[01:40] <crimsun> hmm, who was packaging midisport-firmware again?
[01:40] <crimsun> we need to modify this packaging
[01:45] <Toadstool> crimsun: do the buildds use dash as a shell?
[01:50] <crimsun> Toadstool: yes.
[01:50] <Toadstool> 'cause there's a bashism in cdbs/python-distutils.mk...
[01:51] <crimsun> fun, needs to be fixed :-)
[01:51] <Toadstool> bug 53563
[01:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53563 in cdbs "[Edgy]  Bashism in python-distutils.mk" [Low,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53563
[01:51] <ajmitch> morning
[01:51] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch
[01:55] <Toadstool> g'night everybody
[02:23] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:35] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:38] <ajmitch> sladen: there always has to be one..
[02:39] <sladen> it's actually 01:39, so cheating by a couple of hours---not sure I was going to be awake much later
[02:52] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[02:54] <LaserJock> heh, somtimes I'm amazed at how low tech science can be
[02:54] <LaserJock> I just got done measuring the width of a laser beam with a sewing needle and some foam :-)
[02:55] <zul> hi
[02:57] <ajmitch> hello zul
[02:57] <zul> hi andrew how goes it?
[03:00] <bddebian> Heya zul
[03:00] <ajmitch> good, how are you?
[03:00] <zul> hey bddebian
[03:00] <zul> good
[03:05] <bddebian> crimsun: You around?
[03:06] <ajmitch> ok...
[03:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: ?
[03:12] <bddebian> I love packages that build-dep python, etc then use /foo/bar/python2.3 in rules
[03:13] <bddebian> And I love talking to myself
[03:29] <zul> hmmm..
[03:34] <zul> if i could only seppl the world would be a happier place
[03:37] <bddebian>  seppl?
[03:37] <zul> see
[03:41] <Cornellius> Is e17 in the repositories ?
[03:41] <Cornellius> Or is it e16.9 ?
[03:41] <zul> which repositories are you talkinb about
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> Is anything happening about ebuntu ?
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> (for edgy ?)
[03:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: ebuntu, not edubuntu
[03:46] <bddebian> Oh
[03:46] <ajmitch> ask the ebuntu person if you see him round
[03:46] <bddebian> WTF is ebuntu?
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> Do you know his nick ?
[03:46] <micahcowan> bddebian: educational ubuntu
[03:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: google would tell you
[03:46] <micahcowan> or, no...
[03:46] <ajmitch> micahcowan: no, that's different
[03:46] <micahcowan> that's edubuntu, in'it?
[03:46] <bddebian> aye
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> ebuntu is ubuntu with e-17
[03:47] <bddebian> Ah
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> (according to the spec)
[03:47] <ajmitch> it was never anything more than a bunch of checkinstall-created packages
[03:47] <ajmitch> h3sp4wn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Manishchakravarty
[03:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh sure, give him a URL and tell me to google, thanks honey :-)
[03:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: the *first* hit for ebuntu is the wiki page
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> ajmitch: That seems silly as in the e-17 cvs it already has debian/rules for most of the packages
[03:49] <zul> doesnt mean the debian/rules is any good
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> It was done by the debian e-17 maintainers
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> dunno how good they are
[03:50] <h3sp4wn> Right I will e-mail the guy incharge of it
[03:50] <h3sp4wn> Thanks alot
[03:52] <h3sp4wn> What right now ?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:01] <ajmitch> barely morning
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hush, you!
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[04:19] <bddebian> crimsun: around?
[04:27] <bddebian> heh@ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372649
[04:27] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 372649 in ivtools "Subject: ivtools: FTBFS: dh_movefiles: debian/tmp/usr/lib/libIV.so.1 not found" [Serious,Open] 
[04:34] <bddebian> Ack what a crackful "fix" for ivtools in Debian
[05:34] <crimsun> bddebian: hi
[05:34] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[05:34] <crimsun> bddebian: you pinged earlier?
[05:35] <bddebian> crimsun: Yeah, I was hoping you could help me but I think I may head to bed..
[05:35] <crimsun> ok
[05:35] <bddebian> crimsun: That ivtools "fix" in Debian is crack.. WTF?
[05:38] <crimsun> heh
[05:38] <bddebian> Read the last entry of the bug I pasted earlier if you get a sec :-)
[05:39] <crimsun> yeah, read that yesterday
[05:39] <crimsun> I need to figure out why none of the symlinks are being created properly
[05:40] <crimsun> getting it to build is not a problem, but the libs are pretty nastly (read: useless) without the proper symlinks
[05:40] <crimsun> nasty ^
[05:40] <crimsun> oh wait, I wonder if this is autoconf fsckage
[05:51] <bddebian> crimsun: Shouldn't it be fixed to not build in /usr/lib/X11R6 at all?
[05:53] <crimsun> bddebian: I've done that locally
[05:53] <bddebian> Ah
[05:56] <ajmitch> hi crimsun
[05:56] <crimsun> hi ajmitch
[05:57] <fowlduck> hi
[05:58] <fowlduck> hey, i'm trying to use my gpg key on another computer, I transfered the .gnupg directory, set and exported the GPGKEY environment variable, started gpg-agent, what do I lack?
[06:00] <Laser_away> gpg? :-)
[06:00] <fowlduck> gnupg?
[06:01] <Laser_away> well, it's sort of an obvious problem, but that kind of thing happends
[06:02] <fowlduck> obvious to everyone?
[06:02] <Laser_away> bddebian: thanks for the MOTU Science work
[06:02] <bddebian> fowlduck: Do you have gpg installed?
[06:03] <fowlduck> yep
[06:03] <bddebian> LaserJock: NP.  Now, where do I get one of those mentors anyway? :-)
[06:03] <LaserJock> fowlduck: no, what I was saying was it's the sort of thing where you go "doh"
[06:03] <LaserJock> not that I know what your problem is
[06:03] <fowlduck> LaserJock, so, what's the fix?
[06:03] <fowlduck> oh, heh
[06:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm, I've never mentored a diety before, but it might be interesting ;-)
[06:04] <bddebian> Gah, I really do wonder why I'm here some times.. :'-(
[06:04] <LaserJock> because you love us
[06:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're meant to be one of the mentors
[06:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah right, like I could mentor anyone :-)
[06:05] <ajmitch> more so than I could
[06:05] <bddebian> Oh BS
[06:05] <LaserJock> bddebian: you should
[06:06] <bddebian> I can't even get my own questions answered, how would I mentor someone else?
[06:06] <LaserJock> it's not "teach them everything about packaging" mentoring
[06:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: So request it ;-)
[06:06] <ajmitch> it's in incoming, not in the pool
[06:06] <LaserJock> bddebian: you can tell them "I know how you feel" :-)
[06:06] <ajmitch> so I have to wait ~24 hours
[06:06] <bddebian> ah
[06:06] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, OK :-)
[06:07] <crimsun> ajmitch: if you catch kamion/keybuk, they can sync from incoming
[06:07] <bddebian> Anyway, I had better hit the hay.  Gnight folks
[06:07] <ajmitch> crimsun: how useful, it's not quite that urgent though
[06:07] <ajmitch> just making it installable again on edgy & closing an RC bug in sid
[06:07] <fowlduck> I go to sign this package and I get this error: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[06:08] <LaserJock> fowlduck: and it doesn't work?
[06:09] <LaserJock> I don't use a gpg agent I don't think
[06:09] <fowlduck> nope
[06:10] <LaserJock> hmm, some time I should install f-spot, I've never seen it
[06:14] <fowlduck> ok, figured it out
[06:14] <fowlduck> don't just copy the directory over
[06:14] <fowlduck> use gpg --import /path/to/.gnupg/*
[06:15] <LaserJock> really? I've never had to do that
[06:15] <LaserJock> whatever works though
[06:15] <fowlduck> i dunno
[06:15] <fowlduck> it worked now though
[06:17] <fowlduck> so, who wants to sponsor a wonderfully wonderful package?
[06:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: do you do jabber?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes
[06:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hobbsee@jabber.org
[06:18] <crimsun> spam!
[06:18] <Hobbsee> crimsun: bleh.  yeah
[06:18] <LaserJock> I was looking it up on LP
[06:19] <LaserJock> I just wanted to know if you had it cause I'm collecting addresses
[06:19] <ajmitch> stalker...
[06:19] <LaserJock> yep
[06:20] <LaserJock> well the other night freenode went out for a while
[06:20] <LaserJock> so people were swapping jabber
[06:20] <ajmitch> so you had to check if you were still connected? ;)
[06:20] <LaserJock> I'm up to 18 people now
[06:21] <LaserJock> interestingly, only Ubuntu people
[06:21] <LaserJock> I have no life it seems
[06:21] <ajmitch> only a few, I think
[06:21] <fowlduck> hmm, i'm on jabber methinks, because of gmail
[06:21] <LaserJock> yes
[06:21] <fowlduck> yay
[06:21] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: crimsun :)
[06:22] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just list it on your launchpad page
[06:22] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I don't think my wife would approve of me stalking a nice young lady, besides, that's really creepy
[06:22] <Hobbsee> LaserJock:
[06:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:23] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hm?
[06:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock: launchpad has a place to list your JID
[06:23] <LaserJock> yeah, I put my there ages ago
[06:23] <LaserJock> s/my/mine/
[06:24] <ajmitch> if we could get all of those for a team, like we can with gpg...
[06:24] <LaserJock> ohhh, nice idea
[06:25] <LaserJock> I noticed there was an #ubuntu room on the jabber network
[06:26] <ajmitch> hm, the rdf only has the gpg info
[06:26] <LaserJock> rdf?
[06:26] <ajmitch> yes
[06:26] <ajmitch> the magic crack that web 2.0 is sprinkled with
[06:28] <LaserJock> I still can't figure out web 1.0
[06:30] <fowlduck> sooooooooooo, who wants to revu mac-robber?
[06:31] <fowlduck> don't all jump at once now
[06:32] <LaserJock> fowlduck: sorry fowlduck, I can't tonight
[06:32] <crimsun> if you insist we don't
[06:32] <LaserJock> fowlduck: what's the url?
[06:32] <fowlduck> hehe, thanks LaserJock
[06:32] <LaserJock> I can at least glance at it
[06:33] <fowlduck> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2757
[06:33] <fowlduck> it's tiny
[06:33] <fowlduck> crimsun, I completely understand :)
[06:33] <LaserJock> fowlduck: do you know how to set up a .htaccess file to password protect a webpage?
[06:33] <fowlduck> fowlduck, umm, not off-hand, no
[06:33] <fowlduck> err
[06:34] <fowlduck> yeah
[06:34] <fowlduck> LaserJock, no, not off-hand, and I believe for security .htaccess is not the preferred method
[06:35] <LaserJock> darn, I was going to swap knowledge, oh well
[06:35] <fowlduck> http://www.javascriptkit.com/howto/htaccess3.shtml
[06:36] <fowlduck> LaserJock, htpasswd file would work
[06:36] <LaserJock> haha, you must have been googling the same places I was ;-)
[06:36] <fowlduck> hehe
[06:37] <fowlduck> well, you reviewers have your work cut out for ya
[06:37] <fowlduck> i was just looking through that page, that's a lot of packages
[06:37] <LaserJock> boy, that is small
[06:37] <fowlduck> yep
[06:37] <fowlduck> small forensics tool
[06:37] <ajmitch> well that diff is almost as large as the orig tarball
[06:38] <ajmitch> mainly because it includes things like the whole GPL, an uncut debian/rules done by dh_make, etc
[06:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you gonna comment?
[06:38] <fowlduck> please comment, I'd like to learn to package better
[06:38] <ajmitch> people don't like me reviewing too much :)
[06:39] <fowlduck> ajmitch, the harshest teachers teach the most
[06:40] <fowlduck> I should have some more fun packages tomorrow to bug you guys with.  Something far larger
[06:47] <fowlduck> is it possible to offer an update to a package that seems to have been laid aside?
[06:49] <LaserJock> fowlduck: is the package in Debian?
[06:49] <fowlduck> good ?
[06:49] <ajmitch> fowlduck: I've added a comment
[06:49] <fowlduck> know an easy way to find outr?
[06:50] <fowlduck> ajmitch, i appreciate it, thanks
[06:50] <ajmitch> not comprehensive by any means
[06:50] <fowlduck> no 10-page report?  i'm disappointed ;-)
[06:51] <LaserJock> fowlduck: he doesn't need 10 pages, trust me
[06:52] <fowlduck> hehe i know i know
[06:52] <ajmitch> should I go & get some caffeine & work late tonight?
[06:53] <fowlduck> ajmitch, you could rest, get up early, and work refreshed
[06:53] <ajmitch> nah
[06:53] <lifeless> man
[06:53] <lifeless> work
[06:53] <lifeless> I can watch that shit all day
[06:53] <ajmitch> afternoon lifeless :)
[06:54] <fowlduck> LaserJock, the package that needs updating is in debian, how does that affect my proposed update of it?
[06:55] <LaserJock> well, I would probably try to see what's going on in Debian first then
[06:55] <fowlduck> ok, thx
[06:59] <fowlduck> another question, is every tool required to have a manpage?  mac-robber doesn't come with one
[07:00] <LaserJock> if it goes in /usr/bin then probably
[07:00] <ajmitch> that's the fun part of packaging
[07:02] <fowlduck> LaserJock, see, I wasn't even sure if it went in /usr/bin, I just put it there because it seemed to fit
[07:02] <LaserJock> I'm guessing that's the place for the binary
[07:04] <fowlduck> wow, Foremost is at 0.69 in debian and ubuntu, the current release version is 1.2 with a release of 1.0 in between the two.  Maybe they've just stopped updating it.  Hopefully they're get it up to date :/
[07:05] <LaserJock> you can always email the maitainer and politely ask (but check on the BTS first)
[07:05] <fowlduck> BTS?
[07:06] <fowlduck> I already politely emailed them, so oops?
[07:06] <LaserJock> bugs.debian.org Bug Tracking System
[07:06] <fowlduck> oh, ok, thanks
[07:06] <LaserJock> you could check to see if a bug was opened about getting the new version
[07:07] <LaserJock> ok, good night folks
[07:07] <fowlduck> oh, ok, great.  If there isn't I suppose I could file one, but I'll wait on a reply
[07:07] <fowlduck> g'nite LaserJock, thanks as usual
[07:07] <Laser_away> np
[07:14] <fowlduck> g'nite people
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hi all
[07:19] <ajmitch> welcome back Hobbsee
[07:19] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:41] <Hobbsee> do we actually use build-depends-indep?
[07:41] <Hobbsee> ie. +Build-Depends-Indep: libqt3-mt-dev, kdelibs4-dev, perl
[07:41] <ajmitch> why wouldn't you use it?
[07:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i've never seen it used before, that's why i'm asking.
[07:43] <ajmitch> it is used quite often
[07:43] <Hobbsee> cool, okay
[07:44] <ajmitch> eg I count 3106 packages with debhelper in B-D-I
[07:45] <Hobbsee> right, okay
[09:07] <dholbach> good morning
[09:10] <crimsun> morning Daniel
[09:12] <Arbiter> Mithrandir, ping
[09:12] <Mithrandir> Arbiter: hi
[09:12] <Arbiter> hi
[09:13] <Arbiter> Mithrandir, yesterday you told me that buildd for x86 uses -march=i486 -mtune=pentium-4 if i remember correctly
[09:13] <Mithrandir> no, I didn't, but it does, yes.
[09:14] <Arbiter> uhm... i was wondering...
[09:14] <Arbiter> why use -mtune=pentium-4? on non-pentium machines binaries are really sloooow
[09:14] <Mithrandir> like, 486-es or something else?
[09:15] <Arbiter> i'm on an athlon-xp
[09:15] <Mithrandir> k7 is optimised to do pentium binaries quite fast.
[09:15] <Arbiter> Mithrandir, i find my ubuntu slower than a slackware installation :P
[09:15] <Mithrandir> if you come up with real numbers in a real benchmark, I'm sure we can look at having it changed, but we'd need numbers.
[09:16] <Arbiter> it's just impressions :D
[09:17] <Mithrandir> well, such impressions are easily fooled.
[09:20] <Arbiter> Mithrandir, hehehe
[09:20] <Arbiter> :D
[09:20] <Arbiter> Mithrandir, you're a -core-dev right?
[09:21] <Mithrandir> yes
[09:21] <Arbiter> cool
[09:21] <Arbiter> Mithrandir, thank you for your work then :D
[09:22] <Arbiter> ubuntu is great ;)
[09:23] <Mithrandir> thanks. :-)
[09:23] <Arbiter> ;)
[09:44] <phanatic> morning motu world
[09:45] <crimsun> hi
[09:49] <Arbiter> hey phanatic
[09:49] <Arbiter> :)
[09:49] <phanatic> heya Arbiter
[09:53] <Arbiter> Mithrandir, maybe you know if edgy is going to have reiser4 support?
[09:54] <Mithrandir> Arbiter: no idea, sorry.
[09:54] <Arbiter> ow
[09:55] <Arbiter> it would be a nice feature for edgy (imvho)
[10:22] <Arbiter> uhm... can I use .orig.tar.bz2? or only .orig.tar.gz is allowed/useable?
[10:28] <Fujitsu> Arbiter, you can't use a bzip2. Must be a gzip.
[10:29] <Arbiter> heh
[10:29] <Arbiter> i _must_ modify the original tarball then
[10:29] <Arbiter> :p
[10:29] <Arbiter> (upstream provides only .bz2)
[10:42] <Fujitsu> Arbiter, there's a special exception for that. You are allowed to bunzip2 it and gzip it.
[10:42] <Arbiter> well :)
[12:40] <chantra> hi there
[12:55] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[12:57] <phanatic> hey Toadstool
[12:58] <Toadstool> heya phanatic
[12:58] <chantra> do you guys know how I could compile packages for x64 architecture? is there any build farm around?
[12:58] <chantra> I have tried dpkg-cross without any success :s
[02:14] <zul> hey
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:49] <tseng> hi Hobbsee
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hi tseng :)
[02:50] <zul> hi Hobbsee
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hi zul
[02:52] <Sp4rKy> hi
[02:52] <phanatic> hey Hobbsee
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic :)
[02:53] <Cornellius> Hi there
[02:53] <zul> setting up edirectory is fun..
[03:46] <fowlduck> hallo
[03:49] <fowlduck> how does one build a pbuilder environment for edgy?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[03:50] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:50] <fowlduck> wait, think I figured it out
[03:50] <fowlduck> sudo pbuilder update --distribution <newdistro> --override-config
[03:51] <phanatic> fowlduck: that should do the trick
[03:51] <fowlduck> phanatic, looks like it's working.  I built a package for dapper and put it on revu....oops!
[03:51] <fowlduck> be back in a bit
[03:53] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: heh, i've done that with 2 packages, and tried to upload them :P
[03:54] <Cornellius> Why does Mepis goes from 3.4 to 6.0 is beyond me.
[03:56] <zul> i think it might be mepis might be based off of us now
[03:58] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi Gloubiboulga
[03:58] <Arbiter> wb Gloubiboulga
[03:58] <Cornellius> Yay for nick completion :)
[03:58] <Arbiter> :D
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hehe exactly
[03:59] <Gloubiboulga> hello *
 hello Gloubiboulga
[04:00] <Gloubiboulga> sorry, I'm lazy today ;)
[04:02] <bjp> hi Gloubiboulga
[04:02] <Cornellius> Hello world !
[04:02] <bjp> Gloubiboulga> must be the temparture causing that ;-)
[04:03] <Gloubiboulga> bjp, yep :)
[04:03] <Cornellius> It's below 30 C here, finally :)
[04:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> hehe :)
[04:07] <zul> BirthdayHobbsee: happy bday you old fart
[04:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> hehe
[04:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> where's my walking stick?
[04:07] <phanatic> BirthdayHobbsee: yay, happy birthsday :)
[04:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> :)
[04:07] <phanatic> -s
[04:07] <Cornellius> I got 23 yrs old on July 9th :)
[04:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> :)
[04:09] <Cornellius> How old are you now Hobbsee ?
[04:10] <BirthdayHobbsee> Cornellius: 18
[04:10] <fowlduck> wow, grandma here
[04:10] <Cornellius> Good, now you're legal :)
[04:10] <BirthdayHobbsee> lol
[04:11] <fowlduck> don't see too many 18-y/o women as cool as you BirthdayHobbsee, tbh
[04:11] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: :)
[04:11] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: most of them hate computers
[04:11] <fowlduck> yep (my wife included)
[04:11] <fowlduck> we got married when she was 18 :)
[04:12] <BirthdayHobbsee> ouch? that's young!
[04:12] <zul> i feel old now
[04:12] <ogra> H A P P Y  B I R T H D A Y  H O B B S E E !!
[04:12] <fowlduck> naw, it's fantastic, now she's 21 and I'm 23, things are goin great
[04:12] <BirthdayHobbsee> hehe
[04:12] <BirthdayHobbsee> thankyou ogra :)
[04:13] <ogra> :))
[04:13] <Cornellius> fowlduck: That's good to hear
[04:13] <Cornellius> "things are goin grea"
[04:14] <fowlduck> :)
[04:17] <fowlduck> !debianpolicy
[04:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about debianpolicy - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:17] <fowlduck> !debian policy
[04:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about debian policy - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:20] <fowlduck> for section, I'm putting utils, should I put 'universe/utils', 'multiverse/utils', or just 'utils'?
[04:21] <Gloubiboulga> just 'utils'
[04:21] <fowlduck> ok thx
[04:24] <fowlduck> where can the GPL text be found on ubuntu?
[04:24] <dholbach> /usr/share/common-licenses
[04:25] <dholbach> gnu.org
[04:25] <fowlduck> dholbach, thanks, appreciate it
[04:25] <dholbach> everywhere :)
[04:25] <dholbach> it's on the tshirt i wear today! :)
[04:25] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi dholbach
[04:25] <fowlduck> haha
[04:25] <dholbach> fowlduck: really :)
[04:25] <dholbach> BirthdayHobbsee: you have birthday today?!
[04:25] <BirthdayHobbsee> dholbach: yep :)
[04:25] <dholbach> WOW!!!
[04:25] <dholbach> happy birthday
[04:26] <BirthdayHobbsee> dholbach: ajmitch and yagisan have seen proof of this :)
[04:26] <BirthdayHobbsee> dholbach: thankyou :)
[04:26] <dholbach> proof as in how?
[04:27] <BirthdayHobbsee> dholbach: DOB on licence
[04:27] <dholbach> ah so you're getting drunk together now?
[04:28] <BirthdayHobbsee> dholbach: nope, parents are asleep, and i'm sitting examining kdeartwokr (screensavers) at the moment.
[04:28] <Arbiter> BirthdayHobbsee, happy birthday :)
[04:28] <BirthdayHobbsee> dholbach: as for why, i dont know - why am i looking to fix stuff in main, when i now have upload rights?
[04:28] <BirthdayHobbsee> Arbiter: thankyou :)
[04:28] <Arbiter> BirthdayHobbsee, did you become a MOTU?
[04:29] <Arbiter> (this wed iirc)?
[04:29] <BirthdayHobbsee> Arbiter: yep
[04:29] <Arbiter> BirthdayHobbsee, wow!
[04:29] <Arbiter> BirthdayHobbsee, congratulations :D
[04:29] <BirthdayHobbsee> :D
[04:31] <phanatic> BirthdayHobbsee: congrats for becoming a MOTU really ;)
[04:31] <Arbiter> BirthdayHobbsee, next step is -core-dev :D
[04:31] <BirthdayHobbsee> phanatic: thankyou  :)
[04:31] <BirthdayHobbsee> Arbiter: yeah - i've already tried uploading one thing to main accidently :P
[04:32] <Arbiter> lol
[04:32] <Arbiter> me too :P
[04:32] <fowlduck> is there an easy program to use to create/edit manpages?
[04:32] <Arbiter> but i'm not motu or -core-dev :P
[04:32] <dholbach> fowlduck: use the example of dh_make
[04:32] <Arbiter> fowlduck, manedit but uses gtk 1.2 afaik
[04:33] <_ion> fowlduck: I usually use help2man to create the initial man page and then fix it manually.
[04:33] <fowlduck> dholbach, eh?
[04:34] <dholbach> i think dh_make gives you an xml file example
[04:34] <dholbach> doesnt it?
[04:34] <fowlduck> dholbach, oh, in the debian directory, yes, I just don't want to mess it up
[04:35] <dholbach> hum
[04:35] <fowlduck> i can definitely see myself screwing it up good
[04:36] <dholbach> it's easier to edit an xml file and then mangle it into a manpage in debian/rules
[04:37] <fowlduck> well, know any good programs to assist in editing XML files then?  Anything to help my clumsiness
[04:38] <zul> vim ;)
[04:39] <Arbiter> :)
[04:39] <Arbiter> or emacs
[04:39] <Arbiter> :P
[04:44] <ryanakca> what command do you run to reupload sources to typespeed? dput -f typespeed_0.5.1-1_source.changes
[04:45] <ryanakca> (this is after I fixed things according to the comments)
[04:46] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:46] <Gloubiboulga> hey bddebian
[04:46] <BirthdayHobbsee> ryanakca: ah, yeah, that shoudl wrok
[04:47] <bddebian> Hello Gloubiboulga
[04:47] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian
[04:47] <ryanakca> ooh... happy birthday hobbsee
[04:47] <bddebian> Hello Yagisan
[04:47] <Yagisan> BirthdayHobbsee: Congrats
[04:48] <BirthdayHobbsee> ryanakca: Yagisan: :)
[04:48] <FunnyLookinHat> So if compiling from source requires me to throw special parameters at ./configure and to run something else before make   what file do I change that dh_make creates?
[04:49] <bddebian> FunnyLookinHat: Those should go in debian/rules
[04:49] <FunnyLookinHat> bddebian, sweet thanks
[04:50] <bddebian> FunnyLookinHat: Is it a cdbs package or other?
[04:50] <FunnyLookinHat> bddebian, MythTV
[04:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Not using cdbs
[04:50] <bddebian> FunnyLookinHat: OK, then just add them to the ./configure line
[04:50] <FunnyLookinHat> ok sounds good
[04:51] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm wait
[04:51] <FunnyLookinHat> I can see how to do the ./configure stuff in that file
[04:51] <FunnyLookinHat> but after I run that I have to run: qmake mythtv.pro
[04:51] <FunnyLookinHat> then make
[04:52] <bddebian> OK
[04:53] <fowlduck> dholbach, under the refsynopsisdiv, what do the tags in the line: <arg><option>-e <replaceable>this</replaceable></option></arg>
[04:53] <fowlduck> mean?
[04:53] <dholbach> those are the commandline options
[04:53] <Toadstool> re
[04:53] <dholbach> try building the package
[04:54] <dholbach> or try to generate the manpage from xml file
[04:54] <bddebian> wb Toadstool
[04:54] <dholbach> then you'll see how they show up
[04:54] <dholbach> hey Toadstool, bddebian
[04:54] <Toadstool> heya bddebian, dholbach
[04:54] <fowlduck> dholbach, hmm, what's the tool for that?
[04:54] <dholbach> fowlduck:    apt-get source glom    - i did it there
[04:55] <fowlduck> dholbach, forgive my ignorance, but how to I access the contents of the three files it downloads?
[04:56] <fowlduck> nvm
[04:56] <fowlduck> there is a directory
[04:56] <fowlduck> sorry
[04:56] <dholbach> yeah
[04:56] <dholbach> look at glom*/debian
[04:56] <dholbach> debian/rules builds the manpage
[04:59] <fowlduck> dholbach, thanks
[04:59] <dholbach> anytime
[05:10] <fowlduck> hmm, should see also be removed if there is nothing else to look at?
[05:13] <fowlduck> howdy hub
[05:25] <zakame> hi all
[05:28] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:36] <fowlduck> weird, lintian said edgy was a bad distribution
[05:36] <Cornellius> Not a bad, but not stable enough yet.
[05:38] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: yeah, it's been doing that for a while.  use linda instead.
[05:38] <BirthdayHobbsee> Cornellius: bah.  who needs stable anyway
[05:38] <Cornellius> :D
[05:38] <fowlduck> BirthdayHobbsee, yeah, debuild uses lintian though, unless there is a setting for that
[05:38] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: true.  didnt think debuild used either.
[05:39] <fowlduck> doesn't hurt it though, just runs before signing
[05:39] <BirthdayHobbsee> true
[05:48] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:49] <tritium> Hi bddebian
[05:49] <tritium> Happy Birthday, BirthdayHobbsee :)
[05:50] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi tritium :) ty
[05:51] <bluefoxicy> hey!  It was my birthday 2 days ago
[05:51] <bddebian> bluefoxicy: Well Happy belated Birthday
[05:51] <tritium> happy belated, bluefoxicy
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> heh
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> i'm 21 now, I can buy beer; I still can't drink it, it tastes like crap.
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> S.S. IPM (RAW)
[05:53] <fowlduck> bluefoxicy, i second that
[05:53] <tritium> heresy!
[05:53] <fowlduck> so, anyone up for reviewing a tiny little package?
[05:54] <fowlduck> if you do: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2757
[05:54] <fowlduck> just fixed everything after ajmitch's decimation ;-)
[05:54] <bluefoxicy> oh God they finally caught up to me XD
[05:54] <bluefoxicy> did Knot 1 get released last night or something?
[05:55] <tritium> yeah, it's out
[05:56] <bluefoxicy> There's suddenly a ton of ... interesting conversation (and very bad jokes) floating in #techfurs
[05:59] <BirthdayHobbsee> bluefoxicy: hehe thanks.
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you search LP for a specific bug?
[06:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: sure.  type in the bug number on teh front page
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. *looks on front page*
[06:08] <zakame> bluefoxicy: 21 cheers for you :)
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> BirthdayHobbsee, in malone?
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, here it is
[06:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: yep
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( its broken *hopes its unbroken soon*
[06:10] <bluefoxicy> yay my edgy CDs are here!
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> fair effort o_0
[06:12] <bluefoxicy> um, what are the stickers for?
[06:15] <tritium> For sticking onto your laptop, or something, bluefoxicy :)
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> o_o they're huge
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> they arnt that big o_0
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> My AMD sticker is like [ ]  these are like (                     |
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> bluefoxicy, they are advertising, not badging :)
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> oh
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> also they're kind of... umm.. well I guess the shape is unimportant but o_o
[06:20] <LaserJock> Morning MOTU people
[06:20] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi LaserJock
[06:20] <LaserJock> BirthdayHobbsee: hmm, something seems different about you today :-)
[06:20] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: hehe.  yes, i'm needing a walking stick
[06:21] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:21] <LaserJock> have you slept yet? It's pretty early (or late) there
[06:21] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[06:21] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: nope
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi LaserJock
[06:21] <BirthdayHobbsee> @time sydney
[06:21] <Ubug2> Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 22 2006, 02:21:22
[06:21] <LaserJock> yikes! I went to bed at 12:30 last night (had to watch Jay Leno) and I feel aweful this morning
[06:22] <BirthdayHobbsee> heh
[06:22] <LaserJock> apparently I'm neither a late night person nor an early morning person
[06:22] <ogra> no, its all Jay Lenos fault
[06:22] <LaserJock> BirthdayHobbsee: well, when I was young like you I used to do it all the time ;-)
[06:22] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: hehe
[06:22] <bddebian> I'm a late nighter but certainly not an early morning one :-)
[06:22] <tritium> @time Albuquerque
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone familar with quilt patch system?
[06:22] <LaserJock> tritium: hi!
[06:22] <tritium> damn!  Hey, LaserJock
[06:23] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: no, but if you get familiar with it please let me know. I want to add a section on it for the Packaging Guide
[06:23] <LaserJock> ajmitch: SoC?
[06:23] <tritium> hey ajmitch
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, :( i wasnt after that answer
[06:23] <BirthdayHobbsee> ajmitch: because you're crazy.  now go to bed.  i stole a merge from you, i think, btw.
[06:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure, but at nearly 4:30AM?
[06:23] <ajmitch> hi tritium
[06:24] <ajmitch> BirthdayHobbsee: sigh
[06:24] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: best I can offer you from my feeble knowledge, "You can pave the way for futur generations of MOTU" </end TV voice>
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, well, thanks :| when i'm familar with *any* sort of patching i'll let you know :P
[06:26] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: well maybe you just need to wait for the 25th. Our first MOTU School session will be on patching (given by pitti)
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, i asked him last night, he said he wasnt familar with it *lols*
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i will look at that date. where is ther emore info? the wiki?
[06:27] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[06:27] <ajmitch> yay, someone else to do that stuff
[06:28] <tritium> LaserJock: there's a school?  /me needs to take classes...
[06:28] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: yay :)
[06:28] <LaserJock> tritium: you need to teach some ;-)
[06:28] <LaserJock> we also have crimsun lined up to do a merging session
[06:29] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: with the MoM, or without it?
[06:29] <tritium> LaserJock: lol, I would need more knowledge to be able to do that
[06:29] <ajmitch> BirthdayHobbsee should be teaching some
[06:30] <BirthdayHobbsee> ajmitch: heh, rubbish
[06:31] <ajmitch> hm
[06:31] <ajmitch> I guess I should sleep
[06:31] <ajmitch> latest I've stayed up for awhile
[06:32] <LaserJock> BirthdayHobbsee: that's up to crimsun I suppose :-)
[06:34] <ryanakca> BirthdayHobbsee: ooh... class on patching... very usefull.. it confuses me to no end
[06:35] <BirthdayHobbsee> [02:34]  <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: true.  keybuk was happy to help out with MoM stuff - it really does make it a lot easier
[06:35] <ryanakca> fun fun fun
[06:35] <BirthdayHobbsee> ajmitch: hah
[06:36] (Hawkwind/#ubuntu-motu) BirthdayHobbsee: Happy birthday!
[06:36] <BirthdayHobbsee> Hawkwind: :)
[06:36] <Hawkwind> Hope it's been a good one so far :)
[06:36] <BirthdayHobbsee> all two and a half hours o fit :P
[06:46] <fowlduck> wow, so what was that?
[06:47] <BirthdayHobbsee> !netsplit
[06:47] <ryanakca> massive netsplits
[06:47] <BirthdayHobbsee> ubo
[06:47] <fowlduck> LaserJock, hey, feeling like takin a look at my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2757
[06:47] <BirthdayHobbsee> ah yeah
[06:47] <BirthdayHobbsee> Seveas: where's ubotu?
[06:47] <BirthdayHobbsee> there :P
[06:48] <Arbiter> heh
[06:49] <ryanakca> anybody feel like taking a look at my package as well? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2759
[06:51] <BirthdayHobbsee> hey sivang!
[06:56] <kgoetz> BirthdayHobbsee, no it wont :P
[06:56] <BirthdayHobbsee> kgoetz: yes it will :P
[06:57] <fowlduck> hey hobbsee, as a motu you can review packages....riiiiiiiiiiiiiight? :D
[06:57] <kgoetz> :P
[06:57] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: hehe.  indeed, yes i can
[06:57] <kgoetz> i cant proove you wrong for another 10 minutes, but just you wait ;P
[06:58] <fowlduck> BirthdayHobbsee, well I have a birthday present for you!!! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2757
[06:58] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: heh.  too tired for that.
[06:58] <kgoetz> rejected :|
[06:58] <fowlduck> ouch
[06:59] <fowlduck> BirthdayHobbsee, it's cool, I'm just a lil impatient, 's all
[07:00] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: you've made it a native package - you need to be using an orig.tar.gz
[07:00] <fowlduck> BirthdayHobbsee, hum, what? :/
[07:01] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: packages (mostly) consist of a .dsc, a .diff.gz, and a .orig.tar.gz - you've only got a .tar.gz and a .dsc
[07:02] <fowlduck> hmm, I have the orig.tar.gz in the directory with the source
[07:02] <fowlduck> I used dput revu *_source.changes
[07:02] <fowlduck> is that right?
[07:02] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: what's the full name of the .orig.tar.gz?
[07:03] <BirthdayHobbsee> and the orig.tar.gz should be in the directory above teh source?
[07:03] <fowlduck> mac-robber_1.00.orig.tar.gz
[07:03] <fowlduck> yep
[07:03] <BirthdayHobbsee> okay - and what's the source directory name?
[07:03] <fowlduck> http://pastebin.ca/94904
[07:04] <fowlduck> hmm, let me ls -l
[07:04] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: hmmm...
[07:04] <fowlduck> BirthdayHobbsee, http://pastebin.ca/94906
[07:05] <LaserJock> fowlduck: so it seems you managed to turn it into a native package
[07:05] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: rm mac-robber-1.00.tar.gz mac-robber_1.0.0-0ubuntu1*  && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -kyourkeyIDhere
[07:05] <fowlduck> LaserJock, I'm magical *poof*
[07:05] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: yeah, i'm not sure why - maybe due to the extra .tar.gz there...
[07:06] <LaserJock> could be
[07:06] <LaserJock> it happens sometimes
[07:06] <ryanakca> LaserJock: when your done helping fowlduck... could you do me a favor and look threw http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2759
[07:06] <LaserJock> BirthdayHobbsee: and you must not be lazy enough. s/dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot/debuild/
[07:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: yeah, that works too...
[07:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: no, i'm not lazy at all...
[07:07] <fowlduck> BirthdayHobbsee, -A931AB1C is invalid, amd I not getting it?
[07:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> cat sarah@sarah:~$ cat revubuild
[07:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> #!/bin/bash
[07:07] <LaserJock> BirthdayHobbsee: how'd you make MOTU then ;-)
[07:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k98B2D4F0
[07:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: ^
[07:07] <kgoetz> hehe
[07:07] <LaserJock> fowlduck: -k
[07:07] <fowlduck> oh, ok
[07:07] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: i'm not lazy at all - i have a whole host of scripts in /usr/local/bin :P
[07:08] <LaserJock> BirthdayHobbsee: I'm too lazy to make scripts ;-)
[07:08] <kgoetz> lol
[07:08] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: pft.
[07:08] <LaserJock> actually, I think bash scripting has to be one of God's gifts to humanity
[07:08] <kgoetz> come on vim, you should be ready about now :(
[07:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> hi dholbach
[07:09] <fowlduck> weird
[07:09] <fowlduck> it didn't upload the orig
[07:09] <dholbach> re
[07:09] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: changes file likely didtn reference it.
[07:10] <Arbiter> pff... i need to re-upload my colorscheme package :/
[07:10] <LaserJock> fowlduck: did you use -sa with dpkg-buildpackage
[07:10] <fowlduck> LaserJock, indeed I did
[07:10] <Arbiter> (upstream has changed application name from colorscheme to agave)
[07:10] <BirthdayHobbsee> Arbiter: hah.  bet that has to work it's way thru NEW too....
[07:11] <Arbiter> BirthdayHobbsee, and of course it doesn't compile with gcc 4.1 :p
[07:11] <BirthdayHobbsee> Arbiter: yeah, that's normal.
[07:11] <BirthdayHobbsee> with kde, ti's the automake.
[07:11] <Arbiter> but i made a patch... :D
[07:11] <Arbiter> and seems to work
[07:12] <BirthdayHobbsee> yay :)
[07:12] <BirthdayHobbsee> Arbiter: please tell me it's a patch, and you didnt change the .orig.tar.gz
[07:12] <Arbiter> patch, real patch
[07:15] (fowlduck/#ubuntu-motu) where else could it possibly be specified to be native?
[07:15] (fowlduck/#ubuntu-motu) so I can "unspecify"
[07:15] (Arbiter/#ubuntu-motu) BirthdayHobbsee, wow
[07:15] (Arbiter/#ubuntu-motu) 7pm here :D
[07:15] (fowlduck/#ubuntu-motu) 12:15 PM here
[07:16] <fowlduck> LaserJock, any idea?
[07:16] <kgoetz> not-far-behind BirthdayHobbsee here ;)
[07:16] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: if you dont get a .diff.gz, that means it's not native.
[07:16] <BirthdayHobbsee> hehe
[07:16] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: take out the - between the two words on the package, and the same of thename of the .orig.tar.gz?
[07:17] <LaserJock> fowlduck: was it working before?
[07:17] <LaserJock> or has it always been this way?
[07:17] <BirthdayHobbsee> fowlduck: ie, macrobber etc
[07:17] <BirthdayHobbsee> LaserJock: yeah, the last revision, i think
[07:17] <fowlduck> so something I changed changed it
[07:18] <ryanakca> BirthdayHobbsee: wow... 1:17PM here...
[07:18] <fowlduck> the first line in my changelog is: mac-robber (1.0.0-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low
[07:18] <fowlduck> is that correct?
[07:19] <BirthdayHobbsee> yep
[07:19] <fowlduck> i just used "utils" for section in the control file, is that right?  or should it be universe/utils
[07:20] <LaserJock> no
[07:20] <LaserJock> just utils
[07:20] <kgoetz> coool. the vim compile has an eplepsy section
[07:21] <kgoetz> wow. looks pretty badly stuffed actually
[07:21] <LaserJock> fowlduck: ok, this is what I'd do (not sure if it is the best way of doing it)
[07:21] <fowlduck> start over? :/
[07:21] <LaserJock> fowlduck: I'd save the debian/ you've got somewhere about the source dir
[07:22] <LaserJock> then grab the previous source package that worked
[07:22] <fowlduck> ah, ok
[07:22] <LaserJock> diff the two debian/ dirs
[07:22] <LaserJock> to see that the only changes are the ones you want
[07:23] <LaserJock> then copy the changes and rebuild the source package
[07:23] <LaserJock> but I'd get rid of any extra cruft packages (i.e. the latest one)
[07:23] <LaserJock> just to make sure it doesn't get confused
[07:24] <fowlduck> yep, not sure how to diff directories though
[07:24] <LaserJock> diff -Naur <dir1> <dir2>
[07:29] <fowlduck> still no diff
[07:30] <fowlduck> i mean no diff file creating in debuild, if i understood you right
[07:30] <ryanakca> hmmm.... does contributing towards ubuntu-fr still count towards ubuntu membership?
[07:31] <LaserJock> sure
[07:31] <LaserJock> anything Ubuntu related (could be Kubuntu, Edubuntu, etc. and it could be any variety of things)
[07:31] <LaserJock> just document it
[07:32] <LaserJock> fowlduck: but did you diff the two debian/ dirs?
[07:32] <fowlduck> yeah
[07:32] <fowlduck> and the changes were the ones I wanted
[07:33] <ryanakca> LaserJock: kk, ty :)
[07:33] <LaserJock> fowlduck: ok, so then what did you do?
[07:35] <fowlduck> I did diff -Naur debian/ /home/nate/debian/
[07:35] <fowlduck> I probably misunderstood you
[07:37] <LaserJock> ok, and that had the changes you want, right?
[07:37] <fowlduck> yep
[07:40] <kgoetz> hi bddebian :)
[07:40] <bddebian> Hello kgoetz
[07:40] <Arbiter> can you review agave? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2755
[07:40] <kgoetz> oh, i'm still kgoetz ? ;O
[07:41] <Arbiter> (aka colorscheme... thanks to it's upstream author i need to re-do the new package process... :/)
[07:42] <fowlduck> LaserJock, well, should I just start over??
[07:43] <bddebian> fowlduck: Me too :-)
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[07:44] <Arbiter> when's the new Community Council?
[07:44] <fowlduck> well, I feel bad pestering everyone about all this packaging junk, I'd love for there to be someone I could go to to ask these sorts of questions, training me to package
[07:44] <bddebian> Aye, we all do :-)
[07:44] <LaserJock> fowlduck: don't worry, your'e doing fine
[07:45] <Arbiter> s/new/next
[07:45] <LaserJock> fowlduck: you'll feel better once you go through some of the School sessions
[07:45] <LaserJock> fowlduck: but this channel largly exists for this sort of thing
[07:45] <fowlduck> LaserJock, yeah, and I wish I could go this tuesday, it looks to be a nice one
[07:46] <LaserJock> fowlduck: ok, can you paste the debdiff somewhere for me?
[07:46] <fowlduck> LaserJock, sure
[07:46] <LaserJock> doh, not debdiff, just the diff of the 2 debain/
[07:46] <fowlduck> yeah
[07:46] <LaserJock> debian/
[07:48] <fowlduck> LaserJock, http://pastebin.ca/94954
[07:50] <fowlduck> LaserJock, that's the output from:  diff -Naur debian/ /home/nate/debian/
[07:50] <LaserJock> fowlduck: ok, so run debuild -S -sa in the current source
[07:50] <LaserJock> and make sure it is non-native
[07:51] <fowlduck> ok, without any changes to debian/ run it?
[07:51] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:52] <fowlduck> ok, there is a diff.gz
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the correct format for diff? is that Nau it? (i'm just doing 2 files)
[07:53] <LaserJock> sure
[07:53] <LaserJock> I think the key thing is to make a unified diff (I think that's the u part)
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. lucky - i had a u, just wasnt sure about anything else :)
[07:55] <fowlduck> LaserJock, here is the output from what I just did, it might help you to get a feel for it: http://pastebin.ca/94958
[07:56] <fowlduck> it seems like everything functions normally until I put in my changed files...
[07:56] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[07:57] <fowlduck> wait a second, I think I goofed, I left in the source directory the file I redirected the diff into
[07:58] <fowlduck> let me redo that without that file
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, the vim package source has "How to configure your quilt" in /debian/, would that be of intrest for the package guide?
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> *understand
[07:59] <fowlduck> LaserJock, works now
[08:00] <LaserJock> fowlduck: what works?
[08:01] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: sure, can you email it to me at mantha AT ubuntu.com?
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure
[08:01] <LaserJock> thanks
[08:02] <fowlduck> LaserJock, taking out the debdiff out of the directory with an unchanged debian/ directory.  I accidentally left something in the source directory and we got that diff file, well I redid it all without that file and same results.  It's still broken though...
[08:02] <LaserJock> ok
[08:02] <LaserJock> well I'm wondering if you versioning is a problem
[08:02] <fowlduck> just left m diff file from the two directories in there
[08:02] <fowlduck> ?
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, sent
[08:03] <LaserJock> fowlduck: the problem starts when you went from 1.00 to 1.0.0 for the upstream version
[08:04] <fowlduck> LaserJock, ahhhhhhhh
[08:04] <LaserJock> rename the .orig.tar.gz
[08:04] <fowlduck> it says this in ajmitch's post though: For Ubuntu, version should be 1.0.0-0ubuntu1, with distribution edgy in debian/changelog
[08:04] <LaserJock> yes
[08:05] <fowlduck> should it be 1.00-0ubuntu1?
[08:05] <LaserJock> no
[08:06] <fowlduck> oh, rename the orig.tar.gz to mac-robber_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz?
[08:06] <LaserJock> yep
[08:06] <fowlduck> okie
[08:06] <fowlduck> then try it out?
[08:06] <LaserJock> it works
[08:06] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:07] <LaserJock> ok kids, the lesson for today is: Make sure that the versioning of the .orig.tar.gz matches the upstream version in debian/control so dpkg-buildpackage can find it
[08:08] <bddebian> LaserJock: Thank you teacher :-)
[08:09] <Arbiter> :D
[08:09] <LaserJock> ghemical 2.0 is  in edgy! wahoo!
[08:10] <LaserJock> bddebian: your doing Python Policy stuff?
[08:10] <bddebian> I'm freaking trying :-(
[08:10] <fowlduck> yayayayayay!!!
[08:10] <fowlduck> LaserJock, thanks sooooooooooo much
[08:10] <LaserJock> fowlduck: well, I should have spotted that sooner
[08:11] <Spec> you're updating the policy to include what to do with egg files?
[08:11] <fowlduck> LaserJock, a well-learned lesson, sensei
[08:11] <LaserJock> but the change is so slight that it made it hard to spot
[08:11] <Spec> or are those to remain a mystery? :)
[08:11] <fowlduck> just one .
[08:11] <Arbiter> LaserJock, how long it takes a package approved in REVU to become part of universe?
[08:11] <fowlduck> LaserJock, now you can approve it! ;)
[08:11] <LaserJock> Arbiter: depends on how fast the NEW queue is being proccessed
[08:12] <Arbiter> where can i see the NEW queue?
[08:12] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure if you can
[08:12] <Arbiter> oh slomo has updated mono packages
[08:12] <fowlduck> good news too people, foremost 1.2 is in edgy!
[08:13] <LaserJock> bddebian: ok, so what kind of python package is it?
[08:13] <fowlduck> ewww, the mac-robber manpage needs to be fixed a bit
[08:13] <bddebian> LaserJock: hamlib
[08:13] <LaserJock> so it's a python lib?
[08:13] <bddebian> Need it for gpredict
[08:13] <Arbiter> LaserJock, :(
[08:13] <ryanakca> anybody feel like taking a look at my package as well? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2759
[08:13] <Arbiter> LaserJock, can you see the NEW queue? :D
[08:13] <bddebian> LaserJock: No, it has a python-hamlib binary
[08:14] <LaserJock> ryanakca: did you start from the Debian package?
[08:14] <LaserJock> Arbiter: not that I'm aware of
[08:15] <Arbiter> aw
[08:15] <Arbiter> np then :)
[08:15] <LaserJock> Arbiter: it can take a few days depending on how bus the archive admins are
[08:15] <Arbiter> i'll wait for my package being in edgy
[08:15] <LaserJock> busy
[08:17] <LaserJock> Arbiter: can you see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue ?
[08:17] <Arbiter> yep
[08:17] <LaserJock> that's the NEW queue ;-)
[08:17] <Arbiter> well
[08:17] <Arbiter> :)
[08:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: See the love I get :-)
[08:18] <Arbiter>  colorscheme [Source]    	0.3.91-0ubuntu1  	Release  	2006-07-20 11:05:07 CEST  	
[08:18] <Arbiter> found :D
[08:18] <Arbiter> 29th
[08:20] <Arbiter> https://launchpad.net/+builds/floe ahahaha i can see the buildservers status too
[08:20] <Arbiter> coooool
[08:21] <LaserJock> yep, LP can be a wonderful thing
[08:21] <LaserJock> you just have to know all the +*
[08:21] <Arbiter> vernadsky (i386)
[08:21] <Arbiter> Current status
[08:21] <Arbiter> vernadsky (i386) is idle.
[08:21] <Arbiter> coooool
[08:25] <LaserJock> ok guys, I have time to do quick run through revus if you give me URLs
[08:26] <Arbiter> LaserJock, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2755
[08:26] <Arbiter> agave
[08:26] <Arbiter> it's colorscheme renamed to agave
[08:26] <LaserJock> heh, odd
[08:26] <Arbiter> (thanks to the upstream author :P )
[08:27] <fowlduck> hmm, how do you get < and > in sgml to not be recognized?
[08:27] <LaserJock> is it the same upstream version or is it new source too?
[08:27] <Arbiter> updated source
[08:27] <Arbiter> with patch
[08:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> fowlduck, "not recognised"?
[08:27] <LaserJock> &gt; and &lt; ?
[08:27] <fowlduck> Kamping_Kaiser, as in, escape them
[08:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh,them :$ beat me again lj
[08:27] <fowlduck> LaserJock, ahh, of course
[08:27] <LaserJock> that's what it is in docbook anyway
[08:28] <Arbiter> LaserJock, i have to go
[08:28] <Arbiter> i'll have a look at comments tomorrow ;)
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think its a fairly universal w3c way of doing things
[08:28] <LaserJock> Arbiter: well, if I find anything on a quick run through I'll add a comment
[08:28] <Arbiter> LaserJock, thanks :)
[08:29] <Arbiter> bye
[08:39] <ryanakca> LaserJock: from the Ubuntu one, yes
[08:39] <LaserJock> ahhh, stink. I missed a meeting yesterday
[08:40] <crimsun> bddebian: ivtools turned out to be a stinkin' bashism
[08:40] <bddebian> crimsun: Really?  What was it?
[08:40] <ryanakca> LaserJock: well... actually... it's a mix of the ubuntu one and the new source...
[08:40] <crimsun> bddebian: when creating the shared libs' symlinks, pushd/popd were used
[08:40] <ryanakca> LaserJock: I didn't patch or anything... I just used the old debian/ files and the new source
[08:40] <bddebian> crimsun: Ahh
[08:41] <LaserJock> ryanakca: and it works ok?
[08:41] <ryanakca> LaserJock: yes :)
[08:41] <bddebian> crimsun: How's your python policy knowledge? :-)
[08:41] <crimsun> bddebian: short.
[08:42] <LaserJock> I recently went through it for python apps
[08:43] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure when it comes to extentions
[08:43] <bddebian> Well it built for me but I don't know how to check if I did it "right"
[08:44] <fowlduck> hmm, anyone know what the tag is for a requires argument in the sgml man-page?
[08:44] <fowlduck> s/requires/required/
 makes it optional
[08:44] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, the best thing I can say is to pass it to doko for a look-see
[08:44] <LaserJock> bddebian: he's pretty familiar with the python policy ;-)
[08:45] <bddebian> doko hasn't been answering my pings for two days even when he is in the channel :-(
[08:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:45] <LaserJock> I cornered him in #debian-python on OFTC the other day ;-)
[08:45] <ryanakca> LaserJock: anything wrong packaging wise?
[08:45] <LaserJock> must have caught him at a good time though
[08:45] <bddebian> "No body likes me, everybody hates me, I'm gonna eat some worms.." :-)
[08:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> bddebian, try vim bugs ;)-
[08:46] <coobra> bddebian: eat some for me to
[08:46] <bddebian> Yummy.. protein
[08:47] <coobra> nice :)
[08:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: Still have a list of science packages that need "work" ?
[08:48] <LaserJock> of course :-)
[08:48] <bddebian> URL?
[08:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, for bugs there is always https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+subscribedbugs
[08:49] <LaserJock> I'm generating a merge list real quick
[08:49] <bddebian> pfft, bugs schmugs :-)
[08:49] <bddebian> fowlduck: What's the issue?
[08:49] <fowlduck> can't figure out how to format the sgml so that an argument is required
[08:50] <fowlduck> or an easy way to test it, so I have to build the package entirely to test it
[08:51] <LaserJock> bddebian: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/merge.html is my merge list, the MoM link takes you to the REPORT file
[08:52] <LaserJock> some of them might not be in MoM if they are new enough
[08:52] <fowlduck> YES, it worked
[08:52] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh, I requested a sync for xcircuit btw
[08:52] <LaserJock> I saw that, thanks
[08:53] <bddebian> Hmm, panthera still hasn't done scilab4 yet eh?
[08:54] <LaserJock> ryanakca: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375136
[08:54] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 375136 in typespeed "Subject: typespeed: New upstream version available" [Wishlist,Open] 
[08:54] <ryanakca> LaserJock: and... do I sent it to debian as well or ???
[08:55] <LaserJock> ryanakca: well, its up to you. It is much easier for everybody if Debian updates their package
[08:55] <LaserJock> however, sometimes Debian doesn't really respond
[08:56] <ryanakca> hmmm.... and if we keep the one I made and just switched to the debian one whenever they update theirs?
[08:56] <bddebian> Aye, I sent an updated attal to Debian ages ago with no response :-(
[08:56] <bddebian> But we don't collaborate with Debian....
[08:56] <LaserJock> ryanakca: well, it is more work for us
[08:56] <tseng> the next person who says that is getting a hammer to the temple
[08:57] <LaserJock> ryanakca: that's why I don't like us just throwing in new upstream versions without considering debian
[08:57] <LaserJock> ryanakca: that bug is 28 days old
[08:57] <bddebian> tseng: ?
[08:57] <tseng> ubuntu-mono does as much work in Debian as it does in Ubuntu
[08:57] <LaserJock> ryanakca: did you need to adjust anything to get the package to work?
[08:57] <tseng> sick and tired of the whining
[08:57] <fowlduck> does this look right for a synopsis? mac-robber [-V]  DIRECTORIES...
[08:57] <bddebian> tseng: That was sarcasm man :-)
[08:57] <ryanakca> LaserJock: yes... Makefile... because of where ubuntu installs stuff...
[08:57] <LaserJock> ryanakca: like what?
[08:58] <tseng> bddebian: the Hammer does not care for context
[08:58] <bddebian> Doh :-(
[08:58] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:58] <ryanakca> LaserJock: and Debian messes around with the makefile in their version so sistpotty (methinks) said it was ok...
[08:58] <bddebian> Well then, I guess it's time for me to head home before I get smote with the hammer
[08:58] <ryanakca> LaserJock: I'll pastebin the diff between the two
[08:58] <bddebian> Later folks
[08:58] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[08:59] <tseng> if Debian is unresponsive you shouldnt hesitate to fix things in ubuntu cleanly if you can
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[08:59] <bddebian> tseng: Well it built for dapper, now I have issues in Edgy :-(
[08:59] <LaserJock> tseng: but figuring out what unresponsive is is the hard part
[08:59] <Nafallo> ...and then add a debdiff to the bug you properly opened, right? :-)
[08:59] <tseng> direct contact with the maintainer fails
[08:59] <highvoltage> hey LaserJock
[09:00] <LaserJock> tseng: ok, in this case there is a wishlist bug open for the new upstream release that is 28 days old, no comments
[09:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> just reading the packageing guide it says "if a debian package is changed in ubuntu" does that include direct imports, or is there no such thing?
[09:01] <ryanakca> LaserJock: diff betweet 0.4.4/Makefile, 0.5.1/Makefile (upstream one  (-orig)) and 0.5.1 (mine)...  http://pastebin.ca/95095
[09:01] <tseng> a direct import is not a change
[09:02] <azeem> ryanakca: unidiffs are easier to read
[09:02] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: a change would be to the source package, a sync doesn't change the source package
[09:02] <azeem> (IMHO)
[09:02] <LaserJock> +1
[09:03] <ryanakca> azeem: aptitude search unidiff  = nothin...
[09:03] <azeem> ryanakca: diff -u
[09:03] <ryanakca> ah
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, so if ubuntu synced in a package (1.2) from debian that /did/ have ubutnu chagnes (version 1.1) but 1.2 doesnt need changes - does that drop the ubuntuX from the end?
[09:03] <LaserJock> yep
[09:04] <LaserJock> that's a straight sync
[09:04] <LaserJock> if the Ubuntu changes are no longer needed
[09:04] <highvoltage> :(
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. :)
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks lj
[09:04] <LaserJock> highvoltage: what?
[09:04] <fowlduck> If one or the other of an argument are required by a command, how is it represented in the manpage?
[09:04] <ryanakca> azeem: LaserJock: unidiffs are here: http://pastebin.ca/95102
[09:05] <highvoltage> LaserJock: you ignore me
[09:05] <LaserJock> oh, sorry
[09:05] <highvoltage> :)
[09:05] <LaserJock> got lots going on
[09:05] <LaserJock> HELLO highvoltage!!!
[09:05] <highvoltage> ok, i understand
[09:05] <fowlduck> as in, either you put a -V or a Directory
[09:05] <highvoltage> LaserJock: that's more like it!
[09:05] <ryanakca> LaserJock: heres a number... oh, dear me... you got 234234..... poor you :)
[09:05] <ryanakca> oops... that was for highvoltage... lol
[09:06] <fowlduck> so, anyone know offhand?
[09:06] <highvoltage> lol
[09:06] <ryanakca> poor LaserJock as well... everybody hounding him...
[09:06] <crimsun> fowlduck: need more context.
[09:06] <tseng> fowlduck: at the top there is a command line example
[09:06] <highvoltage> it's not easy being a LaserJock of such... caliber
[09:07] <fowlduck> tseng, I'm curious about how to represent it in a manpage, I'm writing one
[09:07] <tseng> fowlduck: optional args will be in brackets
[09:07] <highvoltage> (sorry, pushing austin powers thing a bit too far there)
[09:07] <fowlduck> crimsun, with the mac-robber command you must either use the -V option alone, or a directory alone
[09:07] <LaserJock> highvoltage: hehe
[09:07] <fowlduck> crimsun, so either use mac-robber -V, or use mac-robber /path
[09:08] <crimsun> -V | Path, then
[09:08] <crimsun> as tseng alluded to, there are numerous examples in existing man pages
[09:08] <fowlduck> I've been trying to find one
[09:08] <fowlduck> sorry
[09:09] <crimsun> man 1 man
[09:09] <crimsun> note the use of the pipe as an OR operator
[09:10] <crimsun> (in the SYNOPSIS)
[09:11] <tseng> note that file in man 1 man isnt in brackets
[09:11] <tseng> its not optional
[09:11] <ryanakca> LaserJock: ok, other than makefile... other errors :)  ( if your too busy now, that's fine... I'll just bug you later :) )
[09:11] <fowlduck> mmkay
[09:13] <LaserJock> ryanakca: it seems ok to me. I guess I'd like to see you try to poke Debian once (pehaps with a patch for the new version or whatever) and then we can upload in Ubuntu if we get no response
[09:13] <ryanakca> kk... #ubuntu-dev ?
[09:15] <LaserJock> ryanakca: what about it?
[09:15] <ryanakca> I mean #debian-dev ??
[09:16] <ryanakca> nope... whats the debian devel chan?
[09:16] <LaserJock> ryanakca: just post a comment to that bug
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> when debianising a package the 'copyright' bit is the upstream authors copyright?
[09:16] <LaserJock> or email the maintainer directly
[09:16] <crimsun> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> might quit while i'm ahead and beat the sun up :|
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> @time Adelaide
[09:17] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Adelaide: July 22 2006, 04:47:37
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> later all. good luck and have fun :)
[09:18] <LaserJock> have a good sleep and dream of beautiful packages ;-)
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> *gone*
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:19] <fowlduck> I still don't know how to format this in sgml to get the desired output
[09:22] <ryanakca> LaserJock: found the debian maintainer on irc... ask them what? if they're going to take care of the bug or ???
[09:23] <LaserJock> ryanakca: if they are planning on updating to the new upstream and tell them what you've tested
[09:23] <LaserJock> and if you can do anything to help
[09:23] <ryanakca> kk
[09:27] <fowlduck> anyone know of any docs on docbook-to-man that include the available formats and their output?
[09:28] <LaserJock> I'm no help fowlduck, sorry.
[09:29] <fowlduck> LaserJock, it's ok, thanks :)
[09:30] <crimsun> http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/docbook2man.1.html
[09:32] <fowlduck> crimsun, I'm not seeing the formatting input and output in there, but thanks for looking
[09:37] <coobra> :|
[09:45] <crimsun> fowlduck: your question is imprecise. Please restate it.
[09:45] <fowlduck> crimsun, what sgml input produces what manpage output?
[09:49] <fowlduck> crimsun, http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/documentation/reference/html/cmdsynopsis.html
[09:50] <fowlduck> i gtg, thanks crimsun
[11:11] <Toadstool> g'night everybody
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vulniconef6.png  I suck at art
[12:05] <tseng> er
[12:05] <tseng> all i see there is a bunch of spam
[12:05] <tseng> way to go
[12:07] <micahcowan> looks good to me: what's it for?