliasVegas :)
[10:33] <ogra> yup
[10:33] <highvoltage> AliasVegas: I didn't like the orange hilight in the gtk theme.
[10:33] <AliasVegas> I was going to then work from these to collate a plan on how we should proceed with the new themes and artwork.  I have some initial ideas, but I don't want to develop them if there are elements which are not going to work or be to peoples liking.
[10:33] <cbx33> I'll start noting these down
[10:33] <ogra> highvoltage, by mail :)
[10:33] <cbx33> heheh
[10:33] <AliasVegas> thanks
[10:34] <cbx33> mail would be better
[10:34] <highvoltage> oh yes, of course :)
[10:34] <HedgeMage> Don't like: The green chalkboard thing clashes with our red gtk-theme, lacking theme-coordinating icons for some apps I like
[10:34] <AliasVegas> ok
[10:34] <highvoltage> to edubuntu-devel? or to AliasVegas?
[10:34] <ogra> so could anyone who wants to participate say +1 so i know whom i have to nag ? ;)
[10:34] <ogra> +1
[10:34] <rodarvus> edubuntu-users wouild be best I think
[10:34] <highvoltage> +1
[10:34] <rodarvus> AliasVegas: nice idea, btw
[10:34] <cbx33> um, could we have edubuntu-artwork ?
[10:34] <rodarvus> +1
[10:35] <cbx33> mailing list ?
[10:35] <peterretief> +1
[10:35] <mhz> +1
[10:35] <cbx33> would that be useful?
[10:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: i've thought about it before, I think it's at the stage where it's ready for it
[10:35] <ogra> cbx33, how many people would we have on there ? 
[10:35] <cbx33> anyone with an interest in artwork I'm presuming right AliasVegas ?
[10:35] <rodarvus> not sure if edubuntu-artwork mailinig list would have critical mass
[10:35] <LaserJock> I would think -devel and -users would be sufficent
[10:35] <highvoltage> there are 20 people in launchpad who have volunteered to contribute to artwork
[10:35] <ogra> cbx33, i want a number :)
[10:35] <rodarvus> in other words, would probably become a semi-dead mailing list
[10:35] <highvoltage> they would all be added to the new list
[10:35] <highvoltage> that's already a good start.
[10:36] <AliasVegas> yeah
[10:36] <cbx33> Hmm....
[10:36] <highvoltage> those who do not wish to be part can then be de-activated from the team.
[10:36] <mhz> yeah
[10:36] <highvoltage> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-artwork/+members
[10:36] <cbx33> I just wonder that in order to get the artowrk team off the ground, they should have their own ML?
[10:36] <cbx33> just my 2 cents
[10:36] <mhz> or.. keep using -devel but adding [ART] 
[10:36] <mhz> on subject
[10:36] <mhz> just my 2 cents
[10:37] <mhz> eek, we have 4 cents!
[10:37] <ogra> cbx33, i will need to give an estimated number of initial subscribers ... its not useful to have a list for 10 people ...
[10:37] <highvoltage> i wonder if everyone on the launchapd team would be willing to subscribe to edubuntu-devel, we could probably try and ask them
[10:38] <cbx33> I get so much spam from that channel?
[10:38] <highvoltage> ogra: we already have at least 20 people! :)
[10:38] <highvoltage> cbx33: no you don't
[10:38] <highvoltage> cbx33: you get admin requests ;)
[10:38] <cbx33> i get spam too
[10:38] <mhz> cbx33: BTW, I have no logs regarding pwd for ML admin tasks, could you PM it to me, please?
[10:38] <cbx33> sure
[10:39] <ogra> highvoltage, well, i havent seen much new artwork during dapper, that was more widespread in breezy
[10:39] <ogra> the quality raised immensely though :)
[10:39] <mhz> ogra: AliasVegas is in town now ;)
[10:39] <ogra> yeah ! :)
[10:39] <AliasVegas> I want to setup an edubuntu-artwork meeting, for anyone who has any interest in artwork/themes to come along to, so we can really start to brainstorm and get the process moving.  If anyone has some suggestions about times that would be great ;)
[10:39] <highvoltage> ogra: i think the announcement that canonical would use a paid-for company for artwork killed things a bit, imho :/
[10:40] <ogra> but still ... she will surely need support ...
[10:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, I agree
[10:40] <ogra> highvoltage, yep 
[10:40] <mhz> AliasVegas: i have a couple of suggestions but based on my UTC
[10:40] <ogra> highvoltage, but it was like that before as well ...
[10:40] <mhz> (my TZ)
[10:40] <ogra> just that nobody announced it before :)
[10:40] <cbx33> does this kinda time suit mhz ?
[10:41] <mhz> cbx33: nope
[10:41] <cbx33> 12 UTC?
[10:41] <mhz> 11 UTC
[10:41] <highvoltage> ogra: i beg to differ, if you go to art.ubuntu.com, you'll see quite a few wallpapers that were made for breezy, some of them not too bad
[10:41] <mhz> so I can be before leaving house
[10:41] <mhz> cbx33: or 23 UTC
[10:41] <mhz> :D
[10:41] <ogra> highvoltage, http://art.ubuntu.com/
[10:41] <ogra> its down
[10:41] <cbx33> 23 UTC....
[10:42] <cbx33> AliasVegas, will be in bed then
[10:42] <cbx33> :p
[10:42] <AliasVegas> lol
[10:42] <mhz> highvoltage: yeah, like the darkones I did because I prefer black for kids :D
[10:42] <cbx33> we can discuss times later 
[10:42] <highvoltage> ogra: click on "Edubuntu" on the right. it still works
[10:42] <ogra> oh no its redesigned :P
[10:42] <highvoltage> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/
[10:42] <ogra> yep
[10:42] <AliasVegas> I'm also going to post a notice to the ubuntu-artwork mailing list explaining where we are at this stage and ask for volunteers to help edubuntu in this release.
[10:42] <mhz> cbx33: then , we could rotate ;)
[10:42] <ogra> i know them, i added most of them there 
[10:42] <cbx33> sure mhz 
[10:42] <cbx33> I'm sure AliasVegas would be ok with that
[10:43] <mhz> cbx33: if meetings are weekly, 3 or 4 diff UTCs is good
[10:43] <AliasVegas> 2 sounds good
[10:43] <AliasVegas> like edubuntu
[10:43] <mhz> cbx33: the thing is I am looking for a job now, so most likely is I wont have time for IRC during working hours ;(
[10:43] <AliasVegas> ogra, can I ask, how much are we at liberty to change in this release, just wallpapers/splashes, or icons, theme colours too?  cbx33 was talking to me about the work he was doing on his new ubrander project, and I wondered how much gtk-rc editing had been done in the past?
[10:43] <highvoltage> ogra: all of those wallpapers in art.ubuntu.com came from the breezy release cycle
[10:44] <AliasVegas> fair enough :)
[10:44] <ogra> AliasVegas, i'm sure it must be done in communication with the artteam ...
[10:44] <ogra> so that we have a recognizable ubuntu look for all distros ...
[10:45] <mhz> .oO(hmmm, the *buntu look)
[10:45] <AliasVegas> ok that sounds cool
[10:45] <ogra> a kind of CI
[10:45] <AliasVegas> Not much more to say really, I'm conscious of the time factors involved and have just finished some of my paid freelance work, so I should have some more time to devote to getting the ball rolling here.
[10:45] <ogra> but we'll surely have freedom about colors, icons splash screens gdm login theme bootsplash etc 
[10:45] <AliasVegas> ok :)
[10:46] <ogra> there is only some small gtkrc editing been doneby me 
[10:46] <ogra> mostly adjusting colors 
[10:47] <ogra> (based on a completely different orange wallpaper btw)
[10:47] <AliasVegas> right
[10:47] <mhz> AliasVegas: i am VERY interested in creating 'artwork' for Stands (posters, stuff to hang -no idea about english name for it , stand look, etc) 
[10:47] <cbx33> mhz, cool
[10:48] <mhz> and all related to merchandising
[10:48] <mhz> Edubuntu based, of course
[10:48] <cbx33> I'd need that if BETT2007 went ahead
[10:48] <HedgeMage> that's awesome, mhz 
[10:48] <AliasVegas> Posters sounds like a cool idea
[10:48] <ogra> mhz, ++
[10:48] <mhz> yeah, Teachers loved the idea of having Edubuntu T-Shirts for Labs
[10:48] <cbx33> then getting nicked by the rozzers :p
[10:48] <HedgeMage> hehe cbx33 
[10:49] <mhz> and then I thought about Posters for Edubuntu Labs (with messages for the users)
[10:49] <AliasVegas> I love the idea of t-shirts
[10:49] <ogra> yep
[10:49] <cbx33> mhz, heheh.... "Got root....no...cos if you did you'd break things"
[10:49] <mhz> lol
[10:49] <cbx33> I think I just found my new tagline :p
[10:49] <ogra> but posters at least for booths would be grreat
[10:49] <highvoltage> cbx33: they can have root on the ro local filesystem :)
[10:50] <cbx33> hahaha
[10:50] <cbx33> give them the illusion
[10:50] <ogra> heh
[10:50] <mhz> yeah, we need promo material so people (human beings) know Edubuntu is not just an OS, it is meant for "YOU"
[10:50] <cbx33> awww
[10:50] <ogra> ogra, time is almost up ...
[10:50] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:50] <ogra> err 
[10:50] <cbx33> what about some fluffy Eft soft toys
[10:50] <ogra> i wrote ok ... 
[10:50] <highvoltage> flint said that we have done a good job at keeping edubuntu secret.
[10:50] <ogra> stupid autocompletion
[10:50] <mhz> www.openpuppets.com
[10:51] <highvoltage> so getting edubuntu out there is perhaps something everyone should work on.
[10:51] <ogra> highvoltage, bah, flint said also that k12 doesnt like us :)
[10:51] <cbx33> we need someone to streak a major sporting event wearing nothing but ubuntu logos :p
[10:51] <cbx33> get us on the TV
[10:51] <highvoltage> ogra: point taken :)
[10:51] <RichEd> i'm willing to take marketing suggestions forward : richard.edubuntu@gmail.com
[10:51] <cbx33> highvoltage, I totally agree....hence my initial creation of ESA
[10:51] <mhz> and a couple of magazines too
[10:51] <ogra> right
[10:52] <ogra> next topic management :)
[10:52] <ogra> since you are already at promotion
[10:52] <RichEd> especially those that take it out of the "hobbyist" space into mainstream
[10:53] <RichEd> well perhaps an intro from me ?
[10:53] <LaserJock> that would be nice :-)
[10:53] <ogra> if you like :)
[10:53] <highvoltage> RichEd: sounds like no one is objecting ;)
[10:53] <RichEd> Mark has just appointed me as "Education Programme Manager" last week ... to be client & relationship facing
[10:53] <ogra> i also have something ... for the management side later
[10:54] <HedgeMage> RichEd: welcome :)
[10:54] <RichEd> The way I see it is that you guys are building a great eductional vehicle ... 
[10:54] <cbx33> :)
[10:54] <mhz> RichEd: oh, you are the one!!
[10:54] <highvoltage> RichEd: yes, welcome again
[10:54] <RichEd> and my job is to get as many people adopting it a possible.
[10:54] <RichEd> I've been in the Education space with HP for 3 years
[10:54] <RichEd> Schools, education departments etc.
[10:54] <cbx33> give me an external scsi hdd and I'll have an ltsp server running at the school :p
[10:55] <RichEd> And seen lots of the "soft factors" that hamper adoption
[10:55] <RichEd> "we don't have budget to train in MS and Linux"
[10:55] <mhz> hehehe
[10:55] <LaserJock> Universities!!
[10:55] <RichEd> "we don't have enough tech support"
[10:55] <highvoltage> RichEd: this would be internationally, right?
[10:56] <RichEd> so we need to build a compelling case for "overcoming the human hurdles"
[10:56] <RichEd> yep ... international ...
[10:56] <RichEd> So I am here to help ... not interfere ;)
[10:57] <mhz> RichEd: thx, then I have lots of stuff tu bug you with
[10:57] <ogra> RichEd, we'll gain some ground in germany soon it seems ... :)
[10:57] <LaserJock> awesome, thanks. I should be fun
[10:57] <RichEd> And will try to take ideas from the community ..., as well as requests from "the clients"
[10:57] <LaserJock> s/I/It/ shesh
[10:57] <RichEd> And put them in front of the people who can make it happen.
[10:57] <ogra> i had another call from the guy that is affiliated with the minisrty of education and arts of bayern ...
[10:57] <highvoltage> we're going to cover *lots* of ground in .za from Inkululeku
[10:57] <RichEd> ogra: great
[10:58] <highvoltage> it's probably no 'edubuntu' stricktly, because we currently use Xfce
[10:58] <ogra> looks like he has arranged stuff like TV interviews etc
[10:58] <mhz> highvoltage: me too! :D
[10:58] <ogra> in september ... 
[10:58] <highvoltage> but we're going to sign up as official ubuntu partner, so i guess it would count as official.
[10:58] <ogra> we'll need to talk since he wants me to represent 
[10:58] <RichEd> brb 15 secs
[10:58] <cbx33> highvoltage, what does that entail?>
[10:58] <cbx33> the partner thing?
[10:58] <mhz> RichEd: well, we have a very agressive insertion plan this year for Chile, so I'd  better sum it up and email it to you
[10:59] <RichEd> mhz: please yes
[10:59] <highvoltage> cbx33: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/become
[10:59] <RichEd> jsgotangco also has some exciting stuff happenng in Philipines
[10:59] <cbx33> RichEd, is there the possibility of coming up with a "pack" to send to educational iministers etc
[10:59] <RichEd> (apart from an active volcano close to his house spewing lava)
[10:59] <cbx33> about edubuntu>
[10:59] <mhz> lol
[11:00] <RichEd> cbx33: Mark has asked me to get "a directed education message" set up ...
[11:00] <RichEd> web site & pdf
[11:00] <RichEd> for exactly that purpose
[11:00] <cbx33> cool
[11:00] <cbx33> esa could be useful there Lp
[11:00] <cbx33> :p
[11:01] <RichEd> We also have a reporter in India who is pushing for Ubuntu / 6Eubuntu as a C development teaching platform in 60 schools
[11:01] <ogra> nice !
[11:01] <RichEd> With a route into showing the local govt. how to do it ... and avoid the MS win & sql licence fees
[11:02] <mhz> yeah, this is the Year of Edubuntu
[11:02] <cbx33> RichEd, yeh see this is what we nned
[11:02] <cbx33> mhz, I agree
[11:02] <RichEd> And he has a Post Grad student in Florida who is a sidebar assistant
[11:02] <RichEd> So lots of opportunity to mine.
[11:03] <ogra> sounds very cool 
[11:03] <cbx33> RichEd, that pack would be useful :p
[11:03] <mhz> cbx33: ESA has lots of the arguments we'd need
[11:03] <cbx33> yes
[11:03] <RichEd> Note also that I hope to use my relationship with HP Education Country managers (Europe & ZA & Africa) to try to push Edubuntu
[11:03] <cbx33> excellent
[11:04] <cbx33> RichEd, how viable do you think BETT2007 is?
[11:04] <RichEd> (in their solution deals) as well as for Student OEM offerings
[11:04] <highvoltage> RichEd: would be nice if you could round them all up again ;)
[11:04] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Any notes/news about the US?
[11:04] <RichEd> As I said earlier cbx33 : we have some routes of least resistance ... like india etc. so not sure if the "money people" will be keen on "ad spend" 
[11:04] <RichEd> Versus applied project spend
[11:05] <mhz> RichEd: in Chile and other countries we're getting together to form the Institute of Free Software for Latinamerica. Edubuntu is the king in such realms
[11:05] <cbx33> if we're going to shower the auths with details they must see us ..... in the field like everyone else
[11:05] <cbx33> RichEd, I understand
[11:05] <cbx33> on a side note, did that spreadsheet seem ok?
[11:05] <RichEd> But will table all suggestions when I have to present a plan to Mark in week 1 Aug in London
[11:06] <RichEd> I'll try to cover all bases in suggestions ... but he will probably direct resource & money priorities
[11:06] <cbx33> sure
[11:06] <RichEd> cbx33: looks good on first pass ... will revise & comment
[11:06] <cbx33> ok cool
[11:07] <RichEd> cbx33 and I will set up a template for "conference funding requests" so the foramt is consistent when we ask for $
[11:07] <cbx33> yes
[11:07] <RichEd> that's all from me for now.
[11:07] <highvoltage> ogra
[11:07] <cbx33> we at time up aren't we?
[11:08] <highvoltage> ogra said he had something to say
[11:08] <RichEd> mhz: please send details re South America :)
[11:08] <AliasVegas> remember everyone... email me you artwork comments! :)
[11:08] <ogra> highvoltage, i already did
[11:08] <highvoltage> oh ok :)
[11:08] <ogra> highvoltage, we'll probably get in german TV
[11:08] <highvoltage> aah
[11:08] <mhz> sure, RichEd. In fact, I sent about 5 emails to Mark telling what is going on, and that we needed help...no response.
[11:09] <ogra> with some additional advantage of a bunch of schools in byern switching to edubuntu :)
[11:09] <ogra> *bayern
[11:09] <mhz> RichEd: politically it is the time for being agressive in LAm, so is the time for market
[11:09] <RichEd> mhz: i think i'm supposed to help him with this ... filter & digest & consolidate ... preserve bandwidth
[11:09] <RichEd> and i wil respond :)
[11:09] <mhz> RichEd: sure, I undersand
[11:09] <RichEd> will <- will
[11:10] <mhz> RichEd: and I will pke if not :D
[11:10] <mhz> poke
[11:10] <mhz> hehehe
[11:10] <HedgeMage> lol
[11:10] <ogra> heh
[11:10] <highvoltage> RichEd: i just set up a filter for mhz 
[11:10] <cbx33> mhz, use a tazer :p
[11:10] <mhz> lol
[11:11] <mhz> not yet, let's see him in action firts
[11:11] <HedgeMage> cbx33: that's just evil... I like it ;)
[11:11] <mhz> cbx33: remember he may fight back ;)
[11:11] <HedgeMage> RichEd: lol freudian slip?
[11:11] <ogra> heh
[11:11] <RichEd> nope .. that one was quite intentional ;)
[11:11] <cbx33> hadn't thought of that
[11:11] <mhz> cbx33: but I can throw him a WinXP CD and license
[11:11] <mhz> ;)
[11:11] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: so go to sleep :P
[11:11] <ogra> highvoltage, thast the danger if you sit in bed while meeting :)
[11:12] <RichEd> is your "laptop" calling highvoltage ?
[11:12] <ogra> hahaha
[11:12] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm actually lying, probably more dangerous :)
[11:12] <cbx33> ooooh 
[11:12] <cbx33> lying.....
[11:12] <RichEd> remember some virus protection please
[11:12] <ogra> i think we're also 12 mins over time ....
[11:13] <ogra> so we should probably close here and move over to ur own room :)
[11:13] <ogra> LaserJock, tell us :)
[11:13] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hey! i've seen you in bed with your wife's laptop too!
[11:13] <ogra> haha
[11:13] <LaserJock> shush
[11:13] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:14] <ogra> ok, any other stuff ? 
[11:14] <ogra> going once
[11:14] <AliasVegas> remember everyone... email me you artwork comments! :)
[11:14] <highvoltage> this has been a nice buzzy meeting
[11:14] <ogra> going twice
[11:14] <ogra> AliasVegas, i'll nag them ;)
[11:14] <cbx33> test grasynco
[11:14] <mhz> AliasVegas: yeah, but URL?
[11:14] <ogra> yeah, test the milestone CDs !
[11:15] <highvoltage> mhz: that's comments of previous releae
[11:15] <ogra> report BUGS !!
[11:15] <ogra> meeting ....
[11:15] <highvoltage> may the force be with you.
[11:15] <ogra> .... adjourned 
[11:15] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:15] <ogra> thanks everyone !
[11:15] <cbx33> phew
[11:15] <ogra> :)
[11:15] <mhz> THX all!
[11:15] <RichEd> thanks all ... nice to meet you and great to be on board
[11:15] <ogra> lol
[11:15] <AliasVegas> :)
[11:15] <ogra> cbx33, we had worse ones :)
[11:16] <cbx33> hehe
[11:16] <ogra> actually i found that one very productive :)
[11:16] <ogra> in all areas ...
[11:16] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:21] <AliasVegas> night guys!  :)
[11:22] <teolemon> good night