[12:09] <imbrandon> grr how can i tell wth is using a mount so i can kill -9 it and umount
[12:09] <imbrandon> fuser or some such
[12:11] <StevenK> fuser -m /mnt
[12:12] <StevenK> If that doesn't work, wield lsof
[12:13] <imbrandon> losf
[12:13] <imbrandon> yea fuser -m nothing
[12:13] <micahcowan> lsof
[12:13] <micahcowan> = list open files
[12:15] <imbrandon> thanks
[12:28] <Fujitsu> Hmm... My apt-watch build failed on the ia64 buildd due to dependencies.
[12:29] <Fujitsu>   libpanel-applet2-dev: Depends: libpanel-applet2-0 (= 2.14.2-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:29] <Fujitsu>                         Depends: libgnomeui-dev (>= 2.10.0-1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: try installing those other two packages?
[12:31] <Fujitsu> I don't have control over any ia64 machines, so no.
[12:33] <Fujitsu> What about it?
[12:33] <slomo> Fujitsu: should be fixed by a give-back on ia64... afaik all gnome packages should be fine on ia64 now
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Ah. Thanks... Will it be automatically rebuilt?
[12:35] <Fujitsu> I haven't had cause to merge packages before 24 hours ago, so I don't know those packages.
[12:35] <Fujitsu> *those processes
[12:35] <slomo> not automatically unless it is on dep-wait
[12:40] <Fujitsu> slomo, how can I force it to?
[12:42] <slomo> Fujitsu: ask someone from the buildd admins to do it... https://launchpad.net/people/launchpad-buildd-admins
[01:36] <philipacamaniac> I'm trying to manually build a binary debian package (no source). The program (ghamachi) installs and works great, except that I can't get a menu item added for the life of me. In the debian chroot, I've added a ./usr/share/applications/ghamachi.desktop and a ./usr/share/menu/ghamachi, but it doesn't show up in the menu.
[01:36] <crimsun> what do you mean in the debian chroot?
[01:37] <philipacamaniac> er, umm... you know, you're making a binary package, and you put everything in {packagename-packageversion} folder
[01:38] <philipacamaniac> I'm not familiar with terminology, but that's where I build my package from
[01:38] <crimsun> chroot has special significance, which is why I was confused
[01:39] <philipacamaniac> sorry, my mistake... should I clarify more?
[01:39] <crimsun> are the desktop and menu files in debian/  in the extracted source package?
[01:40] <philipacamaniac> ah - see that's the problem. this particular app has no source, so I'm trying to manually build a binary package. I know that's a no-no, but I want to do it anyway.
[01:40] <philipacamaniac> so there is no extracted source package
[01:42] <crimsun> ok. Are you rerolling the deb with the desktop and menu files in place, then?
[01:42] <crimsun> And I presume the desktop file is actually valid?
[01:43] <crimsun> (use desktop-file-validate from the 'desktop-file-utils' package)
[01:45] <Toadstool> grah... it's 2am and I can't sleep...
[01:46] <crimsun> quick, merges
[01:46] <Toadstool> :)
[01:46] <crimsun> ;-)
[01:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:50] <Hobbsee> zul: thought that was my job :P
[01:51] <zul> thats for kubuntu isnt it?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> zul: could be for any of them
[01:52] <zul> fine then..*put*
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:52] <Hobbsee> zul: go ahead and be the whip cracker today :P
[01:52] <zul> meh...i think ill crack the whip on myself :P
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:06] <FunnyLookinHat> Is there a reason that we can't use pre-built binaries in creating packages?
[02:07] <crimsun> FunnyLookinHat: yes. It has to build from source to be in universe.
[02:10] <micahcowan> What about bootstrapped packages, like gcc? gcc is obviously core, but other things, such as FreeBASIC...
[02:10] <crimsun> admins by-hand.
[02:11] <micahcowan> I'm not grokking that sentence.
[02:11] <crimsun> If something needs to be bootstrapped, the admins by-hand it (do it manually).
[02:13] <micahcowan> So, the source package is created as normal, and the creation of the binaries is handled manually?
[02:14] <crimsun> installation
[02:14] <crimsun> for instance, gcl
[02:15] <crimsun> need a newer gcl, so it's built as normal and installed in the chroot by the admins
[02:17] <micahcowan> But isn't gcl written in C?
[02:17] <crimsun> if something requires a newer gcl
[02:17] <crimsun> it's the same process for anything that needs a manual bootstrap
[02:18] <segfault> did the upload process change?
[02:18] <micahcowan> But for something like FreeBASIC, where it's written in... itself... it can't be built at all without FreeBASIC in the first place.
[02:18] <segfault> i've sent a package using dput, but it didn't show up in revu
[02:18] <crimsun> micahcowan: just like gcc can't be compiled without itself
[02:19] <crimsun> micahcowan: so you use an existing version, which can be built from source, which is hand-installed by an admin
[02:19] <Hobbsee> segfault: are you in the group listed in the last link of the /topic?
[02:19] <crimsun> micahcowan: gcc follows a slightly different path, but the idea is that the admin is trusted enough to deal with the binaries
[02:20] <segfault> crimsun: yes
[02:20] <crimsun> segfault: ?
[02:20] <micahcowan> crimsun: I think I'm understanding now... so the admins install the precompiled binaries in the places where they would be expected to be if they'd actually been installed from a package, and then build the packages as normal?
[02:20] <segfault> hobbsee: yes
[02:20] <segfault> oops
[02:20] <segfault> sorry
[02:20] <crimsun> micahcowan: yep
[02:20] <micahcowan> crimsun, gotcha: thanks a bunch.
[02:21] <crimsun> np
[02:21] <Hobbsee> crimsun: how does one write a hooks script for pbuilder?
[02:21] <Fujitsu> crimsun (or another MOTU), I've got two new merges on http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/merges
[02:22] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ^^
[02:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:22] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: with your favourite text editor? :)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: yeah, but what sort of thing is it?  like, bash scripting or something?
[02:23] <Toadstool> mine are bash scripts
[02:23] <crimsun> sh or perl for starters
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: ie, i want it to sudo pbuilder login, cp from the resulting dir to wherever it's now building, dpkg -i *.deb, and apt-get -f install.
[02:23] <crimsun> otherwise you need to set up the env yourself
[02:23] <crimsun> documented in pbuilder(8) ;-)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: what scripts are you using?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> er, hooks?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, i'm reading it now
[02:24] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: a script launching lintian -i on the .changes files if the build is successful and a login script if the build fails
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: nice!  so you never test if it's installable?
[02:25] <Toadstool> yes, of course but i don't do that with pbuilder hooks for the moment
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ah, you could test if it was installable or not by sudo pbuilder exectute, i suspect
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: ah okay.  may i have your other spiffy script?
[02:26] <Toadstool> yep, of course
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: to hobbsee@kubuntu.org ?
[02:26] <Toadstool> ok
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: i already get spammed - gmail filters most of it.
[02:30] <segfault> no clue about revu?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> segfault: only that your key isnt synced with the keyring yet
[02:31] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: mail sent
[02:31] <crimsun> segfault: the keyrings are still synced by hand
[02:31] <segfault> humm
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: cool :)
[02:31] <segfault> and how do i sync it?
[02:31] <crimsun> segfault: it'll be a little bit before an admin proccesses it.
[02:31] <segfault> ah, thanks.
[02:31] <crimsun> processes.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: got it, thanks
[02:34] <Toadstool> np
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: maybe i'm an idiot today, but what about all the other stuff in .pbuilderrc?
[02:39] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: always executed
[02:42] <Toadstool> well, I don't understand what you don't understand :)
[02:42] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:42] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[02:42] <crimsun> 'lo
[02:42] <ajmitch> crimsun: need me to resync the revu keyring?
[02:42] <Toadstool> heya ajmitch
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: i've already got http://rafb.net/paste/results/VJjsRg10.html in pbuilderrc (well, it's more complicated, because there are two, and in a complex location)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> oh hmm...i know...
[02:43] <crimsun> ajmitch: for segfault, I believe
[02:44] <ajmitch> right, it's syncing now
[02:44] <crimsun> segfault: ^^
[02:44] <ajmitch> segfault: what was the package uploaded?
[02:46] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: you don't really need what's in my pbuilderrc, it's just random pieces of shell script to have cleaner results imho
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: ah okay...so it can be safely ignored?
[02:46] <Toadstool> yep
[02:48] <ajmitch> segfault: never mind, I found it, it'll hopefully be on REVU in a couple of minutes
[03:06] <segfault> ajmitch: thanks
[03:21] <ajmitch> segfault: what's the purpose of this update? the only change I see is changing the standards version?
[03:22] <segfault> ajmitch: updating to edgy too, and its 0.1b and dappers version is older
[03:23] <LaserJock> ack, is there a way to wget all the files in a directory via http?
[03:23] <ajmitch> so the one on REVU didn't make it into dapper?
[03:23] <Lathiat> --mirror --no-parent
[03:24] <segfault> ajmitch: it did, but i uploaded a new version
[03:24] <ajmitch> ok
[03:26] <segfault> can anyone review it?
[03:33] <segfault> i have a package which upstream just opened its svn, what do i need to change in my package?
[04:12] <FunnyLookinHat> I don't see the purpose of using a pbuilder...   if I am creating a package with debhelper how do I invoke using pbuilder (and for what reason)?
[04:13] <sharms> FunnyLookinHat: I make a source package (dpkg-buildpackage -S -us -uc -rfakeroot) then do a sudo pbuilder build package.dsc
[04:14] <sharms> FunnyLookinHat: it allows me to keep my system clean from packages I don't need, and contain the build process in a seperate, and clean environment
[04:15] <LaserJock> it lets you know if your deps are right too becuse it is basically the same set of packages that the build machines have
[04:16] <LaserJock> so if it builds in a pbuilder it *should* build on the Ubuntu machines
[04:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Ahhh ok.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: should.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:23] <FunnyLookinHat> Why (in this tutorial) is it having me grab the source for hello-debhelper...  that makes no sense because why would I get the source from a repo if it isn't there yet.
[04:23] <LaserJock> well, it depends on if you pbuiler is updated, etc.
[04:23] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: because I thought it would be nice to have a real life example
[04:23] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it's great, having a real life example
[04:23] <sharms> FunnyLookinHat: I made my build system upgrade to edgy
[04:24] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: the updating a package stuff is confusing.
[04:24] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:24] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm...  so I am going to just be comparing it to what I create....
[04:24] <FunnyLookinHat> Got it.  i think.   ; )
[04:24] <LaserJock> sort of, I could have done it a bit better I think, but it was my first try ;-)
[04:25] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I'll be digging around for contributions soon ;-)
[04:25] <FunnyLookinHat> LaserJock, you did fine, i'm just way too tired to be trying this but it's the first free time I've found  : )
[04:26] <sharms> FunnyLookinHat: did you check out the mentors program?
[04:26] <sharms> Having a mentor is helping me tremendously
[04:26] <sharms> not in spelling, but packaging
[04:26] <FunnyLookinHat> sharms, I saw a post about it...   I should probably look into it, shouldn't I?
[04:26] <FunnyLookinHat> haha
[04:27] <LaserJock> well, I'm hoping we will have a MOTU School session soon for you guys
[04:27] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: heh.  thought you might be.  i do actually have an old log that's pretty helpful with that
[04:27] <FunnyLookinHat> What is the purpose of the .ex files (since they appear to only be used in complicated package builds)
[04:28] <LaserJock> they are example files (hence .ex)
[04:28] <LaserJock> you remove the .ex if you are actually going to use them
[04:28] <FunnyLookinHat> Ooh i see.
[04:31] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: the new and improved outline is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide
[04:32] <LaserJock> ack, I seemed to have lost Kubuntu! :(
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ouch.
[04:34] <LaserJock> actually, I think my plan was to drop it as a section
[04:34] <LaserJock> but to integrate it throughout, where appropriate
[04:34] <LaserJock> because I didn't have a lot of material and it seem kinda out of place
[04:35] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: if you can come up with some Kubuntu specific packaging tips/things people need to know, that's be appreciated
[04:35] <LaserJock> although I don't have anything Gnome specific so ...
[04:35] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: okay.  a lot of us are getting bitten by the autoconf bug.
[04:36] <sharms> what is the autoconf bug
[04:38] <FunnyLookinHat> How exactly do I use gnupg to setup my key (never set one up before... oh dear)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> !gpg > FunnyLookinHat
[04:39] <Hobbsee> sharms: kde whinges about autoconf being too new
[04:39] <FunnyLookinHat> ty!
[04:39] <sharms> FunnyLookinHat: I recommend using seahorse
[04:40] <FunnyLookinHat> !seahorse
[04:40] <ubotu> I know nothing about seahorse - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:40] <FunnyLookinHat> seahorse?
[04:41] <sharms> if I want to make a package for ogre, and debian only has an old version, can I just package the new one for ubuntu or do I need to request them to upgrade it?
[04:41] <sharms> FunnyLookinHat: GUI key manager, apt-get install seahorse
[04:42] <FunnyLookinHat> sharms, ahh ok
[04:44] <LaserJock> "First of all I'd like to thank..."
[04:45] <LaserJock> everybody!
[04:45] <Hobbsee> sharms: you can use the old debian, and upgrade it yourself
[04:45] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: :_
[04:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:45] <sharms> Hobbsee: Yeah I just didnt know if it was faux pa to jump ahead of debian
[04:45] <LaserJock> sharms: I'd ask debian if they plan to update soon
[04:46] <Hobbsee> sharms: nah, it's not a problem. of course, fi you get the version into debian as well,that's even better :P
[04:46] <LaserJock> could be they are about ready too or have a good reason not to
[04:46] <FunnyLookinHat> May I paste 4 lines of output?  GPG related error with debuild -S
[04:46] <FunnyLookinHat> or should I pastbin them
[04:47] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: yeah, it's quiet enough
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat> gpg: skipped "David Overcash <funnylookinhat@gmail.com>": secret key not available
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat> debuild: fatal error at line 791:
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat> running debsign failed
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat> That's the error I am getting  : (
[04:47] <sharms> did you create a key with a pass phrase etc?
[04:48] <FunnyLookinHat> yea, but my key had a comment (which this does not), is that the difference?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: why are you signing with debuild at all?  odd.  use -kyourkeyidhere to get rid of that message
[04:48] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm just following LaserJock's tutorial!
[04:49] <LaserJock> debuild -S -k<keyid>
[04:49] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: ah right, i thought they were using dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -kyourkeyidhere
[04:49] <jsgotangco> ask the master of packaging monsieur LaserJock
[04:49] <LaserJock> ugggg
[04:50] <LaserJock> I'm going to have to really learn how to package if this continues ;-)
[04:50] <sharms> hehe
[04:50] <FunnyLookinHat> ahh got it
[04:50] <FunnyLookinHat> w00t
[04:50] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hah.  surely you can package already
[04:50] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: the reason I didn't use -k was because I've never had a problem
[04:51] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ahh...you specified your keyid in ~/.bashrc or something?
[04:51] <LaserJock> nope
[04:51] <FunnyLookinHat> What LaserJock means to say is that he is not uber-noober like me.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> how weird
[04:51] <LaserJock> I have DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL set in .bashrc
[04:51] <LaserJock> that's it
[04:52] <Hobbsee> odd.
[04:52] <LaserJock> I only use -k when I need to sponsor an upload
[04:52] <Hobbsee> be back tomorrow.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> interesting
[04:52] <Hobbsee> well, yeah
[04:55] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm ok, I'm not following this CDBS page very much...   do i have to do anything with it or can I be done at sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[04:56] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: you likely dont.  you're creating the package from scrathc?
[04:56] <FunnyLookinHat> Hobbsee, yea...    but I just ran that command and I don't see any .deb files  : )
[04:56] <FunnyLookinHat> !!!!
[04:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:56] <FunnyLookinHat> lol ubotu you rox0r
[04:56] <FunnyLookinHat> : P
[04:57] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: you ran pbuilder?
[04:57] <FunnyLookinHat> Yup.
[04:57] <FunnyLookinHat> sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[04:57] <LaserJock> then it should be in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[04:57] <FunnyLookinHat> oh looky there!
[04:57] <FunnyLookinHat> I made a debian package!!
[04:58] <FunnyLookinHat> flippin hello world rox0rs my world.
[04:58] <FunnyLookinHat> And so if I were to submit this to REVU i would upload  the .dsc .changes .deb and .tar.gz right?
[04:58] <sharms> hehe I didn't change my DEBFULLNAME or DEBEMAIL, and my system user name was "tv's patrick duffy"
[04:59] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: no
[04:59] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: we only want the source package
[04:59] <LaserJock> so you would dput revu *_source.changes
[04:59] <LaserJock> note the "source" part
[05:00] <FunnyLookinHat> I don't upload the package itself?
[05:01] <LaserJock> the .deb? no
[05:01] <sharms> FunnyLookinHat: I believe they have scripts that build them
[05:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh ok.
[05:01] <LaserJock> we have pbuilder :-)
[05:02] <FunnyLookinHat> ok... so i guess I should try to build this mythtv thing now that I have the basics down, heh
[05:02] <sharms> when I pbuild I keep getting: dpkg-parsechangelog: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234)
[05:02] <sharms> should I worry about that?
[05:02] <LaserJock> nope
[05:08] <FunnyLookinHat> So, I have checked out all this sourcecode via svn...
[05:09] <FunnyLookinHat> should my dh_make line still be "dh_make -e funnylookinhat@gmail.com -f ../mythtv-0.19.tar.gz" even though no .tar.gz exists?
[05:11] <bluefoxicy> looks like lwn won't be running my article this week... Forrest hasn't gotten back to me yet, and I know it needs massive editing.  I was hoping he'd give me a list of issues and I could just grind a fresh one out in an hour
[05:11] <bluefoxicy> (I'm very good at post-editing my own articles)
[05:13] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: well, it's not going to work very well if you give it a non-existent file :-)
[05:14] <FunnyLookinHat> LaserJock, Right... but should I just remove the whole -f .tar.gz part of the line then?
[05:14] <LaserJock> why don't you have a .tar.gz?
[05:15] <FunnyLookinHat> because I got the source from svn
[05:15] <FunnyLookinHat> heh
[05:15] <FunnyLookinHat> and even tho I am running from the directory with the source it's telling me that I should go to the directory with the source
[05:16] <LaserJock> you should make a .orig.tar.gz anyway
[05:16] <LaserJock> even if it's from svn
[05:16] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm...
[05:17] <LaserJock> it's called tar, dude ;-)
[05:18] <FunnyLookinHat> right, but I forgot the parameters
[05:18] <FunnyLookinHat> -pczf  : )
[05:19] <LaserJock> -czf probably
[05:21] <FunnyLookinHat> ooh this was a bad idea for a first package, hahaha
[05:22] <LaserJock> !gpg > quidam-
[05:29] <FunnyLookinHat> running sudo pbuilder build ......    crossing fingers....
[05:30] <FunnyLookinHat> dangit
[05:30] <FunnyLookinHat> FTBFS
[05:30] <LaserJock> lol
[05:30] <LaserJock> the plight of a packager
[05:30] <FunnyLookinHat> what the crap kind of error is this: "Unknown option "--host=i486-linux-gnu"."
[05:30] <FunnyLookinHat> LOL
[05:31] <FunnyLookinHat> I bet if I just removed that from the line it would work, lol
[05:34] <FunnyLookinHat> WOW, you know I should give up when "grep -R host=i486-linux-gnu *" returns nothing, LOL
[05:35] <LaserJock> it's probably being substituted
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> right, this line
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> grep -R i486 * configure:x86_cpus="i386,i486,i586,i686,pentium,pentiumpro,${x86_mmx_cpus}"
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> configure:   elif test x"$cpu_raw" = x"i486"; then
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> configure:       ARCHFLAGS="-march=i486"
[05:36] <FunnyLookinHat> so....  the plan would be to.....   just set it to i386 on my lonesome
[05:51] <LaserJock> did anybody have to do something to get their gpg key to work?
[05:51] <LaserJock> like for --clearsign and --decrypt?
[05:53] <Fujitsu> Always worked fine for me... Did you import it?
[05:54] <LaserJock> import your own key?
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Well, get the key to work in what?
[05:55] <LaserJock> command line
[05:55] <LaserJock> just to sign things
[05:55] <LaserJock> etc/
[05:55] <LaserJock> etc.
[05:56] <FunnyLookinHat> I just have to add -k<key> to my lines
[05:56] <Fujitsu> I don't have to do anything special.
[06:18] <FunnyLookinHat> LaserJock, I just tried setting up a dev environment on my main desktop box and I didn't need the -k<key> option....  go figure
[06:19] <LaserJock> weird
[06:20] <FunnyLookinHat> and I'm getting that same FTBFS error on this different box...  which sucks   : )
[06:26] <LaserJock> ok, time for me to go away
[06:26] <LaserJock> 12 straight hrs today :/
[06:26] <LaserJock> I need to do some real work one of these days
[07:10] <Toadstool> 'morning
[07:59] <zakame> hi all
[08:00] <Toadstool> hey zakame
[08:01] <zakame> heya Toadstool
[08:16] <Fujitsu> How odd.
[08:16] <Fujitsu> gnome-sudoku's versioning is stuffed.
[08:16] <Fujitsu> 0.4.0-2ubuntu3 is in fact based on 0.4.0-1
[08:19] <Toadstool> hmm... indeed :)
[08:19] <Fujitsu> Where can I obtain 0.4.0-1? None of the Debian archives seem to have it?
[08:19] <crimsun> snapshot.debian.net/gnome-sudoku
[08:19] <Fujitsu> AH.
[08:19] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[08:20] <Fujitsu> :O
[08:20] <Fujitsu> dholbach did it...
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> That looks like a better diff now. No lowering of compat versions...
[08:51] <dholbach> good morning - HAPPY HUGDAY to everybody!
[08:51] <Fujitsu> Hey dholbach!
[08:51] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu
[08:52] <Fujitsu> You made a mistake in gnome-sudoku when you made 0.4.0-2ubuntu1.
[08:52] <dholbach> yeah?
[08:52] <Fujitsu> It should have been 0.4.0-1ubuntu1 :P
[08:52] <dholbach> oh yeah
[08:52] <dholbach> 10 people told me already
[08:52] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:53] <dholbach> :-)
[08:53] <Toadstool> :)
[08:53] <Fujitsu> Well, 0.5.0-1ubuntu1 is almost done...
[08:57] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: ubuntu1? I requested a sync... the only thing that may be merged is the .desktop stuff but when I read seb128's mail on -devel about that kind of merges, I decided to send a patch upstream (which is now included in their svn by the way)
[08:57] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[08:57] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:57] <Fujitsu> OK. When did you request the sync?
[08:58] <Toadstool> yesterday :)
[08:58] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[08:58] <Fujitsu> I checked this morning and there were no bugs on it.
[08:58] <Fujitsu> How many hours ago is your yesterday?
[08:59] <Toadstool> bug 53361
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53361 in gnome-sudoku "Please sync gnome-sudoku (universe) from Debian unstable" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53361
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[09:00] <Fujitsu> 12 hours ago.
[09:01] <Toadstool> yep
[09:02] <Fujitsu> Wouldn't it be nice if MoM were integrated with Launchpad, thus eliminating this sort of stuff?
[09:02] <Fujitsu> It doesn't update very often...
[09:02] <Fujitsu> And until they're actually synced it's a little misleading >_<
[09:03] <Toadstool> :)
[09:04] <Fujitsu> Can somebody please deal with two merges and a sync I've got?
[09:04] <Toadstool> I can take a look at the merges
[09:05] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/merges/
[09:05] <Fujitsu> Just the two `Outstanding' ones, obviously.
[09:13] <siretart> uuh, I hope FunnyLookinHat won't be scared if he checks his inbox and finds a lot of homework :)
[09:14] <siretart> hey lucas. I see you passed FD as well (some time ago)? congrats!
[09:14] <lucas> :-)
[09:14] <lucas> thank you
[09:15] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: pdebuilding drivel
[09:16] <Fujitsu> Thanks, Toadstool.
[09:16] <Fujitsu> FD?
[09:16] <Toadstool> Front Desk?
[09:16] <lucas> yes
[09:16] <Fujitsu> What do you mean?
[09:17] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: Debian Front Desk, lucas is about to become a Debian Dev ;)
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[09:17] <lucas> Fujitsu: that's a step of the debian new maintainer process
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Nice!
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Congratulations, lucas!
[09:17] <lucas> :)
[09:17] <lucas> well, "about" might not be true
[09:17] <lucas> I still have to wait for DAM approval
[09:18] <Toadstool> :)
[09:19] <Fujitsu> It's sort of... gone white and numb.
[09:24] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: ok, drivel uploaded
[09:24] <Fujitsu> Thanks,
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Evening, Gloubiboulga.
[09:29] <Gloubiboulga> morning Fujitsu ;)
[09:32] <Fujitsu> Aha. That's better.
[09:32] <Fujitsu> Finally, a use for an infinite while-loop. Generating heat from the laptop to warm up fingers :P
[09:33] <Toadstool> heh
[09:33] <Gloubiboulga> you can also use gentoo ;)
[09:33] <Fujitsu> I was going to compile a kernel or something, but they're large, and my download limit is small.
[09:33] <crimsun> using pbuilder unceasingly works, too.
[09:34] <crimsun> incessantly if you prefer.
[09:34] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: pdebuilding/testing exim
[09:34] <Fujitsu> Good, good.
[09:34] <Fujitsu> I tested it, but best to be safe :)
[09:35] <Toadstool> yep :)
[09:35] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool, already working, that's great :)
[09:35] <Toadstool> heh :)
[09:40] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: exim uploaded
[09:40] <Toadstool> thanks for the merges :)
[09:41] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[09:41] <Toadstool> ok, back to bugs :)
[09:42] <Fujitsu> Could somebody also approve a sync request?
[09:42] <Toadstool> you already filed the sync request?
[09:44] <Fujitsu> Toadstool, yep.
[09:44] <Toadstool> which bug, then? :)
[09:44] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/syncs/
[09:44] <Fujitsu> Ah..
[09:44] <Fujitsu> 53406.
[09:45] <Toadstool> let me see
[10:07] <Fujitsu> Had a look yet?
[10:07] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[10:07] <Fujitsu> I see.
[10:07] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[10:09] <Toadstool> oops, yeah, i confirmed the sync :)
[10:19] <Fujitsu> One thing that's been annoying me for ages... Why does pbuilder take sooooo long to consider build-deps?
[10:24] <dholbach> Fujitsu: it can't be ages
[10:24] <dholbach> Fujitsu: it started happening with mvo's last apt upload, which is barely 2 weeks ago
[10:24] <Fujitsu> > 1 minute for libvte-dev, I think.
[10:25] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[10:25] <Fujitsu> As in ages...
[10:25] <Fujitsu> Well, I only really started using pbuilders regularly 48 hours ago.
[10:25] <Fujitsu> Seems like ages, though.
[10:25] <dholbach> pffft :)
[10:25] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[11:00] <Fujitsu> A bug was just filed on my vpnc build... It's apparently broken :(
[11:11] <bjp> I've uploaded a flamerobin ubuntu package last week to be reviewed. What time does it aproximatically take for a package to be reviewed? The package is available at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2688
[11:12] <sladen> bjp: lots of nagging!
[11:13] <sladen> bjp: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/flamerobin-0607120655/linda
[11:13] <Fujitsu> Does anybody here use vpnc, by any chance?
[11:13] <sladen> bjp: also, http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/flamerobin-0607120655/lintian
[11:14] <sladen> bjp: those points need looking at and fixing
[11:15] <Arbiter> hi all
[11:16] <bjp> sladen: thanks. It probably is because I've created a binary package first, and then build the source package for revu.
[11:17] <bjp> I'll try building the revu package from start and upload that one
[11:17] <sladen> bjp: if you use   debuild -S
[11:17] <sladen> bjp: then that will clean the package first.
[11:17] <sladen> bjp: that accounts for one of the warnings (autoconf files)
[11:18] <sladen> bjp: there are a few others;  the Standards-Version mentioned in debian/control
[11:18] <bjp> well IIRC I did use that, but I'll look into it
[11:18] <sladen> bjp: have .svn directories
[11:18] <bjp> can I review the error files you've pointed out before I've actually uploaded the package?
[11:19] <sladen> bjp: there appears to already be a  flamerobin-0.7.2  in revu, is that yours?
[11:21] <bjp> sladen: depends on it, where did you found it?
[11:21] <bjp> sladen: I just see one flamerobin package on the main revu page
[11:22] <bjp> sladen: where did you find the .svn directories, as I've used the official source package which doesn't contain .svn folders. The only thing is that revision.svn is included
[11:22] <cbx33> bjp: have you used 3.7.2 for the standard?
[11:22] <sladen> bjp: does 'ls -a' show you them?
[11:23] <bjp> cbx33: I'm sorry I don't get it exactly.. what do you mean?
[11:23] <sladen> bjp: in debian/control  as said above
[11:23] <bjp> sladen: I did that, of course :), but is doesn't show them in my source folder
[11:24] <bjp> sladen: ah I see them and will fix it. Thanks :)
[11:24] <sladen> bjp: okay, it's probably looking with   find -name \*.svn   see what it does and that might match that file you found
[11:25] <bjp> sladen: I think the revision.svn file is allowed, isn't it?
[11:25] <cbx33> bjp: the compat file should now be 5 not 4 shouldn't it sladen ?
[11:25] <sladen> bjp: if this is an upstream tarball, then you shouldn't be using a native package
[11:25] <sladen> bjp: native means that it was written specifically for Debian, and that's very rare
[11:26] <sladen> bjp: ah there any other files that it matches?
[11:26] <bjp> sladen: yeah I've found the .svn dir in debian and removed it. In the next package it will be gone, thanks :)
[11:27] <sladen> bjp: how did it get there, presumably you created the contents of debian/
[11:27] <bjp> sladen: well the package is used for a debian package and I've derived it to build an Ubuntu package for linking some other dependencies than the Debian has (other library versions)
[11:28] <Enverex> The guide for making with debhelper and uploading doesn't work btw, there are steps missing that mean it doesn't work unless you do them
[11:28] <sladen> bjp: in that case, if it's already in Debian, just request a sync for it
[11:29] <cbx33> Enverex: which guide?
[11:29] <Enverex> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-upload.html
[11:29] <bjp> sladen: well that's the problem. It takes a very long time for a package to be included in Debian and we're still wondering whether it is every going to be included
[11:30] <Enverex> Not to mention dbuild doesn't work properly either, it always craps out with an error on trying to sign the files
[11:30] <cbx33> Enverex: ever seen https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[11:30] <bjp> sladen: that's why I've made the Ubuntu package; to offer more convenience to the Ubuntu users of Flamerobin
[11:30] <cbx33> oh sorry
[11:30] <cbx33> those are chapters in it yes?
[11:30] <cbx33> brb
[11:30] <Enverex> cbx33, Erm, the pages I just showed you ARE pages of that
[11:31] <Enverex> yeah, heh
[11:31] <sladen> bjp: right, so where did you find this Debian package, if not in Debian?
[11:31] <Enverex> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting.... debuild: fatal error at line 791: running debsign failed
[11:31] <sladen> bjp: (the package that you started with and which are modifying
[11:32] <cbx33> Enverex: have you got your gpg key setup?
[11:32] <cbx33> do you have gpg installed?
[11:32] <Enverex> Yup
[11:32] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:32] <cbx33> when you modifed the changelog did you use the right email address?
[11:33] <bjp> somebody else on the community of Flamerobin has made this package for Debian already and I assumed it was fine. Probably it isn't so I'll create my very own Ubuntu one. I think you're suggesting to do it first of all right? :)
[11:33] <Enverex> Yes, I can sign things with debsign <file> but not by running debuild
[11:39] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:39] <Enverex> Also, the E-UAE thing I uploaded the other day still hasn't shown in REVU, any ideas why?
[11:39] <cbx33> key not synced?
[11:39] <Arbiter> w00t, there are a lot of old packages ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/ that were not updated into REVU
[11:39] <cbx33> did you join the revu group?
[11:39] <Enverex> cbx33, Yes and Yes
[11:39] <cbx33> hey Arbiter hows the pacakge?
[11:39] <bjp> sladen: btw, isn't there any possibility to share the debian/ folder between Debian and Ubuntu packages?
[11:39] <Enverex> Arbiter, : Ha, there it id
[11:39] <cbx33> Enverex: have you ever uploaded to revu before?
[11:39] <Enverex> *is
[11:39] <Arbiter> cbx33, i've fixed two more issues
[11:39] <cbx33> nice
[11:39] <Enverex> cbx33, It's on that site Arbiter just daid
[11:39] <phanatic> hello motu world
[11:39] <Arbiter> cbx33, * orig-tarball changed. Please use exactly what you downloaded as .orig.tar.gz. (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball)
[11:39] <Arbiter> * debian/copyright: you miss the license in src/core/compat-round.{cc,h}
[11:39] <Arbiter> :D
[11:39] <Arbiter> fixed & fixed
[11:39] <sladen> bjp: yes, but we do it with a diff!
[11:39] <cbx33> s it in rejected?
[11:39] <cbx33> Enverex: ?
[11:39] <phanatic> any MOTUs around here?
[11:39] <Enverex> Erm, two of the files are in that folder, one is in rejected
[11:39] <sladen> bjp: that original package isn't going into Debian, until all the warning are sorted out with it anyway
[11:39] <cbx33> phanatic: what;'s up
[11:39] <cbx33> I'm not a MOTU
[11:39] <cbx33> but just ask your question :p
[11:39] <cbx33> then you need to find out why it was rejected
[11:39] <Arbiter> owww
[11:39] <phanatic> cbx33: sorry, i need a MOTU :) it's about uploading stuff...
[11:39] <sladen> bjp: personally, I suggest being a new, non-native package (as normally done) and doing a proper packaging job from scratch
[11:39] <cbx33> phanatic: you need stuff uploaded?
[11:39] <Arbiter> after the upload advocates are reset
[11:39] <Arbiter> pffff....
[11:39] <Enverex> cbx33, Oh, so does that mean those other two files are fine but there's something wrong with just that file?
[11:39] <cbx33> Enverex: what is the package name?
[11:39] <cbx33> I would think so?
[11:39] <phanatic> cbx33: in fact a quick review and an upload :)
[11:39] <bjp> sladen: he didn't tell me that the debian package contained errors (warnings) as well. I'll start from scratch and come up with a proper ubuntu package then
[11:39] <cbx33> phanatic: I can do a quick review
[11:39] <phanatic> cbx33: thanks, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2585
[11:39] <sladen> bjp: so, grab the upstream tarball.   un tar it, mkdir -p debian and make control/changelog (you can look at the other package for ideas, but don't copy the bugs :)
[11:39] <Enverex> cbx33, e-uae
[11:39] <phanatic> raphink: ping
[11:39] <raphink> pong
[11:39] <Enverex> cbx33, The changelog, is that a changelog for the program or for the debian package?
[11:39] <cbx33> phanatic: looks like it's already been approved and uploaded
[11:39] <sladen> bjp: rocking!  if the upstream is 0.7.2, then we'll assume the Debian version is going to be 0, so you'll have a version of   0.7.2-0ubuntu1
[11:39] <cbx33> of have you just updated it?
[11:39] <phanatic> cbx33: not the latest version
[11:39] <cbx33> ah ok
[11:39] <cbx33> lemme see
[11:39] <phanatic> cbx33: it's for edgy containing some bugfixes
[11:39] <Enverex> Can anyone answer that question?
[11:39] <Arbiter> oook, advocates: fixed package wants you ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2742
[11:39] <bjp> sladen: shouldn't I use the build tools to create the debian directory?
[11:39] <raphink> phanatic: what's up?
[11:39] <cbx33> phanatic: looks good to me
[11:40] <phanatic> raphink: do you have time for a quick review + upload?
[11:40] <sladen> bjp: no.  make your changes;  and at the end,   debuild -S  will produce a  .diff  (we have a .dsc, the orig.tar.gz and the .diff and changes)
[11:40] <raphink> no I don't have time to review
[11:40] <phanatic> raphink: actually it was reviewed a several times, just need an upload
[11:40] <Enverex> The changelog file in debian/, is that a changelog for the program or for the debian package?
[11:40] <phanatic> raphink: sysinfo package with bugfixes
[11:40] <raphink> phanatic: I'd have to review it myself though
[11:40] <raphink> I'd like to I mean
[11:41] <raphink> so I'll do it later on
[11:41] <phanatic> raphink: okay, thanks
[11:41] <bjp> sladen: okay. What standards version should I use than? And can I change the compat file to 5?
[11:41] <raphink> is there no other MOTU around who could review it?
[11:41] <sladen> siretart: can you put a newer version of linda/lintian on revu
[11:41] <phanatic> raphink: nobody put his/her hands up :)
[11:41] <sladen> bjp: you might actually be correct, leave it at that for the moment
[11:41] <raphink> sladen: we have to plan an upgrade of tiber
[11:41] <cbx33> raphink: nice
[11:41] <raphink> to dapper
[11:41] <Enverex> Anyone?
[11:41] <cbx33> get rid of all those standards errors :p
[11:42] <raphink> it's not planned yet
[11:42] <raphink> hehe
[11:42] <raphink> for the least we already have an edgy pbuilder :)
[11:42] <Arbiter> :D
[11:42] <bjp> sladen: alright. I'll change the version of the package to 0.7.2-0ubuntu1
[11:42] <bjp> sladen: and remove the .svn folder
[11:43] <cbx33> Enverex: that's for your package of it
[11:43] <cbx33> I believe
[11:43] <Enverex> Ah, that's why it's rejected then
[11:43] <Enverex> I'll go fix
[11:43] <cbx33> y?
[11:43] <bjp> sladen: and the autobuild stuff, etc. Hopefully I get to upload a new version in the afternoon. Can I contact you again when I've uploaded the newer one? :)
[11:43] <Arbiter> o.O my karma on launchpad bumped from 449 to 1116
[11:44] <azeem> instant karma gonna get you
[11:45] <cbx33> heheh karma is such a funny thing
[11:45] <cbx33> it means practically nothing :p
[11:45] <Arbiter> hee hee hee
[11:45] <cbx33> mine is 41076
[11:45] <Arbiter> i see
[11:45] <cbx33> but it's cos I wrote some specs
[11:45] <Enverex> cbx33, I thought it was a changelog for the program
[11:45] <Arbiter> O.O
[11:46] <cbx33> Enverex: I'm not 100% sure
[11:46] <cbx33> to be perfectly honest
[11:46] <Enverex> Do you need to run pbuilder for it to make the files which you upload or are those made by debuild?
[11:46] <cbx33> Enverex: you should run debuils -S
[11:47] <cbx33> to build the source pacakge
[11:47] <cbx33> that's what goes up to REVU
[11:47] <cbx33> but you should run pbuilder to make sure it builds ok
[11:47] <cbx33> before you upload
[11:48] <Enverex> yeah, I know, it's just why does dbuilder always crap out and if I  run debsign it says debsign: Can't find or can't read changes file ../ccd2iso_0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.changes!2 which is only built when you pbuilder it
[11:57] <Enverex> Also, it wont let me reupload (even with -f)
[11:57] <Enverex> Package includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests
[11:57] <Enverex> that it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be
[11:57] <Enverex> rejected by the upload queue management software.
[12:08] <Enverex> Stupid network
[12:08] <Enverex> Did anyone get anything I said
[12:10] <Enverex> Come on guys, I'm not spending 10 hours on a package again
[12:11] <azeem> please be patient
[12:11] <azeem> we're all volunteers
[12:11] <azeem> maybe you should rephrase your question
[12:12] <Enverex> Uploading via ftp e-uae_0.8.29-WIP2-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of e-uae_0.8.29-WIP2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[12:12] <Enverex> How do I get it to overwrite the old one?
[12:12] <azeem> you're uploading to REVU?
[12:12] <Enverex> Yeah
[12:13] <azeem> ok, sorry, I never did that
[12:13] <azeem> maybe those files get cleaned up by a cronjob every once in a while
[12:13] <azeem> so maybe try again in a couple of hours
[12:13] <azeem> otherwise, contact the REVU admins, I'd say
[12:13] <azeem> but this is just my uneducated gues
[12:13] <azeem> s/gues/guess/
[12:14] <Enverex> They've been there for a while
[12:14] <Enverex> Surely there is some way to overwrite them...
[12:15] <azeem> do they belong to a proper prior upload?  Or a halfway-through upload?
[12:15] <Enverex> Part of the prior upload has been rejected so I'm trying to upload the new version
[12:19] <Enverex> Does anyone know how I remove files from REVU>
[12:19] <Enverex> *?
[12:22] <phanatic> Enverex: upload with dput -f
[12:22] <phanatic> that'll overwrite the old ones...
[12:22] <Enverex> But it doesn't
[12:23] <Enverex> It still says the site rejected it
[12:23] <phanatic> is your key correct and accepted by revu?
[12:23] <Enverex> Yes. It worked the first time to upload both programs but it wont let me overwrite
[12:23] <phanatic> :/
[12:23] <phanatic> ask a revu admin maybe
[12:24] <derjohn> i have via vt8251-based mobo. that chipset is supported since 2.6.17 only. is there a ubuntu-server install cd out (nightly or such) that is 2.6.17 based?
[12:25] <jdmpike> hey guys, how hard would it be to create a package called network-manager-xfce4?
[12:25] <Enverex> It'll take you days, and you'll go insane in the process
[12:25] <jdmpike> probably
[12:25] <jdmpike> network-manager-gtk might be more appropriate
[12:26] <jdmpike> what that a massive undertaking?
[12:26] <jdmpike> creating the kde/gnome versions of the frontends?
[12:26] <Enverex> phanatic, PMed you the whole output to see if it makes more sense
[12:30] <phanatic> Enverex: looks like a revu problem. ping one of the revu admins, they can help...
[12:30] <Enverex> ... which are they? heh
[12:32] <phanatic> Enverex: https://launchpad.net/people/revu-hackers
[12:34] <Enverex> ping ajmitch siretart raphink
[12:37] <siretart> Enverex: yes?
[12:38] <Enverex> siretart, I seem to be unable to upload a new version of something to REVU, it let me upload the initial one but I had to change something and it wont let me overwrite the old one
[12:39] <siretart> Enverex: which package?
[12:39] <derjohn> self-answer (for the logs, if any): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[12:40] <Enverex> siretart, e-uae and ccd
[12:40] <Enverex> erm, ccd2iso
[12:41] <siretart> Enverex: the later one was uploaded as binary, which is being ignored by the upload processor and blocks further uploads
[12:41] <siretart> just cleaned the queue, you may reupload now
[12:42] <Enverex> Thanks, I didn't even mean to upload that in the first place, heh
[12:42] <siretart> but be sure that you only upload *_source.changes, and no *_i386.changes files
[12:43] <Enverex> Yeah, the guides were confusing and that was my first upload
[12:43] <Enverex> debuilder doesn't work properly and dies when trying to sign
[12:46] <Enverex> lol, Ubuntu live support rejected
[12:46] <Enverex> Oh the irony
[12:50] <mpathy> Hi there.. What do you think about my feature request here? https://launchpad.net/bounties/compilation-options-checker
[12:57] <Enverex> That's odd, my uploads haven't appeared in that upload folder yet
[12:58] <Enverex> Oh, it's on the REAL page now, heh
[01:29] <Enverex> Just hope they aren't too borked and get rejected, heh. They both build and install fine through the .deb file as I'm using them now, yay. Heh.
[01:42] <Arbiter> mpathy, i think that your feature request fits better under specs, unless you want to pay someone for implementing the feature
[01:46] <FunnyLookinHat> siretart, : )   I just woke up and saw your email.  Unfortunately I have to go to work right now but I'll probably start to read it at work  : )
[01:46] <FunnyLookinHat> Thanks for helping me   : )
[01:46] <siretart> FunnyLookinHat: I'm currently at work as well
[01:46] <siretart> FunnyLookinHat: I'm happy that I can help you :)
[01:46] <FunnyLookinHat> siretart, See you later!
[02:01] <mpathy> Arbiter: Can I "move" it?
[02:01] <Arbiter> mpathy, don't know
[02:02] <Arbiter> i never wrote spec or bounties
[02:08] <Javier> f
[02:16] <tseng> < stub> Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for some brief unscheduled  maintenance. Downtime will be approx five minutes.
[02:17] <Enverex> omg borked
[02:23] <Arbiter> slomo, ping
[02:44] <Viper550> Hello
[02:57] <Arbiter> slomo, libgimp-cil builds correctly also in pbuilder :)
[03:08] <Arbiter> slomo, i've uploaded an updated version... you can review it if you want :D
[03:09] <Enverex> I'm amazed no-one complained about e-uae not being in Ubuntu, people are likely going to jump all over it when it comes out :P
[03:10] <Arbiter> Enverex, :D
[03:11] <Enverex> I've installed both of my packages locally and they seem fine, so any rejections are going to be something astetic or silly
[03:11] <Arbiter> Enverex, tried to build the package in pbuilder?
[03:11] <Enverex> Yeah, that's how I got the .deb file to install
[03:12] <Arbiter> good
[03:12] <Enverex> ( I mean I installed via the deb file, not just a manual compilation else that wouldn't prove it worked, heh)
[03:12] <Arbiter> sure
[03:14] <Enverex> Making packages for ./configure && make && make install programs seems really easy now, heh, but there are programs like oolite that are a bit more complicated
[03:14] <Arbiter> hehehe
[03:15] <Arbiter> making an ebuild for gentoo is often more complex :P
[03:15] <Arbiter> and there's no pbuilder... :PPP
[03:17] <Enverex> True but you just "emerge blah"
[03:18] <Enverex> As you don't need to make packages
[03:18] <Enverex> It's more complicated to make but easier to see if it worked properly
[03:18] <Arbiter> :)
[03:18] <Arbiter> Enverex, i've used gentoo for about a year
[03:18] <Arbiter> :)
[03:19] <Arbiter> then i got bored of compiling everytime
[03:19] <Arbiter> so i moved to debian firstly, then ubuntu :D
[03:20] <Enverex> Yeah, heh. It's nice. Pick some programs, install. 20 seconds later (including download time) it's all usable. Rather than 3 hours.
[03:21] <Enverex> It's also nice to be able to browse through the programs with icons and such too.
[03:21] <Arbiter> Enverex, it's better to let the ubuntu's build servers compile the programs for us :D
[03:22] <NthDegree> lol
[03:22] <Enverex> but but but.. my -funroll-loops -crazyloops -omgwtf-loops -march=uberpc flags!!
[03:22] <NthDegree> until you have submitted enough packages I take it you have to submit .src.debs
[03:24] <Arbiter> my CFLAGS under gentoo: -march=athlon-xp -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -mmmx -msse -fweb and such things :P
[03:24] <Mithrandir> you know -O3 is generally slower than -O2 or -Os, right?
[03:25] <Enverex> mmx and sse are already part of -march=athlon-xp
[03:25] <Arbiter> Mithrandir, yep it generates bigger executables
[03:25] <Arbiter> Mithrandir, in fact after some time i did an emerge -e world with CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe" :D
[03:27] <NthDegree> Arbiter, dare you to try that with SSP :p
[03:29] <zul> hmmm...when did we become #gentoo-motu
[03:30] <Arbiter> zul, hee hee hee
[03:30] <robert__> hello all
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:49] <zul> hey
[03:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:49] <zul> umm...shouldnt you be uploading stuff to universe?
[03:49] <imbrandon> heh
[04:28] <Gloubiboulga> join #ubuntu-devel
[04:28] <Hobbsee> heh, hi Gloubiboulga
[04:28] <Gloubiboulga> hm, it doesn't work
[04:28] <Gloubiboulga> hi Hobbsee :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:36] <chrisjr> hi
[04:37] <FunnyLookinHat> I have a motu-mentor!
[04:39] <bjp> hi guys, is there any way to view the Linda file before dputting a source package?
[04:39] <azeem> bjp: which linda file?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> bjp: linda foo.dsc
[04:41] <bjp> hobbsee: thanks. Same holds for lintian I guess?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> bjp: yep
[04:41] <bjp> hobbsee: great! I'll check it out :)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:42] <bjp> hobbsee: no output is prefered I hope? :)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> bjp: yes
[04:43] <bjp> hobbsee: okay than linda is finally right :)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:43] <azeem> bjp: run it on a binary .changes files to also get the .debs checked
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bjp: of course it is.  i can whinge at the maintainer and writer of it, too :P
[04:44] <bjp> hobbsee: just lintian warns "source: package-uses-deprecated-debhelper-compat-version 1"
[04:44] <bjp> hobbsee: lol :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> bjp: *ouch*  why 1?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> that's *way* out of date
[04:44] <bjp> hobbsee: the lintian warning is because the compat file is missing I guess.. should I add 4 or 5 to the file?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> bjp: is this package already in debian?
[04:45] <bjp> hobbsee: nope it isn't. We're trying to, but it gets a lot of delay.
[04:46] <bjp> hobbsee: so we'd like to have it included in ubuntu for the convenience of our ubuntu users :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> bjp: so who set the compat 1?
[04:47] <bjp> azeem: thanks, still no errors in linda
[04:47] <bjp> hobbsee: I didn't had the 'compat' file in the 'debian' directory, so I guess it defaults to one (1)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> bjp: ah.  change it to 5 then
[04:49] <Arbiter> hi *
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hi Arbiter
[04:49] <Arbiter> hey Hobbsee
[04:49] <Arbiter> how are you? :D
[04:49] <bjp> hobbsee: I did that, lintian isn't warnings anymore either
[04:50] <bjp> hobbsee: is this the right time to dput the package to revu, or can/should I check some additional things too?
[04:50] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, ping
[04:50] <Hobbsee> bjp: cool :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> bjp: dput it to revu
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: good, doing some uploads :)
[04:50] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, hehehehe
[04:50] <Arbiter> i'm waiting for my 2nd advocate
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: ah fun.  what for?
[04:52] <bjp> hobbsee: thanks for you're help! :) It's uploaded now and I will comment the upload as it appears on revu
[04:52] <Arbiter> i've fixed some problem reported by sistpoty
[04:52] <Hobbsee> bjp: cool, paste the link here?
[04:52] <Arbiter> *problems*
[04:53] <Arbiter> he also advocated the package this morning
[04:53] <Arbiter> !spell advocated
[04:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about spell advocated - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:53] <Arbiter> aw
[04:53] <Arbiter> :D
[04:54] <bjp> hobbsee: it's the second upload of the flamerobin package, available at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2688
[04:57] <bjp> hobbsee: I see trouble with compat now. After changing it to 5 (I've set it to 4 earlier and everything was fine) it errors that it is greater than debhelper version
[04:58] <Hobbsee> bjp: then change debhelper's version to >=5.0.0 as well, or however they have it
[04:58] <bjp> hobbsee: I guess I should have Build-Depends debhelper (=>5.0.0) as well?
[04:58] <bjp> hobbsee: ah :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> bjp: yep, that's what i mean
[05:00] <bjp> hobbsee: alright, now it's fixed. Should I increase the version of the package (0ubuntu2) or should I just dput -f?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> bjp: ah, try dput -f
[05:02] <bjp> hobbsee: okay it's there again :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> bjp: cool
[05:09] <bjp> hobbsee: I think the package is fine now, both linda and lintian are zero bytes
[05:09] <Hobbsee> bjp: still trying to un-screw everything here sorry...
[05:11] <bjp> hobbsee: that's fine.. maybe you have to time to take a look at it later? :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bjp: after that, i'll probably sleep :P
[05:12] <Gloubiboulga> no no
[05:12] <zul> its a mirage
[05:12] <bjp> hobbsee: hehe sorry, maybe somebody else can do it.. wasn't my purpose to border you with it :)
[05:12] <Gloubiboulga> you're the only one in here
[05:12] <Hobbsee> oh dear :P
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bjp: :)
[05:13] <ogra_> thats the prce you pay for motuness :)
[05:13] <ogra_> *price even
[05:13] <bjp> hobbsee: although, what should I do except for dropping a note here? Since I did that last week and there were no reactions at all ;-)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> ogra_: heh.  you can review.
[05:14] <ogra_> Hobbsee, EBUSY .... :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:15] <ogra_> moving houses while creating milestone CDs and melting at 35C
[05:15] <zul> ogra_: heh...you got our temperature from monday...lucky you
[05:16] <sharms> ogra_: is creating milestone cds on the wiki?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> whee...libdar*'s broken in debian too.
[05:16] <ogra_> sharms, ?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> ogra_: do try not to melt.
[05:16] <ogra_> sharms, i doubt it ...
[05:16] <sharms> ogra_: what is the script or program used?
[05:17] <ogra_> sharms, there is no script/program ...
[05:17] <ogra_> its a lot of manpower (the whole distro team) and launchpads build structure
[05:17] <sharms> hrm so an individual would have a hard time making a custom cd?
[05:18] <ogra_> i mean, sure there is mkisofs or mksquashfs somewhere wrapped in a script, in LP ....
[05:18] <ogra_> thats documented on the wiki somewhere ...
[05:18] <ogra_> but customizing is different to building a cd with LP
[05:43] <LaserJock> siretart: ping?
[05:46] <siretart> LaserJock: pong
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all, i'm trying to fix a bug in vim - syntax highlighting. i found a few files that look good, but i was hoping someone could help me check
[05:58] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: i know nothing, nothing at all :P
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats why i didnt ask you :P
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[05:59] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> how are you, btw :)
[06:02] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: haha, busy I guess :-)
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. fraid so :|
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, ping?
[06:07] <LaserJock> yeah?
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> this src-deb is a diff, but i cant find the origonal in the directory :| should i just grep for some of the file contents?
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( i cant find another. *wonder if he can find martin pitt or sjr about the place*
[06:10] <dholbach> Kamping_Kaiser: pitti is Martin Pitt
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks dholbach , he seems to be away atm, might have to catch him tomorrow
[10:46] <onkarshinde> I am trying to build a source package. Can someone help me with a problem?
[10:47] <LaserJock> ask, and hopefully somebody will know the answer
[10:49] <onkarshinde> When I do 'dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot', I receive error '/usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: debian/rules: Permission denied'
[10:49] <LaserJock> what does ls -lh tell you about debian/rules
[10:50] <onkarshinde> LaserJock: -rw-r--r-- 1 onkar users 1.6K 2006-07-20 02:07 debian/rules
[10:50] <onkarshinde> LaserJock: Do I need 755 permissions?
[10:50] <LaserJock> I think it should be excecutable
[10:51] <onkarshinde> LaserJock: Ok. Actually I was refering debian/ubuntu packaging guide. I am new to this.
[10:52] <onkarshinde> LaserJock: Oops. I missed that part that this file should be executable
[11:41] <phanatic> evening motu world
[11:41] <crimsun> hi
[11:41] <Cornellius> lo