[12:09] there is a lot to explain [12:09] ideas, etc [12:09] imbrandon_: you should see the mail I just got about iBook? [12:10] I wanted to start looking for icons and artwork [12:10] perhaps tomorrow we could take 10 minutes and discuss things [12:10] kwwii: indeed, could we do this tommorow pls (today that is) because its kinda late now and I cant think properly? :P [12:10] yeah, me either, don't worry [12:10] pygi: sure you can forward it to me if you want [12:11] imbrandon_: I cant, it isnt on english [12:11] kwwii: thanks :) [12:11] pygi: i can use google language tool or some such to get the jest of it [12:11] if you want [12:12] imbrandon_: nobody can give you the feeling of how funny this actually is, trust me:P [12:12] heheh [12:12] whats up? [12:14] hm, I cant explain really :P [12:14] But its basicly about me asking how much would he ask for a iBook (same as urs, unused) and he got all confused :P === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:45] Riddell: sorry to bug ya, but the kubuntu.org email is still null here [12:45] if ya need me, i will be in a chicago style pizza ;) === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii just updated the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/_Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas with a new idea for KDM [12:53] erm -_ [12:54] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas [12:55] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kdm-21.07.06.png [12:57] I like the white login. [12:57] Don't quite like the black buttons, but that's just me. [12:58] The one below is too dark. [12:58] yeah, the button text color is kinda funny [12:59] What is it with kubuntu and the bubbles? [12:59] Yes. [12:59] I really like the latest file you linked to. [12:59] no idea, I just kinda pulled it otu of my ass [12:59] out [12:59] it does not have to be bubbles [12:59] It's a "clean" look. [12:59] but it seems to fit [12:59] Bubbles, soap, clean. [12:59] ... I kinna like the bubbles [12:59] morning all :) [01:00] yeah [01:00] I didn't like the default background on dapper kubuntu though.. Yuck... [01:00] freeflying: I'ts exacly midnight here! Good morning indded! === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:00] hehe it is exactly 1 am here [01:00] I didn't like it either. Changed it into a vertical gradient. (top blueish, bottom whiteish) But I guess that's something everyone changes. [01:01] hehe [01:01] i made that pic [01:01] so this idea is better? [01:01] Who made the window decor? [01:01] in dapper? [01:01] I made everything [01:01] in a couple of months [01:02] check that wiki page (the top) for a view of the new stuff [01:02] Ohhhh... to be honest I didn't realy like it...But I like this screenshot of the logon box thing... that's pretty [01:02] I did not really like it either :p [01:02] and I made it [01:02] we need to fix the buttons [01:02] and the gradient for the titlebar [01:03] but I have the gradient pretty close, I think [01:03] it depends on how much you like purple :p [01:03] dude, everyone can dislike what they want, I take no hard feelings about things [01:03] Heh. [01:03] 6pm here ( yea i'm late on the convo lol ) [01:03] hehe [01:04] kwwii: do you have the full size akademy logo? [01:04] omg kwwii that owns!!! awesome job on the artwork [01:04] Riddell: yepp, I made it [01:04] I gave it to tink, for printing if that is why you ask [01:04] hi Riddell, not that I realy know you.... [01:05] kwwii: have you seen the polyester kwin buttons ? they are slick [01:05] imbrandon: yes, and I think that something along that lines is the best for kubuntu...I will get to that in a few days [01:05] they are too simple for me [01:05] but perhaps with the right colors [01:06] yea [01:06] they would work fine === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:06] omg i just seen the light blue login , man that is awesom [01:07] Riddell: what kind of file do you want? [01:07] I have a png on my site [01:07] and an ai I think [01:07] I can upload an svg as well [01:09] http://bootsplash.org/akademy-2006-da.png [01:09] 404 [01:09] yeah, no shit [01:09] I just saw that [01:09] heh [01:10] kwwii: well Kubuntu is sponsoring akademy so I was thinking we should put in a quick akademy wallpaper [01:10] now it works [01:10] Riddell: cool [01:10] I will put the svg online [01:11] KDE has cogs, kubuntu has bubbles. Prehaps we should have a cog-shaped bubble? [01:11] Riddell: or is that pic big enough? [01:12] kwwii: that's probably big enough [01:12] Riddell: let me know if I can help further [01:12] hehe, a cog shaped bubble [01:12] yeah [01:12] like I can pull that out of my ass [01:12] :p [01:13] lol [01:13] Wouldn't that be painfull... [01:13] it would look more like a bloon animal than a bubble [01:13] baloon* [01:14] imbrandon: A GNU baloon animal? [01:14] you guys are wierd [01:14] :D [01:14] kwwii: Thanks! [01:14] lol [01:14] next time I do something like that I will take a pic === imbrandon wants a real live geko from geiko pet ( that talks like a brit too ) === neoncode plays with his CRT monitor and a magnitised screwdriver === kwwii sticks his finger in his ass to see if anything else wants to come out :p [01:17] nope [01:17] it seems like I am done for tonight [01:17] hahahahaha [01:17] Ewww... [01:17] no really, my shit doesn't stink [01:18] Sick... yet strangly funny... [01:18] strange, yet sickly funny? [01:18] :-) [01:18] That too === neoncode should realy get some sleep... [01:22] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/akademy-kubuntu.png [01:23] dude, nothing against you or anything, but let me do that [01:23] :) [01:23] when do you have to release that? [01:23] didn't want to cause you trouble [01:23] I don't, it's a completely temporary thing [01:23] the blue logo is a bit ... unique against that background. :-) [01:23] it'll only be in a couple of Knot releases [01:24] Hm. I'm a bit unsure. I just filed a comment on this bug; http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128567 [01:24] KDE bug 128567 in general "[PATCH] : crash due to uncaught exception while trying to resolve missing files at startup." [Crash,Resolved: fixed] [01:24] I have to get up early and take my kid to school, wife to work, go to the bank, etc...after that I can work on it [01:24] But now I kindof realise that it might be a seperate bug. Can anyone agree with that? :) [01:25] I'm not using a usb drive. Just downloading to my home folder which is always accessible. === jjesse [i=user@69-87-139-190.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:30] omeow: sounds different === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:31] I thought so. [01:31] Although, I'm a bit confused since they're using the svn build there. Not sure if that was before or after 2.0rc1 was released. [01:36] time for sleep now [01:36] gnight kwwii [01:36] bis morgen [01:36] sleep well === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [01:37] evening :) [01:38] Riddell, did you have time to patch the xinerama stuff in or were you too busy with other stuff? [01:39] omeow: it's just gone up tonight, with any luck should be in the archives by the morning [01:39] In what form? (*hopes for a package*) [01:39] yes, packages in edgy [01:40] Has Edgy Flight 1 been launched yet? [01:40] Does that mean I won't be able to test them in dapper? [01:40] neoncode: if you meant Knot-1, yes. [01:41] Knot? [01:41] yes they are all called knots [01:41] knots are how efts reproduce :) [01:42] omeow: it does, but knot 1 is pretty stable for a testing release [01:43] Riddell, how would I get my current dapper (with KDE3.5.3) into shape for testing those packages? [01:44] sudo sed -i s/dapper/edgy/ /etc/apt/sources.list [01:45] Is it a good idea to log-out of KDE when I upgrade the KDE stuff? [01:46] Probably... === omeow goes off to update. [01:47] Wait, are the devlopment versions called something diffrent each time? [01:47] Like Flight for dapper and Knot for Edgy or something? [01:47] correct neoncode [01:47] breezy was colonys, dapper flights , edgy knots [01:48] drakes are also known as dragons, hence the name flight [01:48] knots are how efts (the edgy eft) reproduces :) [01:53] it's collective nouns === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:55] urfg [01:55] Why am I not suprised? =/ === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:56] I get loads of warnings about locales. Falling back to "C". [01:56] Then I get frontend: cannot connect to x-server [01:57] dpkg: error processing debconf [01:57] segfault [01:58] Why is it trying to connect to the x-server? [01:59] dist-upgrading from Dapper to Edgy doesn't preserve your locales [01:59] I don't mind. I just use english. [01:59] That doesn't seem to be the problem though. [02:00] The problem is that it segfaults while trying to connect to x-server. [02:00] I'd start of by ``sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8'' [02:00] off ^ [02:00] But why should dpkg connect to it? [02:00] dpkg isn't trying to connect to your X server; debconf is. [02:01] more appropriately a certain debconf frontend is [02:01] adept? [02:02] (I have no idea what a frontent to depconf is. I definitely didn't install it on purpose, it must have been a dependancy or something.) [02:02] After using locale-gen, the error still shows up when I try to install things. [02:02] the debconf error? [02:02] No [02:03] Is it using perl to set those locales or something? [02:03] Most messages have perl: in front of it. [02:05] hmhm [02:05] depconf wasn't installed. [02:07] debconf: unable to initialize display :kde [02:07] (I've been seeing that error a lot in adepts detailed install info too.) [02:07] Anyway, seems to be on it's way again. [02:12] And we have a new error... [02:12] This time on kdebase-data & kdelibs-data [02:12] This is most likely because of ktorrent's overwriting a mimetype thing. [02:14] or .desktop file, whichever it was. (you have to install it with --force-overwrite) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:21] man these errors are cryptic. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] It seems as if it's trying to remove gsfonts-x11 [02:22] and then part of the helpfile is piped through. [02:24] Hello [02:24] Hi. [02:24] unpacking replacement gsfonts-x11... [02:24] usage error: unrecognised option [02:27] Riddell: are all these errors common? [02:29] I can't get gsfonts-x11_0.20.deb to install. I can install 0.17, but that gives errors in kde-data. [02:35] omeow: have you upgraded, and rebooted? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.198] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] abattoir: No, i'm still trying to upgrade, obviously. [02:38] omeow: adept has been uninstalled? [02:39] Not yet. [02:39] because i got almost the same set of errors that your are getting [02:39] I'm getting the adept error now. [02:39] For some reason it's affraid to overwrite something. [02:39] cool :) [02:39] uh, ok, sorry [02:39] How do I remove adept? [02:39] for me, the upgrade stopped and i was given the prompt... [02:40] i dist-upgraded again [02:40] and adept was automatically removed [02:40] It isn't doing that for me. [02:40] It's suggesting to run apt-get -f install [02:40] omeow: ok, let it continue then... ok, do that === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] I am. [02:42] when did you upgrade, abattoir? [02:42] earlier this week, i dont remember the day... sorry [02:42] before the main freeze though [02:42] lots of problems too? [02:42] so i had to constantly do 'update' and fetch new packages [02:43] yes, almost identical to what you get [02:43] i ignored them and continued [02:43] after i rebooted, x wouldnt start... it was broken [02:43] said something like it couldnt find the font 'fixed' [02:44] hm [02:44] so i did some searching and found that xfs(x font service)... [02:44] was missing [02:45] i installed that, and reinstalled the x-base-fonts package(<-- sorry dont remember exact name) [02:45] i'll look up that name for you [02:45] then after a reboot, it worked fine [02:45] and everything else worked fine... [02:45] the only thing is adept... or the lack of it [02:46] I got the fixed font error too now. [02:46] if you are ok with it, then edgy is pretty stable and fast [02:46] ok, install xfs [02:47] and reinstall xfonts-base (i think) [02:47] wait i'll do an apt-cache policy [02:47] yes, that's it [02:47] xfonts-base [02:48] how do I re-install the package? remove then install again? [02:48] 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xfonts-base' [02:48] nice. =P [02:49] works? [02:49] I figured it was apt-get reinstall xfonts-base [02:49] oh, heh :) === omeow_ [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:51] hmhm [02:51] Hopefully this did the trick. [02:52] it did at least for me, after an hour of researching :( [02:52] Yeah, I'm back in now. [02:52] in X/KDE ? [02:52] Yeah, KDE. [02:52] cool [02:53] i havent experienced any other problems... it has been very stable, as of now... [02:53] not a single crash [02:53] I'll see. [02:53] It's just such a hassle to upgrade this stuff when you're not quite familiar with how things work. [02:53] The errors are very cryptic. [02:54] well, to be fair, it is a development version, and the first few weeks after the sync can be expected to be like this :) [02:54] Yeah, that's true. [02:57] So you're running without adept now, abattoir? [02:58] It seems installed for me still. === jjesse_ [i=user@69-87-139-190.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] knot 1 cd from yesterday doesn't launch kde correct when run in live cd mode [02:58] omeow: yes, it was uninstalled for me... maybe it is fixed now [02:59] i don't get the taskbar or antyhing [02:59] abattoir, I got lots of missing icons though. [02:59] omeow: i havent felt the need, so havent tried installing it [02:59] omeow: system-wide, or only adept? [02:59] system-wide [02:59] Still lots of stuff to upgrade. [02:59] That's probably why. [03:00] omeow: you havent upgraded fully? only KDE? [03:00] i mean, the process is still on? [03:00] I don't know, the prompt somehow stopped without errors, I thought it was done. [03:00] omeow: try again... see if yo have everything upgraded [03:01] *you [03:02] omeow: amd64 by any chance? [03:02] No. [03:02] oh ok === omeow crosses his fingers with the hopes of not running into yet another error. [03:06] omeow: there are still packages which havent been installed? [03:06] lots [03:06] installing those now. [03:07] aah, ok, the icons should show after that. ;) [03:07] yay another error. =/ [03:07] adept? [03:07] hell if I know... [03:09] omeow: try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' again... [03:09] tried [03:09] omeow: does the same error come up? [03:09] apt-get -f install is recommended. [03:09] did that? [03:09] Doing that now. [03:14] Why doesn't it just overwrite the file? === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:15] omeow: i dont know, did you try continuing or -f ? [03:15] define continuing [03:15] do 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' again === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:15] I get the same error I just sent you. [03:16] 'sudo apt-get install -f' ? [03:16] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 28 not upgraded. [03:16] 'sudo apt-get upgrade' ? [03:16] i guess that would say 0 packages too [03:17] Now you're just guessing commands aren't you? =P [03:17] In any case, no that doesn't work either. [03:17] omeow: you have to sudo apt-get install the python packages it lists [03:17] omeow: standard procedure, am only try to help :) [03:17] I know, abattoir. [03:17] *trying [03:17] This isn't about python, imbrandon. [03:18] omeow: i think he means the 28 not upgraded packages [03:18] omeow: i think all the other pacakges have been installed.... [03:18] yea the 28 not upgraded [03:19] manualy tell them to install [03:19] hello imbrandon :) [03:19] So now I have to type all those packages into the command line... [03:19] omeow: just copy paste them, if you are using konsole that is :P [03:20] Right. [03:20] ctl c ctl v is your friend [03:21] or one of the other zillion ways to copy paste stuff. =P [03:21] Ok, so now those packages have installed, and I still get the same error. [03:21] what error ? [03:22] The one I just tried to send you, but you refused. =P [03:22] omeow: want to try manually removing kpartsaver.desktop? [03:22] this client doesnt dcc well [03:24] remove kscreensaver package [03:24] and install debconf [03:24] Already installed. [03:25] sudo apt-get --purgfe remove kscreensaver [03:25] --purge [03:26] imbrandon, I've removed the package and then apt-get dist-upgrade'd again. Now it seems to have stopped throwing errors at me. [03:26] I think I'll go log out and back in to see if everything still works. [03:26] before you reboot run " sudo dpkg --configure -a " [03:26] doh === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:27] you need to run sudo dpkg --configure -a [03:28] and sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [03:28] befroe you reboot [03:28] omeow: ^^ [03:28] Yes. [03:29] installing kubuntu-desktop gave yet another error. [03:29] yea dist-upgrading to edgy isnt for the faint of heart [03:29] just keep running those commands in circles till all give no errors [03:29] the kscreensaver package again [03:30] someone might have borked kscreensaver dunno [03:30] afk [03:35] has there been any Kubuntu specific LTS updates this week? [03:36] http://omeow.ath.cx/error.log === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:01] morning all [04:08] omeow: sorry, just saw it, you fixed it? [04:08] Good morning Hobbsee [04:09] hi abattoir === Hobbsee said she wasnt going to be here today. heh [04:11] heh... a true workaholic :P [04:11] abattoir: yep [04:11] abattoir: you mean there *arent* people who are workaholics? [04:12] hiya Hobbsee [04:12] hi nixternal [04:12] hey, is Kubuntu the only team that tracks their meetings and does minutes? [04:12] Hobbsee: heh, that's what happens when you spend most of your time in a room filled w/ geeks :P [04:12] im trying to get info on what happened at other meetings and im not about to go through all the logs and do a minutes for them just so i can add news to the UWN [04:13] nixternal: ah, ubuntu dev team has a wiki for their stuff [04:13] abattoir: hehe [04:13] im lookin' for TB stuff [04:14] i haven't gotten to the Dev team yet ;) [04:14] lets see, at the TB, you and toma made motu..anything else? [04:14] nixternal: toma didnt make motu.... [04:14] he made god again? [04:14] toadstool and i did, [04:14] oh [04:14] toma made superman? [04:15] tonio got core-dev, stevenk tried but failed [04:15] there was other stuff too [04:15] abattoir, going to check it out tomorrow. [04:15] ya tonio..i knew it was a to* [04:15] I'm too frustrated at the moment. :) [04:15] omeow: ok, but i guess its only a minor gripe ;) [04:15] omeow: any other errors? :S [04:15] Just the one you saw above. [04:15] I'll figure it out tomorrow. [04:15] G'night. [04:15] omeow: what's the problem? [04:16] http://omeow.ath.cx/error.log [04:22] i cna't find anything for the devteam either [04:24] omeow: oh lovely. [04:27] omeow: i've forgotten how to fix that in the packages, but you can use --force-overwrite to fix that === imbrandon yawns [04:48] hiya === Hobbsee sits and waits for the food to kick in. === DaSkreec1 [n=Me@208.138.25.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:21] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1990777,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K0000616 [05:24] Well Duh [05:24] a rave review alright :) [05:24] hehe [05:26] I still love the fact that Maximum PC recommends it [05:27] Two years after declaring that Linux was not worthy of a look on the desktop [05:28] bddebian: i'm stealing one of your merges. [05:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue7 <-- it needs more...edubuntu and xubuntu info, and some meeting info yet....help!!! [05:29] hahaha [05:30] Hobbsee: Which one? [05:31] bddebian: http://merges.ubuntu.com/i/ifrit/REPORT [05:31] Ah, go for it :-) [05:32] hehe [05:33] Fix hamlib and you can have gpredict too ;-) [05:33] And fix grass and take grass and qgis ... [05:33] bddebian: urgh. then i can do ktrack. no, it's your job to fix hamlib. [05:33] heh [05:34] I don't think I understand the policy well enough and no one seems to want to help me === Daskreech heard Grass? [05:35] bddebian: you still know more about it than i do [05:36]