[04:35] <Rinchen> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1990777,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594
[04:46] <nixternal> hiya Rinchen
[04:47] <nixternal> you guys..be brutally honest on this..this is a draft i am working on for kubuntu and the aKademy book     http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/aKademy_blurb.pdf
[04:48] <Rinchen> Sounds like the basics of a flyer Nix
[04:48] <Rinchen> You're trying to sell something with it
[04:49] <nixternal> no..it is going in a book
[04:49] <nixternal> it is an "about kubuntu"
[04:49] <nixternal> so in a fact, everyone who gets this book for the aKademy will read it
[04:49] <Rinchen> bingo. That's my point.
[04:50] <Rinchen> It's written like a sales pitch rather than a history/intro
[04:50] <Rinchen> at least it reads that way to me
[04:50] <Rinchen> wording is good, writing is good
[04:54] <nixternal_> arg
[04:54] <nixternal_> wording wise and what not, does it flow good?  is it professional looking?
[04:54] <Rinchen> content wise I like it
[04:54] <Rinchen> perspective wise...well, doesn't seem to fit what I think should be in a book
[04:55] <Rinchen> but don't take that as a rejection. I'm no expert in these matters.
[05:04] <nixternal> this is just a spot for a "sponsorship ad'
[05:04] <nixternal> it isn't a book you and i would buy to read
[05:04] <nixternal> it is more of a program
[05:04] <nixternal> sorry..book is a bad anaology
[05:04] <nixternal> s/anaology/analogy
[05:27] <Rinchen> nix...ah, well then...that changes things
[05:27] <nixternal> hehe
[05:46] <sara> hello
[05:48] <Rinchen> Hi Sara
[06:41] <nixternal> woohoo
[06:41] <nixternal> that was fun
[06:41] <Rinchen> Good thing I have my important channels on OFTC ;-)
[06:42] <gaz00> Rinchen, ubuntu-colorado is an important channel?   what am i missing there? :p
[06:43] <nixternal> heh Rinchen
[06:43] <Rinchen> ch/he/eh/
[06:43] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:43] <gaz00> hehe... i just felt left out!!!
[06:43] <nixternal> i was on OFTC earlier
[06:44] <nixternal> i think that ubuntu will be over there b4 edgy is released
[06:44] <Rinchen> I sympathize with Seveas but I have been very fond of OFTC as of late.
[06:44] <nixternal> im willing to go as far and say, before knot 3 there will be a move
[06:44] <nixternal> besides my random knock off's here at freenode, i have no problem what so ever
[06:44] <nixternal> IRC is IRC no matter where it is iat
[06:44] <nixternal> i have been using it since bbs died
[06:45] <Rinchen> hey, BBS's aren't dead.
[06:45] <nixternal> well..they have been replaced
[06:45] <Rinchen> http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/
[06:52] <nixternal> that is seriously scarry
[06:52] <nixternal> but i am almost tempted to purchase it for humor
[06:53] <Rinchen> I went to high school with the guy who created it. It's fantastic.
[06:53] <Rinchen> it's also LONG
[06:53] <Rinchen> you have to break open some champagne when you get through it....
[06:54] <Rinchen> or smoke a cigarette....one of those two
[08:37] <adamant1988> hey all
[05:56] <adamant1988> hello all
[07:07] <gaz00_work> hey - out of curiousity, who runs the ubuntu counter project?
[07:13] <MenZa> gaz00_work: look at the footer of the site.
[07:17] <gaz00_work> Ah, right.  didn't scroll down past the buttons..whoops
[07:18] <gaz00_work> since they hit digg, 300 new machines have been registered (10mins)
[07:29] <Bilange> nice to see the counter server is still alive :)
[07:30] <Bilange> (even with digg, that is)
[07:31] <nixternal> elkbuntu is who runs taht
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Bilange, its gone downa few times (the backend)
[08:07] <NoName> any way I can help with the ubuntu magazine?
[08:09] <NoName> hello?
[08:09] <gaz00_work> NoName,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/TODO, I believe that Jenda will be back tues
[08:10] <gaz00_work> i'm not associated with the team, so I don't really konw what's going on
[08:10] <NoName> ok
[08:11] <gaz00_work> I know that sarah was working on creating a new bzr branch earlier today
[08:11] <gaz00_work> and the wiki mentions that she needs lots of help, so you might want to get in touch with her
[08:12] <gaz00_work> find her here:  https://launchpad.net/people/sara-tikal26
[08:13] <NoName> ok
[08:14] <NoName> I can help with the logo, unless you want to use the normal ubuntu logo
[08:17] <NoName> g2g
[08:25] <adamant1988> hey all
[08:25] <MenZa> NO! GO AWAY!
[08:26] <Klaidas> wha?
[08:26] <MenZa> :D
[08:26] <Klaidas> :))
[08:26] <adamant1988> don't tell me what to do
[08:27] <adamant1988> hey guys want to help me with a little research?
[08:27] <MenZa> What're you researching?
[08:28] <sara> adamant did you read the e-mail by Chris Kenyon he has as similar idea to your testimonail, maybe you should contact him
[08:30] <adamant1988> I'm researching a theory of mine.
[08:30] <adamant1988> quick question, how many of your friends use Ubuntu?
[08:30] <adamant1988> ...
[08:30] <adamant1988> anyone home?
[08:31] <adamant1988> sorry about that
[08:32] <adamant1988> ok, how many of your friends did you get using Ubuntu?
[08:36] <gaz00_work> you mean as their primary OS?
[08:37] <adamant1988> uhm, sure let's go with that
[08:37] <adamant1988> if I don't like those numbers then we'll go with the alternative
[08:38] <gaz00_work> way to go with unbiased research...
[08:38] <adamant1988> lol :P
[08:38] <adamant1988> it was a joke
[08:38] <adamant1988> yes I mean primary os
[08:38] <gaz00_work> :p
[08:38] <gaz00_work> only 1 for me
[08:39] <adamant1988> out of how many would you say?
[08:39] <gaz00_work> out of how many computer users?   Heh.. a lot.
[08:39] <adamant1988> how many have you tried to get using it I mean
[08:40] <gaz00_work> Ohhh....   I have only tried with those that are technically inclined  and don't work in niche markets -- so 1 / 5 or so.
[08:41] <gaz00_work> the 1 that did switch works primarily in R, so it was easy to switch apparently
[08:41] <adamant1988> hrmmm
[08:41] <adamant1988> I'm trying to get some numbers together to work on a more effective advertising for Ubuntu.  I just don't think that any form of online advertising is going to do it.
[08:42] <adamant1988> It occurs to me after trying to switch my fiance, friends and family.  The primary reason people don't want to switch is risk.   The RISK that they may lose some kind of functionality of their computer, etc.
[08:43] <adamant1988> and an online advertising isn't going to make them feel less risk in the switch, but having someone they trust offer to help... that alleviates a lot of the risk...
[08:45] <gaz00_work> true - that and switching seems to be a huge barrier for those that aren't really too techy and are used to windows.   the idea of learning how to check email again (even if it's just a different name) scares many non-computer geeks
[08:45] <gaz00_work> Personally, I found that the best way to get people to consider it is to just let them use it.  I had 4 people staying at my place last week, all without computers and I made accounts for them to use my main ubuntu machine without telling them anything
[08:46] <serenity> hi
[08:46] <gaz00_work> They mucked around for a bit, and were totally at home within an hour or so.
[08:46] <gaz00_work> most thought that it was a different version of windows and didn't even realize that it was linux
[08:46] <gaz00_work> of course, that's not doing any admin work, just surfing the web, running a few apps, doing their resumes up, etc
[08:47] <gaz00_work> serenity,  hi!
[08:48] <serenity> i am giving cd's out, help them and spread the word...what can i do else?
[08:51] <gaz00_work> serenity, there are tons of ways to help out.  Take a look through [ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate ] 
[08:51] <serenity> wear a ubuntu-shirt all the time ;)
[08:52] <adamant1988> serentity, take some time to actually talk to the people
[08:52] <adamant1988> and if possible demo the live-cd to them
[08:52] <adamant1988> I try to do that with my laptop
[08:53] <serenity> on our lug, there was a linux-installation party and we installed kubuntu on the virgin machines
[08:55] <adamant1988> I don't have a lug
[08:59] <adamant1988> i'm actually trying to start one
[08:59] <adamant1988> and I'm seeing if we can get floor space in a local store to start a 'linux center'.
[09:06] <gaz00_work> adamant1988, where are you located?
[09:08] <adamant1988> West Virginia
[09:08] <adamant1988> yep....
[09:12] <adamant1988> why gaz00_work
[09:12] <gaz00_work> just curious if you were anywhere close to me :)
[09:18] <adamant1988> LOL ok gaz00_work
[09:43] <nixternal> hmm
[09:45] <adamant1988> hmmmm
[09:45] <adamant1988> empty roomage
[10:04] <nixternal> Team, if you have a great idea that hasn't been documented yet, I would hold off on discussing it in this channel, or any other channel that is being logged. So if you are planning on leading a project, document it on the wiki or elsewhere first before you bring it here
[10:05] <nixternal> Further information will be communicated upon confirmation and email communications have occurred
[10:11] <adamant1988> I second that.
[10:48] <adamant1988> ugh
[10:48] <adamant1988> this situation is very upsetting...
[11:54] <jenda> nixternal?
[11:56] <jenda> nvm... sleep