[12:09] <kwwii> there is a lot to explain
[12:09] <kwwii> ideas, etc
[12:09] <pygi> imbrandon_: you should see the mail I just got about iBook?
[12:10] <kwwii> I wanted to start looking for icons and artwork
[12:10] <kwwii> perhaps tomorrow we could take 10 minutes and discuss things
[12:10] <pygi> kwwii: indeed, could we do this tommorow pls (today that is) because its kinda late now and I cant think properly? :P
[12:10] <kwwii> yeah, me either, don't worry
[12:10] <imbrandon_> pygi:  sure you can forward it to me if you want 
[12:11] <pygi> imbrandon_: I cant, it isnt on english
[12:11] <pygi> kwwii: thanks :)
[12:11] <imbrandon_> pygi: i can use google language tool or some such to get the jest of it
[12:11] <imbrandon_> if you want
[12:12] <pygi> imbrandon_: nobody can give you the feeling of how funny this actually is, trust me:P
[12:12] <imbrandon_> heheh
[12:12] <imbrandon_> whats up?
[12:14] <pygi> hm, I cant explain really :P
[12:14] <pygi> But its basicly about me asking how much would he ask for a iBook (same as urs, unused) and he got all confused :P
[12:45] <nixternal> Riddell: sorry to bug ya, but the kubuntu.org email is still null here
[12:45] <nixternal> if ya need me, i will be in a chicago style pizza ;)
[12:53] <kwwii> erm -_
[12:54] <kwwii> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[12:55] <kwwii> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kdm-21.07.06.png
[12:57] <omeow> I like the white login.
[12:57] <omeow> Don't quite like the black buttons, but that's just me.
[12:58] <omeow> The one below is too dark.
[12:58] <kwwii> yeah, the button text color is kinda funny
[12:59] <neoncode> What is it with kubuntu and the bubbles?
[12:59] <omeow> Yes.
[12:59] <omeow> I really like the latest file you linked to.
[12:59] <kwwii> no idea, I just kinda pulled it otu of my ass
[12:59] <kwwii> out
[12:59] <kwwii> it does not have to be bubbles
[12:59] <omeow> It's a "clean" look. 
[12:59] <kwwii> but it seems to fit
[12:59] <omeow> Bubbles, soap, clean.
[12:59] <neoncode> ... I kinna like the bubbles
[12:59] <freeflying> morning all  :)
[01:00] <kwwii> yeah
[01:00] <neoncode> I didn't like the default background on dapper kubuntu though.. Yuck...
[01:00] <neoncode> freeflying: I'ts exacly midnight here! Good morning indded!
[01:00] <kwwii> hehe it is exactly 1 am here
[01:00] <omeow> I didn't like it either. Changed it into a vertical gradient. (top blueish, bottom whiteish) But I guess that's something everyone changes.
[01:01] <kwwii> hehe
[01:01] <kwwii> i made that pic
[01:01] <kwwii> so this idea is better?
[01:01] <neoncode> Who made the window decor?
[01:01] <neoncode> in dapper?
[01:01] <kwwii> I made everything
[01:01] <kwwii> in a couple of months
[01:02] <kwwii> check that wiki page (the top) for a view of the new stuff
[01:02] <neoncode> Ohhhh... to be honest I didn't realy like it...But I like this screenshot of the logon box thing... that's pretty
[01:02] <kwwii> I did not really like it either :p
[01:02] <kwwii> and I made it
[01:02] <kwwii> we need to fix the buttons
[01:02] <kwwii> and the gradient for the titlebar
[01:03] <kwwii> but I have the gradient pretty close, I think
[01:03] <kwwii> it depends on how much you like purple :p
[01:03] <kwwii> dude, everyone can dislike what they want, I take no hard feelings about things
[01:03] <neoncode> Heh. 
[01:03] <imbrandon> 6pm here ( yea i'm late on the convo lol )
[01:03] <kwwii> hehe
[01:04] <Riddell> kwwii: do you have the full size akademy logo?
[01:04] <nixternal_> omg kwwii that owns!!!  awesome job on the artwork
[01:04] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, I made it
[01:04] <kwwii> I gave it to tink, for printing if that is why you ask
[01:04] <neoncode> hi Riddell, not that I realy know you....
[01:05] <imbrandon> kwwii: have you seen the polyester kwin buttons ? they are slick
[01:05] <kwwii> imbrandon: yes, and I think that something along that lines is the best for kubuntu...I will get to that in a few days
[01:05] <kwwii> they are too simple for me
[01:05] <kwwii> but perhaps with the right colors
[01:06] <imbrandon> yea
[01:06] <kwwii> they would work fine
[01:06] <imbrandon> omg i just seen the light blue login , man that is awesom
[01:07] <kwwii> Riddell: what kind of file do you want?
[01:07] <kwwii> I have a png on my site
[01:07] <kwwii> and an ai I think
[01:07] <kwwii> I can upload an svg as well
[01:09] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/akademy-2006-da.png
[01:09] <imbrandon> 404
[01:09] <kwwii> yeah, no shit
[01:09] <kwwii> I just saw that
[01:09] <imbrandon> heh
[01:10] <Riddell> kwwii: well Kubuntu is sponsoring akademy so I was thinking we should put in a quick akademy wallpaper 
[01:10] <kwwii> now it works
[01:10] <kwwii> Riddell: cool
[01:10] <kwwii> I will put the svg online
[01:11] <neoncode> KDE has cogs, kubuntu has bubbles. Prehaps we should have a cog-shaped bubble?
[01:11] <kwwii> Riddell: or is that pic big enough?
[01:12] <Riddell> kwwii: that's probably big enough
[01:12] <kwwii> Riddell: let me know if I can help further
[01:12] <kwwii> hehe, a cog shaped bubble
[01:12] <kwwii> yeah
[01:12] <kwwii> like I can pull that out of my ass
[01:12] <kwwii> :p
[01:13] <imbrandon> lol
[01:13] <neoncode> Wouldn't that be painfull...
[01:13] <imbrandon> it would look more like a bloon animal than a bubble
[01:13] <imbrandon> baloon*
[01:14] <neoncode> imbrandon: A GNU baloon animal?
[01:14] <kwwii> you guys are wierd
[01:14] <kwwii> :D
[01:14] <neoncode> kwwii: Thanks!
[01:14] <imbrandon> lol
[01:14] <kwwii> next time I do something like that I will take a pic
[01:17] <kwwii> nope
[01:17] <kwwii> it seems like I am done for tonight
[01:17] <imbrandon> hahahahaha
[01:17] <neoncode> Ewww...
[01:17] <kwwii> no really, my shit doesn't stink
[01:18] <neoncode> Sick... yet strangly funny...
[01:18] <kwwii> strange, yet sickly funny?
[01:18] <kwwii> :-)
[01:18] <neoncode> That too
[01:22] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/akademy-kubuntu.png
[01:23] <kwwii> dude, nothing against you or anything, but let me do that
[01:23] <Riddell> :)
[01:23] <kwwii> when do you have to release that?
[01:23] <Riddell> didn't want to cause you trouble
[01:23] <Riddell> I don't, it's a completely temporary thing
[01:23] <crimsun> the blue logo is a bit ... unique against that background. :-)
[01:23] <Riddell> it'll only be in a couple of Knot releases
[01:24] <omeow> Hm. I'm a bit unsure. I just filed a comment on this bug; http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128567
[01:24] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 128567 in general "[PATCH] : crash due to uncaught exception while trying to resolve missing files at startup." [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  
[01:24] <kwwii> I have to get up early and take my kid to school, wife to work, go to the bank, etc...after that I can work on it
[01:24] <omeow> But now I kindof realise that it might be a seperate bug. Can anyone agree with that? :)
[01:25] <omeow> I'm not using a usb drive. Just downloading to my home folder which is always accessible.
[01:30] <Riddell> omeow: sounds different
[01:31] <omeow> I thought so.
[01:31] <omeow> Although, I'm a bit confused since they're using the svn build there. Not sure if that was before or after 2.0rc1 was released.
[01:36] <kwwii> time for sleep now
[01:36] <imbrandon> gnight kwwii 
[01:36] <kwwii> bis morgen
[01:36] <kwwii> sleep well
[01:37] <jjesse> evening :)
[01:38] <omeow> Riddell, did you have time to patch the xinerama stuff in or were you too busy with other stuff?
[01:39] <Riddell> omeow: it's just gone up tonight, with any luck should be in the archives by the morning
[01:39] <omeow> In what form? (*hopes for a package*)
[01:39] <Riddell> yes, packages in edgy
[01:40] <neoncode> Has Edgy Flight 1 been launched yet?
[01:40] <omeow> Does that mean I won't be able to test them in dapper?
[01:40] <crimsun> neoncode: if you meant Knot-1, yes.
[01:41] <neoncode> Knot?
[01:41] <jjesse> yes they are all called knots
[01:41] <jjesse> knots are how efts reproduce :)
[01:42] <Riddell> omeow: it does, but knot 1 is pretty stable for a testing release
[01:43] <omeow> Riddell, how would I get my current dapper (with KDE3.5.3) into shape for testing those packages?
[01:44] <Riddell> sudo sed -i s/dapper/edgy/ /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <omeow> Is it a good idea to log-out of KDE when I upgrade the KDE stuff?
[01:46] <omeow> Probably... 
[01:47] <neoncode> Wait, are the devlopment versions called something diffrent each time?
[01:47] <neoncode> Like Flight for dapper and Knot for Edgy or something?
[01:47] <jjesse> correct neoncode
[01:47] <imbrandon> breezy was colonys, dapper flights , edgy knots
[01:48] <jjesse> drakes are also known as dragons, hence the name flight
[01:48] <jjesse> knots are how efts (the edgy eft) reproduces :)
[01:53] <Riddell> it's collective nouns
[01:55] <omeow> urfg
[01:55] <omeow> Why am I not suprised? =/
[01:56] <omeow> I get loads of warnings about locales. Falling back to "C".
[01:56] <omeow> Then I get frontend: cannot connect to x-server
[01:57] <omeow> dpkg: error processing debconf
[01:57] <omeow> segfault
[01:58] <omeow> Why is it trying to connect to the x-server?
[01:59] <crimsun> dist-upgrading from Dapper to Edgy doesn't preserve your locales
[01:59] <omeow> I don't mind. I just use english.
[01:59] <omeow> That doesn't seem to be the problem though.
[02:00] <omeow> The problem is that it segfaults while trying to connect to x-server.
[02:00] <crimsun> I'd start of by ``sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8''
[02:00] <crimsun> off ^
[02:00] <omeow> But why should dpkg connect to it?
[02:00] <crimsun> dpkg isn't trying to connect to your X server; debconf is.
[02:01] <crimsun> more appropriately a certain debconf frontend is
[02:01] <omeow> adept?
[02:02] <omeow> (I have no idea what a frontent to depconf is. I definitely didn't install it on purpose, it must have been a dependancy or something.)
[02:02] <omeow> After using locale-gen, the error still shows up when I try to install things.
[02:02] <crimsun> the debconf error?
[02:02] <omeow> No
[02:03] <omeow> Is it using perl to set those locales or something?
[02:03] <omeow> Most messages have perl: in front of it.
[02:05] <omeow> hmhm
[02:05] <omeow> depconf wasn't installed. 
[02:07] <omeow> debconf: unable to initialize display :kde
[02:07] <omeow> (I've been seeing that error a lot in adepts detailed install info too.)
[02:07] <omeow> Anyway, seems to be on it's way again.
[02:12] <omeow> And we have a new error...
[02:12] <omeow> This time on kdebase-data & kdelibs-data
[02:12] <omeow> This is most likely because of ktorrent's overwriting a mimetype thing.
[02:14] <omeow> or .desktop file, whichever it was. (you have to install it with --force-overwrite)
[02:21] <omeow> man these errors are cryptic.
[02:22] <omeow> It seems as if it's trying to remove gsfonts-x11
[02:22] <omeow> and then part of the helpfile is piped through.
[02:24] <bddebian> Hello
[02:24] <omeow> Hi.
[02:24] <omeow> unpacking replacement gsfonts-x11...
[02:24] <omeow> usage error: unrecognised option
[02:27] <omeow> Riddell: are all these errors common?
[02:29] <omeow> I can't get gsfonts-x11_0.20.deb to install. I can install 0.17, but that gives errors in kde-data.
[02:35] <abattoir> omeow: have you upgraded, and rebooted?
[02:38] <omeow> abattoir: No, i'm still trying to upgrade, obviously.
[02:38] <abattoir> omeow: adept has been uninstalled?
[02:39] <omeow> Not yet.
[02:39] <abattoir> because i got almost the same set of errors that your are getting
[02:39] <omeow> I'm getting the adept error now.
[02:39] <omeow> For some reason it's affraid to overwrite something.
[02:39] <abattoir> cool :)
[02:39] <abattoir> uh, ok, sorry
[02:39] <omeow> How do I remove adept?
[02:39] <abattoir> for me, the upgrade stopped and i was given the prompt...
[02:40] <abattoir> i dist-upgraded again
[02:40] <abattoir> and adept was automatically removed
[02:40] <omeow> It isn't doing that for me.
[02:40] <omeow> It's suggesting to run apt-get -f install
[02:40] <abattoir> omeow: ok, let it continue then... ok, do that
[02:41] <omeow> I am.
[02:42] <omeow> when did you upgrade, abattoir?
[02:42] <abattoir> earlier this week, i dont remember the day... sorry
[02:42] <abattoir> before the main freeze though
[02:42] <omeow> lots of problems too?
[02:42] <abattoir> so i had to constantly do 'update' and fetch new packages
[02:43] <abattoir> yes, almost identical to what you get
[02:43] <abattoir> i ignored them and continued
[02:43] <abattoir> after i rebooted, x wouldnt start... it was broken
[02:43] <abattoir> said something like it couldnt find the font 'fixed'
[02:44] <omeow> hm
[02:44] <abattoir> so i did some searching and found that xfs(x font service)...
[02:44] <abattoir> was missing
[02:45] <abattoir> i installed that, and reinstalled the x-base-fonts package(<-- sorry dont remember exact name)
[02:45] <abattoir> i'll look up that name for you
[02:45] <abattoir> then after a reboot, it worked fine
[02:45] <abattoir> and everything else worked fine...
[02:45] <abattoir> the only thing is adept... or the lack of it
[02:46] <omeow> I got the fixed font error too now.
[02:46] <abattoir> if you are ok with it, then edgy is pretty stable and fast
[02:46] <abattoir> ok, install xfs
[02:47] <abattoir> and reinstall xfonts-base (i think)
[02:47] <abattoir> wait i'll do an apt-cache policy
[02:47] <abattoir> yes, that's it
[02:47] <abattoir> xfonts-base
[02:48] <omeow> how do I re-install the package? remove then install again?
[02:48] <abattoir> 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xfonts-base'
[02:48] <omeow> nice. =P
[02:49] <abattoir> works?
[02:49] <omeow> I figured it was apt-get reinstall xfonts-base
[02:49] <abattoir> oh, heh :)
[02:51] <omeow_> hmhm
[02:51] <omeow> Hopefully this did the trick.
[02:52] <abattoir> it did at least for me, after an hour of researching :(
[02:52] <omeow> Yeah, I'm back in now.
[02:52] <abattoir> in X/KDE ?
[02:52] <omeow> Yeah, KDE.
[02:52] <abattoir> cool
[02:53] <abattoir> i havent experienced any other problems... it has been very stable, as of now...
[02:53] <abattoir> not a single crash
[02:53] <omeow> I'll see.
[02:53] <omeow> It's just such a hassle to upgrade this stuff when you're not quite familiar with how things work.
[02:53] <omeow> The errors are very cryptic.
[02:54] <abattoir> well, to be fair, it is a development version, and the first few weeks after the sync can be expected to be like this :)
[02:54] <omeow> Yeah, that's true.
[02:57] <omeow> So you're running without adept now, abattoir?
[02:58] <omeow> It seems installed for me still.
[02:58] <jjesse_> knot 1 cd from yesterday doesn't launch kde correct when run in live cd mode
[02:58] <abattoir> omeow: yes, it was uninstalled for me... maybe it is fixed now
[02:59] <jjesse_> i don't get the taskbar or antyhing
[02:59] <omeow> abattoir, I got lots of missing icons though.
[02:59] <abattoir> omeow: i havent felt the need, so havent tried installing it
[02:59] <abattoir> omeow: system-wide, or only adept?
[02:59] <omeow> system-wide
[02:59] <omeow> Still lots of stuff to upgrade.
[02:59] <omeow> That's probably why.
[03:00] <abattoir> omeow: you havent upgraded fully? only KDE?
[03:00] <abattoir> i mean, the process is still on?
[03:00] <omeow> I don't know, the prompt somehow stopped without errors, I thought it was done.
[03:00] <abattoir> omeow: try again... see if yo have everything upgraded
[03:01] <abattoir> *you
[03:02] <abattoir> omeow: amd64 by any chance?
[03:02] <omeow> No.
[03:02] <abattoir> oh ok
[03:06] <abattoir> omeow: there are still packages which havent been installed?
[03:06] <omeow> lots
[03:06] <omeow> installing those now.
[03:07] <abattoir> aah, ok, the icons should show after that. ;)
[03:07] <omeow> yay another error. =/
[03:07] <abattoir> adept?
[03:07] <omeow> hell if I know...
[03:09] <abattoir> omeow: try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' again...
[03:09] <omeow> tried
[03:09] <abattoir> omeow: does the same error come up?
[03:09] <omeow> apt-get -f install is recommended.
[03:09] <abattoir> did that?
[03:09] <omeow> Doing that now.
[03:14] <omeow> Why doesn't it just overwrite the file?
[03:15] <abattoir> omeow: i dont know, did you try continuing or -f ?
[03:15] <omeow> define continuing
[03:15] <abattoir> do 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' again
[03:15] <omeow> I get the same error I just sent you.
[03:16] <abattoir> 'sudo apt-get install -f' ?
[03:16] <omeow> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 28 not upgraded.
[03:16] <abattoir> 'sudo apt-get upgrade' ?
[03:16] <abattoir> i guess that would say 0 packages too
[03:17] <omeow> Now you're just guessing commands aren't you? =P
[03:17] <omeow> In any case, no that doesn't work either.
[03:17] <imbrandon> omeow: you have to sudo apt-get install the python packages it lists
[03:17] <abattoir> omeow: standard procedure, am only try to help :)
[03:17] <omeow> I know, abattoir.
[03:17] <abattoir> *trying
[03:17] <omeow> This isn't about python, imbrandon.
[03:18] <abattoir> omeow: i think he means the 28 not upgraded packages
[03:18] <abattoir> omeow: i think all the other pacakges have been installed....
[03:18] <imbrandon> yea the 28 not upgraded
[03:19] <imbrandon> manualy tell them to install
[03:19] <abattoir> hello imbrandon :)
[03:19] <omeow> So now I have to type all those packages into the command line...
[03:19] <abattoir> omeow: just copy paste them, if you are using konsole that is :P
[03:20] <omeow> Right. 
[03:20] <imbrandon> ctl c ctl v is your friend
[03:21] <omeow> or one of the other zillion ways to copy paste stuff. =P
[03:21] <omeow> Ok, so now those packages have installed, and I still get the same error.
[03:21] <imbrandon> what error ?
[03:22] <omeow> The one I just tried to send you, but you refused. =P
[03:22] <abattoir> omeow: want to try manually removing kpartsaver.desktop?
[03:22] <imbrandon> this client doesnt dcc well
[03:24] <imbrandon> remove kscreensaver package
[03:24] <imbrandon> and install debconf
[03:24] <omeow> Already installed.
[03:25] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get --purgfe remove kscreensaver
[03:25] <imbrandon> --purge
[03:26] <omeow> imbrandon, I've removed the package and then apt-get dist-upgrade'd again. Now it seems to have stopped throwing errors at me.
[03:26] <omeow> I think I'll go log out and back in to see if everything still works.
[03:26] <imbrandon> before you reboot run " sudo dpkg --configure -a "
[03:26] <imbrandon> doh
[03:27] <imbrandon> you need to run sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:28] <imbrandon> and sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:28] <imbrandon> befroe you reboot
[03:28] <imbrandon> omeow: ^^
[03:28] <omeow> Yes.
[03:29] <omeow> installing kubuntu-desktop gave yet another error.
[03:29] <imbrandon> yea dist-upgrading to edgy isnt for the faint of heart
[03:29] <imbrandon> just keep running those commands in circles till all give no errors
[03:29] <omeow> the kscreensaver package again
[03:30] <imbrandon> someone might have borked kscreensaver dunno
[03:30] <imbrandon> afk
[03:35] <nixternal> has there been any Kubuntu specific LTS updates this week?
[03:36] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/error.log
[04:01] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:08] <abattoir> omeow: sorry, just saw it, you fixed it?
[04:08] <abattoir> Good morning Hobbsee
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir 
[04:11] <abattoir> heh... a true workaholic :P
[04:11] <Hobbsee> abattoir: yep
[04:11] <Hobbsee> abattoir: you mean there *arent* people who are workaholics?
[04:12] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[04:12] <nixternal> hey, is Kubuntu the only team that tracks their meetings and does minutes?
[04:12] <abattoir> Hobbsee: heh, that's what happens when you spend most of your time in a room filled w/ geeks :P
[04:12] <nixternal> im trying to get info on what happened at other meetings and im not about to go through all the logs and do a minutes for them just so i can add news to the UWN
[04:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah, ubuntu dev team has a wiki for their stuff
[04:13] <Hobbsee> abattoir: hehe 
[04:13] <nixternal> im lookin' for TB stuff
[04:14] <nixternal> i haven't gotten to the Dev team yet ;)
[04:14] <nixternal> lets see, at the TB, you and toma made motu..anything else?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: toma didnt make motu....
[04:14] <nixternal> he made god again?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> toadstool and i did, 
[04:14] <nixternal> oh
[04:14] <nixternal> toma made superman?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> tonio got core-dev, stevenk tried but failed
[04:15] <Hobbsee> there was other stuff too
[04:15] <omeow> abattoir, going to check it out tomorrow. 
[04:15] <nixternal> ya tonio..i knew it was a to*
[04:15] <omeow> I'm too frustrated at the moment. :)
[04:15] <abattoir> omeow: ok, but i guess its only a minor gripe ;)
[04:15] <abattoir> omeow: any other errors? :S
[04:15] <omeow> Just the one you saw above.
[04:15] <omeow> I'll figure it out tomorrow.
[04:15] <omeow> G'night.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> omeow: what's the problem?
[04:16] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/error.log
[04:22] <nixternal> i cna't find anything for the devteam either
[04:24] <Hobbsee> omeow: oh lovely.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> omeow: i've forgotten how to fix that in the packages, but you can use --force-overwrite to fix that
[04:48] <nixternal> hiya
[05:21] <nixternal> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1990777,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K0000616
[05:24] <DaSkreec1> Well Duh
[05:24] <abattoir> a rave review alright :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:26] <Daskreech> I still love the fact that Maximum PC recommends it
[05:27] <Daskreech> Two years after declaring that Linux was not worthy of a look on the desktop
[05:28] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i'm stealing one of your merges.
[05:29] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue7    <-- it needs more...edubuntu and xubuntu info, and some meeting info yet....help!!!
[05:29] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:30] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Which one?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> bddebian: http://merges.ubuntu.com/i/ifrit/REPORT
[05:31] <bddebian> Ah, go for it :-)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:33] <bddebian> Fix hamlib and you can have gpredict too ;-)
[05:33] <bddebian> And fix grass and take grass and qgis ...
[05:33] <Hobbsee> bddebian: urgh.  then i can do ktrack.  no, it's your job to fix hamlib.
[05:33] <bddebian> heh
[05:34] <bddebian> I don't think I understand the policy well enough and no one seems to want to help me
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bddebian: you still know more about it than i do
[05:36] <bddebian> Well I thought I had it figured out but it doesn't use native python modules just bindings I think
[05:38] <Hobbsee> how odd.  http://www.modernlifeisrubbish.co.uk/top-10-most-common-passwords.asp
[05:40] <Daskreech> Red hat's tools are open source and ripe for the taking
[05:40] <Daskreech> That's a nice sentiment
[05:47] <nixternal> careful with the glaring, i may damage your eyes
[05:47] <Daskreech> Naw
[05:47] <Hobbsee> nixternal: a) you got my name wrong, and b) what is the intended audience of this newsletter anyway?
[05:49] <imbrandon> nixternal:  end users dont care about half this stuff in a weekly "wrappup" just mu 0.2c
[05:50] <imbrandon> my*
[05:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: and c) you're waiting to become a member, and being one, in the same newsletter.
[05:52] <imbrandon> and lots of !!!!!! everywhere
[05:53] <nixternal_> [Thu Jul 20 2006]  [22:47:24]  <nixternal> careful with the glaring, i may damage your eyes
[05:53] <nixternal_> !chanserv kill nixternal now!!!!
[05:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about chanserv kill nixternal now!!!! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:54] <imbrandon> heh Hobbsee  pastebin it for him ;)
[05:54] <bddebian>   /msg NickServ ghost foo <password> :-)
[05:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hmmm?
[05:55] <Daskreech> Can't you just /ghost password
[05:55] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe
[05:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'll repaste
[05:56] <Hobbsee> [13:47]  <Hobbsee> nixternal: a) you got my name wrong, and b) what is the intended audience of this newsletter anyway?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> [13:49]  <-- jjesse_ has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
[05:56] <Hobbsee> [13:49]  <imbrandon> nixternal:  end users dont care about half this stuff in a weekly "wrappup" just mu 0.2c
[05:56] <Hobbsee> [13:50]  <imbrandon> my*
[05:56] <imbrandon> Daskreech: thast client specific
[05:56] <Hobbsee> [13:51]  <Hobbsee> nixternal: and c) you're waiting to become a member, and being one, in the same newsletter.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> [13:52]  --> nixternal_ has joined this channel (n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal).
[05:56] <Hobbsee> [13:52]  <imbrandon> and lots of !!!!!! everywhere
[05:57] <Daskreech> imbrandon: Ok worked on all the ones that I tried
[05:57] <imbrandon> Daskreech: dident here just tried it hehe
[05:57] <claydoh> Daskreech: MaximumLinux (short-lived maximumPC spinoff) gave me my first taste of linux
[05:57] <Daskreech> :-) Duly noted
[05:57] <imbrandon> <-- colloquy client
[05:58] <Daskreech> claydoh: I have all the issues :(
[05:58] <claydoh> I don't anymore
[05:58] <claydoh> but the one with the mandrake 7.0 disk....
[05:58] <Daskreech> I never got that one to work
[05:58] <claydoh> got me running
[05:59] <claydoh> I purchased 7.2 , that wouldn't install for me
[05:59] <claydoh> but that freebie one did just fine
[05:59] <Daskreech> imbrandon: Like me :)
[06:01] <imbrandon> then from suse 5 on i was a SuSe fanboy till ubuntu ;)
[06:01] <imbrandon> s/ubuntu/kubuntu
[06:02] <Daskreech> Bounced around on windows for a good while
[06:02] <claydoh> I got truly hooked on the original 'user-freindly" single cd distros ELX and Redmondlinux (nee Lycoris)
[06:02] <imbrandon> now i run a mix of mostly kubuntu one or two specialized gentoo boxes and osx :)
[06:03] <abattoir> Daskreech: sorry, was away :)
[06:03] <abattoir> Daskreech: planning on dist-upgrade? :P
[06:03] <Daskreech> abattoir: Nope Ashex is looking for 64bit help. You run on 64 as I recall
[06:04] <claydoh> After Lycoris folded, I got a free Silver membership to mandriva, but well, that stuff kinda sucked to me
[06:04] <abattoir> oh, ok... :)
[06:04] <Daskreech> nEver mind
[06:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: did you see my complaints,with the repaste?
[06:05] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:09] <Daskreech> Good night
[06:16] <abattoir> imbrandon: busy?
[06:16] <imbrandon> abattoir: just about to goto bed but i can do something fast if needed ?
[06:17] <abattoir> ubuntu_ @ #kubuntu needs help w/ yaboot, can you help him?
[06:17] <abattoir> nvm, if its a trouble...
[06:17] <imbrandon> i'll look one sec
[06:17] <abattoir> just didnt know anyone else w/ mac experience :)
[06:25] <abattoir> imbrandon: sorry for getting in the way of you and your bed :P
[06:32] <imbrandon> abattoir: np
[06:32] <abattoir> imbrandon: good night :)
[06:34] <nixternal> imbrandon: just so you know, there are probably 10 end users you who actually read the UWN..UWN is aimed at the community. another issue with "Ubuntu News" that will hopefully get fixed or replaced soon
[06:35] <nixternal> most of those who read it are right here in this channel...go into #ubuntu or #kubuntu and i bet you get a lot of blank stares when you ask about the UWN or the Fridge..i went through this last night defending another site..but that is for another time
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hi again all
[07:15] <pygi> morning Hobbsee
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hi pygi :)
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[07:21] <RichJ> hiya Hobbsee 
[07:21] <RichJ> sorry about the misspelling there btw
[07:21] <Hobbsee> RichJ: :)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> RichJ: what's the intended audience of that newsletter anyway?
[07:22] <RichJ> us
[07:22] <RichJ> only people subscibed to the mailing lists get it anyways
[07:22] <Hobbsee> RichJ: us, as in developers, or the general ubuntu community?
[07:22] <RichJ> it isn't RSS at all, and the fridge doesn't update...buntudot is the only other place besides the mailing lists that post it
[07:23] <RichJ> general ubuntu community...everyone doing something in the community..typical users aren't reading it
[07:24] <RichJ> truthfully...they need to to merge the UWN into the fridge, and turn the fridge into news.ubuntu.com or merge it into planet.ubuntu.com
[07:25] <Hobbsee> RichJ: i'd expect that users do
[07:26] <Hobbsee> whee.  another bug :P
[07:27] <RichJ> oh..the reason it looks like that is because it is being edited..it isn't for the public to read yet
[07:27] <RichJ> thats why the formatting is garbage..and you see !!! that means fix this
[07:27] <RichJ> plus we can't code it like we do other wiki pages because it makes it dificult to wiki2txt it for email
[07:28] <Hobbsee> i'm sure you're not supposed to show the bad sides of developers in the middle of a publication that's going out to all the ubuntu community.
[07:28] <RichJ> the bad side?
[07:29] <Hobbsee> RichJ: sure.  like the bit about me putting a whole lot of stuff on the wiki a few hours before the meeitng.  sure, i made a mistake, but that doenst mean the entire ubuntu community needs to know about it.
[07:30] <RichJ> i swore it just said about all your agenda items..i din't put in anything on timing and what not..it was just poking fun and i odn't think it showed a bad side..but truthfully showed initiative
[07:30] <RichJ> unless it is worded wrong and i didn't catch it
[07:30] <Hobbsee> also, "who could forget" blha blah blah.  a lot of people, who werent in that meeting.  it sounds kinda cliquey.
[07:31] <Hobbsee> not meaning to tear you down - it's good, but it can be made better
[07:31] <RichJ> ok..i will put a note next to that now so it gets fixed
[07:37] <RichJ> Hobbsee: fixed, and i apologize for that ;)
[07:38] <Hobbsee> bug 53461
[07:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53461 in kdebase "kicker crashes _every time_" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53461
[07:38] <Hobbsee> RichJ: cool :)
[07:39] <RichJ> i seen that come through in an email earlier
[07:39] <RichJ> i should have tried to duplicate it
[07:40] <RichJ> ahh..he did a dist-upgrade
[07:41] <RichJ> Hobbsee: you running edgy yet?
[07:41] <Hobbsee> RichJ: yeah, have been for a week or so
[07:41] <RichJ> ok..you running firefox?
[07:42] <Hobbsee> RichJ: yeah, mozilla binaries
[07:42] <RichJ> well..it probably is a bug, but i like it..the text i type in forums is nice and bold on this laptop, as well as the tab text, when active is a bold font that is cool
[07:43] <RichJ> i looked at my dapper setups to make sure i wasn't going crazy..it is just this machine
[07:43] <RichJ> i like the font, but i cannot find it in the font list at all
[07:44] <Hobbsee> ah yes...the fonts changing?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> took me a while to get used to it, but now i like it :)
[07:46] <RichJ> how come there isn't an option for "extra software"  during installation..so i can either select to install or not install certain packages?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> RichJ: because you can do that after install?
[07:48] <RichJ> haha, i know that ;)
[07:48] <RichJ> im doing it now..bluez and stuff like that on this lappy
[07:49] <Hobbsee> oh no, dont get me started on bluez stuff.  why on earth is it installed by default, when i dont even have a bluetooth port?  why not check first, and then install it if applicable?
[07:49] <RichJ> hahaha
[07:49] <RichJ> my feelings exactly
[07:50] <RichJ> i think you have created a project for yourself there Hobbsee, i will start the spec, and you can draft and assign ;)
[07:52] <Hobbsee> RichJ: hehe, i already have a spec that i really should do something with.
[07:53] <RichJ> haha
[07:53] <Hobbsee> RichJ: hey now, they're not *technically* bugs
[07:54] <RichJ> ahh, for edgy...i need to text all the laptop specific stuff and start a wiki page for it
[07:55] <RichJ> i might as well, seeing i have knot1 installed and i can start from the beginning and chart the course
[07:55] <Hobbsee> RichJ: yeah, lure needs the laptop buttons thing done
[07:55] <RichJ> testing for them?
[07:56] <RichJ> function buttons?..which buttons?
[07:56] <RichJ> my lappy has a lot of buttons, as it was the *in thing* when it came out
[07:58] <Hobbsee> RichJ: attached to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLaptopButtons somewhere - i'm trying to find the page we modified
[07:59] <RichJ> is the wiki slow for you right now?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> RichJ: havent really noticied
[08:02] <RichJ> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentUpdates
[08:02] <RichJ> ???
[08:02] <Hobbsee> RichJ: yeah, okay, it is...
[08:02] <RichJ> hehe
[08:19] <Hobbsee> RichJ: ah!  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes
[10:43] <hungerW> Anyone having trouble with speedstepping?
[10:44] <hungerW> I end up having to restart powersaved to get it to work for a while.
[11:03] <omeow> wow, quick bugfixing :) http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131142
[11:03] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131142 in general "answering no when asked to recreate file crashes ktorrent consistenly" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  
[01:19] <omeow> Riddell, I believe my system is upgraded to edgy. So I think I'm ready to test the packages.
[01:29] <Riddell> alas kdebase has randomly failed to build
[01:30] <neoncode> I assume that's a bad thing...
[01:30] <Riddell> it is if I have no idea what the problem is
[01:36] <omeow> Hopefully not the patches I asked you to include. ;)
[01:36] <Riddell> no
[01:37] <Riddell> if you have a sparc, ia64 or amd64 it should be ok
[01:37] <omeow> I have an XP 2000+ 
[01:38] <Riddell> is that an AMD64?
[01:38] <omeow> No, that's a 1.7GHz athlon XP :)
[01:39] <omeow> *an
[02:00] <omeow> Riddell, not sure if this is an edgy problem, but ever since I've updated to edgy, one of my vfat partitions goes into read only mode after a while. It starts out as read/write.
[02:02] <omeow> mount says it's mounted as read/write, /proc/mounts says it's ro.
[02:13] <mornfall> omeow: /proc/mounts is right
[02:14] <omeow> Yes, I know what caused it.
[02:14] <mornfall> omeow: mount depends on /etc/mtab -- in case kernel adjusts the mount parameters there is no way mtab can be updated
[02:14] <mornfall> aha :)
[02:14] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/evil-beast-thy-name-is-ubuntuguide.log
[02:14] <omeow> ubuntuguide told me to use iocharset utf-8
[02:17] <omeow> http://tinyurl.com/opo39
[02:21] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/gconf-error.log
[02:22] <omeow> Parts of Thunderbird (which uses gconf I presume) are quite ugly and non-qt looking.
[02:40] <Riddell> hmm, no kwwii
[02:41] <Riddell> maybe I should just upload my wallpaper design, that'll make him be prompt with his replacement :)
[02:45] <omeow> keyboard settings quite broken in kde? I cant seem to type the aphostrophe anymore. =/
[02:45] <Riddell> I had that too
[02:46] <jjesse> Riddell: i tried a knot 1 cd last night and kde didn't start up all the way for me, all i got was a blank blue screen after the splash screen
[02:46] <Riddell> err, that's not good
[02:47] <Riddell> anything in .xsession-errors?
[02:47] <Riddell> or kdm.log?
[02:47] <jjesse> i didn't have time to check last night and don't have a free computer here, though i could try it in a virtual machine in a bit again
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:49] <Riddell> evening Hobbsee 
[02:49] <jjesse> morning queen Hobbsee
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> evening jjesse 
[02:51] <jjesse> evening jsgotangco
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco 
[02:52] <omeow> Riddell, how did you fix the keyboard problem?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hi omeow, did you fix the screensaver stuff?
[02:53] <Riddell> omeow: changed to uk keyboard in the keyboard changer kcontrol module
[02:53] <omeow> Hobbsee, I didnt fix anything. Screensaver works though. :)
[02:53] <pygi> Hobbsee: you know what you must join :P
[02:53] <Hobbsee> omeow: the kscreensaver stuff, with the file that was also in kscreensaver-xsavers, iirc
[02:53] <omeow> wasnt me.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> omeow: it was your log last night
[02:54] <omeow> Oh that.
[02:54] <omeow> sorry, I thought you meant if I had fixed the screensaver because it wasnt working.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> omeow: and why didnt you file a bug about that?
[02:54] <omeow> Yeah, thats fixed now. Running all the latest packages and everything.
[02:55] <omeow> Hobbsee, because I would have had to file tons of bugs, I got many of the same errors. 
[02:55] <omeow> And I wasnt sure if it was actually a bug.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay.  wonder why i didnt get it
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ah, i dont have k-xsavers installed, that's why
[02:57] <omeow> Why cant dpkg overwrite the file in question?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> yep, it's botched
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how do you fix that?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fcrilx79.html
[02:58] <Riddell> erk
[02:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:58] <Riddell> fix the .install files in kdeartwork
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: presumably take the line out from one of them?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> that would be the definition of "fix"?
[02:59] <Riddell> yes
[02:59] <Hobbsee> cool, thought so :)
[02:59] <omeow> That didnt fix it for me in konversation, Riddell. I can type the aphostrophe in everything except konversation.
[02:59] <Riddell> is kpartsaver.desktop for a specific screensaver or for kscreensaver in general?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> oh, someone filed it
[03:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where was your kdeaddons rebuild patch?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: first link in the topic.  kpartsaver.desktop seems to be for a specific screensaver - it's in a separate folder
[03:00] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, it's a separate one.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> right, do we want it out of kscreensaver, or k-xsavers?
[03:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: depends if it's for a screensaver that's part of kscreensaver or is part of xscreensaver
[03:04] <Riddell> imbrandon, Hobbsee: kdeaddons uploaded
[03:05] <Hobbsee> well, it looks to have just been added at the end of kscreensaver.install, whereas it's in the middle of k-xsavers
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, what do i do if my _source.changes file only talks about the .diff.gz and the .dsc?  but no .orig.tar.gz?
[03:06] <Riddell> debuild -S -sa
[03:06] <Riddell> but you only need the .orig if it's a new version with a new .orig
[03:06] <Hobbsee> ah ok - so it'll be accepted anyway?
[03:06] <jsgotangco> jjesse: Hobbsee
[03:07] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:07] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> omeow: what "keyboard thing"? is that the one where all keyboard input stops until you log out of kde?
[03:07] <jsgotangco> sorry just had some late night dinner
[03:07] <omeow> No, the one where I lose my ability to type the aphostrophe.
[03:08] <jjesse> why do you become old tomorow or something?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yep
[03:08] <Hobbsee> oh yay, two of my syncs just got approved.
[03:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how old?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 18.  i'll have no more excuse for a lack of a passport.
[03:11] <apokryphos-> Hobbsee: the grey hairs will be coming soon
[03:11] <Riddell> wow, that's old
[03:11] <Hobbsee> apokryphos-: heh, what fun.  at least then people form work might have given up wanting to sleep with me.
[03:11] <Riddell> you'll be able to have your first ever sip of alcohol
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what, legally?
[03:12] <Riddell> yeah
[03:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:12] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you are 17 still? :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> i have to go to work again on sunday - i could turn up plastered...
[03:12] <mornfall> you are young
[03:12] <apokryphos-> Hobbsee: what work?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> mornfall: no.  i'm 15, and i'm turning 18 :P
[03:12] <Riddell> I recommend Fosters, but only because I do that to all the Australians just to wind them up
[03:12] <Hobbsee> apokryphos-: i work in a supermarket
[03:12] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:12] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i recall you being surprized about my age, so let me repay you that :-))
[03:12] <apokryphos-> ah, yes, my favourite place to pick up females
[03:13] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe, fair enough
[03:13] <Hobbsee> bluey is the filthy blue feather duster at work, which my manager is reported to love.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> it's absolutely *filthy* and gets more dust on things than it removes!
[03:14] <Hobbsee> oh darn, i was going to slap my boss tonight, and i forgot.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> then it wouldnt matter so much when i pulled the cable accidently.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> pygi: probably.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> um, what the?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> oh.  it's my own idiocy, that's okay.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> i'd only copied some of the debs over
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, you want a debdiff to upload?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/piF15g81.html
[03:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I take it that file is also in kscreensavers-xsaver?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[03:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: are you sure it should be part of kscreensavers-xsaver?  there seems to be code to make a kpartsaver.kss which would mean it should be part of the native kscreensavers
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: am i sure?  no.  i took a guess, based on the fact that it was the third last line of kscreensaver.install.  kdeartwork builds both binaries.
[03:54] <Riddell> uploaded
[03:55] <omeow> Riddell, are you using konversation?
[03:55] <Riddell> omeow: nope
[03:55] <omeow> Hobbsee, are you?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> omeow: yep
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)
[03:55] <omeow> Which version? 0.19 or the nightlybuild?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> omeow: #3100, i need to poke imbrandon about that again
[03:56] <Hobbsee> omeow: they're *all* 0.19 :P
[03:56] <omeow> Weird. Why can you type aphostrophes in konversation? I cant.
[03:56] <omeow> Yet, I can type it in any other program. 
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ''''''these ones?
[03:56] <omeow> Yessss
[03:56] <Hobbsee> whee!  4 mins till i'm old, and have to act mature
[03:56] <omeow> I am on edgy too. I upgraded to test the patches Riddell imported for xinerama improvements.
[03:57] <omeow_> Oh right.
[03:57] <omeow_> Thats another thing. 
[03:57] <omeow_> My other nick doesnt seem to leave. 
[03:58] <Hobbsee> !ghost
[03:58] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[03:58] <omeow_> Dont you !ghost me. 
[03:58] <omeow_> :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> omeow_: what, you want me to !kick you instead?
[03:58] <omeow_> I was just saying that, because I wonder if its an issue with konversation
[03:58] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:58] <omeow_> My nick should just quit.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> it should, yeah
[04:01] <Riddell> welcome to oldness
[04:02] <omeow> Happy birthday, Hobbsee.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[04:02] <Hobbsee> er
[04:03] <omeow> Heres my present; http://omeow.ath.cx/gconf-error.log
[04:03] <Hobbsee> (instead of running away, which is my usual habit)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> LOL!  what a present!
[04:03] <omeow> This is happening since yesterday after I upgraded to edgy
[04:04] <Hobbsee> omeow: no idea.  --> malone
[04:04] <BirthdayHobbsee> hum.
[04:05] <BirthdayHobbsee> :)
[04:06] <BirthdayHobbsee> hehe
[04:08] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: how would it be best to go about fixing this bug?
[04:08] <BirthdayHobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/+bug/49228
[04:08] <Ubug2> Malone bug 49228 in kdeartwork "kscreensaver-xsavers installed but screensavers from xscreensaver-gl missing" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[04:08] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi Mez 
[04:08] <Mez> hi
[04:08] <Mez> Happy birthday sarah! how old? if you dont mind me asking?
[04:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> Mez: 18
[04:09] <Mez> w00t
[04:09] <Mez> only a baby
[04:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> right, who wants to come with me to the pub? 
[04:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> Mez: hehe.  as always :P
[04:09] <Mez> BirthdayHobbsee, where ?
[04:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> Mez: oh i dont know - anywhere?
[04:09] <Mez> birmingham, england?
[04:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> Mez: send me a plane ticket, and a passwport
[04:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> -w
[04:10] <Mez> darn :P
[04:10] <BirthdayHobbsee> yay!  i dont have to lie on the work forms anymore either!
[04:11] <Riddell> BirthdayHobbsee: starting my looking to see if the .desktop files used by KDE actually have binaryies installed
[04:11] <omeow> Riddell, BirthdayHobbsee; [16:11]  <Sho_> omeow: Report to Kubuntu that you can't get ' to work in your Edgy KTextEdit widgets
[04:12] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: ahhh....yes, that's a point, isnt it?
[04:13] <Mez> Riddell: I might be able to get a demo lappy for tomorrow
[04:16] <Riddell> Mez: groovy
[04:17] <omeow> BirthdayHobbsee, do you guys patch kdelibs or qt with anything kubuntu related?
[04:17] <BirthdayHobbsee> omeow: um?  no idea.
[04:17] <Riddell> omeow: lots, but nothing that's changed much in edgy
[04:18] <omeow> Perhaps something broke along the way.
[04:18] <BirthdayHobbsee> omeow: most likely
[04:19] <omeow> I can only make guestimates to what happened. I have no technical insight into how all this stuff works.
[04:20] <omeow> Just trying to figure out whats wrong so other people dont run into the same issue.
[04:20] <omeow> I know its development stuff, but someones gotta be using/testing it in order to find these things.
[04:20] <BirthdayHobbsee> true
[04:21] <jr_> '' foo ''
[04:21] <jr_> works for me
[04:21] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: 
[04:21] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: ', not "
[04:22] <Riddell> it was '
[04:23] <omeow> Yes, I can see the difference.
[04:23] <BirthdayHobbsee> ah...just two of them
[04:23] <omeow> Hence the confusion.
[04:23] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: they all seem to have the corresponding binary (.kss) in /usr/bin
[04:26] <Riddell> if it works, do it :)
[04:27] <BirthdayHobbsee> hehe
[04:27] <BirthdayHobbsee> i expect you can
[04:27] <Mez> Riddell: I'm assuming you're going to the "after party" ?
[04:29] <Riddell> Mez: on saturday?
[04:30] <Mez> tomorrow night
[04:30] <Riddell> if my girlfriend will let me
[04:30] <Mez> you're bringing her with you ?
[04:30] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: why wouldnt she?
[04:30] <Riddell> all these sexy geek girls, I might get carried away :)
[04:30] <Mez> Sarah, because some gf's are over protective and would prefer you to stay in with them instead of going out
[04:30] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: hah.
[04:31] <Riddell> or more because she won't want me waking her up late at night
[04:31] <Mez> Riddell, lol - sexy geek girls? I'm there
[04:31] <Mez> Riddell, bring her with you
[04:31] <Riddell> she might come but she has to work the next day
[04:32] <Mez> where does she live then ?
[04:32] <BirthdayHobbsee> ah, that's a pain
[04:32] <Riddell> BirthdayHobbsee: if we said you were, you'd tell us to go fishing
[04:32] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: ah, good point.  maybe.
[04:32] <Riddell> Mez: Englandshire
[04:33] <Mez> Riddell: "remote" working ?
[04:33] <Riddell> ?
[04:33] <Mez> as in she can work from anywhere
[04:33] <Riddell> no
[04:34] <Mez> the gf is coming with you to LRL ?
[04:34] <Riddell> 15:31 < Riddell> she might come but she has to work the next day
[04:34] <BirthdayHobbsee> Mez: you'd better not scare her off then :P
[04:34] <omeow> It s scary how broken adept is in edgy. =/
[04:34] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: guess i deserved that answer, didnt i?  :P
[04:34] <Mez> the next day as in monday ?
[04:35] <Mez> BirthdayHobbsee, scare her off? damn - i usually have that effect on women#
[04:35] <BirthdayHobbsee> Mez: :P
[04:35] <Mez> Riddell, i'm confused
[04:35] <Riddell> Mez: the day after saturday is sunday
[04:35] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: no, the day after saturday is monday, get it right!
[04:36] <Mez> ok: but that means she has to travel from wolves to whereever
[04:36] <Mez> Riddell: if you do come out - i owe you a drink or 2
[04:37] <BirthdayHobbsee> ping?
[04:37] <Riddell> BirthdayHobbsee: you didn't deserve that answer, I just have no idea where the line is that starts to annoy girls on irc so I tend to stay well clear of it, like I was saying earlier about not being a good judge of charater :)
[04:37] <Riddell> pong
[04:37] <Riddell> Mez: to Englandshire
[04:37] <BirthdayHobbsee> oh good, i didnt ping out
[04:37] <Riddell> why do you owe me a pint?
[04:38] <Mez> Riddell: I assumed "englandshire" was a made up place
[04:38] <Mez> Riddell: because I'm feeling generous :P and I think you bought me a couple at UBZ :P
[04:38] <BirthdayHobbsee> Riddell: :) fair enough.  and you dont strike me as a bad judge of character
[04:38] <Riddell> Mez: it's a real place, only 100 miles from Scotland.  it's very uncivilised, they allow people to smoke in pubs and only open shops for 6 hours on a sunday
[04:39] <Mez> smoke in pubs? how shocking ... just like england
[04:41] <apachelogger> so, do we have a license for google earth yet? ;-)
[04:41] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi apachelogger 
[04:41] <apachelogger> heya
[04:41] <apachelogger> and Happy B-Day :D
[04:41] <BirthdayHobbsee> apachelogger: :)
[04:42] <Mez> apachelogger, who's the lucky person
[04:42] <apachelogger> Mez: BirthdayHobbsee probably
[04:42] <BirthdayHobbsee> hehe
[04:43] <omeow> hum I need an older version of evdev to fix my mouse. =/ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=188302
[04:44] <omeow> Shame he doesnt mention whats broken.
[04:45] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi bddebian!
[04:46] <bddebian> Heya folks
[04:46] <bddebian> Hi BirthdayHobbsee
[04:47] <bddebian> BirthdayHobbsee: I take it that it is your birthday?
[04:48] <BirthdayHobbsee> bddebian: yep :)
[04:48] <bddebian> Well Happy Birthday
[04:48] <BirthdayHobbsee> :)
[04:48] <abattoir> Happy birthday Hobbsee.
[04:49] <abattoir> any one noticed 'weird/multiple/cut-off' text-labels in KControl? In Edgy ?
[04:49] <abattoir> i'll upload a pic...
[04:52] <abattoir> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18517
[04:52] <BirthdayHobbsee> oops, i ran rm -rf *
[04:52] <abattoir> eek...
[04:53] <Mez> cd /; sudo rm -rf *
[04:53] <Mez> ;)
[04:53] <abattoir> hmmm quality is not good at pastebin, i'll re-upload
[04:53] <BirthdayHobbsee> ouch, now i've never done that.
[04:53] <omeow> imageshack.us
[04:54] <omeow> (quality might not be good because you have to click on the image to get it to full size)
[04:54] <abattoir> omeow: they have a size restriction too... right?
[04:54] <omeow> Yes, but it should be fine. 
[04:54] <omeow> Its something like 1.5MB
[04:55] <abattoir> omeow: ok, thanks :)
[04:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: whom to talk with, concerning official contact with google?
[04:56] <omeow> mornfall, what do I have to do to get the manage repositories option to become available in adep 2.1?
[04:56] <BirthdayHobbsee> omeow: code it?
[04:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: mdy I think
[04:56] <omeow> But it was already available in older versions? Did it get stripped out of the newest version?
[04:57] <Mez> Riddell: should i bring cards for a game of Mau ?
[04:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: thx
[04:57] <BirthdayHobbsee> Mez: you should *always* bring cards.
[04:58] <Riddell> Mez: are you going to be there tonight?
[04:58] <Mez> Riddell: dunno depends on how i feel
[04:58] <Mez> are you ?
[04:58] <Mez> BirthdayHobbsee, I tended to stop liking carrying cads when I started working with them for a licing
[04:58] <Mez> s/licing/living/
[04:59] <abattoir> http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1yi8.png.... I warn before-hand of the nasty ads...
[04:59] <BirthdayHobbsee> Mez: ahhh.  how do you work with cards for a living?
[05:00] <abattoir> any one has this w/ Kcontrol... notice 'Encoding Method' , 'Filter settings' etc.
[05:00] <abattoir> ?
[05:00] <Mez> BirthdayHobbsee, I'm a croupier
[05:01] <Mez> BirthdayHobbsee, I work in a casino
[05:02] <BirthdayHobbsee> Mez: *ah*
[05:03] <Mez> Riddell: will you be there tonight ?
[05:03] <Riddell> Mez: probably, train gets in about 9
[05:03] <Mez> where you getting train to ?
[05:03] <Mez> Birmingham New Street ?
[05:03] <Riddell> wolverhampton, that being where the event is
[05:04] <Mez> ah, ok - thought you might be going to new street then getting bus/coach
[05:04] <Mez> s/coach/metro/
[05:25] <zakame> BirthdayHobbsee: heya
[05:25] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi zakame :)
[05:27] <zakame> BirthdayHobbsee: you have my leave, its my present :)
[05:28] <BirthdayHobbsee> zakame: hehe
[05:29] <bddebian> BirthdayHobbsee: There is still ipac-ng ;-)
[05:29] <BirthdayHobbsee> bddebian: eek  :P
[05:29] <BirthdayHobbsee> bddebian: there's hamlib too, now get to it!
[05:31] <bddebian> I don't know how to fix it properly I don't think :'-(
[05:31] <bddebian> I can hack it up but I was told that isn't correct :-(
[05:31] <BirthdayHobbsee> :(
[05:33] <omeow> Dont have that abattoir
[05:34] <abattoir> ok, thanks, must be something specific to my settings then, i'll investigate...
[05:34] <omeow> Then again, Im not using such an outrageous theme. =P
[05:34] <omeow> Try resizing the window.
[05:34] <abattoir> omeow: heh, well, most people dont like it....
[05:35] <abattoir> it is easy on my eyes...
[05:35] <omeow> red flaming eyes of doom?
[05:36] <abattoir> heh, black is definitely more soothing than lighter creamish themes.... atleast for me...
[05:37] <abattoir> well, guess i'm weird, i also have a no-colour only black background CSS policy in konqueror ;)
[06:00] <BirthdayHobbsee> imbrandon: you around?
[06:01] <omeow> BirthdayHobbsee, speaking of imbrandon what did you want to ask him about konversation?
[06:01] <BirthdayHobbsee> omeow: for edgy daily builds of it
[06:01] <omeow> There are, arent there?
[06:01] <BirthdayHobbsee> dapper ones - i dont know of edgy ones
[06:01] <omeow> Oh ok.
[06:02] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi DaSkreech 
[06:02] <DaSkreech> BirthdayHobbsee: Hi
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Who might you be? :)
[06:02] <BirthdayHobbsee> DaSkreech:  a strange imposter!
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Sweet Which clan?
[06:02] <DaSkreech> I hope you aren't from that Pretenious one :-P 
[06:03] <toma> '
[06:03] <BirthdayHobbsee> lol
[06:03] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi toma 
[06:03] <toma> congrats BirthdayHobbsee
[06:03] <BirthdayHobbsee> toma: :)
[06:03] <toma> how young?
[06:03] <BirthdayHobbsee> toma: 18
[06:03] <toma> haha
[06:03] <BirthdayHobbsee> so now i can quote myself as 19 or 20 :P
[06:04] <toma> you can not be a motu and 18
[06:04] <omeow> hm, zsnesssss crash.
[06:04] <abattoir> bug 47848
[06:04] <DaSkreech> toma: It's in the bye laws?
[06:04] <Ubug2> Malone bug 47848 in ubiquity "should warn at partitioning stage if /boot is on XFS" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47848
[06:04] <BirthdayHobbsee> toma: why not?
[06:04] <toma> makes me feel old
[06:05] <BirthdayHobbsee> toma: heh
[06:05] <BirthdayHobbsee> oh, i didnt, that's right.  i was having trouble with the gpg key.
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Isn't Falcon Dead?
[06:05] <BirthdayHobbsee> ah, nwo it's stopped being painful
[06:06] <BirthdayHobbsee> apparently not?
[06:06] <omeow> hum
[06:07] <omeow> Where would i go to see if there are any reports for zsnes? I got a crashlog mentioning glibc. http://omeow.ath.cx/zsnes-crash.log
[06:07] <DaSkreech> I thought it forked to Vulture's something or other
[06:08] <toma> weeeekend!
[06:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> toma: what's that?
[06:09] <omeow> Im sure wikipedia has an article on it.
[06:09] <omeow> Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekend
[06:09] <toma> BirthdayHobbsee: that means i dont have any customers on the phone for two days
[06:10] <BirthdayHobbsee> toma: ahh...nice :)
[06:11] <toma> "The weekend is a part of the week lasting one or two days in which most paid workers do not work. This is a time for leisure and recreation, and/or for religious activities." <- needs an antry for kde/kubuntu
[06:11] <BirthdayHobbsee> lol
[06:11] <BirthdayHobbsee> yeah
[06:12] <omeow> Nothing on zsnes? =/
[06:12] <nixternal> happy birthday Hobbsee!!!!
[06:13] <BirthdayHobbsee> nixternal: thankyou :)
[06:13] <nixternal> today is my sister's birthday as well
[06:13] <nixternal> mine is next week ;)
[06:13] <BirthdayHobbsee> :)
[06:13] <omeow> Guess Ill compile the svn version or something.
[06:14] <DaSkreech> My dad's Birthday is the same as my Brother
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Nice gift
[06:24] <DaSkreech> BirthdayHobbsee: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Vulture%27s
[06:24] <BirthdayHobbsee> yay, more merging done.
[06:24] <BirthdayHobbsee> DaSkreech: ah right, yes.  debian had an update, so...
[06:55] <mornfall> omeow: how is it broken?
[06:56] <mornfall> ah, repository thing is always disabled
[06:56] <mornfall> *shrug*
[06:56] <mornfall> noone ever tests it
[06:56] <mornfall> that could be it
[06:56] <mornfall> you see, i can't test everything every time
[06:57] <mornfall> i only have so much time and patience
[06:57] <mornfall> and i am trying to do some development too
[07:15] <Tonio_> hey
[07:15] (BirthdayHobbsee/#kubuntu-devel) Tonio_: heya!
[07:16] <BirthdayHobbsee> Tonio_: there's a new version of knetworkmanager in debian - a later svn - would be cool if we could get som eof that / newest upstream /whatever in edgy.
[07:17] <Tonio_> BirthdayHobbsee: since there are more polishing on knetworkmanager done on the ubuntu version, I won't probably merge it
[07:17] <Tonio_> but I may provide an upgrade
[07:17] <Tonio_> the problem is that main is in freeze, so we need to have a good reason for uvf exception request
[07:17] <Tonio_> depends on the changelog :)
[07:18] <BirthdayHobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, true.  bugfixes :P
[07:18] <BirthdayHobbsee> Tonio_: s/merge it/fix it.
[07:18] <BirthdayHobbsee> :{
[07:18] <BirthdayHobbsee> *:P
[07:18] <BirthdayHobbsee> night all
[07:18] <Tonio_> )btw, our knetworkmanager version is very stable actually, so I don't consider this an emergency, but I'll have a look
[07:18] <Tonio_> good night BirthdayHobbsee
[07:18] <Tonio_> and happy birthday ;)
[07:18] <toma> BirthdayHobbsee: good ntie!
[07:19] <toma> Tonio_: hi 
[07:19] <Tonio_> toma: hey
[07:19] <BirthdayHobbsee> :)
[07:19] <Tonio_> toma: I have a little question concerning the hoverclosebutton
[07:19] <Tonio_> it looks like a few kde apps have the same function (klibido) so I assume the code for this is in kdelibs right ?
[07:19] <Tonio_> toma: it would be interesting to try to fix that little delay in my view
[07:20] <toma> Tonio_: think so
[07:20] <Tonio_> toma: I will try to look at kdelibs toonight
[07:22] <toma> Tonio_: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKTabWidget.html#i4
[07:23] <Tonio_> toma: super !
[07:23] <toma> Tonio_: you want to turn off the delay?
[07:23] <Tonio_> toma: will probably provide a patch for this and add the default settings to enable the close button
[07:24] <Tonio_> toma: yes, the delay is annoying
[07:24] <Tonio_> in my view at least
[07:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;) any opinion on that point ?
[07:24] <toma> Tonio_: setHoverCloseButtonDelayed should be set to false then
[07:24] <Tonio_> concenring the hoverclosebutton on tabs ?
[07:24] <Tonio_> toma: yes I can see this
[07:25] <Tonio_> I think the purpose of that button is to be as quick as possible
[07:25] <Tonio_> the delay is a nonsense there...
[07:25] <Tonio_> let's go patching
[07:27] <toma> nonsense? it prevents closing the tab when you wanted to select it
[07:27] <toma> i dont care, because i dont click there to activate
[07:27] <toma> but some people might do that, especially when they are not yet used to the new situation
[07:28] <toma> but i dont really care ;-0
[07:28] <toma> either way is fine for me
[07:47] <Tonio_> toma: looks just sad it is not possible to do the same with konsole....
[07:48] <Tonio_> toma: void KTabWidget::setHoverCloseButton   (   bool   enable    )    [slot] 
[07:48] <toma> Tonio_: does that not use tabWidget?
[07:48] <Tonio_> toma: if we enable this it should work globally
[07:48] <Tonio_> not only in konqueror I think... needs tests ;)
[07:49] <toma> hmm? You want to change ktabwidget instead of the apps?
[07:49] <Tonio_> toma: if we want a logical desktop it is better to activate this for all apps
[07:49] <Tonio_> no ?
[07:50] <toma> who knows what uses ktabwidget. Maybe even some settings of applications use it
[07:50] <toma> dont know
[07:50] <Tonio_> toma: that's why I wanna test :)
[07:51] <Tonio_> toma: this replaces the icon by a close button
[07:51] <Tonio_> settings generally don't have icons, but I'll test widelly to be sure, of course :)
[07:52] <Tonio_> toma: and in any case we can reverse the settings before edgy is out...
[07:52] <toma> sure
[07:52] <toma> i dont think that you can get away with it, but you can try ;-)
[07:53] <Tonio_> toma: if settings are possible, it is because they should be usable :)
[07:55] <toma> Tonio_: a setHoverCloseButton(true);\nsetHoverCloseButtonDelayed(false) at line 64 of http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/ktabwidget_8cpp-source.html should do the trick
[07:56] <Tonio_> toma: yes I know you already sent me the link :)
[07:57] <Tonio_> I have done the patch, now I'm building
[07:57] <toma> k
[07:59] <toma> when apps has turned it off explicitly, then you will not see it btw.
[07:59] <toma> bbl
[07:59] <Tonio_> exactly
[07:59] <Tonio_> but as long as apps have an icon on the tab, it should work
[07:59] <Tonio_> right ?
[08:00] <Tonio_> except if it is turned off in the code
[08:00] <toma> yes, not sure if it needs an icon though
[08:00] <Tonio_> so maybe I will still have to turn on the settings for konq
[08:00] <Tonio_> toma: since it replaces the tab icon by the close button I assume an icon is required :)
[08:00] <toma> yes, for konq im pretty sure you will have to do that
[08:01] <toma> ok, bbl
[08:01] <Tonio_> toma: the setting should exist and be turned off by default I assume
[08:35] <imbrandon> moins all
[08:35] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[08:36] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[08:53] <DaSkreech> When was the last time ubuntu-calendar was updated?
[10:04] <toma> Tonio_: how's it going/
[10:24] <toma> Riddell: ping
[10:59] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Awake?
[11:06] <pygi> DaSkreech: he's taking a long lunch I take it :P
[11:07] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:17] <DaSkreech> Well if he moves have him poke me
[11:19] <pygi> DaSkreech: indeed :)
[11:20] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: ?
[11:20] <pygi> DaSkreech: there, I got him for you :P
[11:20] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Welcome :) How was lunch?
[11:20] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: my jabber is public on LP too if i'm afk in irc ;P
[11:21] <imbrandon> good
[11:21] <DaSkreech> I
[11:21] <imbrandon> ;P
[11:21] <DaSkreech> I'll mkae note of that
[11:21] <DaSkreech> Remember the yaboot mac mini from last night?
[11:21] <imbrandon> yea
[11:21] <DaSkreech> Do you have the time and wherewithall to help now?
[11:22] <imbrandon> i told him what i knew but there are 2 or 3 other mac users in #k-offtopic that might help
[11:22] <imbrandon> try pinging that room
[11:22] <DaSkreech> Ok
[11:22] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[11:51] <Tonio_> toma: just watching the tv ;)
[11:51] <Tonio_> testing now
[11:54] <Tonio_> toma: the delay patch is working very nicelly
[11:54] <Tonio_> now I have to test for the other one
[11:54] <toma> oki
[11:55] <Tonio_> katapult seems to be dead on edgy....
[11:55] <Tonio_> nasty
[11:56] <Tonio_> toma: the close button works on konsole too :)
[11:56] <Tonio_> kewl
[11:56] <toma> Tonio_: awesome
[11:56] <Tonio_> looks pretty nice
[11:56] <Tonio_> I don't see any problems with tabs that don't have any icon
[11:56] <Tonio_> looks perfect ;)
[11:57] <Tonio_> arf
[11:57] <Tonio_> nope it fails... the close button is there but clicking on them doesn't produce anything....
[11:57] <toma> Tonio_: ok, check some settings that use tabs
[11:57] <toma> Tonio_: ah, the signal is not connected to the slot then
[11:58] <toma> should be an easy fix
[11:58] <Tonio_> toma: this means we would have to patch to add the close signal
[11:58] <Tonio_> yes that's is
[11:58] <Tonio_> could be a pain to patch any app using tabs.......
[11:58] <Tonio_> it concerns so many of them........
[11:58] <toma> yes
[11:59] <toma> i think we should patch and test it on a per app base
[11:59] <Tonio_> okay I'm removing the first patch and keep the delaying one
[11:59] <Tonio_> toma: yes on the other way it is possible to patch apps to make usage of this
[11:59] <Tonio_> probably better than a full crappy patch
[11:59] <toma> yes, i agree
[11:59] <Tonio_> on the other way the delaying patch is pretty cool
[12:00] <Tonio_> I keep this one
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell was okay to test this until there is no delay
[12:00] <Tonio_> I'll probably ask himl first before upload
[12:00] <toma> k
[12:01] <Tonio_> many thanks tomas :)
[12:01] <toma> your welcome, i did not do a lot though ;-)
[12:02] <Tonio_> toma: you found where and what to patch, that's quite big
[12:02] <Tonio_> I could have greped kdelibs but it would have been longuer :)
[12:02] <toma> np Tonio_ ;-)
[12:04] <Tonio_> toma: may I ask for your masterness once again ?
[12:04] <toma> sure
[12:04] <Tonio_> there is a wonderfull thing I'd like to activate for konq, but that causes an issue
[12:04] <Tonio_> you can make usage of central click on the mouse to active up and down thing
[12:04] <Tonio_> you know what I'm talking about ?
[12:05] <Tonio_> like in firefox
[12:05] <Tonio_> the issue is that the max speed is tremendously slow....
[12:05] <toma> no
[12:05] <Tonio_> makes it quite unusable
[12:05] <Tonio_> okay let me show you
[12:06] <toma> do you have to activate that somewhere?
[12:06] <Tonio_> I'm searching for the setting, you will understand why we need this :)
[12:06] <Tonio_> yes, I'm searching in konq's config
[12:06] <Tonio_> it is enabled by default in firefox
[12:06] <Tonio_> but we need to change something to let it is konqueror
[12:07] <toma> but middleclick is bound to open in a new tab in konq
[12:07] <Tonio_> okay
[12:07] <Tonio_> go in konq's config, then
[12:08] <Tonio_> web
[12:08] <Tonio_> and uncheck "open blabla with central click"
[12:08] <Tonio_> sorry I don't know the exact english terms
[12:08] <Tonio_> do you see that ?
[12:08] <toma> got it
[12:08] <toma> ah nice