[01:07] <pygi> tickles*
[01:07] <pygi> ergh, damn, I am sleeping :P
[01:07] <pygi> okay, enjoy all
[01:07] <pygi> I go to sleep now :P
[01:09] <HedgeMage> night night :)
[01:24] <mhz_> RichEd: got my email?
[03:27] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:40] <mhz> re
[03:44] <bddebian> wb mhz
[03:45] <mhz> thx, bddebian 
[04:26] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:39] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[04:39] <sbalneav> Hey there bddebian \
[04:39] <sbalneav> How's things this evening?
[04:41] <bddebian> Fair to midland thanks.  You?
[04:42] <sbalneav> Sittin' by the dock of the bay :)
[04:43] <sbalneav> Hackin' on LTSP :)
[04:43] <bddebian> Nice
[04:46] <mhz> hacking on LTSP?
[04:46] <mhz> interesting?
[04:46] <mhz> looking better performance?
[04:47] <sbalneav> Thats one of the things I'm looking at.
[04:48] <sbalneav> The goal from LTSP's point of view is to merge our functionality in with Edubuntu's LTSP implementation, and convert over our development model to the MueKow model.
[04:48] <sbalneav> Then, help Fedora to get it included on their distro.
[05:09] <mhz> hmm, sbalneav, sorry, I am not familiar with MueKow model
[05:09] <sbalneav> That's what Edubuntu uses.
[05:09] <sbalneav> Building LTSP using the distro's own packages.
[05:10] <mhz> that is 'muekow' ?
[05:10] <mhz> nice
[05:26] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: are there packages of willowng floating  around?
[05:32] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: sitting in NEW last i heard
[05:32] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: ah, very nice
[05:38] <mhz> For those interested...
[05:38] <mhz> http://www.eschoolnews.com/eti/2006/05/001414.php
[05:39] <mhz> http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Setting_Up_a_Sugar_Development_Environment_on_Ubuntu_Linux
[05:39] <mhz> That is OneLaptopPerChild
[05:39] <mhz> Sugar
[06:11] <vertozia999> helllo
[09:18] <Burgundavia> pygi: what are you hosting?
[03:02] <Napalm_Death> hi
[03:02] <Napalm_Death> what is the default password in the livecd?
[03:03] <Napalm_Death> my niece was playing in tuxpaint
[03:04] <Napalm_Death> and i dont know how it appear a screen  asking for login and pass
[03:04] <Napalm_Death> jsgotangco ?
[03:05] <jsgotangco> SCUUUMMMMM
[03:05] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:05] <jsgotangco> it does?
[03:05] <Napalm_Death> :)
[03:05] <jsgotangco> not sure just try ubuntu
[03:05] <Napalm_Death> it asks for the Linux user
[03:06] <jsgotangco> ubuntu
[03:06] <Napalm_Death> i'll check
[03:07] <jsgotangco> sorry im not sure either. I *rarely* try the livecd
[03:09] <bimberi> Napalm_Death: iirc the account is 'ubuntu' with no password.  You can set one with 'sudo passwd ubuntu'
[03:10] <Napalm_Death> ahh
[03:10] <Napalm_Death> it asks for the Linux password i thought the username was Linux
[03:10] <Napalm_Death> anyway can't try now
[03:10] <Napalm_Death> thanks
[03:10] <Napalm_Death> but
[03:10] <Napalm_Death> iirc=?
[03:11] <jsgotangco> if i recall correctly
[03:11] <Napalm_Death> ahh
[03:12] <Napalm_Death> i'm in irc.ptnet.org
[03:12] <Napalm_Death> bye
[03:21] <bimberi> thanks for interpeting jsgotangco :)
[04:56] <bddebian> Hello
[06:13] <melle> hello, is it possible to play a .vob file (DVD) on Edubuntu?
[06:19] <melle> Weet iemand hier misschien welk programma ik nodig ben om een .vob file aftespelen? het is een sample file van een DVD
[06:20] <Yagisan> melle: english here
[06:20] <Yagisan> melle: and yes
[06:20] <melle> sorry wrong channel :)
[06:20] <Yagisan> hmm, I wonder
[06:20] <Yagisan> !restrictedformats
[06:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:21] <Yagisan> melle: try the first link
[06:21] <melle> Yagisan: Awsome thanks
[06:22] <Yagisan> no worries
[07:23] <melle> Sorry for the rejoining :) kinda new to linux and i keep switching terminals hehe.. well im done now.
[08:36] <Viper550> Hello
[08:37] <Viper550> Does anyone think that the default theme on Edubuntu 6.06 looks a bit ugly?
[08:37] <cbx33> hey Viper550 
[08:37] <LaserJock> no, it's the most beautiful thing ever ;-)
[08:37] <Viper550> o rly?
[08:37] <cbx33> What brings you to the edubuntu channel
[08:37] <cbx33> LaserJock, hiya dude
[08:38] <Viper550> I gathering suggestions for Edubuntu Edgy's default theme
[08:38] <LaserJock> cbx33: I'm guessing he wants to complain about our "professional" artwork ;-)
[08:38] <Viper550> It's only one part that brought the whole train down on Edubuntu Dapper
[08:38] <Viper550> The Wallpaper.
[08:38] <LaserJock> Viper550: have you talked to the Edubuntu "Artist in Chief"?
[08:38] <Viper550> where is he?
[08:38] <cbx33> She
[08:39] <cbx33> is just sending an email out to the artwork list
[08:39] <mhz> hehhe, "ugly" is so subjective, unfrotunatelly. For many people I have showed Edubuntu, they like it. For others, red is not their favourite color and suggest the typical blue ;)
[08:39] <Viper550> The green wallpaper doesn't go good with the red and dark orange theme
[08:39] <mhz> indeed
[08:40] <mhz> many here (me included) did not like the chalkboard idea
[08:40] <Viper550> That's what brought the whole train down, alone EdubuntuColors looks pretty nice
[08:40] <LaserJock> Viper550: well, there's a story for that
[08:40] <Viper550> My idea was to change the chalkboard to be black
[08:40] <LaserJock> Viper550: the background was sprung on us sort of last minute. We had no choice
[08:40] <Viper550> Oh...
[08:41] <mhz> Viper550: please do so
[08:41] <Viper550> I sent it to the ubuntu-art list already
[08:41] <mhz> LaserJock: plus... artwork in general for edubuntu was all  a mystery
[08:41] <LaserJock> Viper550: our new head artist contributed a nice background that is also shipped with Edubuntu
[08:41] <mhz> I remember offering help, asking about it, poking a bit, etc....no ideas
[08:42] <Viper550> I know, the Homies one looks pretty nice
[08:42] <LaserJock> yeah, that's the one
[08:42] <mhz> ya mon
[08:42] <mhz> thatz tha one
[08:42] <Viper550> But, I'm concerned about what they get out of the box AS DEFAULT
[08:43] <cbx33> Viper550, well
[08:43] <cbx33> as we're in control of that this release, it gives us chance to really shine
[08:43] <LaserJock> Viper550: anyway, hopefully real soon the art team will hear from our Artist-in-Chief any you guys can hash out some good artwork for edgy
[08:43] <cbx33> AliasVegas has just sent a post to the list
[08:43] <LaserJock> ah good
[08:43] <Viper550> I saw it just now
[08:44] <cbx33> Hey LaserJock, have you used ogras script lately?
[08:44] <LaserJock> no, I haven't done *anything* put packaging support for the last 2 days
[08:44] <cbx33> for syncing?
[08:44] <Viper550> Higher-Education eh? Like something for High School?
[08:44] <cbx33> ok
[08:44] <LaserJock> that and trying to figure out emacs
[08:44] <cbx33> Viper550, yes and university
[08:45] <cbx33> Viper550, I'm able to answer these questions because AliasVegas is my wife, incase you didn't know
[08:45] <cbx33> :p
[08:45] <Viper550> Yeah, maybe this higher education theme should aim towards Gen X
[08:45] <cbx33> mhz, we do
[08:45] <cbx33> well I have one :p
[08:45] <mhz> AliasVegas is not an edubuntu member?
[08:46] <cbx33> yes she is
[08:46] <Viper550> Generation X likes pimping' out stuff, and if they can have a pre-pimped desktop that looks pretty cool...it would be the time of their life!
[08:46] <LaserJock> it's also in an educational setting so it probably can't be too wild
[08:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, too true
[08:47] <mhz> indeed
[08:47] <cbx33> we need a nice solid theme that sets the scene
[08:47] <Viper550> I know, maybe we should go for something simliar to what Ubuntu Edgy is going for
[08:47] <Amaranth> generation X is probably the parents of most people here
[08:47] <cbx33> with customised versions for younger and older users
[08:47] <LaserJock> Amaranth: lol
[08:47] <LaserJock> true
[08:48] <Viper550> Okay, so for icons, we ship maybe Tangerine or Human from Ubuntu
[08:48] <Viper550> NOT Tango Brown, it clashes even more with that green wallpaper
[08:48] <mhz> HedgeMage: it seems I have been in Edubuntu Handbook (former cookbook) team in LP, or you mean a diff ne?
[08:48] <mhz> one
[08:49] <Amaranth> "The generation following the post-World War II baby boom, especially people born in the United States and Canada from the early 1960s to the late 1970s."
[08:49] <Viper550> My definition of Generation X are teens in our modern life
[08:50] <Viper550> Or, maybe we should call them the MTV Generation, or the Web 2.0 Generation
[08:50] <Amaranth> so you're saying if you're a twentysomething you're generation x
[08:50] <mhz> oh, people using Xbox?
[08:50] <Amaranth> but that's wrong
[08:50] <Amaranth> teenagers are generation y
[08:50] <Viper550> No, that changed in this whole interconnected landscape with messengers and blogs and all that!
[08:51] <mhz> Viper550: just the Ubuntu generation :D
[08:51] <Amaranth> so you're saying bloggers stole their parents name?
[08:51] <Amaranth> :P
[08:51] <Amaranth> you're not making any sense
[08:51] <Viper550> The Culture Wars
[08:52] <Viper550> Sorry for the non-sensical terms, I don't know which one to use
[08:52] <Amaranth> 1982-2000 is Generation Y
[08:52] <mhz> HedgeMage: I am approved here -> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-handbook
[08:52] <cbx33> what's pre 1982? 
[08:52] <mhz> X
[08:52] <Viper550> I mean, the teenagers of today
[08:53] <pygi> mhz: whats with that team?
[08:53] <Viper550> Never mind on the terms...
[08:53] <Viper550> Let's debate artwork style, not human generations!
[08:53] <mhz> pygi: iirc, HedgeMage or you asked me to join a team.. wasn't it it?
[08:54] <Amaranth> technically the MTV Generation would be the parents of teenagers around today too ;)
[08:54] <pygi> mhz: right, and you are joined already :P
[08:54] <cbx33> I'll make a note of all this and send it to AliasVegas
[08:54] <mhz> pygi: oh, so someone joined me?
[08:54] <Viper550> Okay, the iGeneration
[08:54] <mhz> or the eGeneration?
[08:55] <pygi> mhz: Mauricio Hernandez? :P
[08:55] <mhz> sip
[08:55] <Viper550> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_generation
[08:55] <Amaranth> Google Generation
[08:55] <pygi> look at the team page :P
[08:55] <mhz> pygi: so I am confused... which team was I not listed in?
[08:55] <pygi> mhz: none :P
[08:56] <mhz> pygi: and where should get the SVN current version of what is already written?
[08:56] <cbx33> so Viper550 
[08:57] <Viper550> so what?
[08:57] <cbx33> cn I ask a favour of you
[08:57] <Viper550> what?
[08:57] <Viper550> make a theme?
[08:57] <pygi> mhz: mail hedge about svn access
[08:57] <mhz> pygi: okis
[08:57] <cbx33> AliasVegas asked in the edubuntu meeting the other day for everyone who was interested, to send one line stating
[08:57] <cbx33> What they didn't like abotu the dapper themes
[08:57] <cbx33> and one line about what they would like to see in edgy
[08:57] <pygi> mhz: :)
[08:59] <Viper550> Sent
[08:59] <cbx33> received
[08:59] <cbx33> she'll look at it in a few minutes
[09:00] <Viper550> Here was my comment for Dapper if anyone else wants to know: The Green Wallpaper, and the offering of Brown Icons along with the orange and red theme causes major clashing!
[09:00] <Viper550> And my Edgy idea: Something more consistent that actually goes together without clashing. 
[09:00] <cbx33> yes I agree
[09:00] <cbx33> I think that sticking to the redish colours is important
[09:00] <cbx33> because that is a known almost brand of edubuntu now
[09:01] <Viper550> Yeah, we keep the Yellow and Orange idea, but NO GREEN
[09:02] <cbx33> no, no green
[09:02] <Viper550> Good.
[09:02] <Viper550> OH yeah, hilarious comment: When I originally responded to the mailing list about Dapper's theme, I described it as like "Xmasubuntu"
[09:02] <ogra_> cbx33, before i jump into my van and drive across the country agian ... could you show lisa the three themes in the edubuntu artwork package ? she seems not aware that we have a university theme (at least the try of one) in dapper already
[09:02] <cbx33> heheh
[09:03] <cbx33> ogra_, I will it is probably my fault
[09:03] <Viper550> The 3 themes were: EdubuntuColors, the edubuntucolors GTK theme, Ubuntulooks metacity, and the Gartoon icons
[09:03] <ogra_> nope
[09:03] <cbx33> i showed her it on my machine a while back
[09:03] <Viper550> Then EdubuntuPlain, replacing Gartoon with TangoBrown
[09:03] <ogra_> the three themes were "default" , "young" and "plain"
[09:04] <cbx33> but I never got to show her the other one
[09:04] <cbx33> ogra_, please accept my apologies
[09:04] <Viper550> Not on Dapper
[09:04] <ogra_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork on a fresh install lets you select them ...
[09:04] <cbx33> I'm about to try and fix grasynco
[09:04] <cbx33> ogra_, have a safe journey
[09:04] <ogra_> cbx33, dont worry, its easy t oversee :)
[09:04] <Viper550> What are so different about them?
[09:05] <cbx33> ping HedgeMage 
[09:05] <ogra_> Viper550, btw, it would be nice if you could stop ranting about the theme in the artwork list ... i developed the gtk and windown colors on top of an orange wallpaper that was fitting perfectly, we had to include the chalkboard due to a management decision 
[09:06] <Viper550> Oh
[09:06] <ogra_> so there was no time to adjust the colors 
[09:06] <Viper550> So that's what happened
[09:06] <ogra_> (i agree with you btw)
[09:07] <ogra_> if we had had the choice, we'd have made the edubuntu young wallpaper from lisa the default 
[09:07] <cbx33> ogra_, I still cannot get rsyncer to work :S
[09:07] <Viper550> I think a shift back to full Yellow and Orange (or usage of a neutral wallpaper, like maybe a BLACKboard) would be better
[09:08] <ogra_> yes, i saw the mail, i tend to disagree that black/dark grey is good for a school wallpaper ... you will create depressive pupils :)
[09:08] <cbx33> ogra_, totally agree
[09:08] <ogra_> we shuld have something fresh and colorful ... i hope we're not bound to the chalkboard in edgy as well
[09:09] <cbx33> ogra_, are we not making the final artowrk decisions this time round?
[09:09] <ogra_> but thats something we need to hear from mark about ... i'll talk to him in wiesbaden (if he comes)
[09:09] <Amaranth> everyone stop downloading knot-1 cds, i need mine :)
[09:09] <ogra_> cbx33, as i understood the artwork teams make the, but i need agreement frm mark first
[09:09] <ogra_> *them
[09:09] <cbx33> ogra_, http://pastebin.ca/96264
[09:10] <ogra_> Amaranth, bittorrent is a great invetion :P
[09:10] <cbx33> that is the script downloaded straight from people.ubuntu.
[09:10] <Amaranth> ogra_: d'oh
[09:10] <ogra_> ;)
[09:10] <cbx33> I'm just gonna modify it
[09:10] <Amaranth> i was 50% done and it had more time left than a full download normally takes
[09:10] <cbx33> to do alternative and desktop
[09:11] <ogra_> Amaranth, bte i'll be offline for some hours while driving, if you see Keybuk or infinity in -devel, poke them to process willowng in NEW
[09:11] <Amaranth> will do
[09:11] <Amaranth> have a nice trip
[09:11] <ogra_> heh ... 
[09:11] <ogra_> moving if you dont like to is never pleasant :) 
[09:11] <Amaranth> in 4 days i spent 30 hours in a car last weekend
[09:12] <Viper550> brb
[09:12] <ogra_> (even though i like the new house ... i'd be happy not having to do the moving :P )
[09:12] <Amaranth> why do you have to move?
[09:13] <cbx33> ogra_, http://pastebin.ca/96270 - updated
[09:13] <ogra_> my GF's mother died in march ... we inherited a huuuuge house with a beautiful garden and tons of nifty tech gadgets
[09:13] <cbx33> neither desktop nor live nor nothing works
[09:13] <Amaranth> something in the will about having to live in it or you lose it?
[09:13] <ogra_> desktop must be in the folder daily-live
[09:14] <cbx33> or is it because the desktop cd is broken
[09:14] <ogra_> alternative must be named alterate
[09:14] <cbx33> ah ok
[09:14] <cbx33> alternate?
[09:14] <cbx33> or alterate?
[09:14] <ogra_> alternate ... look in the folders on cdimage ;)
[09:15] <cbx33> ok
[09:16] <HedgeMage> back now
[09:16] <cbx33> ok I'll send you a patch
[09:16] <HedgeMage> mhz: you're already on the right one, don't worry about it
[09:16] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 you were looking for me?
[09:16] <cbx33> HedgeMage, you know the dclassical music question I asked you about
[09:16] <ogra_> rsync rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage lets you browse the rsync server btw
[09:16] <cbx33> ahhh thanks ogra_ 
[09:17] <cbx33> HedgeMage, that 5th symphony is the bit the little girl plays...dum dum dadum, dum dum dadum
[09:17] <cbx33> but not the actual opening theme to the film, or so my mum, who is trying to find the track says
[09:17] <cbx33> :p
[09:18] <HedgeMage> cbx33: ahh I thought what the little girl plays was what you were talking about
[09:19] <HedgeMage> cbx33: dangit now I'm going to have to get bethoven from netflix :P
[09:19] <cbx33> no :p
[09:19] <mhz> HedgeMage: k
[09:21] <cbx33> hehe
[09:21] <HedgeMage> oh well, at least TT likes it IIRC :)
[09:22] <Viper550> back
[09:27] <Viper550> I'm going to work on a new theme
[09:48] <cbx33> w00t it's working
[09:48] <cbx33> :D
[09:52] <mhz> Anyone here using SchoolTool and/or CanDo ?
[10:38] <HedgeMage> cbx33: what's working?
[11:07] <cbx33> HedgeMage, the rsyncer.sh script :D
[11:08] <cbx33> now I can update grasynco tomorrow
[11:08] <HedgeMage> cbx33: cool :)
[11:09] <cbx33> yup
[11:10] <melle> hm i just typed ctrl+S in my terminal (wrong window) looked like he saved my terminl does anyone know where i can find that save?
[11:39] <DanielC> Hello. I've been out of the loop for a while. The last two weeks have been crazy.
[11:39] <pygi> Hey DanielC
[11:40] <DanielC> End of school is a busy time for us.
[11:44] <Southron> I'm trying to install Edubuntu 6.06 from CD-R onto an HP Pavillion 6636. It boots from the CD and begins the installation, getting through all the language steps, but then complains that it can't find the CD-ROM drive (even thought it obviously has been using it up to that point). Any ideas?
[11:44] <Southron> The step is titled "Detect and mount CD-ROM."
[11:48] <melle> Southron: im sorry i cant help you but if you wont get some help here because they are bussy you could go to #ubnutu edubuntu is based on ubunutu and i think they can also help you.
[11:48] <Southron> Thanks -- I'll try there, too.
[11:49] <mhz> Anyone here using SchoolTool and/or CanDo ?
[11:51] <pygi> [21:52]  <mhz> Anyone here using SchoolTool and/or CanDo ?
[11:51] <pygi> :P
[11:51] <mhz> yeah
[11:52] <pygi> [23:50]  <mhz> Anyone here using SchoolTool and/or CanDo ?
[11:52] <pygi> :P
[11:52] <pygi> sorry, havent really used it
[11:54] <mhz> one the real pending things we have is testing schooltool
[11:54] <mhz> most people dont even know we have it
[11:55] <DanielC> I'm not even sure what it is.
[11:55] <mhz> also, iirc, we used to  ship moodel
[11:55] <mhz> moodle
[11:55] <DanielC> I've heard of it often though.
[11:55] <mhz> it is a very cool tool for schools
[11:55] <DanielC> :)
[11:55] <mhz> you can manage courses, students, teachers, timetables
[11:55] <DanielC> I think it's for administration (scheduling classes?)
[11:55] <mhz> classrooms
[11:55] <DanielC> ah
[11:56] <DanielC> Ok, at least I have an idea now.
[11:56] <LaserJock> DanielC: what format is the OO.o starter guide in?
[11:56] <mhz> yeah, and CanDo is supposed to keep track of students learning
[11:56] <DanielC> LaserJock: OpenDocument format.
[11:57] <DanielC> LaserJock: Translation to HTML is possible with modest data loss (e.g. it'd be one big page).
[11:57] <LaserJock> DanielC: hmm, that's a bit sticky then for the dependecies
[11:57] <LaserJock> I would think you would want OO.o as a dep
[11:57] <LaserJock> but I see your point
[11:58] <DanielC> yeah...
[11:58] <DanielC> I see both sides of the argument.
[11:58] <DanielC> I'm happy to add OOo as a dependency.
[11:58] <DanielC> I just wanted to raise that point.
[11:59] <mhz> DanielC: CanDo -> http://www.careercenter.arlington.k12.va.us/cando/use_cando_main.htm
[11:59] <DanielC> *click*
[12:00] <mhz> and SchoolTool -> http://www.schooltool.org/
[12:00] <DanielC> *click*
[12:00] <mhz> ;)
[12:01] <DanielC> mhz: Is SchoolTool approaching 1.0 ?
[12:01] <DanielC> My employer keeps asking when it'll be ready.
[12:02] <mhz> afaik, SchoolTool 2006 alpha2
[12:02] <DanielC> Ok, so it's still a while.
[12:02] <pygi> DanielC: lol :P
[12:02] <mhz> however, this looks pretty cool
[12:02] <mhz> http://www.schooltool.org/st-products/schooltool-2006/schooltool-2006-alpha2
[12:02] <DanielC> *click*
[12:03] <DanielC> What's it written on? Is it server-side/web-based?
[12:04] <mhz> iirc, Zope
[12:05] <mhz> and a Zope DB engine
[12:05] <DanielC> ok
[12:05] <mhz> which?
[12:05] <mhz> no idea
[12:05] <mhz> I am just an end-user
[12:05] <mhz> ;)