[12:15] nn all [12:16] crimsun: so, could read the info (urls)? [12:16] cbx33: nn [12:16] mhz: yes (phone conference presently) [12:16] mhz, what was that question? [12:17] hehehe [12:17] cbx33: oooh, sorry, it was crimsun [12:17] mhz: what sort of [free] workshops have you guys/gals held for said teachers?\ [12:18] crimsun: i did not get that [12:18] grrrr [12:18] :p [12:18] hehe [12:18] see pm [12:18] mhz, [12:18] later all [12:19] mhz: Have you held any workshops/gatherings/presentations for teachers? [12:19] crimsun: yes I have [12:19] about 7 [12:19] in last 9 months [12:20] oh, sorry, crimsun ... about 19 edubuntu demos, 7 talks/presentations [12:23] mhz: what kind of feedback/response did you get from those teachers? [12:24] crimsum: a) ooh, good, I want that too but how is this diff from Edulinux [12:24] crimsun: b) hmm, I have no computers and can't afford them, Can you also provide them [12:25] "the one on JaneW looks sexy" <- so we agree on many things [12:25] crimsun: c) cool! Please go to my school. I go there, and there are about 40 students in a class, and the lab has only 10 pcs, Pentium II [12:25] but sharing goes only so far ;) [12:25] RichEd: LOL!!! [12:25] and not further [12:25] goodnight all ... off to bed ... [12:26] mhz: not too dissimilar from the responses I've received. [12:26] goodnight RichEd [12:26] nn, RichEd === RichEd wonders if LaserJock has a LaserBootStrap [12:27] crimsun: yeah, it is incredible how similar it goes allover the world [12:27] education areas are too abandoned, even in Universities [12:27] there is a huge MONOculture === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-132-138.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["~] [12:30] darn, that was rather funny. To bad he left === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [12:36] hehehe, Laser_away === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:52] Hello [01:52] bddebian: hi there [01:53] hi bddebian [01:54] Hi mhz, HedgeMage [01:55] HedgeMage: TT, sleeping yet/ [01:55] mhz: nope, not for 3-4 more hours :) [01:55] eeek, then it is time you fetch him a nice keyboard === mhz is now known as mhz_food [01:57] hehe [01:58] I finally got hubby's permission to dual-boot his old desktop so TT has a Linux computer to use regularly. [01:58] hopefully going all-edubuntu eventually [01:58] yay!! === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@p54AEEEF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:28] hmm, we should be in http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/48 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/Summary_18JULY2006 [03:30] we? 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[08:38] where when you shoot molecules with lots and lots of photons you actually start slowing them down [08:38] we have a project in my lab that does some similar stuff [08:38] highvoltage: did you change your jabber? [08:38] we want to trap the molecules and then use the laser to start them spinning [08:38] highvoltage: jabberafrica.org doesn't exist anymore right? [08:40] LaserJock: wow. does your lab/institute have a website? [08:41] jsgotangco: yes, it doesn't exist anymore [08:41] jsgotangco: i'm now jonathan@jabber.org [08:41] highvoltage: not with info on that project [08:41] what happens when you make molekules spin in a stationary position? [08:41] do you build small engines and stuff? [08:42] we will turn them into gyroscopes [08:42] all spinning in the same direction [08:42] they you can shoot them at other molecules ;-) [08:42] ah yes. I remember some things you explained to me about the direction that molecules spin in. [08:43] geepers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbocaj/192436679 === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-239-157.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_zZzZ === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === RichEd waves hello [09:21] hey RichEd [09:21] 'lo Burgundavia [09:22] pretty quiet here ... all code complete & all children educated then ? [09:22] ;) [09:23] nope [09:23] merely the quiet time as NA is asleep and EU not yet up [09:23] okay ... so i am in africa (sort of in the middle) and you ? [09:24] morning all [09:24] west coast of Canada, Victoria BC [09:24] hey pygi [09:24] RichEd: you are in Cape Town? [09:25] yebo :) [09:26] if I have the money/time, I am planning to travel back to SA and see the family. I should stop in an bug the shuttleworth/canonical/hbd crew [09:28] RichEd: so did you get to read my email [09:28] RichEd: ignore the conference reply thing btw [09:29] jsgotangco: hi there :) [09:29] doesnt fall in our scope to say the least [09:29] sure did ... get the mail thanks ... [09:29] RichEd: so did i pass the "good military report" thing [09:29] cool === jsgotangco takes a short break [09:29] night all [09:29] just to get my head straight ... this was discussion #2 - Lopez [09:29] yeah [09:29] night Burgundavia ... [09:30] so you just used the general format suggested for #1 :) [09:30] lol [09:30] i thought it fit well [09:30] initiative & reuse ... you'll make a good soldier lad ! === RichEd flips windows to do get some to-do's off his list ... mention me by name if you need me in the next while === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:38] mornin all [09:39] hey cbx33 [09:39] hi pygi === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu [09:51] whats up cbx33? :) [09:56] hmmm...waiting for gisomount to get into universe [09:56] it's been approved on REVU [09:57] oh ! === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-230-18.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089C912.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [12:03] anyone have any idea how can I get ahold of my freenode password? :P === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089C912.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] Burgwork: any chance you are here? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ppp-44-185.grapevine.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] observation: when a windows application crashes, and it asks if i would like to send a bug report, my first reaction is "no way" ... i have just had my first Ubuntu (evolution) crash, and when i got the same request, i am more than happy to send it, and hope that it helps them in future. [12:48] :) [12:51] RichEd: And what you learned out of it? :) === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] i dont agree with that [12:52] rodarvus, ! [12:52] if its a serious bug in a windows application, im more than happy to report it [12:52] because im not the only one whose going to benefit when it gets fixed (hopefully) [12:54] good morning [12:55] hi ogra! [12:55] yes, but there is always a feeling that the people at MS are looking too deply into your personal details [12:55] it may be a predjudice on my behalf, but i'm sure i am not the only one ! [12:56] rodarvus, i'd like a opinion about a change i plan in ltsp [12:56] pygi : i feel glad to be part of a community ... not a consumer of a corporate product [12:56] ogra: go ahead :) [12:57] jim morrison said: the police are supposed to look over us, now they look at us <- i guess that's how i feel about the "MS commercial machine" [12:57] rodarvus, we constantly have problems with people changing their IP on the ltsp server and not being able to login afterwards because they forget to run ltsp-update-sshkeys [12:58] rodarvus, the idea is to add a /etc/network/if-up.d/ script that generates them every time the interface comes up (afer te IP is set) [12:58] RichEd: :) [12:59] ogra: seems quite sane, imho - we just need to check if LTSP is setup before running the script [12:59] that will slow down the interface configuration a bit but would guarantee that the keys are always in pace [12:59] but otherwise, should be ok [01:00] rodarvus, ltsp-update-sshkeys already has these checks in my local branch ... i also switched it to use logger for its output, so we have feedback in /var/log/messages [01:00] /var/log/messages is probably not a good place for that [01:00] ok, if you think thats sane, i'll do the switch [01:00] thast what logger uses by default [01:01] correct, but only by default :) [01:01] i can use logger -f with any file you like, which would be your preferred one ? [01:02] daemon.log ? syslog ? [01:03] there is no ltsp specific log, yet? [01:03] waht for ? [01:03] theo only things that could log there would be dhcpd or sshd [01:03] but they log in daemon log anyway [01:03] yes, overkill, indeed [01:04] I was just wondering it would be nice to have a central place to have ltsp-related logs to go (such as we have for samba, apache, squid, etc) [01:04] (ssh even scatters its info over daemon and auth log) [01:04] i had that for the installer, but even there Kamion asked me to make it included into the main installer log [01:05] right [01:05] (which i'm not really fond of ... having a separate ltsp log there would be a lot easier than grepping) [01:06] maybe syslog [01:06] but the in-target function of the installer seems to not allow that ... i was thinking of parallel logging to a separate log *inside* of ltsp-build-client [01:06] as its a semi-generic system event [01:07] (which would mean we have a /var/log/ltsp-build.log in the target system after install [01:07] this is weird. as i'm reading ogra and rodarvus's text i'm hearing it in their accents in my head. [01:07] ok, putting it in sslog [01:07] *syslog [01:07] highvoltage, hehe === highvoltage takes a break [01:09] haha [01:10] highvoltage: apparently you really need a break :D === ogra wonders if debian will slay him for that /etc/network/if-up.d/ change ... its not helpful if you use xdmcp [01:11] well, we don't use xdmcp [01:11] but they do in some setups [01:12] but its up to them, they can add a preseedable debconf option to ltsp-server to not install the script ... [01:17] RichEd: that ("i feel glad to be part of a community ... not a consumer of a corporate product") is so very very well put! [01:18] bimberi: it's just us ... in my olde worlde it was us & them [01:20] :) [01:22] yes, there's a very different _feel_ about using Free software [01:31] ogra: is edubuntu-membership also free-for-all (as with edubuntu-testers?) [01:31] for the edubuntu team, yes ... not for edubuntu-members though ... [01:32] i'm not sure we schould keep the edubuntu team ... it predates edubuntu-members [01:32] and has not really any functional use ... [01:32] actually, I agree with you here. [01:33] (apart from perpole declaring they like edubuntu ) [01:33] lets add this as subject for the next meeting? [01:33] ok [01:33] i'm not sure how to close a LP team though [01:33] or if thats even possible [01:33] LP people can probably do it [01:34] they ca for sure [01:34] *can [01:34] but still we'd need to notify the users about *why* we're doing it ... there are many users that never participated in any communication channel (IRC/ML) [01:35] i wouldnt like to just kill the team without pushing them a bit into direction of real membership [01:35] I suppose we can just send a spam to all of the members of Edubuntu [01:35] not through LP ... sadly [01:36] there is a mailinglist feature for teams panned, but that doesnt work yet [01:36] *planned [01:36] ogra, we can just remove them from the team and do a comment that we are erasing the team [01:36] with a hint to apply for real membership ... yes, that sounds good [01:37] indeed [01:37] tho, from a lot of people there we havent heard never [01:37] yep [01:37] ogra: how about this ... [01:37] but that doesnt mean we should loose tem :) [01:37] *them [01:38] there's a kubuntu-users team that for "All users of Kubuntu!", how about renaming the edubuntu team to that and let it work the same way [01:38] ogra: ofcourse [01:38] s/that/edubuntu-users/ [01:38] bimberi, that sounds way better than deleting it ... [01:39] and we can still send that notification to make them aware of edubuntu-members :) [01:39] it's just an open team that anyone can join and you never know it might be a way you can contact a group of users in the future [01:39] yes, thats one of the desired LP features ... [01:39] (although the mailing list is fine for that :) ) [01:40] seems like a great idea [01:40] yeah [01:40] https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-users (for ref) === ogra rebotts to test the ltsp change === Yagisan [n=jamie@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage is still finding ldap incredibly difficult [03:06] dont use it then :) [03:06] rsync /etc/passwd and /etc/groups and /etc/shadow through ssh ;) [03:13] ogra ... ready for some more good OEM news ? [03:15] kc from taiwan has a strong enquiry from Quanta computers for Ubuntu OEM OLPC [03:17] you can have OEM OLPC's? that's interesting. [03:19] They will plan a new US $200 OLPC product for richer children and want to know how to bundle ubuntu Linux in any business model. [03:25] cool. [03:25] YAY [03:25] rodarvus, ^^^^^^^^^^ [03:25] RichEd, rodarvus is our OLPC guy :) [03:26] :) [03:26] RichEd: thats great news! [03:27] this is forbes.com --- start [03:27] Lam is the billionaire founder and chairman of Taiwan's Quanta Computer. He'll be disappointed if he doesn't ship 4 million notebook units this yearone seventh of all those sold on earth and up 50% from last year. Quanta makes more notebooks than anyone else, but you've probably never heard of it. You do know its customers: Dell, Compaq, Gateway, Apple, HP, IBM, Sony, Sharp, Fujitsu, Siemens. [03:27] this is forbes.com --- end [03:27] :)) [03:28] RichEd: so this is all public info already? [03:28] wow [03:29] an enquiry thus far ... nothing formal as yet ... [03:29] but they are approaching us [03:30] nice [03:44] that's cool [03:46] that's interesting, although i did hear before of a plan to create a very cheap laptop [03:46] the cheapest you can get here is around $300US [03:47] and its not even a laptop, but a tiny mobo in a laptop shell with lcd but no battery =( [04:06] apparently intel is manufacturing a cheap laptop for $400 [04:08] have you heard of the VIAC3 [04:09] yep, i'm workign on VIA C3 PC's as we speak. [04:09] I have a few hundred of them just behind me :) [04:09] how do you find them [04:09] we're going to use them for the digital doorway project [04:09] terminal clients? [04:09] CSIR bought them from VIA in taiwan. [04:10] well, they were build to be used as thin clients, we're going to use them for diskless fat clients. [04:11] yeah theyre the cheapest x86 you can get in this part of the globe === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:11] these are Via C3 1ghz with 512MB RAM, and S3 Savage 3D display cards [04:11] quite nice. [04:13] are they real 1GHz? [04:13] Howdy === jsgotangco bows at bddebian [04:14] Heya jsgotangco [04:17] jsgotangco: as far as I can tell [04:17] cpuinfo says 997 mhz [04:17] hmm not bad [04:20] jsgotangco: those machines will go into these boxes: http://www.digitaldoorway.co.za/ [04:21] are you building kiosks? [04:22] kind of. i'm just working on the software side. the metal cages will be built by a contractor. [04:22] but yes, these are kiosks. [04:23] but it doesn't have a coin slot right? [04:23] its unrestricted use? [04:24] they have a lot of stuff like that in korea, except that theyre more used for communication and info and you have to put coins or your credit card [04:24] and only has an on screen keyboard [04:25] jsgotangco: no, it doesn't have a coin slot, yes, unrestricted use [04:26] jsgotangco: interesting [04:26] and they run win2k! [04:26] [04:27] whohoo! a whole win2k license just to browse the web and read e-mail! [04:27] people seem to love wasting money. [04:27] yep so there are some terminals that have bsod sometimes === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@pc-84-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu === sankar [n=sankarsh@59.92.169.72] has joined #edubuntu === sankar is now known as sankarshan === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.169.72] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [05:33] err what's this meeting? [05:34] jsgotangco: hi [05:35] Development Team [05:35] mhz: Mr & Mrs RichEd say hi across the atlantic [05:35] ahh i didnt notice it at all === jsgotangco was busy writing some stuff [05:35] RichEd: hey!! [05:35] did you get my greetz ? [05:35] jsgotangco: well, not to worry [05:35] (mail) === isheep [i=isheep@cc1027458-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-232-85.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [05:40] Burgwork: poke? :) [05:41] RichEd: oh, it took me a while to get it back from Trash :) === mhz igsnores, just delete, or mark it as spam when the email subject has either just one word or it is too generic, sorry [05:42] RichEd: yeah, i got it now ;) [05:42] ??? have you got an autofilter on my mail stright to trash ;) [05:43] just wanted to make contact via email ... so that you send me some LAm info to digest [05:44] no rush ... just passing the ball to you (and off my crowded to do list) [05:44] RichEd: nope, this time, it was me manually marking it for delete 'test..' That was the only subject, so I usually give priority to the other 500 daily emails, unless I know either the person or the subject is about [05:44] Are you guys the developers of edubuntu? [05:44] RichEd: yeah, good idea, esp. after the netsplit yesterday night [05:45] some are, isheep === jsgotangco yawns [05:45] ok was just wondering sorry [05:45] isheep: no sorry [05:46] :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd loads geek2human module to parse strange lexicon [05:46] isheep, this is where the developers are often to be found ... when they are not too busy [05:47] anything you are looking for ? (in specific) ? === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [05:47] What kind of media programms do you guys use when you're using ubuntu? i mean the ones that are provided whit edubuntu or are there better alternatives? [05:47] RichEd: thx for jumping in === mhz was answering in two channles at the same time and reading ubuntu-meeting :( [05:47] RichEd: not really just kinda new to IRC/Edubuntu so just looking around:) [05:48] isheep, this is a Edubuntu channel ... Ubuntu questions are best in #ubuntu [05:48] (advising ... not being offish :) [05:48] isheep: here's a list of channels related to ubuntu family: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat [05:49] and isheep you'll need to be quite specific ... what sort of media ? ... or better, ask what you are trying to acheive ... [05:49] im sorry i ment edubuntu [05:49] okay ... what are you trying to do media wise ? [05:49] movies divx ect [05:50] okay ... then try something like: google [movies divx Ubuntu +site:ubuntu.com] [05:50] most of the hardcore people are in a dev meeting right now ... [05:50] but specific google searches give good results if you add the +site tag [05:51] cool thanks never knew about that tag [05:51] !restricted [05:51] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [05:51] isheep, ^^^ [05:51] but i was more wondering what your 'hardcore' guys use.. [05:52] well, i am no hardcore guy, but i try to stay 'free as in freedom' [05:52] even if it is a bit painfull [05:52] hehe [05:55] is the meeting for members only? i would like to see what the topics are :) [05:56] isheep: jump in [05:56] isheep, its the distro development weekly status meeting ... [05:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060720 has the status info [05:56] isheep: all meetings held on #ubuntu-meeting are public [05:56] isheep: however, it is faster to read that url [05:57] faster? [06:01] hmm, faster to get to know what the status is [06:02] hardcore eh? [06:02] jsgotangco: dont [06:02] :D [06:03] user interfaces! who needs them! [06:03] lol [06:03] GNOME does === mhz uses ion2 [06:03] so I am not much of a reference [06:03] what is GFS again? [06:04] global filesystem [06:04] mhz: why ion2 and not ion3? [06:04] ogra: thanks [06:04] hmm the bed is calling me [06:05] highvoltage: oh, I just apt-got it long ago :D [06:05] jsgotangco, and ? do you pick up ? [06:05] must have been long ago :) [06:05] have not upgraded since then [06:05] jsgotangco: hit it ;) [06:05] im having this weird new age conversation on y!m with this yoga instructor [06:05] lol [06:08] what motu? [06:08] isheep: are you asking what a Motu is? [06:09] yeah sorry typo [06:09] Motu stands for Masters of the Universe [06:09] the Universe is Ubuntu's community supported software repository === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [06:10] ok thanks [06:10] often incorrectly refered to as the unsupported repository [06:10] motu's are responsible for keeping the Universe in shape. [06:10] pretty big responsiblity then [06:12] isheep: no kidding, one oops and a sun could explode or a blackhole could suck up the Earth ;p [06:12] lol [06:12] or even the unreported suppository ;) [06:13] is kamio the guy that arranges everything in #ubuntu-meeting? i dont know the english name for it sorry [06:13] Petaris: hehehe, nice [06:14] isheep: where are you from? [06:14] the netherlands [06:14] oh, send me some CDs ! [06:14] just kidding [06:14] hehe [06:14] mhz: :) [06:14] first guy that diddnt ask me to send weed ;) [06:15] haha [06:15] honestly :P [06:15] nope, weed can be gotten here in LAtinamerica, and nope, I dont do weed, I just do CDs :D [06:15] hehehe [06:16] mhz, dont they burn really awful if you put them into tobacco ? [06:16] LOL! [06:16] what kind of "people" are using edubuntu [06:16] mostly, Labs at schools [06:16] or teachers, or parents [06:17] you guys arrent using edubuntu? [06:17] personally, my 2 kids use Edubuntu apps, at least 3 times a week [06:17] hehe, yeah! I am [06:17] hehe well why edubuntu en not ubuntu then? [06:18] because, the approach of edubuntu is best to my needs [06:18] edubuntu is aimed towards education purposes [06:18] ok [06:18] I teach old people to use the mouse, the PC, [06:19] nice [06:19] I envourage young learners to use many interesting apps [06:19] encourage [06:19] plus, I need the LTSP fact [06:20] what media apps for movies/music do you advise for someone who's kinda new to the pc? (me) honestly first time i have internet :) === mhz is not the one to answer that [06:21] one = best one [06:21] isheep: I have one edubuntu lab installed (25 clients) and one being implemented now (25 clients) [06:21] :) [06:21] hm ok but do you sugest anything? [06:21] Petaris: nice! [06:23] jsgotangco: i'll give mrs lopez an intro & nudge email tomorrow to answer when she is back from NY City [06:23] we must look at next steps - ( other than the Linux conference proposal) === RichEd needs to go out for dinner and spend some time with the family [06:24] so until tomorrow edubunteros ... it's goodbye from Africa [06:24] RichEd: have fun :) [06:25] enjoy RichEd [06:26] ciao RichEd [06:26] RichEd: enjoy [06:26] will send greetz to janeW from all [06:26] this developers meeting was quite confusing, without the pastes. [06:27] ogra^^ [06:27] :) [06:27] sorry for not giving context [06:27] sorry ... just a quickie ... anyone going to the marketing meeting tonight ? [06:27] rodarvus, yeah, i didnt like it at all [06:27] RichEd, whats a marketing meeting ? === ogra never saw one ... [06:28] i silbs leading it ? [06:28] *is [06:28] ogra: well then they are not doing a good job of self promotion ;) [06:28] hmm, the fridge hanst one set either [06:29] RichEd, not even with scheduling it seems :) [06:29] ah ... wrong date ... [06:29] yeah, its tomorrow :) === RichEd slaps himself aropund a bit [06:29] nah, tats not worth it :) === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd slinks away quitely [06:30] quietly even :P [06:30] :) [06:31] quite quietly [06:33] RichEd: i am going to Marketing Meeting [06:34] it is tomorrow not tonight ? [06:35] according to the calendar its tomorrow [06:35] okay tx [06:40] oh, yeah [06:40] tomorrow, firday at 15:00 in Chile === mhz sighs === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-64-223-58-40.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz must be the only one not comfrotable with meetings being held in the middle of day [06:41] th1a: hi there === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [06:41] hi mhz === mhz remembers th1a efforts in SchoolTool [06:42] That's what I do. [06:42] yeah, and I am glad you do it [06:42] I just got back from the first SchoolTool sprint, which was a raging success. [06:42] yay! [06:43] ogra: nothing to do but, yesterday I was "evangelising' about the use and power of python (you know I am totally ignorant about it) to a programmer. I missed not having an url I could reccomend for him to know about what he can do with python regarding DBs and other impressive stuff [06:44] th1a: congrats! [06:44] Thanks. The goal for the day is to write up the results and lessons in more detail. [06:45] We basically managed to do a long-needed redesign of navigation in the web interface the first day and implement a big chunk of it in the second. [06:45] wow [06:45] sounds lot of work [06:45] how many people in the sprint [06:45] ? [06:46] Well, two of our core developers, [06:46] plus two developers who work on CanDo, which is a competency tracking application for SchoolTool. [06:46] th1a, sounds great [06:47] All the CanDo developers are students or former students of Jeff Elkner, who has also been somewhat involved with Edubuntu. [06:47] yup [06:47] We also had three of his younger (14 & 15 yr. old) students there. [06:48] CanDo? ooh, I forgot about it [06:48] We did the sprint at a regional grassroots conference for open source in schools: http://nelinux.net === mhz now has 17 tabs :S [06:49] It is organized by Matt Oquist, who you might also know from Software Freedom Day and other project. [06:49] projects. [06:49] So we got some feedback from other conference attendees at the beginning of the conference and presented our work at the end. [06:50] It seemed like a great way to do a sprint & get teachers & school IT people engaged in the project. [06:50] COOL! idea [06:50] Yes, it worked even better than I'd hoped. [06:51] gee! I just hope soon, we have many people doing interesting stuff in Latinamerica (hopefully in Chile) so we can get together and do stuff like that [06:51] It is the first time I've really felt like I've had a breakthrough in how to get open source hackers and educators working together. [06:52] Plus it really pushes the sprinters to want to have something substantial done to show off ;-) === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [06:52] indeed, very good idea === mhz is now known as mhz_work === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:34] hi all [07:34] ping LaserJock [07:35] Hello cbx33 [07:35] hey bddebian [07:35] how are you [07:42] hi cbx33 === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [07:47] hi LaserJock [07:47] howz it going [07:52] well, I [07:52] I'm trying to figure out how to do a calendar on the wiki [07:52] or somewhere [07:53] LP does a calendar doesn't it? [07:53] cbx33: aha [07:54] what ? [07:54] :p [07:54] cbx33: not really the way we need [07:55] I can make my own personal calendar [07:55] ok.....sorry [07:55] but I need more of a collaborative one [07:55] when i have downlaoded a dsc, orig.tar.gz and diff [07:56] how do i make the source tree so I can build the binary pacakge? [07:56] debuild ? [07:57] you've downloaded the source package already, so all you need to do is pbuild/sbuild it. [07:57] pbuilder build foo.dsc [07:57] debuild is only relevant from within an extracted source package [07:58] (you can extract it with: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc) [07:59] ah ok [08:00] ah ok [08:00] thanks crimsun [08:03] ogra: are you familiar with a German organisation called 50 from North? === caravena [n=caravena@223-171-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [08:05] highvoltage, hi, do you have a link? [08:08] juliux: unfortunately no, I tried googling it too. [08:08] highvoltage, ok [08:08] at the guest house I'm staying, is a guy called Johannes, I don't know his surname [08:09] he's from and organisation called 50 from North, and open source organisation in Germany, he says they're planning a big conference in Switzerland later this year. [08:09] never heard anything about them [08:10] highvoltage: ask him for a url [08:10] :) [08:10] highvoltage, which url is his e-mail account? [08:10] fiftyfromnorth.org or something [08:12] ok, i'll ask him tomorrow [08:12] highvoltage [08:13] http://www.52north.org/ [08:13] juliux: I don't know, I just talked to him the first time tonight :) [08:13] 52north [08:13] :) [08:13] aaaah [08:13] hm mnster is not in the north of germany ;) [08:13] i remembered it was '50 to north' or '50 from north' or something :) [08:13] yeah he said he's at Meunster university [08:14] hm strange there are from germany but they dont have a germany website [08:15] netcraft says its german [08:15] er, located in Germany [08:15] yes, I even searched or the site with google.de and found nothing, then again, I searched for the wrong things (ended up with 50 cent ringtones, etc) [08:15] Petaris, the site is not in german ;) [08:15] no [08:15] its not [08:15] but [08:15] highvoltage, and what does he want from you? [08:16] http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.52north.org [08:16] juliux: nothing, we just chatted, we were at the same table during dinner [08:16] ah === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [08:16] pygi, pong [08:16] I like their website design [08:17] ogra, your rsyncer script has problems [08:17] :S [08:17] FOSS4G2006 - Free and Open Source Software for Geoinfromatics: September 12 - 15, 2006 in Lausanne, Switzerland. [08:17] juliux: i talk to a lot of people who want nothing from me, and I want nothing from them, I'm a bit of a compulsive friend maker :) [08:17] highvoltage, hehe [08:20] cbx33, ? [08:20] cbx33, i used it the last 5 days very excessive :) [08:20] :S [08:20] Burgwork:hey, how are you? [08:21] pygi, not bad [08:21] Burgwork: got response :) [08:21] End of his semester, he will work hard to catch up with things [08:21] he will also report to dholbach [08:21] talked with dholbach, told him that [08:21] perfect [08:21] o my, I started doing reports !!! [08:22] ogra, pm'd you my problems [08:22] hehe [08:22] cbx33: where can i download it? is it in universe yet? [08:22] not yet [08:22] I need to figure out this scroll wheel issue [08:22] and good job, it doesn't seem to work with the new rsyncer script [08:23] If I move the scroll wheel on my mouse the cursor flys to the right side of the screen [08:23] its odd [08:24] are you using ps2 or imps2 driver? [08:24] usually it either works or doesn't, but doesn't usually send the cursor flying [08:24] that happened to me previously with a plain ps2 driver [08:24] explorerps2 [08:24] should I change it to just ps/2 [08:24] perhaps the imps2 [08:25] hmmm.. I wonder if that's still in use [08:25] my xorg.conf says ExplorerPS/2 too. [08:26] Petaris: I don't know anymore, seems like things have changed :) [08:26] i suppose trying another driver would be worth while though. [08:27] Petaris: yeah...have had same issue [08:27] only in ubuntu flavours [08:27] well, maybe, it is xorg thing === mhz_work used to use Debian from scratch [08:27] and it was Xfree time [08:29] hrm [08:29] does the same with imps/2 and ps/2 [08:29] odd [08:29] Petaris: and when using a brand of mouse 'omega' (ps/2 optical cheap model), if i touchded the mouse, it would fly away and no respond anymore [08:31] hrm [08:31] very odd === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_work is now known as mhz_food === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-245-110.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-245-110.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [09:36] or maybe I should have asked here [09:36] hi LaserJock [09:36] hi highvoltage [09:37] what should you have asked here? [09:37] see -devel [09:37] i'm not on -devel atm === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [09:38] tough luck then :) === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [09:39] debian isn't happy abut some ltsp changes [09:39] aah [09:39] are they ever? :) [09:39] !!! [09:39] I know nothing about !! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu [09:40] LaserJock: you have a link? or was it in a mailing list? [09:40] ergh, this bot always do that [09:40] pygi: you need to say something before the !!!! ;-) [09:40] highvoltage: have no idea, ogra just mentioned it on -devel [09:40] LaserJock: you mean after? :p [09:41] before [09:41] i'm interested to see what they're unhappy about, since ogra and mdz and crew were so cautios to do everythin in-line with debian policy [09:41] ~ [09:41] ~ [09:41] HM,oki, then some things changed :P [09:41] highvoltage, see #ltsp [09:41] the discussion of the last 30 min [09:42] ok [09:42] pygi: you need to say somethine before the !!! so the bot doesn't think you are talking to it [09:42] vagrantc isnt happy about copying the sshkeys on every ifup we run [09:42] LaserJock: ofcourse, ofcourse :) === pygi is just tired, sorry for that :) [09:43] i see [09:44] ogra: but there's not any security risk, is there? and it doesn't break any debian policy either. [09:44] it's just a bit weird, and ltsp sometimes call for some weirdness. [09:46] nope there is no risk ... [09:46] apart from bugs that might be in the code ... === mhz_food is now known as mhz_work [09:56] highvoltage: have you seen the EPIC video about Googlezon? === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [10:03] HedgeMage: poke [10:04] hiya pygi [10:04] whats wrong with your jabber? :P [10:05] PEBKAC === mhz_work is now known as mhz === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-152-185-88.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog_ [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-152-52-206.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-152-218-41.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:13] ogra, do we have any specs for session cleanup and timing? [11:13] timing ? [11:14] controlling time [11:15] you mean logging out a user after a specific given time ? [11:15] yep [11:15] i have a tool from linus for that ... [11:15] via integrating timeoutd [11:16] but its not licensed [11:16] timeoutd is in the debian repos [11:16] and he never answered my request ti give me a license ... [11:16] hrm ... [11:16] i'm not really fond of adding a new daemon for such a simple task ... [11:16] also thats big enough to require a spec, s no edgy material [11:16] http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/admin/timeoutd [11:17] yep [11:17] I understand that [11:17] ultimately, you need a daemon to do session cleanup, however [11:17] and process teardown, etc. [11:17] does that work in any way with ssh tunneled sessions ? [11:17] doesnt seem like [11:18] hmm [11:18] lets talk more indepth at the next ubuntu conference [11:18] timeoutd can restrict local users, local X11-users and remote users via [11:18] telnet/SSH for a maximum of their session, max. day, idle or no login at [11:18] all. [11:18] aha [11:18] so it can [11:18] we can have a bof on edubuntu in a public computer environment [11:18] that should become a SCP feature [11:19] yep [11:20] can scp control what profiles are assigned to waht students? (via pessulus and sabayon)? [11:21] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/StudentControlPanelCompletion === pygi thinks he doesn't have much more time to work on plugin feature :P [11:22] so many things, so little time [11:23] I also want to talk about sane ways for anonymous use [11:24] currently DS does not create a user for each person that logs in [11:25] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/gdm-guest-login ? [11:28] perfect [11:29] not approved [11:30] ogra: I emailed one of the sabayon admins about what I'd like to do to see how feasible it is and possibly get some direction/help [11:30] s/admins/developers/ [11:30] and ? [11:30] haven't gotten a reply yet [11:31] I sent it off this morning [11:31] I'm a little concerned with the lack of activity, but that could be just because everybody is busy at red hat === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@88.123.51.127] has joined #edubuntu [11:32] well, it should still be maintained [11:32] It seems like a feature they'd be interested in having so I hope I can get them excited and I can provide patches [11:33] but I'm don't think I can realisticlly do the whole thing by myself === HedgeMage peeks in [11:34] it seems like it will require some pretty large changes (handling more than one profile/user) [11:34] well, lest see how far we get with upstream ... else lets look at our package :) [11:35] ogra: I agree [11:44] ogra: when you build an edubuntu cd, [11:45] how do you tell (before) the total size it will have [11:45] ? [11:45] have a look at the germinate program [11:46] (usually i'm not using it and guess by experience, but that tool is able to tell you exact sizes) [11:48] ogra: okis, i'll take a look at [11:51] oh, germinate does use python-apt [11:51] python, python, python [11:51] it is everywhere [12:01] tsktsktsktsk [12:02] highvoltage: still awake? [12:04] ogra: http://www.unabvirtual.edu.co/epic/index.html [12:12] mhz: that's because python rocks ;-) [12:13] LaserJock: yeah, eventhough I am python (or any coding) ignorant, I know python rocks