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[12:42] defaulting to total physical ram. === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-176-113-184.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] So, with minswap 1, and memlimit and swapsize set to default, it will always create one file the size of your ram. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@81-86-105-156.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089C912.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] hplip_0.9.11-2ubuntu3.dsc: invalid Build-Depends field; cannot be parsed by apt. [12:55] eh? [12:57] heh === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@81-86-105-156.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike___ [n=mike@12.206.1.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] siretart: ping? === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vignatti [n=tiagov@guinness.c3sl.ufpr.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alef-null [i=alef0@M870P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@modemcable024.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@s142-179-111-243.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy yawns [01:59] sfllaw, lifeless, either of you awake? === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-222-31.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] I appear to me [02:01] is there somewhere I can track what exactly is going on with AutomatedProblemReports [02:02] the spec, or pitti [02:02] ah, so you wouldn't know :> [02:02] :) [02:03] I was curious about this part mainly: "Debug symbols are very big and we want to avoid requiring to download them on the client machine. So we need a server which processes the incoming reports, generates a backtrace from the report data, stack frame, and debug symbols, and adds the stacktrace to the generated report." [02:03] re "a server" == a daemon or just a Web application like a CMS (i.e. Launchpad) that can take the data over https into a CGI script [02:04] I guess I'll ask pitti though. === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-227-78.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] Howdy === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@c-24-13-21-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-15-181.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike___ [n=mike@12.206.1.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] hi bddebian === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra comforts Keybuk [02:47] :p [02:47] what happen [02:47] "oh, I know, I'll just test one more thing ... damn!" [02:47] did he apt-get build-dep another one of doko's packages? [02:52] woah [02:52] Hello bluefoxicy [02:52] http://www.dylanknightrogers.com/faster-dapper.sh [02:52] ogra: do i need policykit? :( [02:52] sudo /sbin/hdparm -u1 -m16 -c1 -A1 -a64 -d1 -K1 $INSTALLED_DRIVE > /dev/null [02:53] scary === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] LOL [02:53] Hmm, what to do, what to do.. [02:53] # Enable dash as /bin/sh to run shell scripts instead of bloated bash [02:53] # See [02:53] if ( ! dpkg -l dash >/dev/null 2>&1 ); then [02:53] sudo apt-get install dash && sudo update-alternatives --install /bin/sh sh /bin/dash 1 [02:53] else [02:53] sudo update-alternatives --install /bin/sh sh /bin/dash 1 [02:53] fi [02:53] hahahaha [02:53] -u often results in massive filesystem corruption [02:54] # Disable sudo asking for your password for the remainder of the script [02:54] sudo sed -ie '/^%admin/s/ALL$/NOPASSWD: ALL/' /etc/sudoers === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.20.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] haha! [02:54] ogra: Fuck that. [02:54] -m16 is sane [02:54] likewise -c1 is sane [02:54] bluefoxicy: easy there killer [02:54] the moron should have used 'id' to check if he is root; if not, sudo $0 [02:54] -A1 is the default [02:55] if ( ! grep "Ubuntu 6.06" /etc/issue >/dev/null 2>&1); then [02:55] echo "This script is only intended for Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake" [02:55] exit 1 [02:55] fi [02:55] *GRIN* [02:55] tseng: immediate brain damage === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] -a64 is probably slower than the default! [02:55] and a race condition you can exploit to get root [02:55] hah [02:55] -d1 is usually set by default [02:55] so the usual sane hdparm flags, and some odd ones [02:56] yeah [02:56] the rest of that scripts is similar ... [02:56] dash we do by default now [02:56] thats why i laughed my ass off :) [02:56] ogra: that script installs preload [02:56] I haven't used preload [02:57] looking at it I had guessed that it would make the system rather slow as shit, but I haven't actually tried. Comment? [02:58] bluefoxicy: can you seriously take it down a notch? [02:58] bluefoxicy: you know I would love to ban you [02:58] tseng: okay [03:01] thanks. [03:02] also Method loves to ban me more [03:02] I'm sure he does [03:03] moving right along, policykit anyone? [03:04] is out plan to patch it out? [03:04] tseng: policykit? [03:04] bddebian: hal policykit [03:04] Ah [03:04] says "can I do this?" [03:05] Speaking of policy, anyone want to help me make hamlib conform to the new python policy? :-) [03:05] tseng, we'll likely rather stay with old g-p-m if it doesnt work without plokit [03:05] *polkit [03:05] ogra: well [03:05] ogra: old gpm wont show me battery % anymore [03:06] they are both broken [03:06] then we'll need to fix that ... at least it suspends/hibernates [03:13] doko: ping again? [03:14] bddebian, 3:14 [03:14] Oh === bddebian needs a mentor :-) === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB6FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] ogra: oh i know this one...bible verses 3:14 we own your bases === zul had too much sugar tonight [03:16] heh === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB6FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac [03:30] Anyone think doko would care if I uploaded adonthell? === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] hmm [03:48] Hi crimsun [03:49] now that I think about it, I have to manually restore my volume in gnome using the hotkeys anyhow. Why does alsa-utils's initscript even bother storing on action-stop? [03:50] granted not everyone uses gnome, but even kmix and xfce4-mixer AIUT handle restoring the mixer levels [03:51] WHAT? No everyone uses Gnome? :-) === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phantasmoholic [i=phantasm@64-216-108-165.ded.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-187-52-248.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] I take it xorg is broken? Missing fixed. Unless it's moved. === wasabi searching. === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:29] wasabi: what do you mean by "xorg is broken"? [04:31] hi rodarvus [04:32] hi Hobbsee [04:32] I was about to turn off my computer but wasabi's comment got my attention :) [04:33] wasabi: I've been doing xorg-related uploads all day long, but they shouldn't be related to any fonts brokeness [04:34] wasabi: per your description, it seems like you have problems with your fontpath (but that should have been handled by updates done about ten days ago, by now) [04:34] morning [04:34] rodarvus: he can open a bug.. go and get some sleep [04:35] indeed :) === rodarvus goes to bed [04:35] good night all [04:35] Gnight rodarvus === phantasmoholic is now known as phantasmoholic- === mike___ [n=mike@12.206.1.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] Ahh. Looks like update-fonts-dir is broke. [04:41] Breaking because /usr/lib/X11R6/fonts was removed. [04:41] Quicky find/replace job in it fixed it right up. [04:42] whoops. wasn't paying attention and missed him. [04:42] sily VTs. === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netdur [n=adel@adsl196-234-56-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:05] tseng: any idea how much longer muine will be broke for? I rebuilt it and looked at it a bit, it appears it's not as obvious as I guessed === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] ubuntu says I have seven floppy readers, actually I don't have any, I can edit /etc/fstab to fix problem but I want fill bug first... what information should I attach to soon-to-be-opened-bug? === mike___ [n=mike@12.206.1.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8D9CC7.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharms [n=mindwarp@cpe-24-208-242-169.twmi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:27] netdur: i think there is already a bug open for that [05:27] netdur: no actually i am pretty sure. i just can't remember against what exact package [05:28] morning fabbione [05:28] hey Hobbsee [05:28] morning is a big word.. changing TZ is horrible [05:29] fabbione: okay. evening then. it's not morning here either === bronson [n=bronson@209-221-203-148.dsl.qnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:30] fabbione: thanks, there's no need for dupes :) [05:30] Hobbsee: it's 5am here now :) [05:30] well 5:30 [05:30] fabbione: urgh. [05:30] but i have been awake for over an hour [05:30] fabbione: then why are you awake? [05:31] Hobbsee: to be able to work on cluster. It's too warm during the day to keep all the equipment turned on [05:31] fabbione: ah...yes...of course === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] and i'm currently freezing cold. hum. that still seems weird ot me :P [05:32] Hobbsee: ain't my fault if you live on the wrong side of the planet :) [05:33] fabbione: yeah, true. === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netdur [n=adel@adsl196-234-56-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] what time is it at pitti's place [06:09] bluefoxicy: europe time? 5-6am? [06:10] what is his native language anyway [06:10] talking to him is like talking to trulux, just a little more sane === thep [n=thep@linux.thai.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] bluefoxicy: not sure, i've only been told that he's in europe [06:16] bluefoxicy: .de. it's 6am now [06:19] ah [06:19] lucky, I hear the people in germany are actually friendly [06:20] bluefoxicy: it really depends with who :P [06:20] specially after the WC2006 ;) === theCore [n=alex@modemcable024.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@209-221-203-148.dsl.qnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-226-178.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione HEAD -> WALL === fabbione HEAD -> WALL === fabbione HEAD -> WALL === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] hi all [07:24] init/built-in.o: In function `try_name': [07:24] do_mounts.c:(.text+0x604): undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail' [07:24] grep stack_chk_fail * -r | wc -l [07:24] 0 [07:24] so what's this now? [07:24] doko: ^^ === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] fabbione: that should be in glibc [07:31] fabbione: what are you building? [07:31] bluefoxicy: a kernel [07:31] .... oh, shit. Right. [07:31] i think it's that ssp crap [07:31] They turned on the stack smash protector by default [07:31] how do i disable that? [07:31] probably didn't manage to set it to disable on kernels. [07:31] -fno-stack-protector [07:31] it's a custom kernel [07:32] thnkas [07:32] you know how to change the flags the kernel uses to build right? [07:32] 2 hours wasted [07:32] i am not even going to answer to that question... [07:32] (I don't remember which lines in the Makefiles to edit anymore) [07:33] haha. It's not something you normally gotta screw with :P === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] Good morning [07:35] morning pitti === fabbione larts pitti with a __stack_chk_fail error when building a kernel [07:35] pitti: good morning to you too :) [07:36] hi pygi [07:36] hi fabbione [07:36] fabbione: -fno-stack-protector, dude :) [07:36] pitti: can you please add that to gcc man page? [07:36] fabbione: this was a known issue when we discussed how to enable ssp [07:36] fabbione: and we requested to fix that upstream [07:37] fabbione: yep, will prepare a snippet and send it to doko for the next upload [07:37] because there is the enable flag [07:37] but not how to disable and crap [07:38] also with that kind of error mentioned it might help === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:58] pitti [07:59] With the AutomatedProblemReports, you mention a "server" to handle incoming requests? [07:59] Can Launchpad somehow just be extended to accept problem reports submitted over https and index them etc etc? [08:00] (which would be a "Web application" instead of a "server" I guess...) [08:04] bluefoxicy: we didn't specify that part yet [08:04] bluefoxicy: but we need some backend service which takes core dumps/stack frame dumps and debug symbols and assembles good stack traces out of them [08:04] pitti: nods. I am still overly excited about that :P [08:05] pitti: that can likely be done or called from a php or python script. [08:05] Also, with the stack traces [08:06] if you have a /proc/PID/maps file and a list of addresses, you can locate what addresses fall in what mappings [08:06] you can then take said mappings, subtract their offsets from the addresses you have, and produce offsets in those mappings (i.e. relocations!) [08:07] Then you can load the same library or program, take its base load address, add that to the offset you computed, and you now have the address you need :) === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] I noted this on AutomatedProblemReports somewhere at the end. Figured it might be helpful. You can keep the debugging symbols separate from the actual library itself right? (you really should have binarily identical files to do this...) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy is far too easily amused. === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] bluefoxicy: something like that will be necessary if we don't have a full core dump, yes :/ [08:23] bluefoxicy: right, see AptElfDebugSymbols [08:24] bluefoxicy: there's already a package in the archive that automatically builds .ddebs (separate debug symbols) [08:24] bluefoxicy: pkg-create-dbgsym [08:24] cool. [08:25] That relocation technique shouldn't be too tough, I mean you can load any program that loads the library or executable image and then tell gdb to give whatever info about the new calculated address. [08:25] You won't have the convenience of having the heap, stack, and anonmappings from a core dump of course. [08:25] but you'll at least be able to get a symbolic backtrace. [08:28] bluefoxicy: well, we still need a stack dump for the function arguments [08:29] bluefoxicy: incorporating them will be some more fiddling work [08:31] Riddell: any idea about bug 53518? [08:31] Malone bug 53518 in Ubuntu "Problem with login in!!" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53518 [08:31] a little more work. [08:31] However, the function arguments are not as important as the function itself; we still have a win if we learn a code path is broken, even if we don't know why it's broken. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hungerW [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A64E64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-105-178.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1ADC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] good morning === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-112-67.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] i have to sleep, it's 3am === Zdra [n=zdra@146-29.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@175.Red-88-9-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ^ohoel [n=beshy@85.89.201.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-89-10.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@175.Red-88-9-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@175.Red-88-9-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gbon121 [n=gbon121@151.5.148.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] fabbione: I don't know if I am more scared about you becoming a father or the poor child with you as a father ;) === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] Burgundavia: i think my wife is more scared than you are for the poor child to become like me :D [09:34] fabbione: indeed [09:38] congrats fabbione :-) === hungerW [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carthik hugs fabbione [09:40] i am not father yet [09:40] there is nothing to congratulate... [09:40] bah [09:40] you will all know when i will be father [09:40] trust me on that :D [09:40] crimsun: I was commenting on the scary prospect of fabbione actually having to teach the little rotter about ethics and all that jazz [09:41] ah === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-112-67.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.20.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.136.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] mvo: over your holiday, I found some serious weirdness in python-apt, and was trying to decide if it merited a bug report or not [10:47] mvo: specifically, InstallProgress forks a child process and runs pm.DoInstall() in that [10:48] mvo: the problem with this is that any exceptions get raised in the child process, rather than in the parent process where the application can actually deal with them anely [10:48] sanely [10:48] is anyone working on some knot reviews like mgalvin did with the flights at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing ? [10:48] I rewrote ubiquity's InstallProgress subclass to do it the other way up, which also means it doesn't spin so much on waitpid/read [10:49] but I don't know if you want to do something similar with apt.progress; I guess you'd have to hunt down and check all the users now [10:53] Kamion: interessting! I will have a look, is it in your ubiquity bzr branch? === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-104-250.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] mvo: yep === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] heya seb128! [10:58] hey dholbach === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hungerW [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] mvo: the only downside is that if the work done to process apt status messages is remotely likely to raise an exception, then there isn't much that can be done to get that exception out to the main program [11:10] but it seemed better to me to make the trade-off that way [11:10] ogra: did you send that mail about gnome-power-manager? === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0E27E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] can somebody get jokosher out of NEW? ;) [11:21] in a bit [11:21] yoohoooo! === Kamion is concentrating on complicated seed structure changes === fabbione kills another really annoying bug === pygi yays :) [11:28] dholbach: :) [11:29] let's not make my work useless.. [11:29] who's fault is it that my sd-card isn't automatically mounted when I insert it in the reader (on my laptop)? [11:29] FYI in .18-rc statfs call uses dentry while in .17 uses sb [11:29] now.. you might think who cares... [11:30] that it wasted about one day of work to understand why a FS doesn't work and you get 20GB instead of 200GB of free space (when not oopsing) [11:30] (and let's skip the story in the middle of changing HW and stuff.. ok?) [11:33] seb128, the error must be on my side or a bug ... seems its supposed to work without plokit according to hughsie [11:33] ogra: you mailed him? [11:33] seb128, i talked to him [11:33] ok [11:33] i'll dig for the reason [11:34] vuntz: looks like g-p-m 2.15 doesn't require policykit, it should work without [11:34] ogra: ok, thank you [11:35] seb128, thanks me if i got it workig ;P [11:35] ugh ... i should train typing [11:36] *thank me if i got it working ;P [11:38] ogra: "get"? :p === hungerW [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] seb128: ok [11:40] lu vuntz ;) === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] oh, that reminds me ... === ogra puts a pessulus main inclusion report on his todo :) [11:41] floam: its not obvious, im assuming its calling dbus_session_closed or whatever they just took out of the api [11:42] floam: the weekend is coming up, I might manage to fix it, might not... now accepting patches [11:42] Kamion: do we need an UVF for gstreamer or is that the same exception than GNOME? [11:43] seb128, isnt it a requirement of gnome ? [11:43] ogra: it is, like xorg is one too, doesn't mean xorg has a permanent UVF :p [11:43] http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/gstreamer/0.10.9.html looks quite good :) [11:44] seb128, right, but if it doesnt work without :) === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs vuntz :) [11:47] huggers ! [11:48] vuntz, is there something planned for pessulus that makes it possible to edit profiles of other users ? or do i need to copy gconf stuff around ? [11:49] seb128: I don't know about permanent UVF exceptions, but I'm OK with you uploading that [11:49] Kamion: ok, that's slomo who did that update actually but should be fine too, thank you :) [11:49] ok, I think the seed/cdimage world is a bit saner now [11:49] slomo: read that? [11:50] vuntz, see "Lockdown on the fly" for why i'm asking: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/StudentControlPanelCompletion [11:50] adding new seeds that should end up on the CD generally doesn't require coordination with me any more now [11:50] Kamion, seb128: ok, i'll upload gst and gst-plugins-base then... thanks :) [11:50] cool [11:50] you just have to make sure that the ship seed inherits from those seeds (in the STRUCTURE file) [11:50] this meant I had to go around editing STRUCTURE files in old releases, but that's life [11:51] ogra: would this be running on the same computer? [11:51] vuntz, yes, its a ltsp server, everything runs on one machine [11:51] ship> or server-ship for the server build [11:52] ogra: and I guess you don't want to disable the command line for the user using the control panel === aliasfred [n=fred@73.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] q. does the apt source list support something like /etc/apt/sources.d/[list of file] with each of the file in the list contains repository description ? [11:52] vuntz, not really ... that will run under sudo :) [11:53] ogra: it should be easy to do what you want [11:53] is there a howto or something ? [11:53] nope :-) [11:53] or do i need to su $USER pessulus ? [11:53] you just need to change the GCONF_MANDATORY_SOURCE variable in pessulus [11:53] (that would be my ugliest fallback) [11:53] ah ! [11:54] cool [11:54] so it should be possible to patch pessulus to take a command line argument to do so [11:54] aliasfred: yes, sources.list.d [11:54] ogra: well, I believe this should be enough. You'd have to verify ;-) [11:54] yeah, that should be no problem ... [11:54] Kamion: thanks [11:54] vuntz, thanks for now :) [11:55] ogra: feel free to open a bug upstream (and attach a patch there if you do one) [11:55] vuntz, only if thats necessary :) === ogra knocks on update-manager ... which blocks the packaging system since 20min ... === aliasfred [n=fred@73.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:03] pitti, fabbione: read the manpage. it's there [12:03] bddebian: no, I don't care, even not at 3am ;-) === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089FE3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.98.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-222-31.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] ogra: what is it doing? [12:08] mvo, nothing anymore ... i just killed it with a failed hibernate attempt ... [12:08] mvo, welcome back btw ! :) === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] ogra__: ah, ok. thanks for the welcome, its good to be back (although it was good to be away too ;) [12:09] heh === ogra__ would love to be away ... especially far away from moving :P [12:10] *ick* moving is no fun! === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] nah ... [12:11] i'm all alone and the heat doent really help [12:11] *doesnt [12:11] :( [12:12] well, i'll make it ... and then i'll enjoy the new luxury \o/ [12:12] the new house is so lovely with all its gadgets :) [12:13] it has a pool and/or a sauna, right? [12:13] nope, not yet [12:13] thats stuff i'll add [12:13] "yet" [12:13] re all [12:14] mvo: apt-get dselect-upgrade isn't yet fixed in 0.6.44.2ubuntu3 [12:14] but it has a solar powered heating, electrical time/brightness based window blinds .... and the most square thing evah, an electrical garage door :) [12:15] sauna and hot tub are planned for autumn :) [12:16] doko: with ubuntu4? [12:16] doko: that was the version I uploaded [12:16] .2ubuntu3 was my upload and wasn't expected to fix dselect-upgrade :) [12:16] mvo: not yet built/in the archives .. [12:16] doko: please keep me updated once it hits the archive === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089FE3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@82.152.74.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-206-255-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] hmm, where is my cloak === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] ogra: i see it. [12:22] ogra: cloaks are inherently racy [12:22] hmm, i see dip.t-dialin.net [12:23] whois says masked [12:23] i also got no message from nickserv [12:23] usually it tells me it sets the cloak === cassidy [n=cassidy@114.162-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] can anyone point me towards where to dig to find all hardware dependant bits of a fresh Dapper install? i.e. what bits can change when installed on a different hardware? [12:30] all the stuff hw-detect does; /etc/{mkinitramfs,initramfs-tools}/conf.d/resume (oops, need to fix ubiquity for the new location); /boot/initrd.img-*; /etc/network/interfaces; /etc/iftab [12:30] I think that's about it [12:31] you can look through the stuff ubiquity does [12:31] (scripts/install.py) [12:31] thanks, will look at that. [12:33] hmm, bzrk seems to be broken in dapper. [12:33] Mithrandir: hasnt worked for me in awhile [12:33] Mithrandir: but i blamed my ssh X forwarding or something [12:34] bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AttributeError: 'BzrBranch5' object has no attribute 'get_revision' at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins/bzrk/graph.py line 42 in distances [12:34] thats it [12:34] doesn't look like SSH breakage. :-P [12:34] yeah :p [12:34] I screwed up some permissions, too [12:34] having 3 people edit in a directory is bad news === mike___ [n=mike@12.206.1.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] (I use bzr to merge between devel and production, not between developers.. they arent totally up on the VCS bit yet) :( [12:35] Mithrandir: that's supposed to have been fixed once. bug #37162 [12:35] Malone bug 37162 in bzrk "bzrk is broken with current version of bzr in dapper" [High,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37162 [12:36] released, but not commited perhaps? === Zomb [n=eb@x118.rhrk.uni-kl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] pygi: that doesnt make sense. [12:36] pygi, no, sivang uploaded that to dapper [12:36] but bzr might have changed since :) === Mithrandir downgrades bzrk to what's in dapper. :-P [12:39] tseng: ACLs for the win, in that case, i guess :-) [12:39] is there a plan to add opera to dapper repos? [12:39] thom: yeah that would be nice [12:39] gnomefreak: it's in dapper-commercial [12:39] ?? [12:39] thom: or not letting networking guys write code [12:39] gnomefreak, its there :) [12:39] Kamion: can someone add that to the site [12:39] ah, damned lag [12:39] archive.canonical.com [12:39] gnomefreak: -v [12:40] also gnome-app-install in dapper will list it [12:40] this is what im talking about http://www.ubuntu.com/news/opera9 [12:40] gnomefreak: er, -v => please be more verbose. what site? [12:40] gnomefreak: upgrade to current dapper-updates and add/remove programs will list it [12:40] gnomefreak, whats wrong with that page ? i find it pretty clear [12:41] it should tell you that you need to upgrade, but I can't edit that page [12:41] there is an Ubuntu contact e-mail address at the bottom of that page [12:41] ok ty [12:42] tseng: heh, or that [12:42] it's not clear about how to install it without add/remove programs though, he has a point [12:42] seb128, is it intentional that my volume mutimedia keys dont follow the selected soundcard in the volume control applet ? [12:43] im emailing yates [12:43] they appear to always only work for the internal one ... === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] heya rodarvus! [12:46] dholbach: hi there! [12:46] you did rocking work on the X front! [12:46] anyone with access to the fridge? can you add the docteam meeting of today at 19UTC? [12:47] mdke: if everything else fails, frigde-devel@ might help - but i guess you know that already [12:47] dholbach: thanks :) [12:47] theres lots of stuff to do, though :/ [12:48] i can imagine - how many source package are those? [12:48] I have to finish updating the rest of the libs (15-20, I think), and then theres xorg-server, mesa, and aaaaall the drivers [12:48] I think 100+ [12:48] dholbach: yeah, will try that [12:48] not counting apps, which are less important [12:49] time to attract followers to a x team :) [12:50] ooh, Debian fixed the yaboot initramfs/XFS bug === Kamion sends UVF exception request [12:50] rodarvus: I noticed x detects my resolution wrongly on the knot-1 livecd, which data should I gather for a proper bug report? === bishop [n=towolf@N1406.n.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] I started https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XSwat and worked on an announce of the team, but infinity and fabbione never found the time [12:51] let me take a look there === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089FE3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] mumble mumble ... [12:53] HiddenWolf: to be sincere, I haven't touched any bits regarding xorg configuration during install, yet (so I'm not completely aware of the installer log files) - but /etc/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log are a good start === Zomb [n=eb@x118.rhrk.uni-kl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] also possibly the output of lspci -v [12:53] rodarvus: Right, i'll start there then. === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool [12:55] ogra__: gnome-power-manager indeed does work when configured with --disable-policykit [12:55] bishop, it didnt two weeks ago [12:56]