[01:14] <robotgeek> hmm, Laser_away . ping back?
[02:55] <Laser_away> robotgeek: did I ping you?
[03:56] <osg> hihi
[03:59] <osg> Anyone around?
[04:05] <Burgwork> osg, not really
[04:05] <osg> Ah.
[04:06] <Burgwork> osg, what do you need?
[04:06] <osg> Burgwork: Nothing. Was just wondering about writing for Ubunut.
[04:06] <osg> I am a tech. writer.
[04:06] <osg> And I write in DocBook and XML.
[04:08] <Burgwork> ah, cool
[04:08] <Burgwork> currently we keep our documentation in svn, written in docbok
[04:08] <osg> Nice.
[04:08] <Burgwork> we are currently sort of in hibernation mode, not writing much
[04:09] <osg> I use Oxygen as my editor.
[04:09] <osg> Ah.
[04:09] <Burgwork> the next version of Ubuntu is due out Oct 26th and we need to be finished  writing by sept
[04:09] <osg> Well, I can get used to what is out there.
[04:09] <osg> Ah.
[04:09] <osg> I can review stuff.
[04:09] <Burgwork> our current plans involve merging the ubuntu book and the desktop guide
[04:10] <Burgwork> we are also working on updating the packaging guide, working more the server guide and anything else that you can think of
[04:10] <Burgwork> we are very much about self driven projects
[04:10] <Burgwork> nobody is going to tell you do anything, unless you ask
[04:10] <osg> There is an "&" that needs to be replaced by "and" in the TOC here: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[04:10] <osg> For example.
[04:10] <Burgwork> osg, cool
[04:10] <osg> That kind of stuff.
[04:11] <Burgwork> if you want to get started, pull down the svn and send a patch to the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[04:11] <Burgwork> a few patches and we will offer you svn access
[04:11] <Burgwork> here is a more indepth guide to the above
[04:11] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted
[04:12] <osg> Thanks.  I will start by getting familiar with what is out there. Then progress with the svn.
[04:12] <Burgwork> you can browse our inprogress docs at doc.ubuntu.com
[04:13] <Burgwork> our finished docs are at help.ubuntu.com
[04:13] <osg> Thanks.
[04:13] <osg> How long have you been writing?
[04:13] <Burgwork> since dec 2004
[04:13] <osg> Ah.
[04:14] <Burgwork> what other things have you been working on?
[04:14] <osg> I wrote for Cray for 5 years.
[04:15] <Burgwork> ah, big stuff
[04:15] <osg> So, C, C++, Fortran programming environment stuff.
[04:15] <Burgwork> most of us have little formal documentation experience
[04:15] <osg> Scientific libraries.
[04:15] <osg> Well, it is about time that I teach a little, I suppose.
[04:15] <osg> :)
[04:15] <osg> Or make myself available.
[04:15] <Burgwork> yep
[04:16] <osg> What got you into writing?
[04:16] <Burgwork> I went to Mataro (the first Ubuntu development conference) and was looking for a meaningful way to get involved
[04:17] <Burgwork> I ended up chatting with the doc people
[04:17] <osg> Nice.
[04:17] <Burgwork> more recently I have been working on the wiki and some marketing stuff
[04:18] <osg> More recently, I have been writing about a couple proprietary online applications.
[04:19] <theCore> the docteam is a nice little community
[04:19] <theCore> osg: I hope you will join 
[04:20] <theCore> :)
[04:20] <osg> Well, thanks for the welcoming vibe.  :)
[04:20] <osg> I think I already have.
[04:21] <osg> Ok, let me read a bit and I will chat with you later.
[04:21] <Burgwork> anyway, it is crazy that I am still at work at twenty past 7. I will see you all later (at most, 40 minutes)
[04:21] <osg> Ah, you are in CA?
[04:21] <osg> Or West coast?
[04:27] <robotgeek> Laser_away: yup. maybe a day ago
[04:30] <mhz> hi guys
[04:30] <mhz> I was just taking a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/pdf/ubuntu/es/
[04:30] <mhz> I downloded the packaging guide
[04:30] <mhz> from there
[04:30] <mhz> unfortunatelly, most of the stuff I read is still english
[04:30] <mhz> is that normal?
[04:31] <mhz> should that be adviced prior to download?
[04:31] <theCore> mhz, I think the translations aren't finished
[04:31] <theCore> let me see
[04:32] <mhz> eventhough I am spanish speaker, I must admit I hardly ever read anything in spanish
[04:32] <mhz> so, only upon request of a friend of mine is that I got to read such URL docs
[04:33] <mhz> and just noticed it is only the first pages that are translated
[04:33] <mhz> but the technical part (most important one) isn't
[04:37] <theCore> mhz: maybe you help with the translation?
[04:37] <mhz> hehehehe
[04:37] <mhz> I knew something like that would happen
[04:39] <mhz> BTW, re translations, is the Doc team the one to approve translated Code of Conducts?
[04:40] <mhz> theCore: and yes, I know that the best is that if i find a mistake, I get to fix it
[04:40] <mhz> theCore: how ever, there are enough translators and hands for ubuntu stuff
[04:41] <theCore> mhz: translators are users from the community
[04:41] <mhz> however, there are lots less hands for edubuntu, where I help the most (in my time)
[04:42] <theCore> mhz: well, improvements in Ubuntu, are also improvements in Edubuntu
[04:42] <mhz> actually, incredibly, so far it seems I am the only one in edubuntu doing stuff for latinamerican issues
[04:43] <mhz> theCore: true
[04:44] <mhz> re Code of Conduct, we have translated it into spanish, I am editing now. Can that be available for spanish speakers wanting to sign it?
[04:45] <nixternal> can i get someone to do a quick "once over" of this -> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/aKademy_blurb.pdf
[04:50] <theCore> nixternal: "Free Software, as in free of charge", I'm not sure if it is the right way the say this
[04:53] <mhz> Free Software, Free as in Feedom :)
[04:53] <theCore> ah, that's the one I was looking for!
[04:54] <jsgotangco> nixternal: you going to akademy?
[04:54] <theCore> thanks mhz
[04:54] <mhz> np
[04:54] <nixternal> don't know yet jsgotangco
[05:01] <nixternal> heh, i just got a funny phone call from the old man
[05:02] <nixternal> he is on a business trip, and one of his salesman calls and is like, im trying to type up a document on the laptop, and when i press u i get 4 and when i press o i get 6 and what not...didn't know how to fix it
[05:02] <nixternal> so i sat there and laughed at them being "engineers" and what not
[05:03] <nixternal> i had the salesman believing his keyboard went bad for a good 10 minutes
[05:03] <mhz> lol
[05:03] <mhz> User Friendly story!
[05:03] <nixternal> hehe ya
[05:05] <nixternal> jsgotangco: is the wording/content all right with that?  be brutally honest...that thing needs to rock
[05:06] <jsgotangco> i just took a glance
[05:07] <mhz> the burgers are in town
[05:07] <nixternal> that means trouble
[05:07] <mhz> heheh
[05:08] <nixternal> Burgundavia: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/aKademy_blurb.pdf        <- for the aKademy program...since kubuntu is a big sponsor they get a full page blurb..that is what i have so far...please if you can check it out...feel free to be brutally honest
[05:08] <nixternal> everyone, check that out...brutally honest is what i need ;)
[05:10] <nixternal> ICE CREAM TIME!!!!  bbiaf
[05:12] <jsgotangco> kubuntu is an official partner project instead of portion i guess
[05:12] <jsgotangco> because you cannot really sayy its a subset
[05:13] <Burgundavia> nixternal: hmm, I see a lot of words
[05:14] <Burgundavia> nixternal: can you also tell them to drop the "shaping the future of the free desktop" part
[05:14] <Burgundavia> nixternal: they are shaping the future of A free desktop
[05:26] <nixternal> shaping the future of the free desktop?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> "the" can only mean one desktop and that is kde on your side
[05:29] <jsgotangco> "a" can be described as a unified one
[05:29] <nixternal> where is that located though?
[05:29] <nixternal> i know i didn't write that in the .pdf you are looking at
[05:29] <nixternal> lol
[05:30] <Burgundavia> nixternal: top of the academy page
[05:30] <nixternal> oh
[05:30] <nixternal> lol
[05:31] <Burgundavia> gnome has dropped "the leading free desktop" from their press releases
[05:31] <Burgundavia> specifically because the recognition that there is more than one
[05:31] <nixternal> im not working with aKademy at all, just helping Riddell get this done so kubuntu can have a blurb in the 'sponsors' portion of the aKademy program
[05:32] <Burgundavia> ok then, pass my words on up
[05:32] <jsgotangco> well we can't force nixternal to change it heh after all he's doing a kubuntu blurb, not akademy
[05:32] <Burgundavia> as for the pamphlet, hmm
[05:32] <nixternal> hehe, i can do that ;)
[05:32] <nixternal> that is just a crude rought draft
[05:32] <Burgundavia> I would love to see the centre of that be one big kubuntu logo
[05:33] <Burgundavia> with the words flowing around it
[05:33] <Burgundavia> have about half as many words
[05:33] <nixternal> well, what you also see online, ins't what is going to be inthe pamphlet..i just made it pretty for us to read
[05:33] <nixternal> they are getting a txt file and thats it..they will do the formatting
[05:33] <Burgundavia> dive less into the technical details (archs, etc.)
[05:33] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[05:33] <Burgundavia> that is too bad
[05:33] <nixternal> ooh, i like your idea
[05:33] <nixternal> ALOT!!!
[05:34] <Burgundavia> everybody knows what KDE is, or at least they should, so no need for K Desktop Environment (KDE)
[05:34] <Burgundavia> just KDE will work
[05:34] <nixternal> ok
[05:34] <Burgundavia> kubuntu is an official partner, not portion
[05:35] <nixternal> that is true, since it is a KDE developers meeting ;)
[05:35] <Burgundavia> partner project, to be exact
[05:35] <nixternal> fixed that
[05:35] <Burgundavia> Kubuntu means "towards humanity" - I suggest you use that somehow
[05:36] <Burgundavia> you have some odd formatting in "Use It, Improve It, and Pass It on."
[05:36] <nixternal> ok
[05:36] <Burgundavia> drop the extra caps
[05:36] <nixternal> roger that
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Kubuntu is available to everyone, no matter the location, the status of your bank account, or the
[05:36] <Burgundavia> speed of your Internet.
[05:36] <Burgundavia>  <-- I like this
[05:36] <Burgundavia> however, the sentence after is weak
[05:37] <Burgundavia> I would add "your language or ability level" to the preceding
[05:37] <Burgundavia>                       With versions available for x86 (typical personal computers), PowerPC
[05:37] <Burgundavia> (Mac G3, G4, G5, as well as iBooks and PowerBooks), and 64-bit PC (new top of the line 64-bit
[05:37] <Burgundavia> personal computers), 
[05:37] <Burgundavia> drop that and say "No matter what kind of computer,"
[05:37] <Burgundavia> no need to capitalize FREE CDs
[05:38] <Burgundavia> move the next para into the first one
[05:38] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[05:38] <Madpilot> hi
[05:38] <Burgundavia> nixternal: those are first off impressions
[05:39] <nixternal> thank you for that!!!
[05:39] <nixternal> im working on the "your language or ability level" portion now
[05:39] <nixternal> [22:38]  <Burgundavia> move the next para into the first one
[05:39] <nixternal> you talking the 'humanity to others' one?
[05:39] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:39] <Burgundavia> we should lead with why we are different, not end
[05:40] <nixternal> true
[05:40] <Burgundavia> our philosophy and how that flows through the distro and community is it
[05:40] <Madpilot> which doc are you talking about?
[05:40] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/aKademy_blurb.pdf
[05:40] <nixternal> a blurb for kubuntu and the aKademey program/pamphlet
[05:41] <Burgundavia> nixternal: are you sure you cannot provide a pdf?
[05:41] <nixternal> Riddell just told me a text file
[05:41] <Burgundavia> hmm, that truly sucks
[05:41] <nixternal> but your idea would be bad though
[05:41] <nixternal> i want to do it
[05:42] <nixternal> not bad meaning bad, but bad meaning kick @$$ ;)
[05:42] <Madpilot> nixternal, I'd loose the blue 'kubuntu' logotype, except in the header. it disrupts reading, IMO
[05:42] <nixternal> Madpilot: don't pay any attention to the formatting
[05:42] <Madpilot> heh. OK
[05:42] <nixternal> i was messing around when i did that..just the wording..because it will be sent in a text format more then likely
[05:46] <nixternal> i.e.,    Like the meaning of Kubuntu, "towards humanity", Kubuntu will help you in moving towards freedom.      <- does that sound as bad as it looks?
[05:48] <Madpilot> it sounds a bit pretentious, if that's what you meant
[05:48] <nixternal> i need to incorporate the meaning of Kubuntu in the first paragraph somehow
[05:49] <crimsun> how about excising some of that and just using, "...Kubuntu will free you"?
[05:49] <nixternal> lol
[05:49] <nixternal> free your mind, the rest will follow
[05:49] <nixternal> uh oh
[05:49] <crimsun> well, that's the seed of it, no?
[05:49] <crimsun> en vogue, dude.
[05:49] <nixternal> oh it is crimsun
[05:50] <nixternal> gahahahaha
[05:50] <nixternal> omg the fact you knew that is just wrong
[05:50] <crimsun> of course, I'm old enough to know better. :-)
[05:50] <nixternal> im 32, and can't remember that stuff ;)
[05:52] <Burgundavia> ok, gladiator is delightfully bad already
[05:53] <Madpilot> the pseudo-historical Roman movie?
[05:53] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:53] <Burgundavia> the roman legion is shown as a mob in fancy uniforms
[05:54] <Madpilot> ya, I saw that ages ago, just after it was out on video. Can't remember much, beyond the rather silly battle scene at the start, in the forest
[06:01] <LaserJock> mhz: still around?
[06:03] <mhz> yeah
[06:04] <mhz> LaserJock: yup
[06:04] <LaserJock> mhz: the packaging guide was only fully translated into Swedish and Korean last I looked
[06:04] <LaserJock> mhz: what you see is what we got
[06:48] <rob> ?
[06:52] <nixternal> haha
[06:54] <jsgotangco> geez freenode
[06:54] <nixternal> ya, ummm..someone say something about moving ;)
[06:55] <jsgotangco> well this doesnt happen a lot so its not really so bad
[06:55] <nixternal> i know..just being a smar @$$ on that one
[06:55] <mhz> netsplit
[06:56] <Madpilot> that was more than just a common netsplit - I haven't been able to connect to Freenode for a while...
[06:56] <nixternal> i was telling someone who is a fan of another server...that IRC is IRC...i have had nothing but a great experience here...i get the typical lagouts and the occasional netsplit
[06:56] <nixternal> other then that..this is good enough for me ;)
[06:56] <mhz> Madpilot: yeah, no one has been able
[06:56] <jsgotangco> heh i used to be in undernet for the longest time
[06:56] <Madpilot> fun
[06:56] <nixternal> ya Madpilot, it was telling me "NO YOU CANNOT CONNECT YET IDIOT - DENIED"
[06:56] <nixternal> but i didn't listen..i kept trying
[06:57] <jsgotangco> who else is in jabber here?
[06:57] <Madpilot> me
[06:57] <jsgotangco> what's your id?
[06:57] <Madpilot> via gmail - blurdesign@gmail.com
[06:58] <crimsun> I'm registered, but I rarely use it. I don't think I even have a client installed. ;-)
[06:58] <Madpilot> crimsun, Gaim does Jabber
[06:58] <nixternal> nixternal at gmail dot com       &        nixternal at jabber dot kubuntu dot de
[06:58] <jsgotangco> i think kopete does jabber
[06:58] <crimsun> Madpilot: yeah, I removed tons from ubuntu-desktop :-)
[06:58] <nixternal> kopete, gaim, and psi
[06:58] <nixternal> and bitlbee?
[06:58] <crimsun> I preferred gajim
[06:58] <nixternal> gajim is the gnome one yes
[06:58] <nixternal> couldn't remember the name
[06:59] <crimsun> my jabber id is on my LP page
[06:59] <nixternal> i use kopete, even though it disconnects something every 10 minutes
[06:59] <nixternal> lol, mine too
[07:01] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, what's your Jabber ID?
[07:01] <Madpilot> nevermind :)
[07:01] <crimsun> wow, massive breakage because of locales in Edgy.
[07:01] <jsgotangco> my network doesnt even work in edgy
[07:02] <troy_s> well that's good jsgotangco, you won't need to attend any of those network detox programmes
[07:02] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:13] <Madpilot> gah, no bot in #ubuntu... I can barely function :)
[07:20] <crimsun> hmm, Gossip is nice. Just how I like it, slim and functional.
[07:21] <Madpilot> Jabber client?
[07:21] <crimsun> yep.
[07:22] <nixternal> jsgotangco deleted me ;(
[07:22] <jsgotangco> huh?
[07:22] <nixternal> i couldn't add ya to my kopete, it said you denied me and deleted me
[07:22] <nixternal> lol
[07:22] <jsgotangco> doh!
[07:22] <jsgotangco> let me add you
[07:22] <jsgotangco> what's yours
[07:23] <nixternal> nixternal@jabber.kubuntu.de and/or nixternal@gmail.com
[07:24] <nixternal> jeesh, everybody at once ;)
[07:24] <nixternal> i gotta reload skype some day..wonder how many messages i have in it
[07:25] <jsgotangco> i hate that crap
[07:25] <jsgotangco> i boot up skype i get past messages on every pc i have it installed
[07:25] <nixternal> i do to...but my x and daughter use it
[07:31] <jsgotangco> yeah my wife does too
[07:31] <jsgotangco> uses it all night
[07:31] <jsgotangco> so i bought her a skype phone
[07:35] <nixternal> i bought a skype phone..worked for about 2 days and quit
[07:48] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18408     <- Burgundavia  Madpilot   jsgotangco    and anyone else....proof read & brutal honesty / constructive criticism
[07:50] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu would not be possible - "is" because its still an ongoing project but im not a native english speaker so...
[07:51] <nixternal> good point
[07:51] <nixternal> fixed locally
[07:51] <jsgotangco> generally its ok
[07:51] <nixternal> hmm
[07:51] <nixternal> Kubuntu is not possible?
[07:52] <nixternal> Kubuntu is not possible without the support of the community.
[07:52] <nixternal> ok...it flows
[07:52] <nixternal> i brainfarted for a second
[07:54] <jsgotangco> heh my mind is a bit numb ive been listening to thrash metal since morning
[07:54] <nixternal> hehe
[07:54] <nixternal> imbrandon got me hooked on a group he knows locally... element 80...they have good stuff...not quite thrash, but i like the sound
[07:55] <jsgotangco> my mind wont start without a morning dose of blood, guts, death and violence in music
[07:55] <jsgotangco> while eating homemade apple pie lol
[07:55] <nixternal> lol
[07:55] <nixternal> thats good stuff
[07:55] <crimsun> I fall asleep listening to thrash
[07:56] <nixternal> i fall asleep listening to crickets chirping
[07:56] <jsgotangco> heh i had the chance to rip my cds last weekend
[07:56] <Madpilot> nixternal, in that first paragraph, switch the last three lines w/ the first three
[07:57] <Madpilot> so it starts with "Kubuntu, an official partner project..."
[07:57] <nixternal> Kubuntu, an official partner project..... moves up above ....  Community driven, free in all...
[07:57] <Madpilot> otherwise it's a bit vague as to what the heck you're actally talking about :)
[07:57] <Madpilot> yes
[07:59] <nixternal> i kind of liked the 'community driven, free in all senses....globally available...." those were flashy...but switching it, takes it from flashy blah, to flashy pro
[07:59] <Madpilot> always start with *what* you're talking about, then tell us how cool it is and why we want it :)
[08:00] <nixternal> switching it takes it from telling you what it's to about to what is.....and flip flopping it..so now you get what it is, then what it's about....
[08:00] <nixternal> good call Madpilot
[08:01] <nixternal> your bro had a killer idea with this as well..and i am going to do it...aKademy can have this, but im making a kubuntu flyer to go with my cd's to hand out at Ubuntu Chicago's next event
[08:01] <nixternal> i think it is about ready to go...spell check it, read it one more time, and get it to Riddell
[08:02] <nixternal> is it CDs, CD's, or Cd's
[08:03] <Madpilot> you have lots of CDs, and the CD's contents include cool free software
[08:03] <crimsun> CDs
[08:03] <Madpilot> </grammar lesson> ;)
[08:03] <nixternal> hehe
[08:03] <crimsun> actually it would be CDs' above ;-)
[08:03] <nixternal> CD's is posessive...i got that ;)
[08:03] <crimsun> plural poss.
[08:04] <nixternal> well mine was singular, you had the plural poss ;)
[08:04] <jsgotangco> geeezz you native english speakers ;)
[08:04] <nixternal> hehe
[08:04] <crimsun> can you refresh the URL, nixternal?
[08:04] <jsgotangco> just wait when a true blue english man wakes up
[08:04] <nixternal> i refreshed it...
[08:05] <nixternal> or refresh it with the new stuff you mean?
[08:05] <crimsun> the latter.
[08:05] <crimsun> right, "What is Kubuntu?" would be my first question.
[08:06] <Burgundavia> nixternal: still too many words, from first flush
[08:06] <dsas> nixternal: second to last paragraph reads "shipip"
[08:06] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18410
[08:06] <nixternal> fixedt hat dsas ;)
[08:07] <nixternal> this has to fill an A5 formatted page
[08:07] <nixternal> at a minimum
[08:07] <crimsun> Kubuntu, an official partner project of Ubuntu, is a user-friendly operatin
[08:07] <Madpilot> how big is A5?
[08:07] <crimsun> err, sorry.
[08:07] <nixternal> like 5.5x8.5
[08:08] <nixternal> somewhere around that size
[08:08] <Madpilot> ah, half A4, so ~half-letter - right
[08:08] <nixternal> i guess it would be ;)
[08:08] <jsgotangco> put it on size 15 boldface typeset
[08:08] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:09] <Madpilot> nixternal, "fill" doesn't have to mean "stuffed edge to edge to edge with text" - whitespace is a good thing
[08:09] <nixternal> oh i know
[08:09] <nixternal> i would rather start with a lot then slim down, then start with nothing, and then try to fill the white space
[08:12] <crimsun> Kubuntu is a free, user-friendly operating system based on the K Desktop Environment. With a biannual release cycle, it is the secure, stable computing environment you have been awaiting. Its community-driven development and pervasive availability is grounded in the concept of *humanity to others*.
[08:12] <Madpilot> s/awaiting/waiting for.
[08:12] <Madpilot> awaiting seems too formal
[08:13] <nixternal> ooooh....i like it
[08:13] <crimsun> sure
[08:16] <crimsun> Kubuntu is available to everyone regardless of location, bank account status, Internet connectivity, native language, or technological know-how, with versions available for nearly all modern computers. You can even order free CDs through the ShipIt program.
[08:17] <crimsun> s/with versions available/with versions/
[08:20] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18411
[08:20] <nixternal> refresh
[08:20] <LaserJock> nice, I'm back
[08:21] <nixternal> wb!!!
[08:21] <crimsun> line 12 should be "its"
[08:21] <LaserJock> that was some netsplit
[08:21] <crimsun> I would also use "diverse" in place of "immense"
[08:22] <nixternal> fixed
[08:22] <crimsun> in fact, I think line 11 reads more smoothly as "Kubuntu is not possible without its users, because"
[08:22] <nixternal> fixed
[08:23] <crimsun> try to avoid brow-beating "community"
[08:23] <nixternal> ok
[08:23] <Madpilot> LaserJock, it was some larger server issue, not just a netsplit
[08:23] <Madpilot> LaserJock, you on Jabber?
[08:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:23] <nixternal> ya..we have been jabbercizing just in case it happens again
[08:24] <LaserJock> ah cool
[08:24] <jsgotangco> nixternal: do you listen to Ministry?
[08:24] <nixternal> only if im around my cousin
[08:24] <nixternal> im classic rocker
[08:24] <nixternal> 60's, 70's, and 80's
[08:24] <nixternal> late 60's at that
[08:24] <Madpilot> nixternal, Rolling Stones?
[08:24] <crimsun> line 13: "community consisting of individuals and teams alike working on different aspects, giving advice and technical support, and helping to..."
[08:25] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[08:25] <nixternal> of course
[08:25] <nixternal> beatles are about as old as i really go
[08:25] <Madpilot> LaserJock, on Jabber I'm blurdesign@gmail.com - you?
[08:25] <nixternal> stones, zep, floyd, the dead, and such
[08:26] <LaserJock> laserjock@jabber.org
[08:26] <Madpilot> ya, just got the buddy notification
[08:26] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: what's your jabber
[08:26] <nixternal> me too
[08:26] <nixternal> hehe
[08:27] <nixternal> jsgotangco@jabber.com
[08:27] <LaserJock> I'm adding people as fast as I can ;-)
[08:27] <nixternal> lol
[08:27] <nixternal> go go go
[08:27] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: remove the s
[08:28] <jsgotangco> nixternal: i have a good number of Ministry CDs, most of the songs are highly critacal of both Bush presidents
[08:28] <nixternal> crimsun: Kubuntu is not possible without its users, because all of its projects are designed, created, and implemented by a diverse community of users.
[08:29] <crimsun> nixternal: +1
[08:29] <nixternal> ty crimsun
[08:30] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: you get a authorization thingy from me?
[08:30] <jsgotangco> nope let me add you instead
[08:30] <jsgotangco> what's yours
[08:31] <LaserJock> laserjock@jabber.org
[08:31] <nixternal> the 2nd sentance in that paragraphs =>     The community, consisting of individuals and teams, work on different aspects of the distribution, giving advice and technical support, and helping to promote Kubuntu to a global audience.
[08:32] <crimsun> s/The community, consisting of i/I/
[08:32] <crimsun> s/teams,/teams/
[08:33] <crimsun> personally, avoid using "distribution"
[08:33] <nixternal> k
[08:34] <nixternal> you recommending a capitalization of individuals
[08:34] <crimsun> well yes, since you eliminate "The community, consisting of i"
[08:35] <crimsun> that is, if you want to separate it from the previous sentence.
[08:35] <nixternal> ahh...ok
[08:35] <LaserJock> wahooo, I've got 8 people in jabber now ;-)
[08:36] <Madpilot> that's two more than I have :)
[08:37] <Madpilot> are there any Ubuntu 'rooms' on Jabber?
[08:37] <jsgotangco> jabber has rooms?
[08:37] <nixternal> s/work on different aspects of the distribution/work on various aspects of Kubuntu/   <- i don't like this part at all
[08:38] <crimsun> nixternal: you could always enumerate a few of said aspects
[08:38] <nixternal> i was thinking the saem
[08:38] <nixternal> like programming/coding, packaging..the 2 biggies
[08:39] <LaserJock> you can do group chats with jabber but I dont' know how you know what to join
[08:39] <crimsun> artwork, documentation, technical support, and promoting Kubuntu to a wider audience
[08:40] <LaserJock> lol, I started a group chat
[08:40] <nixternal> Individuals and teams are what provide the artwork, documentation, technical support, as well as the promoting of Kubuntu to a wider audience.
[08:40] <crimsun> s/are what//
[08:40] <nixternal> ya LaserJock, it is called IRC :)
[08:40] <LaserJock> #ubuntu-elite@jabber.org password is rockstars ;-)
[08:40] <nixternal> gotcha
[08:41] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:41] <LaserJock> I don't know if it works
[08:41] <crimsun> "Individuals and teams provide the artwork, documentation, and technical support and promote Kubuntu to a wider audience."
[08:42] <Burgundavia> #inkscape has a jabber<-->irc bridge
[08:42] <nixternal> are they using bitlbee to do it?
[08:43] <Burgundavia> no idea
[08:43] <Burgundavia> hmm, gladiator was good, stupid fun. Can't be rome though, not enough nudity
[08:43] <nixternal> you could use bitlbee to get the jabber messages, and then use a bot that would link the local bitlbee with the actual #inkscape channel
[08:44] <Madpilot> that's probably how they do it, then
[08:44] <Madpilot> it's a bit odd being in the "same" room in both IRC & Jabber at the same time ;)
[08:47] <LaserJock> Madpilot: how are you doing that?
[08:47] <Madpilot> join #inkscape here on Freenode, and the inkscape Jabber chatroom via Gaim
[08:48] <Madpilot> no point usually, I was just messing around w/ Jabber
[08:48] <LaserJock> I just wondered if there were Ubuntu rooms
[08:49] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18412
[08:49] <nixternal> updated..could this be it?
[08:49] <nixternal> please be, so i can email it and goto bed ;)
[08:49] <crimsun> that's going to have to be /huge/ font
[08:49] <crimsun> cos that's like 1/10th of a page.
[08:50] <nixternal> 1/10th of an A5 sized page?
[08:51] <crimsun> oh, A5
[08:51] <crimsun> lines 13-14 are awkward
[08:51] <crimsun> well, mainly line 14
[08:52] <Madpilot> LaserJock, I've no idea if there are Ubuntu rooms - that's why I was asking :)
[08:52] <crimsun> "and technical support in addition to promoting Kubuntu to a wider audience."
[08:52] <nixternal> it is the /as well as the/ part that is awkward
[08:52] <crimsun> OR
[08:52] <nixternal> ya
[08:53] <crimsun> "and technical support and promote Kubuntu to a wider audience."
 "and technical support in addition to promoting Kubuntu to a wider audience."
[08:53] <nixternal> i like that one i think
[08:53] <crimsun> go with it
[08:54] <crimsun> third paragraph is definitely awkward
[08:54] <nixternal> the whole free thing i agree
[08:54] <nixternal> i refuse to use richard stallma's "free as in beer"
[08:54] <nixternal> stallman's as well
[08:56] <crimsun> "Kubuntu is Free Software, and giving you the rights to improve it and pass it on to friends and strangers alike distinguishes it from commercial computing environments.
[08:57] <crimsun> "
[08:57] <nixternal> Kubuntu is FOSS, Free and Open Source Software....
[08:57] <nixternal> haha, i was heading in that direction
[08:57] <nixternal> actually..i wasn't going anywhere close to that..i kinda like that
[08:58] <crimsun> line 22 should end with "versions"
[08:58] <crimsun> line 23 should have a capitalised "You"
[08:58] <mdke> good morning
[08:58] <nixternal> fixed
[08:58] <crimsun> I'd also rework lines 26-27
[08:59] <LaserJock> mdke: oh man, that means it's late here :-)
[09:00] <Madpilot> morning mdke 
[09:01] <nixternal> i like that last line...it sums everything up into one quick selling sentence
[09:01] <crimsun> repetition is powerful: Something like "Kubuntu - the easy to use, global community-driven, free operating environment for everyone!"
[09:01] <nixternal> the /that is Kubuntu!/ can go
[09:01] <crimsun> err
[09:01] <crimsun> s/operating/computing/
[09:01] <nixternal> yah
[09:03] <crimsun> you know one thing you /haven't/ mentioned is the support length
[09:03] <nixternal> heh..good point
[09:03] <LaserJock> ah cool, I found an ubuntu jabber room
[09:03] <LaserJock> ubuntu@conference.jabber.org
[09:03] <nixternal> #ubuntu
[09:03] <nixternal> i think that is hobbsee's channel actually..we used it during the freenode attacks a few weeks back
[09:04] <mdke> #?&$! @ http://www.buntudot.org/howtos/
[09:04] <crimsun> matthew LOVES howtos.
[09:04] <crimsun> this place needs more cowbell and howtos.
[09:05] <nixternal> hmmm...maybe this isn't the time to state that i am a contributor to that site ;)
[09:05] <nixternal> oh well..to late ;)
[09:05] <nixternal> i don't do the how-to's though..just the news
[09:05] <Madpilot> why isn't that content on help.u.c/community, nixternal?
[09:05] <nixternal> i can guarantee that content probably came off the wiki somewhere
[09:06] <nixternal> i haven't even looked at it truthfully
[09:06] <nixternal> ya, that is all on the wiki, and/or linked to someone else
[09:07] <mdke> everything on that site should be somewhere else, not just the howtos... the news should be on the fridge, the docs should be on the wiki, the blogs should be on planet
[09:07] <nixternal> you realise only "We" read the fridge?  and that only occurs to check meeting schedules and look at ponies..as the content hasn't been updated in god knows when
[09:08] <nixternal> s/in/since
[09:08] <mdke> nixternal: right, so you're saying the fridge needs improving. But you went and developed a new website?
[09:08] <Madpilot> nixternal, then volunteer to help maintain the Fridge :)
[09:08] <nixternal> i didn't develop anything
[09:08] <mdke> the fridge is looking for editors
[09:08] <nixternal> and they already have people getting ready to "help maintain" the fridge
[09:09] <mdke> exactle
[09:09] <Burgundavia> nixternal: maintain the fridge is mostly create/find content
[09:09] <Burgundavia> you can never have enough of those
[09:09] <nixternal> as long as you have akregator or the like, you don't have to find much, it comes to you ;)
[09:09] <mdke> right now all I can see that site (and things like ubuntux.org) adding is a few google adds making money for the owners
[09:10] <nixternal> ya, and those probably don't work
[09:10] <mdke> ubuntux.org is quite a lot worse though
[09:10] <LaserJock> I think buntudot.org is somewhat filling a void though
[09:10] <LaserJock> it might be nice to see an "offical" type place for it though
[09:11] <nixternal> buntudot.org is ALL community related news...in an un-official environment
[09:11] <crimsun> not to interrupt, but can we get that A5 out, please?
[09:11] <nixternal> hehe
[09:11] <crimsun> I would like to get a bit of shut-eye before my 7 AM conf call.
[09:11] <nixternal> you want to see a refresh?
[09:11] <mdke> nixternal: that is exactly what fridge is intended to be
[09:11] <crimsun> nixternal: yes, please
[09:12] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18415
[09:12] <LaserJock> mdke: but isn't
[09:12] <nixternal> bingo
[09:13] <Burgundavia> to be fair, I have never seen a really public annoucement asking for help on the fridge
[09:13] <Burgundavia> plus there is this "fear of asking for/using official resources"
[09:13] <LaserJock> exactly
[09:13] <mdke> Burgundavia: it should be the other way around.
[09:13] <crimsun> "Kubuntu is not possible without its users, because its projects are designed, created, and implemented by..."
[09:13] <crimsun> nixternal: ^
[09:13] <LaserJock> we have planet. fridge. help. etc. but nothing that pulls them together
[09:13] <nixternal> the fridge is pretty much everything official..buntudot is getting all kinds of ubuntu news that wouldn't make it on the fridge...plus i bet 75% of the people you poll in #kubuntu or #ubuntu will go "wtf is the fridge" or "that is where i keep my beer"
[09:13] <mdke> someone who wants to setup a rival website should come along and say "can I help improve the fridge?"
[09:13] <Burgundavia> uhhh
[09:14] <Burgundavia> if they don't even know it exists...
[09:14] <mdke> sure, if they don't know it exists, that's another matter
[09:14] <crimsun> nixternal: let's hammer out a bit about the >= 18-month support
[09:14] <mdke> but these do
[09:14] <nixternal> up top with that crimsun?
[09:14] <crimsun> nixternal: in the second paragraph for the previous suggestion
[09:14] <Burgundavia> mdke: letting people know it exists and letting people you know you need help are the same message
[09:14] <LaserJock> andreas's survey indicated that fridge was not seen as an important resource to most people
[09:15] <mdke> Burgundavia: yeah, I agree.
[09:15] <LaserJock> I think it's because it isn't utilized at this time
[09:15] <mdke> LaserJock: it clearly isn't. But it should be
[09:15] <Burgundavia> the fridge has not been updated in a month and half
[09:15] <LaserJock> mdke: oh, I agree
[09:15] <mdke> right, so efforts to change the situation would be a good thing
[09:15] <LaserJock> yep
[09:15] <LaserJock> but it isn't easy to do that, for most people
[09:16] <mdke> as far as I can see, the people who run that buntudot thingy are well integrated in the community, they can easily help out
[09:16] <LaserJock> it's "easier" to run their own stuff
[09:16] <crimsun> LaserJock: / mdke: why not lament (nicely) the lack of response for Ubuncon, for instance?
[09:16] <LaserJock> grrrr
[09:17] <LaserJock> mdke: but there has never been an annoucement or anything about fridge. People generally don't help out if the don't think they can
[09:17] <LaserJock> gotta run, sorry guys
[09:17] <nixternal> i was told they had it under control
[09:17] <mdke> cya
[09:17] <nixternal> later LaserJock
[09:17] <Burgundavia> the fridge was also long delayed
[09:17] <Burgundavia> that effectively killed it with in the community
[09:17] <mdke> I have to say, the idea of the "fridge" is a pretty bad one, I think. What does a fridge have to do with anything
[09:17] <nixternal> Kubuntu, featuring more then 18 months worth of support, is not possible....
[09:18] <nixternal> ^^ crimsun
[09:18] <Burgundavia> funny that the distro that did releasing correctly (come out of stealth mode with a full distro) screwed that minor part up so badly
[09:18] <nixternal> that worth crap
[09:18] <mdke> but the worst part has been that it hasn't been well run
[09:18] <nixternal> i don't like it
[09:18] <crimsun> nixternal: err, I don't see it?
[09:18] <nixternal> [02:18]  <nixternal> Kubuntu, featuring more then 18 months worth of support, is not possible....
[09:18] <mdke> Burgundavia: yeah.
[09:18] <crimsun> nixternal: oh, not in the pastebin yet?
[09:19] <nixternal> no..
[09:19] <mdke> It'd be nice to see a proper community website, well run, maybe merging planet into it, including more news items
[09:19] <nixternal> like kde dot com
[09:19] <nixternal> news.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <Burgundavia> dot kde is also pretty boring, tbh
[09:19] <nixternal> something like that
[09:19] <nixternal> it is very boring
[09:19] <Burgundavia> planet gnome often has more of interest on it
[09:20] <crimsun> nixternal: hmm, I think you could integrate it into the first paragraph pretty easily
[09:20] <nixternal> put it in with the biannual release cycle line
[09:20] <crimsun> yep
[09:21] <nixternal> With more then 18 months of """ support and a biannual release cycle
[09:21] <nixternal> 18 months of continued support
[09:21] <nixternal> no duh
[09:21] <crimsun> "With a biannual release cycle, each having at least 18 months of support, it is the secure, stable computing..."
[09:21] <nixternal> ahh..we will do 10 months now..take a break and give you 10 more...im an e.tard
[09:21] <nixternal> booyah crimsun
[09:22] <Burgundavia> mdke: I think the single problem is that jdub is in charge on the fridge. He is simply too busy to be doing something that like
[09:22] <crimsun> that pretty much covers all major points imo
[09:22] <Burgundavia> plus robitaille and whiprush are not any less busy
[09:22] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18417
[09:23] <nixternal> i could easily contribute to the fridge with news type stuff..i get all kinds of news on blackberrys, cell phones, satellite, akregator
[09:24] <nixternal> but in order for it to be official, it can't be some super small link tucked down on the right hand side of the community page
[09:24] <nixternal> and work ^^
[09:24] <crimsun> nixternal: looks much better imo
[09:24] <nixternal> i agree crimsun...now that was team work there
[09:25] <nixternal> the only thing that is mine is the top 3 lines ;)
[09:25] <nixternal> LOL
[09:25] <nixternal> you guys got the rest ;)
[09:25] <crimsun> err
[09:25] <crimsun> sec
[09:25] <crimsun> once-over for grammatical stuff :-)
[09:25] <nixternal> oh ya..im doing that again and again
[09:25] <crimsun> "Its community-driven development and pervasive availability /are/ grounded..."
[09:26] <nixternal> fixed
[09:26] <crimsun> and in line 14: "...provide the artwork, documentation, and technical assistance in addition to promoting..."
[09:27] <nixternal> fixed
[09:27] <nixternal> that last line did work out too..especially for consistency like you said
[09:28] <crimsun> ok, passed my tests
[09:28] <crimsun> probably want a couple others to look at it
[09:28] <nixternal> well now it is up to Riddell..he is the last person to approve it
[09:28] <nixternal> i will pastebin it for everyone to read
[09:29] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18418
[09:29] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to crash
[09:29] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:29] <nixternal> Burgundavia   Madpilot     and whoever else ^^
[09:29] <nixternal> nite Burgundavia
[09:30] <crimsun> yep, looks fine to me.
[09:30] <crimsun> the more eyes the better
[09:30] <nixternal> ya, especially since mine are closing
[09:30] <nixternal> how is the weather out there btw crimsun?
[09:31] <nixternal> are you close to the coast?  i can't remember
[09:31] <crimsun> today it stunk, mostly
[09:31] <crimsun> I'm 3 1/2 hours east of the Atlantic Ocean
[09:31] <crimsun> (by car)
[09:31] <crimsun> argh
[09:31] <nixternal> you mean west
[09:31] <crimsun> west
[09:31] <nixternal> lol
[09:31] <crimsun> yeah, I'm fairly directionally impaired
[09:32] <nixternal> you are a linux god, but can't tell east from west..that is scarry
[09:32] <crimsun> there are no linux gods
[09:32] <nixternal> guru ;)
[09:32] <crimsun> nah :-)
[09:33] <crimsun> anyhow, gotta once-over these presentations, so I'm away for a bit
[09:33] <nixternal> there is no way you can deny that..i have yet to see you get stuck on anything
[09:33] <nixternal> im gonna pass out...thanks crimsun for the help, it will be noted!!!
[09:34] <Madpilot> nixternal, much better
[09:34] <nixternal> good deal
[09:34] <Madpilot> need to crash myself - night, all
[09:35] <nixternal> everyone helped on that
[09:35] <nixternal> g'nite
[10:39] <mdke> Burgwork: yes, absolutely
[11:26] <mdke> Riddell: he'll be asleep at this time, can we help?
[11:29] <Riddell> mdke: sure, grab a stick and poke :)
[11:32] <mdke> Riddell: alrighty
[12:38] <manicka> evening all, when is the next docteam meeting?
[12:39] <mdke> manicka: friday at 19UTC we're having a special meeting focused on plans for edgy
[12:40] <manicka> ok, sounds good, I'll try to come and see what the future holds :)
[12:40] <mdke> cool
[12:42] <manicka> I'm looking for a new direction at the moment
[12:44] <mdke> manicka: what sort of direction?
[12:45] <manicka> something to get my teeth into with ubuntu. i assume you've heard what happened at the forums this week
[12:45] <jsgotangco> what happened?
[12:45] <mdke> manicka: no, I didn't hear
[12:46] <mdke> url?
[12:54] <manicka> sorry stepped out
[12:54] <manicka> basically the staff self imploded and half have left
[12:54] <jsgotangco> wow
[12:54] <manicka> 7 in all
[12:55] <jsgotangco> so who is left aside from ryan?
[12:55] <manicka> well everyone has already been replaced
[12:55] <manicka> the people no longer there
[12:55] <jsgotangco> what caused it?
[12:56] <manicka> are Kassetra, mstlyevil, bored2k, fleixius, teroedni, myself and KingBahamut
[12:57] <manicka> Kassetra and mstyevil were sacked, the next four left in anger and KingBahamut resigned in shame
[12:57] <jsgotangco> im familiar with the nicks and their contribs
[12:58] <manicka> and that's pretty much all i want to say about it
[12:58] <manicka> it's been a long week
[12:59] <mdke> gosh
[12:59] <mdke> manicka: did you approach the CC with your concerns about the sacked moderators?
[12:59] <mdke> I had no idea that had happened at all
[01:00] <manicka> apparently Ubuntu-Geek has already notified the CC and spun a story, I'm not sure about any other representations
[01:00] <manicka> to be honest I'm glad to be away from it all
[01:02] <manicka> forum life is draining
[01:02] <mdke> I spoke to Jane some time ago, she mentioned that they are talking to the forums about setting up a forum council which can have a transparent process for moderator appointments and which can go to the CC to resolve any problems
[01:02] <mdke> I think that sounds very positive
[01:03] <mdke> its definitely a shame if moderators are sacked without a transparent process for discussion
[01:03] <manicka> maybe. i don't really care anymore
[01:04] <mdke> :(
[01:04] <manicka> the two sackings were without any explanation except a 'trust we've done the right thing' message
[01:04] <mdke> that's definitely bad.
[01:04] <manicka> yeah
[01:06] <manicka> there was a vague statement about inappropriate behaviour and that was it
[01:06] <mdke> that's where the CC can help out
[01:06] <manicka> people who dug a little further are no longer there
[01:06] <manicka> maybe they can in the future under the new plan
[01:06] <manicka> but not on this occasion
[01:07] <mdke> well, chin up, these things tend to get resolved with time. I hope you won't be discouraged from contributing further to Ubuntu!
[01:07] <manicka> no no, just need to refocus
[01:08] <manicka> I no longer contribute in anyway to the udsf.. my biggest fallout was with KB
[01:08] <mdke> :(
[01:08] <mdke> since we spoke last I saw some of your and Naaman's ideas on the wiki team pages, and implemented them
[01:09] <mdke> for example, I rewrote the WikiGuide page and the post on the forum about how to contribute. I'd love it if you had a look and gave some feedback
[01:11] <mdke> we've also got some ideas underway about how to improve quality assurance on the wiki, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpWikiQualityAssurance
[01:12] <manicka> ok, I'll have a look :)
[04:39] <nixternal> [05:39]  <mdke> manicka: friday at 19UTC we're having a special meeting focused on plans for edgy     <--- at that time in #ubuntu-meeting the marketing team will be having a meeting
[04:41] <mdke> nixternal: yeah, I read on our mailing list
[04:41] <nixternal> ok..just wanted to make sure there wasn't going to be an overlap
[04:41] <jjesse_> btw nixternal good job on that page it was nice to see it in the the announcment on knot 1
[04:41] <jjesse_> cheer
[04:42] <nixternal> thanks...ya i woke up to that one and was suprised myself
[04:42] <nixternal> i dont' know why i wasnt' expexting that release info today, but i really wasn't
[04:44] <jsgotangco> wazzupp
[04:45] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco
[04:45] <jsgotangco> gee i had too much mangoes
[04:45] <nixternal> lol
[04:45] <jjesse_> hello jsgotangco
[04:45] <jsgotangco> i feel a bit itchy
[04:46] <jjesse_> allergic to mangos?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> no that's a natural effect of mangoes
[04:48] <jsgotangco> well the local mangoes here though if you have too much of it
[04:48] <jsgotangco> i had dried ones last night then i ate some fresh ones a few hours ago
[07:41] <LaserJock> anybody know of a good way to do a calendar on the wiki?
[07:41] <nixternal> i was trying the other day LaserJock
[07:41] <nixternal> i was reading somewhere on moinmoin about calendars...something about either a macro or a parser
[07:41] <LaserJock> or a good way to do a collaborative calendar period
[07:42] <nixternal> let me see if i can find it
[07:42] <nixternal> google.com
[07:42] <nixternal> ;)
[07:42] <nixternal> they have the calendar
[07:42] <nixternal> you can make it a public calendar, and you can subscribe to it and what not
[07:42] <LaserJock> I wonder if the LP calendar is any good
[07:43] <nixternal> whoa
[07:43] <jjesse_> whoa what?
[07:43] <nixternal> LaserJock: https://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/AyudaSobreMacros/MonthCalendar
[07:44] <nixternal> its in spanish so ;)
[07:44] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:44] <iGama> just use babelfish.altavista.com to translate that :p
[07:44] <LaserJock> but we wouldn't  have that on wiki.u.c would we?
[07:44] <nixternal> LaserJock: https://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnMacros/MonthCalendar
[07:44] <nixternal> booyah
[07:45] <iGama> lol
[07:45] <nixternal> all depends if they installed it or not
[07:45] <LaserJock> how would we know?
[07:45] <LaserJock> I'm guessing not
[07:45] <nixternal> you can test it in the sandbox ;)
[07:45] <jjesse_> hmm can't get to that page
[07:46] <LaserJock> http rather than https
[07:46] <jjesse_> ah that's really cool
[07:46] <nixternal> heck ya it is
[07:46] <nixternal> and when you click on a day, it will create a new page for that day so you can put stuff there
[07:47] <nixternal> i wouldn't recommend it as a journal, as there would be thousands of pages in no time ;)
[07:47] <crimsun> nixternal: so what happened w/ the A5?
[07:48] <LaserJock> nixternal: it worked on wiki.u.c?
[07:48] <nixternal> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MacroMarket/EvenCalendar
[07:48] <nixternal> that one is even better i think
[07:49] <nixternal> i haven't tried it
[07:49] <nixternal> crimsun: i sent it to Riddell, so i don't know what happened after that ;)
[07:49] <nixternal> i created a 'beta flyer' from the info though http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/
[07:51] <iGama> nixternal nice
[07:51] <nixternal> i need to learn inkscape so i can use it instead for stuff like that...OOo works fine with it, but exporting it to a PDF is bad, very bad
[07:51] <nixternal> thx iGama
[07:51] <iGama> im thinking of doing the same for my univesity, when the freshman start
[07:51] <nixternal> iGama: stop that autoway ;)
[07:51] <iGama> im sorry lol
[07:51] <iGama> this should be hiden...
[07:51] <nixternal> hehe
[07:52] <nixternal> lol
[07:52] <LaserJock> nixternal: you aren't using Scribus?
[07:52] <nixternal> i use it LaserJock, but i need to learn it better as well
[07:52] <nixternal> i get frustrated when it is "simple" sometimes ;)
[07:52] <nixternal> s/is/isn't
[07:54] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't think wiki.u.c has it, I just pasted it and did a preview and it doesn't show up
[07:55] <nixternal> with macros you have to save
[07:55] <nixternal> preview doesn't show macros
[07:55] <nixternal> ahh..thats bs..because you can see ToC's and what not, but you can't see like @SIG@ until you save
[07:56] <nixternal> anywho, lunchtime!!!
[07:56] <nixternal> bbiaf
[07:57] <LaserJock> hmm, I saved it and it still didn't work
[08:16] <Burgwork> mdke, Riddell uhh?
[08:25] <LaserJock> Burgwork: uh what?
[08:25] <LaserJock> or is it totally none of my business :-)
[08:26] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I believe Riddell was commenting on my comment last night about KDE dropping the "the free desktop" part
[08:27] <LaserJock> ah
[08:31] <iGama> i have a present :)
[08:31] <iGama> karpa.ath.cx/penguin.pdf
[08:31] <iGama> :p
[08:31] <iGama> for those of you how need a break :)
[08:34] <mdke> Burgwork: no idea what it was about
[09:17] <LaserJock> hmm, it seems ubuntu-doc-commits is a little behind
[09:17] <LaserJock> last I see is r 3176
[09:17] <LaserJock> and we are at r 3180
[09:43] <nixternal> hiya guys and gals