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pygiergh, damn, I am sleeping :P01:07
pygiokay, enjoy all01:07
pygiI go to sleep now :P01:07
HedgeMagenight night :)01:09
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mhz_RichEd: got my email?01:24
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mhzthx, bddebian 03:45
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sbalneavEvening all04:26
bddebianHeya sbalneav04:39
sbalneavHey there bddebian \04:39
sbalneavHow's things this evening?04:39
bddebianFair to midland thanks.  You?04:41
sbalneavSittin' by the dock of the bay :)04:42
sbalneavHackin' on LTSP :)04:43
bddebianNice04:43
mhzhacking on LTSP?04:46
mhzinteresting?04:46
mhzlooking better performance?04:46
sbalneavThats one of the things I'm looking at.04:47
sbalneavThe goal from LTSP's point of view is to merge our functionality in with Edubuntu's LTSP implementation, and convert over our development model to the MueKow model.04:48
sbalneavThen, help Fedora to get it included on their distro.04:48
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mhzhmm, sbalneav, sorry, I am not familiar with MueKow model05:09
sbalneavThat's what Edubuntu uses.05:09
sbalneavBuilding LTSP using the distro's own packages.05:09
mhzthat is 'muekow' ?05:10
mhznice05:10
BurgundaviaAmaranth: are there packages of willowng floating  around?05:26
AmaranthBurgundavia: sitting in NEW last i heard05:32
BurgundaviaAmaranth: ah, very nice05:32
mhzFor those interested...05:38
mhzhttp://www.eschoolnews.com/eti/2006/05/001414.php05:38
mhzhttp://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Setting_Up_a_Sugar_Development_Environment_on_Ubuntu_Linux05:39
mhzThat is OneLaptopPerChild05:39
mhzSugar05:39
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Burgundaviapygi: what are you hosting?09:18
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Napalm_Deathhi03:02
Napalm_Deathwhat is the default password in the livecd?03:02
Napalm_Deathmy niece was playing in tuxpaint03:03
Napalm_Deathand i dont know how it appear a screen  asking for login and pass03:04
Napalm_Deathjsgotangco ?03:04
jsgotangcoSCUUUMMMMM03:05
jsgotangco=)03:05
jsgotangcoit does?03:05
Napalm_Death:)03:05
jsgotangconot sure just try ubuntu03:05
Napalm_Deathit asks for the Linux user03:05
jsgotangcoubuntu03:06
Napalm_Deathi'll check03:06
jsgotangcosorry im not sure either. I *rarely* try the livecd03:07
bimberiNapalm_Death: iirc the account is 'ubuntu' with no password.  You can set one with 'sudo passwd ubuntu'03:09
Napalm_Deathahh03:10
Napalm_Deathit asks for the Linux password i thought the username was Linux03:10
Napalm_Deathanyway can't try now03:10
Napalm_Deaththanks03:10
Napalm_Deathbut03:10
Napalm_Deathiirc=?03:10
jsgotangcoif i recall correctly03:11
Napalm_Deathahh03:11
Napalm_Deathi'm in irc.ptnet.org03:12
Napalm_Deathbye03:12
bimberithanks for interpeting jsgotangco :)03:21
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mellehello, is it possible to play a .vob file (DVD) on Edubuntu?06:13
melleWeet iemand hier misschien welk programma ik nodig ben om een .vob file aftespelen? het is een sample file van een DVD06:19
Yagisanmelle: english here06:20
Yagisanmelle: and yes06:20
mellesorry wrong channel :)06:20
Yagisanhmm, I wonder06:20
Yagisan!restrictedformats06:20
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:20
Yagisanmelle: try the first link06:21
melleYagisan: Awsome thanks06:21
Yagisanno worries06:22
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melleSorry for the rejoining :) kinda new to linux and i keep switching terminals hehe.. well im done now.07:23
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Viper550Hello08:36
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Viper550Does anyone think that the default theme on Edubuntu 6.06 looks a bit ugly?08:37
cbx33hey Viper550 08:37
LaserJockno, it's the most beautiful thing ever ;-)08:37
Viper550o rly?08:37
cbx33What brings you to the edubuntu channel08:37
cbx33LaserJock, hiya dude08:37
Viper550I gathering suggestions for Edubuntu Edgy's default theme08:38
LaserJockcbx33: I'm guessing he wants to complain about our "professional" artwork ;-)08:38
Viper550It's only one part that brought the whole train down on Edubuntu Dapper08:38
Viper550The Wallpaper.08:38
LaserJockViper550: have you talked to the Edubuntu "Artist in Chief"?08:38
Viper550where is he?08:38
cbx33She08:38
cbx33is just sending an email out to the artwork list08:39
mhzhehhe, "ugly" is so subjective, unfrotunatelly. For many people I have showed Edubuntu, they like it. For others, red is not their favourite color and suggest the typical blue ;)08:39
Viper550The green wallpaper doesn't go good with the red and dark orange theme08:39
mhzindeed08:39
mhzmany here (me included) did not like the chalkboard idea08:40
Viper550That's what brought the whole train down, alone EdubuntuColors looks pretty nice08:40
LaserJockViper550: well, there's a story for that08:40
Viper550My idea was to change the chalkboard to be black08:40
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LaserJockViper550: the background was sprung on us sort of last minute. We had no choice08:40
Viper550Oh...08:40
mhzViper550: please do so08:41
Viper550I sent it to the ubuntu-art list already08:41
mhzLaserJock: plus... artwork in general for edubuntu was all  a mystery08:41
LaserJockViper550: our new head artist contributed a nice background that is also shipped with Edubuntu08:41
mhzI remember offering help, asking about it, poking a bit, etc....no ideas08:41
Viper550I know, the Homies one looks pretty nice08:42
LaserJockyeah, that's the one08:42
mhzya mon08:42
mhzthatz tha one08:42
Viper550But, I'm concerned about what they get out of the box AS DEFAULT08:42
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cbx33Viper550, well08:43
cbx33as we're in control of that this release, it gives us chance to really shine08:43
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LaserJockViper550: anyway, hopefully real soon the art team will hear from our Artist-in-Chief any you guys can hash out some good artwork for edgy08:43
cbx33AliasVegas has just sent a post to the list08:43
LaserJockah good08:43
Viper550I saw it just now08:43
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cbx33Hey LaserJock, have you used ogras script lately?08:44
LaserJockno, I haven't done *anything* put packaging support for the last 2 days08:44
cbx33for syncing?08:44
Viper550Higher-Education eh? Like something for High School?08:44
cbx33ok08:44
LaserJockthat and trying to figure out emacs08:44
cbx33Viper550, yes and university08:44
cbx33Viper550, I'm able to answer these questions because AliasVegas is my wife, incase you didn't know08:45
cbx33:p08:45
Viper550Yeah, maybe this higher education theme should aim towards Gen X08:45
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cbx33mhz, we do08:45
cbx33well I have one :p08:45
mhzAliasVegas is not an edubuntu member?08:45
cbx33yes she is08:46
Viper550Generation X likes pimping' out stuff, and if they can have a pre-pimped desktop that looks pretty cool...it would be the time of their life!08:46
LaserJockit's also in an educational setting so it probably can't be too wild08:46
cbx33LaserJock, too true08:46
mhzindeed08:47
cbx33we need a nice solid theme that sets the scene08:47
Viper550I know, maybe we should go for something simliar to what Ubuntu Edgy is going for08:47
Amaranthgeneration X is probably the parents of most people here08:47
cbx33with customised versions for younger and older users08:47
LaserJockAmaranth: lol08:47
LaserJocktrue08:47
Viper550Okay, so for icons, we ship maybe Tangerine or Human from Ubuntu08:48
Viper550NOT Tango Brown, it clashes even more with that green wallpaper08:48
mhzHedgeMage: it seems I have been in Edubuntu Handbook (former cookbook) team in LP, or you mean a diff ne?08:48
mhzone08:48
Amaranth"The generation following the post-World War II baby boom, especially people born in the United States and Canada from the early 1960s to the late 1970s."08:49
Viper550My definition of Generation X are teens in our modern life08:49
Viper550Or, maybe we should call them the MTV Generation, or the Web 2.0 Generation08:50
Amaranthso you're saying if you're a twentysomething you're generation x08:50
mhzoh, people using Xbox?08:50
Amaranthbut that's wrong08:50
Amaranthteenagers are generation y08:50
Viper550No, that changed in this whole interconnected landscape with messengers and blogs and all that!08:50
mhzViper550: just the Ubuntu generation :D08:51
Amaranthso you're saying bloggers stole their parents name?08:51
Amaranth:P08:51
Amaranthyou're not making any sense08:51
Viper550The Culture Wars08:51
Viper550Sorry for the non-sensical terms, I don't know which one to use08:52
Amaranth1982-2000 is Generation Y08:52
mhzHedgeMage: I am approved here -> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-handbook08:52
cbx33what's pre 1982? 08:52
mhzX08:52
Viper550I mean, the teenagers of today08:52
pygimhz: whats with that team?08:53
Viper550Never mind on the terms...08:53
Viper550Let's debate artwork style, not human generations!08:53
mhzpygi: iirc, HedgeMage or you asked me to join a team.. wasn't it it?08:53
Amaranthtechnically the MTV Generation would be the parents of teenagers around today too ;)08:54
pygimhz: right, and you are joined already :P08:54
cbx33I'll make a note of all this and send it to AliasVegas08:54
mhzpygi: oh, so someone joined me?08:54
Viper550Okay, the iGeneration08:54
mhzor the eGeneration?08:54
pygimhz: Mauricio Hernandez? :P08:55
mhzsip08:55
Viper550http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_generation08:55
AmaranthGoogle Generation08:55
pygilook at the team page :P08:55
mhzpygi: so I am confused... which team was I not listed in?08:55
pygimhz: none :P08:55
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mhzpygi: and where should get the SVN current version of what is already written?08:56
cbx33so Viper550 08:56
Viper550so what?08:57
cbx33cn I ask a favour of you08:57
Viper550what?08:57
Viper550make a theme?08:57
pygimhz: mail hedge about svn access08:57
mhzpygi: okis08:57
cbx33AliasVegas asked in the edubuntu meeting the other day for everyone who was interested, to send one line stating08:57
cbx33What they didn't like abotu the dapper themes08:57
cbx33and one line about what they would like to see in edgy08:57
pygimhz: :)08:57
Viper550Sent08:59
cbx33received08:59
cbx33she'll look at it in a few minutes08:59
Viper550Here was my comment for Dapper if anyone else wants to know: The Green Wallpaper, and the offering of Brown Icons along with the orange and red theme causes major clashing!09:00
Viper550And my Edgy idea: Something more consistent that actually goes together without clashing. 09:00
cbx33yes I agree09:00
cbx33I think that sticking to the redish colours is important09:00
cbx33because that is a known almost brand of edubuntu now09:00
Viper550Yeah, we keep the Yellow and Orange idea, but NO GREEN09:01
cbx33no, no green09:02
Viper550Good.09:02
Viper550OH yeah, hilarious comment: When I originally responded to the mailing list about Dapper's theme, I described it as like "Xmasubuntu"09:02
ogra_cbx33, before i jump into my van and drive across the country agian ... could you show lisa the three themes in the edubuntu artwork package ? she seems not aware that we have a university theme (at least the try of one) in dapper already09:02
cbx33heheh09:02
cbx33ogra_, I will it is probably my fault09:03
Viper550The 3 themes were: EdubuntuColors, the edubuntucolors GTK theme, Ubuntulooks metacity, and the Gartoon icons09:03
ogra_nope09:03
cbx33i showed her it on my machine a while back09:03
Viper550Then EdubuntuPlain, replacing Gartoon with TangoBrown09:03
ogra_the three themes were "default" , "young" and "plain"09:03
cbx33but I never got to show her the other one09:04
cbx33ogra_, please accept my apologies09:04
Viper550Not on Dapper09:04
ogra_sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork on a fresh install lets you select them ...09:04
cbx33I'm about to try and fix grasynco09:04
cbx33ogra_, have a safe journey09:04
ogra_cbx33, dont worry, its easy t oversee :)09:04
Viper550What are so different about them?09:04
cbx33ping HedgeMage 09:05
ogra_Viper550, btw, it would be nice if you could stop ranting about the theme in the artwork list ... i developed the gtk and windown colors on top of an orange wallpaper that was fitting perfectly, we had to include the chalkboard due to a management decision 09:05
Viper550Oh09:06
ogra_so there was no time to adjust the colors 09:06
Viper550So that's what happened09:06
ogra_(i agree with you btw)09:06
ogra_if we had had the choice, we'd have made the edubuntu young wallpaper from lisa the default 09:07
cbx33ogra_, I still cannot get rsyncer to work :S09:07
Viper550I think a shift back to full Yellow and Orange (or usage of a neutral wallpaper, like maybe a BLACKboard) would be better09:07
ogra_yes, i saw the mail, i tend to disagree that black/dark grey is good for a school wallpaper ... you will create depressive pupils :)09:08
cbx33ogra_, totally agree09:08
ogra_we shuld have something fresh and colorful ... i hope we're not bound to the chalkboard in edgy as well09:08
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cbx33ogra_, are we not making the final artowrk decisions this time round?09:09
ogra_but thats something we need to hear from mark about ... i'll talk to him in wiesbaden (if he comes)09:09
Amarantheveryone stop downloading knot-1 cds, i need mine :)09:09
ogra_cbx33, as i understood the artwork teams make the, but i need agreement frm mark first09:09
ogra_*them09:09
cbx33ogra_, http://pastebin.ca/9626409:09
ogra_Amaranth, bittorrent is a great invetion :P09:10
cbx33that is the script downloaded straight from people.ubuntu.09:10
Amaranthogra_: d'oh09:10
ogra_;)09:10
cbx33I'm just gonna modify it09:10
Amaranthi was 50% done and it had more time left than a full download normally takes09:10
cbx33to do alternative and desktop09:10
ogra_Amaranth, bte i'll be offline for some hours while driving, if you see Keybuk or infinity in -devel, poke them to process willowng in NEW09:11
Amaranthwill do09:11
Amaranthhave a nice trip09:11
ogra_heh ... 09:11
ogra_moving if you dont like to is never pleasant :) 09:11
Amaranthin 4 days i spent 30 hours in a car last weekend09:11
Viper550brb09:12
ogra_(even though i like the new house ... i'd be happy not having to do the moving :P )09:12
Amaranthwhy do you have to move?09:12
cbx33ogra_, http://pastebin.ca/96270 - updated09:13
ogra_my GF's mother died in march ... we inherited a huuuuge house with a beautiful garden and tons of nifty tech gadgets09:13
cbx33neither desktop nor live nor nothing works09:13
Amaranthsomething in the will about having to live in it or you lose it?09:13
ogra_desktop must be in the folder daily-live09:13
cbx33or is it because the desktop cd is broken09:14
ogra_alternative must be named alterate09:14
cbx33ah ok09:14
cbx33alternate?09:14
cbx33or alterate?09:14
ogra_alternate ... look in the folders on cdimage ;)09:14
cbx33ok09:15
HedgeMageback now09:16
cbx33ok I'll send you a patch09:16
HedgeMagemhz: you're already on the right one, don't worry about it09:16
HedgeMagehi cbx33 you were looking for me?09:16
cbx33HedgeMage, you know the dclassical music question I asked you about09:16
ogra_rsync rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage lets you browse the rsync server btw09:16
cbx33ahhh thanks ogra_ 09:16
cbx33HedgeMage, that 5th symphony is the bit the little girl plays...dum dum dadum, dum dum dadum09:17
cbx33but not the actual opening theme to the film, or so my mum, who is trying to find the track says09:17
cbx33:p09:17
HedgeMagecbx33: ahh I thought what the little girl plays was what you were talking about09:18
HedgeMagecbx33: dangit now I'm going to have to get bethoven from netflix :P09:19
cbx33no :p09:19
mhzHedgeMage: k09:19
cbx33hehe09:21
HedgeMageoh well, at least TT likes it IIRC :)09:21
Viper550back09:22
Viper550I'm going to work on a new theme09:27
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cbx33w00t it's working09:48
cbx33:D09:48
mhzAnyone here using SchoolTool and/or CanDo ?09:52
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HedgeMagecbx33: what's working?10:38
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cbx33HedgeMage, the rsyncer.sh script :D11:07
cbx33now I can update grasynco tomorrow11:08
HedgeMagecbx33: cool :)11:08
cbx33yup11:09
mellehm i just typed ctrl+S in my terminal (wrong window) looked like he saved my terminl does anyone know where i can find that save?11:10
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DanielCHello. I've been out of the loop for a while. The last two weeks have been crazy.11:39
pygiHey DanielC11:39
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DanielCEnd of school is a busy time for us.11:40
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SouthronI'm trying to install Edubuntu 6.06 from CD-R onto an HP Pavillion 6636. It boots from the CD and begins the installation, getting through all the language steps, but then complains that it can't find the CD-ROM drive (even thought it obviously has been using it up to that point). Any ideas?11:44
SouthronThe step is titled "Detect and mount CD-ROM."11:44
melleSouthron: im sorry i cant help you but if you wont get some help here because they are bussy you could go to #ubnutu edubuntu is based on ubunutu and i think they can also help you.11:48
SouthronThanks -- I'll try there, too.11:48
mhzAnyone here using SchoolTool and/or CanDo ?11:49
pygi[21:52]  <mhz> Anyone here using SchoolTool and/or CanDo ?11:51
pygi:P11:51
mhzyeah11:51
pygi[23:50]  <mhz> Anyone here using SchoolTool and/or CanDo ?11:52
pygi:P11:52
pygisorry, havent really used it11:52
mhzone the real pending things we have is testing schooltool11:54
mhzmost people dont even know we have it11:54
DanielCI'm not even sure what it is.11:55
mhzalso, iirc, we used to  ship moodel11:55
mhzmoodle11:55
DanielCI've heard of it often though.11:55
mhzit is a very cool tool for schools11:55
DanielC:)11:55
mhzyou can manage courses, students, teachers, timetables11:55
DanielCI think it's for administration (scheduling classes?)11:55
mhzclassrooms11:55
DanielCah11:55
DanielCOk, at least I have an idea now.11:56
LaserJockDanielC: what format is the OO.o starter guide in?11:56
mhzyeah, and CanDo is supposed to keep track of students learning11:56
DanielCLaserJock: OpenDocument format.11:56
DanielCLaserJock: Translation to HTML is possible with modest data loss (e.g. it'd be one big page).11:57
LaserJockDanielC: hmm, that's a bit sticky then for the dependecies11:57
LaserJockI would think you would want OO.o as a dep11:57
LaserJockbut I see your point11:57
DanielCyeah...11:58
DanielCI see both sides of the argument.11:58
DanielCI'm happy to add OOo as a dependency.11:58
DanielCI just wanted to raise that point.11:58
mhzDanielC: CanDo -> http://www.careercenter.arlington.k12.va.us/cando/use_cando_main.htm11:59
DanielC*click*11:59
mhzand SchoolTool -> http://www.schooltool.org/12:00
DanielC*click*12:00
mhz;)12:00
DanielCmhz: Is SchoolTool approaching 1.0 ?12:01
DanielCMy employer keeps asking when it'll be ready.12:01
=== DanielC doesn't know much about SchoolTool except that his boss wants it done yesterday ;)
mhzafaik, SchoolTool 2006 alpha212:02
DanielCOk, so it's still a while.12:02
pygiDanielC: lol :P12:02
mhzhowever, this looks pretty cool12:02
mhzhttp://www.schooltool.org/st-products/schooltool-2006/schooltool-2006-alpha212:02
DanielC*click*12:02
DanielCWhat's it written on? Is it server-side/web-based?12:03
mhziirc, Zope12:04
mhzand a Zope DB engine12:05
DanielCok12:05
mhzwhich?12:05
mhzno idea12:05
mhzI am just an end-user12:05
mhz;)12:05
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