| Tonio_ | you see what it does now ? | 12:09 |
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| Tonio_ | central click allows to up and down in the page | 12:09 |
| toma | yep | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that with very long pages, it is really slow | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | on firefox the speed is proportionnal the same way but max speed is by far better | 12:09 |
| toma | isnt that limited to your computer? | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | toma I do't think so | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | try with firefox and you'll see the difference | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | I'd like to have that enabled in kubuntu, but it would be better to increase the max speed in some way | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | opera does the same, but max speed is really better too | 12:10 |
| toma | ok, let me have a look | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | I tested on many machines with konq, the speed it always limited :) | 12:10 |
| toma | give me a few minutes | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | toma: fantastic, thanks :) | 12:10 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: let's become the "kde "ultimate settings team" ;) | 12:11 |
| toma | haha ;-) | 12:11 |
| toma | setting is called MouseMiddleClickClosesTab | 12:13 |
| toma | hmm, no ;-) that is another feature appearantly | 12:16 |
| toma | OpenMiddleClick is the one | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | toma: okay | 12:22 |
| Tonio_ | I was packaging, so I didn't check what was the konqerorrc entry :) | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I'm affraid the speed is hardcoded........ | 12:23 |
| toma | it is not in kdebase/konqueror in any case | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | toma: hum ? | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | would it be kdelibs ? | 12:23 |
| toma | i think in kdelibs | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | that's strange since it is an konqueror only function | 12:24 |
| toma | still searching | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | thanks :) | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | packages are ready, waiting for Riddell's opinion and I'll upload | 12:24 |
| toma | eeks: http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2006/07/new-blood.html | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | I don't disagree his opinion | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | the point is kde translations are REALLY better than gnome ones | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | so rosetta can be very usefull for gnome, but I already have seen phrases that have been changed in dapper, and in the bad way | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | since the original kde translation was better | 12:28 |
| toma | Tonio_: i agree to that as well. It is a usefull tool for ubuntu as a distribution, it just does not hold for kde. | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | but on the other way, I don't think involving anonymous users to contribute is a bad thing | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | so many people don't even have an idea of how to contribute | 12:29 |
| toma | i'll bring it up on the next meeting... | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | toma: the point is that we will not remove this | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | because it is on canonicals plans, and kubuntu is a part of the global ubuntu project... | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | we can discuss it, but that will not be debatable I think | 12:30 |
| toma | look at khtml/khtmlview.cpp, line 933 | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | in kdebase ? | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 12:30 |
| toma | Tonio_: kdelibs | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | hum !!!!!!!!!! khtml is part of kdelibs of course.......; I'm stupid | 12:31 |
| toma | no, line 349 | 12:31 |
| toma | 394 | 12:31 |
| toma | increase 4 to whatever | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | d->m_mouseScroll_byX = 0; | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | d->m_mouseScroll_byY = 0; | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay, that's just the initialisation | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | looking | 12:32 |
| toma | line 394 | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | okay that give the acceleration | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | great ! | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | let's make tests | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | toma: you are the man | 12:33 |
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| Tonio_ | okayh let's test | 12:34 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: testing to find the good acceleration factor will take time........ kdelibs is quite long to package for each test | 12:37 |
| toma | there should be a setting to show/unshow the mouse scroll indicator | 12:37 |
| toma | do you know ehere that is located? | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | it doesn't exist graphically... | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | unseenable, unsetable... | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | if it where, that would already be in dapper lol :) | 12:39 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: talking about the blog post, one thing we must not forget is that is doesn't conern only kde, but all kde based apps, including universe ones | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | and most of them aren't translated at all | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | so the point is that is can be weird for the standard kdebase apps, but very usefull to get close to a full translated system | 12:42 |
| toma | sure. but it hurts kde imho | 12:42 |
| toma | so the procedures for them should change a bit | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | toma: yes, but that would make a double stuff to maintain/support | 12:43 |
| toma | accelaration is around line 1107 btw | 12:45 |
| toma | Tonio_: try this http://rafb.net/paste/results/693SdM64.html | 12:49 |
| toma | Tonio_: your current compiel can be aborted, it won't work ;-( | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | are those the good ones ? | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | tesging | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | testing | 12:51 |
| toma | not sure, we might extend the else construction with one row, for super accellaration | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | hum true | 12:52 |
| toma | do you want that right now? | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | the point is that you have several speeds, but this isn't proportionnal with the distance from the cursor to the click point | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | this is how firefox works | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | it is very nice | 12:52 |
| toma | ah ok, thats even better | 12:52 |
| toma | we can do that | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | I can do the algo but not the code.... | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I don't know C++ | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | can you help me on that point ? | 12:53 |
| toma | yes, should not be that hard | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | let's take 25 px -> 2 | 12:54 |
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| Tonio_ | d->m_mouseScroll_byX *= adX/12.5 | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | but that isn't valid c++ I assume :) | 12:55 |
| toma | not sure. | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | we can devide per 10 probably | 12:56 |
| toma | let me check | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | d->m_mouseScroll_byX *= adX*0.1 | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | that has better chances to work ;) | 12:56 |
| toma | that might work | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | let's gooooooooooooooooooo | 12:56 |
| toma | probably we have to round it a bit | 12:58 |
| toma | else the compiler will complain | 12:58 |
| toma | so, we could go for the easy way out by converting it to an int. | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | why didn't they did that way ??? | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | proportional is by far better | 12:58 |
| toma | no idea, but we will find out probably | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | sure | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | if we fail we can still add lots of values... | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | >100 > 125 etc... | 01:00 |
| toma | indeed | 01:00 |
| toma | me tries to find a quick setup to test compilation | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | toma: it is already in build here, but it'll take a bit of time :) | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | I'm on a laptop, not a dual core :) | 01:02 |
| toma | i'm pretty sure it will fail, as it will not result in an int | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | hum | 01:03 |
| toma | but let it run as long as i'm struggling here | 01:03 |
| Tonio_ | that's possible | 01:03 |
| Tonio_ | round() somewhere ? | 01:03 |
| Tonio_ | we can devide by 10 and round the value | 01:04 |
| toma | that would mean an include math.h is needed. | 01:04 |
| Tonio_ | hum... | 01:04 |
| toma | we can cast it to an int | 01:04 |
| Tonio_ | how ? | 01:04 |
| Tonio_ | if lengh(bla) > 1 then split (bla, 0, 1) ? | 01:05 |
| toma | probably using ...*= (int)(adX*.0.1) | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know if c++ allow textual functions on numvers | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | numbers | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | no .h file to include for this ? | 01:06 |
| toma | no | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | cool | 01:06 |
| Tonio_ | okay noted in case it fails | 01:06 |
| toma | did you leave in that it only should happen after 25 pixels? | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | nope | 01:07 |
| toma | maybe that is friendly as well | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | in firefox 2 pix and it works | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | you really should give a try at firefox conerning this | 01:07 |
| Tonio_ | it is pretty cool like this | 01:07 |
| toma | it does not work for me in firefox | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | hu ? | 01:08 |
| toma | nothing happens | 01:08 |
| toma | middleclick | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | maybe the lin ux version needs that to be activated let me checl | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | on the windows version it is activated out of the box | 01:08 |
| toma | ok, it might compile fine, just with a warning | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | toma: go in firefox prefs, advances, use automatic blabla | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | you can activate it there | 01:09 |
| toma | oki | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | the proportionnal thing is really MUCH better | 01:10 |
| toma | works...it is really difficult to pauze the scrolling to read up | 01:10 |
| Tonio_ | really ? | 01:10 |
| toma | it is always moving unless you point the mouse to the middle | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | toma: reclick on middle click ;) | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | hum, I must say I have a very precise mouse, but I don't have any issue in going back to the center | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | G7 laser pawa | 01:12 |
| toma | Tonio_: ok, it shoudl compile | 01:12 |
| toma | if (adY > 25) d->m_mouseScroll_byY *= adY*0.1; | 01:13 |
| toma | else d->m_mouseScroll_byY = 0; | 01:13 |
| toma | if you want to lock movement the first 25 | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | I'l probably do with 10 | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | 10 bottom and 10 top makes a 20 pix zone | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | should be enought | 01:13 |
| toma | right | 01:14 |
| toma | where does NMU strand for? | 01:14 |
| toma | stand | 01:15 |
| Tonio_ | Non Maintainer Upgrade | 01:15 |
| toma | ah, ok | 01:15 |
| Tonio_ | it is when the changelog name and maintainer name in control are different | 01:15 |
| Tonio_ | debian cares this, but we don't give a shit :) | 01:15 |
| toma | yes, i noticed that difference | 01:15 |
| toma | Tonio_: bbi 10 minutes, are you still around then? | 01:16 |
| Tonio_ | toma: yes | 01:17 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: if it works nicelly this patch could be proposed to kde I think | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | since most firefox people using this function (windows ones for example) really regret this functionnality sucks in konq... | 01:19 |
| toma | back | 01:26 |
| toma | i can commit it to trunk / kde4 yes | 01:26 |
| toma | for kde 3.5.5 only if i write a good mail ;-) | 01:26 |
| toma | and it is tested well by users of edgy | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | it'll be tested | 01:36 |
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| toma | done yet? | 02:02 |
| Tonio_ | toma: nope, still building........ | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | I had a crash during the first build, no left space on device... | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | edgy migration increased the size of my apt cache :) | 02:07 |
| toma | ouch | 02:08 |
| toma | i just installed 160gb extra to try an edgy install soon and a kde4 | 02:08 |
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| toma | and because my current hd is giving me troubles now and then | 02:24 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: it doesn't work very nicelly | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | the speed changes in a strange way........ | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | weird | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | I may try with (int) maybe | 03:00 |
| toma | can you send me the build? | 03:00 |
| toma | edgy or dapper? | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | edgy.... | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | is it okay ? | 03:01 |
| toma | i'm not on dapper | 03:01 |
| toma | edgy | 03:01 |
| toma | i'll build it tomorrow | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | +d->m_mouseScroll_byX *= adX*0.1; | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | +d->m_mouseScroll_byY *= adX*0.1; | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 03:02 |
| toma | i think we can loose the *= and change that to = | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | I'm a fuckin' stupid......... | 03:02 |
| toma | haha | 03:02 |
| toma | yes | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | rebuiding......... | 03:03 |
| toma | how is the horizontal scrolling? | 03:04 |
| crimsun | wow, that's an odd bug | 03:05 |
| toma | Tonio_: i'll not wait on that build, nite | 03:12 |
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| Tonio_ | crimsun: well, it is probably due to the fact than it is 3:30 am too :) | 03:26 |
| crimsun | that, too. :-) | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 03:27 |
| bddebian | Hello | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | hey bddebian | 03:27 |
| bddebian | Heya Tonio_ | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | why do I make so stupid things on a package that takes more than one hour to build ? :'( | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Tonio_: We all do | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | bddebian: true ! | 03:44 |
| crimsun | tonio would love ccache. | 04:22 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:39 |
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| Hobbsee | morning all! | 04:53 |
| === Hobbsee has figured out a good birthday present. | ||
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | whats that ? | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: a card that works without ndiswrapper! | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | a new mac lappy ? | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | heheh | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | pft | 05:07 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: you ever use distcc ? | 05:12 |
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| crimsun | imbrandon: I've used it | 06:04 |
| imbrandon | know if its possible to get dpkg-buildpackage to use it ? | 06:04 |
| crimsun | yes, but I don't know the details offhand | 06:05 |
| crimsun | you shouldn't have to do anything special to dpkg* | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | k cool, i will continue my quest then | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | hrm well i wanted to do it without chaging the makeflags of the source | 06:06 |
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| kwwii | moin | 06:10 |
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| nixternal | moin kwwii | 06:19 |
| kwwii | howdy nixternal | 06:20 |
| kwwii | happy birthday hobbsee :-) | 06:20 |
| === kwwii wonders how old she is | ||
| nixternal | 18 | 06:20 |
| kwwii | damn kids | 06:20 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:20 |
| nixternal | they are getting smarter and smarter as well | 06:21 |
| crimsun | 18?! Man, I feel ancient. | 06:21 |
| kwwii | hehe | 06:21 |
| kwwii | yeah, no shit | 06:21 |
| nixternal | you are ;) | 06:21 |
| crimsun | nixternal: I bet I'm younger than you :-p | 06:21 |
| nixternal | bet your not ;) | 06:21 |
| crimsun | ok fine, at least I'm younger than Lamont :-p | 06:21 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:21 |
| nixternal | lamont off of sanford and son? | 06:21 |
| nixternal | ;) | 06:21 |
| crimsun | hah | 06:22 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:22 |
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| DaSkreech | HI nixternal | 06:46 |
| nixternal | hiya DaSkreech | 06:47 |
| DaSkreech | Interesting Newsletter | 06:47 |
| nixternal | it is in the process of editing | 06:47 |
| nixternal | #7 isn't even close to being ready | 06:48 |
| nixternal | it just has the news..now it needs to be put to template and released...reworded, tweaked, you name it | 06:48 |
| kwwii | nixternal: the fact that you know lamont of sanford and son tells me that you are pretty old :p | 06:49 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:49 |
| nixternal | i grew up to that. red foxx is one of my favorites | 06:49 |
| nixternal | sanford and on, all in the family...classics | 06:49 |
| DaSkreech | Mutha . Father! | 06:49 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:49 |
| nixternal | aunt esther...and fred..they would kill me | 06:50 |
| nixternal | ok..i need a ubuntu theme page/site at chi.ubuntu-us.org | 06:50 |
| nixternal | ;_ | 06:50 |
| === abattoir wonders what you people are talking about... goes and googles/ searches tv.com :P | ||
| nixternal | hehe | 06:50 |
| DaSkreech | Young uns | 06:51 |
| === nixternal will be 32 in 1 week and 9 minutes | ||
| crimsun | you're definitely a fogey. | 06:52 |
| nixternal | never | 06:52 |
| DaSkreech | I'll be like 18 in .. sometime | 06:52 |
| crimsun | whippersnapper. | 06:52 |
| abattoir | ok, so i *was* right, it *was* a TV show... | 06:53 |
| abattoir | hmmm 1972-1977 | 06:53 |
| DaSkreech | Woah older than me | 06:53 |
| DaSkreech | Though I do remember desmonds | 06:54 |
| === imbrandon rembers lammont and is only 27 | ||
| DaSkreech | Which I see no one else remembers | 06:55 |
| crimsun | (I was actually referring to LaMont Jones, the DD, who is in his 40s.) | 06:56 |
| kwwii | hehe | 06:57 |
| imbrandon | heheh i was thinking sanford and sons ;) | 06:57 |
| imbrandon | son* | 06:57 |
| nixternal | green acres? | 06:57 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 06:57 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:57 |
| nixternal | nick at night and tvland own me | 06:57 |
| === imbrandon knows he is over 21 becouse he tried to hide the beer real fast in this family pic http://www.imbrandon.com/images/all.gif | ||
| imbrandon | lol | 06:58 |
| DaSkreech | OF course if anyone backs out the original airings of The Shadow I'm outta here | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | ( unsuccessfully i might add ) | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: lol | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: what about starsky and huch ? | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:59 |
| DaSkreech | The Shadow is older :) | 06:59 |
| DaSkreech | imbrandon: That's cute where did you get the Bear shirt? | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | hrm i wonder whom is the old man on campus that hangs in -motu or one of the -devel's | 07:00 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: nice pic :-) | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: i have no idea man lol that was almost a year and a half ago | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: thanks | 07:01 |
| kwwii | for a long time, I thought I was old but now I meet people online that are even older :p | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:02 |
| === imbrandon looks alot older without his ballcap on becouse I'm balding , but good luck finding a pic of me without a ballcap on ;) | ||
| crimsun | I tend to avoid photos if possible | 07:04 |
| kwwii | hehe, I shaved my head for the last 7 years too hide my balding | 07:04 |
| === DaSkreech whistles as hie opens Krita | ||
| kwwii | now I finally have hair again | 07:04 |
| kwwii | in between jobs, I figured that I could risk trying to see if it will grow anymore :p | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | lol yea | 07:05 |
| kwwii | so now I have this funny, kinda bozo the clown meets christopher walken look | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | bwhahahah omg i just pictured that | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | heh afk freakin kernel panics | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | heh everytime i have seen you kwwii you have a beanie cap on | 07:07 |
| kwwii | what is your kernel afraid of? :-) | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | grrr well i was trying to install debian proper on this other box | 07:08 |
| kwwii | ahhhaaaa, sorry we do not support that here :p | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | but right after install it panics, lol ( notes *buntu runs fine on same hardware ) /me looks for the problem | 07:08 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: Falling haair or rising gas prices one of the two I'll bet | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | heh kwwii we dont support osx either and thats what i'm on atm ;) | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | shhh | 07:09 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: dude, the gas price here is getting fscking crazy | 07:09 |
| kwwii | hehe | 07:09 |
| DaSkreech | Fuel System consumption killing? | 07:10 |
| === imbrandon dosent drive | ||
| kwwii | it is around 1.40 Euro per Liter | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | its about 2.90 USD here or so last i looked | 07:11 |
| kwwii | imagine paying $5 or so for a gallon | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | yea that sucks | 07:12 |
| kwwii | time to sell the mercedes and buy a honda again | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | get a ethonol ( sp? ) car | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | or a sunlight one | 07:13 |
| kwwii | actually I was thinking of natural gas | 07:13 |
| imbrandon | ye | 07:13 |
| imbrandon | a | 07:13 |
| DaSkreech | It's like 60 dollars a litre | 07:13 |
| imbrandon | gah this sucks /me hates this ( debian proper not working ) | 07:13 |
| DaSkreech | Plus now we gotta pay to drive on the roads | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | ohh well i dont have time to fsk with it | 07:14 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: London? | 07:15 |
| DaSkreech | Doh! | 07:15 |
| kwwii | hehe, I found a pic of my family: http://bootsplash.org/family.jpg | 07:15 |
| DaSkreech | John Woo is not making the next TMNT movie | 07:15 |
| DaSkreech | abattoir: No I said dollars | 07:15 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: nice , cool pic | 07:16 |
| kwwii | thnx | 07:16 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: oh ok, i though London, because of the Road Pricing thing, but now they are having it all over the world... | 07:16 |
| abattoir | *thought | 07:16 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah the Govt sold our roads to the french so now we have to pay them to drive on it | 07:17 |
| kwwii | lol | 07:17 |
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| abattoir | hehe | 07:17 |
| DaSkreech | bootsplash.org | 07:18 |
| === kwwii just woke up ;-) | ||
| DaSkreech | That's a fortunate URL | 07:18 |
| === abattoir remembers trying to use bootsplash once. | ||
| kwwii | DaSkreech: well, I co-authored the first bootsplash | 07:18 |
| abattoir | i had an old monitor/video card, never worked :( | 07:19 |
| kwwii | the first bootsplash ever for linux, so the domain was easy to find | 07:19 |
| DaSkreech | I just went to the home page and surmised something like that | 07:19 |
| kwwii | actually, I think I made up the word "bootsplash" | 07:19 |
| imbrandon | hehehe wouldent doubt it | 07:19 |
| kwwii | abattoir: I can point you to lots of new cards that do not work either | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | inbetween jobs? i thought you were on contract with canonical kwwii | 07:20 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: I worked for SUSE for the last 7 years | 07:20 |
| abattoir | kwwii: its still in active development? or has it morphed into something else ? | 07:20 |
| kwwii | abattoir: it is still being developed but I am no longer working on it | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: i know that i ment now | 07:21 |
| kwwii | eventually I will migrate to my new domain and get rid of bootsplash.org | 07:21 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: yeah, now I am contracting for canonical | 07:21 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm I wonder if they have a URL for the Stuff Lunak tossed into kwin | 07:22 |
| kwwii | "artist in chief" (what a corny name) | 07:22 |
| abattoir | heh | 07:22 |
| === imbrandon nneds to totaly redo all the graphics on imbrandon.com and move it to the new server ( i did those graphics over 2 years ago lol ) | ||
| DaSkreech | kwwii: Ask them to just Give you Master Chief | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:22 |
| nixternal | imbrandon needs to get me some ubuntu themeage!!! | 07:22 |
| DaSkreech | For some rason young uns' think that's a cool name nowadays :) | 07:22 |
| DaSkreech | Reason | 07:23 |
| kwwii | lol | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | nixternal: i'm working on "themes" for buntudot.org i might get up this weekend | 07:23 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: not so bad though | 07:23 |
| kwwii | you could simply update a few things and it would look fresh again | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | but trying to whip art.ubuntu.com into shape atm | 07:23 |
| kwwii | hehe, I was born in kansas city :-) | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | so not time | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: was you? nice i was born and raised here, moved a few diffrent places and just reciently moved back | 07:24 |
| nixternal | if ubuntu is FOSS, how come i can't download the theme they use for ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com, or the fridge.ubuntu.com??? that would be a plone theme, moinmoin theme, and a drupal theme | 07:24 |
| nixternal | made sure i covered all 3 ;) | 07:24 |
| DaSkreech | Cause they are 1337 | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | nixternal: ask newz2000 he will prbbably get it for you, i dont wanna rip it off the art.u.c server becosue i dont know how its licensed | 07:25 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: I'll be in St. Louis in about two weeks visiting my family | 07:25 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: obviously it has to be open, since the forums got it | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: nice , let me know i got family there too ( cupple uncles , my grandma and dad ) and we can hookup for a beer ort coffee or somethin if you will have time | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | its only about 3.5 hours from KC | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | not a big drive | 07:26 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: I'll do that :-) | 07:26 |
| === imbrandon notes his wife will still be out of town too so its perfect LOL | ||
| kwwii | :D | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | actualy you knoew where offallon IL is outside east stl ? thats where they all live | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | st claire county i think | 07:28 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: So going to whip up some cool new compositing effects for us? :) | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | how'd you end up in germany ( isnt that where you are ) , suse ? | 07:28 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: hehe, once I have a computer on which it works, sure :-) | 07:30 |
| kwwii | I have 4 computers and 5 ATI cards | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:31 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm Hey kwwii Where does the KGHNS for the wallpapers point to? | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | damm apples ;) | 07:31 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: exactly | 07:31 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: ~/.kde/share/wallpapers iirc | 07:31 |
| DaSkreech | Well they just dropped support for it into kwin :) | 07:31 |
| kwwii | KGHNS? | 07:31 |
| DaSkreech | abattoir: Huh? | 07:31 |
| DaSkreech | KDE.... | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | kghns ? | 07:32 |
| DaSkreech | Get Hot... | 07:32 |
| abattoir | oh sorry, kde-look.org | 07:32 |
| kwwii | ahhh | 07:32 |
| DaSkreech | New Stuff? | 07:32 |
| kwwii | yeah, kde-look.org | 07:32 |
| abattoir | i though you asked where they are downloaded to | 07:32 |
| kwwii | KGetHotNewStuff | 07:32 |
| DaSkreech | Yup :) | 07:32 |
| kwwii | KThisIsAnotherStupidNameThatStartsWithK | 07:32 |
| abattoir | hehe | 07:32 |
| imbrandon | hahahahah | 07:32 |
| DaSkreech | Was wondering if we could get some of a.you.com up there | 07:33 |
| DaSkreech | For someone named kwwii :) | 07:33 |
| DaSkreech | KNintendo FTW! | 07:33 |
| imbrandon | heh there is a knes iirc | 07:33 |
| kwwii | KDE stands for Kens Desktop Environment | 07:33 |
| DaSkreech | Go niKsternal! | 07:34 |
| niKsternal | muah | 07:34 |
| nixternal | jeesh, freenode didn't like that | 07:34 |
| kwwii | unfortunately it really stood for "Kool Desktop Environment" which always reminds me of cigarettes | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | heh i thought it was a play on the cde klone | 07:36 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: I'm of the opinion it didn't stand for anything | 07:36 |
| DaSkreech | It was just to make fun of CDE | 07:36 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: yeah, that is what we say now | 07:36 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: nah it did WAYYY back when | 07:37 |
| === imbrandon hates it some sites still use the old kde logo | ||
| DaSkreech | Just kause Ama Rok!s doesn't mean we go bac on prikipals | 07:37 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: it is based on the CDE name idea, but in german all C's are K's | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | kommon desktop enviornment | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:38 |
| DaSkreech | Kooky? | 07:38 |
| kwwii | hehe | 07:38 |
| DaSkreech | Kause we're Kreepy and Kooky | 07:38 |
| DaSkreech | Mysterious and spooky | 07:38 |
| DaSkreech | Bah only old people get that joke | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | sounds like the begning to scooby doo | 07:39 |
| kwwii | I liked "Komplet" (Complete in english) | 07:39 |
| kwwii | since it does have pretty much everything (at least twice) | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | yea | 07:39 |
| DaSkreech | Would have been funny of e got called that | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | ede ? | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | e is ugly imho ( so is stock kde too but thats beside the point ) | 07:40 |
| kwwii | at least you can point to the one person who is responsible for making e look as it does | 07:40 |
| === imbrandon likes the glassy look of vista ( i dident say the OS before you flame ) | ||
| === DaSkreech reminds himself to start peeking over the kde4 fence | ||
| imbrandon | plasma is lookin rockin from what i have seen | 07:41 |
| DaSkreech | imbrandon: I used to. the new screens creep me out | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: i just mean the "glassy" feel for everything | 07:41 |
| kwwii | wait till we have oxygen ready, then things will start to look nice | 07:41 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah too bad my attention has wandered to tenor which looks dead :( | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | not really the os or win deco | 07:41 |
| DaSkreech | imbrandon: Yeah it creeps me out | 07:42 |
| DaSkreech | Should have lusted solid they look almost done :( | 07:42 |
| === imbrandon hugs royale | ||
| kwwii | royale? | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | i still havent prefected that glass look in inkscape / pshotoshop yet though | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png | 07:44 |
| imbrandon | ^^ glassy xp look called royale | 07:44 |
| imbrandon | i have the howto and the images i used on buntudot.org howto section | 07:45 |
| kwwii | hehe, killer | 07:45 |
| abattoir | imbrandon: arent you the guy who has a howto for this? | 07:45 |
| DaSkreech | Better than Fisher Price I guess | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | abattoir: yea its my theme ;) | 07:45 |
| abattoir | imbrandon: oh, yes, now i remember :) | 07:46 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah I go into spasms everytime I see a screenshot from him | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | abattoir: i run buntudot.org ( with some editing help from nixternal and a few other great guys ) | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:46 |
| kwwii | lol | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 07:46 |
| abattoir | imbrandon: yes, 'that', i know :) | 07:47 |
| abattoir | imbrandon: looks nice :) | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: you should see my iBook screenshots , i have kde on it looking exactly like osx tiger | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: i make the x86 look like windows xp and ibook look like osx and my amd64 is stock kde ;) | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | but all run kde | 07:48 |
| DaSkreech | I just do that to get the rage of my mac co-workers up :) | 07:48 |
| imbrandon | well the ibook is in osx most of the time but it does have kubuntu installed ;P | 07:48 |
| DaSkreech | Then I cycle through the look for all the Mac OSX releases | 07:48 |
| DaSkreech | Ahh Baghira :) | 07:48 |
| abattoir | Baghira is simply awesome | 07:48 |
| kwwii | the guy who made baghira is working on the oxygen style :-) | 07:48 |
| DaSkreech | I just like the name | 07:48 |
| abattoir | i have a variation.. too bad no one else in the world other than me likes it :( | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: yea baghira is some of it, and a karamba plugin too | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | and a few other touches | 07:49 |
| DaSkreech | and the fact that the screenshot page says I'm guessing this is the first page you clicked on | 07:49 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: I'm confused about Oxygen Does it have substyles? | 07:49 |
| === imbrandon loves oxygen ( cept the brown folders LOL ) | ||
| abattoir | hehe | 07:50 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: nope, it is an icon theme, window deco, widget style etc. | 07:50 |
| abattoir | kwwii: is everaldo also working on it ? | 07:50 |
| kwwii | yeah, I gotta put the blue ones back | 07:50 |
| kwwii | abattoir: hehe, nope | 07:50 |
| kwwii | we asked him | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | abattoir: kwwii is ;P | 07:51 |
| kwwii | and he said he is not interested in working on a theme that he did not create by himself | 07:51 |
| abattoir | imbrandon: of course, was just asking... | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | everaldo has some NICE icons | 07:51 |
| kwwii | yeah, I used to be his boss :p | 07:51 |
| abattoir | kwwii: that's sad... hmm egos | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | lol cool | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | yea ego's suck | 07:51 |
| DaSkreech | The latest commit digest had a oxygen/Pinheiro | 07:52 |
| kwwii | the best part of oxygen is that it is 100% svg | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | yea | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | brb one sec | 07:52 |
| kwwii | Nuno Pinheiro, David Vignoni and myself are the oxygen team | 07:52 |
| DaSkreech | I know I cracked up when I saw it commited as SVN cause since SVG is code you could have versions of it :) | 07:53 |
| DaSkreech | With Diffs | 07:53 |
| kwwii | and in the meantime others have stepped up to help as well | 07:53 |
| DaSkreech | Ah I thought it was a subsection | 07:53 |
| kwwii | hehe, nope, those are dirs for the artists to store stuff in before it goes in the theme | 07:53 |
| DaSkreech | I showed someone at work the XML for it and he was all oh that's cool then I opened it in Konq and it came out as the KDE logo and he had this puzzled look on his face for a good while | 07:54 |
| DaSkreech | Cause he saw me garb the svn :) | 07:54 |
| DaSkreech | grab | 07:54 |
| DaSkreech | stupid 1 in the morning | 07:54 |
| kwwii | hehe | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:56 |
| DaSkreech | That's pretty much when I figured out the E-vil fo XML | 07:56 |
| DaSkreech | When I saw someone code a picture of a house in Notepad | 07:56 |
| imbrandon | isnt there a script in there too to generate the png icons | 07:56 |
| DaSkreech | I had to close the browser and walk away cause that just changed the world | 07:57 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: yepp, check in the Ken dir | 07:57 |
| === imbrandon wonders if kde still builds on osx | ||
| kwwii | run that script in the "svg" dir in theme | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: cool, | 07:57 |
| DaSkreech | You can have a script build in the person's name in the icon for thier home dir :) | 07:57 |
| DaSkreech | In the font of their preference :) | 07:57 |
| DaSkreech | automagiaclly!! | 07:57 |
| === abattoir goes to try that out | ||
| kwwii | :-) | 07:58 |
| abattoir | kwwii: it uses imagemagick ? | 07:58 |
| DaSkreech | Cause the entire picture is well formed well structured code | 07:58 |
| kwwii | abattoir: yepp and inkscape | 07:58 |
| kwwii | but it will use batik soon instead | 07:58 |
| abattoir | kwwii: cool :) | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | batik ? | 07:58 |
| === imbrandon googles | ||
| DaSkreech | Heck you could get a small picture of them, convert it to SVG assign it a variable and use it on the corner of all folders they own | 07:59 |
| kwwii | we will have it running on one of our servers | 07:59 |
| kwwii | oxygen-icons.org is going to get really nifty in the next few months | 07:59 |
| DaSkreech | But as google says Do no Evil :) | 07:59 |
| imbrandon | hrm is there a "easyish" way to convert a bmp based pic to svg ? | 08:00 |
| kwwii | well, you could trace it | 08:00 |
| imbrandon | heh yea | 08:00 |
| kwwii | but the results are usually not that nice | 08:00 |
| === imbrandon needs a new pen and pad mouse , my old one is not acurate at all | ||
| DaSkreech | Who knows anything about Tenor? | 08:01 |
| kwwii | well, I am part of the appeal group so I guess I know more than others | 08:01 |
| kwwii | for now it is pretty much dead, I guess...scott, the main dev, has no time for it, it seems | 08:02 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah :( | 08:02 |
| DaSkreech | Ah well | 08:02 |
| DaSkreech | Oh back to Oxygen | 08:03 |
| DaSkreech | I guess the core team does all the core KDE etuff | 08:03 |
| DaSkreech | stuff | 08:03 |
| abattoir | isnt tenor the KDE4 search infrastructure thing? | 08:03 |
| kwwii | yepp | 08:03 |
| DaSkreech | what about other app writers? | 08:03 |
| DaSkreech | abattoir: Wasish | 08:03 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: not sure I follow? | 08:04 |
| DaSkreech | Might get stripped down to strigi | 08:04 |
| DaSkreech | Well other applications not konsidered part of KDE | 08:04 |
| DaSkreech | Like krecipe and such | 08:04 |
| kwwii | we are working on the 1200 most important icons now | 08:04 |
| kwwii | eventually it will be even more complete than crystal | 08:05 |
| DaSkreech | Do they make an ikon and submit it, keep up their own thing or must they use SVG that conforms to oxygeb rules? | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | 1200!!! | 08:05 |
| abattoir | kwwii: there really are 1200 icons? i though aseigo said you were kidding | 08:05 |
| DaSkreech | Ah | 08:05 |
| kwwii | abattoir: no, I can show them to you | 08:05 |
| abattoir | or does it include all the sizes? | 08:05 |
| kwwii | hehe, actually there are about 1900, but we removed the exact duplicates | 08:05 |
| kwwii | no, just one size for each name | 08:06 |
| DaSkreech | SVG is scalable they should need only one size right | 08:06 |
| abattoir | hmmm... sounds like a daunting task ;) | 08:06 |
| abattoir | 1200 icons | 08:06 |
| kwwii | not quite true though...we make different svgs for the smaller sizes | 08:07 |
| DaSkreech | What about silly things like Kolours? do you need a red Folder and a pink Folder or can you just make one Folder and then you can let people kolour it however they like? | 08:07 |
| abattoir | but i guess when you are a pro, you can get through it easily :P | 08:07 |
| DaSkreech | I noticed that for some of them. I figured you took out some detail if the ikon was only inteded to be used in a small size | 08:07 |
| mornfall | i fail to see how being a pro makes it so much easier to get through things | 08:07 |
| imbrandon | moins mornfall | 08:08 |
| mornfall | hi | 08:08 |
| DaSkreech | Hi | 08:08 |
| abattoir | mornfall: well, you are experienced, the more you do of something, cant you do it faster? | 08:08 |
| mornfall | abattoir: faster, yes, but there are limits, you just can't crank out icons at an icon/minute rate :p | 08:09 |
| kwwii | every new icon takes about a day | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | mornfall: i was just looking at your adept-channels-draf.png mockup,thats gonna be awesom looks like | 08:10 |
| abattoir | mornfall: of course, you do need the skill, creativity etc., but being a pro makes the task a bit easier, a bit familiar right? | 08:10 |
| kwwii | for someone who is good | 08:10 |
| DaSkreech | Sooo KDE4 is 1900 days/3 away | 08:10 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:10 |
| kwwii | it helps to be a good artist, yes | 08:10 |
| abattoir | hehe | 08:10 |
| === DaSkreech heads off to the FOSS Inquirer | ||
| kwwii | hehe | 08:11 |
| kwwii | our biggest problem at the moment is that none of us are being paid to work on oxygen | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: you mean slashdot err nvm | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | lol | 08:11 |
| DaSkreech | damn this pollution | 08:11 |
| DaSkreech | I knew I'd be asked to pay for Oxygen one day!! | 08:12 |
| kwwii | lol | 08:12 |
| abattoir | imbrandon: dont worry buntudot will get the world exclusive :P | 08:12 |
| === imbrandon wishes he has tons of money to fund some foss projects | ||
| imbrandon | abattoir: LOL | 08:12 |
| mornfall | imbrandon: i know a guy who has | 08:12 |
| mornfall | but he likes gnome more, so | 08:12 |
| mornfall | tough luck | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | heh sabdfl ? hehe | 08:13 |
| === abattoir thinks he knows who it is | ||
| === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| DaSkreech | Doesn't he have like Konqui's Kousin on his plane? | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | mornfall: yea i mean more like to pay for oxy devs or adept devs etc not myself ;) | 08:13 |
| DaSkreech | Hi Hobbsee | 08:14 |
| mornfall | ahoy miss Hobbsee | 08:14 |
| abattoir | kwwii: what about Linspire, Novell(ok, they are leaning towards GNOME now) and the big uns? | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | moins Hobbsee | 08:14 |
| Hobbsee | hi DaSkreech, mornfall, kwwii and eveyone else | 08:14 |
| abattoir | kwwii: and of course Canonical too :P | 08:14 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon - do we have konversation nightly builds for edgy yet? | 08:14 |
| kwwii | abattoir: I worked for Novell (SUSE)...I also helped to start Tango but then decided to take my name off of it and then lost my job :p | 08:14 |
| kwwii | I guess hiring two artists to work on oxygen also had something to do with it | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | ouch kwwii | 08:15 |
| kwwii | Linspire pays Everaldo (he left SUSE to work for them) | 08:15 |
| DaSkreech | Novell is a strange kompany | 08:15 |
| abattoir | hmm, yes i remember they got the initial exclusive on Crystal Clear | 08:15 |
| kwwii | and my time for Canonical is pretty full of kubuntu only work | 08:15 |
| kwwii | I mean, I do get stuff done, but I cannot say that I am doing one icon a day | 08:16 |
| mornfall | novell is great working against itself | 08:16 |
| abattoir | its sad that few companies want to give back... when they take so much... add little value | 08:17 |
| DaSkreech | *cough* Microsoft *coughcough* | 08:18 |
| abattoir | well, atleast they develop their own stuff... | 08:18 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: on your blog you have a pic on Feb 2, 2006 ...is that a special day or something? | 08:18 |
| DaSkreech | Some of it :-P | 08:18 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: hehe | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: it was a failed attemp to make albums and i havent fixed the phgp code | 08:19 |
| kwwii | ahhh, gotcha...just wondered cause that happens to be my birthday | 08:19 |
| DaSkreech | In any kase I think the time of bed has kome | 08:19 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: ok, atleast they 'buyout' the company or the product, even if it is daylight robbery | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: i did all the art and php for that site and honestly have just neglected it lately | 08:19 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: I know that feeling :-) | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: ahh cool actualy that was the day we had the last family pics made ( at the end of the main album ) | 08:20 |
| DaSkreech | abattoir: I tracked something for a good while and everytime zlib had a security flaw Microsoft has one remarkably similar within a month | 08:20 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: hmmmm... definitely sounds like something they'd do :) | 08:21 |
| Hobbsee | oh good, my screensaver fix hit the archives. | 08:21 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 08:21 |
| DaSkreech | Anyway I don't want to speak ill of the dead.. or dying | 08:21 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: indeed :) | 08:21 |
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| DaSkreech | Which reminds me I'm supposed to be doing some screensaver work for KDE4 :( | 08:21 |
| DaSkreech | Ahhh Hope I get better soon | 08:22 |
| kwwii | dude, this is fscked up: http://www.wltx.com/FYI/story.aspx?storyid=39760 | 08:22 |
| === imbrandon looks | ||
| abattoir | sick | 08:23 |
| imbrandon | ewww | 08:24 |
| DaSkreech | Night ALL | 08:24 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: night | 08:24 |
| imbrandon | gnight | 08:24 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: good night :) | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | nigh tdas | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | *night DaSkreech | 08:24 |
| === DaSkreech grins | ||
| kwwii | happy (belated?) birthday Hobbsee | 08:24 |
| imbrandon | ahh to be 18 again lol | 08:25 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Oh yeah some imposter was here :) we were nice though | 08:25 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: not belated :) thankyou | 08:25 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:25 |
| DaSkreech | Ha I'm 18 till the day I die | 08:25 |
| === Hobbsee wonders why this ftbfs. | ||
| === DaSkreech turns on Bryan Adams and bops to bed | ||
| kwwii | ftbfs? | 08:27 |
| imbrandon | file to build | 08:27 |
| imbrandon | fale | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | grr | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | screw it | 08:28 |
| kwwii | hehe | 08:29 |
| kwwii | I think I get it know | 08:29 |
| kwwii | thnx :-) | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | failed to build from source. | 08:30 |
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| pygi | hey kwwii, Hobbsee, imbrandon | 08:32 |
| pygi | and others :) | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | hi pygi : | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | ) | 08:32 |
| kwwii | hi pygi | 08:32 |
| === kwwii cooks breakfast | ||
| === pygi just saw some weird thing, but oh well :) | ||
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| nixternal | weee | 08:41 |
| Hobbsee | hi nixternal | 08:41 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 08:41 |
| nixternal | hi Hobbsee | 08:41 |
| nixternal | g'nite | 09:05 |
| pygi | night nixternal | 09:05 |
| abattoir | is it just me or are freenode servers' times screwed up ? | 09:07 |
| abattoir | *** The topic was set by Riddell on Sunday 21,July,2006 07:31:03 | 09:07 |
| abattoir | yesterday wasnt a Sunday | 09:07 |
| abattoir | maybe they are following some other calendar system :P | 09:08 |
| Hobbsee | [17:08] *** The topic was set by Riddell on 22/07/06 00:01:03. | 09:08 |
| abattoir | Hobbsee: interesting | 09:08 |
| abattoir | so its my side... lets see what kopete says | 09:09 |
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| abattoir | maybe a konversation bug? | 09:15 |
| abattoir | ksirc shows it right | 09:15 |
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| Hobbsee | debian 362870 | 09:35 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 362870 in planetpenguin-racer "Subject: planetpenguin-racer: failed upgrade: overwrite of image file from -data" [Important,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/362870 | 09:35 |
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| omeow | mornfall, I wouldnt mind helping you test everything every time you make a new version of adept. :) | 10:53 |
| omeow | Why did the repository manager get disabled in 2.1? It was working pretty decently in the version that ships with kubuntu dapper. | 10:54 |
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| omeow | I updated kdelibs. KDM starts with both screens switched on. I log-in, one screen is turned off. | 11:30 |
| mornfall | re omeow | 11:31 |
| mornfall | as for repo manager | 11:31 |
| mornfall | it's disabled because it's a bug | 11:31 |
| mornfall | wasn't the intention to disableit | 11:31 |
| omeow | I type xrandr -s 0 to get both screens to become active, since kguidance doesnt want to acknowledge that I have two monitors. But when I do that, the windows arent constrained per screen and span both screens. In order to fix that, I have to enable and disable the option to make it work properly again. | 11:31 |
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| omeow | Still cant type an aphostrophe. =/ | 11:49 |
| raphink | hey \sh_away | 11:50 |
| omeow | Hm. | 11:52 |
| omeow | I can type an apostrophe if I press alt + the aposrophe key. '''''' | 11:53 |
| omeow | Stupid. =/ | 11:53 |
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| raphink | omeow: hmm what's the point? | 12:01 |
| omeow | I expect my apostrophe to appear when I press the key and then either space or a key I want to place the apostrophe on. | 12:02 |
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| omeow | Not by using alt+apostrophe+the letter I want the apostrophe to appear on. | 12:02 |
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| omeow | It didn't work like that before I upgraded my kdelibs (and other stuff, but I don't know exactly what got upgraded. I remember kdelibs because I threw cryptic errors at me.). | 12:03 |
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| pygi | mornfall: poke poke | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | hi pygi | 12:17 |
| pygi | hey ajmitch, long time no see :) | 12:22 |
| ajmitch | how's it going? | 12:23 |
| pygi | kinda in trouble with all I have to do, what about you ? :) | 12:23 |
| ajmitch | haha | 12:24 |
| ajmitch | doing ok, SoC project is getting there :) | 12:24 |
| pygi | yay, nice :) | 12:24 |
| ajmitch | still plenty to do though | 12:25 |
| abattoir | ajmitch: soc student? cool... | 12:25 |
| abattoir | which project? | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | network auth | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | though at the moment I only have a gtk+ frontend, not kde :) | 12:25 |
| pygi | ajmitch: ah, make one :P | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | pygi: I need time & incentive | 12:26 |
| ajmitch | most of the code isn't in the frontend anyway | 12:26 |
| pygi | well, backend :P | 12:26 |
| ajmitch | it's in the various hacking up of config scripts, debconf, etc | 12:26 |
| === ajmitch needs to brush up on distutils to get the package working properly :) | ||
| mornfall | pygi: peek peek | 12:30 |
| pygi | mornfall: you have bit of time? | 12:30 |
| mornfall | possibly, yes | 12:30 |
| mornfall | i may wander away for a bit again, but not too long | 12:30 |
| mornfall | and not right now | 12:30 |
| pygi | mornfall: just found out some nice features that are in dev version :) | 12:31 |
| pygi | Like channels, new UI, and stuff :) | 12:31 |
| mornfall | they aren't | 12:31 |
| pygi | ehm? | 12:31 |
| mornfall | it's a spec, not "what's new in" | 12:31 |
| pygi | well, right, but oh well :) | 12:31 |
| mornfall | some of the items will be deferred | 12:32 |
| pygi | may I just say that you consider making the UI more consistent, usable, and not so empty? :P | 12:32 |
| mornfall | maybe, maybe | 12:32 |
| pygi | mornfall: well, if you want to make it appealing to users :) | 12:33 |
| mornfall | yes? | 12:33 |
| mornfall | (i'm not sure i know where is this going) | 12:33 |
| pygi | well, it's going nowhere :) Just saying you have to improve even the new UI draft :P | 12:34 |
| pygi | you dont have to listen to me ofcourse, I am no one important :P | 12:34 |
| === ajmitch waits for a concrete suggestion or two... :) | ||
| === pygi pokes ajmitch !!! :P | ||
| kwwii | er | 12:36 |
| kwwii | re | 12:36 |
| pygi | mornfall: alive? :P | 12:40 |
| mornfall | pygi: ah | 12:45 |
| mornfall | was reading kde-core-devel | 12:45 |
| mornfall | i won't listen to people that tell me "you have to" | 12:45 |
| pygi | mornfall: I said that you dont have to listen me :P | 12:46 |
| mornfall | pygi: that's given | 12:46 |
| mornfall | you also said that i have to improve the ui draft | 12:46 |
| mornfall | which is nonsense | 12:46 |
| mornfall | so | 12:46 |
| pygi | well, if you need help, feel free to ask :) | 12:46 |
| mornfall | are you offering? what exactly? :) | 12:47 |
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| mornfall | (as in, what form of help) | 12:49 |
| pygi | mornfall: advices? :) | 12:51 |
| mornfall | you have any useful? | 12:51 |
| pygi | always :) | 12:51 |
| mornfall | pygi: well, you could tell me and i can judge if they are useful | 01:04 |
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| toma | moguh | 01:49 |
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| Tonio_ | hey | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 01:51 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: ping ? | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | the patch doesn't work, it looks like when speed > 8, then speed restarts to 1 | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | nope it restarts to -8 | 01:54 |
| toma | Tonio_: oki | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | ./khtmlview.cpp: scrollX = deltax > 0 ? (deltax > maxx ? maxx : deltax) : deltax == 0 ? 0 : (deltax>-maxx ? deltax : -maxx); | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | something like this has to be patched too :) | 01:56 |
| toma | eiks | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | toma: 'm looking at the code, it looks patchable, but I will require a little help on that point ;) | 02:00 |
| toma | oki | 02:02 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: int adX = abs( deltaX ); | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | I think we have to look at this part | 02:04 |
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| toma | i dont see an obvious error | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | toma: hum... | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | toma: do you want the binaries ? | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | that might help you to understand what happens | 02:15 |
| toma | i'll build them for dapper | 02:15 |
| toma | + some debugging | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | toma: okay | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | it just looks like the scroll is limited to a value, and restarts at its minimum when this value is reached | 02:16 |
| toma | oki | 02:20 |
| toma | Tonio_: is a dbg package created automatically | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | toma: you means ? | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | a debug one ? don't think so | 02:23 |
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| toma | how to get that one? | 02:25 |
| toma | there is something in the rules about it | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | toma: adding options to the configure script probably :) | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | let me check | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | toma: probab ly need to add another option in DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS | 02:27 |
| toma | there is a package kdelibs-dbg | 02:28 |
| toma | i'll use that one | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | toma add --enable-debug=full | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | that's another way to do ;) | 02:28 |
| toma | isnt it automatically build? | 02:29 |
| Tonio_ | toma: don't think soo | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | toma: better do the way I did ;) | 02:31 |
| raphink | so as to not get Tonio_ angry, better do as he did | 02:35 |
| raphink | ;) | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: lol | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: if you wanna help on that point ;) | 02:37 |
| raphink | hehe | 02:37 |
| raphink | if you wanna help us on migration fai examples to cfengine2 | 02:37 |
| raphink | s/migration/migrating/ | 02:38 |
| raphink | it's even hotter in germany than in Nice | 02:38 |
| raphink | horrible | 02:38 |
| raphink | at least if I was in Nice I would go to the beach to swimm | 02:38 |
| Tonio_ | I can imagin | 02:39 |
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| Tonio_ | hurg........ kdebase ftbfs in my chroot... | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: already seen this error : /usr/include/linux/joystick.h:131: error: '__s64' does not name a type ? | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | looks related to linux kenel headers | 02:55 |
| raphink | nope | 02:55 |
| raphink | why do you think it looks related to the kernel headers? | 02:56 |
| raphink | oh yes | 02:56 |
| raphink | include/linux | 02:56 |
| raphink | :s | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | c koi deja le chan ubuntu-kernel ? | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | je vais demander la bas | 02:56 |
| raphink | Tonio_: x86 or amd64 ? | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | x86 | 02:57 |
| raphink | \sh regarde | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: thanks \sh | 02:57 |
| raphink | in edgy right? | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | hi raphink, Tonio_ | 02:58 |
| raphink | hi ajmitch | 02:59 |
| raphink | <>< | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | hey ajmitch | 02:59 |
| raphink | __GNUC__ must be defined to use __s64 and __STRICT_ANSI__ | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | concerning this kernel headers error it is the second time I have it in 3 days | 03:01 |
| raphink | oh | 03:01 |
| raphink | not __STRICT_ANSI__ sorry | 03:02 |
| raphink | in order to use this class | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | I should report this to benC right ? | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | is it you stephan ? | 03:02 |
| raphink | see /usr/include/linux/types.h | 03:03 |
| raphink | line 28 | 03:03 |
| raphink | #if defined(__GNUC__) && !defined(__STRICT_ANSI__) | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | I can see this yes... | 03:03 |
| raphink | Tonio_: it's not a problem with linux-heaers, __GNUC__ must be defined and __STRICT_ANSI__ must not be defined | 03:04 |
| raphink | otherwise the class it not usable | 03:04 |
| raphink | check if kdebase defines __GNUC__ and __STRICT_ANSI__ | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | okay but that should have changed recently, since the same package was building 2 days ago | 03:04 |
| raphink | and no it's not stephan | 03:04 |
| raphink | it's still me :) | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | hehe okay | 03:04 |
| raphink | well the kernel in edgy hasn't changed for a quite a time | 03:05 |
| raphink | a month or so | 03:06 |
| raphink | I mean the upstream version | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | weird...... | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | latest Riddell's upload is 2 days old... | 03:06 |
| raphink | well I'd think kdebase is more likely to hav changed than linux-source | 03:07 |
| raphink | did you try on another machine Tonio_? | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: no but I will | 03:08 |
| raphink | k | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: can I use tiber for this ? | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | I only have my laptop there | 03:08 |
| ajmitch | the upstream kernel may not have changed, but l-k-h has | 03:08 |
| raphink | sure | 03:08 |
| ajmitch | it's been through a few changes lately | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | ajmitch: okay, that could explain | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | the point is that the same package that was working 2 ays ago ftbfs today... I don't think that's related to kdebase for this | 03:09 |
| raphink | lkh ? | 03:09 |
| raphink | oh right | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | linux kernel headers | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | linux-kernel-headers package | 03:09 |
| raphink | yep | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | I had the same issue compiling kxmame (relative to joystick too) | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | and it was working 2 weeks ago too | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | ajmitch: would you suggest reporting this to the kernel team ? | 03:11 |
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| ajmitch | probably | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | okay thanks | 03:12 |
| ajmitch | BenC can always just yell at you if it's not related :) | 03:12 |
| ajmitch | Tonio_: noone is likely to be around right now in #u-kernel :) | 03:13 |
| ajmitch | I *think* BenC has a week or two vacation now as well | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | ajmitch: arf, okay I'll report a launchpad bug then :) | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | probably better | 03:14 |
| ajmitch | definitely better | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-kernel-headers/+bug/53732 | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | done | 03:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53732 in linux-kernel-headers "/usr/include/linux/joystick.h:131: error: '__s64' does not name a type" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's go back to that kdelibs patch... | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I'm reading at the code (which I finally understand since there are not 50 objects used) and I must say I don't understand the point why accelerator > 7 or 8 goes back to -8... | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | sounds weird... | 03:21 |
| toma | Tonio_: yes, could not find a reason either | 03:21 |
| toma | hence the debug | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | would be good to be able to display this value :) | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | ajmitch: thanks for the help | 03:23 |
| === ajmitch didn't help much :) | ||
| pygi | :P | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I have several merges to complete... can I let you looking at this ? | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | once done we will kickass konqueror :) | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | s/konqueror/firefox :) | 03:24 |
| toma | i'm not so happy with developing stuff this way | 03:25 |
| toma | if every compile takes ages i'll loose interest very soon | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I can understand you... | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | kdelibs or kdebase are a pain for this.... | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: isn't there a way to only recompile the modified stuff with debuild/pbuilder ? | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | because every test takes 1 hour at least.... | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: maybe \sh knows a trick... | 03:27 |
| toma | and why doesnt it make use of icecream | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | Tonio_: ccache with pbuilder | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | ajmitch: looking, thanks :) | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | it's not perfect, but it can speed compiles up a bit | 03:27 |
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| ajmitch | google will probably show you a couple of ways to hook it into pbuilder (I use it here) | 03:28 |
| toma | ok, second ftbfs, i can not work like this | 03:29 |
| toma | debuild should not clean the build | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I'm testing with ccache, looks pretty easy to use | 03:32 |
| Tonio_ | toma: also you can use debuild instead of pbuilder | 03:32 |
| Tonio_ | temp files will not be removed with it | 03:32 |
| toma | im using debuild | 03:33 |
| Tonio_ | arf* | 03:33 |
| Tonio_ | does it clean the build ? | 03:33 |
| Tonio_ | hum true.... I didn't figure out this in the past... | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | debuild -nc | 03:34 |
| ajmitch | iirc | 03:34 |
| === Tonio_ plans to read the full debuild man soon... :( | ||
| ajmitch | are you building on a fast box? | 03:35 |
| Tonio_ | ajmitch: not me, dunno concerning toma | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | I'm on a laptop... | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | ah | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | yes, that can be painful | 03:37 |
| toma | how do i reverse all patches? | 03:40 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: dpatch deapply debian/patches/*.diff probably :) | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | but if you want to deapply them in the tmp build dir, that might be a bit more complicated... | 03:45 |
| toma | how can you all work with these tools | 03:47 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: suffering ? :) | 03:49 |
| toma | another build, last try | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | toma: okay, I would like to test something also, but how do you write 2^4 in c++ ? | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | I mean simply, without translating this to 2*2*2*2 ? | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | would that require include math.h too ? | 04:01 |
| toma | Tonio_: http://www.cplusplus.com/ref/cmath/pow.html | 04:02 |
| toma | && yes for the include if it is not there | 04:02 |
| hunger | Does speedstep work in current kpowersave? | 04:24 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | hey Hobbsee | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | hi Tonio_ ;0 | 04:25 |
| toma | hi | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | 8;0 | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | bleh | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | :0 | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | ))) | 04:25 |
| hunger | Hi hobbsee. | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | toma: aren't you getting crazy ? ;) | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | finally. | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | hi toma, hunger | 04:25 |
| toma | Tonio_: definitly | 04:25 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: too hot? | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: no, my shift key wasnt working, for some reasson | 04:26 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Maybe because it is too hot? ;-) | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: it's not hot here :P | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | toma: yes, kdelibs is a pain to work on sometimes... | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | not to say everytime :) | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: what's it doing? | 04:26 |
| toma | Tonio_: but it is making apidox now, so the end is near | 04:26 |
| === hunger is sitting in the cellar with his laptop and still sweating. | ||
| Hobbsee | lol | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | toma: cool | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: we're trying to patch a specific khtml function that would be very usefull to activate for edgy | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I'm building too, doing another test on my own | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ahhh.... | 04:27 |
| hunger | damn aptitude! It litteraly takes minutes to start up:-( | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: sure you'll love it.... if we succeed | 04:30 |
| toma | we will succeed | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: hehe | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | toma: for sure yes ! | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: and then you'll tackle other packages ;p | 04:30 |
| === hunger is trying to get his feet wet with kde4. | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: which ones ? | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: well, knetworkmanager, hopefully. and the powersave/kpowersave stuff if you're brave. | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | hum concerning knetworkmanager, depends on the changelog, because of uvf, and concerning kpowersave, yes, lots of chances I'm updating it | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i think lure was looking at it, but was busy. i do have a version REVU, which you're free to examine, but i expect that parts of it arent right - just because i dont know the codebase. | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: also, there's a networkmanager 0.6.4 that isnt in repos - might be worht upgrading both, and getting a UVF report, i'm not sure | 04:36 |
| hunger | It would be nice if networkmanager could get its own start/stop script... I keep having to restart it and it is a pita having to bring down dbus for that. | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | killall networkmanager? | 04:38 |
| === Hobbsee ducks | ||
| Hobbsee | oh yay. more syncs. | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | ho my goooooooooood !!!!!!! | 04:39 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Yeap, that works of course;-) | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: :P | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: what's up? | 04:39 |
| === Hobbsee notes that kde 3.5.4 is due to be tagged tomorrow. | ||
| Tonio_ | there is a french website where people can subscribe and try to search for old friends... | 04:39 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: But ubuntu is supposed to be for human beings, not for geeks;-) | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: heh, true. | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | can you imagin my first love I didn't saw for 10 years just emailed me ? ;) | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | my god ! | 04:40 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Thinking about it: initscripts are rather geekish themselves:-) | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: heh, true | 04:40 |
| === Hobbsee is a geek. you should see her birthday card. | ||
| hunger | Hobbsee: Oh, I believe that:-) You would be hanging out in the mall if you weren't;-) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: heh, at 1am? | 04:42 |
| === Hobbsee certainly wouldnt have bothered coming home. grumble grumble. | ||
| hunger | Hobbsee: dunno what these young people do nowadays... to be frank: I did not even when I was one of them. | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: heh | 04:44 |
| === hunger is wondering if anyone here will travel to akademy in september. | ||
| hunger | I guess Riddell will be there. | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | yay, another sync. | 04:47 |
| === Hobbsee wont be. | ||
| === Hobbsee has no passport | ||
| hunger | Hobbsee: Are you american? | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: nope | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: i'm in sydney, australia | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | first i'm asked if i'm a new zealander, then i'm asked if i'm an american. sigh. ;p | 04:48 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Oh, no wonder it is not hot at your place... it must be winter there. | 04:48 |
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| hunger | Hmmm... frequency scaling seemes borked in edgy on my box. Does it work for someone? | 04:48 |
| hunger | Why do I buy a 2,something GHz CPU when it keeps getting stuck at 800MHz? | 04:49 |
| === hunger sighs. | ||
| Hobbsee | hunger: hehe, yes ;) | 04:50 |
| hunger | OTOH: This does explain why aptitude takes *AGES* to read in its data. Or at least I hope so. | 04:51 |
| === Hobbsee continues the merges. well, the syncs. | ||
| raphink | go go go Hobbsee | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: hehe | 04:54 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:54 |
| hunger | aptitude takes so long to update its data that I need to update again right after it is done:-( | 04:54 |
| hunger | Hi raphink | 04:54 |
| raphink | hi hunger | 04:54 |
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| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 04:55 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 04:56 |
| toma | Tonio_: sorry, i leave it to you... | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I can understand | 04:57 |
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| hunger | So what is decided wrt. zeroconf? There is so much noise about it on the ML that I can not make out what will happen with it now. | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | no idea, i stopped watching. | 05:01 |
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| Tonio_ | grmpf......... it doesn't work | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | toma: what were your letest tests ? | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | latests test sorry | 05:03 |
| toma | i tried to make sense out the debugging... | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | toma: okay | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | I'm sure we're missing something very simple | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | it doesn't make sense the value gets back from positive to negative... | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | there is certainly something very simple we're missing... I'l investigate all the night if necessary but I'll find | 05:05 |
| toma | http://rafb.net/paste/results/7ETXbH43.html | 05:05 |
| toma | something turns it negative | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | the value does this : 1 -> 2 -> 3 .... -> 8 -> -8 -> -7... | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | I don't see how... | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | but that's it | 05:06 |
| toma | that can only happen when deltaY <=0 | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | so the problem is with the delta | 05:08 |
| toma | but we dont need that | 05:08 |
| toma | so the *= can maybe change to a = | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | yes that's my thought too | 05:08 |
| toma | have fun rebuilding ;-) | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | toma: will do :) | 05:09 |
| toma | i'm rebuilding as well though | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | the build is stlighly faster with ccache | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | ajmitch: thanks or the tip, very aooreciated ;) | 05:09 |
| toma | building in svn right now, even faster i think | 05:09 |
| toma | especially when additional changes are neede | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | toma: int deltaX = point.x() - d->m_mouseScrollIndicator->x() - 24; | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | -24 is because we're on a base of 25 px | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | we probably shoud remove this | 05:13 |
| toma | maybe | 05:13 |
| toma | it is the bottom of the indicator | 05:13 |
| toma | so you want to caclulate from the bottom of the indicator or the middle? | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | probably the middle | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | *jaw drops* | 05:22 |
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| hunger | toma: Yeap.... running make -j 20 is fun;-) | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you around, at all? | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | oh, wait, he's at LGL | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: ah, that's why he is on mute for 24 hours :) | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: yep | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i was thinking of getting kopete 0.12.1 backported to dapper, or put into dapper-updates | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | toma: http://rafb.net/paste/results/iSjGvc87.html my latest patch in build | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | toma: if that doesn't work, I'll really need an explanation on why is the value changed to negative.... | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: it is possible as long as it builds without any modifications... | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: does it compile with kde 3.5.2 ? | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: no idea. | 05:32 |
| toma | Tonio_: it can not change to negative in your patch | 05:32 |
| toma | should be fine | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: you should test in a dapper pbuilder | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: yeah, i will. i just got another report about it. | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | toma: the point is the old code wasn't supposed to change it to negative too... | 05:33 |
| toma | not sure the baviour with pow will be desirable... It will go fast soon... | 05:33 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: hum, what would you suggest instead ? | 05:46 |
| toma | Tonio_: maybe just lineair, but experiments would be best | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | toma: well, let's fff something working with pow and then another cleaner way to do it ;) | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | s/fff/find (delay cause by pbuilder sorry) | 05:48 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: you should give a try at ccache for pbuilder, it really reduces the built time... about 30% here | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | hey \sh | 06:09 |
| \sh | hey tonio... | 06:11 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: my patch fuchin fails........ | 06:31 |
| Tonio_ | arghhhhhhhhh | 06:32 |
| toma | why? | 06:32 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand the but the value is still reversed | 06:32 |
| toma | negative? | 06:32 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 06:32 |
| Tonio_ | I don't see how, but we miss something | 06:33 |
| Tonio_ | something certainly obvious | 06:33 |
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| Tonio_ | okay let's restart in another way to do | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | toma: during your debug, what was the tested value ? | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | isn't there a post calculation on it, like if bla > 8 then blabla ? | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | there is certainly something like this outside the file | 06:36 |
| toma | delta, abs and m_mousescrollby | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | and which one is the reversed one that changes the others ? | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | delta ? | 06:37 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18626 | 06:43 |
| Tonio_ | that's ugly, but that CANNOT fail | 06:43 |
| Tonio_ | unless the value is changed somewhere else | 06:43 |
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| toma | Tonio_: yep | 06:45 |
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| === Tonio_ patches kopete to get hoverclosebutton on its tabs...... | ||
| Tonio_ | this one at least is easy to figureout :) | 06:56 |
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| toma | Tonio_: your patch does not work | 07:07 |
| toma | something is limiting it at 7 | 07:08 |
| Tonio_ | toma: still reverted ? | 07:08 |
| toma | yes | 07:08 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf....... | 07:08 |
| Tonio_ | so if we find that limitation, we can remove it.......; let's search | 07:08 |
| toma | deltaY is not turning to nagative, so that is not the cause | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | the value is read somewhere and potentially changed.... let's find out where | 07:09 |
| toma | no | 07:10 |
| toma | it is in that routine | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | // qt includes and classes | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | #include <qscrollview.h> | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | could it be in qt directly ? | 07:11 |
| toma | konqueror: 1 deltaY 128 adY 128 - 1 | 07:11 |
| toma | konqueror: 2 deltaY 128 adY 128 - -8 | 07:11 |
| toma | before and after the if statement | 07:11 |
| toma | so the if results in negative number | 07:12 |
| toma | ah | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | hum, how can we get 2 different values with the same deltaY ??? | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | I don't see the point | 07:13 |
| toma | the if statement converts m_mouseScrollByY to something negative | 07:14 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: how is it possible ? | 07:16 |
| toma | i have an idea | 07:16 |
| Tonio_ | toma: which is ?* | 07:17 |
| toma | yeah, works | 07:18 |
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| toma | Tonio_: one second, need two more tests | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 07:20 |
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| toma | Tonio_: trying to find some good values now | 07:26 |
| toma | the problem is around line 391 | 07:27 |
| Tonio_ | toma: hum, I must say I'm a bit lost now :) since I don't have all the infos, but it looks like you are in progress, so it's okay :) | 07:27 |
| Tonio_ | I must say I don't understand how can the if change this but........ | 07:27 |
| toma | there the bandwidth is limited to 4 | 07:27 |
| Tonio_ | bandwidth ? | 07:27 |
| toma | not sure about the details, remove the :4 and the values can exceed the 8 | 07:28 |
| Tonio_ | toma: hum, variable size issue issue ? | 07:29 |
| toma | yep | 07:29 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's test | 07:29 |
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| toma | Tonio_: there is a need for the -24 | 07:30 |
| Tonio_ | toma: yes I've seen this :) | 07:31 |
| toma | else you are totally unable to stop it | 07:31 |
| toma | Tonio_: http://rafb.net/paste/results/US3SgP27.html | 07:32 |
| toma | seems to provide the best results for me | 07:32 |
| toma | i tried a couple of values, these work the most natural for me | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | tome cool :) | 07:34 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: would you suggest this more than exp so far ? | 07:34 |
| toma | what was that pow again? | 07:35 |
| toma | i can test quickly now | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I wanted to make acceleration exponential | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | let me show you again | 07:36 |
| toma | Tonio_: it is already with my patch | 07:36 |
| toma | for my feeling | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | toma: okay lets test and if it's okay, let's keep it like that | 07:37 |
| toma | if you have that pow formula at hand i can test it | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | hum yes just wait a second | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | toto = (int)(deltaY / 25) | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | and then set the value to pow(2,toto) | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | that should give a pretty rendering too :) | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | hehe the kopete patch works | 07:40 |
| Tonio_ | hop uploading | 07:40 |
| toma | Tonio_: up does not work anymore | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | hu ? | 07:43 |
| toma | ah, the abs is needed | 07:43 |
| Tonio_ | hehe ;) | 07:43 |
| toma | else - * - | 07:43 |
| toma | Tonio_: ok, but it is too fast | 07:44 |
| Tonio_ | toma: great let's use the first idea (*0.1) | 07:45 |
| Tonio_ | toma: MANY, MANY thanks :) | 07:45 |
| Tonio_ | for the time and the pain | 07:45 |
| toma | devided by 50 is pretty ok | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | toma: okay I am able to test now, you did enough and lost enough time :) | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | fyi I'l probably patch konsole for hoverclosebutton too :) | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | it works perfectly with kopete | 07:48 |
| toma | okido | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | needs to be patched too ? | 07:49 |
| toma | the pow version is difficult to stop | 07:49 |
| toma | forget that | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | toma: okay let's forget it | 07:49 |
| toma | Tonio_: anything else kdelibs related? | 07:52 |
| toma | i'm now setup, so i can do those quickly now | 07:52 |
| Tonio_ | toma: how do you do ? manual compilation ? | 07:52 |
| toma | yes | 07:52 |
| Tonio_ | okay ;) It looks ended for today until I find something else to do | 07:52 |
| toma | running kdelibs from svn instead of the kubuntu version | 07:52 |
| toma | oki | 07:54 |
| toma | Tonio_: wasn't there something about a kcm which needed to change when there is no smb ? | 07:54 |
| toma | okido, returning to kubuntu kdelibs then | 07:58 |
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| Tonio_ | toma: I'll probably increase the speed a bit, firefox is about twice as speed as this | 08:26 |
| Tonio_ | on very long pages, that's of any use | 08:26 |
| Tonio_ | like planet.ubuntu.com | 08:26 |
| toma | oki | 08:26 |
| Tonio_ | toma: otherwise livelly ;) | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | lovelly | 08:30 |
| toma | yeah, im almost tempted to use it | 08:31 |
| Tonio_ | toma: that's pretty usefull when you are used to use it | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | most firefox users use that all the time | 08:32 |
| toma | i like pasting urls with middle click | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | toma: still possible, middle click on the tab bar, it works | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | you can also middle click on a link too | 08:32 |
| toma | cool | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | just that you have to middle click on the tabbar and not the page | 08:33 |
| toma | yes | 08:33 |
| toma | doable | 08:33 |
| toma | nice tip | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | yes, that brings more functionnality with a minimum issues | 08:34 |
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| kwwii | re | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | moins | 10:26 |
| bddebian | Hello kwwii, imbrandon | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | heya bddebian | 10:29 |
| kwwii | howdy bddebian, imbrandon | 10:29 |
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| DaSkreech | back in black | 11:59 |
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