| cbx33 | nn all | 12:15 |
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| mhz | crimsun: so, could read the info (urls)? | 12:16 |
| mhz | cbx33: nn | 12:16 |
| crimsun | mhz: yes (phone conference presently) | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | mhz, what was that question? | 12:16 |
| mhz | hehehe | 12:17 |
| mhz | cbx33: oooh, sorry, it was crimsun | 12:17 |
| mhz | <crimsun> mhz: what sort of [free] workshops have you guys/gals held for said teachers?\ | 12:17 |
| mhz | crimsun: i did not get that | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | grrrr | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | :p | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | see pm | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | mhz, | 12:18 |
| Petaris | later all | 12:18 |
| crimsun | mhz: Have you held any workshops/gatherings/presentations for teachers? | 12:19 |
| mhz | crimsun: yes I have | 12:19 |
| mhz | about 7 | 12:19 |
| mhz | in last 9 months | 12:19 |
| mhz | oh, sorry, crimsun ... about 19 edubuntu demos, 7 talks/presentations | 12:20 |
| crimsun | mhz: what kind of feedback/response did you get from those teachers? | 12:23 |
| mhz | crimsum: a) ooh, good, I want that too but how is this diff from Edulinux | 12:24 |
| mhz | crimsun: b) hmm, I have no computers and can't afford them, Can you also provide them | 12:24 |
| RichEd | <mhz> "the one on JaneW looks sexy" <- so we agree on many things | 12:25 |
| mhz | crimsun: c) cool! Please go to my school. I go there, and there are about 40 students in a class, and the lab has only 10 pcs, Pentium II | 12:25 |
| RichEd | but sharing goes only so far ;) | 12:25 |
| mhz | RichEd: LOL!!! | 12:25 |
| RichEd | and not further | 12:25 |
| RichEd | goodnight all ... off to bed ... | 12:25 |
| crimsun | mhz: not too dissimilar from the responses I've received. | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | goodnight RichEd | 12:26 |
| mhz | nn, RichEd | 12:26 |
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| mhz | crimsun: yeah, it is incredible how similar it goes allover the world | 12:27 |
| mhz | education areas are too abandoned, even in Universities | 12:27 |
| mhz | there is a huge MONOculture | 12:27 |
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| LaserJock | darn, that was rather funny. To bad he left | 12:30 |
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| mhz | hehehe, Laser_away | 12:36 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 01:52 |
| mhz | bddebian: hi there | 01:52 |
| HedgeMage | hi bddebian | 01:53 |
| bddebian | Hi mhz, HedgeMage | 01:54 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: TT, sleeping yet/ | 01:55 |
| HedgeMage | mhz: nope, not for 3-4 more hours :) | 01:55 |
| mhz | eeek, then it is time you fetch him a nice keyboard | 01:55 |
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| HedgeMage | hehe | 01:57 |
| HedgeMage | I finally got hubby's permission to dual-boot his old desktop so TT has a Linux computer to use regularly. | 01:58 |
| HedgeMage | hopefully going all-edubuntu eventually | 01:58 |
| mhz_food | yay!! | 01:58 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, we should be in http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/48 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/Summary_18JULY2006 | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | we? | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | ahh the 3 main flavours | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 03:31 |
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| highvoltage | LaserJock: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jul2006/tc20060718_915334.htm?campaign_id=bier_tclt2 | 08:35 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: sorry, my firefox has gone mad | 08:36 |
| highvoltage | i meant to post this link: | 08:36 |
| highvoltage | http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/07/19/1553242.shtml | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | the first one was funny | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | yep | 08:37 |
| highvoltage | :) | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | there is a thing called optical molasses (sp?) | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | where when you shoot molecules with lots and lots of photons you actually start slowing them down | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | we have a project in my lab that does some similar stuff | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: did you change your jabber? | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | we want to trap the molecules and then use the laser to start them spinning | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: jabberafrica.org doesn't exist anymore right? | 08:38 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: wow. does your lab/institute have a website? | 08:40 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: yes, it doesn't exist anymore | 08:41 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: i'm now jonathan@jabber.org | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: not with info on that project | 08:41 |
| highvoltage | what happens when you make molekules spin in a stationary position? | 08:41 |
| highvoltage | do you build small engines and stuff? | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | we will turn them into gyroscopes | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | all spinning in the same direction | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | they you can shoot them at other molecules ;-) | 08:42 |
| highvoltage | ah yes. I remember some things you explained to me about the direction that molecules spin in. | 08:42 |
| highvoltage | geepers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbocaj/192436679 | 08:43 |
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| === RichEd waves hello | ||
| Burgundavia | hey RichEd | 09:21 |
| RichEd | 'lo Burgundavia | 09:21 |
| RichEd | pretty quiet here ... all code complete & all children educated then ? | 09:22 |
| RichEd | ;) | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | merely the quiet time as NA is asleep and EU not yet up | 09:23 |
| RichEd | okay ... so i am in africa (sort of in the middle) and you ? | 09:23 |
| pygi | morning all | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | west coast of Canada, Victoria BC | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | hey pygi | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | RichEd: you are in Cape Town? | 09:24 |
| RichEd | yebo :) | 09:25 |
| Burgundavia | if I have the money/time, I am planning to travel back to SA and see the family. I should stop in an bug the shuttleworth/canonical/hbd crew | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: so did you get to read my email | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: ignore the conference reply thing btw | 09:28 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: hi there :) | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | doesnt fall in our scope to say the least | 09:29 |
| RichEd | sure did ... get the mail thanks ... | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: so did i pass the "good military report" thing | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | cool | 09:29 |
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| Burgundavia | night all | 09:29 |
| RichEd | just to get my head straight ... this was discussion #2 - Lopez | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:29 |
| RichEd | night Burgundavia ... | 09:29 |
| RichEd | so you just used the general format suggested for #1 :) | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | i thought it fit well | 09:30 |
| RichEd | initiative & reuse ... you'll make a good soldier lad ! | 09:30 |
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| cbx33 | mornin all | 09:38 |
| pygi | hey cbx33 | 09:39 |
| cbx33 | hi pygi | 09:39 |
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| pygi | whats up cbx33? :) | 09:51 |
| cbx33 | hmmm...waiting for gisomount to get into universe | 09:56 |
| cbx33 | it's been approved on REVU | 09:56 |
| pygi | oh ! | 09:57 |
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| pygi | anyone have any idea how can I get ahold of my freenode password? :P | 12:03 |
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| pygi | Burgwork: any chance you are here? | 12:22 |
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| RichEd | observation: when a windows application crashes, and it asks if i would like to send a bug report, my first reaction is "no way" ... i have just had my first Ubuntu (evolution) crash, and when i got the same request, i am more than happy to send it, and hope that it helps them in future. | 12:47 |
| ogra | :) | 12:48 |
| pygi | RichEd: And what you learned out of it? :) | 12:51 |
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| jsgotangco | i dont agree with that | 12:51 |
| ogra | rodarvus, ! | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | if its a serious bug in a windows application, im more than happy to report it | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | because im not the only one whose going to benefit when it gets fixed (hopefully) | 12:52 |
| rodarvus | good morning | 12:54 |
| rodarvus | hi ogra! | 12:55 |
| RichEd | yes, but there is always a feeling that the people at MS are looking too deply into your personal details | 12:55 |
| RichEd | it may be a predjudice on my behalf, but i'm sure i am not the only one ! | 12:55 |
| ogra | rodarvus, i'd like a opinion about a change i plan in ltsp | 12:56 |
| RichEd | pygi : i feel glad to be part of a community ... not a consumer of a corporate product | 12:56 |
| rodarvus | ogra: go ahead :) | 12:56 |
| RichEd | jim morrison said: the police are supposed to look over us, now they look at us <- i guess that's how i feel about the "MS commercial machine" | 12:57 |
| ogra | rodarvus, we constantly have problems with people changing their IP on the ltsp server and not being able to login afterwards because they forget to run ltsp-update-sshkeys | 12:57 |
| ogra | rodarvus, the idea is to add a /etc/network/if-up.d/ script that generates them every time the interface comes up (afer te IP is set) | 12:58 |
| pygi | RichEd: :) | 12:58 |
| rodarvus | ogra: seems quite sane, imho - we just need to check if LTSP is setup before running the script | 12:59 |
| ogra | that will slow down the interface configuration a bit but would guarantee that the keys are always in pace | 12:59 |
| rodarvus | but otherwise, should be ok | 12:59 |
| ogra | rodarvus, ltsp-update-sshkeys already has these checks in my local branch ... i also switched it to use logger for its output, so we have feedback in /var/log/messages | 01:00 |
| rodarvus | /var/log/messages is probably not a good place for that | 01:00 |
| ogra | ok, if you think thats sane, i'll do the switch | 01:00 |
| ogra | thast what logger uses by default | 01:00 |
| rodarvus | correct, but only by default :) | 01:01 |
| ogra | i can use logger -f with any file you like, which would be your preferred one ? | 01:01 |
| ogra | daemon.log ? syslog ? | 01:02 |
| rodarvus | there is no ltsp specific log, yet? | 01:03 |
| ogra | waht for ? | 01:03 |
| ogra | theo only things that could log there would be dhcpd or sshd | 01:03 |
| ogra | but they log in daemon log anyway | 01:03 |
| rodarvus | yes, overkill, indeed | 01:03 |
| rodarvus | I was just wondering it would be nice to have a central place to have ltsp-related logs to go (such as we have for samba, apache, squid, etc) | 01:04 |
| ogra | (ssh even scatters its info over daemon and auth log) | 01:04 |
| ogra | i had that for the installer, but even there Kamion asked me to make it included into the main installer log | 01:04 |
| rodarvus | right | 01:05 |
| ogra | (which i'm not really fond of ... having a separate ltsp log there would be a lot easier than grepping) | 01:05 |
| rodarvus | maybe syslog | 01:06 |
| ogra | but the in-target function of the installer seems to not allow that ... i was thinking of parallel logging to a separate log *inside* of ltsp-build-client | 01:06 |
| rodarvus | as its a semi-generic system event | 01:06 |
| ogra | (which would mean we have a /var/log/ltsp-build.log in the target system after install | 01:07 |
| highvoltage | this is weird. as i'm reading ogra and rodarvus's text i'm hearing it in their accents in my head. | 01:07 |
| ogra | ok, putting it in sslog | 01:07 |
| ogra | *syslog | 01:07 |
| ogra | highvoltage, hehe | 01:07 |
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| rodarvus | haha | 01:09 |
| rodarvus | highvoltage: apparently you really need a break :D | 01:10 |
| === ogra wonders if debian will slay him for that /etc/network/if-up.d/ change ... its not helpful if you use xdmcp | ||
| rodarvus | well, we don't use xdmcp | 01:11 |
| ogra | but they do in some setups | 01:11 |
| ogra | but its up to them, they can add a preseedable debconf option to ltsp-server to not install the script ... | 01:12 |
| bimberi | RichEd: that ("i feel glad to be part of a community ... not a consumer of a corporate product") is so very very well put! | 01:17 |
| RichEd | bimberi: it's just us ... in my olde worlde it was us & them | 01:18 |
| bimberi | :) | 01:20 |
| bimberi | yes, there's a very different _feel_ about using Free software | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | ogra: is edubuntu-membership also free-for-all (as with edubuntu-testers?) | 01:31 |
| ogra | for the edubuntu team, yes ... not for edubuntu-members though ... | 01:31 |
| ogra | i'm not sure we schould keep the edubuntu team ... it predates edubuntu-members | 01:32 |
| ogra | and has not really any functional use ... | 01:32 |
| rodarvus | actually, I agree with you here. | 01:32 |
| ogra | (apart from perpole declaring they like edubuntu ) | 01:33 |
| rodarvus | lets add this as subject for the next meeting? | 01:33 |
| ogra | ok | 01:33 |
| ogra | i'm not sure how to close a LP team though | 01:33 |
| ogra | or if thats even possible | 01:33 |
| pygi | LP people can probably do it | 01:33 |
| ogra | they ca for sure | 01:34 |
| ogra | *can | 01:34 |
| ogra | but still we'd need to notify the users about *why* we're doing it ... there are many users that never participated in any communication channel (IRC/ML) | 01:34 |
| ogra | i wouldnt like to just kill the team without pushing them a bit into direction of real membership | 01:35 |
| rodarvus | I suppose we can just send a spam to all of the members of Edubuntu | 01:35 |
| ogra | not through LP ... sadly | 01:35 |
| ogra | there is a mailinglist feature for teams panned, but that doesnt work yet | 01:36 |
| ogra | *planned | 01:36 |
| pygi | ogra, we can just remove them from the team and do a comment that we are erasing the team | 01:36 |
| ogra | with a hint to apply for real membership ... yes, that sounds good | 01:36 |
| pygi | indeed | 01:37 |
| pygi | tho, from a lot of people there we havent heard never | 01:37 |
| ogra | yep | 01:37 |
| bimberi | ogra: how about this ... | 01:37 |
| ogra | but that doesnt mean we should loose tem :) | 01:37 |
| ogra | *them | 01:37 |
| bimberi | there's a kubuntu-users team that for "All users of Kubuntu!", how about renaming the edubuntu team to that and let it work the same way | 01:38 |
| pygi | ogra: ofcourse | 01:38 |
| bimberi | s/that/edubuntu-users/ | 01:38 |
| ogra | bimberi, that sounds way better than deleting it ... | 01:38 |
| ogra | and we can still send that notification to make them aware of edubuntu-members :) | 01:39 |
| bimberi | it's just an open team that anyone can join and you never know it might be a way you can contact a group of users in the future | 01:39 |
| ogra | yes, thats one of the desired LP features ... | 01:39 |
| bimberi | (although the mailing list is fine for that :) ) | 01:39 |
| rodarvus | seems like a great idea | 01:40 |
| ogra | yeah | 01:40 |
| bimberi | https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-users (for ref) | 01:40 |
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| ogra | dont use it then :) | 03:06 |
| ogra | rsync /etc/passwd and /etc/groups and /etc/shadow through ssh ;) | 03:06 |
| RichEd | ogra ... ready for some more good OEM news ? | 03:13 |
| RichEd | kc from taiwan has a strong enquiry from Quanta computers for Ubuntu OEM OLPC | 03:15 |
| highvoltage | you can have OEM OLPC's? that's interesting. | 03:17 |
| RichEd | <quote> They will plan a new US $200 OLPC product for richer children and want to know how to bundle ubuntu Linux in any business model. <endquote> | 03:19 |
| highvoltage | cool. | 03:25 |
| ogra | YAY | 03:25 |
| ogra | rodarvus, ^^^^^^^^^^ | 03:25 |
| ogra | RichEd, rodarvus is our OLPC guy :) | 03:25 |
| rodarvus | :) | 03:26 |
| rodarvus | RichEd: thats great news! | 03:26 |
| RichEd | this is forbes.com --- start | 03:27 |
| RichEd | Lam is the billionaire founder and chairman of Taiwan's Quanta Computer. He'll be disappointed if he doesn't ship 4 million notebook units this yearone seventh of all those sold on earth and up 50% from last year. Quanta makes more notebooks than anyone else, but you've probably never heard of it. You do know its customers: Dell, Compaq, Gateway, Apple, HP, IBM, Sony, Sharp, Fujitsu, Siemens. | 03:27 |
| RichEd | this is forbes.com --- end | 03:27 |
| RichEd | :)) | 03:27 |
| rodarvus | RichEd: so this is all public info already? | 03:28 |
| ogra | wow | 03:28 |
| RichEd | an enquiry thus far ... nothing formal as yet ... | 03:29 |
| RichEd | but they are approaching us | 03:29 |
| rodarvus | nice | 03:30 |
| cbx33 | that's cool | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | that's interesting, although i did hear before of a plan to create a very cheap laptop | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | the cheapest you can get here is around $300US | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | and its not even a laptop, but a tiny mobo in a laptop shell with lcd but no battery =( | 03:47 |
| highvoltage | apparently intel is manufacturing a cheap laptop for $400 | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | have you heard of the VIAC3 | 04:08 |
| highvoltage | yep, i'm workign on VIA C3 PC's as we speak. | 04:09 |
| highvoltage | I have a few hundred of them just behind me :) | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | how do you find them | 04:09 |
| highvoltage | we're going to use them for the digital doorway project | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | terminal clients? | 04:09 |
| highvoltage | CSIR bought them from VIA in taiwan. | 04:09 |
| highvoltage | well, they were build to be used as thin clients, we're going to use them for diskless fat clients. | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | yeah theyre the cheapest x86 you can get in this part of the globe | 04:11 |
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| highvoltage | these are Via C3 1ghz with 512MB RAM, and S3 Savage 3D display cards | 04:11 |
| highvoltage | quite nice. | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | are they real 1GHz? | 04:13 |
| bddebian | Howdy | 04:13 |
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| bddebian | Heya jsgotangco | 04:14 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: as far as I can tell | 04:17 |
| highvoltage | cpuinfo says 997 mhz | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | hmm not bad | 04:17 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: those machines will go into these boxes: http://www.digitaldoorway.co.za/ | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | are you building kiosks? | 04:21 |
| highvoltage | kind of. i'm just working on the software side. the metal cages will be built by a contractor. | 04:22 |
| highvoltage | but yes, these are kiosks. | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | but it doesn't have a coin slot right? | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | its unrestricted use? | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | they have a lot of stuff like that in korea, except that theyre more used for communication and info and you have to put coins or your credit card | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | and only has an on screen keyboard | 04:24 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: no, it doesn't have a coin slot, yes, unrestricted use | 04:25 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: interesting | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | and they run win2k! | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | <g> | 04:26 |
| highvoltage | whohoo! a whole win2k license just to browse the web and read e-mail! | 04:27 |
| highvoltage | people seem to love wasting money. | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | yep so there are some terminals that have bsod sometimes | 04:27 |
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| jsgotangco | err what's this meeting? | 05:33 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: hi | 05:34 |
| mhz | Development Team | 05:35 |
| RichEd | mhz: Mr & Mrs RichEd say hi across the atlantic | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | ahh i didnt notice it at all | 05:35 |
| === jsgotangco was busy writing some stuff | ||
| mhz | RichEd: hey!! | 05:35 |
| RichEd | did you get my greetz ? | 05:35 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: well, not to worry | 05:35 |
| RichEd | (mail) | 05:35 |
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| pygi | Burgwork: poke? :) | 05:40 |
| mhz | RichEd: oh, it took me a while to get it back from Trash :) | 05:41 |
| === mhz igsnores, just delete, or mark it as spam when the email subject has either just one word or it is too generic, sorry | ||
| mhz | RichEd: yeah, i got it now ;) | 05:42 |
| RichEd | ??? have you got an autofilter on my mail stright to trash ;) | 05:42 |
| RichEd | just wanted to make contact via email ... so that you send me some LAm info to digest | 05:43 |
| RichEd | no rush ... just passing the ball to you (and off my crowded to do list) | 05:44 |
| mhz | RichEd: nope, this time, it was me manually marking it for delete 'test..' That was the only subject, so I usually give priority to the other 500 daily emails, unless I know either the person or the subject is about | 05:44 |
| isheep | Are you guys the developers of edubuntu? | 05:44 |
| mhz | RichEd: yeah, good idea, esp. after the netsplit yesterday night | 05:44 |
| mhz | some are, isheep | 05:45 |
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| isheep | ok was just wondering sorry | 05:45 |
| mhz | isheep: no sorry | 05:45 |
| isheep | :) | 05:46 |
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| RichEd | isheep, this is where the developers are often to be found ... when they are not too busy | 05:46 |
| RichEd | anything you are looking for ? (in specific) ? | 05:47 |
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| isheep | What kind of media programms do you guys use when you're using ubuntu? i mean the ones that are provided whit edubuntu or are there better alternatives? | 05:47 |
| mhz | RichEd: thx for jumping in | 05:47 |
| === mhz was answering in two channles at the same time and reading ubuntu-meeting :( | ||
| isheep | RichEd: not really just kinda new to IRC/Edubuntu so just looking around:) | 05:47 |
| RichEd | isheep, this is a Edubuntu channel ... Ubuntu questions are best in #ubuntu | 05:48 |
| RichEd | (advising ... not being offish :) | 05:48 |
| mhz | isheep: here's a list of channels related to ubuntu family: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat | 05:48 |
| RichEd | and isheep you'll need to be quite specific ... what sort of media ? ... or better, ask what you are trying to acheive ... | 05:49 |
| isheep | im sorry i ment edubuntu | 05:49 |
| RichEd | okay ... what are you trying to do media wise ? | 05:49 |
| isheep | movies divx ect | 05:49 |
| RichEd | okay ... then try something like: google [movies divx Ubuntu +site:ubuntu.com] | 05:50 |
| RichEd | most of the hardcore people are in a dev meeting right now ... | 05:50 |
| RichEd | but specific google searches give good results if you add the +site tag | 05:50 |
| isheep | cool thanks never knew about that tag | 05:51 |
| ogra | !restricted | 05:51 |
| ubotu | For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats | 05:51 |
| ogra | isheep, ^^^ | 05:51 |
| isheep | but i was more wondering what your 'hardcore' guys use.. | 05:51 |
| mhz | well, i am no hardcore guy, but i try to stay 'free as in freedom' | 05:52 |
| mhz | even if it is a bit painfull | 05:52 |
| isheep | hehe | 05:52 |
| isheep | is the meeting for members only? i would like to see what the topics are :) | 05:55 |
| mhz | isheep: jump in | 05:56 |
| ogra | isheep, its the distro development weekly status meeting ... | 05:56 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060720 has the status info | 05:56 |
| mhz | isheep: all meetings held on #ubuntu-meeting are public | 05:56 |
| mhz | isheep: however, it is faster to read that url | 05:56 |
| isheep | faster? | 05:57 |
| mhz | hmm, faster to get to know what the status is | 06:01 |
| jsgotangco | hardcore eh? | 06:02 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: dont | 06:02 |
| mhz | :D | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | user interfaces! who needs them! | 06:03 |
| mhz | lol | 06:03 |
| mhz | GNOME does | 06:03 |
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| mhz | so I am not much of a reference | 06:03 |
| highvoltage | what is GFS again? | 06:03 |
| ogra | global filesystem | 06:04 |
| highvoltage | mhz: why ion2 and not ion3? | 06:04 |
| highvoltage | ogra: thanks | 06:04 |
| jsgotangco | hmm the bed is calling me | 06:04 |
| mhz | highvoltage: oh, I just apt-got it long ago :D | 06:05 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, and ? do you pick up ? | 06:05 |
| highvoltage | must have been long ago :) | 06:05 |
| mhz | have not upgraded since then | 06:05 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: hit it ;) | 06:05 |
| jsgotangco | im having this weird new age conversation on y!m with this yoga instructor | 06:05 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 06:05 |
| isheep | what motu? | 06:08 |
| highvoltage | isheep: are you asking what a Motu is? | 06:08 |
| isheep | yeah sorry typo | 06:09 |
| highvoltage | Motu stands for Masters of the Universe | 06:09 |
| highvoltage | the Universe is Ubuntu's community supported software repository | 06:09 |
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| isheep | ok thanks | 06:10 |
| highvoltage | often incorrectly refered to as the unsupported repository | 06:10 |
| highvoltage | motu's are responsible for keeping the Universe in shape. | 06:10 |
| isheep | pretty big responsiblity then | 06:10 |
| Petaris | isheep: no kidding, one oops and a sun could explode or a blackhole could suck up the Earth ;p | 06:12 |
| isheep | lol | 06:12 |
| RichEd | or even the unreported suppository ;) | 06:12 |
| isheep | is kamio the guy that arranges everything in #ubuntu-meeting? i dont know the english name for it sorry | 06:13 |
| mhz | Petaris: hehehe, nice | 06:13 |
| mhz | isheep: where are you from? | 06:14 |
| isheep | the netherlands | 06:14 |
| mhz | oh, send me some CDs ! | 06:14 |
| mhz | just kidding | 06:14 |
| isheep | hehe | 06:14 |
| Petaris | mhz: :) | 06:14 |
| isheep | first guy that diddnt ask me to send weed ;) | 06:14 |
| Petaris | haha | 06:15 |
| isheep | honestly :P | 06:15 |
| mhz | nope, weed can be gotten here in LAtinamerica, and nope, I dont do weed, I just do CDs :D | 06:15 |
| isheep | hehehe | 06:15 |
| ogra | mhz, dont they burn really awful if you put them into tobacco ? | 06:16 |
| mhz | LOL! | 06:16 |
| isheep | what kind of "people" are using edubuntu | 06:16 |
| mhz | mostly, Labs at schools | 06:16 |
| mhz | or teachers, or parents | 06:16 |
| isheep | you guys arrent using edubuntu? | 06:17 |
| mhz | personally, my 2 kids use Edubuntu apps, at least 3 times a week | 06:17 |
| mhz | hehe, yeah! I am | 06:17 |
| isheep | hehe well why edubuntu en not ubuntu then? | 06:17 |
| mhz | because, the approach of edubuntu is best to my needs | 06:18 |
| mhz | edubuntu is aimed towards education purposes | 06:18 |
| isheep | ok | 06:18 |
| mhz | I teach old people to use the mouse, the PC, | 06:18 |
| isheep | nice | 06:19 |
| mhz | I envourage young learners to use many interesting apps | 06:19 |
| mhz | encourage | 06:19 |
| mhz | plus, I need the LTSP fact | 06:19 |
| isheep | what media apps for movies/music do you advise for someone who's kinda new to the pc? (me) honestly first time i have internet :) | 06:20 |
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| mhz | one = best one | 06:21 |
| Petaris | isheep: I have one edubuntu lab installed (25 clients) and one being implemented now (25 clients) | 06:21 |
| Petaris | :) | 06:21 |
| isheep | hm ok but do you sugest anything? | 06:21 |
| isheep | Petaris: nice! | 06:21 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: i'll give mrs lopez an intro & nudge email tomorrow to answer when she is back from NY City | 06:23 |
| RichEd | we must look at next steps - ( other than the Linux conference proposal) | 06:23 |
| === RichEd needs to go out for dinner and spend some time with the family | ||
| RichEd | so until tomorrow edubunteros ... it's goodbye from Africa | 06:24 |
| isheep | RichEd: have fun :) | 06:24 |
| pygi | enjoy RichEd | 06:25 |
| ogra | ciao RichEd | 06:26 |
| rodarvus | RichEd: enjoy | 06:26 |
| RichEd | will send greetz to janeW from all | 06:26 |
| rodarvus | this developers meeting was quite confusing, without the pastes. | 06:26 |
| rodarvus | ogra^^ | 06:27 |
| rodarvus | :) | 06:27 |
| rodarvus | sorry for not giving context | 06:27 |
| RichEd | sorry ... just a quickie ... anyone going to the marketing meeting tonight ? | 06:27 |
| ogra | rodarvus, yeah, i didnt like it at all | 06:27 |
| ogra | RichEd, whats a marketing meeting ? | 06:27 |
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| ogra | i silbs leading it ? | 06:28 |
| ogra | *is | 06:28 |
| RichEd | ogra: well then they are not doing a good job of self promotion ;) | 06:28 |
| ogra | hmm, the fridge hanst one set either | 06:28 |
| ogra | RichEd, not even with scheduling it seems :) | 06:29 |
| RichEd | ah ... wrong date ... | 06:29 |
| ogra | yeah, its tomorrow :) | 06:29 |
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| ogra | nah, tats not worth it :) | 06:29 |
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| RichEd | quietly even :P | 06:30 |
| ogra | :) | 06:30 |
| RichEd | quite quietly | 06:31 |
| mhz | RichEd: i am going to Marketing Meeting | 06:33 |
| RichEd | it is tomorrow not tonight ? | 06:34 |
| ogra | according to the calendar its tomorrow | 06:35 |
| RichEd | okay tx | 06:35 |
| mhz | oh, yeah | 06:40 |
| mhz | tomorrow, firday at 15:00 in Chile | 06:40 |
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| === mhz must be the only one not comfrotable with meetings being held in the middle of day | ||
| mhz | th1a: hi there | 06:41 |
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| th1a | hi mhz | 06:41 |
| === mhz remembers th1a efforts in SchoolTool | ||
| th1a | That's what I do. | 06:42 |
| mhz | yeah, and I am glad you do it | 06:42 |
| th1a | I just got back from the first SchoolTool sprint, which was a raging success. | 06:42 |
| highvoltage | yay! | 06:42 |
| mhz | ogra: nothing to do but, yesterday I was "evangelising' about the use and power of python (you know I am totally ignorant about it) to a programmer. I missed not having an url I could reccomend for him to know about what he can do with python regarding DBs and other impressive stuff | 06:43 |
| mhz | th1a: congrats! | 06:44 |
| th1a | Thanks. The goal for the day is to write up the results and lessons in more detail. | 06:44 |
| th1a | We basically managed to do a long-needed redesign of navigation in the web interface the first day and implement a big chunk of it in the second. | 06:45 |
| mhz | wow | 06:45 |
| mhz | sounds lot of work | 06:45 |
| mhz | how many people in the sprint | 06:45 |
| mhz | ? | 06:45 |
| th1a | Well, two of our core developers, | 06:46 |
| th1a | plus two developers who work on CanDo, which is a competency tracking application for SchoolTool. | 06:46 |
| cbx33 | th1a, sounds great | 06:46 |
| th1a | All the CanDo developers are students or former students of Jeff Elkner, who has also been somewhat involved with Edubuntu. | 06:47 |
| mhz | yup | 06:47 |
| th1a | We also had three of his younger (14 & 15 yr. old) students there. | 06:47 |
| mhz | CanDo? ooh, I forgot about it | 06:48 |
| th1a | We did the sprint at a regional grassroots conference for open source in schools: http://nelinux.net | 06:48 |
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| th1a | It is organized by Matt Oquist, who you might also know from Software Freedom Day and other project. | 06:49 |
| th1a | projects. | 06:49 |
| th1a | So we got some feedback from other conference attendees at the beginning of the conference and presented our work at the end. | 06:49 |
| th1a | It seemed like a great way to do a sprint & get teachers & school IT people engaged in the project. | 06:50 |
| mhz | COOL! idea | 06:50 |
| th1a | Yes, it worked even better than I'd hoped. | 06:50 |
| mhz | gee! I just hope soon, we have many people doing interesting stuff in Latinamerica (hopefully in Chile) so we can get together and do stuff like that | 06:51 |
| th1a | It is the first time I've really felt like I've had a breakthrough in how to get open source hackers and educators working together. | 06:51 |
| th1a | Plus it really pushes the sprinters to want to have something substantial done to show off ;-) | 06:52 |
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| mhz | indeed, very good idea | 06:52 |
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| cbx33 | hi all | 07:34 |
| cbx33 | ping LaserJock | 07:34 |
| bddebian | Hello cbx33 | 07:35 |
| cbx33 | hey bddebian | 07:35 |
| cbx33 | how are you | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 07:42 |
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| cbx33 | hi LaserJock | 07:47 |
| cbx33 | howz it going | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | well, I | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to figure out how to do a calendar on the wiki | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | or somewhere | 07:52 |
| cbx33 | LP does a calendar doesn't it? | 07:53 |
| pygi | cbx33: aha | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | what ? | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | :p | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: not really the way we need | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | I can make my own personal calendar | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | ok.....sorry | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | but I need more of a collaborative one | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | when i have downlaoded a dsc, orig.tar.gz and diff | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | how do i make the source tree so I can build the binary pacakge? | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | debuild <what> ? | 07:56 |
| crimsun | you've downloaded the source package already, so all you need to do is pbuild/sbuild it. | 07:57 |
| crimsun | pbuilder build foo.dsc | 07:57 |
| crimsun | debuild is only relevant from within an extracted source package | 07:57 |
| crimsun | (you can extract it with: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc) | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | ah ok | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | ah ok | 08:00 |
| cbx33 | thanks crimsun | 08:00 |
| highvoltage | ogra: are you familiar with a German organisation called 50 from North? | 08:03 |
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| juliux | highvoltage, hi, do you have a link? | 08:05 |
| highvoltage | juliux: unfortunately no, I tried googling it too. | 08:08 |
| juliux | highvoltage, ok | 08:08 |
| highvoltage | at the guest house I'm staying, is a guy called Johannes, I don't know his surname | 08:08 |
| highvoltage | he's from and organisation called 50 from North, and open source organisation in Germany, he says they're planning a big conference in Switzerland later this year. | 08:09 |
| juliux | never heard anything about them | 08:09 |
| Petaris | highvoltage: ask him for a url | 08:10 |
| Petaris | :) | 08:10 |
| juliux | highvoltage, which url is his e-mail account? | 08:10 |
| Petaris | fiftyfromnorth.org or something | 08:10 |
| highvoltage | ok, i'll ask him tomorrow | 08:12 |
| Petaris | highvoltage | 08:12 |
| Petaris | http://www.52north.org/ | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | juliux: I don't know, I just talked to him the first time tonight :) | 08:13 |
| Petaris | 52north | 08:13 |
| Petaris | :) | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | aaaah | 08:13 |
| juliux | hm mnster is not in the north of germany ;) | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | i remembered it was '50 to north' or '50 from north' or something :) | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | yeah he said he's at Meunster university | 08:13 |
| juliux | hm strange there are from germany but they dont have a germany website | 08:14 |
| Petaris | netcraft says its german | 08:15 |
| Petaris | er, located in Germany | 08:15 |
| highvoltage | yes, I even searched or the site with google.de and found nothing, then again, I searched for the wrong things (ended up with 50 cent ringtones, etc) | 08:15 |
| juliux | Petaris, the site is not in german ;) | 08:15 |
| Petaris | no | 08:15 |
| Petaris | its not | 08:15 |
| Petaris | but | 08:15 |
| juliux | highvoltage, and what does he want from you? | 08:15 |
| Petaris | http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.52north.org | 08:16 |
| highvoltage | juliux: nothing, we just chatted, we were at the same table during dinner | 08:16 |
| juliux | ah | 08:16 |
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| Burgwork | pygi, pong | 08:16 |
| Petaris | I like their website design | 08:16 |
| cbx33 | ogra, your rsyncer script has problems | 08:17 |
| cbx33 | :S | 08:17 |
| Petaris | FOSS4G2006 - Free and Open Source Software for Geoinfromatics: September 12 - 15, 2006 in Lausanne, Switzerland. | 08:17 |
| highvoltage | juliux: i talk to a lot of people who want nothing from me, and I want nothing from them, I'm a bit of a compulsive friend maker :) | 08:17 |
| juliux | highvoltage, hehe | 08:17 |
| ogra | cbx33, ? | 08:20 |
| ogra | cbx33, i used it the last 5 days very excessive :) | 08:20 |
| cbx33 | :S | 08:20 |
| pygi | Burgwork:hey, how are you? | 08:20 |
| Burgwork | pygi, not bad | 08:21 |
| pygi | Burgwork: got response :) | 08:21 |
| pygi | End of his semester, he will work hard to catch up with things | 08:21 |
| pygi | he will also report to dholbach | 08:21 |
| pygi | talked with dholbach, told him that | 08:21 |
| Burgwork | perfect | 08:21 |
| pygi | o my, I started doing reports !!! | 08:21 |
| cbx33 | ogra, pm'd you my problems | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 08:22 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: where can i download it? is it in universe yet? | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | not yet | 08:22 |
| Petaris | I need to figure out this scroll wheel issue | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | and good job, it doesn't seem to work with the new rsyncer script | 08:22 |
| Petaris | If I move the scroll wheel on my mouse the cursor flys to the right side of the screen | 08:23 |
| Petaris | its odd | 08:23 |
| highvoltage | are you using ps2 or imps2 driver? | 08:24 |
| Petaris | usually it either works or doesn't, but doesn't usually send the cursor flying | 08:24 |
| highvoltage | that happened to me previously with a plain ps2 driver | 08:24 |
| Petaris | explorerps2 | 08:24 |
| Petaris | should I change it to just ps/2 | 08:24 |
| highvoltage | perhaps the imps2 | 08:24 |
| highvoltage | hmmm.. I wonder if that's still in use | 08:25 |
| highvoltage | my xorg.conf says ExplorerPS/2 too. | 08:25 |
| highvoltage | Petaris: I don't know anymore, seems like things have changed :) | 08:26 |
| highvoltage | i suppose trying another driver would be worth while though. | 08:26 |
| mhz_work | Petaris: yeah...have had same issue | 08:27 |
| mhz_work | only in ubuntu flavours | 08:27 |
| mhz_work | well, maybe, it is xorg thing | 08:27 |
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| mhz_work | and it was Xfree time | 08:27 |
| Petaris | hrm | 08:29 |
| Petaris | does the same with imps/2 and ps/2 | 08:29 |
| Petaris | odd | 08:29 |
| mhz_work | Petaris: and when using a brand of mouse 'omega' (ps/2 optical cheap model), if i touchded the mouse, it would fly away and no respond anymore | 08:29 |
| Petaris | hrm | 08:31 |
| Petaris | very odd | 08:31 |
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| LaserJock | or maybe I should have asked here | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | hi LaserJock | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | hi highvoltage | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | what should you have asked here? | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | see -devel | 09:37 |
| highvoltage | i'm not on -devel atm | 09:37 |
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| LaserJock | tough luck then :) | 09:38 |
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| LaserJock | debian isn't happy abut some ltsp changes | 09:39 |
| highvoltage | aah | 09:39 |
| highvoltage | are they ever? :) | 09:39 |
| pygi | !!! | 09:39 |
| ubotu | I know nothing about !! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu | 09:39 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: you have a link? or was it in a mailing list? | 09:40 |
| pygi | ergh, this bot always do that | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | pygi: you need to say something before the !!!! ;-) | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: have no idea, ogra just mentioned it on -devel | 09:40 |
| pygi | LaserJock: you mean after? :p | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | before | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | i'm interested to see what they're unhappy about, since ogra and mdz and crew were so cautios to do everythin in-line with debian policy | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | ~ | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | ~ | 09:41 |
| pygi | HM,oki, then some things changed :P | 09:41 |
| ogra | highvoltage, see #ltsp | 09:41 |
| ogra | the discussion of the last 30 min | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | ok | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | pygi: you need to say somethine before the !!! so the bot doesn't think you are talking to it | 09:42 |
| ogra | vagrantc isnt happy about copying the sshkeys on every ifup we run | 09:42 |
| pygi | LaserJock: ofcourse, ofcourse :) | 09:42 |
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| highvoltage | i see | 09:43 |
| highvoltage | ogra: but there's not any security risk, is there? and it doesn't break any debian policy either. | 09:44 |
| highvoltage | it's just a bit weird, and ltsp sometimes call for some weirdness. | 09:44 |
| ogra | nope there is no risk ... | 09:46 |
| ogra | apart from bugs that might be in the code ... | 09:46 |
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| mhz_work | highvoltage: have you seen the EPIC video about Googlezon? | 09:56 |
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| pygi | HedgeMage: poke | 10:03 |
| HedgeMage | hiya pygi | 10:04 |
| pygi | whats wrong with your jabber? :P | 10:04 |
| HedgeMage | PEBKAC | 10:05 |
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| Burgwork | ogra, do we have any specs for session cleanup and timing? | 11:13 |
| ogra | timing ? | 11:13 |
| Burgwork | controlling time | 11:14 |
| ogra | you mean logging out a user after a specific given time ? | 11:15 |
| Burgwork | yep | 11:15 |
| ogra | i have a tool from linus for that ... | 11:15 |
| Burgwork | via integrating timeoutd | 11:15 |
| ogra | but its not licensed | 11:16 |
| Burgwork | timeoutd is in the debian repos | 11:16 |
| ogra | and he never answered my request ti give me a license ... | 11:16 |
| ogra | hrm ... | 11:16 |
| ogra | i'm not really fond of adding a new daemon for such a simple task ... | 11:16 |
| ogra | also thats big enough to require a spec, s no edgy material | 11:16 |
| Burgwork | http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/admin/timeoutd | 11:16 |
| Burgwork | yep | 11:17 |
| Burgwork | I understand that | 11:17 |
| Burgwork | ultimately, you need a daemon to do session cleanup, however | 11:17 |
| Burgwork | and process teardown, etc. | 11:17 |
| ogra | does that work in any way with ssh tunneled sessions ? | 11:17 |
| ogra | doesnt seem like | 11:17 |
| Burgwork | hmm | 11:18 |
| Burgwork | lets talk more indepth at the next ubuntu conference | 11:18 |
| ogra | timeoutd can restrict local users, local X11-users and remote users via | 11:18 |
| ogra | telnet/SSH for a maximum of their session, max. day, idle or no login at | 11:18 |
| ogra | all. | 11:18 |
| ogra | aha | 11:18 |
| ogra | so it can | 11:18 |
| Burgwork | we can have a bof on edubuntu in a public computer environment | 11:18 |
| ogra | that should become a SCP feature | 11:18 |
| Burgwork | yep | 11:19 |
| Burgwork | can scp control what profiles are assigned to waht students? (via pessulus and sabayon)? | 11:20 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/StudentControlPanelCompletion | 11:21 |
| === pygi thinks he doesn't have much more time to work on plugin feature :P | ||
| Burgwork | so many things, so little time | 11:22 |
| Burgwork | I also want to talk about sane ways for anonymous use | 11:23 |
| Burgwork | currently DS does not create a user for each person that logs in | 11:24 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/gdm-guest-login ? | 11:25 |
| Burgwork | perfect | 11:28 |
| ogra | not approved | 11:29 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I emailed one of the sabayon admins about what I'd like to do to see how feasible it is and possibly get some direction/help | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | s/admins/developers/ | 11:30 |
| ogra | and ? | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | haven't gotten a reply yet | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | I sent it off this morning | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | I'm a little concerned with the lack of activity, but that could be just because everybody is busy at red hat | 11:31 |
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| ogra | well, it should still be maintained | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | It seems like a feature they'd be interested in having so I hope I can get them excited and I can provide patches | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | but I'm don't think I can realisticlly do the whole thing by myself | 11:33 |
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| LaserJock | it seems like it will require some pretty large changes (handling more than one profile/user) | 11:34 |
| ogra | well, lest see how far we get with upstream ... else lets look at our package :) | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I agree | 11:35 |
| mhz | ogra: when you build an edubuntu cd, | 11:44 |
| mhz | how do you tell (before) the total size it will have | 11:45 |
| mhz | ? | 11:45 |
| ogra | have a look at the germinate program | 11:45 |
| ogra | (usually i'm not using it and guess by experience, but that tool is able to tell you exact sizes) | 11:46 |
| mhz | ogra: okis, i'll take a look at | 11:48 |
| mhz | oh, germinate does use python-apt | 11:51 |
| mhz | python, python, python | 11:51 |
| mhz | it is everywhere | 11:51 |
| mhz | tsktsktsktsk | 12:01 |
| mhz | highvoltage: still awake? | 12:02 |
| mhz | ogra: http://www.unabvirtual.edu.co/epic/index.html | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | mhz: that's because python rocks ;-) | 12:12 |
| mhz | LaserJock: yeah, eventhough I am python (or any coding) ignorant, I know python rocks | 12:13 |
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