=== abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.32.197] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] toma: wait. Please upload the -doc tarballs first. sf.net still does not like me ^%$$^&*% [12:21] cool, it works except it is really in conflict with network-manager :) [12:21] toma: I'll send my you announcement [12:21] hey allee, toma [12:21] allee: ever played with kwlan ? [12:21] allee: i wont file them before they are accepted [12:22] Tonio_: hi [12:22] Tonio_: no. only seen the checkin in kde-extras. [12:22] allee: are they uploaded to incoming on sf.net? === Tonio_ disconnecting for a few tests [12:22] + in alioth [12:22] toma: ah, not yet ... [12:27] it really works nicelly [12:27] the only issue is that you have to define the wpa_supplicant driver to use [12:27] how is network-manager dealing with this ? [12:27] toma: sent annoucnement, dip-doc uploaded [12:28] if we can automate the driver selection, it would be perfect [12:31] toma: now digikam-doc uploaded to sf.net too [12:34] allee: both activated === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:40] toma: great. Thx. I'll send ann. later or tomorrow to give the mirrors time to sync === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:46] allee: mirrors are a bit slow lately [12:47] toma: okay. then I send it when I'm back at work [12:47] k [12:47] whats the conversion from bytes to GB ? (/1024)/1024 ? [12:49] one more /1024 [12:49] imbrandon: divided by another 1024, iirc [12:49] kk thanks [12:49] or /1000 depending on the mood [12:49] hehe yea [12:49] imbrandon: /1000/1000/1000. The /1024/1024/1024 has a other standardicied appreviation. Check linux kernel there it get's used ;) [12:50] ahh [12:50] imbrandon: see we all agree ;) === imbrandon always get confused about 1000 vs 1024 thing [12:50] heh [12:51] people who want to rob you use 1000, like memory manufacturers :P [12:51] but to be fair k=1000 [12:51] true :P [12:51] K=1000, k=kelvin [12:51] hehehe [12:51] heh, fair enough :) === poningru [n=poningru@wsip-70-168-186-68.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon was just trying to figure out how much room his apt-mirror was takin up ( read: 30148327123 bytes will be downloaded into archive. ) === apokryp3 [n=apokryph@host-84-9-33-134.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] imbrandon: -h in ls or du or df will make it readable for Humans [12:54] yea thats the output from apt-mirror , just making a human readable option for it ( heh will have a new version ready before it gets out of the NEW que ) [12:54] i cant think of any other exception, other than Kelvin, all the other units named after scientists are capitalised. [12:54] it only outputs bytes atm ;P [12:55] toma, and also -H afaik -h == 1000 conversion -H does the 1024 way [12:55] in ls du and df [12:55] ah, oki [12:56] imbrandon: ah, -H exists too [12:56] ;P [12:57] Riddell: k=1000 K= Kelvin :P [12:58] imbrandon: not -H, --si [12:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin [12:58] imbrandon: only df -H == --si [12:58] allee, [12:59] brandon@shuttlepod:~> df -H [12:59] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [12:59] /dev/hda4 22G 7.5G 15G 35% / [12:59] ahh yea [12:59] df has -H and -h [12:59] the others dont [12:59] abattoir: bah :) [12:59] hrm actualy allee du has -H too [01:00] just not ls [01:02] anyhow got my problem fixed , heh apt-mirror now reads 28.07 GB not 30148327123 bytes for the edgy mirror ;P [01:05] there are 28.07 GiB not GB :) [01:05] s/there/these/ === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] hrm ok [01:11] nite [01:12] gnight allee === Tonio__ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:18] Riddell, ping [01:18] Sho_ just pointed me to this http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Release_Schedule , note the last date and comment [01:20] Party? [01:20] ;) [01:21] more about the kubuntu release [01:21] i seen that [01:21] so, is .20 gonna do anything like i want to see? [01:21] treeview/double rows [01:21] imbrandon: I've discussed it with him, so cool when people arrange their release schedules around us [01:21] yup yup thats what i was thinking ;P [01:22] nixternal, yea and treeview option is going in svr in the next days [01:22] svn* === nixternal faints [01:22] wont be default but an option [01:22] dude..that means i don't go to irssi and i stick with konversation!!! [01:24] [18:20] channell tree option be in by the 15th ? [01:24] [18:20] * imbrandon hides [01:24] [18:20] <-- strm has left this server ("uni"). [01:24] [18:20] imbrandon: yup [01:24] tell Sho_ he is my new hero btw [01:24] will never be double rows he said unless someone makes a kde widget for it ( kde4 ) [01:25] i can wait, as long as i can see the channel names [01:26] double row tabs are evil [01:26] i haven't seen them personally [01:28] nalioth tried to get me to use kvirc, and i just couldn't enjoy it..i like konvo because it is so clean...and it does what i need to do easily...irssi gives me far more options, a lot that i like, but there is a learning curve for me there [01:29] irssi == emacs of irc, i dont want to LEARN to use a client / editor , i just want to use it ;P [01:29] hehe [01:29] thus nano / kwrite work just fine [01:30] ;P [01:30] and konvo [01:31] you know what else would be cool with konversation...where you could have a couple windows (channels) opened up at a time...so i could split #kubuntu / #ubuntu in a 'support' window. and so on [01:31] kind of like a gui 'screen' [01:32] that just gave me an idea === nixternal gets busy with gimp [01:32] I like the way xchat does the nick list [01:33] i like the way mIRC does it... ops are @, and voiced is + [01:33] i could probably create a them easily for konversation to make it do that === nixternal fires up gimp [01:34] i have only used xchat a hand full of times [01:34] fo0d === Pyro_MX [n=pyromx@Toronto-HSE-ppp3867791.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coachJ [n=jeff@236.179.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coachJ [n=jeff@236.179.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:52] Heya [01:52] Oh eh hey [01:54] um someone pointed me here, I had a little something to show to the kubuntu art team. nothing much, just a little concept === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] Pyro_MX, umm #ubuntu-artwork or catch up with kwwii might be better [01:55] Thx. [01:55] heya bddebian === Pyro_MX [n=pyromx@Toronto-HSE-ppp3867791.sympatico.ca] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:55] Pyro_MX, kwwii is the AiC for kubuntu edgy [01:55] err ok [01:55] Heya imbrandon [01:56] I need some text for Kubuntu to go in the Akademy booklet [01:58] Riddell, what kinda text , nixternal is good at professional type writeups [01:58] not sure what kind of text, I guess most of the sponsors will have corporate blub [01:58] so we need corporate blurb, but cool blurb [01:59] lol [01:59] yea ;P [01:59] oh lord the sound i have for notifications in konvo has bass...just made my system bump me out of my chair... [02:00] i was jammin' element 80 earlier and forgot to turn it down i take it...thanks for goose bumps!!! [02:00] nixternal, a hip kubuntu pro writeup for akademy booklet ;) [02:00] aye aye cappin [02:00] element 80 rocks i know those guys personaly they all grew up less than a block from my house ;P [02:01] that is how i know them ;) [02:01] how much is needed for this write up? [02:01] what format? [02:04] nixternal: text [02:05] to fill a page of A5 I think [02:05] ok, so no formatting, just flat out Kubuntu lingo that will cause jaws to drop, eyes to roll, and... [02:05] i can do that [02:05] yep [02:05] you are the man [02:05] no you are [02:05] ;) [02:08] unless it mentions ponies, it won't sell. [02:09] heh [02:10] nixternal: deadline is pretty soon though [02:12] workin' on it right now ;) [02:14] great, send me an e-mail when you have something, I'm off to bed [02:14] no probl [02:15] em [02:15] g'nite [02:19] gnight nixternal [02:19] im not goin' to sleep..to early yet ;) [02:19] that g'nite was for the kubuntu mastah [02:23] Oh, heh === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pyro_MX [n=pyromx@Toronto-HSE-ppp3867791.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pyro_MX [n=pyromx@Toronto-HSE-ppp3867791.sympatico.ca] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [02:43] morning all === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.42.123] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.42.123] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:54] Hobbsee: check your email so you know how to login to imbandon's new setup ;) [02:54] hiya Hobbsee btw ;) [02:54] nixternal: yeah, i found out it buggered when i tried to login :P [02:54] heya [02:54] hehe === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:52] lovely. more bugs. === Hobbsee closes one. [03:57] and another one. === Hobbsee opens a third :P [03:57] haha [04:03] nixternal: it's a sync request, it would be closing another one if someone else had found the problem yet [04:03] hehe [04:04] yay === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:07] hi neoncode [04:08] nixternal: feel like doing some of those gamin rebuilds at some point? [04:09] sorry Hobbsee, yes i can [04:09] im working on a blurb for the aKademy book [04:09] nixternal: cool :D === Hobbsee thinks imbrandon killed it. [04:22] uh oh...i killed this... [04:23] ajmitch: you still aorund? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:36] abattoir_: === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.42.123] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [04:36] hi abattoir [04:37] Hobbsee: good morning :) [04:37] or is it afternoon there? [04:37] @time sydney [04:37] abattoir: :) [04:37] Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 20 2006, 12:37:33 [04:37] abattoir: beta2? [04:37] ok, the latter then [04:38] Hobbsee: no i'm using 0.12.0, i think they forgot to change the default message :) [04:38] abattoir: do we know when 0.12.2 is supposed to be released? [04:38] abattoir: ahhh...want to test kubuntu packages for it theN? [04:39] Hobbsee: i have no connections w/ Kopete devs, can find out if you want :) [04:39] Hobbsee: sure... it has jingle support? [04:39] abattoir: that'd be cool. no [04:39] abattoir: if you get it to work, i'm happy to accept patches or whatever (or just patch it - just tell me what you're doing :P) [04:39] Hobbsee: ok, i'll be a guineau pig anyways... where is it? ;) [04:40] abattoir: oh yeah. [04:40] um. [04:40] Hobbsee: heh, i'm not familiar w/ the intricacies of deb packaging.... yet ;) [04:40] abattoir: :) [04:40] abattoir: find the build-deps, and i can put them in easily enough [04:41] Hobbsee: for jingle? [04:41] abattoir: in fact, i thikn they're listed on the kopete website - just not sure if they're all in ubuntu now [04:41] abattoir: yeah [04:41] Hobbsee: iirc, speex, libortp... um nvm i'll check it out [04:42] abattoir: :) [04:42] Hobbsee: ok, oRTP(only 0.7.1 nothing else would work), expat, glib-2.0 and speex >=1.1.6 [04:43] these are the mandatory deps [04:43] iLBC is optional === Hobbsee nods [04:43] are those in ubuntu [04:43] ? === Hobbsee is being lazy. and fighting with kopete [04:44] Hobbsee! [04:44] as far as i can remember, almost all are, except ortp [04:44] neoncode: heya [04:44] which of course depends on a specific version [04:44] abattoir: ah, was that the problem === neoncode clings onto Hobbsee's leg. [04:44] yep [04:44] Where have you been? [04:44] down boy! [04:45] neoncode: i've been here, uploading things :) [04:45] Ohhh... === Hobbsee was at a friends place yesterday afternoon === neoncode gets off === Hobbsee pets neoncode's head. [04:45] :P [04:45] =D [04:45] Ok enough of that in the devel chanel [04:45] hehe [04:46] neoncode: want a job to do? [04:46] seeing as i'm being lazy here? [04:46] Hobbsee: Ok [04:46] Hobbsee: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/aKademy_blurb.pdf <- be brutally honest, as this is the first draft for the aKademy book [04:46] neoncode: check if [12:42] Hobbsee: ok, oRTP(only 0.7.1 nothing else would work), expat, glib-2.0 and speex >=1.1.6 <-- those versions of those apps, are on packages.ubuntu.com in edgy [04:47] Hobbsee: i think there'd be a newer version of libortp [04:47] I'll try... [04:47] Hobbsee: everything else should be present [04:47] nixternal: looks nice [04:47] neoncode: :) [04:47] abattoir: yeah, may well be [04:48] Hobbsee: i'm not familiar w/ packaging policies... but is it ok to include an older version of a package because another has a dependency on that? [04:48] abattoir: like what happens in automake? i dont think i'ts recommended, but it's possible [04:49] abattoir: they usually get renamed automake1.9 or whatever [04:49] libortp4 (1.3.5-1) [universe] Is that one? [04:49] hmmm, yes, but autoconf is more *important* so to speak :P [04:49] abattoir: well, yeah [04:49] neoncode: what's the source package for that? [04:50] the latest on ortp's site is ortp-0.9.1 [04:50] stable, that is [04:50] a part of linphone. odd. === Hobbsee looks for ortp's site [04:50] http://www.linphone.org/ortp/sources/ [04:51] Hobbsee: I don't even know what a source package is? Is that the -dev one? [04:51] Hobbsee: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=41143 [04:51] take a look at that :) [04:51] neoncode: it's the one listed at the bottom of the page - search for source [04:51] icky. [04:51] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=edgy&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=ortp&searchon=names [04:51] neoncode: the source is linphone, see if you can find it on the page [04:52] neoncode: yeah, click on the top one? [04:52] That's what I searched for there... I dunno if that's the right place... [04:52] neoncode: yeah, you got it right :) [04:52] neoncode: usually foo and foo-dev are binaries of the same source package. [04:52] Rid*del actually wanted to see if he could 'channel this guy's energies into doing something for kubuntu [04:52] How do I know what the source package is then? === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:52] he also has a fix for the screensaver bug :P [04:53] abattoir: bleh. dont discuss that screensaver bug. [04:53] abattoir: do you know the guy? i want the source. [04:53] abattoir: ubuntu doesnt accept binary uploads [04:54] Hobbsee: no idea, Rid*del in fact was the one who showed the page about the bug... [04:54] Hobbsee: the source for? [04:54] and i cant see the source to see what's been done, then i dont trust it [04:54] So what is a source package? [04:54] Hobbsee: ortp? [04:54] abattoir: their kopete packages [04:55] Hobbsee: ugh, isnt it the normal kopete source? compiled with a flag? [04:55] neoncode: a source package is something that you run debuild, or pbuilder, or whatever on, or ./configure, make, make install on, and it gets turned into .debs for your architecture [04:55] or am i getting something wrong? [04:56] abattoir: no, you are right. sort of. there's also likely to be modifications to the control file, which is the one i'm interested in (that tells me what the build-deps are) [04:56] Hobbsee: he has just packaged libortp from source and packaged kopete w/ the flag so that it depends on it. [04:56] abattoir: if you set --enable-jingle, but dont have the build-deps, it bails during configure [04:56] abattoir: ah okay. source for libortp would be cool then :) [04:56] http://www.linphone.org/ortp/sources/ [04:57] 0.7.1 is the magic version [04:57] abattoir: right, ok, so it's there [04:58] How do you make the .deb's anyway? === abattoir wonders if neoncode is going to become Hobbsee's next apprentice. [04:58] :P [04:58] neoncode: debuild, or pbuilder build foo.dsc [04:58] abattoir: hehe [04:58] !packagingguide [04:58] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [04:58] abattoir: Next one? [04:58] neoncode: take a look at ^, and dont worry if you dont understand it all - just get the idea of it [04:58] hehe [04:59] neoncode: iirc, im*brandon, nix*ternal.... [04:59] and as long as she doesn't start saying anything about the dark side then were good. [04:59] heh === Hobbsee pokes neoncode with a long pointy stick instead. === neoncode falls over and convuses [05:00] "DRAFT" in big bold letters... === Hobbsee wonders what the actual version of libortp4 is. [05:00] neoncode: yeah, it's also in help:/ somewhere, but i never remember where [05:01] What's "help:/"? :/ [05:01] neoncode: type it into konq, iirc === neoncode manges to misspell "help" [05:02] neoncode: hehe [05:02] All I get is "There is no documentation available for /index.html." === Hobbsee almost mis-spelt her own name on the exam paper for uni. [05:02] try help:/packagingguide or something [05:03] i dont remember what it is, laserjock would know === Hobbsee just uses the version marked "draft" - but i think it's the same [05:03] hmm, the io-slave seems to be broken [05:03] >> There is no documentation available for /index.html.<< [05:03] What's an io-slave? [05:03] abattoir: more likely i just told you wrong - i guessed [05:04] neoncode: all the fish:/ ftp:/ ssh:/ etc that you can stick in konqueror [05:04] neoncode: konqueror's funky input output slaves... try kde:/radio for eg. :P [05:04] abattoir: which kopete packages were you using, sorry? [05:04] applications:/ settings:/ bluetooth:/ are other useful kioslaves [05:04] Refrence guides and API's huh... [05:05] That reminds me... What is an API... [05:05] ah yes, that's right [05:05] Hobbsee: me? I compiled it myself. === Hobbsee doesnt use them that much [05:05] abattoir: ahh...right... === Hobbsee thinks. [05:05] neoncode: Application Programming Interface, last i heard [05:05] neoncode: wikipedia for that one, most likely :) [05:05] And what do they do? [05:06] well, they act as an interface between a program, and a programmer who builds more programs based on that program... [05:06] :P [05:06] Hobbsee: I don't need a 3-page history sprinkled with swear-words.. [05:06] hehe [05:06] neoncode: heh [05:06] abattoir: Thank you. === neoncode gives abattoir a cookie [05:07] neoncode: thanks :). I 'm glad you understood [05:07] hehe [05:08] No cookie for wikipedia though... [05:08] neoncode: why? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API [05:09] wheee!!!!!!!!! what the *heck* has happened here? [05:09] you mean the cookie crumbs? [05:09] :P [05:10] no, just a source package seems to be missing in ubuntu, but the binaries are there [05:10] abattoir: It has a 9 paragraph "description" [05:10] neoncode: hehe, never leave documentation to developers [05:11] abattoir: Why? [05:11] neoncode: i meant that as a joke, well the typical impression is that devs cant explain things simply... [05:12] and doc writers dont understand the complexities of development... [05:12] again, i am not the one saying this... :) [05:12] Ohhh... I get it... kinna.. === abattoir doesnt want to get into trouble w/ Kubuntu Documentation team. [05:13] ok guys, brb === neoncode wants to get involved with kubuntu development or something. So is reading the link that Hobbsee gave. =D [05:13] neoncode: :) [05:15] Right, i'll set all these packages to download that apparently I need while I go get a sandwitch === Hobbsee sets two more bugs to need info. [05:18] Hobbsee: is it ok to package 'experimental' features? [05:18] hmm, but then the moodbar was included ;) [05:19] abattoir: for what? where did we switch to amarok? [05:19] well, Jingle is an experimental feature [05:19] abattoir: experimental, yeah, as long as it's before sept 7 [05:19] ah yeah, right [05:19] i was just thinking aloud :) [05:20] eek...for amarok.... [05:20] s/amarok/kopete... [05:20] abattoir: kopete's in main. but hosting packages for testing outside of the repositories is cool, and if it's stable enough, to include it. [05:20] abattoir: feature freeze is the time everythings' gotta be in by [05:21] oh, ok, i get it. [05:22] Mmmm cheese and mayanase [05:23] is "debianization" a technical term then? [05:23] =) [05:23] neoncode: yep [05:23] neoncode: so's "it's screwed" and other similar terms [05:24] along with "sharp pointy stick" and "jumps on" === Hobbsee pokes crimsun with the sharpt pointy stick [05:24] hehe [05:24] ow. [05:25] :P === neoncode hands crimsun a band-aid [05:25] I've been burned, chewed, and poked with a sharp pointy stick. I don't think a bandaid will suffice. ;-) [05:26] Ok then. === neoncode hands crimsun a gaint band-aid === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:27] crimsun: hehe. chewed? === Hobbsee looks to fix more of amarok, and triages more of the bugs as she goes. [05:29] Hobbsee: What's wrong with amaroK? [05:29] yeah, I think I can claim Hobbsee-abuse or something [05:29] neoncode: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= [05:29] crimsun: heh === Hobbsee hugs crimsun :) [05:29] And how much disk space does it take to make a chroot enviroment? === neoncode joins in the huggins [05:30] *hugging [05:31] hehe :) [05:31] ~150 MB iirc [05:31] dunno. i dont make chroots. [05:31] Hobbsee: do you actually *fix* these bugs, or are you marking duplicates, confirming etc.? [05:32] abattoir: bits of both [05:32] abattoir: the few that are marked fix commited i've fixed, and are sittign on revu waiting [05:32] abattoir: a lot were fixed upstream too [05:32] Hobbsee: so most of these bugs are packaging erros? [05:33] *errors [05:33] abattoir: hmmm...some of them are, but not really [05:33] and how do you keep track w/ which are upstream ones and which are not? [05:33] ok ok, i wont bug you w/ questions, go back to whatever you were doing. :) [05:34] abattoir: not a problem [05:34] abattoir: i keep track of them by subscribing to most of the kde buglist on LP [05:34] there's a section there marked "upstream tracker" or "file upstream" or whatever, which links it [05:34] abattoir: so when upstream changes it, i still get the email notification [05:34] oh, ok, that way... [05:34] Hobbsee: RE: bug 37248, you probably want to mark that "Fix Committed" since it hasn't been uploaded yet [05:35] Malone bug 37248 in xine-lib "AmaroK tries to play MP3 without support - Should give an error" [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37248 [05:35] Hey I have a question about all this apt-get stuff... What exacly is apt and what is dpkg. And what do they both do? [05:35] crimsun: oh bleh. yeah. [05:35] neoncode: ok, let me try this, i've been doing some research on this [05:35] crimsun: i did the other ones that way - that was the first one i did of the three, and i didnt realise that main freeze would last for over a week. [05:36] apt is a package management program, it invokes dpkg to install packages, finds dependencies, manages sources etc. [05:36] Hobbsee: np, I only comment on the ones over which I get spam ;-) === Hobbsee unjoins kubuntu-users, and joins the ubuntu-devel mailing list again [05:36] crimsun: :P [05:37] neoncode: let's see if i was right... one sec [05:37] What does the kubuntu devel team do with most of their time anyway? [05:37] anyone who's reporting bugs on -users, please file on malone [05:37] neoncode: update packages, and fix them. [05:37] abattoir: Ok... [05:37] neoncode: develop kubuntu ? :P [05:37] abattoir: lol [05:38] neoncode: i guess i was loosely right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool [05:39] sigh. [05:39] If it works, are you going to backport it to Dapper? A broken Amarok in [05:39] Dapper is not good. [05:39] abattoir: Sweet... Ok what's this Smart packageing thing that i rember hearing about? Or should I ask "Uncle Google"? [05:39] neoncode: labix.org/smart [05:40]