=== redguy [n=mati@adj50.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089C912.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slackern [n=slackern@81cm72.cable.soderhamn-net.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01_ [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable024.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] hmm, who was packaging midisport-firmware again? [01:40] we need to modify this packaging [01:45] crimsun: do the buildds use dash as a shell? [01:50] Toadstool: yes. [01:50] 'cause there's a bashism in cdbs/python-distutils.mk... [01:51] fun, needs to be fixed :-) [01:51] bug 53563 [01:51] Malone bug 53563 in cdbs "[Edgy] Bashism in python-distutils.mk" [Low,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53563 [01:51] morning [01:51] hi ajmitch === ajmitch wishes people wouldn't try & ping me at 4AM on consecutive days & expect an answer [01:55] g'night everybody === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micah@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-139-168-227-97.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-227-78.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] Heya gang === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@c-24-13-21-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] hi bddebian === sladen pings ajmitch at 4am (local time) [02:38] sladen: there always has to be one.. [02:39] it's actually 01:39, so cheating by a couple of hours---not sure I was going to be awake much later === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GreyStar [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU [02:52] Heya LaserJock [02:54] heh, somtimes I'm amazed at how low tech science can be [02:54] I just got done measuring the width of a laser beam with a sewing needle and some foam :-) === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] hi [02:57] hello zul [02:57] hi andrew how goes it? [03:00] Heya zul [03:00] good, how are you? [03:00] hey bddebian [03:00] good === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === bddebian hugs ajmitch [03:05] crimsun: You around? [03:06] ok... [03:07] ajmitch: ? [03:12] I love packages that build-dep python, etc then use /foo/bar/python2.3 in rules [03:13] And I love talking to myself === Gazer [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] hmmm.. [03:34] if i could only seppl the world would be a happier place [03:37] seppl? [03:37] see === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] Is e17 in the repositories ? [03:41] Or is it e16.9 ? [03:41] which repositories are you talkinb about [03:45] Is anything happening about ebuntu ? [03:45] (for edgy ?) === bddebian bets #edubuntu would know ;-) [03:46] bddebian: ebuntu, not edubuntu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] Oh [03:46] ask the ebuntu person if you see him round [03:46] WTF is ebuntu? [03:46] Do you know his nick ? [03:46] bddebian: educational ubuntu [03:46] bddebian: google would tell you [03:46] or, no... [03:46] micahcowan: no, that's different [03:46] that's edubuntu, in'it? [03:46] aye [03:47] ebuntu is ubuntu with e-17 [03:47] Ah [03:47] (according to the spec) [03:47] it was never anything more than a bunch of checkinstall-created packages [03:47] h3sp4wn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Manishchakravarty [03:48] ajmitch: Oh sure, give him a URL and tell me to google, thanks honey :-) [03:48] bddebian: the *first* hit for ebuntu is the wiki page [03:49] ajmitch: That seems silly as in the e-17 cvs it already has debian/rules for most of the packages [03:49] doesnt mean the debian/rules is any good [03:49] It was done by the debian e-17 maintainers [03:49] dunno how good they are [03:50] Right I will e-mail the guy incharge of it [03:50] Thanks alot === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-139-168-227-97.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian starts xpubuntu with XPDE just for "fun" [03:52] What right now ? === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] morning all [04:01] barely morning === Hobbsee pokes her tongue out at ajmitch [04:02] hush, you! [04:04] Heya Hobbsee [04:04] hi bddebian [04:19] crimsun: around? [04:27] heh@ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372649 [04:27] Debian bug 372649 in ivtools "Subject: ivtools: FTBFS: dh_movefiles: debian/tmp/usr/lib/libIV.so.1 not found" [Serious,Open] === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp27-251.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] Ack what a crackful "fix" for ivtools in Debian === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-139-168-227-97.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=mindwarp@cpe-24-208-242-169.twmi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] bddebian: hi [05:34] Heya crimsun === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-139-168-227-97.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] bddebian: you pinged earlier? [05:35] crimsun: Yeah, I was hoping you could help me but I think I may head to bed.. [05:35] ok [05:35] crimsun: That ivtools "fix" in Debian is crack.. WTF? [05:38] heh [05:38] Read the last entry of the bug I pasted earlier if you get a sec :-) [05:39] yeah, read that yesterday === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] I need to figure out why none of the symlinks are being created properly [05:40] getting it to build is not a problem, but the libs are pretty nastly (read: useless) without the proper symlinks [05:40] nasty ^ [05:40] oh wait, I wonder if this is autoconf fsckage === nate__ [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=duck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] crimsun: Shouldn't it be fixed to not build in /usr/lib/X11R6 at all? === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] bddebian: I've done that locally [05:53] Ah [05:56] hi crimsun [05:56] hi ajmitch [05:57] hi [05:58] hey, i'm trying to use my gpg key on another computer, I transfered the .gnupg directory, set and exported the GPGKEY environment variable, started gpg-agent, what do I lack? [06:00] gpg? :-) [06:00] gnupg? === fowlduck thinks laser is messin with him [06:01] well, it's sort of an obvious problem, but that kind of thing happends [06:02] obvious to everyone? === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] bddebian: thanks for the MOTU Science work === fowlduck feels dumb :/ [06:02] fowlduck: Do you have gpg installed? [06:03] yep [06:03] LaserJock: NP. Now, where do I get one of those mentors anyway? :-) [06:03] fowlduck: no, what I was saying was it's the sort of thing where you go "doh" [06:03] not that I know what your problem is [06:03] LaserJock, so, what's the fix? [06:03] oh, heh [06:04] bddebian: hmm, I've never mentored a diety before, but it might be interesting ;-) [06:04] Gah, I really do wonder why I'm here some times.. :'-( [06:04] because you love us [06:05] bddebian: you're meant to be one of the mentors [06:05] ajmitch: Yeah right, like I could mentor anyone :-) [06:05] more so than I could [06:05] Oh BS [06:05] bddebian: you should [06:06] I can't even get my own questions answered, how would I mentor someone else? [06:06] it's not "teach them everything about packaging" mentoring === ajmitch wants f-spot synced from sid === Hobbsee sends ajmitch to LP. [06:06] ajmitch: So request it ;-) [06:06] it's in incoming, not in the pool [06:06] bddebian: you can tell them "I know how you feel" :-) [06:06] so I have to wait ~24 hours [06:06] ah [06:06] LaserJock: Ah, OK :-) [06:07] ajmitch: if you catch kamion/keybuk, they can sync from incoming [06:07] Anyway, I had better hit the hay. Gnight folks [06:07] crimsun: how useful, it's not quite that urgent though [06:07] just making it installable again on edgy & closing an RC bug in sid [06:07] I go to sign this package and I get this error: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use [06:08] fowlduck: and it doesn't work? [06:09] I don't use a gpg agent I don't think [06:09] nope [06:10] hmm, some time I should install f-spot, I've never seen it === fowlduck growls at gpg [06:14] ok, figured it out [06:14] don't just copy the directory over [06:14] use gpg --import /path/to/.gnupg/* [06:15] really? I've never had to do that [06:15] whatever works though [06:15] i dunno [06:15] it worked now though [06:17] so, who wants to sponsor a wonderfully wonderful package? [06:17] Hobbsee: do you do jabber? [06:17] LaserJock: yes [06:18] LaserJock: hobbsee@jabber.org [06:18] spam! [06:18] crimsun: bleh. yeah [06:18] I was looking it up on LP [06:19] I just wanted to know if you had it cause I'm collecting addresses [06:19] stalker... [06:19] yep [06:20] well the other night freenode went out for a while [06:20] so people were swapping jabber [06:20] so you had to check if you were still connected? ;) [06:20] I'm up to 18 people now === ajmitch hasn't counted how many he knows of [06:21] interestingly, only Ubuntu people [06:21] I have no life it seems [06:21] only a few, I think [06:21] hmm, i'm on jabber methinks, because of gmail [06:21] yes [06:21] yay [06:21] LaserJock: crimsun :) [06:22] LaserJock: just list it on your launchpad page [06:22] Hobbsee: I don't think my wife would approve of me stalking a nice young lady, besides, that's really creepy [06:22] LaserJock: [06:22] heh [06:23] ajmitch: hm? [06:23] LaserJock: launchpad has a place to list your JID [06:23] yeah, I put my there ages ago [06:23] s/my/mine/ [06:24] if we could get all of those for a team, like we can with gpg... [06:24] ohhh, nice idea [06:25] I noticed there was an #ubuntu room on the jabber network [06:26] hm, the rdf only has the gpg info [06:26] rdf? [06:26] yes [06:26] the magic crack that web 2.0 is sprinkled with [06:28] I still can't figure out web 1.0 [06:30] sooooooooooo, who wants to revu mac-robber? [06:31] don't all jump at once now [06:32] fowlduck: sorry fowlduck, I can't tonight [06:32] if you insist we don't [06:32] fowlduck: what's the url? [06:32] hehe, thanks LaserJock [06:32] I can at least glance at it [06:33] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2757 [06:33] it's tiny [06:33] crimsun, I completely understand :) [06:33] fowlduck: do you know how to set up a .htaccess file to password protect a webpage? [06:33] fowlduck, umm, not off-hand, no [06:33] err [06:34] yeah === theCore [n=alex@modemcable024.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] LaserJock, no, not off-hand, and I believe for security .htaccess is not the preferred method [06:35] darn, I was going to swap knowledge, oh well [06:35] http://www.javascriptkit.com/howto/htaccess3.shtml [06:36] LaserJock, htpasswd file would work [06:36] haha, you must have been googling the same places I was ;-) [06:36] hehe [06:37] well, you reviewers have your work cut out for ya [06:37] i was just looking through that page, that's a lot of packages [06:37] boy, that is small [06:37] yep [06:37] small forensics tool [06:37] well that diff is almost as large as the orig tarball [06:38] mainly because it includes things like the whole GPL, an uncut debian/rules done by dh_make, etc [06:38] ajmitch: you gonna comment? [06:38] please comment, I'd like to learn to package better [06:38] people don't like me reviewing too much :) [06:39] ajmitch, the harshest teachers teach the most [06:40] I should have some more fun packages tomorrow to bug you guys with. Something far larger [06:47] is it possible to offer an update to a package that seems to have been laid aside? === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-30.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] fowlduck: is the package in Debian? [06:49] good ? [06:49] fowlduck: I've added a comment [06:49] know an easy way to find outr? [06:50] ajmitch, i appreciate it, thanks [06:50] not comprehensive by any means [06:50] no 10-page report? i'm disappointed ;-) [06:51] fowlduck: he doesn't need 10 pages, trust me [06:52] hehe i know i know [06:52] should I go & get some caffeine & work late tonight? [06:53] ajmitch, you could rest, get up early, and work refreshed [06:53] nah [06:53] man [06:53] work [06:53] I can watch that shit all day [06:53] afternoon lifeless :) [06:54] LaserJock, the package that needs updating is in debian, how does that affect my proposed update of it? [06:55] well, I would probably try to see what's going on in Debian first then [06:55] ok, thx [06:59] another question, is every tool required to have a manpage? mac-robber doesn't come with one [07:00] if it goes in /usr/bin then probably [07:00] that's the fun part of packaging [07:02] LaserJock, see, I wasn't even sure if it went in /usr/bin, I just put it there because it seemed to fit [07:02] I'm guessing that's the place for the binary [07:04] wow, Foremost is at 0.69 in debian and ubuntu, the current release version is 1.2 with a release of 1.0 in between the two. Maybe they've just stopped updating it. Hopefully they're get it up to date :/ [07:05] you can always email the maitainer and politely ask (but check on the BTS first) [07:05] BTS? [07:06] I already politely emailed them, so oops? [07:06] bugs.debian.org Bug Tracking System [07:06] oh, ok, thanks [07:06] you could check to see if a bug was opened about getting the new version [07:07] ok, good night folks [07:07] oh, ok, great. If there isn't I suppose I could file one, but I'll wait on a reply [07:07] g'nite LaserJock, thanks as usual [07:07] np [07:14] g'nite people === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:15] hi all === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:19] welcome back Hobbsee [07:19] :) === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] do we actually use build-depends-indep? [07:41] ie. +Build-Depends-Indep: libqt3-mt-dev, kdelibs4-dev, perl [07:41] why wouldn't you use it? [07:42] ajmitch: i've never seen it used before, that's why i'm asking. === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] it is used quite often [07:43] cool, okay [07:44] eg I count 3106 packages with debhelper in B-D-I [07:45] right, okay === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1ADC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:07] good morning [09:10] morning Daniel === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-112-67.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] Mithrandir, ping [09:12] Arbiter: hi [09:12] hi [09:13] Mithrandir, yesterday you told me that buildd for x86 uses -march=i486 -mtune=pentium-4 if i remember correctly [09:13] no, I didn't, but it does, yes. [09:14] uhm... i was wondering... [09:14] why use -mtune=pentium-4? on non-pentium machines binaries are really sloooow [09:14] like, 486-es or something else? [09:15] i'm on an athlon-xp [09:15] k7 is optimised to do pentium binaries quite fast. [09:15] Mithrandir, i find my ubuntu slower than a slackware installation :P [09:15] if you come up with real numbers in a real benchmark, I'm sure we can look at having it changed, but we'd need numbers. [09:16] it's just impressions :D [09:17] well, such impressions are easily fooled. === ^ohoel [n=beshy@85.89.201.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] Mithrandir, hehehe [09:20] :D [09:20] Mithrandir, you're a -core-dev right? === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-89-10.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:21] yes [09:21] cool [09:21] Mithrandir, thank you for your work then :D [09:22] ubuntu is great ;) [09:23] thanks. :-) [09:23] ;) === pschulz01_ [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-112-67.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:44] morning motu world [09:45] hi [09:49] hey phanatic [09:49] :) [09:49] heya Arbiter [09:53] Mithrandir, maybe you know if edgy is going to have reiser4 support? [09:54] Arbiter: no idea, sorry. [09:54] ow [09:55] it would be a nice feature for edgy (imvho) [10:22] uhm... can I use .orig.tar.bz2? or only .orig.tar.gz is allowed/useable? === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:28] Arbiter, you can't use a bzip2. Must be a gzip. [10:29] heh [10:29] i _must_ modify the original tarball then [10:29] :p [10:29] (upstream provides only .bz2) [10:42] Arbiter, there's a special exception for that. You are allowed to bunzip2 it and gzip it. [10:42] well :) === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-104-250.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-30.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089FE3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089FE3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-206-255-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@114.162-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chantra [n=tman@fwlan.quetzal-network.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] hi there === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-30.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089FE3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] hi everybody === bjp [n=bart@82-170-236-40-static.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] hey Toadstool [12:58] heya phanatic [12:58] do you guys know how I could compile packages for x64 architecture? is there any build farm around? 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[03:49] !pbuilder [03:50] pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [03:50] wait, think I figured it out [03:50] sudo pbuilder update --distribution --override-config [03:51] fowlduck: that should do the trick [03:51] phanatic, looks like it's working. I built a package for dapper and put it on revu....oops! [03:51] be back in a bit [03:53] fowlduck: heh, i've done that with 2 packages, and tried to upload them :P [03:54] Why does Mepis goes from 3.4 to 6.0 is beyond me. === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] i think it might be mepis might be based off of us now [03:58] hey Gloubiboulga [03:58] hi Gloubiboulga [03:58] wb Gloubiboulga [03:58] Yay for nick completion :) [03:58] :D [03:59] hehe exactly [03:59] hello * [04:00] <_ion> <*> hello Gloubiboulga [04:00] sorry, I'm lazy today ;) [04:02] hi Gloubiboulga [04:02] Hello world ! [04:02] Gloubiboulga> must be the temparture causing that ;-) [04:03] bjp, yep :) [04:03] It's below 30 C here, finally :) === bjp congratulates BirthdayHobbsee === Gloubiboulga sings "happy birthday" to BirthdayHobbsee [04:07] hehe :) [04:07] BirthdayHobbsee: happy bday you old fart [04:07] hehe === BirthdayHobbsee is very old and decrepit [04:07] where's my walking stick? [04:07] BirthdayHobbsee: yay, happy birthsday :) [04:07] :) [04:07] -s [04:07] I got 23 yrs old on July 9th :) [04:09] :) [04:09] How old are you now Hobbsee ? [04:10] Cornellius: 18 [04:10] wow, grandma here [04:10] Good, now you're legal :) [04:10] lol [04:11] don't see too many 18-y/o women as cool as you BirthdayHobbsee, tbh === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-112-67.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] fowlduck: :) [04:11] fowlduck: most of them hate computers [04:11] yep (my wife included) [04:11] we got married when she was 18 :) [04:12] ouch? that's young! [04:12] i feel old now [04:12] H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y H O B B S E E !! [04:12] naw, it's fantastic, now she's 21 and I'm 23, things are goin great [04:12] hehe [04:12] thankyou ogra :) [04:13] :)) [04:13] fowlduck: That's good to hear [04:13] "things are goin grea" [04:14] :) [04:17] !debianpolicy [04:17] I know nothing about debianpolicy - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu [04:17] !debian policy [04:17] I know nothing about debian policy - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu [04:20] for section, I'm putting utils, should I put 'universe/utils', 'multiverse/utils', or just 'utils'? [04:21] just 'utils' [04:21] ok thx === h3sp4wn [n=samw@unaffiliated/h3sp4wn] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable024.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] where can the GPL text be found on ubuntu? [04:24] /usr/share/common-licenses [04:25] gnu.org [04:25] dholbach, thanks, appreciate it [04:25] everywhere :) [04:25] it's on the tshirt i wear today! :) [04:25] hi dholbach [04:25] haha [04:25] fowlduck: really :) [04:25] BirthdayHobbsee: you have birthday today?! [04:25] dholbach: yep :) [04:25] WOW!!! [04:25] happy birthday [04:26] dholbach: ajmitch and yagisan have seen proof of this :) [04:26] dholbach: thankyou :) [04:26] proof as in how? === redguy [n=mati@afe160.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] dholbach: DOB on licence [04:27] ah so you're getting drunk together now? [04:28] dholbach: nope, parents are asleep, and i'm sitting examining kdeartwokr (screensavers) at the moment. === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@167.246.8.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] BirthdayHobbsee, happy birthday :) [04:28] dholbach: as for why, i dont know - why am i looking to fix stuff in main, when i now have upload rights? [04:28] Arbiter: thankyou :) [04:28] BirthdayHobbsee, did you become a MOTU? [04:29] (this wed iirc)? [04:29] Arbiter: yep [04:29] BirthdayHobbsee, wow! [04:29] BirthdayHobbsee, congratulations :D [04:29] :D [04:31] BirthdayHobbsee: congrats for becoming a MOTU really ;) [04:31] BirthdayHobbsee, next step is -core-dev :D [04:31] phanatic: thankyou :) [04:31] Arbiter: yeah - i've already tried uploading one thing to main accidently :P [04:32] lol [04:32] me too :P [04:32] is there an easy program to use to create/edit manpages? [04:32] but i'm not motu or -core-dev :P [04:32] fowlduck: use the example of dh_make [04:32] fowlduck, manedit but uses gtk 1.2 afaik [04:33] <_ion> fowlduck: I usually use help2man to create the initial man page and then fix it manually. [04:33] dholbach, eh? [04:34] i think dh_make gives you an xml file example [04:34] doesnt it? [04:34] dholbach, oh, in the debian directory, yes, I just don't want to mess it up [04:35] hum [04:35] i can definitely see myself screwing it up good [04:36] it's easier to edit an xml file and then mangle it into a manpage in debian/rules === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] well, know any good programs to assist in editing XML files then? Anything to help my clumsiness [04:38] vim ;) [04:39] :) [04:39] or emacs [04:39] :P === Yagisan [n=jamie@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] what command do you run to reupload sources to typespeed? dput -f typespeed_0.5.1-1_source.changes === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] (this is after I fixed things according to the comments) [04:46] Heya gang [04:46] hey bddebian === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-112-67.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] ryanakca: ah, yeah, that shoudl wrok [04:47] Hello Gloubiboulga [04:47] G'day bddebian [04:47] ooh... happy birthday hobbsee [04:47] Hello Yagisan [04:47] BirthdayHobbsee: Congrats [04:48] ryanakca: Yagisan: :) [04:48] So if compiling from source requires me to throw special parameters at ./configure and to run something else before make what file do I change that dh_make creates? [04:49] FunnyLookinHat: Those should go in debian/rules [04:49] bddebian, sweet thanks [04:50] FunnyLookinHat: Is it a cdbs package or other? [04:50] bddebian, MythTV [04:50] Not using cdbs [04:50] FunnyLookinHat: OK, then just add them to the ./configure line [04:50] ok sounds good [04:51] hmm wait [04:51] I can see how to do the ./configure stuff in that file [04:51] but after I run that I have to run: qmake mythtv.pro [04:51] then make [04:52] OK [04:53] dholbach, under the refsynopsisdiv, what do the tags in the line: [04:53] mean? [04:53] those are the commandline options [04:53] re [04:53] try building the package [04:54] or try to generate the manpage from xml file [04:54] wb Toadstool [04:54] then you'll see how they show up [04:54] hey Toadstool, bddebian === bddebian hugs dholbach [04:54] heya bddebian, dholbach [04:54] dholbach, hmm, what's the tool for that? [04:54] fowlduck: apt-get source glom - i did it there [04:55] dholbach, forgive my ignorance, but how to I access the contents of the three files it downloads? [04:56] nvm [04:56] there is a directory [04:56] sorry [04:56] yeah [04:56] look at glom*/debian === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] debian/rules builds the manpage [04:59] dholbach, thanks [04:59] anytime === netzmeister [i=netzmeis@p549F8D8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] hmm, should see also be removed if there is nothing else to look at? === hub_ [n=hub@OTWAON23-1177993857.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub_ is now known as hub [05:13] howdy hub [05:25] hi all [05:28] Heya zakame [05:36] weird, lintian said edgy was a bad distribution [05:36] Not a bad, but not stable enough yet. [05:38] fowlduck: yeah, it's been doing that for a while. use linda instead. [05:38] Cornellius: bah. who needs stable anyway [05:38] :D [05:38] BirthdayHobbsee, yeah, debuild uses lintian though, unless there is a setting for that [05:38] fowlduck: true. didnt think debuild used either. [05:39] doesn't hurt it though, just runs before signing [05:39] true === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:48] Heya tritium [05:49] Hi bddebian [05:49] Happy Birthday, BirthdayHobbsee :) [05:50] hi tritium :) ty [05:51] hey! It was my birthday 2 days ago === bddebian feels so loved in -devel [05:51] bluefoxicy: Well Happy belated Birthday [05:51] happy belated, bluefoxicy [05:52] heh === bluefoxicy gives Hobbsee... um. A beer or something. [05:52] i'm 21 now, I can buy beer; I still can't drink it, it tastes like crap. [05:53] S.S. IPM (RAW) [05:53] bluefoxicy, i second that [05:53] heresy! [05:53] so, anyone up for reviewing a tiny little package? [05:54] if you do: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2757 [05:54] just fixed everything after ajmitch's decimation ;-) [05:54] oh God they finally caught up to me XD [05:54] did Knot 1 get released last night or something? [05:55] yeah, it's out [05:56] There's suddenly a ton of ... interesting conversation (and very bad jokes) floating in #techfurs [05:59] bluefoxicy: hehe thanks. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] can you search LP for a specific bug? [06:07] Kamping_Kaiser: sure. type in the bug number on teh front page [06:08] hm. *looks on front page* [06:08] bluefoxicy: 21 cheers for you :) [06:09] BirthdayHobbsee, in malone? [06:09] oh, here it is [06:09] Kamping_Kaiser: yep [06:09] :( its broken *hopes its unbroken soon* [06:10] yay my edgy CDs are here! [06:10] fair effort o_0 [06:12] um, what are the stickers for? === bluefoxicy got stickers with his 6.06 CDs === Kamping_Kaiser swears at vim. it can fkign work itself out [06:15] For sticking onto your laptop, or something, bluefoxicy :) [06:15] o_o they're huge [06:15] they arnt that big o_0 [06:16] My AMD sticker is like [ ] these are like ( | [06:16] bluefoxicy, they are advertising, not badging :) [06:16] brb [06:16] oh [06:17] also they're kind of... umm.. well I guess the shape is unimportant but o_o === Kamping_Kaiser declares bluefoxicy a fusspot [06:20] Morning MOTU people [06:20] hi LaserJock [06:20] BirthdayHobbsee: hmm, something seems different about you today :-) [06:20] LaserJock: hehe. yes, i'm needing a walking stick === BirthdayHobbsee is very tired. [06:21] Heya LaserJock [06:21] have you slept yet? It's pretty early (or late) there [06:21] hi bddebian [06:21] LaserJock: nope [06:21] hi LaserJock [06:21] @time sydney [06:21] Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 22 2006, 02:21:22 === BirthdayHobbsee pokes Seveas over weird bot names [06:21] yikes! I went to bed at 12:30 last night (had to watch Jay Leno) and I feel aweful this morning [06:22] heh === BirthdayHobbsee often goes to bed at 2am or so [06:22] apparently I'm neither a late night person nor an early morning person [06:22] no, its all Jay Lenos fault [06:22] BirthdayHobbsee: well, when I was young like you I used to do it all the time ;-) === BirthdayHobbsee is a late person [06:22] LaserJock: hehe [06:22] I'm a late nighter but certainly not an early morning one :-) [06:22] @time Albuquerque [06:22] anyone familar with quilt patch system? [06:22] tritium: hi! [06:22] damn! Hey, LaserJock [06:23] Kamping_Kaiser: no, but if you get familiar with it please let me know. I want to add a section on it for the Packaging Guide === ajmitch wonders why he's still awake hacking [06:23] ajmitch: SoC? [06:23] hey ajmitch [06:23] LaserJock, :( i wasnt after that answer [06:23] ajmitch: because you're crazy. now go to bed. i stole a merge from you, i think, btw. [06:23] LaserJock: sure, but at nearly 4:30AM? [06:23] hi tritium [06:24] BirthdayHobbsee: sigh === Kamping_Kaiser needs to read the guide himself [06:24] Kamping_Kaiser: best I can offer you from my feeble knowledge, "You can pave the way for futur generations of MOTU" [06:25] LaserJock, well, thanks :| when i'm familar with *any* sort of patching i'll let you know :P === ajmitch wonders if f-spot is out of incoming yet [06:26] Kamping_Kaiser: well maybe you just need to wait for the 25th. Our first MOTU School session will be on patching (given by pitti) [06:27] LaserJock, i asked him last night, he said he wasnt familar with it *lols* [06:27] but i will look at that date. where is ther emore info? the wiki? === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@125.212.122.231] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:27] Kamping_Kaiser: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School [06:27] thanks [06:27] yay, someone else to do that stuff [06:28] LaserJock: there's a school? /me needs to take classes... [06:28] LaserJock: yay :) [06:28] tritium: you need to teach some ;-) === BirthdayHobbsee would like to read a class on patching. === BirthdayHobbsee isnt terribly good at it. [06:28] we also have crimsun lined up to do a merging session [06:29] LaserJock: with the MoM, or without it? [06:29] LaserJock: lol, I would need more knowledge to be able to do that [06:29] BirthdayHobbsee should be teaching some [06:30] ajmitch: heh, rubbish [06:31] hm [06:31] I guess I should sleep [06:31] latest I've stayed up for awhile [06:32] BirthdayHobbsee: that's up to crimsun I suppose :-) [06:34] BirthdayHobbsee: ooh... class on patching... very usefull.. it confuses me to no end === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@195.22.207.161] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Focus on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h (MOTU bugs) and http://tinyurl.com/rjcqu (UNMETDEPS) and http://tinyurl.com/kbxpe (mysqlclient) | http://tinyurl.com/pghsw (motureviewers) | [Edgy MoM] https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 29 10:40:30 2006 === BirthdayHobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@80.68.89.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jmg [n=cartel@219.88.251.61] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@24.226.26.139] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@216.178.65.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@88.73.104.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dolson [n=dana@24.235.185.252] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@83.25.134.160] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@68.38.202.139] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh_away [n=nnnsherm@80.237.233.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === antinobody [n=sean@71.214.89.10] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CarlFK [n=carl@67.163.39.124] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BirthdayHobbsee doesnt think she's ever read doco on patching before === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@68.33.112.13] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] [02:34] LaserJock: true. keybuk was happy to help out with MoM stuff - it really does make it a lot easier === fowlduck [n=duck@198.150.12.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jojopaderes [n=jojo@203.177.225.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@80.137.254.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@167.246.8.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch sneaks off to sleep in the resulting netsplit chaos [06:35] fun fun fun === Cornellios [n=alain@142.217.38.112] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] ajmitch: hah === theCore [n=alex@70.83.137.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203.206.255.153] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kamping_Kaiser makes sure he has build-essential installed then tries to build vim [06:36] (Hawkwind/#ubuntu-motu) BirthdayHobbsee: Happy birthday! [06:36] Hawkwind: :) [06:36] Hope it's been a good one so far :) [06:36] all two and a half hours o fit :P === Hawkwind Wonders if birthday spankings are in order === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Focus on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h (MOTU bugs) and http://tinyurl.com/rjcqu (UNMETDEPS) and http://tinyurl.com/kbxpe (mysqlclient) | http://tinyurl.com/pghsw (motureviewers) | [Edgy MoM] https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 29 10:40:30 2006 === h3sp4wn [n=samw@unaffiliated/h3sp4wn] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@68.33.112.13] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netgrabber [i=geWIZoAG@host237-61.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind [n=SoS@cpe-24-167-43-76.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === edscho [n=schofiel@213.235.244.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fabo [i=Arme-X@dra38-2-82-233-106-22.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [n=tseng@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.166.123] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@81.0.188.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BlueT_ [n=BlueT@61-59-209-195.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@134.197.32.70] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xnix [n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seaLne [n=seaLne@194.153.168.77] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EdgyEft [n=seveas@nuts.okkernoot.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@69.60.114.104] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly [n=danielb@24.209.126.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=duck@198.150.12.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@167.246.8.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [n=nngazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === GreyStar [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === torkel [i=torkel@69-188.umenet.t3.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === snb [i=snb@unyew.silverninja.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kilian [i=kk@projects.verfaction.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === magnon [n=co@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chesty [n=chesty@unconcerned.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] wow, so what was that? [06:47] !netsplit [06:47] massive netsplits === ryanakca guesses that ubotu got lost :) [06:47] ubo [06:47] LaserJock, hey, feeling like takin a look at my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2757 [06:47] ah yeah === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:47] Seveas: where's ubotu? [06:47] there :P [06:48] heh === whiprush [i=aca91858@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] anybody feel like taking a look at my package as well? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2759 === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] hey sivang! === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nicolas [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === screeb [n=screeb@pons2.rez-rennes.supelec.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-116.3.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coyctecm [n=coy@a84-230-81-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === segfault [i=segfault@cerberus.softwarelivre.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === uniq [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] BirthdayHobbsee, no it wont :P [06:56] kgoetz: yes it will :P [06:57] hey hobbsee, as a motu you can review packages....riiiiiiiiiiiiiight? :D [06:57] :P [06:57] fowlduck: hehe. indeed, yes i can [06:57] i cant proove you wrong for another 10 minutes, but just you wait ;P [06:58] BirthdayHobbsee, well I have a birthday present for you!!! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2757 === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] fowlduck: heh. too tired for that. [06:58] rejected :| [06:58] ouch [06:59] BirthdayHobbsee, it's cool, I'm just a lil impatient, 's all === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] fowlduck: you've made it a native package - you need to be using an orig.tar.gz === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] BirthdayHobbsee, hum, what? :/ [07:01] fowlduck: packages (mostly) consist of a .dsc, a .diff.gz, and a .orig.tar.gz - you've only got a .tar.gz and a .dsc [07:02] hmm, I have the orig.tar.gz in the directory with the source === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] I used dput revu *_source.changes [07:02] is that right? [07:02] fowlduck: what's the full name of the .orig.tar.gz? [07:03] and the orig.tar.gz should be in the directory above teh source? [07:03] mac-robber_1.00.orig.tar.gz [07:03] yep [07:03] okay - and what's the source directory name? [07:03] http://pastebin.ca/94904 [07:04] hmm, let me ls -l === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p508013DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:04] fowlduck: hmmm... [07:04] BirthdayHobbsee, http://pastebin.ca/94906 [07:05] fowlduck: so it seems you managed to turn it into a native package [07:05] fowlduck: rm mac-robber-1.00.tar.gz mac-robber_1.0.0-0ubuntu1* && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -kyourkeyIDhere [07:05] LaserJock, I'm magical *poof* [07:05] LaserJock: yeah, i'm not sure why - maybe due to the extra .tar.gz there... [07:06] could be [07:06] it happens sometimes === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-1-176-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:06] LaserJock: when your done helping fowlduck... could you do me a favor and look threw http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2759 [07:06] BirthdayHobbsee: and you must not be lazy enough. s/dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot/debuild/ [07:07] LaserJock: yeah, that works too... [07:07] LaserJock: no, i'm not lazy at all... [07:07] BirthdayHobbsee, -A931AB1C is invalid, amd I not getting it? [07:07] cat sarah@sarah:~$ cat revubuild [07:07] #!/bin/bash [07:07] BirthdayHobbsee: how'd you make MOTU then ;-) [07:07] dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k98B2D4F0 [07:07] LaserJock: ^ [07:07] hehe [07:07] fowlduck: -k [07:07] oh, ok [07:07] LaserJock: i'm not lazy at all - i have a whole host of scripts in /usr/local/bin :P [07:08] BirthdayHobbsee: I'm too lazy to make scripts ;-) [07:08] lol [07:08] LaserJock: pft. [07:08] actually, I think bash scripting has to be one of God's gifts to humanity [07:08] come on vim, you should be ready about now :( === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1ADC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09] hi dholbach [07:09] weird [07:09] it didn't upload the orig [07:09] re [07:09] fowlduck: changes file likely didtn reference it. [07:10] pff... i need to re-upload my colorscheme package :/ [07:10] fowlduck: did you use -sa with dpkg-buildpackage [07:10] LaserJock, indeed I did [07:10] (upstream has changed application name from colorscheme to agave) === Arbiter grrrr [07:10] Arbiter: hah. bet that has to work it's way thru NEW too.... [07:11] BirthdayHobbsee, and of course it doesn't compile with gcc 4.1 :p [07:11] Arbiter: yeah, that's normal. [07:11] with kde, ti's the automake. [07:11] but i made a patch... :D [07:11] and seems to work [07:12] yay :) [07:12] Arbiter: please tell me it's a patch, and you didnt change the .orig.tar.gz [07:12] patch, real patch === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Focus on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h (MOTU bugs) and http://tinyurl.com/rjcqu (UNMETDEPS) and http://tinyurl.com/kbxpe (mysqlclient) | http://tinyurl.com/pghsw (motureviewers) | [Edgy MoM] https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 29 10:40:30 2006 === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:15] (fowlduck/#ubuntu-motu) where else could it possibly be specified to be native? [07:15] (fowlduck/#ubuntu-motu) so I can "unspecify" [07:15] (Arbiter/#ubuntu-motu) BirthdayHobbsee, wow [07:15] (Arbiter/#ubuntu-motu) 7pm here :D [07:15] (fowlduck/#ubuntu-motu) 12:15 PM here [07:16] LaserJock, any idea? [07:16] not-far-behind BirthdayHobbsee here ;) [07:16] fowlduck: if you dont get a .diff.gz, that means it's not native. [07:16] hehe [07:16] fowlduck: take out the - between the two words on the package, and the same of thename of the .orig.tar.gz? === Window 19 === Server: [0] === Screen: 0x8181ddc === Geometry Info: [24 27 0 3 3 3] === CO, LI are [79 87] === Current channel: #ubuntu-motu === Query User: === Prompt: === Second status line is OFF === Split line is ON triple is OFF === Logging is ON === Logfile is irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === Notification is OFF === Hold mode is OFF === Window level is NONE === Lastlog level is ALL === Notify level is ALL [07:17] fowlduck: was it working before? [07:17] or has it always been this way? [07:17] fowlduck: ie, macrobber etc [07:17] LaserJock: yeah, the last revision, i think [07:17] so something I changed changed it [07:18] BirthdayHobbsee: wow... 1:17PM here... [07:18] the first line in my changelog is: mac-robber (1.0.0-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low [07:18] is that correct? [07:19] yep [07:19] i just used "utils" for section in the control file, is that right? or should it be universe/utils [07:20] no [07:20] just utils [07:20] coool. the vim compile has an eplepsy section [07:21] wow. looks pretty badly stuffed actually [07:21] fowlduck: ok, this is what I'd do (not sure if it is the best way of doing it) [07:21] start over? :/ [07:21] fowlduck: I'd save the debian/ you've got somewhere about the source dir [07:22] then grab the previous source package that worked [07:22] ah, ok [07:22] diff the two debian/ dirs [07:22] to see that the only changes are the ones you want [07:23] then copy the changes and rebuild the source package === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:23] but I'd get rid of any extra cruft packages (i.e. the latest one) [07:23] just to make sure it doesn't get confused [07:24] yep, not sure how to diff directories though [07:24] diff -Naur [07:29] still no diff [07:30] i mean no diff file creating in debuild, if i understood you right [07:30] hmmm.... does contributing towards ubuntu-fr still count towards ubuntu membership? [07:31] sure [07:31] anything Ubuntu related (could be Kubuntu, Edubuntu, etc. and it could be any variety of things) [07:31] just document it [07:32] fowlduck: but did you diff the two debian/ dirs? [07:32] yeah [07:32] and the changes were the ones I wanted [07:33] LaserJock: kk, ty :) [07:33] fowlduck: ok, so then what did you do? === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] I did diff -Naur debian/ /home/nate/debian/ === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-116.3.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] I probably misunderstood you [07:37] ok, and that had the changes you want, right? [07:37] yep === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] hi bddebian :) [07:40] Hello kgoetz === kgoetz slaps source more [07:40] can you review agave? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2755 [07:40] oh, i'm still kgoetz ? ;O === kgoetz is now known as Kamping_Kaiser [07:41] (aka colorscheme... thanks to it's upstream author i need to re-do the new package process... :/) [07:42] LaserJock, well, should I just start over?? === fowlduck needs a mentor [07:43] fowlduck: Me too :-) [07:43] hehe [07:44] when's the new Community Council? [07:44] well, I feel bad pestering everyone about all this packaging junk, I'd love for there to be someone I could go to to ask these sorts of questions, training me to package [07:44] Aye, we all do :-) [07:44] fowlduck: don't worry, your'e doing fine [07:45] s/new/next [07:45] fowlduck: you'll feel better once you go through some of the School sessions [07:45] fowlduck: but this channel largly exists for this sort of thing [07:45] LaserJock, yeah, and I wish I could go this tuesday, it looks to be a nice one === Kamping_Kaiser needs to work out how to get a file on a usb hdd mounted as the root fs on the live cd - hten i can have persistant sesions, and try learing packagin on the go [07:46] fowlduck: ok, can you paste the debdiff somewhere for me? [07:46] LaserJock, sure [07:46] doh, not debdiff, just the diff of the 2 debain/ [07:46] yeah [07:46] debian/ [07:48] LaserJock, http://pastebin.ca/94954 [07:50] LaserJock, that's the output from: diff -Naur debian/ /home/nate/debian/ [07:50] fowlduck: ok, so run debuild -S -sa in the current source [07:50] and make sure it is non-native [07:51] ok, without any changes to debian/ run it? [07:51] yeah [07:52] ok, there is a diff.gz [07:53] whats the correct format for diff? is that Nau it? (i'm just doing 2 files) [07:53] sure === Kamping_Kaiser crosses fingers [07:53] I think the key thing is to make a unified diff (I think that's the u part) === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] ok. lucky - i had a u, just wasnt sure about anything else :) [07:55] LaserJock, here is the output from what I just did, it might help you to get a feel for it: http://pastebin.ca/94958 [07:56] it seems like everything functions normally until I put in my changed files... [07:56] hmm, ok [07:57] wait a second, I think I goofed, I left in the source directory the file I redirected the diff into [07:58] let me redo that without that file === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:59] LaserJock, the vim package source has "How to configure your quilt" in /debian/, would that be of intrest for the package guide? === Kamping_Kaiser just discovered it, now to try and udnerstnad [07:59] *understand [07:59] LaserJock, works now [08:00] fowlduck: what works? [08:01] Kamping_Kaiser: sure, can you email it to me at mantha AT ubuntu.com? [08:01] sure [08:01] thanks [08:02] LaserJock, taking out the debdiff out of the directory with an unchanged debian/ directory. I accidentally left something in the source directory and we got that diff file, well I redid it all without that file and same results. It's still broken though... [08:02] ok [08:02] well I'm wondering if you versioning is a problem [08:02] just left m diff file from the two directories in there [08:02] ? [08:02] LaserJock, sent === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:03] fowlduck: the problem starts when you went from 1.00 to 1.0.0 for the upstream version === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:04] LaserJock, ahhhhhhhh [08:04] rename the .orig.tar.gz [08:04] it says this in ajmitch's post though: For Ubuntu, version should be 1.0.0-0ubuntu1, with distribution edgy in debian/changelog [08:04] yes [08:05] should it be 1.00-0ubuntu1? [08:05] no === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ZuZuu [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-49-207.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:06] oh, rename the orig.tar.gz to mac-robber_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz? [08:06] yep [08:06] okie [08:06] then try it out? [08:06] it works [08:06] ;-) [08:07] ok kids, the lesson for today is: Make sure that the versioning of the .orig.tar.gz matches the upstream version in debian/control so dpkg-buildpackage can find it === hub [n=hub@OTWAON23-1177993857.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] LaserJock: Thank you teacher :-) === LaserJock does a little dance around the lab [08:09] :D [08:09] ghemical 2.0 is in edgy! wahoo! [08:10] bddebian: your doing Python Policy stuff? [08:10] I'm freaking trying :-( [08:10] yayayayayay!!! [08:10] LaserJock, thanks sooooooooooo much [08:10] fowlduck: well, I should have spotted that sooner [08:11] you're updating the policy to include what to do with egg files? [08:11] LaserJock, a well-learned lesson, sensei [08:11] but the change is so slight that it made it hard to spot [08:11] or are those to remain a mystery? :) [08:11] just one . [08:11] LaserJock, how long it takes a package approved in REVU to become part of universe? [08:11] LaserJock, now you can approve it! ;) [08:11] Arbiter: depends on how fast the NEW queue is being proccessed [08:12] where can i see the NEW queue? [08:12] hmm, I'm not sure if you can [08:12] oh slomo has updated mono packages [08:12] good news too people, foremost 1.2 is in edgy! [08:13] bddebian: ok, so what kind of python package is it? [08:13] ewww, the mac-robber manpage needs to be fixed a bit [08:13] LaserJock: hamlib [08:13] so it's a python lib? [08:13] Need it for gpredict [08:13] LaserJock, :( [08:13] anybody feel like taking a look at my package as well? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2759 [08:13] LaserJock, can you see the NEW queue? :D [08:13] LaserJock: No, it has a python-hamlib binary [08:14] ryanakca: did you start from the Debian package? [08:14] Arbiter: not that I'm aware of [08:15] aw [08:15] np then :) [08:15] Arbiter: it can take a few days depending on how bus the archive admins are [08:15] i'll wait for my package being in edgy [08:15] busy [08:17] Arbiter: can you see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue ? [08:17] yep [08:17] that's the NEW queue ;-) [08:17] well [08:17] :) [08:18] LaserJock: See the love I get :-) [08:18] colorscheme [Source] 0.3.91-0ubuntu1 Release 2006-07-20 11:05:07 CEST [08:18] found :D [08:18] 29th [08:20] https://launchpad.net/+builds/floe ahahaha i can see the buildservers status too [08:20] coooool [08:21] yep, LP can be a wonderful thing [08:21] you just have to know all the +* [08:21] vernadsky (i386) [08:21] Current status [08:21] vernadsky (i386) is idle. [08:21] coooool [08:25] ok guys, I have time to do quick run through revus if you give me URLs [08:26] LaserJock, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2755 [08:26] agave [08:26] it's colorscheme renamed to agave [08:26] heh, odd [08:26] (thanks to the upstream author :P ) [08:27] hmm, how do you get < and > in sgml to not be recognized? [08:27] is it the same upstream version or is it new source too? [08:27] updated source [08:27] with patch [08:27] fowlduck, "not recognised"? [08:27] > and < ? [08:27] Kamping_Kaiser, as in, escape them [08:27] yeh,them :$ beat me again lj [08:27] LaserJock, ahh, of course [08:27] that's what it is in docbook anyway [08:28] LaserJock, i have to go [08:28] i'll have a look at comments tomorrow ;) [08:28] i think its a fairly universal w3c way of doing things [08:28] Arbiter: well, if I find anything on a quick run through I'll add a comment [08:28] LaserJock, thanks :) [08:29] bye === geser [n=michael@dialin109187.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:39] LaserJock: from the Ubuntu one, yes [08:39] ahhh, stink. I missed a meeting yesterday [08:40] bddebian: ivtools turned out to be a stinkin' bashism [08:40] crimsun: Really? What was it? [08:40] LaserJock: well... actually... it's a mix of the ubuntu one and the new source... === bddebian still thinks it should be fixed "properly" :-) [08:40] bddebian: when creating the shared libs' symlinks, pushd/popd were used [08:40] LaserJock: I didn't patch or anything... I just used the old debian/ files and the new source [08:40] crimsun: Ahh [08:41] ryanakca: and it works ok? [08:41] LaserJock: yes :) [08:41] crimsun: How's your python policy knowledge? :-) [08:41] bddebian: short. === bddebian just can't get any love :'-( [08:42] I recently went through it for python apps [08:43] but I'm not sure when it comes to extentions [08:43] Well it built for me but I don't know how to check if I did it "right" [08:44] hmm, anyone know what the tag is for a requires argument in the sgml man-page? [08:44] s/requires/required/ === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] makes it optional [08:44] bddebian: well, the best thing I can say is to pass it to doko for a look-see [08:44] bddebian: he's pretty familiar with the python policy ;-) [08:45] doko hasn't been answering my pings for two days even when he is in the channel :-( [08:45] hmm [08:45] I cornered him in #debian-python on OFTC the other day ;-) [08:45] LaserJock: anything wrong packaging wise? [08:45] must have caught him at a good time though === coobra [i=coobra@adsl-70-224-58-98.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] "No body likes me, everybody hates me, I'm gonna eat some worms.." :-) [08:46] bddebian, try vim bugs ;)- [08:46] bddebian: eat some for me to [08:46] Yummy.. protein [08:47] nice :) [08:47] LaserJock: Still have a list of science packages that need "work" ? [08:48] of course :-) === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] URL? [08:48] bddebian: well, for bugs there is always https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+subscribedbugs === fowlduck might cry if this manpage isn't fixed [08:49] I'm generating a merge list real quick [08:49] pfft, bugs schmugs :-) [08:49] fowlduck: What's the issue? [08:49] can't figure out how to format the sgml so that an argument is required [08:50] or an easy way to test it, so I have to build the package entirely to test it [08:51] bddebian: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/merge.html is my merge list, the MoM link takes you to the REPORT file [08:52] some of them might not be in MoM if they are new enough === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] YES, it worked [08:52] LaserJock: Oh, I requested a sync for xcircuit btw [08:52] I saw that, thanks [08:53] Hmm, panthera still hasn't done scilab4 yet eh? [08:54] ryanakca: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375136 [08:54] Debian bug 375136 in typespeed "Subject: typespeed: New upstream version available" [Wishlist,Open] [08:54] LaserJock: and... do I sent it to debian as well or ??? [08:55] ryanakca: well, its up to you. It is much easier for everybody if Debian updates their package [08:55] however, sometimes Debian doesn't really respond [08:56] hmmm.... and if we keep the one I made and just switched to the debian one whenever they update theirs? [08:56] Aye, I sent an updated attal to Debian ages ago with no response :-( [08:56] But we don't collaborate with Debian.... [08:56] ryanakca: well, it is more work for us === bddebian hides [08:56] the next person who says that is getting a hammer to the temple [08:57] ryanakca: that's why I don't like us just throwing in new upstream versions without considering debian [08:57] ryanakca: that bug is 28 days old [08:57] tseng: ? [08:57] ubuntu-mono does as much work in Debian as it does in Ubuntu [08:57] ryanakca: did you need to adjust anything to get the package to work? [08:57] sick and tired of the whining [08:57] does this look right for a synopsis? mac-robber [-V] DIRECTORIES... [08:57] tseng: That was sarcasm man :-) [08:57] LaserJock: yes... Makefile... because of where ubuntu installs stuff... [08:57] ryanakca: like what? [08:58] bddebian: the Hammer does not care for context [08:58] Doh :-( [08:58] hehe === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] LaserJock: and Debian messes around with the makefile in their version so sistpotty (methinks) said it was ok... [08:58] Well then, I guess it's time for me to head home before I get smote with the hammer [08:58] LaserJock: I'll pastebin the diff between the two [08:58] Later folks [08:58] cya bddebian [08:59] if Debian is unresponsive you shouldnt hesitate to fix things in ubuntu cleanly if you can [08:59] later === highvoltage [n=jonathan@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] tseng: Well it built for dapper, now I have issues in Edgy :-( [08:59] tseng: but figuring out what unresponsive is is the hard part [08:59] ...and then add a debdiff to the bug you properly opened, right? :-) [08:59] direct contact with the maintainer fails [08:59] hey LaserJock [09:00] tseng: ok, in this case there is a wishlist bug open for the new upstream release that is 28 days old, no comments [09:01] just reading the packageing guide it says "if a debian package is changed in ubuntu" does that include direct imports, or is there no such thing? [09:01] LaserJock: diff betweet 0.4.4/Makefile, 0.5.1/Makefile (upstream one (-orig)) and 0.5.1 (mine)... http://pastebin.ca/95095 [09:01] a direct import is not a change === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-89-10.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:02] ryanakca: unidiffs are easier to read [09:02] Kamping_Kaiser: a change would be to the source package, a sync doesn't change the source package [09:02] (IMHO) [09:02] +1 [09:03] azeem: aptitude search unidiff = nothin... [09:03] ryanakca: diff -u [09:03] ah [09:03] ok, so if ubuntu synced in a package (1.2) from debian that /did/ have ubutnu chagnes (version 1.1) but 1.2 doesnt need changes - does that drop the ubuntuX from the end? [09:03] yep [09:04] that's a straight sync [09:04] if the Ubuntu changes are no longer needed [09:04] :( [09:04] cool. :) [09:04] thanks lj [09:04] highvoltage: what? [09:04] If one or the other of an argument are required by a command, how is it represented in the manpage? [09:04] azeem: LaserJock: unidiffs are here: http://pastebin.ca/95102 [09:05] LaserJock: you ignore me [09:05] oh, sorry [09:05] :) [09:05] got lots going on [09:05] HELLO highvoltage!!! [09:05] ok, i understand [09:05] as in, either you put a -V or a Directory [09:05] LaserJock: that's more like it! [09:05] LaserJock: heres a number... oh, dear me... you got 234234..... poor you :) [09:05] oops... that was for highvoltage... lol [09:06] so, anyone know offhand? [09:06] lol [09:06] poor LaserJock as well... everybody hounding him... [09:06] fowlduck: need more context. [09:06] fowlduck: at the top there is a command line example [09:06] it's not easy being a LaserJock of such... caliber [09:07] tseng, I'm curious about how to represent it in a manpage, I'm writing one [09:07] fowlduck: optional args will be in brackets [09:07] (sorry, pushing austin powers thing a bit too far there) [09:07] crimsun, with the mac-robber command you must either use the -V option alone, or a directory alone [09:07] highvoltage: hehe [09:07] crimsun, so either use mac-robber -V, or use mac-robber /path [09:08] -V | Path, then [09:08] as tseng alluded to, there are numerous examples in existing man pages [09:08] I've been trying to find one [09:08] sorry [09:09] man 1 man [09:09] note the use of the pipe as an OR operator [09:10] (in the SYNOPSIS) [09:11] note that file in man 1 man isnt in brackets [09:11] its not optional [09:11] LaserJock: ok, other than makefile... other errors :) ( if your too busy now, that's fine... I'll just bug you later :) ) [09:11] mmkay [09:13] ryanakca: it seems ok to me. I guess I'd like to see you try to poke Debian once (pehaps with a patch for the new version or whatever) and then we can upload in Ubuntu if we get no response [09:13] kk... #ubuntu-dev ? [09:15] ryanakca: what about it? [09:15] I mean #debian-dev ?? [09:16] nope... whats the debian devel chan? [09:16] ryanakca: just post a comment to that bug [09:16] when debianising a package the 'copyright' bit is the upstream authors copyright? [09:16] or email the maintainer directly [09:16] Kamping_Kaiser: yes [09:16] ty === carthik [i=fargon@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] might quit while i'm ahead and beat the sun up :| [09:17] @time Adelaide [09:17] Current time in Australia/Adelaide: July 22 2006, 04:47:37 [09:17] :S [09:18] later all. good luck and have fun :) [09:18] have a good sleep and dream of beautiful packages ;-) [09:18] *gone* [09:18] :) [09:19] I still don't know how to format this in sgml to get the desired output === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] LaserJock: found the debian maintainer on irc... ask them what? if they're going to take care of the bug or ??? 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