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| rodarvus | guys, as you might (or not :) ) know, I'm working on X.Org 7.1 packages, currently | 02:29 |
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| Mithrandir | you're basing those off the 7.1 packages in Debian? | 02:29 |
| rodarvus | Debian has *very* little done, until now, and gravity will be away for the next two weeks (and has no plans to touch X.Org 7.1 until then) | 02:29 |
| Mithrandir | hmm, ok. | 02:30 |
| rodarvus | so, yes, I'm basing on their work | 02:30 |
| rodarvus | but very little has been done | 02:30 |
| rodarvus | I was wondering if it makes sense to try to collaborate with them right now - meaning contacting someone at XSF, and try to push our packages directly to experimental | 02:30 |
| rodarvus | and sync them into ubuntu, from there | 02:30 |
| rodarvus | (this is question #1) | 02:31 |
| Kamion | political advice: don't talk about it as "pushing our packages" | 02:31 |
| rodarvus | also, I noted that many of the packages that are "part" of X.Org 7.1 are already outdated - for example, libx11 (for 7.1) is 1.0.1 - current version is 1.0.3 | 02:31 |
| Kamion | also, there are still differences, so presumably the versions in experimental would have to be based on existing Debian packaging, not on existing Ubuntu packaging | 02:32 |
| rodarvus | do you think it is a problem for us to go directly to 1.0.3? (and be "newer" than 7.1 in some packages) | 02:32 |
| rodarvus | the same operation would happen in many other packages too | 02:32 |
| Kamion | that's not to say collaboration doesn't make sense of course - I think it does, if possible | 02:32 |
| Kamion | rodarvus: case-by-case, I'd say | 02:32 |
| Kamion | depends on what's in 1.0.3 | 02:33 |
| rodarvus | *nods*, I agree its a case-by-case | 02:33 |
| rodarvus | Kamion: also, thanks for the advice on collaboration with Debian :) | 02:33 |
| Kamion | I wouldn't expect it to be intrinsically a problem to go to newer versions, if the changes are reasonable and not API/ABI-complex | 02:34 |
| rodarvus | dangerous territory :P | 02:34 |
| Mithrandir | I'd be very scared if Xorg broke the libX11 ABI. | 02:37 |
| Kamion | http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg-lib-libX11;a=log;h=99c711707ad08e1396e123b1c7df687c560a489a shows at least some security fixes between 1.0.1 and 1.0.3 | 02:39 |
| fabbione | same soname | 02:39 |
| fabbione | no abi breakage | 02:40 |
| Kamion | also one or two changes that might require packaging tweaks | 02:40 |
| Kamion | (the i18n datadir/libdir stuff) | 02:40 |
| fabbione | you need to make sure to pull in the proper headers to build libx11 | 02:40 |
| fabbione | otherwise it's not going to build | 02:40 |
| rodarvus | fabbione: right, I plan to build all new x11proto before | 02:42 |
| fabbione | ok | 02:42 |
| rodarvus | before building the rest, I mean | 02:42 |
| rodarvus | anyhow, I'll do it, then - thanks for the advice, guys! | 02:42 |
| rodarvus | I'd also like to consider helping XSF directly in the future, but I figure it won't be very likely to happen *right now*, due to time constraints | 02:43 |
| Kamion | I suspect that collaborating with XSF on this pretty much equates to helping them directly | 02:58 |
| Kamion | since it won't be a matter of "commit Ubuntu packaging to SVN" | 02:58 |
| rodarvus | exactly | 03:06 |
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