[12:09] you see what it does now ? [12:09] central click allows to up and down in the page [12:09] yep [12:09] the problem is that with very long pages, it is really slow [12:09] on firefox the speed is proportionnal the same way but max speed is by far better [12:09] isnt that limited to your computer? [12:09] toma I do't think so [12:10] try with firefox and you'll see the difference [12:10] I'd like to have that enabled in kubuntu, but it would be better to increase the max speed in some way [12:10] opera does the same, but max speed is really better too [12:10] ok, let me have a look [12:10] I tested on many machines with konq, the speed it always limited :) [12:10] give me a few minutes [12:10] toma: fantastic, thanks :) === pounk [n=pounkf@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:11] toma: let's become the "kde "ultimate settings team" ;) [12:11] haha ;-) [12:13] setting is called MouseMiddleClickClosesTab [12:16] hmm, no ;-) that is another feature appearantly [12:17] OpenMiddleClick is the one [12:22] toma: okay [12:23] I was packaging, so I didn't check what was the konqerorrc entry :) [12:23] the point is I'm affraid the speed is hardcoded........ [12:23] it is not in kdebase/konqueror in any case [12:23] toma: hum ? [12:23] would it be kdelibs ? [12:23] i think in kdelibs [12:24] that's strange since it is an konqueror only function [12:24] still searching [12:24] thanks :) [12:24] packages are ready, waiting for Riddell's opinion and I'll upload [12:25] eeks: http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2006/07/new-blood.html [12:27] I don't disagree his opinion [12:27] the point is kde translations are REALLY better than gnome ones [12:27] so rosetta can be very usefull for gnome, but I already have seen phrases that have been changed in dapper, and in the bad way [12:28] since the original kde translation was better [12:28] Tonio_: i agree to that as well. It is a usefull tool for ubuntu as a distribution, it just does not hold for kde. [12:29] but on the other way, I don't think involving anonymous users to contribute is a bad thing [12:29] so many people don't even have an idea of how to contribute [12:29] i'll bring it up on the next meeting... [12:29] toma: the point is that we will not remove this [12:30] because it is on canonicals plans, and kubuntu is a part of the global ubuntu project... [12:30] we can discuss it, but that will not be debatable I think [12:30] look at khtml/khtmlview.cpp, line 933 [12:30] in kdebase ? [12:30] ;) [12:30] Tonio_: kdelibs [12:31] hum !!!!!!!!!! khtml is part of kdelibs of course.......; I'm stupid [12:31] no, line 349 [12:31] 394 [12:32] increase 4 to whatever [12:32] d->m_mouseScroll_byX = 0; [12:32] d->m_mouseScroll_byY = 0; [12:32] ah okay, that's just the initialisation [12:32] looking [12:32] line 394 [12:32] okay that give the acceleration [12:32] great ! [12:33] let's make tests [12:33] toma: you are the man === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma bows [12:34] okayh let's test === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:37] toma: testing to find the good acceleration factor will take time........ kdelibs is quite long to package for each test [12:37] there should be a setting to show/unshow the mouse scroll indicator [12:38] do you know ehere that is located? [12:39] it doesn't exist graphically... [12:39] unseenable, unsetable... [12:39] if it where, that would already be in dapper lol :) === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-102-66.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:41] toma: talking about the blog post, one thing we must not forget is that is doesn't conern only kde, but all kde based apps, including universe ones [12:41] and most of them aren't translated at all [12:42] so the point is that is can be weird for the standard kdebase apps, but very usefull to get close to a full translated system [12:42] sure. but it hurts kde imho [12:43] so the procedures for them should change a bit [12:43] toma: yes, but that would make a double stuff to maintain/support [12:45] accelaration is around line 1107 btw [12:49] Tonio_: try this http://rafb.net/paste/results/693SdM64.html [12:49] Tonio_: your current compiel can be aborted, it won't work ;-( [12:50] okay [12:51] are those the good ones ? [12:51] tesging [12:51] testing [12:51] not sure, we might extend the else construction with one row, for super accellaration [12:52] hum true [12:52] do you want that right now? [12:52] the point is that you have several speeds, but this isn't proportionnal with the distance from the cursor to the click point [12:52] this is how firefox works [12:52] it is very nice [12:52] ah ok, thats even better [12:52] we can do that [12:53] yes [12:53] I can do the algo but not the code.... [12:53] the point is I don't know C++ [12:53] can you help me on that point ? [12:53] yes, should not be that hard [12:54] let's take 25 px -> 2 === pygi pokes mornfall :) [12:55] d->m_mouseScroll_byX *= adX/12.5 [12:55] but that isn't valid c++ I assume :) [12:55] not sure. [12:56] we can devide per 10 probably [12:56] let me check [12:56] d->m_mouseScroll_byX *= adX*0.1 [12:56] that has better chances to work ;) [12:56] that might work [12:56] let's gooooooooooooooooooo [12:58] probably we have to round it a bit [12:58] else the compiler will complain [12:58] so, we could go for the easy way out by converting it to an int. [12:58] why didn't they did that way ??? [12:58] proportional is by far better [12:58] no idea, but we will find out probably [12:59] sure [01:00] if we fail we can still add lots of values... [01:00] >100 > 125 etc... [01:00] indeed [01:02] me tries to find a quick setup to test compilation [01:02] toma: it is already in build here, but it'll take a bit of time :) [01:02] I'm on a laptop, not a dual core :) [01:02] i'm pretty sure it will fail, as it will not result in an int [01:03] hum [01:03] but let it run as long as i'm struggling here [01:03] that's possible [01:03] round() somewhere ? [01:04] we can devide by 10 and round the value [01:04] that would mean an include math.h is needed. [01:04] hum... [01:04] we can cast it to an int [01:04] how ? [01:05] if lengh(bla) > 1 then split (bla, 0, 1) ? [01:05] probably using ...*= (int)(adX*.0.1) [01:05] I don't know if c++ allow textual functions on numvers [01:05] numbers [01:06] no .h file to include for this ? [01:06] no [01:06] cool [01:06] okay noted in case it fails [01:07] did you leave in that it only should happen after 25 pixels? [01:07] nope [01:07] maybe that is friendly as well [01:07] in firefox 2 pix and it works [01:07] you really should give a try at firefox conerning this [01:07] it is pretty cool like this [01:08] it does not work for me in firefox [01:08] hu ? [01:08] nothing happens [01:08] middleclick [01:08] maybe the lin ux version needs that to be activated let me checl [01:08] on the windows version it is activated out of the box [01:09] ok, it might compile fine, just with a warning [01:09] toma: go in firefox prefs, advances, use automatic blabla [01:09] you can activate it there [01:09] oki [01:10] the proportionnal thing is really MUCH better [01:10] works...it is really difficult to pauze the scrolling to read up [01:10] really ? [01:11] it is always moving unless you point the mouse to the middle [01:11] toma: reclick on middle click ;) [01:11] hehe [01:11] hum, I must say I have a very precise mouse, but I don't have any issue in going back to the center [01:12] G7 laser pawa [01:12] Tonio_: ok, it shoudl compile [01:13] if (adY > 25) d->m_mouseScroll_byY *= adY*0.1; [01:13] else d->m_mouseScroll_byY = 0; [01:13] if you want to lock movement the first 25 [01:13] I'l probably do with 10 [01:13] 10 bottom and 10 top makes a 20 pix zone [01:13] should be enought [01:14] right [01:14] where does NMU strand for? [01:15] stand [01:15] Non Maintainer Upgrade [01:15] ah, ok [01:15] it is when the changelog name and maintainer name in control are different [01:15] debian cares this, but we don't give a shit :) [01:15] yes, i noticed that difference [01:16] Tonio_: bbi 10 minutes, are you still around then? [01:17] toma: yes === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:18] toma: if it works nicelly this patch could be proposed to kde I think [01:19] since most firefox people using this function (windows ones for example) really regret this functionnality sucks in konq... [01:26] back [01:26] i can commit it to trunk / kde4 yes [01:26] for kde 3.5.5 only if i write a good mail ;-) [01:27] and it is tested well by users of edgy [01:36] hehe [01:36] it'll be tested === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:02] done yet? [02:07] toma: nope, still building........ [02:07] I had a crash during the first build, no left space on device... [02:07] edgy migration increased the size of my apt cache :) [02:08] ouch [02:08] i just installed 160gb extra to try an edgy install soon and a kde4 === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] and because my current hd is giving me troubles now and then === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:00] toma: it doesn't work very nicelly [03:00] the speed changes in a strange way........ [03:00] weird [03:00] I may try with (int) maybe [03:00] can you send me the build? [03:00] edgy or dapper? [03:01] edgy.... [03:01] is it okay ? [03:01] i'm not on dapper [03:01] edgy [03:02] i'll build it tomorrow [03:02] + d->m_mouseScroll_byX *= adX*0.1; [03:02] + d->m_mouseScroll_byY *= adX*0.1; [03:02] ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [03:02] i think we can loose the *= and change that to = [03:02] I'm a fuckin' stupid......... [03:02] haha [03:02] yes [03:03] rebuiding......... [03:04] how is the horizontal scrolling? [03:05] wow, that's an odd bug [03:12] Tonio_: i'll not wait on that build, nite === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:26] crimsun: well, it is probably due to the fact than it is 3:30 am too :) [03:27] that, too. :-) [03:27] hehe [03:27] Hello [03:27] hey bddebian [03:27] Heya Tonio_ [03:43] why do I make so stupid things on a package that takes more than one hour to build ? :'( [03:43] Tonio_: We all do [03:44] bddebian: true ! [04:22] tonio would love ccache. [04:39] heh === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:53] morning all! === Hobbsee has figured out a good birthday present. [05:06] heya Hobbsee [05:06] whats that ? [05:06] imbrandon: a card that works without ndiswrapper! [05:06] a new mac lappy ? [05:07] heheh [05:07] pft [05:12] crimsun: you ever use distcc ? === pounk [n=pounkf@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:04] imbrandon: I've used it [06:04] know if its possible to get dpkg-buildpackage to use it ? [06:05] yes, but I don't know the details offhand [06:05] you shouldn't have to do anything special to dpkg* [06:05] k cool, i will continue my quest then [06:06] hrm well i wanted to do it without chaging the makeflags of the source === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:10] moin === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:19] moin kwwii [06:20] howdy nixternal [06:20] happy birthday hobbsee :-) === kwwii wonders how old she is [06:20] 18 [06:20] damn kids [06:20] hehe [06:21] they are getting smarter and smarter as well [06:21] 18?! Man, I feel ancient. [06:21] hehe [06:21] yeah, no shit [06:21] you are ;) [06:21] nixternal: I bet I'm younger than you :-p [06:21] bet your not ;) [06:21] ok fine, at least I'm younger than Lamont :-p [06:21] haha [06:21] lamont off of sanford and son? [06:21] ;) [06:22] hah [06:22] hehe === DaSkreech [n=Me@208.138.25.161] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:46] HI nixternal [06:47] hiya DaSkreech [06:47] Interesting Newsletter [06:47] it is in the process of editing [06:48] #7 isn't even close to being ready [06:48] it just has the news..now it needs to be put to template and released...reworded, tweaked, you name it [06:49] nixternal: the fact that you know lamont of sanford and son tells me that you are pretty old :p [06:49] hehe [06:49] i grew up to that. red foxx is one of my favorites [06:49] sanford and on, all in the family...classics [06:49] Mutha . Father! [06:49] hehe [06:50] aunt esther...and fred..they would kill me [06:50] ok..i need a ubuntu theme page/site at chi.ubuntu-us.org [06:50] ;_ === abattoir wonders what you people are talking about... goes and googles/ searches tv.com :P [06:50] hehe [06:51] Young uns === nixternal will be 32 in 1 week and 9 minutes [06:52] you're definitely a fogey. [06:52] never [06:52] I'll be like 18 in .. sometime [06:52] whippersnapper. [06:53] ok, so i *was* right, it *was* a TV show... [06:53] hmmm 1972-1977 [06:53] Woah older than me [06:54] Though I do remember desmonds === imbrandon rembers lammont and is only 27 [06:55] Which I see no one else remembers [06:56] (I was actually referring to LaMont Jones, the DD, who is in his 40s.) [06:57] hehe [06:57] heheh i was thinking sanford and sons ;) [06:57] son* [06:57] green acres? [06:57] ouch [06:57] haha [06:57] nick at night and tvland own me === imbrandon knows he is over 21 becouse he tried to hide the beer real fast in this family pic http://www.imbrandon.com/images/all.gif [06:58] lol [06:58] OF course if anyone backs out the original airings of The Shadow I'm outta here [06:59] ( unsuccessfully i might add ) [06:59] DaSkreech: lol [06:59] DaSkreech: what about starsky and huch ? [06:59] lol [06:59] The Shadow is older :) [07:00] imbrandon: That's cute where did you get the Bear shirt? [07:00] hrm i wonder whom is the old man on campus that hangs in -motu or one of the -devel's [07:01] imbrandon: nice pic :-) [07:01] DaSkreech: i have no idea man lol that was almost a year and a half ago [07:01] kwwii: thanks [07:02] for a long time, I thought I was old but now I meet people online that are even older :p [07:02] heh === imbrandon looks alot older without his ballcap on becouse I'm balding , but good luck finding a pic of me without a ballcap on ;) [07:04] I tend to avoid photos if possible [07:04] hehe, I shaved my head for the last 7 years too hide my balding === DaSkreech whistles as hie opens Krita [07:04] now I finally have hair again [07:05] in between jobs, I figured that I could risk trying to see if it will grow anymore :p [07:05] lol yea [07:06] so now I have this funny, kinda bozo the clown meets christopher walken look [07:07] bwhahahah omg i just pictured that [07:07] heh afk freakin kernel panics [07:07] heh everytime i have seen you kwwii you have a beanie cap on [07:07] what is your kernel afraid of? :-) [07:08] grrr well i was trying to install debian proper on this other box [07:08] ahhhaaaa, sorry we do not support that here :p [07:08] but right after install it panics, lol ( notes *buntu runs fine on same hardware ) /me looks for the problem [07:08] kwwii: Falling haair or rising gas prices one of the two I'll bet [07:09] heh kwwii we dont support osx either and thats what i'm on atm ;) [07:09] shhh [07:09] DaSkreech: dude, the gas price here is getting fscking crazy [07:09] hehe [07:10] Fuel System consumption killing? === imbrandon dosent drive [07:11] it is around 1.40 Euro per Liter [07:11] ouch [07:11] its about 2.90 USD here or so last i looked [07:11] imagine paying $5 or so for a gallon [07:12] yea that sucks [07:12] time to sell the mercedes and buy a honda again [07:12] hehe [07:12] get a ethonol ( sp? ) car [07:13] or a sunlight one [07:13] actually I was thinking of natural gas [07:13] ye [07:13] a [07:13] It's like 60 dollars a litre [07:13] gah this sucks /me hates this ( debian proper not working ) [07:14] Plus now we gotta pay to drive on the roads [07:14] ohh well i dont have time to fsk with it [07:15] DaSkreech: London? [07:15] Doh! [07:15] hehe, I found a pic of my family: http://bootsplash.org/family.jpg [07:15] John Woo is not making the next TMNT movie [07:15] abattoir: No I said dollars [07:16] kwwii: nice , cool pic [07:16] thnx [07:16] DaSkreech: oh ok, i though London, because of the Road Pricing thing, but now they are having it all over the world... [07:16] *thought [07:17] Yeah the Govt sold our roads to the french so now we have to pay them to drive on it [07:17] lol === imbrandon contemplates sleep or more drupal hacking , i think sleeps gonna winout [07:17] hehe [07:18] bootsplash.org === kwwii just woke up ;-) [07:18] That's a fortunate URL === abattoir remembers trying to use bootsplash once. [07:18] DaSkreech: well, I co-authored the first bootsplash [07:19] i had an old monitor/video card, never worked :( [07:19] the first bootsplash ever for linux, so the domain was easy to find [07:19] I just went to the home page and surmised something like that [07:19] actually, I think I made up the word "bootsplash" [07:19] hehehe wouldent doubt it [07:20] abattoir: I can point you to lots of new cards that do not work either [07:20] inbetween jobs? i thought you were on contract with canonical kwwii [07:20] imbrandon: I worked for SUSE for the last 7 years [07:20] kwwii: its still in active development? or has it morphed into something else ? [07:21] abattoir: it is still being developed but I am no longer working on it [07:21] kwwii: i know that i ment now [07:21] eventually I will migrate to my new domain and get rid of bootsplash.org [07:21] imbrandon: yeah, now I am contracting for canonical [07:22] Hmm I wonder if they have a URL for the Stuff Lunak tossed into kwin [07:22] "artist in chief" (what a corny name) [07:22] heh === imbrandon nneds to totaly redo all the graphics on imbrandon.com and move it to the new server ( i did those graphics over 2 years ago lol ) [07:22] kwwii: Ask them to just Give you Master Chief [07:22] lol [07:22] imbrandon needs to get me some ubuntu themeage!!! [07:22] For some rason young uns' think that's a cool name nowadays :) [07:23] Reason [07:23] lol [07:23] nixternal: i'm working on "themes" for buntudot.org i might get up this weekend [07:23] imbrandon: not so bad though [07:23] you could simply update a few things and it would look fresh again [07:23] but trying to whip art.ubuntu.com into shape atm [07:23] hehe, I was born in kansas city :-) [07:23] so not time [07:24] kwwii: was you? nice i was born and raised here, moved a few diffrent places and just reciently moved back [07:24] if ubuntu is FOSS, how come i can't download the theme they use for ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com, or the fridge.ubuntu.com??? that would be a plone theme, moinmoin theme, and a drupal theme [07:24] made sure i covered all 3 ;) [07:25] Cause they are 1337 [07:25] nixternal: ask newz2000 he will prbbably get it for you, i dont wanna rip it off the art.u.c server becosue i dont know how its licensed [07:25] imbrandon: I'll be in St. Louis in about two weeks visiting my family [07:25] imbrandon: obviously it has to be open, since the forums got it [07:26] kwwii: nice , let me know i got family there too ( cupple uncles , my grandma and dad ) and we can hookup for a beer ort coffee or somethin if you will have time [07:26] its only about 3.5 hours from KC [07:26] not a big drive [07:26] imbrandon: I'll do that :-) === imbrandon notes his wife will still be out of town too so its perfect LOL [07:27] :D [07:27] actualy you knoew where offallon IL is outside east stl ? thats where they all live [07:28] st claire county i think [07:28] kwwii: So going to whip up some cool new compositing effects for us? :) [07:28] how'd you end up in germany ( isnt that where you are ) , suse ? [07:30] DaSkreech: hehe, once I have a computer on which it works, sure :-) [07:31] I have 4 computers and 5 ATI cards [07:31]