[12:09] <Tonio_> you see what it does now ?
[12:09] <Tonio_> central click allows to up and down in the page
[12:09] <toma> yep
[12:09] <Tonio_> the problem is that with very long pages, it is really slow
[12:09] <Tonio_> on firefox the speed is proportionnal the same way but max speed is by far better
[12:09] <toma> isnt that limited to your computer?
[12:09] <Tonio_> toma I do't think so
[12:10] <Tonio_> try with firefox and you'll see the difference
[12:10] <Tonio_> I'd like to have that enabled in kubuntu, but it would be better to increase the max speed in some way
[12:10] <Tonio_> opera does the same, but max speed is really better too
[12:10] <toma> ok, let me have a look
[12:10] <Tonio_> I tested on many machines with konq, the speed it always limited :)
[12:10] <toma> give me a few minutes
[12:10] <Tonio_> toma: fantastic, thanks :)
[12:11] <Tonio_> toma: let's become the "kde "ultimate settings team"  ;)
[12:11] <toma> haha ;-)
[12:13] <toma> setting is called MouseMiddleClickClosesTab
[12:16] <toma> hmm, no ;-) that is another feature appearantly
[12:17] <toma> OpenMiddleClick is the one
[12:22] <Tonio_> toma: okay
[12:23] <Tonio_> I was packaging, so I didn't check what was the konqerorrc entry :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> the point is I'm affraid the speed is hardcoded........
[12:23] <toma> it is not in kdebase/konqueror in any case
[12:23] <Tonio_> toma: hum ?
[12:23] <Tonio_> would it be kdelibs ?
[12:23] <toma> i think in kdelibs
[12:24] <Tonio_> that's strange since it is an konqueror only function
[12:24] <toma> still searching
[12:24] <Tonio_> thanks :)
[12:24] <Tonio_> packages are ready, waiting for Riddell's opinion and I'll upload
[12:25] <toma> eeks: http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2006/07/new-blood.html
[12:27] <Tonio_> I don't disagree his opinion
[12:27] <Tonio_> the point is kde translations are REALLY better than gnome ones
[12:27] <Tonio_> so rosetta can be very usefull for gnome, but I already have seen phrases that have been changed in dapper, and in the bad way
[12:28] <Tonio_> since the original kde translation was better
[12:28] <toma> Tonio_: i agree to that as well. It is a usefull tool for ubuntu as a distribution, it just does not hold for kde.
[12:29] <Tonio_> but on the other way, I don't think involving anonymous users to contribute is a bad thing
[12:29] <Tonio_> so many people don't even have an idea of how to contribute
[12:29] <toma> i'll bring it up on the next meeting...
[12:29] <Tonio_> toma: the point is that we will not remove this
[12:30] <Tonio_> because it is on canonicals plans, and kubuntu is a part of the global ubuntu project...
[12:30] <Tonio_> we can discuss it, but that will not be debatable I think
[12:30] <toma> look at khtml/khtmlview.cpp, line 933
[12:30] <Tonio_> in kdebase ?
[12:30] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:30] <toma> Tonio_: kdelibs
[12:31] <Tonio_> hum !!!!!!!!!! khtml is part of kdelibs of course.......; I'm stupid
[12:31] <toma> no, line 349
[12:31] <toma> 394
[12:32] <toma> increase 4 to whatever
[12:32] <Tonio_>         d->m_mouseScroll_byX = 0;
[12:32] <Tonio_>         d->m_mouseScroll_byY = 0;
[12:32] <Tonio_> ah okay, that's just the initialisation
[12:32] <Tonio_> looking
[12:32] <toma> line 394
[12:32] <Tonio_> okay that give the acceleration
[12:32] <Tonio_> great !
[12:33] <Tonio_> let's make tests
[12:33] <Tonio_> toma: you are the man
[12:34] <Tonio_> okayh let's test
[12:37] <Tonio_> toma: testing to find the good acceleration factor will take time........ kdelibs is quite long to package for each test
[12:37] <toma> there should be a setting to show/unshow the mouse scroll indicator
[12:38] <toma> do you know ehere that is located?
[12:39] <Tonio_> it doesn't exist graphically...
[12:39] <Tonio_> unseenable, unsetable...
[12:39] <Tonio_> if it where, that would already be in dapper lol :)
[12:41] <Tonio_> toma: talking about the blog post, one thing we must not forget is that is doesn't conern only kde, but all kde based apps, including universe ones
[12:41] <Tonio_> and most of them aren't translated at all
[12:42] <Tonio_> so the point is that is can be weird for the standard kdebase apps, but very usefull to get close to a full translated system
[12:42] <toma> sure. but it hurts kde imho
[12:43] <toma> so the procedures for them should change a bit
[12:43] <Tonio_> toma: yes, but that would make a double stuff to maintain/support
[12:45] <toma> accelaration is around line 1107 btw
[12:49] <toma> Tonio_: try this http://rafb.net/paste/results/693SdM64.html
[12:49] <toma> Tonio_: your current compiel can be aborted, it won't work ;-(
[12:50] <Tonio_> okay
[12:51] <Tonio_> are those the good ones ?
[12:51] <Tonio_> tesging
[12:51] <Tonio_> testing
[12:51] <toma> not sure, we might extend the else construction with one row, for super accellaration
[12:52] <Tonio_> hum true
[12:52] <toma> do you want that right now?
[12:52] <Tonio_> the point is that you have several speeds, but this isn't proportionnal with the distance from the cursor to the click point
[12:52] <Tonio_> this is how firefox works
[12:52] <Tonio_> it is very nice
[12:52] <toma> ah ok, thats even better
[12:52] <toma> we can do that
[12:53] <Tonio_> yes
[12:53] <Tonio_> I can do the algo but not the code....
[12:53] <Tonio_> the point is I don't know C++
[12:53] <Tonio_> can you help me on that point ?
[12:53] <toma> yes, should not be that hard
[12:54] <Tonio_> let's take 25 px -> 2
[12:55] <Tonio_> d->m_mouseScroll_byX *= adX/12.5
[12:55] <Tonio_> but that isn't valid c++ I assume :)
[12:55] <toma> not sure. 
[12:56] <Tonio_> we can devide per 10 probably
[12:56] <toma> let me check
[12:56] <Tonio_> d->m_mouseScroll_byX *= adX*0.1
[12:56] <Tonio_> that has better chances to work ;)
[12:56] <toma> that might work
[12:56] <Tonio_> let's gooooooooooooooooooo
[12:58] <toma> probably we have to round it a bit
[12:58] <toma> else the compiler will complain
[12:58] <toma> so, we could go for the easy way out by converting it to an int.
[12:58] <Tonio_> why didn't they did that way ???
[12:58] <Tonio_> proportional is by far better
[12:58] <toma> no idea, but we will find out probably
[12:59] <Tonio_> sure
[01:00] <Tonio_> if we fail we can still add lots of values...
[01:00] <Tonio_> >100 > 125 etc...
[01:00] <toma> indeed
[01:02] <toma> me tries to find a quick setup to test compilation
[01:02] <Tonio_> toma: it is already in build here, but it'll take a bit of time :)
[01:02] <Tonio_> I'm on a laptop, not a dual core :)
[01:02] <toma> i'm pretty sure it will fail, as it will not result in an int
[01:03] <Tonio_> hum
[01:03] <toma> but let it run as long as i'm struggling here
[01:03] <Tonio_> that's possible
[01:03] <Tonio_> round() somewhere ?
[01:04] <Tonio_> we can devide by 10 and round the value
[01:04] <toma> that would mean an include math.h is needed. 
[01:04] <Tonio_> hum...
[01:04] <toma> we can cast it to an int
[01:04] <Tonio_> how ?
[01:05] <Tonio_> if lengh(bla) > 1 then split (bla, 0, 1) ?
[01:05] <toma> probably using ...*= (int)(adX*.0.1)
[01:05] <Tonio_> I don't know if c++ allow textual functions on numvers
[01:05] <Tonio_> numbers
[01:06] <Tonio_> no .h file to include for this ?
[01:06] <toma> no
[01:06] <Tonio_> cool
[01:06] <Tonio_> okay noted in case it fails
[01:07] <toma> did you leave in that it only should happen after 25 pixels?
[01:07] <Tonio_> nope
[01:07] <toma> maybe that is friendly as well
[01:07] <Tonio_> in firefox 2 pix and it works
[01:07] <Tonio_> you really should give a try at firefox conerning this
[01:07] <Tonio_> it is pretty cool like this
[01:08] <toma> it does not work for me in firefox
[01:08] <Tonio_> hu ?
[01:08] <toma> nothing happens
[01:08] <toma> middleclick
[01:08] <Tonio_> maybe the lin ux version needs that to be activated let me checl
[01:08] <Tonio_> on the windows version it is activated out of the box
[01:09] <toma> ok, it might compile fine, just with a warning
[01:09] <Tonio_> toma: go in firefox prefs, advances, use automatic blabla
[01:09] <Tonio_> you can activate it there
[01:09] <toma> oki
[01:10] <Tonio_> the proportionnal thing is really MUCH better
[01:10] <toma> works...it is really difficult to pauze the scrolling to read up
[01:10] <Tonio_> really ?
[01:11] <toma> it is always moving unless you point the mouse to the middle
[01:11] <Tonio_> toma: reclick on middle click ;)
[01:11] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:11] <Tonio_> hum, I must say I have a very precise mouse, but I don't have any issue in going back to the center
[01:12] <Tonio_> G7 laser pawa
[01:12] <toma> Tonio_: ok, it shoudl compile
[01:13] <toma> if (adY > 25) d->m_mouseScroll_byY *= adY*0.1;
[01:13] <toma>          else d->m_mouseScroll_byY = 0;
[01:13] <toma> if you want to lock movement the first 25
[01:13] <Tonio_> I'l probably do with 10
[01:13] <Tonio_> 10 bottom and 10 top makes a 20 pix zone
[01:13] <Tonio_> should be enought
[01:14] <toma> right
[01:14] <toma> where does NMU strand for?
[01:15] <toma> stand
[01:15] <Tonio_> Non Maintainer Upgrade
[01:15] <toma> ah, ok
[01:15] <Tonio_> it is when the changelog name and maintainer name in control are different
[01:15] <Tonio_> debian cares this, but we don't give a shit :)
[01:15] <toma> yes, i noticed that difference
[01:16] <toma> Tonio_: bbi 10 minutes, are you still around then?
[01:17] <Tonio_> toma: yes
[01:18] <Tonio_> toma: if it works nicelly this patch could be proposed to kde I think
[01:19] <Tonio_> since most firefox people using this function (windows ones for example) really regret this functionnality sucks in konq...
[01:26] <toma> back
[01:26] <toma> i can commit it to trunk / kde4 yes
[01:26] <toma> for kde 3.5.5 only if i write a good mail ;-)
[01:27] <toma> and it is tested well by users of edgy
[01:36] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:36] <Tonio_> it'll be tested
[02:02] <toma> done yet?
[02:07] <Tonio_> toma: nope, still building........
[02:07] <Tonio_> I had a crash during the first build, no left space on device...
[02:07] <Tonio_> edgy migration increased the size of my apt cache :)
[02:08] <toma> ouch
[02:08] <toma> i just installed 160gb extra to try an edgy install soon and a kde4
[02:24] <toma> and because my current hd is giving me troubles now and then
[03:00] <Tonio_> toma: it doesn't work very nicelly
[03:00] <Tonio_> the speed changes in a strange way........
[03:00] <Tonio_> weird
[03:00] <Tonio_> I may try with (int) maybe
[03:00] <toma> can you send me the build?
[03:00] <toma> edgy or dapper?
[03:01] <Tonio_> edgy....
[03:01] <Tonio_> is it okay ?
[03:01] <toma> i'm not on dapper
[03:01] <toma> edgy
[03:02] <toma> i'll build it tomorrow 
[03:02] <Tonio_> +	d->m_mouseScroll_byX *= adX*0.1;
[03:02] <Tonio_> +	d->m_mouseScroll_byY *= adX*0.1;
[03:02] <Tonio_> ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[03:02] <toma> i think we can loose the *= and change that to =
[03:02] <Tonio_> I'm a fuckin' stupid.........
[03:02] <toma> haha
[03:02] <toma> yes
[03:03] <Tonio_> rebuiding.........
[03:04] <toma> how is the horizontal scrolling?
[03:05] <crimsun> wow, that's an odd bug
[03:12] <toma> Tonio_: i'll not wait on that build, nite
[03:26] <Tonio_> crimsun: well, it is probably due to the fact than it is 3:30 am too :)
[03:27] <crimsun> that, too. :-)
[03:27] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:27] <bddebian> Hello
[03:27] <Tonio_> hey bddebian
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[03:43] <Tonio_> why do I make so stupid things on a package that takes more than one hour to build ? :'(
[03:43] <bddebian> Tonio_: We all do
[03:44] <Tonio_> bddebian: true !
[04:22] <crimsun> tonio would love ccache.
[04:39] <bddebian> heh
[04:53] <Hobbsee> morning all!
[05:06] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[05:06] <imbrandon> whats that ?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: a card that works without ndiswrapper!
[05:06] <imbrandon> a new mac lappy ?
[05:07] <imbrandon> heheh
[05:07] <Hobbsee> pft
[05:12] <imbrandon> crimsun: you ever use distcc ?
[06:04] <crimsun> imbrandon: I've used it
[06:04] <imbrandon> know if its possible to get dpkg-buildpackage to use it ?
[06:05] <crimsun> yes, but I don't know the details offhand
[06:05] <crimsun> you shouldn't have to do anything special to dpkg*
[06:05] <imbrandon> k cool, i will continue my quest then
[06:06] <imbrandon> hrm well i wanted to do it without chaging the makeflags of the source 
[06:10] <kwwii> moin
[06:19] <nixternal> moin kwwii
[06:20] <kwwii> howdy nixternal
[06:20] <kwwii> happy birthday hobbsee :-)
[06:20] <nixternal> 18
[06:20] <kwwii> damn kids
[06:20] <nixternal> hehe
[06:21] <nixternal> they are getting smarter and smarter as well
[06:21] <crimsun> 18?! Man, I feel ancient.
[06:21] <kwwii> hehe
[06:21] <kwwii> yeah, no shit
[06:21] <nixternal> you are ;)
[06:21] <crimsun> nixternal: I bet I'm younger than you :-p
[06:21] <nixternal> bet your not ;)
[06:21] <crimsun> ok fine, at least I'm younger than Lamont :-p
[06:21] <nixternal> haha
[06:21] <nixternal> lamont off of sanford and son?
[06:21] <nixternal> ;)
[06:22] <crimsun> hah
[06:22] <nixternal> hehe
[06:46] <DaSkreech> HI nixternal
[06:47] <nixternal> hiya DaSkreech
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Interesting Newsletter 
[06:47] <nixternal> it is in the process of editing
[06:48] <nixternal> #7 isn't even close to being ready
[06:48] <nixternal> it just has the news..now it needs to be put to template and released...reworded, tweaked, you name it
[06:49] <kwwii> nixternal: the fact that you know lamont of sanford and son tells me that you are pretty old :p
[06:49] <nixternal> hehe
[06:49] <nixternal> i grew up to that. red foxx is one of my favorites
[06:49] <nixternal> sanford and on, all in the family...classics
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Mutha . Father!
[06:49] <nixternal> hehe
[06:50] <nixternal> aunt esther...and fred..they would kill me
[06:50] <nixternal> ok..i need a ubuntu theme page/site at chi.ubuntu-us.org
[06:50] <nixternal> ;_
[06:50] <nixternal> hehe
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Young uns
[06:52] <crimsun> you're definitely a fogey.
[06:52] <nixternal> never
[06:52] <DaSkreech> I'll be like 18 in .. sometime
[06:52] <crimsun> whippersnapper.
[06:53] <abattoir> ok, so i *was* right, it *was* a TV show... 
[06:53] <abattoir> hmmm 1972-1977
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Woah older than me 
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Though I do remember desmonds
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Which I see no one else remembers
[06:56] <crimsun> (I was actually referring to LaMont Jones, the DD, who is in his 40s.)
[06:57] <kwwii> hehe
[06:57] <imbrandon> heheh i was thinking sanford and sons ;)
[06:57] <imbrandon> son*
[06:57] <nixternal> green acres?
[06:57] <imbrandon> ouch
[06:57] <nixternal> haha
[06:57] <nixternal> nick at night and tvland own me
[06:58] <imbrandon> lol
[06:58] <DaSkreech> OF course if anyone backs out the original airings of The Shadow I'm outta here
[06:59] <imbrandon> ( unsuccessfully i might add )
[06:59] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: lol
[06:59] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: what about starsky and huch ?
[06:59] <imbrandon> lol
[06:59] <DaSkreech> The Shadow is older :)
[07:00] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: That's cute where did you get the Bear shirt?
[07:00] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder whom is the old man on campus that hangs in -motu or one of the -devel's 
[07:01] <kwwii> imbrandon: nice pic :-)
[07:01] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: i have no idea man lol that was almost a year and a half ago
[07:01] <imbrandon> kwwii: thanks
[07:02] <kwwii> for a long time, I thought I was old but now I meet people online that are even older :p
[07:02] <imbrandon> heh
[07:04] <crimsun> I tend to avoid photos if possible
[07:04] <kwwii> hehe, I shaved my head for the last 7 years too hide my balding
[07:04] <kwwii> now I finally have hair again
[07:05] <kwwii> in between jobs, I figured that I could risk trying to see if it will grow anymore :p
[07:05] <imbrandon> lol yea
[07:06] <kwwii> so now I have this funny, kinda bozo the clown meets christopher walken look
[07:07] <imbrandon> bwhahahah omg i just pictured that 
[07:07] <imbrandon> heh afk freakin kernel panics
[07:07] <imbrandon> heh everytime i have seen you kwwii you have a beanie cap on
[07:07] <kwwii> what is your kernel afraid of? :-)
[07:08] <imbrandon> grrr well i was trying to install debian proper on this other box
[07:08] <kwwii> ahhhaaaa, sorry we do not support that here :p
[07:08] <imbrandon> but right after install it panics, lol ( notes *buntu runs fine on same hardware ) /me looks for the problem 
[07:08] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Falling haair or rising gas prices one of the two I'll bet
[07:09] <imbrandon> heh kwwii we dont support osx either and thats what i'm on atm ;)
[07:09] <imbrandon> shhh
[07:09] <kwwii> DaSkreech: dude, the gas price here is getting fscking crazy
[07:09] <kwwii> hehe
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Fuel System consumption killing?
[07:11] <kwwii> it is around 1.40 Euro per Liter 
[07:11] <imbrandon> ouch
[07:11] <imbrandon> its about 2.90 USD here or so last i looked
[07:11] <kwwii> imagine paying $5 or so for a gallon
[07:12] <imbrandon> yea that sucks
[07:12] <kwwii> time to sell the mercedes and buy a honda again
[07:12] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:12] <imbrandon> get a ethonol ( sp? ) car
[07:13] <imbrandon> or a sunlight one
[07:13] <kwwii> actually I was thinking of natural gas
[07:13] <imbrandon> ye
[07:13] <imbrandon> a
[07:13] <DaSkreech> It's like 60 dollars a litre
[07:13] <imbrandon> gah this sucks /me hates this ( debian proper not working )
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Plus now we gotta pay to drive on the roads
[07:14] <imbrandon> ohh well i dont have time to fsk with it
[07:15] <abattoir> DaSkreech: London?
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Doh!
[07:15] <kwwii> hehe, I found a pic of my family: http://bootsplash.org/family.jpg
[07:15] <DaSkreech> John Woo is not making the next TMNT movie
[07:15] <DaSkreech> abattoir: No I said dollars
[07:16] <imbrandon> kwwii: nice , cool pic
[07:16] <kwwii> thnx
[07:16] <abattoir> DaSkreech: oh ok, i though London, because of the Road Pricing thing, but now they are having it all over the world...
[07:16] <abattoir> *thought
[07:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah the Govt sold our roads to the french so now we have to pay them to drive on it
[07:17] <kwwii> lol
[07:17] <abattoir> hehe
[07:18] <DaSkreech> bootsplash.org
[07:18] <DaSkreech> That's a fortunate URL
[07:18] <kwwii> DaSkreech: well, I co-authored the first bootsplash
[07:19] <abattoir> i had an old monitor/video card, never worked :(
[07:19] <kwwii> the first bootsplash ever for linux, so the domain was easy to find
[07:19] <DaSkreech> I just went to the home page and surmised something like that
[07:19] <kwwii> actually, I think I made up the word "bootsplash"
[07:19] <imbrandon> hehehe wouldent doubt it
[07:20] <kwwii> abattoir: I can point you to lots of new cards that do not work either
[07:20] <imbrandon> inbetween jobs? i thought you were on contract with canonical kwwii 
[07:20] <kwwii> imbrandon: I worked for SUSE for the last 7 years
[07:20] <abattoir> kwwii: its still in active development? or has it morphed into something else ?
[07:21] <kwwii> abattoir: it is still being developed but I am no longer working on it
[07:21] <imbrandon> kwwii: i know that i ment now
[07:21] <kwwii> eventually I will migrate to my new domain and get rid of bootsplash.org
[07:21] <kwwii> imbrandon: yeah, now I am contracting for canonical
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Hmm I wonder if they have a URL for the Stuff Lunak tossed into kwin
[07:22] <kwwii> "artist in chief" (what a corny name)
[07:22] <abattoir> heh
[07:22] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Ask them to just Give you Master Chief
[07:22] <imbrandon> lol
[07:22] <nixternal> imbrandon needs to get me some ubuntu themeage!!!
[07:22] <DaSkreech> For some rason young uns' think that's a cool name nowadays :)
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Reason
[07:23] <kwwii> lol
[07:23] <imbrandon> nixternal: i'm working on "themes" for buntudot.org i might get up this weekend 
[07:23] <kwwii> imbrandon: not so bad though
[07:23] <kwwii> you could simply update a few things and it would look fresh again
[07:23] <imbrandon> but trying to whip art.ubuntu.com into shape atm
[07:23] <kwwii> hehe, I was born in kansas city :-)
[07:23] <imbrandon> so not time
[07:24] <imbrandon> kwwii: was you? nice i was born and raised here, moved a few diffrent places and just reciently moved back
[07:24] <nixternal> if ubuntu is FOSS, how come i can't download the theme they use for ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com, or the fridge.ubuntu.com???  that would be a plone theme, moinmoin theme, and a drupal theme
[07:24] <nixternal> made sure i covered all 3 ;)
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Cause they are 1337
[07:25] <imbrandon> nixternal: ask newz2000 he will prbbably get it for you, i dont wanna rip it off the art.u.c server becosue i dont know how its licensed
[07:25] <kwwii> imbrandon: I'll be in St. Louis in about two weeks visiting my family
[07:25] <nixternal> imbrandon: obviously it has to be open, since the forums got it
[07:26] <imbrandon> kwwii: nice , let me know i got family there too ( cupple uncles , my grandma and dad ) and we can hookup for a beer ort coffee or somethin if you will have time
[07:26] <imbrandon> its only about 3.5 hours from KC
[07:26] <imbrandon> not a big drive 
[07:26] <kwwii> imbrandon: I'll do that :-)
[07:27] <kwwii> :D
[07:27] <imbrandon> actualy you knoew where offallon IL is outside east stl ? thats where they all live
[07:28] <imbrandon> st claire county i think
[07:28] <DaSkreech> kwwii: So going to whip up some cool new compositing effects for us? :)
[07:28] <imbrandon> how'd you end up in germany ( isnt that where you are ) , suse ?
[07:30] <kwwii> DaSkreech: hehe, once I have a computer on which it works, sure :-)
[07:31] <kwwii> I have 4 computers and 5 ATI cards
[07:31] <imbrandon> lol
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Hmm Hey kwwii Where does the KGHNS for the wallpapers point to?
[07:31] <imbrandon> damm apples ;)
[07:31] <kwwii> imbrandon: exactly
[07:31] <abattoir> DaSkreech: ~/.kde/share/wallpapers iirc
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Well they just dropped support for it into kwin :)
[07:31] <kwwii> KGHNS?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Huh?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> KDE....
[07:32] <imbrandon> kghns ? 
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Get Hot...
[07:32] <abattoir> oh sorry, kde-look.org
[07:32] <kwwii> ahhh
[07:32] <DaSkreech> New Stuff?
[07:32] <kwwii> yeah, kde-look.org
[07:32] <abattoir> i though you asked where they are downloaded to
[07:32] <kwwii> KGetHotNewStuff
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Yup :)
[07:32] <kwwii> KThisIsAnotherStupidNameThatStartsWithK
[07:32] <abattoir> hehe
[07:32] <imbrandon> hahahahah
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Was wondering if we could get some of a.you.com up there
[07:33] <DaSkreech> For someone named kwwii :)
[07:33] <DaSkreech> KNintendo FTW!
[07:33] <imbrandon> heh there is a knes iirc
[07:33] <kwwii> KDE stands for Kens Desktop Environment
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Go niKsternal!
[07:34] <niKsternal> muah
[07:34] <nixternal> jeesh, freenode didn't like that
[07:35] <kwwii> unfortunately it really stood for "Kool Desktop Environment" which always reminds me of cigarettes
[07:36] <imbrandon> heh i thought it was a play on the cde klone
[07:36] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I'm of the opinion it didn't stand for anything
[07:36] <DaSkreech> It was just to make fun of CDE
[07:36] <kwwii> DaSkreech: yeah, that is what we say now
[07:37] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: nah it did WAYYY back when
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Just kause Ama Rok!s doesn't mean we go bac on prikipals
[07:37] <kwwii> DaSkreech: it is based on the CDE name idea, but in german all C's are K's
[07:38] <imbrandon> kommon desktop enviornment
[07:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Kooky?
[07:38] <kwwii> hehe
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Kause we're Kreepy and Kooky
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Mysterious and spooky
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Bah only old people get that  joke
[07:39] <imbrandon> sounds like the begning to scooby doo
[07:39] <kwwii> I liked "Komplet" (Complete in english)
[07:39] <kwwii> since it does have pretty much everything (at least twice)
[07:39] <imbrandon> lol
[07:39] <imbrandon> yea
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Would have been funny of e got called that
[07:40] <imbrandon> ede ?
[07:40] <imbrandon> e is ugly imho ( so is stock kde too but thats beside the point )
[07:40] <kwwii> at least you can point to the one person who is responsible for making e look as it does
[07:41] <imbrandon> plasma is lookin rockin from what i have seen
[07:41] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: I used to. the new screens creep me out
[07:41] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: i just mean the "glassy" feel for everything
[07:41] <kwwii> wait till we have oxygen ready, then things will start to look nice
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Yeah too bad my attention has wandered to tenor which looks dead :(
[07:41] <imbrandon> not really the os or win deco
[07:42] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Yeah it creeps me out
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Should have lusted solid they look almost done :(
[07:43] <kwwii> royale?
[07:43] <imbrandon> i still havent prefected that glass look in inkscape / pshotoshop yet though
[07:44] <imbrandon> kwwii: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png
[07:44] <imbrandon> ^^ glassy xp look called royale
[07:45] <imbrandon> i have the howto and the images i used on buntudot.org howto section
[07:45] <kwwii> hehe, killer
[07:45] <abattoir> imbrandon: arent you the guy who has a howto for this?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Better than Fisher Price I guess
[07:45] <imbrandon> abattoir: yea its my theme ;)
[07:46] <abattoir> imbrandon: oh, yes, now i remember :)
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Yeah I go into spasms everytime I see a screenshot from him
[07:46] <imbrandon> abattoir: i run buntudot.org ( with some editing help from nixternal  and a few other great guys )
[07:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:46] <kwwii> lol
[07:46] <imbrandon> LOL
[07:47] <abattoir> imbrandon: yes, 'that', i know :)
[07:47] <abattoir> imbrandon: looks nice :)
[07:47] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: you should see my iBook screenshots , i have kde on it looking exactly like osx tiger
[07:47] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: i make the x86 look like windows xp and ibook look like osx and my amd64 is stock kde ;)
[07:48] <imbrandon> but all run kde
[07:48] <DaSkreech> I just do that to get the rage of my mac co-workers up :)
[07:48] <imbrandon> well the ibook is in osx most of the time but it does have kubuntu installed ;P
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Then I cycle through the look for all the Mac OSX releases
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Ahh Baghira :)
[07:48] <abattoir> Baghira is simply awesome
[07:48] <kwwii> the guy who made baghira is working on the oxygen style :-)
[07:48] <DaSkreech> I just like the name 
[07:49] <abattoir> i have a variation.. too bad no one else in the world other than me likes it :(
[07:49] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: yea baghira is some of it, and a karamba plugin too
[07:49] <imbrandon> and a few other touches
[07:49] <DaSkreech> and the fact that the screenshot page says I'm guessing this is the first page you clicked on
[07:49] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I'm confused about Oxygen Does it have substyles?
[07:50] <abattoir> hehe
[07:50] <kwwii> DaSkreech: nope, it is an icon theme, window deco, widget style etc.
[07:50] <abattoir> kwwii: is everaldo also working on it ?
[07:50] <kwwii> yeah, I gotta put the blue ones back
[07:50] <kwwii> abattoir: hehe, nope
[07:50] <kwwii> we asked him
[07:51] <imbrandon> abattoir: kwwii is ;P
[07:51] <kwwii> and he said he is not interested in working on a theme that he did not create by himself
[07:51] <abattoir> imbrandon: of course, was just asking...
[07:51] <imbrandon> everaldo has some NICE icons
[07:51] <kwwii> yeah, I used to be his boss :p
[07:51] <abattoir> kwwii: that's sad... hmm egos
[07:51] <imbrandon> lol cool
[07:51] <imbrandon> yea ego's suck
[07:52] <DaSkreech> The latest commit digest had a oxygen/Pinheiro
[07:52] <kwwii> the best part of oxygen is that it is 100% svg
[07:52] <imbrandon> yea
[07:52] <imbrandon> brb one sec
[07:52] <kwwii> Nuno Pinheiro, David Vignoni and myself are the oxygen team
[07:53] <DaSkreech> I know I cracked up when I saw it commited as SVN cause since SVG is code you could have versions of it :)
[07:53] <DaSkreech> With Diffs
[07:53] <kwwii> and in the meantime others have stepped up to help as well
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Ah I thought it was a subsection
[07:53] <kwwii> hehe, nope, those are dirs for the artists to store stuff in before it goes in the theme
[07:54] <DaSkreech> I showed someone at work the XML for it and he was all oh that's cool then I opened it in Konq and it came out as the KDE logo and he had this puzzled look on his face for a good while
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Cause he saw me garb the svn :) 
[07:54] <DaSkreech> grab
[07:54] <DaSkreech> stupid 1 in the morning
[07:55] <kwwii> hehe
[07:56] <imbrandon> heh
[07:56] <DaSkreech> That's pretty much when I figured out the E-vil fo XML
[07:56] <DaSkreech> When I saw someone code a picture of a house in Notepad
[07:56] <imbrandon> isnt there a script in there too to generate the png icons
[07:57] <DaSkreech> I had to close the browser and walk away cause that just changed the world
[07:57] <kwwii> imbrandon: yepp, check in the Ken dir
[07:57] <kwwii> run that script in the "svg" dir in theme
[07:57] <imbrandon> kwwii: cool,
[07:57] <DaSkreech> You can have a script build in the person's name in the icon for thier home dir :)
[07:57] <DaSkreech> In the font of their preference :)
[07:57] <DaSkreech> automagiaclly!!
[07:58] <kwwii> :-)
[07:58] <abattoir> kwwii: it uses imagemagick ?
[07:58] <DaSkreech> Cause the entire picture is well formed well structured code
[07:58] <kwwii> abattoir: yepp and inkscape
[07:58] <kwwii> but it will use batik soon instead
[07:58] <abattoir> kwwii: cool :)
[07:58] <imbrandon> batik ?
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Heck you could get a small picture of them, convert it to SVG assign it a variable and use it on the corner of all folders they own
[07:59] <kwwii> we will have it running on one of our servers
[07:59] <kwwii> oxygen-icons.org is going to get really nifty in the next few months
[07:59] <DaSkreech> But as google says Do no Evil :)
[08:00] <imbrandon> hrm is there a "easyish" way to convert a bmp based pic to svg ?
[08:00] <kwwii> well, you could trace it
[08:00] <imbrandon> heh yea
[08:00] <kwwii> but the results are usually not that nice
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Who knows anything about Tenor?
[08:01] <kwwii> well, I am part of the appeal group so I guess I know more than others
[08:02] <kwwii> for now it is pretty much dead, I guess...scott, the main dev, has no time for it, it seems
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah :(
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Ah well
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Oh back to Oxygen
[08:03] <DaSkreech> I guess the core team does all the core KDE etuff
[08:03] <DaSkreech> stuff
[08:03] <abattoir> isnt tenor the KDE4 search infrastructure thing?
[08:03] <kwwii> yepp
[08:03] <DaSkreech> what about other app writers?
[08:03] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Wasish
[08:04] <kwwii> DaSkreech: not sure I follow?
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Might get stripped down to strigi
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Well other applications not konsidered part of KDE
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Like krecipe and such
[08:04] <kwwii> we are working on the 1200 most important icons now
[08:05] <kwwii> eventually it will be even more complete than crystal
[08:05] <DaSkreech> Do they make an ikon and submit it, keep up their own thing or must they use SVG that conforms to oxygeb rules?
[08:05] <imbrandon> 1200!!!
[08:05] <abattoir> kwwii: there really are 1200 icons? i though aseigo said you were kidding
[08:05] <DaSkreech> Ah
[08:05] <kwwii> abattoir: no, I can show them to you
[08:05] <abattoir> or does it include all the sizes?
[08:05] <kwwii> hehe, actually there are about 1900, but we removed the exact duplicates
[08:06] <kwwii> no, just one size for each name
[08:06] <DaSkreech> SVG is scalable they should need only one size right
[08:06] <abattoir> hmmm... sounds like a daunting task ;)
[08:06] <abattoir> 1200 icons
[08:07] <kwwii> not quite true though...we make different svgs for the smaller sizes
[08:07] <DaSkreech> What about silly things like Kolours? do you need a red Folder and a pink Folder or can you just make one Folder and then you can let people kolour it however they like?
[08:07] <abattoir> but i guess when you are a pro, you can get through it easily :P
[08:07] <DaSkreech> I noticed that for some of them. I figured you took out some detail if the ikon was only inteded to be used in a small size
[08:07] <mornfall> i fail to see how being a pro makes it so much easier to get through things
[08:08] <imbrandon> moins mornfall
[08:08] <mornfall> hi
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Hi
[08:08] <abattoir> mornfall: well, you are experienced, the more you do of something, cant you do it faster?
[08:09] <mornfall> abattoir: faster, yes, but there are limits, you just can't crank out icons at an icon/minute rate :p
[08:09] <kwwii> every new icon takes about a day
[08:10] <imbrandon> mornfall: i was just looking at your adept-channels-draf.png mockup,thats gonna be awesom looks like
[08:10] <abattoir> mornfall: of course, you do need the skill, creativity etc., but being a pro makes the task a bit easier, a bit familiar right?
[08:10] <kwwii> for someone who is good 
[08:10] <DaSkreech> Sooo KDE4 is 1900 days/3 away
[08:10] <imbrandon> heh
[08:10] <kwwii> it helps to be a good artist, yes
[08:10] <abattoir> hehe
[08:11] <kwwii> hehe
[08:11] <kwwii> our biggest problem at the moment is that none of us are being paid to work on oxygen
[08:11] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: you mean slashdot  err nvm
[08:11] <imbrandon> lol
[08:11] <DaSkreech> damn this pollution
[08:12] <DaSkreech> I knew I'd be asked to pay for Oxygen one day!!
[08:12] <kwwii> lol
[08:12] <abattoir> imbrandon: dont worry buntudot will get the world exclusive :P
[08:12] <imbrandon> abattoir: LOL
[08:12] <mornfall> imbrandon: i know a guy who has
[08:12] <mornfall> but he likes gnome more, so
[08:12] <mornfall> tough luck
[08:13] <imbrandon> heh sabdfl ? hehe
[08:13] <DaSkreech> Doesn't he have like Konqui's Kousin on his plane?
[08:13] <imbrandon> mornfall: yea i mean more like to pay for oxy devs or adept devs etc not myself ;)
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[08:14] <mornfall> ahoy miss Hobbsee 
[08:14] <abattoir> kwwii: what about Linspire, Novell(ok, they are leaning towards GNOME now) and the big uns?
[08:14] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee 
[08:14] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech, mornfall, kwwii and eveyone else
[08:14] <abattoir> kwwii: and of course Canonical too :P
[08:14] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon - do we have konversation nightly builds for edgy yet?
[08:14] <kwwii> abattoir: I worked for Novell (SUSE)...I also helped to start Tango but then decided to take my name off of it and then lost my job :p
[08:15] <kwwii> I guess hiring two artists to work on oxygen also had something to do with it
[08:15] <imbrandon> ouch kwwii 
[08:15] <kwwii> Linspire pays Everaldo (he left SUSE to work for them)
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Novell is a strange kompany
[08:15] <abattoir> hmm, yes i remember they got the initial exclusive on Crystal Clear
[08:15] <kwwii> and my time for Canonical is pretty full of kubuntu only work
[08:16] <kwwii> I mean, I do get stuff done, but I cannot say that I am doing one icon a day
[08:16] <mornfall> novell is great working against itself
[08:17] <abattoir> its sad that few companies want to give back... when they take so much... add little value
[08:18] <DaSkreech> *cough* Microsoft *coughcough*
[08:18] <abattoir> well, atleast they develop their own stuff... 
[08:18] <kwwii> imbrandon: on your blog you have a pic on Feb 2, 2006 ...is that a special day or something?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> Some of it  :-P
[08:18] <abattoir> DaSkreech: hehe
[08:19] <imbrandon> kwwii: it was a failed attemp to make albums and i havent fixed the phgp code
[08:19] <kwwii> ahhh, gotcha...just wondered cause that happens to be my birthday
[08:19] <DaSkreech> In any kase I think the time of bed has kome
[08:19] <abattoir> DaSkreech: ok, atleast they 'buyout' the company or the product, even if it is daylight robbery
[08:19] <imbrandon> kwwii: i did all the art and php for that site and honestly have just neglected it lately
[08:19] <kwwii> imbrandon: I know that feeling :-)
[08:20] <imbrandon> kwwii: ahh cool actualy that was the day we had the last family pics made ( at the end of the main album )
[08:20] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I tracked something for a good while and everytime zlib had a security flaw Microsoft has one remarkably similar within a month
[08:21] <abattoir> DaSkreech: hmmmm... definitely sounds like something they'd do :)
[08:21] <Hobbsee> oh good, my screensaver fix hit the archives.
[08:21] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Anyway I don't want to speak ill of the dead.. or dying
[08:21] <abattoir> DaSkreech: indeed :)
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Which reminds me I'm supposed to be doing some screensaver work for KDE4 :(
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Ahhh Hope I get better soon
[08:22] <kwwii> dude, this is fscked up: http://www.wltx.com/FYI/story.aspx?storyid=39760
[08:23] <abattoir> sick
[08:24] <imbrandon> ewww
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Night ALL
[08:24] <kwwii> DaSkreech: night
[08:24] <imbrandon> gnight 
[08:24] <abattoir> DaSkreech: good night :)
[08:24] <Hobbsee> nigh tdas
[08:24] <Hobbsee> *night DaSkreech 
[08:24] <kwwii> happy (belated?) birthday Hobbsee
[08:25] <imbrandon> ahh to be 18 again lol
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Oh yeah some imposter was here :) we were nice though
[08:25] <Hobbsee> kwwii: not belated :)  thankyou
[08:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Ha I'm 18 till the day I die
[08:27] <kwwii> ftbfs?
[08:27] <imbrandon> file to build
[08:28] <imbrandon> fale
[08:28] <imbrandon> grr
[08:28] <imbrandon> screw it
[08:29] <kwwii> hehe
[08:29] <kwwii> I think I get it know
[08:29] <kwwii> thnx :-)
[08:30] <Hobbsee> failed to build from source.
[08:32] <pygi> hey kwwii, Hobbsee, imbrandon
[08:32] <pygi> and others :)
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hi pygi :
[08:32] <Hobbsee> )
[08:32] <kwwii> hi pygi
[08:41] <nixternal> weee
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[08:41] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:41] <nixternal> hi Hobbsee
[09:05] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:05] <pygi> night nixternal
[09:07] <abattoir> is it just me or are freenode servers' times screwed up ?
[09:07] <abattoir>  *** The topic was set by Riddell on Sunday 21,July,2006 07:31:03 
[09:07] <abattoir> yesterday wasnt a Sunday
[09:08] <abattoir> maybe they are following some other calendar system :P
[09:08] <Hobbsee> [17:08]  *** The topic was set by Riddell on 22/07/06 00:01:03.
[09:08] <abattoir> Hobbsee: interesting
[09:09] <abattoir> so its my side... lets see what kopete says
[09:15] <abattoir> maybe a konversation bug?
[09:15] <abattoir> ksirc shows it right
[09:35] <Hobbsee> debian 362870
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 362870 in planetpenguin-racer "Subject: planetpenguin-racer: failed upgrade: overwrite of image file from -data" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/362870
[10:53] <omeow> mornfall, I wouldnt mind helping you test everything every time you make a new version of adept. :)
[10:54] <omeow> Why did the repository manager get disabled in 2.1? It was working pretty decently in the version that ships with kubuntu dapper.
[11:30] <omeow> I updated kdelibs. KDM starts with both screens switched on. I log-in, one screen is turned off.
[11:31] <mornfall> re omeow 
[11:31] <mornfall> as for repo manager
[11:31] <mornfall> it's disabled because it's a bug
[11:31] <mornfall> wasn't the intention to disableit
[11:31] <omeow> I type xrandr -s 0 to get both screens to become active, since kguidance doesnt want to acknowledge that I have two monitors. But when I do that, the windows arent constrained per screen and span both screens. In order to fix that, I have to enable and disable the option to make it work properly again.
[11:49] <omeow> Still cant type an aphostrophe. =/
[11:50] <raphink> hey \sh_away
[11:52] <omeow> Hm.
[11:53] <omeow> I can type an apostrophe if I press alt + the aposrophe key. ''''''
[11:53] <omeow> Stupid. =/
[12:01] <raphink> omeow: hmm what's the point?
[12:02] <omeow> I expect my apostrophe to appear when I press the key and then either space or a key I want to place the apostrophe on.
[12:02] <omeow> Not by using alt+apostrophe+the letter I want the apostrophe to appear on.
[12:03] <omeow> It didn't work like that before I upgraded my kdelibs (and other stuff, but I don't know exactly what got upgraded. I remember kdelibs because I threw cryptic errors at me.).
[12:12] <pygi> mornfall: poke poke
[12:17] <ajmitch> hi pygi 
[12:22] <pygi> hey ajmitch, long time no see :)
[12:23] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[12:23] <pygi> kinda in trouble with all I have to do, what about you ? :)
[12:24] <ajmitch> haha
[12:24] <ajmitch> doing ok, SoC project is getting there :)
[12:24] <pygi> yay, nice :)
[12:25] <ajmitch> still plenty to do though
[12:25] <abattoir> ajmitch: soc student? cool...
[12:25] <abattoir> which project?
[12:25] <ajmitch> network auth
[12:25] <ajmitch> though at the moment I only have a gtk+ frontend, not kde :)
[12:25] <pygi> ajmitch: ah, make one :P
[12:26] <ajmitch> pygi: I need time & incentive
[12:26] <ajmitch> most of the code isn't in the frontend anyway
[12:26] <pygi> well, backend :P
[12:26] <ajmitch> it's in the various hacking up of config scripts, debconf, etc
[12:30] <mornfall> pygi: peek peek
[12:30] <pygi> mornfall: you have bit of time?
[12:30] <mornfall> possibly, yes
[12:30] <mornfall> i may wander away for a bit again, but not too long
[12:30] <mornfall> and not right now
[12:31] <pygi> mornfall: just found out some nice features that are  in dev version :)
[12:31] <pygi> Like channels, new UI, and stuff :)
[12:31] <mornfall> they aren't
[12:31] <pygi> ehm?
[12:31] <mornfall> it's a spec, not "what's new in"
[12:31] <pygi> well, right, but oh well :)
[12:32] <mornfall> some of the items will be deferred
[12:32] <pygi> may I just say that you consider making the UI more consistent, usable, and not so empty? :P
[12:32] <mornfall> maybe, maybe
[12:33] <pygi> mornfall: well, if you want to make it appealing to users :)
[12:33] <mornfall> yes?
[12:33] <mornfall> (i'm not sure i know where is this going)
[12:34] <pygi> well, it's going nowhere :) Just saying you have to improve even the new UI draft :P
[12:34] <pygi> you dont have to listen to me ofcourse, I am no one important :P
[12:36] <kwwii> er
[12:36] <kwwii> re
[12:40] <pygi> mornfall: alive? :P
[12:45] <mornfall> pygi: ah
[12:45] <mornfall> was reading kde-core-devel
[12:45] <mornfall> i won't listen to people that tell me "you have to"
[12:46] <pygi> mornfall: I said that you dont have to listen me :P
[12:46] <mornfall> pygi: that's given
[12:46] <mornfall> you also said that i have to improve the ui draft
[12:46] <mornfall> which is nonsense
[12:46] <mornfall> so
[12:46] <pygi> well, if you need help, feel free to ask :)
[12:47] <mornfall> are you offering? what exactly? :)
[12:49] <mornfall> (as in, what form of help)
[12:51] <pygi> mornfall: advices? :)
[12:51] <mornfall> you have any useful?
[12:51] <pygi> always :)
[01:04] <mornfall> pygi: well, you could tell me and i can judge if they are useful
[01:49] <toma> moguh
[01:51] <Tonio_> hey
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[01:53] <Tonio_> toma: ping ?
[01:53] <Tonio_> the patch doesn't work, it looks like when speed > 8, then speed restarts to 1
[01:54] <Tonio_> nope it restarts to -8
[01:54] <toma> Tonio_: oki
[01:56] <Tonio_> ./khtmlview.cpp:    scrollX = deltax > 0 ? (deltax > maxx ? maxx : deltax) : deltax == 0 ? 0 : (deltax>-maxx ? deltax : -maxx);
[01:56] <Tonio_> something like this has to be patched too :)
[01:56] <toma> eiks
[02:00] <Tonio_> toma: 'm looking at the code, it looks patchable, but I will require a little help on that point ;)
[02:02] <toma> oki
[02:04] <Tonio_> toma: int adX = abs( deltaX );
[02:04] <Tonio_> I think we have to look at this part 
[02:13] <toma> i dont see an obvious error
[02:14] <Tonio_> toma: hum...
[02:15] <Tonio_> toma: do you want the binaries ?
[02:15] <Tonio_> that might help you to understand what happens
[02:15] <toma> i'll build them for dapper
[02:15] <toma> + some debugging
[02:15] <Tonio_> toma: okay
[02:16] <Tonio_> it just looks like the scroll is limited to a value, and restarts at its minimum when this value is reached
[02:20] <toma> oki
[02:22] <toma> Tonio_: is a dbg package created automatically
[02:22] <Tonio_> toma: you means ?
[02:23] <Tonio_> a debug one ? don't think so
[02:25] <toma> how to get that one?
[02:25] <toma> there is something in the rules about it
[02:26] <Tonio_> toma: adding options to the configure script probably :)
[02:26] <Tonio_> let me check
[02:27] <Tonio_> toma: probab ly need to add another option in DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS
[02:28] <toma> there is a package kdelibs-dbg
[02:28] <toma> i'll use that one
[02:28] <Tonio_> toma add --enable-debug=full
[02:28] <Tonio_> that's another way to do ;)
[02:29] <toma> isnt it automatically build?
[02:31] <Tonio_> toma: don't think soo
[02:31] <Tonio_> toma: better do the way I did ;)
[02:35] <raphink> so as to not get Tonio_ angry, better do as he did
[02:36] <raphink> ;)
[02:37] <Tonio_> raphink: lol
[02:37] <Tonio_> raphink: if you wanna help on that point ;)
[02:37] <raphink> hehe
[02:37] <raphink> if you wanna help us on migration fai examples to cfengine2
[02:38] <raphink> s/migration/migrating/
[02:38] <raphink> it's even hotter in germany than in Nice
[02:38] <raphink> horrible
[02:38] <raphink> at least if I was in Nice I would go to the beach to swimm
[02:39] <Tonio_> I can imagin
[02:55] <Tonio_> hurg........ kdebase ftbfs in my chroot...
[02:55] <Tonio_> raphink: already seen this error : /usr/include/linux/joystick.h:131: error: '__s64' does not name a type ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> looks related to linux kenel headers
[02:55] <raphink> nope
[02:56] <raphink> why do you think it looks related to the kernel headers?
[02:56] <raphink> oh yes
[02:56] <raphink> include/linux
[02:56] <raphink> :s
[02:56] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:56] <Tonio_> c koi deja le chan ubuntu-kernel ?
[02:56] <Tonio_> je vais demander la bas
[02:56] <raphink> Tonio_: x86 or amd64 ?
[02:57] <Tonio_> x86
[02:57] <raphink> \sh regarde
[02:57] <Tonio_> raphink: thanks \sh
[02:57] <raphink> in edgy right?
[02:58] <Tonio_> yes
[02:58] <ajmitch> hi raphink, Tonio_ 
[02:59] <raphink> hi ajmitch 
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[02:59] <Tonio_> hey ajmitch
[03:01] <raphink> __GNUC__ must be defined to use __s64 and __STRICT_ANSI__
[03:01] <Tonio_> concerning this kernel headers error it is the second time I have it in 3 days
[03:01] <raphink> oh
[03:02] <raphink> not __STRICT_ANSI__ sorry
[03:02] <raphink> in order to use this class
[03:02] <Tonio_> I should report this to benC right ?
[03:02] <Tonio_> is it you stephan ?
[03:03] <raphink> see /usr/include/linux/types.h
[03:03] <raphink> line 28
[03:03] <raphink> #if defined(__GNUC__) && !defined(__STRICT_ANSI__)
[03:03] <Tonio_> I can see this yes...
[03:04] <raphink> Tonio_: it's not a problem with linux-heaers, __GNUC__ must be defined and __STRICT_ANSI__ must not be defined
[03:04] <raphink> otherwise the class it not usable
[03:04] <raphink> check if kdebase defines __GNUC__ and __STRICT_ANSI__
[03:04] <Tonio_> okay but that should have changed recently, since the same package was building 2 days ago
[03:04] <raphink> and no it's not stephan
[03:04] <raphink> it's still me :)
[03:04] <Tonio_> hehe okay
[03:05] <raphink> well the kernel in edgy hasn't changed for a quite a time
[03:06] <raphink> a month or so
[03:06] <raphink> I mean the upstream version
[03:06] <Tonio_> weird......
[03:06] <Tonio_> latest Riddell's upload is 2 days old...
[03:07] <raphink> well I'd think kdebase is more likely to hav changed than linux-source
[03:07] <raphink> did you try on another machine Tonio_?
[03:08] <Tonio_> raphink: no but I will
[03:08] <raphink> k
[03:08] <Tonio_> raphink: can I use tiber for this ?
[03:08] <Tonio_> I only have my laptop there
[03:08] <ajmitch> the upstream kernel may not have changed, but l-k-h has
[03:08] <raphink> sure
[03:09] <ajmitch> it's been through a few changes lately
[03:09] <Tonio_> ajmitch: okay, that could explain
[03:09] <Tonio_> the point is that the same package that was working 2 ays ago ftbfs today... I don't think that's related to kdebase for this
[03:09] <raphink> lkh ?
[03:09] <raphink> oh right
[03:09] <Tonio_> linux kernel headers
[03:09] <ajmitch> linux-kernel-headers package
[03:09] <raphink> yep
[03:10] <Tonio_> I had the same issue compiling kxmame (relative to joystick too)
[03:10] <Tonio_> and it was working 2 weeks ago too
[03:11] <Tonio_> ajmitch: would you suggest reporting this to the kernel team ?
[03:11] <ajmitch> probably
[03:12] <Tonio_> okay thanks
[03:12] <ajmitch> BenC can always just yell at you if it's not related :)
[03:13] <ajmitch> Tonio_: noone is likely to be around right now in #u-kernel :)
[03:13] <ajmitch> I *think* BenC has a week or two vacation now as well
[03:14] <Tonio_> ajmitch: arf, okay I'll report a launchpad bug then :)
[03:14] <Tonio_> probably better
[03:14] <ajmitch> definitely better
[03:18] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-kernel-headers/+bug/53732
[03:18] <Tonio_> done
[03:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53732 in linux-kernel-headers "/usr/include/linux/joystick.h:131: error: '__s64' does not name a type" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[03:20] <Tonio_> okay let's go back to that kdelibs patch...
[03:21] <Tonio_> toma: I'm reading at the code (which I finally understand since there are not 50 objects used) and I must say I don't understand the point why accelerator > 7 or 8 goes back to -8...
[03:21] <Tonio_> sounds weird...
[03:21] <toma> Tonio_: yes, could not find a reason either
[03:22] <toma> hence the debug
[03:22] <Tonio_> would be good to be able to display this value :)
[03:23] <Tonio_> ajmitch: thanks for the help
[03:23] <pygi> :P
[03:24] <Tonio_> toma: I have several merges to complete... can I let you looking at this ?
[03:24] <Tonio_> once done we will kickass konqueror :)
[03:24] <Tonio_> s/konqueror/firefox :)
[03:25] <toma> i'm not so happy with developing stuff this way
[03:25] <toma> if every compile takes ages i'll loose interest very soon
[03:25] <Tonio_> toma: I can understand you...
[03:26] <Tonio_> kdelibs or kdebase are a pain for this....
[03:26] <Tonio_> raphink: isn't there a way to only recompile the modified stuff with debuild/pbuilder ?
[03:27] <Tonio_> because every test takes 1 hour at least....
[03:27] <Tonio_> raphink: maybe \sh knows a trick...
[03:27] <toma> and why doesnt it make use of icecream
[03:27] <ajmitch> Tonio_: ccache with pbuilder
[03:27] <Tonio_> ajmitch: looking, thanks :)
[03:27] <ajmitch> it's not perfect, but it can speed compiles up a bit
[03:28] <ajmitch> google will probably show you a couple of ways to hook it into pbuilder (I use it here)
[03:29] <toma> ok, second ftbfs, i can not work like this
[03:30] <toma> debuild should not clean the build
[03:32] <Tonio_> toma: I'm testing with ccache, looks pretty easy to use
[03:32] <Tonio_> toma: also you can use debuild instead of pbuilder
[03:32] <Tonio_> temp files will not be removed with it
[03:33] <toma> im using debuild
[03:33] <Tonio_> arf*
[03:33] <Tonio_> does it clean the build ?
[03:33] <Tonio_> hum true.... I didn't figure out this in the past...
[03:34] <ajmitch> debuild -nc
[03:34] <ajmitch> iirc
[03:35] <ajmitch> are you building on a fast box?
[03:37] <Tonio_> ajmitch: not me, dunno concerning toma
[03:37] <Tonio_> I'm on a laptop...
[03:37] <ajmitch> ah
[03:37] <ajmitch> yes, that can be painful
[03:40] <toma> how do i reverse all patches?
[03:45] <Tonio_> toma: dpatch deapply debian/patches/*.diff probably :)
[03:45] <Tonio_> but if you want to deapply them in the tmp build dir, that might be a bit more complicated...
[03:47] <toma> how can you all work with these tools
[03:49] <Tonio_> toma: suffering ? :)
[03:56] <toma> another build, last try
[04:00] <Tonio_> toma: okay, I would like to test something also, but how do you write 2^4 in c++ ?
[04:00] <Tonio_> I mean simply, without translating this to 2*2*2*2 ?
[04:01] <Tonio_> would that require include math.h too ?
[04:02] <toma> Tonio_: http://www.cplusplus.com/ref/cmath/pow.html
[04:02] <toma> && yes for the include if it is not there
[04:24] <hunger> Does speedstep work in current kpowersave?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:25] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_ ;0
[04:25] <toma> hi
[04:25] <Hobbsee> 8;0
[04:25] <Hobbsee> bleh
[04:25] <Hobbsee> :0
[04:25] <Hobbsee> )))
[04:25] <hunger> Hi hobbsee.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:25] <Tonio_> toma: aren't you getting crazy ? ;)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> finally.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hi toma, hunger 
[04:25] <toma> Tonio_: definitly
[04:25] <hunger> Hobbsee: too hot?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hunger: no, my shift key wasnt working, for some reasson
[04:26] <hunger> Hobbsee: Maybe because it is too hot? ;-)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hunger: it's not hot here :P
[04:26] <Tonio_> toma: yes, kdelibs is a pain to work on sometimes...
[04:26] <Tonio_> not to say everytime :)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what's it doing?
[04:26] <toma> Tonio_: but it is making apidox now, so the end is near
[04:27] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:27] <Tonio_> toma: cool
[04:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we're trying to patch a specific khtml function that would be very usefull to activate for edgy
[04:27] <Tonio_> toma: I'm building too, doing another test on my own
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahhh....
[04:28] <hunger> damn aptitude! It litteraly takes minutes to start up:-(
[04:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure you'll love it.... if we succeed
[04:30] <toma> we will succeed
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe
[04:30] <Tonio_> toma: for sure yes !
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and then you'll tackle other packages ;p
[04:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: which ones ?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: well, knetworkmanager, hopefully.  and the powersave/kpowersave stuff if you're brave.
[04:32] <Tonio_> hum concerning knetworkmanager, depends on the changelog, because of uvf, and concerning kpowersave, yes, lots of chances I'm updating it
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i think lure was looking at it, but was busy.  i do have a version REVU, which you're free to examine, but i expect that parts of it arent right - just because i dont know the codebase.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: also, there's a networkmanager 0.6.4 that isnt in repos - might be worht upgrading both, and getting a UVF report, i'm not sure
[04:38] <hunger> It would be nice if networkmanager could get its own start/stop script... I keep having to restart it and it is a pita having to bring down dbus for that.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> killall networkmanager?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> oh yay.  more syncs.
[04:39] <Tonio_> ho my goooooooooood !!!!!!!
[04:39] <hunger> Hobbsee: Yeap, that works of course;-)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hunger: :P
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what's up?
[04:39] <Tonio_> there is a french website where people can subscribe and try to search for old friends...
[04:39] <hunger> Hobbsee: But ubuntu is supposed to be for human beings, not for geeks;-)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hunger: heh, true.
[04:39] <Tonio_> can you imagin my first love I didn't saw for 10 years just emailed me ? ;)
[04:40] <Tonio_> my god !
[04:40] <hunger> Hobbsee: Thinking about it: initscripts are rather geekish themselves:-)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hunger: heh, true
[04:41] <hunger> Hobbsee: Oh, I believe that:-) You would be hanging out in the mall if you weren't;-)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hunger: heh, at 1am?
[04:43] <hunger> Hobbsee: dunno what these young people do nowadays... to be frank: I did not even when I was one of them.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hunger: heh
[04:46] <hunger> I guess Riddell will be there.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> yay, another sync.
[04:47] <hunger> Hobbsee: Are you american?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hunger: nope
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hunger: i'm in sydney, australia
[04:48] <Hobbsee> first i'm asked if i'm a new zealander, then i'm asked if i'm an american.  sigh.  ;p
[04:48] <hunger> Hobbsee: Oh, no wonder it is not hot at your place... it must be winter there.
[04:48] <hunger> Hmmm... frequency scaling seemes borked in edgy on my box. Does it work for someone?
[04:49] <hunger> Why do I buy a 2,something GHz CPU when it keeps getting stuck at 800MHz?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hunger: hehe, yes ;)
[04:51] <hunger> OTOH: This does explain why aptitude takes *AGES* to read in its data. Or at least I hope so.
[04:54] <raphink> go go go Hobbsee
[04:54] <Hobbsee> raphink: hehe
[04:54] <raphink> ;)
[04:54] <hunger> aptitude takes so long to update its data that I need to update again right after it is done:-(
[04:54] <hunger> Hi raphink 
[04:54] <raphink> hi hunger
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[04:56] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:56] <toma> Tonio_: sorry, i leave it to you...
[04:57] <Tonio_> toma: I can understand
[04:59] <hunger> So what is decided wrt. zeroconf? There is so much noise about it on the ML that I can not make out what will happen with it now.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> no idea, i stopped watching.
[05:03] <Tonio_> grmpf......... it doesn't work
[05:03] <Tonio_> toma: what were your letest tests ?
[05:03] <Tonio_> latests test sorry
[05:04] <toma> i tried to make sense out the debugging...
[05:04] <Tonio_> toma: okay
[05:04] <Tonio_> I'm sure we're missing something very simple
[05:05] <Tonio_> it doesn't make sense the value gets back from positive to negative...
[05:05] <Tonio_> there is certainly something very simple we're missing... I'l investigate all the night if necessary but I'll find
[05:05] <toma> http://rafb.net/paste/results/7ETXbH43.html
[05:05] <toma> something turns it negative
[05:06] <Tonio_> yes
[05:06] <Tonio_> the value does this : 1 -> 2 -> 3 .... -> 8 -> -8 -> -7...
[05:06] <Tonio_> I don't see how...
[05:06] <Tonio_> but that's it
[05:07] <toma> that can only happen when deltaY <=0
[05:07] <Tonio_> yes
[05:08] <Tonio_> so the problem is with the delta
[05:08] <toma> but we dont need that
[05:08] <toma> so the *= can maybe change to a =
[05:08] <Tonio_> yes that's my thought too
[05:09] <toma> have fun rebuilding ;-)
[05:09] <Tonio_> toma: will do :)
[05:09] <toma> i'm rebuilding as well though
[05:09] <Tonio_> the build is stlighly faster with ccache
[05:09] <Tonio_> ajmitch: thanks or the tip, very aooreciated ;)
[05:09] <toma> building in svn right now, even faster i think
[05:10] <toma> especially when additional changes are neede
[05:13] <Tonio_> toma: int deltaX = point.x() - d->m_mouseScrollIndicator->x() - 24;
[05:13] <Tonio_> -24 is because we're on a base of 25 px
[05:13] <Tonio_> we probably shoud remove this
[05:13] <toma> maybe
[05:13] <toma> it is the bottom of the indicator
[05:14] <toma> so you want to caclulate from the bottom of the indicator or the middle?
[05:19] <Tonio_> probably the middle
[05:22] <Hobbsee> *jaw drops*
[05:24] <hunger> toma: Yeap.... running make -j 20 is fun;-)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you around, at all?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, he's at LGL
[05:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah, that's why he is on mute for 24 hours :)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i was thinking of getting kopete 0.12.1 backported to dapper, or put into dapper-updates
[05:31] <Tonio_> toma: http://rafb.net/paste/results/iSjGvc87.html my latest patch in build
[05:31] <Tonio_> toma: if that doesn't work, I'll really need an explanation on why is the value changed to negative....
[05:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is possible as long as it builds without any modifications...
[05:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: does it compile with kde 3.5.2 ?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no idea.
[05:32] <toma> Tonio_: it can not change to negative in your patch
[05:32] <toma> should be fine
[05:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you should test in a dapper pbuilder
[05:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, i will.  i just got another report about it.
[05:33] <Tonio_> toma: the point is the old code wasn't supposed to change it to negative too...
[05:33] <toma> not sure the baviour with pow will be desirable... It will go fast soon...
[05:46] <Tonio_> toma: hum, what would you suggest instead ?
[05:47] <toma> Tonio_: maybe just lineair, but experiments would be best
[05:48] <Tonio_> toma: well, let's fff something working with pow and then another cleaner way to do it ;)
[05:48] <Tonio_> s/fff/find (delay cause by pbuilder sorry)
[06:06] <Tonio_> toma: you should give a try at ccache for pbuilder, it really reduces the built time... about 30% here
[06:09] <Tonio_> hey \sh
[06:11] <\sh> hey tonio...
[06:31] <Tonio_> toma: my patch fuchin fails........
[06:32] <Tonio_> arghhhhhhhhh
[06:32] <toma> why?
[06:32] <Tonio_> I don't understand the but the value is still reversed
[06:32] <toma> negative?
[06:32] <Tonio_> yup
[06:33] <Tonio_> I don't see how, but we miss something
[06:33] <Tonio_> something certainly obvious
[06:34] <Tonio_> okay let's restart in another way to do
[06:36] <Tonio_> toma: during your debug, what was the tested value ?
[06:36] <Tonio_> isn't there a post calculation on it, like if bla > 8 then blabla ?
[06:36] <Tonio_> there is certainly something like this outside the file
[06:37] <toma> delta, abs and m_mousescrollby
[06:37] <Tonio_> and which one is the reversed one that changes the others ?
[06:37] <Tonio_> delta ?
[06:43] <Tonio_> toma: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18626
[06:43] <Tonio_> that's ugly, but that CANNOT fail
[06:43] <Tonio_> unless the value is changed somewhere else
[06:45] <toma> Tonio_: yep
[06:56] <Tonio_> this one at least is easy to figureout :)
[07:07] <toma> Tonio_: your patch does not work
[07:08] <toma> something is limiting it at 7
[07:08] <Tonio_> toma: still reverted ?
[07:08] <toma> yes
[07:08] <Tonio_> grmpf.......
[07:08] <Tonio_> so if we find that limitation, we can remove it.......; let's search
[07:09] <toma> deltaY is not turning to nagative, so that is not the cause
[07:09] <Tonio_> yup
[07:09] <Tonio_> the value is read somewhere and potentially changed.... let's find out where
[07:10] <toma> no
[07:11] <toma> it is in that routine
[07:11] <Tonio_> // qt includes and classes
[07:11] <Tonio_> #include <qscrollview.h>
[07:11] <Tonio_> could it be in qt directly ?
[07:11] <toma> konqueror: 1 deltaY 128 adY 128 - 1
[07:11] <toma> konqueror: 2 deltaY 128 adY 128 - -8
[07:11] <toma> before and after the if statement
[07:12] <toma> so the if results in negative number
[07:12] <toma> ah
[07:12] <Tonio_> hum, how can we get 2 different values with the same deltaY ???
[07:13] <Tonio_> I don't see the point
[07:14] <toma> the if statement converts m_mouseScrollByY to something negative
[07:16] <Tonio_> toma: how is it possible ?
[07:16] <toma> i have an idea
[07:17] <Tonio_> toma: which is ?*
[07:18] <toma> yeah, works
[07:20] <toma> Tonio_: one second, need two more tests
[07:20] <Tonio_> okay
[07:26] <toma> Tonio_: trying to find some good values now
[07:27] <toma> the problem is around line 391
[07:27] <Tonio_> toma: hum, I must say I'm a bit lost now :) since I don't have all the infos, but it looks like you are in progress, so it's okay :)
[07:27] <Tonio_> I must say I don't understand how can the if change this but........
[07:27] <toma> there the bandwidth is limited to 4
[07:27] <Tonio_> bandwidth ?
[07:28] <toma> not sure about the details, remove the :4 and the values can exceed the 8
[07:29] <Tonio_> toma: hum, variable size issue issue ?
[07:29] <toma> yep
[07:29] <Tonio_> okay let's test
[07:30] <toma> Tonio_: there is a need for the -24 
[07:31] <Tonio_> toma: yes I've seen this :)
[07:31] <toma> else you are totally unable to stop it
[07:32] <toma> Tonio_: http://rafb.net/paste/results/US3SgP27.html
[07:32] <toma> seems to provide the best results for me
[07:32] <toma> i tried a couple of values, these work the most natural for me
[07:34] <Tonio_> tome cool :)
[07:34] <Tonio_> toma: would you suggest this more than exp so far ?
[07:35] <toma> what was that pow again?
[07:35] <toma> i can test quickly now
[07:35] <Tonio_> toma: I wanted to make acceleration exponential
[07:36] <Tonio_> let me show you again
[07:36] <toma> Tonio_: it is already with my patch
[07:36] <toma> for my feeling
[07:37] <Tonio_> toma: okay lets test and if it's okay, let's keep it like that
[07:38] <toma> if you have that pow formula at hand i can test it
[07:38] <Tonio_> hum yes just wait a second
[07:39] <Tonio_> toto = (int)(deltaY / 25)
[07:39] <Tonio_> and then set the value to pow(2,toto)
[07:39] <Tonio_> that should give a pretty rendering too :)
[07:40] <Tonio_> hehe the kopete patch works
[07:40] <Tonio_> hop uploading
[07:42] <toma> Tonio_: up does not work anymore
[07:43] <Tonio_> hu ?
[07:43] <toma> ah, the abs is needed
[07:43] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[07:43] <toma> else - * -
[07:44] <toma> Tonio_: ok, but it is too fast
[07:45] <Tonio_> toma: great let's use the first idea (*0.1)
[07:45] <Tonio_> toma: MANY, MANY thanks :)
[07:45] <Tonio_> for the time and the pain
[07:47] <toma> devided by 50 is pretty ok
[07:48] <Tonio_> toma: okay I am able to test now, you did enough and lost enough time :)
[07:48] <Tonio_> fyi I'l probably patch konsole for hoverclosebutton too :)
[07:48] <Tonio_> it works perfectly with kopete
[07:49] <toma> okido
[07:49] <Tonio_> needs to be patched too ?
[07:49] <toma> the pow version is difficult to stop
[07:49] <toma> forget that
[07:49] <Tonio_> toma: okay let's forget it
[07:52] <toma> Tonio_: anything else kdelibs related?
[07:52] <toma> i'm now setup, so i can do those quickly now
[07:52] <Tonio_> toma: how do you do ? manual compilation ?
[07:52] <toma> yes
[07:52] <Tonio_> okay ;) It looks ended for today until I find something else to do
[07:52] <toma> running kdelibs from svn instead of the kubuntu version
[07:54] <toma> oki
[07:54] <toma> Tonio_: wasn't there something about a kcm which needed to change when there is no smb ?
[07:58] <toma> okido, returning to kubuntu kdelibs then
[08:26] <Tonio_> toma: I'll probably increase the speed a bit, firefox is about twice as speed as this
[08:26] <Tonio_> on very long pages, that's of any use
[08:26] <Tonio_> like planet.ubuntu.com
[08:26] <toma> oki
[08:30] <Tonio_> toma: otherwise livelly ;)
[08:30] <Tonio_> lovelly
[08:31] <toma> yeah, im almost tempted to use it
[08:32] <Tonio_> toma: that's pretty usefull when you are used to use it
[08:32] <Tonio_> most firefox users use that all the time
[08:32] <toma> i like pasting urls with middle click
[08:32] <Tonio_> toma: still possible, middle click on the tab bar, it works
[08:32] <Tonio_> you can also middle click on a link too
[08:33] <toma> cool
[08:33] <Tonio_> just that you have to middle click on the tabbar and not the page
[08:33] <toma> yes
[08:33] <toma> doable
[08:34] <toma> nice tip
[08:34] <Tonio_> yes, that brings more functionnality with a minimum issues
[10:25] <kwwii> re
[10:26] <imbrandon> moins
[10:29] <bddebian> Hello kwwii, imbrandon
[10:29] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[10:29] <kwwii> howdy bddebian, imbrandon
[11:59] <DaSkreech> back in black