[12:08] <stoft> yes: mine is set to arts engine
[12:09] <AppleSux> Thanks guys I am gonna try Amarok 1.4
[12:09] <gatekeeper> AppleSux: stoft got mine set to xine engine
[12:09] <stoft> AppleSux: I had problems getting it to run with the xine engine, with the arts engine it works fine.
[12:09] <AppleSux> gatekeepr- yeah i do to but its not working
[12:09] <stoft> check out the faq though, they mention the xine engine there.
[12:11] <stoft> hmm... just tried switching, xine works fine, oh well. :D
[12:12] <user-land> blissex, who should i contact for this ?
[12:12] <Blissex> user-land: ah that's a difficult question.
[12:13] <haldor> just figured the flash sound and konquerer problem out. goto settings -> configure konquerer -> plugins -> tick the box "Use artsdsp to pipe lugin through aRts
[12:14] <Blissex> haldor: ah yes, that works around it.
[12:15] <user-land> blissex, why ? do they hide ?
[12:15] <csanchezmonte> goodbye.
[12:16] <Blissex> user-land: no more because it is a very specific and particular combination.
[12:17] <stoft> haldor: good work
[12:18] <haldor> stoft: slowly getting used to the way linux works. always seems to be a way to do it, just have to be patient
[12:21] <Blissex> haldor: the big issue is that there are user-level and admin-level tasks. Too many users try to do admin-level tasks that would not dare to do in MS Windows.
[12:23] <haldor> blissex: I dare anything in windows. that was the joy. break and fix. thats how I learn. and also how I am learning in linux. everything can be undone as long as you remember what it is you did so you can undo it. not worried about breakages, thats the fun of it all
[12:23] <Blissex> haldor: read manuals and books :-)
[12:24] <Smooph> haldor: get a live
[12:24] <ironfroggy> what do i need for easy use of a scanner?
[12:25] <user-land> blissex, who could i start with ?
[12:25] <Smooph> a scanner and a driver would be good for a start
[12:25] <ironfroggy> have both
[12:25] <Blissex> user-land: Google? :-)
[12:25] <Smooph> or wiki
[12:31] <stoft> anyone here a konqueror user, that knows how to "tab through" the links of a page?
[12:32] <ironfroggy> umm... hit tab?
[12:32] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: ping
[12:33] <MidMark> guys
[12:34] <MidMark> someone that has encountered k9copy bug?
[12:34] <MidMark> that produce >4,4 GB dvd?
[12:34] <Hawkwind> Not here.  I use it all day everyday and it works perfectly fine here
[12:34] <MidMark> 1.0.2?
[12:34] <stoft> doh. is there a way to make it more controlled, so I don't have to go through all the links to get to the one I want?
[12:35] <MidMark> Hawkwind: k9copy 1.0.2?
[12:36] <Hawkwind> MidMark: Yep
[12:37] <user-land> blissex, you talked as if you knew people, now it sounds like a game ?
[12:37] <user-land> hi Hawkwind :-)
[12:37] <MidMark> Hawkwind: this strange I've produces ONE dvd and it's bigger than 4,4 GB, also in the changelog it say it was fixed a size problem in 1.0.3
[12:38] <SimAtWork> my kubuntu box died
[12:38] <SimAtWork> so i moved the hd over to an diff box
[12:38] <SimAtWork> everything works except the network
[12:38] <SimAtWork> how can i get it to redect the network and set it up again?
[12:38] <Hawkwind> SimAtWork: kcontrol -> Network Settings
[12:38] <LinuxN00b> Hey guys, I need some help
[12:38] <SimAtWork> it doesn't see any network cards
[12:39] <SimAtWork> i tried using modprobe
[12:39] <SimAtWork> but to no avail
[12:40] <LinuxN00b> okay well, I've got this crappy computer that used to have Kubuntu on it, but then I took it off...Then yesterday I decided to reinstall it. So I manualy set up partitions and I hit "finish and write to disk" and It goes up to a random percent and locks up
[12:41] <LinuxN00b> I've used the Desktop and Alternitive ISO, same thing happened
[12:41] <LinuxN00b> and I burned 'em at 1X
[12:42] <SimAtWork> LinuxN00b: can you go to konsole and use dmesg
[12:42] <SimAtWork> see if ther is anything there
[12:42] <LinuxN00b> Kubuntu isnt even installed
[12:43] <LinuxN00b> It locks up when writing the partitions on install
[12:43] <LinuxN00b> Oh, and Kubuntu live doesnt work
[12:43] <LinuxN00b> I'm starting to think its the computer
[12:44] <LinuxN00b> argh, I g2g
[12:44] <h3sp4wn_> LinuxN00b: try running memtest86 over night
[12:44] <LinuxN00b> send anything to help to Sk8kidK@hotmail.com
[12:45] <Hawkwind> LOL
[12:45] <Hawkwind> Come in, aks a question then have to leave
[12:45] <Hawkwind> Not a great way to get help :P
[12:48] <diego_cl> is flash 7 the newest plugin for linux ?!?!
[12:49] <h3sp4wn_> diego_cl: Yes
[12:50] <diego_cl> is there a better way to run it than the default way?   i cant change the volume from youtube videos
[12:52] <intelikey> it's not in kde.   it's in xorg.    KRAPP!
[12:53] <diego_cl> intelikey: are you talking about flash ?
[12:53] <aegeanlinux> diego_cl: Flash 9 is comming at the end of the year.
[12:53] <diego_cl> ahh  good
[12:54] <aegeanlinux> (well, a beta anyways ;) )
[12:55] <intelikey> diego_cl no  the /root bug in X
[12:55] <aegeanlinux>  /root bug?
[12:56] <intelikey> yes X uses /root as a swap dir
[12:56] <intelikey> or tmp dir
[12:56] <intelikey> this is the first release that has done that.
[12:57] <intelikey> it changes the permissions of /root to world readable and writes it's tmp file in /root
[12:57] <aegeanlinux> dang. That is stupid.
[12:57] <intelikey> i thought it was just in kde but it's not.  it's in xorg.
[12:57] <intelikey> tell me.
[12:58] <aegeanlinux> Is the new KDE out yet? I am starting to get restless lol
[12:59] <intelikey> also if you rm /root it makes a new one.  'with world readable perms.    and if you rm /root and ln -s /dev/null /root then kde/twm/*window manager*/  fails and aborts.
[01:00] <aegeanlinux> is this Xorg 7.1 ?
[01:00] <intelikey> so all the sockets and authority files have to be in /root/ and /root has to be world readabe.
[01:00] <diego_cl> which is the lightest distribution from linux?
[01:00] <h3sp4wn_> diego_cl: openwrt
[01:00] <intelikey> aegeanlinux what ever the latest dapper package is.
[01:00] <aegeanlinux> diego_cl:  dang small linux ;)
[01:01] <diego_cl> i find kubuntu as heavy as windows xp
[01:01] <h3sp4wn_> diego_cl: I am using edgy with enlightenment DR17 and it run's really fast
[01:01] <diego_cl> is edgy a distro?
[01:02] <aegeanlinux> intelikey:  7.0,
[01:02] <h3sp4wn_> diego_cl: Its the development branch of ubuntu
[01:02] <aegeanlinux> diego_cl: No, it's a codename
[01:02] <aegeanlinux> diego_cl: like "Longhorn"
[01:03] <diego_cl> ahh
[01:04] <intelikey> aegeanlinux yes.
[01:04] <intelikey> X Window System Version 7.0.0
[01:04] <intelikey> Release Date: 21 December 2005
[01:04] <intelikey> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0
[01:04] <aegeanlinux> intelikey: I am working on compiling Xorg 7.1, but I have 7.0 now, and I don't have that issue
[01:04] <intelikey> aegeanlinux do you have 7.1 ?
[01:04] <intelikey> ah
[01:04] <aegeanlinux> Not yet, I have 7.0
[01:05] <intelikey> when you get 7.1 setup please test and see if it's using /root/ also,    we consider that a bug.
[01:05] <aegeanlinux> [tim:~] $ cd /root/
[01:05] <aegeanlinux> bash: cd: /root/: Permission denied
[01:06] <aegeanlinux> [tim:/] $ ls -la | grep 39\ root
[01:06] <aegeanlinux> drwxr-x---   32 root root  4096 2006-07-19 18:39 root
[01:08] <intelikey> should be   d--------- 32 root root 4096 `date`  root
[01:08] <brk3> hi, this is a pretty stupid question but i just installed kubuntu and was wondering if someone could tell me what package I need to install to let amarok play mp3s?
[01:08] <intelikey> !w32codecs
[01:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:09] <LinuxN00b> okay im back
[01:09] <LinuxN00b> I ran the Memtest for like 5 minutes, already like 500,000 errors
[01:09] <brk3> im stuck on dialup so cant really download the full codec package.. usually theres just a package such as libmad to install no?
[01:10] <LinuxN00b> thats not a good sign
[01:10] <brk3> wait i see: libxine-extracodecs
[01:10] <brk3> cheers
[01:10] <joshpi> bigtrouble777
[01:11] <joshpi> sorry
[01:11] <joshpi> wrong text box
[01:13] <ironfroggy> installed on a laptop, how can i enter sleep and hibernation modes?
[01:13] <LinuxN00b> okay well, I've got this crappy computer that used to have Kubuntu on it, but then I took it off...Then yesterday I decided to reinstall it. So I manualy set up partitions and I hit "finish and write to disk" and It goes up to a random percent and locks up
[01:14] <LinuxN00b> I've used the Desktop and Alternitive ISO, same thing happened and burned em at 1X
[01:14] <intelikey> brk3 you can dl the full codec package.   it's not that big.   and   dl one time then cp to disk.  save for future use.
[01:14] <Hawkwind> LinuxN00b: memtest needs to run for hours and hours.  12 - 16 hours if possible
[01:14] <intelikey> oh i missed the exit....
[01:14] <LinuxN00b> okay, but whats up with the 500,00 errors?!
[01:15] <LinuxN00b> *500,000 errors
[01:15] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: seriously? i let it run for half an hour and it said it was around 10% done
[01:15] <Hawkwind> LinuxN00b: No idea.  Put them into http://pastebin.ca for us to see
[01:15] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: That won't tell you much.  The longer you can let it run, the better
[01:15] <intelikey> if it's already finding errors.  there is no need in running it any longer...
[01:15] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: then whats the percentage for?
[01:15] <ironfroggy> i mean, what does it keep doing after hitting 100%?
[01:16] <Tm_T> next step
[01:16] <LinuxN00b> okay so there are a crap load of errors....no what?
[01:17] <LinuxN00b> *now what?
[01:17] <ironfroggy> anyway, has anyone here setting scanning in KDE?
[01:17] <ironfroggy> ive installed the drivers i need, but i cant figure out how to actually scan anything. ive got kooka open, but it doesnt seem to be aware of my scanner.
[01:17] <Tm_T> LinuxN00b: give the url to us please ;)
[01:17] <LinuxN00b> uhh for what?
[01:17] <ironfroggy> LinuxN00b: for the pastebin of the errors
[01:17] <Tm_T> oh my
[01:18] <LinuxN00b> yeah its not on this computer that im doing it
[01:18] <diego_cl> bye
[01:18] <ironfroggy> type them
[01:18] <intelikey> sware.   and k3b can't find any suitable writer....   what kind of crap is this ?
[01:18] <LinuxN00b> Hey, im really sorry for being a n00b, and i know when i am.....how do i type the errors?
[01:19] <ironfroggy> with the keyboard...
[01:19] <LinuxN00b> it just has "errors" and under them it says like "5000000"
[01:20] <intelikey> LinuxN00b i would assume 5000000  to be an address.
[01:20] <intelikey> ?
[01:20] <LinuxN00b> well it goes up
[01:20] <LinuxN00b> i stopped running it
[01:20] <LinuxN00b> but when i run it the number goes up
[01:21] <intelikey> it tests  0000001 0000002 0000003...  ?
[01:21] <ironfroggy> uh huh... well obviously you arent going to pastebin all 500,000 errors anyway.
[01:21] <intelikey> memory addressing
[01:22] <LinuxN00b> the number under "Errors" are the how many errors there are
[01:23] <LinuxN00b> oh, and when I go to the "configure
[01:23] <intelikey> so your memory puked out over half a million errors on the first pass....    and will that box boot at all ?
[01:23] <LinuxN00b> yeah
[01:23] <LinuxN00b> it boots fine
[01:24] <LinuxN00b> but when it go to "configure" and then "advanced options" it says "Chipset Not supported!"
[01:24] <Desh> Hi, I would like to recompile my kernel to take out mtrr. how wouldI do this?
[01:24] <||Trayer||>  I got UT2004 running, though I needed to run it in Sudo.  Now though, For some reason, It refuses to launch in sudo. Are there any other commands I could use?
[01:25] <intelikey> anyone on the team here ?
[01:25] <OOD> ||Trayer||:There's no reason for you to be running it as root
[01:26] <LinuxN00b> any answers to my question?
[01:26] <LinuxN00b> *problem?
[01:26] <||Trayer||>  OOD: Yes, there is actually.  Unless I run it in Sudo it gets a acess error and can't find the game engine.
[01:27] <||Trayer||>  And, the reason why I'm getting the error is because "trayer is not in the sudoers file.", and I'm required to run visudo, though, it says permission denied.
[01:28] <intelikey>  any clue why k3b would fail to find an scsi cd writer ?
[01:28] <intelikey> isn't sudo fun !!!
[01:28] <||Trayer||>  So my question, How can I allow visudo to run?
[01:29] <OOD> ||Trayer||: i had it running in normal user privelages without any sort of problem at all, did you install it to your home directory?
[01:29] <intelikey> trayer run it as root.    that means if you can't login as aggount that can run sudo then reboot to single user mode and fix it.
[01:29] <||Trayer||>  OOD: Nah, Installed to /usr/local/games/ut2004
[01:30] <OOD> ||Trayer||that could be why
[01:30] <||Trayer||>  Intelikey: How would I log into my root account to change my sudo to allow "trayer" to use it?
[01:30] <intelikey> even to fix permissions on /usr/local/games/* you need to be root
[01:31] <||Trayer||> !root
[01:31] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:31] <LinuxN00b> 1,300,000 errors so far...
[01:32] <LinuxN00b> 0 passed
[01:32] <intelikey> ||Trayer|| like i said.    if you don't have a root passowrd or you don't have an adminestrator account that you can login to then reboot.  start in single user mode and fix it.
[01:32] <||Trayer||>  Intelikey: How would one do that?
[01:32] <Desh> what kernel version would be best for an AMD64 running 32bit UBuntu.
[01:33] <intelikey> it would depend on the "one" i guess.
[01:34] <jhak88> hi there, how do I add more packages to the adept installer? My friend on ubuntu has like 11000 packages!!
[01:34] <||Trayer||> Re-Installing kubuntu and not effing it up it is!
[01:34] <jhak88> i just did an install
[01:34] <jhak88> there were no package options....?
[01:35] <aztun> jhak88: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:35] <intelikey> generally the three fingered salute will reboot.  and the boot menu most likely contains an option to boot to 1  if not just add   1  to the kernel line that the boot loader does have.        when you get root access  do the visudo and fix your sudoers file....
[01:35] <jhak88> ill look thanks aztun
[01:36] <LinuxN00b> will anyone here help me?! 1,600,000 errors!
[01:38] <ironfroggy> ok i got my scanner stuff configured (i thought) properly, and i opened kooka, which asked me if i wanted to use the scanner it found, and i selected it. only when it actually opened, its complaining there is no SANE installation. so how would it have found the scanner?
[01:39] <Hawkwind> LinuxN00b: It's obvious you have bad ram.  Replace it and move on
[01:40] <LinuxN00b> I dunno....I had kubuntu installed a month ago
[01:40] <LinuxN00b> i havnt done ANYTHING since
[01:40] <Hawkwind> LinuxN00b: Again, replace your RAM
[01:40] <LinuxN00b> okay..
[01:40] <Hawkwind> If memtest errors then that tells you what you need to do.  You could be way past this by now
[01:41] <LinuxN00b> huh?
[01:41] <Hawkwind> When it errors it means your RAM is bad.  If you had replaced it already you could be installing an OS
[01:41] <LinuxN00b> oh
[01:42] <LinuxN00b> How much does new RAM cost for a really cheap kind?
[01:42] <satafterh> how much ram you ahve
[01:42] <Kyral> Depends on capacity
[01:42] <Hawkwind> Depends on the type your system requires
[01:42] <Hawkwind> Doesn't matter how much you have
[01:42] <Hawkwind> You buy what your system requires
[01:43] <Kyral> I can get a stick of 512 MB PC3200 Corsair ValueSelect for 44 US
[01:43] <LinuxN00b> Its a crap computer, Ill take anything over 512
[01:43] <satafterh> it matter how many stick he has, he could take one out and try it, and i wasnt talking to you
[01:43] <Hawkwind> LinuxN00b: You have to know what KIND OF RAM IT TAKES
[01:43] <I_Died_Once> where can i find a copy of my boot log?
[01:43] <LinuxN00b> what takes? Sorry for being a n00b...
[01:43] <Hawkwind> LinuxN00b: There are hundreds of types of RAM.  You have to know what kind your PC takes
[01:44] <Hawkwind> You don't just buy RAM and it work all the same
[01:44] <LinuxN00b> so what types are there?
[01:44] <Hawkwind> LinuxN00b: Hundreds of types
[01:44] <Hawkwind> LinuxN00b: You need to pull the RAM from YOUR pc and see what kind it is
[01:44] <Tommy2k4> look on corsair.com it has a wizard to help u find out what ram u need
[01:44] <I_Died_Once> LinuxN00b: whats the make and model of your computer?
[01:44] <LinuxN00b> alright
[01:45] <satafterh> if you have two moduals take one out. also might try to set the defaults in the bios and try that. all so reseat the ram, you can also try cleaning the contacts with an eraser
[01:45] <BKaj> you can DL a small utility that Ids your hardware without physically having to pull the memory out
[01:45] <I_Died_Once> Where is the bootup log on Kubuntu?
[01:46] <LinuxN00b> Model: SE440BX2-ATX-PIII600
[01:46] <BKaj> just google hardware identifiers
[01:46] <LinuxN00b> okay
[01:47] <diego_cl> quien habla espaol??
[01:47] <LinuxN00b> yo
[01:48] <diego_cl> hola, sabes configurar el samba para compartir carpetas ?
[01:48] <BKaj> !espanol
[01:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about espanol - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:48] <LinuxN00b> no, perdona me
[01:48] <diego_cl> buuu   bueno
[01:49] <diego_cl> how can i share folders with samba without asking for password?
[01:50] <_rince_> re
[01:51] <abattoir> !es
[01:51] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:52] <diego_cl> thanks
[01:53] <abattoir> diego_cl: :)
[01:53] <diego_cl> whats the command to change the channel?
[01:53] <abattoir>  /join #kubuntu-es
[01:53] <abattoir> or just click on it
[01:53] <diego_cl> abattoir: thanks!
[01:53] <abattoir> del nada :P
[01:53] <Tommy2k4> how can i make it save session on logout and use it again when i login
[01:53] <diego_cl> abattoir: by the way... do you know how to share folders ?
[01:53] <Tommy2k4> i disabled it but want it back now
[01:54] <abattoir> diego_cl: right click on the folder -> Properties -> Sharing options(or something) ?
[01:54] <LinuxN00b> oh and I have one mor question: How did the RAM get so screwed?
[01:54] <diego_cl> abattoir: im shating a folder, but i cant see it trough windows, because my linux pc ask for autentication
[01:54] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: Kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Session Manager
[01:55] <abattoir> !samba
[01:55] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:55] <abattoir> diego_cl: ^^^ maybe that would help?
[01:55] <Tommy2k4> ty abattoir
[01:55] <abattoir> or rather Session management...
[01:55] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: np
[01:56] <LinuxN00b> So how did my ram get messed up?!
[01:58] <toma> because you where statical charged when inserting them. Or you touched the copper, or parts of the sun or it was bad memory to start with, or something else...
[01:59] <I_Died_Once> anyone know where I can find a copy of my boot-up log?
[01:59] <z00m> anyone got metasploit installed ?
[01:59] <z00m> trying to run it and keep getting this message
[01:59] <toma> I_Died_Once: try "dmesg"
[01:59] <z00m> .../usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory
[01:59] <abattoir> z00m: install ruby
[02:00] <abattoir> !info ruby
[02:00] <ubotu> ruby: An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.8.2-1 (dapper), package size 18 kB, installed size 96 kB
[02:00] <z00m> abattoir i just tryed to install 1.9
[02:00] <z00m> it installed but still not workin
[02:00] <abattoir> z00m: well, even if you did, the path to the executable wasnt set
[02:01] <abattoir> any special reason you need 1.9 ?
[02:01] <z00m> how do i do that ?
[02:01] <abattoir> else i'll suggest installing from the repos
[02:01] <z00m> no i just chose that because it was the lastest
[02:02] <z00m> installing ruby1.8 now
[02:02] <abattoir> z00m: you installed a deb? or installed from a source package?
[02:02] <abattoir> ok, good :)
[02:02] <z00m> from adept manager
[02:02] <abattoir> remove the old one, if you can
[02:02] <z00m> z00m@64BitBox:~/framework-3.0-alpha-r3$ ./msfweb
[02:02] <z00m> /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory
[02:03] <abattoir> z00m: you installed ruby from adept ?
[02:03] <z00m> yes
[02:03] <toma> z00m: do a `which ruby`
[02:03] <abattoir> z00m: apt-cache policy ruby says it is installed ?
[02:03] <abattoir> 'apt-cahce policy ruby'
[02:04] <abattoir> toma, the ruby package ?
[02:04] <abattoir> !info ruby
[02:04] <ubotu> ruby: An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.8.2-1 (dapper), package size 18 kB, installed size 96 kB
[02:04] <abattoir> toma: that's not the right package?
[02:04] <z00m> ruby:
[02:04] <z00m>   Installed: (none)
[02:04] <z00m>   Candidate: 1.8.2-1
[02:04] <z00m>   Version table:
[02:04] <z00m>      1.8.2-1 0
[02:04] <z00m>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[02:04] <toma> abattoir: never mind
[02:05] <z00m> is that correct ?
[02:05] <z00m> Installed: (none)
[02:05] <toma> nope
[02:05] <abattoir> !info ruby1.8
[02:05] <ubotu> ruby1.8: Interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby 1.8. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.8.4-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 183 kB, installed size 268 kB
[02:05] <abattoir> z00m: you have that installed? ^^^^
[02:06] <toma> what happens with a apt-cache info ruby1.8
[02:06] <toma> what happens with a apt-cache policy ruby1.8
[02:07] <z00m> i have ruby1.8
[02:07] <z00m> installed in adept
[02:07] <z00m> also euby1.8dev
[02:07] <z00m> r^
[02:07] <toma> paste the output of:  apt-cache policy ruby1.8
[02:07] <abattoir> z00m: try executing 'ruby' in the cli
[02:08] <z00m> z00m@64BitBox:~/framework-3.0-alpha-r3$ ruby
[02:08] <z00m> bash: ruby: command not found
[02:08] <z00m> ruby1.8:
[02:08] <z00m>   Installed: 1.8.4-1ubuntu1
[02:08] <z00m>   Candidate: 1.8.4-1ubuntu1
[02:08] <z00m>   Version table:
[02:08] <z00m>  *** 1.8.4-1ubuntu1 0
[02:08] <z00m>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[02:08] <z00m>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:09] <z00m> strange hey
[02:09] <z00m> :/
[02:09] <toma> z00m: install the ruby package
[02:09] <toma> without addition
[02:09] <abattoir> z00m: try executing 'ruby1.8'
[02:10] <toma> abattoir: that will work...
[02:10] <toma> just the symlink missing
[02:10] <abattoir> toma: well, then he can make that :)
[02:10] <z00m> z00m@64BitBox:~/framework-3.0-alpha-r3$ ruby1.8
[02:10] <abattoir> press ctrl+c
[02:10] <abattoir> you get ruby interrupted?
[02:11] <toma> abattoir: installing ruby package is cleaner
[02:11] <z00m> ruby1.8: Interrupt
[02:11] <abattoir> toma: you mean reinstalling?
[02:11] <abattoir> ruby depends on ruby1.8
[02:11] <abattoir> he  has both installed
[02:11] <toma> abattoir: oki
[02:12] <abattoir> z00m: 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall ruby'
[02:12] <z00m> ok its working now
[02:12] <z00m> i just did that apt-get install ruby
[02:12] <abattoir> z00m: so it wasnt installed?
[02:12] <z00m> yeah i did it in adept manager
[02:12] <toma> did you remove 1.9 after installing 1.8?
[02:13] <z00m> but did not work still but after doing apt-get it did
[02:13] <z00m> (Reading database ... 85887 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:13] <z00m> Unpacking ruby (from .../archives/ruby_1.8.2-1_all.deb) ...
[02:13] <z00m> Setting up ruby (1.8.2-1) ...
[02:14] <z00m> this may give you more info
[02:14] <z00m> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:14] <z00m> Need to get 19.0kB of archives.
[02:14] <z00m> After unpacking 98.3kB of additional disk space will be used.
[02:14] <z00m> Get: 1 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main ruby 1.8.2-1 [19.0kB] 
[02:14] <z00m> Fetched 19.0kB in 0s (44.6kB/s)
[02:14] <z00m> Selecting previously deselected package ruby.
[02:14] <z00m> (Reading database ... 85887 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:14] <z00m> Unpacking ruby (from .../archives/ruby_1.8.2-1_all.deb) ...
[02:14] <z00m> Setting up ruby (1.8.2-1) ...
[02:14] <abattoir> z00m: did you remove 1.9 while or installing from adept
[02:14] <abattoir> z00m: please dont flood the channel :)
[02:14] <z00m> yes i did
[02:15] <abattoir> ok, toma was right, you probably removed 1.9 after 1.8 had created the symlink
[02:15] <abattoir> so, it removed the link
[02:15] <z00m> still got probles though
[02:15] <z00m> problems
[02:15] <z00m> ./lib/rex/proto/smb/crypt.rb:1:in `require': no such file to load -- openssl (LoadError)
[02:15] <z00m>         from ./lib/rex/proto/smb/crypt.rb:1
[02:15] <z00m>         from ./lib/rex/proto/smb.rb:4
[02:15] <z00m>         from ./lib/rex/proto.rb:2
[02:15] <z00m>         from ./lib/rex.rb:44
[02:15] <z00m>         from ./msfweb:9
[02:16] <z00m> what could that be, sorry about all the pasting
[02:16] <z00m> need openssl >
[02:17] <abattoir> z00m: i think that is a problem on the program's side
[02:17] <z00m> ?
[02:17] <abattoir> which one is it btw
[02:17] <abattoir> aah, yes, my mistake
[02:17] <abattoir> install all the dependencies for the package...
[02:17] <abattoir> which program is this/
[02:17] <abattoir> ?
[02:17] <z00m> is it not avalible from apt-get
[02:18] <z00m> metasploitframework-3.0-alpha-r3
[02:18] <abattoir> z00m: that doesnt matter, the project page would clearly list the dependencies
[02:18] <abattoir> make sure you install them from adept
[02:18] <z00m> nothing comes up for metasploit
[02:18] <abattoir> not in adept....
[02:19] <abattoir> where did you get the file from?
[02:19] <z00m> there site
[02:19] <abattoir> give me the site url
[02:19] <z00m> ok
[02:19] <z00m> http://www.metasploit.com/
[02:21] <abattoir> z00m: hmm, only ruby1.8 is supported btw..
[02:22] <abattoir> does the archive have a readme file?
[02:23] <abattoir> maybe dependencies are stated there
[02:23] <abattoir> or an INSTALL file maybe?
[02:23] <z00m> ill take a look
[02:24] <z00m> no nothing there
[02:24] <z00m> there is a readme but no dependencies
[02:25] <abattoir> what does it say? briefly/
[02:25] <abattoir> ?
[02:26] <abattoir> try installing libopenssl-ruby1.8
[02:26] <abattoir> !info libopenssl-ruby1.8
[02:26] <ubotu> libopenssl-ruby1.8: OpenSSL interface for Ruby 1.8. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.8.4-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 251 kB, installed size 552 kB
[02:26] <abattoir> and even openssl
[02:26] <abattoir> that's all i can think of
[02:29] <LinuxFTW> Hello! I was wondering how I can add amaroK support for MP3s.  I am aware I require libxine extra codecs, though, They are not appearing in adept!  I have multiverse and universe enabled.  Does anyone have an alternative download link, Or method I can obtain these?
[02:29] <LinuxFTW> !ati
[02:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:29] <z00m> libopenssl-ruby1.8 did the trick thanks alot
[02:29] <abattoir> cool :)
[02:30] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: which architecture?
[02:30] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: i'd still recommend making sure you have universe and multiverse 'properly enabled' though...
[02:31] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: I have enabled them in the "Adept" > "View"  management menu.
[02:32] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: you must understand that it is difficult to install it w/o the help of a pkg mgmt. software because of dependencies
[02:32] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: make sure you have enabled it in the 'dapper' line rather than 'dapper/backports'
[02:32] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: I'll double check that now
[02:33] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: or could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file/
[02:33] <abattoir> *dapper-backports rather
[02:35] <LinuxFTW> !pastebin
[02:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:36] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18553 is the pastebin of my sources.list, I left all the comments in just so I don't get confused = \.
[02:36] <Muz_> Hey guys, this may sound strange, but I can't get the actual Install item on the desktop to run without it spitting out errors
[02:37] <Muz_> (There's no internet connection on the machine atm, hence why I can't send a bug report from it)
[02:37] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: you have universe enabled, but not multiverse
[02:38] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: you can add it in the first line itself if you want
[02:38] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: Now I feel like a moron = \.  I coulda sworn I double checked.  Thanks mate, I just gotta wait to my video drivers are done installing then I'll test it
[02:38] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: np, its a common mistake to enable multiverse in dapper-backports :)
[02:39] <abattoir> Muz_: you mean the Installer in the live cd ?
[02:39] <Muz_> abattoir, yes
[02:40] <abattoir> Muz_: at what stage does the error occur?
[02:40] <Muz_> I click on it to get it to run, and immediately after a window forms, it gives me an error
[02:41] <abattoir> Muz_: is there no way to post the file /var/log/syslog/installer from that computer on pastebin?
[02:41] <Muz_> There's no internet connection on the machine
[02:41] <abattoir> or rather /var/log/installer/syslog
[02:41] <abattoir> Muz_: you cant copy it w/ a floppy/ flash drive?
[02:41] <Muz_> My laptop lacks a floppy drive
[02:42] <abattoir> Muz_: a USB flash drive ?
[02:42] <Muz_> I've got none
[02:42] <abattoir> hmmm, so there is no way at all?
[02:42] <Muz_> Not that I can think of
[02:42] <pierreth> hello
[02:43] <abattoir> ok.. so you just click it, and it says "Installer Crashed" ?
[02:43] <abattoir> hello pierreth :)
[02:43] <Muz_> Yup
[02:43] <pierreth> i made it!
[02:43] <abattoir> pierreth: awesome :)
[02:43] <abattoir> pierreth: how do you like kubuntu.... on a mac? :P
[02:43] <Muz_> It appears to be a number of problems with /user/lib/python2.4/site-packages/debconf.py
[02:43] <abattoir> Muz_: i'm sorry, i cant say much w/o looking at the error
[02:43] <Muz_> Amongst other things
[02:43] <Muz_> Hmmm
[02:43] <LinuxFTW> Alright, to makesure I don't make another stupid mistake.  The multiverse is "deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse" (I am in canada, hence the ca)
[02:44] <pierreth> i feel more free!
[02:44] <abattoir> Muz_: well, that's just the traceback
[02:44] <Muz_> Is there a way to install it on the terminal?
[02:44] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: you can just add multiverse next to main restricted
[02:44] <abattoir> in the same line
[02:44] <abattoir> no need to add a new one
[02:44] <pierreth> abattoir: i have a lot to do before it feels like i want but i am going to make it my wat
[02:45] <pierreth> abattioir:my way
[02:45] <ryanakca> ummm... why is half of konversation french and the other half english? like in the settings... and the output of /whois... and things under Windows (toolbar)... like I understand french and all.. but its just weird to have both in the same window/program
[02:45] <ryanakca> and I haven't installed french translations of anything...
[02:45] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: more like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18555
[02:45] <ryanakca> hmmm
[02:45] <pierreth> abattoir: may be you can help make it the way i want?
[02:45] <ubuntu_> &NICK AMARU
[02:46] <ubuntu_> was yur h;lle
[02:46] <abattoir> Muz_: you'd have to download the alternate cd
[02:46] <abattoir> pierreth: if i can, sure
[02:46] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: I'll just use that exact entry then?
[02:46] <Muz_> abattoir, got a link handy?
[02:46] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: what do you mean?
[02:46] <abattoir> Muz_: one sec
[02:46] <pierreth> abattoir: you would my mouse to scrool, where should i go?
[02:46] <Muz_> Sure
[02:47] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: I'll just copy that and put it over my current sources.list
[02:47] <abattoir> pierreth: what mouse? the mac soapbar mouse? or whatever it is called... :P ?
[02:47] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: you can do that :)
[02:48] <abattoir> Muz_: any mirror is ok? where are you?
[02:48] <centyx> hrm.
[02:48] <Muz_> UK
[02:48] <pierreth> abattoir: i have trackball from logitech
[02:48] <centyx> my dvd playback has become choppy all of a sudden
[02:48] <centyx> wonder why...
[02:48] <patrick_> How can i tell what kernel version my fglrx drivers are compiled for?
[02:48] <abattoir> Muz_: so a eu mirror is ok?
[02:48] <Muz_> It's fine with me :)
[02:48] <abattoir> i think i got a uk... wait
[02:49] <abattoir> Muz_: and its an i386 right?
[02:49] <Muz_> Correct
[02:49] <abattoir> pierreth: one sec
[02:49] <abattoir> Muz_: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-alternate-i386.iso
[02:50] <Muz_> Ace, thanks a lot
[02:50] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: I have it set on my dapper back ports to "main restricted universe multiverse", In Adept there still is no find on the xine extra codecs/libs (I did a search for xine) and my "add remove programs" refuses to start.   I believe a reboot is in order.  Be back in 2
[02:50] <abattoir> !dma > centyx
[02:50] <abattoir> pierreth: so it doesnt work out of the box huh?
[02:51] <abattoir> pierreth: only the scrolling? have you tried booting w/ the mouse connected?
[02:51] <pierreth> abattoir: almost... :-)
[02:51] <abattoir> hmmm... where did he go...
[02:51] <pierreth> abattoir: it is all time connected
[02:51] <abattoir> pierreth: huh?
[02:51] <abattoir> oh ok... got it
[02:51] <pierreth> abattoir: i don't have a wheel
[02:52] <ryanakca> ummm... why is half of konversation french and the other half english? like in the settings... and the output of /whois... and things under Windows (toolbar)... like I understand french and all.. but its just weird to have both in the same window/program. and no, I have not installed any french translations of anything...
[02:52] <abattoir> pierreth: then what doesnt work... i though you said scrolling doesn work
[02:52] <pierreth> abattoir: i just have buttons instead that i was used to use to scrool
[02:52] <abattoir> ryanakca: do you have french localisations installed ?
[02:52] <ryanakca> abattoir: how do I check...
[02:52] <patrick_> How can i tell what kernel version my fglrx drivers are compiled for?
[02:52] <pierreth> abattoir: i did? i forgot the negate
[02:53] <abattoir> pierreth: then you might need to map those buttons in xorg.conf... wait a sec
[02:53] <abattoir> pierreth: have a model no.?
[02:53] <abattoir> ryanakca: in adept?
[02:53] <nnn0> if you don't understand french, and haven't installed french - how do you know it's french ? :D
[02:53] <pierreth> abattoir: marble mouse usb
[02:54] <ryanakca> nnn0: I said I understood french... /whois me.. I'm in the ubuntu french channel :P
[02:54] <nnn0> ah :)
[02:54] <nnn0> hehe
[02:54] <nnn0> bad joke
[02:55] <ryanakca> eh hunh...
[02:55] <abattoir> pierreth: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77005.html look at Buffalo Soldier's post
[02:55] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: Alright, I am finding under "Add Remove programs" Xine extra plugins, though, it is appearing in gray and un-selectable.  Should I find another mirror on the web for this file?
[02:55] <nnn0> :o
[02:55] <pierreth> abattoir: ok
[02:55] <ryanakca> abattoir: hmmm... I guess I have installed fr... language-pack-kde-fr = installed
[02:55] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: did you copy paste from what i posted?
[02:56] <abattoir> ryanakca: well, that's what is messing around... is my guess
[02:56] <ryanakca> abattoir: but why are both showing up...
[02:56] <LinuxFTW> : Nope, I just added the multiverse to backports.  I will try again now with that exact sources list
[02:56] <LinuxFTW> !pastebin
[02:56] <ryanakca> abattoir: it should be one... or the other... I'll look in kcontrol for settings
[02:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:56] <abattoir> ryanakca: i have no clue... have never used any other language in a computer other than english :)
[02:56] <abattoir> ryanakca: could be a but too
[02:56] <jhak88> Hello, um... I'm trying to get as many video codecs as possible for my VLC
[02:57] <abattoir> LinuxFTW:  i said that is a mistake...
[02:57] <jhak88> .mkv, .vod, (all avi and mpeg)
[02:57] <slayer> Kubuntu!
[02:57] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: you can add it to backports, but the point is to add it to dapper not dapper-backports
[02:57] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: *Sorry main
[02:57] <jhak88> Like VLC on windows, I want that thing to play every thing
[02:57] <gemidjy> how can I install debs from /var/cache/apt/archive that are on my computer on other computer (using apt-get) ? Any way to tell apt-get that the files are downloaded?
[02:57] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: read properly :P
[02:57] <abattoir> jhak88: what about vlc... for linux :P
[02:57] <patrick_> How can i tell what kernel version my fglrx drivers are compiled for?
[02:57] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: Read properly, just didn't spell properlly = \.  Already tired
[02:58] <pierreth> abattoir: /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[02:58] <abattoir> indeed
[02:58] <jhak88> abattoir: VLC for Kubuntu
[02:58] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: you tried?
[02:58] <abattoir> pierreth: yes
[02:58] <abattoir> jhak88: yes
[02:58] <jhak88> abattoir: I want VLC to play every single media formats
[02:58] <pierreth> abattoir: i prefer to make change only for my user account, is it possible?
[02:58] <abattoir> jhak88: vlc for linux you can download from their site
[02:58] <abattoir> pierreth: i dont think so
[02:59] <abattoir> jhak88: i'm not sure if it is in the repos
[02:59] <pierreth> abattoir: ok
[02:59] <abattoir> !info vlc
[02:59] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player for all audio and video formats. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 7620 kB, installed size 18808 kB
[02:59] <abattoir> jhak88: ^^^^
[02:59] <ryanakca> abattoir: I think it's a bug... look in kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility -> Country/Region & Language.... the languages box says: "KDE programs will be displayed in the first available language in this list. If none of the languages are available, US English will be used."  1) British English, 2) French, 3) US English... so it should be showing up in British english... but it only is partially...
[02:59] <sotired> hello all
[02:59] <jhak88> abattoir: yeah it was in adept
[02:59] <abattoir> enable universe and you are good to go
[02:59] <sotired> how can i watch .asx strems?
[02:59] <abattoir> !universe
[02:59] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:00] <sotired> ive tried a bunch fo stuff and i cant get it to work. im trying to watch adult swim fix
[03:00] <abattoir> ryanakca: as i said, i have not experience w/ multilingual desktop computing, ask in -fr, since you are already there, if you think its a bug, file one :)
[03:00] <sotired> oooh...kofi annan is on larry king
[03:01] <sotired> he is as reggae superstar
[03:01] <jhak88> abattoir: Is there place to download more codecs for VLC?
[03:01] <ryanakca> abattoir: I'll file a bug :)
[03:02] <jhak88> abattoir: like .mkv, .vob, (all avi and mpeg) .ogg
[03:02] <abattoir> jhak88: doesnt it come with everything built-in?
[03:02] <centyx> silly me, i hadn't installed the matching linux-restricted-modules for my updated kernel
[03:02] <abattoir> jhak88: i dont know, check their site
[03:02] <centyx> so i was missing fglrx
[03:02] <jhak88> abattoir: I'll be right back
[03:02] <pierreth> abattoir: vi does not want to write the file
[03:02] <abattoir> pierreth: try 'sudo kate'
[03:03] <abattoir> pierreth: then open the file manually
[03:03] <LinuxFTW>  abattoir: I just did a search on the add remove programs, It is installing and downloading now.  Thanks for your patience ^^; I'm not the most linux savvy person there is.
[03:04] <patrick_> How can i tell what kernel version my fglrx drivers are compiled for?
[03:04] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: everyone has a learning curve... you only have to be patient during the period. :)
[03:05] <abattoir> LinuxFTW: ... then its fun all the way ;)
[03:07] <sotired> is anyone here able to watch .asx streams in firefox?
[03:07] <abattoir> which codec? wmv ?
[03:07] <sotired> i believe so
[03:07] <sotired> i can play wmv files
[03:07] <Tsed> I think asx streams are generally wmv.
[03:07] <sotired> im trying to watch stuff at adultswimfix.com
[03:08] <sotired> its no emergency...just something iwould like to have the ability to do :)
[03:08] <patrick_> How can i tell what kernel version my fglrx drivers are compiled for?
[03:08] <abattoir> sotired: heh
[03:08] <pierreth> abattoir: why vi was unable to open the file?
[03:08] <jhak88> hi again, I got some codecs, but the video isn't showing up, is there any known fix for this?
[03:08] <Tsed> sotired: I'm checking if my install plays them...
[03:08] <jhak88> (VLC)
[03:08] <sotired> thanks Tsed
[03:08] <abattoir> pierreth: you need 'root' permission to open the file, so try 'sudo vi'
[03:09] <abattoir> jhak88: i'd suggest looking at the documentation in the vlc site
[03:09] <pierreth> abattoir: this is what i did
[03:09] <abattoir> pierreth: and what did it say?
[03:10] <pierreth> abattoir: vi was able to open a file, a empty file. but was unable to write
[03:10] <Tsed> sotired: mplayer-plugin appears to be playing it fine here.
[03:10] <LinuxFTW>  Well, I'm logging off.  Thanks for all the help abattoir, I'm listening to music right now : ).  Later fellow kubuntu users
[03:10] <abattoir> pierreth: you did 'sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[03:10] <sotired> Tsed: i have mplayer...is mplayer-plugin part of a different ackage?
[03:10] <sotired> package even
[03:11] <abattoir> pierreth: 'sudo vi' opens a blank file by default
[03:11] <Tsed> mozilla-mplayer < There you go. :)
[03:11] <abattoir> !info mozilla-mplayer
[03:11] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 3.17-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 421 kB, installed size 1500 kB
[03:12] <pierreth> abattoir: i guess i misstyped :-)
[03:12] <abattoir> pierreth: :)
[03:12] <sotired> ill try it now thanks you ubotu and Tsed
[03:12] <Tsed> No prob.
[03:12] <pierreth> abattoir: now i have to logout to make the change effective?
[03:12] <eva_> I have a problem with the sond card and my TV card. Sometimes the TV card is configured as first soundcard and then I can't adjust the sound properly.
[03:12] <abattoir> pierreth: you saved the file right?
[03:12] <abattoir> pierreth: yes, log out and log back in
[03:12] <pierreth> abattoir: of course!
[03:13] <abattoir> pierreth: or rather restart x
[03:13] <eva_> Can someone please explain me how to fix which is soundcard 0 and which is soundcard 1?
[03:13] <pierreth> abattoir: can i avoid typing your name all the time?
[03:13] <abattoir> pierreth: make sure you close all open applications, press 'ctrl +'alt'+F1
[03:13] <sotired> it worked thanks everyone
[03:13] <abattoir> pierreth: just press tab, my name might come up
[03:13] <pierreth> abattoir: ok!
[03:14] <abattoir> pierreth: otherwise, its difficult to find who is talking with who :)
[03:14] <pierreth> abattoir: ok, i try it now!
[03:14] <abattoir> sure
[03:22] <pierreth> abattoir: what do you did to me?
[03:23] <abattoir> pierreth: huh?
[03:23] <pierreth> abattoir: i was stuck after ctrl-alt-f1
[03:23] <pierreth> abattoir: these keys are dangerous
[03:23] <abattoir> pierreth: i said F1..? oops sorry, meant Backspave
[03:23] <abattoir> *Backspace
[03:23] <abattoir> that's what happens when you help 5 ppl at a time :(
[03:23] <pierreth> abattoir: what i did?
[03:24] <abattoir> i'm really sorry
[03:24] <abattoir> pierreth: you switched to a virtual terminal
[03:24] <abattoir> pierreth: try it again ;)
[03:24] <abattoir> you can use ctrl+alt+F7 to get back :)
[03:24] <pierreth> abattoir: i did not know!
[03:25] <pierreth> what is alt-opt-backspace?
[03:25] <abattoir> pierreth: again, sorry, i meant backspace... was distracted
[03:25] <abattoir> pierreth: you mean ctrl+alt+bs ?
[03:25] <pierreth> abattoir: it is ok :-)
[03:25] <abattoir> pierreth: it restarts your X server
[03:25] <pierreth> abattoir: i am confuse whit the keys of the mac
[03:25] <abattoir> pierreth: i was thinking of the same
[03:25] <abattoir> you dont have alt right?
[03:26] <pierreth> abattoir: it is dangerous too
[03:26] <pierreth> abattoir: we have opt intead
[03:26] <abattoir> pierreth: dangerous ?
[03:26] <abattoir> pierreth: what's dangerous?
[03:26] <pierreth> abattoir: i mean it kills everything
[03:26] <Dasnipa`> lol some packages are so strange... like "mencal"
[03:26] <ben__> if i ctrl+alt+F1 i just get a blank screen, not a terminal
[03:26] <abattoir> pierreth: i warned you, close all open apps...
[03:27] <abattoir> ben__: it gives me virtual terminal into which you should login.....
[03:27] <pierreth> abattoir: i tought that the shortcut was going to do that
[03:27] <abattoir>  <abattoir> pierreth: make sure you close all open applications, press 'ctrl +'alt'+F1
[03:27] <ben__> abattoir: yeah i know but i don't get a log in terminal i just get a blank screen
[03:28] <pierreth> abattoir: it is not working
[03:28] <abattoir> ben__: hmmm... i dont know... maybe they werent initiated...
[03:28] <abattoir> pierreth: the mouse?
[03:28] <pierreth> abattoir: hep
[03:28] <abattoir> pierreth: what is not working?
[03:28] <pierreth> abattoir: it does not scrool
[03:28] <abattoir> pierreth: i have no other idea... the guy there says it works...
[03:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> What's not working?
[03:29] <pierreth> abattoir: is it because i use a usb hub?
[03:29] <abattoir> pierreth: another guy says that too
[03:29] <abattoir> pierreth: i dont think so
[03:29] <pierreth> CheeseBurgerMan: hello
[03:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Howdy
[03:29] <abattoir> pierreth: you did the same exact thing that guy said?
[03:30] <pierreth> CheeseBurgerMan: i mouse does not scrool
[03:30] <pierreth> abattoir: no, i added the line that were not already in my file
[03:30] <abattoir> pierreth: or you could use xev and see if the nos. he states match yours
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, I think I'll have to pass on that one. :(
[03:30] <abattoir> pierreth: paste it on pastebin
[03:31] <pierreth> abattoir: xev is a tool?
[03:31] <abattoir> pierreth: yes, its a command line utility w/ a graphical interface...
[03:31] <abattoir> your movements in the graphical interface are printed in the cli
[03:32] <abattoir> pierreth: could you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[03:32] <pierreth> abattoir: it does nothing when i press the buttons to scrool
[03:33] <abattoir> pierreth: could you please paste your xorg.conf?
[03:33] <pierreth> abattoir: yes
[03:33] <abattoir> pierreth: what does nothing? xev ?
[03:34] <pierreth> abattoir: xev
[03:34] <abattoir> pierreth: hmm, that sounds weird, you sure the buttons work?
[03:34] <abattoir> because if they emit a signal, xev should pick it up
[03:34] <abattoir> afaik
[03:35] <pierreth> abattoir: i am sorry but because i was on the cd, i was not able to bookmark, can you again give me the url for pasting
[03:35] <pierreth> abattoir: the buttons works for the mac
[03:35] <abattoir> !pastebin
[03:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:35] <abattoir> pierreth: then xev should show some info for the buttons
[03:36] <Tsed> ben__: re: the blank terminal.  I had the same issue for awhile.  IIRC, disabling the splash gets them back... I think I may have played with framebuffer resolutions afterwards as well.
[03:36] <Tsed> ben__: Other than that, though, I don't know *what* causes that.  I've seen it a few times. :/
[03:37] <abattoir> pierreth: xev gives no output at all ?
[03:37] <abattoir> pierreth: you are running the command from konsole right?
[03:38] <pierreth> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18557
[03:39] <pierreth> abattoir: xev gives output for my mouse moves but not for the buttons that i press
[03:40] <ironfroggy> are there any tools available to help me sync and share configuration settings between kubuntu boxes?
[03:40] <ironfroggy> for example, id like to share my kopete account settings.
[03:42] <abattoir> pierreth: you havent copied stuff from that guy's post?
[03:42] <abattoir> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18559
[03:43] <abattoir> this should work... try it out
[03:43] <pierreth> abattoir: may be it is because the ctrl-alt-F1 stuff :-)
[03:43] <abattoir> pierreth: bleh...
[03:44] <abattoir> pierreth: blame me... ;)
[03:44] <pierreth> abattoir: could you give the url again? :-)
[03:44] <noiesmo> I got a laptop everytime I reboot it it wants root password for maintenance or Control-D but control-D does not work how can i stop it wanting to do this when ever I reboot
[03:44] <abattoir> ok... anyways, if X gets borked and doesnt startup....<- this shouldnt happen, but still if it does, run 'sudo dexconf'
[03:44] <abattoir> pierreth: which one?
[03:45] <pierreth> abattoir: the one for the mouse
[03:45] <abattoir> to that guy's post?
[03:45] <pierreth> abattoir: yes
[03:45] <abattoir> pierreth: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77005.html Buffalo Soldier
[03:46] <pierreth> abattoir: the site is now down
[03:47] <abattoir> "The forums will be back shortly. We are giving the database some love.."
[03:47] <abattoir> indeed
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's a rather disturbing thought, but I think we should leave it at that. ;)
[03:48] <pierreth> abattoir: how can i add a keyboard?
[03:48] <abattoir> CheeseBurgerMan: all these geek developers :P
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol :D
[03:48] <abattoir> pierreth: its already added...
[03:48] <abattoir> pierreth: what do you exactly mean?
[03:49] <pierreth> abattoir: i want a canadian csa layout
[03:50] <abattoir> pierreth: aah, ok, Kcontrol -> Regional and Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout
[03:50] <pierreth> abattoir: it is not there
[03:50] <abattoir> mac keyboards come w/ canadian layouts? :S
[03:51] <pierreth> abattoir: whit the csa layout in canada
[03:51] <pierreth> abattoir: appple takes care :-)
[03:51] <abattoir> pierreth: i have no idea what csa is... but there is an entry w/ a Canadian flag in mine
[03:52] <pierreth> abattoir: yes this a canadian layout, this is not the csa canadian layout
[03:52] <abattoir> pierreth: oh, then i have no clue
[03:52] <Tommy2k4> running 'make' completely froze my pc :S
[03:52] <pierreth> abattoir: what? you don't know everything? ;-)
[03:52] <abattoir> pierreth: hehe, lol
[03:53] <abattoir> that's what's called 'pinching one's ego'
[03:53] <abattoir> my friends do it all the time to take adv. of me :P
[03:53] <abattoir> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-67354.html
[03:54] <abattoir> look at it when it comes back up
[03:54] <BKaj> csa = canadian standards association sorta like your UL
[03:54] <abattoir> or i'll get a cached version, wait
[03:54] <abattoir> BKaj: *my* UL ?
[03:54] <abattoir> http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:Z3dV5WpZf50J:ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-67354.html+ubuntu+csa+canadian+keyboard+layout&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
[03:54] <BKaj> US=UL
[03:55] <abattoir> BKaj: well, what if i was not *from* the US? :P
[03:55] <BKaj> then it's something else :)
[03:55] <abattoir> BKaj: hehe
[03:56] <BKaj> why there's a canadian KB layout beats me ..unless it's the french one meant for french speakers
[03:56] <abattoir> pierreth: ca(fr) is what you are looking at, i guess
[03:57] <abattoir> BKaj: French keyboard is in azerty
[03:57] <abattoir> Canadian french is qwerty
[03:57] <BKaj> yup that's the quebec and french-canadian layout
[03:57] <abattoir> heh, that's what that page^^^^^^ thought me :P
I don't understand why most people want to stick with the old horrible legacy French Canadian keyboard. It's less efficient! </quote>
[03:58] <abattoir> :P
[03:59] <BKaj> where are you abattoir?
[03:59] <abattoir> BKaj: in the Bat-Cave :P
[03:59] <abattoir> dont ask me where that is :P
[04:00] <abattoir> no-one knows
[04:00] <BKaj> come now
[04:00] <Ertain> Does anyone know about Direct Connect, that file-sharing thing?
[04:00] <BKaj> yeah it sucks
[04:00] <BKaj> clunky as hell
[04:01] <BKaj> In my experience
[04:01] <abattoir> BKaj: you are asking me because of the <quote></quote> ?
[04:01] <abattoir> that was lifted right from the forum page that i posted
[04:01] <abattoir> not my opinion in any way...
[04:02] <pierreth> abattoir: no it is not, i know! :-) i am using it now
[04:02] <abattoir> as i told someone before, i have never used any other language other than english on the desktop, and any other keyboard other than us
[04:02] <abattoir> pierreth: that was for the 'inefficient' comment?
[04:02] <abattoir> pierreth: i was just playing w/ you guys ;)
[04:03] <BKaj> no just nosey abattoir
[04:03] <Ertain> I've typed in Japanese.  Hard to get it to work in Linux.  Even when I get it to work in Kubuntu, whenever I started a program, it would start the input method program (in my case, Skim).
[04:03] <abattoir> BKaj: oh, hehe, than Bat-cave will do :)
[04:03] <abattoir> Ertain: that reminds me, i should get skim Japanese support
[04:04] <abattoir> Ertain: how is kanji support in scim/skim?
[04:05] <Ertain> abattoir: Eh, it's pretty good.  You can switch between it and kana with simple button combinations.  Just start typing and kana will  pop up, along with a list of kanji.  If you type enough, it'll just type in the first kanji on the list.
[04:06] <abattoir> Ertain: nice, i have seen only screenies, badly wanted to try it....
[04:06] <abattoir> Ertain: thanks for the info :)
[04:06] <BKaj> I did a traceroute on your IP abattoir, but I won't reveal yer whereabouts unless you give permission :)
[04:06] <Ertain> abattoir: I've typed out pages of comic translations in Kword with Skim.
[04:07] <abattoir> pierreth: not trying ?
[04:07] <pierreth> abattoir: i am lookingin
[04:07] <abattoir> BKaj: how do you know that i am not using a proxy?
[04:07] <abattoir> BKaj: do you think i'll reveal the location of the bat-cave that easily?
[04:07] <BKaj> well , some how I doubt that
[04:08] <abattoir> BKaj: well, see my IP address the next time, will be from an entirely different continent...
[04:08] <abattoir> if you have access to logs, see my IP from previous sessions
[04:08] <abattoir> see if they all matchup :)
[04:08] <BKaj> I don't care if ppl know where I live ...I'm proud to be a Canadian ! :)
[04:09] <abattoir> BKaj: you mean to say Bruce Wayne was not proud being an American? ;)
[04:09] <BKaj> who gives  sh..t ? :)
[04:09] <abattoir> BKaj: what did your trace reveal?
[04:10] <abattoir> BKaj: i'm getting a bat-cloak :-\
[04:10] <abattoir> >> <BKaj> who gives  sh..t ? :)<< : About Bruce Wayne or Americans and their patriotism? :P
[04:11] <abattoir> or is it Americans in general ? ;)
[04:11] <crimsun> ok, we're wandering way off-topic
[04:11] <abattoir> BKaj: ????
[04:12] <abattoir> crimsun: ok, ok, sorry
[04:12] <abattoir> i got carried away
[04:14] <ku> Hi guys, I just installed kubuntu but I'm having trouble updating my video drivers. I've tried following all the guides online, but I can't seem to get the "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" line
[04:14] <ubuntu_> i was wondering if i can get some help installing ubunto i am having trouble
[04:14] <ku> Can anybody help me? ^^
[04:15] <ubuntu_> everytime it goes to reformatt it gets to about 15% of reformatting then does a quick switch to system install and says failed creating filesystem
[04:15] <ubuntu_> anyone have any clue why
[04:16] <abattoir> ubuntu_:  the installer crashes?
[04:16] <ubuntu_> yeah
[04:16] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: Do you think your HD is corrupted or not partitioned/formatted correctly?
[04:16] <ubuntu_> don't think hd is corrupted had fedora on right before i tried this
[04:16] <ubuntu_> it fails while ubuntu tries to formatt the hadd
[04:16] <ubuntu_> hd i mean
[04:16] <abattoir> ubuntu_: which filesystem type? XFS ?
[04:16] <ubuntu_> ext3
[04:17] <ubuntu_> and swap
[04:17] <abattoir> ubuntu_: have you tried repeating the process?
[04:17] <ubuntu_> i think i am newb
[04:17] <ubuntu_> yes
[04:17] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: did you wipe out the partitions and start over?
[04:17] <ubuntu_> different ways and sizes of partitions too
[04:17] <ubuntu_> yup
[04:17] <micah> hello
[04:17] <ubuntu_> if some one wants to vnc into my machine and try it they can
[04:17] <PokerFacePenguin> mdsum on cd ok?
[04:17] <ubuntu_> i have that setup right now
[04:18] <abattoir> pierreth: it worked?
[04:18] <ubuntu_> how do i do that
[04:18] <pierreth> abattoir: no, i have a hard time :-(
[04:18] <abattoir> pierreth: i have to go to bed... catch you later... :)
[04:18] <abattoir> pierreth: why is that?
[04:18] <nikkiana> grrr... why can't i remember how to do anything....
[04:18] <ubuntu_> poker face how do i do that
[04:18] <nikkiana> someone take pity on a poor girl and remind her how to change her default web browser using the console?
[04:19] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: i am wondering if your cd  that you burned is ok
[04:19] <abattoir> pierreth: you replaced xorg.conf with the one i gave?
[04:19] <BKaj> abattoir: i was away for a few, i'm not anti US , and my trace showed india
[04:19] <ubuntu_> how do i check it from the kde enviroment
[04:19] <pierreth> abattoir: you gave what?
[04:20] <abattoir> BKaj: well, believe what you want :)
[04:20] <BKaj> good cover
[04:20] <abattoir> pierreth: i gave you a modified xorg.conf
[04:20] <abattoir> BKaj: waht cover?
[04:20] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: this might help http://maconlinux.net/linux-man-pages/en/md5sum.1.html
[04:20] <abattoir> *what
[04:20] <abattoir> pierreth: i gave you a pastebin link
[04:21] <abattoir> pierreth: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18559 here it is again
[04:21] <BKaj> yer going to bed that prolly means uk
[04:21] <abattoir> BKaj: well... as i said, you can guess all you want :)
[04:21] <BKaj> :)
[04:21] <ubuntu_> yeah poker but where do i get the number for md5sum i don't see it on ubuntu website
[04:21] <abattoir> pierreth: try that and restart, mouse should work...
[04:22] <abattoir> pierreth, BKaj : catch you guys tomorrow... or later today :P
[04:22] <pierreth> abattoir: thank you!!
[04:22] <abattoir> pierreth: np :)
[04:22] <BKaj> c ya abattoir
[04:22] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: they are usually in the same directory as the file you downloaded...let me run over there real quick and see
[04:23] <abattoir> you too BKaj :)
[04:23] <ubuntu_> yeah i got that now how do i do it on the image of the cd
[04:23] <test> hiya
[04:24] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: check this out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[04:28] <ubuntu_> how long does md5sum normally take
[04:29] <PokerFacePenguin> usually quick
[04:29] <ubuntu_> well i started before i wrote that last msg and it is still running
[04:29] <ubuntu_> in the terminal
[04:29] <ubuntu_> still going too
[04:29] <PokerFacePenguin> is the cd spinning ?
[04:29] <ubuntu_> yes
[04:30] <ubuntu_> this is what i typed "/usr/bin/md5sum -c md5sum.txt | grep -v 'OK$'"
[04:30] <helpmeee> im trying to run shareaza in wine but it never seems to connect to any of the urls i's querying :( any idea how to fix this?
[04:31] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: i'd let it run for a bit, best not to be too hasty
[04:31] <ubuntu_> ok
[04:31] <ubuntu_> if this comes back ok then what do i do
[04:31] <ubuntu_> and it did just finish with no errors
[04:31] <PokerFacePenguin> then you are golden on your disc, otherwise, burn a new disc
[04:31] <PokerFacePenguin> ok, so that narrows it down
[04:32] <ubuntu_> so how do i get this to install
[04:32] <PokerFacePenguin> you wiped out all the partitions and started from scratch?
[04:32] <ubuntu_> yes with the installer that comes with unbuntu
[04:32] <ubuntu_> did it automatically and manually
[04:33] <PokerFacePenguin> and how far u get?
[04:33] <yoshu> does anyone know why amarok and kaffine will not play my mp3's?
[04:33] <ubuntu_> made it to step 6 of 6 install
[04:33] <ubuntu_> but in that step it tries to creat ext3 and it gets to 15% then says failed creating file system
[04:34] <yoshu> it just cycles through them - I'm using the xine engine, and dapper
[04:34] <PokerFacePenguin> i would try it with ext2 just for grins, because ext3 is just ext2 with journaling
[04:34] <PokerFacePenguin> you can convert it after install
[04:34] <ubuntu_> ok i might need you to help me walk threw the manual setup of the partitons then
[04:34] <PokerFacePenguin> tune2fs does that if i am not mistaken
[04:35] <PokerFacePenguin> is this the only os on the puter?
[04:35] <ubuntu_> yes
[04:35] <PokerFacePenguin> you have a seperate /home partition?
[04:35] <ubuntu_> don't know what you mean by that
[04:35] <yoshu> anyone else have mp3 problems with amarok/kaffine?  ?
[04:36] <PokerFacePenguin> that means if you want to reinstall, you can keep all your data and settings ;)
[04:36] <ubuntu_> no i odn't think so
[04:36] <yoshu> i have amarok 1.4
[04:36] <test> will the /home partition automount?
[04:36] <PokerFacePenguin> i would set up a /boot, /, /home, and swap partitions
[04:36] <ubuntu_> wheat i did is put the cd in chose the first option to start or install ubuntu got the the kde desktop then chose install icon
[04:36] <yoshu> i usually use debian sid, I've never had this problem
[04:36] <PokerFacePenguin> install it to /
[04:37] <yoshu> this is supposed to be a stable OS and I can't even play mp3's? wtf
[04:37] <ubuntu_> poker can you vnc into this computer and install it for me or atleast setup the partitions
[04:37] <test> and how much space should one put aside for /home?
[04:38] <PokerFacePenguin> for /home, the most
[04:38] <PokerFacePenguin> i use like 10g for / and that is overkill
[04:38] <test> so how much does one need for /?
[04:38] <BKaj> test are you planning on doing any video editing or burning, like large file work
[04:38] <BKaj> ?
[04:39] <test> bkaj: Possibly,
[04:40] <test> will my network settings save in /home too?
[04:40] <BKaj> my hdd is 160G , 120 for NTFS-windows and 40 for kubuntu / and swap
[04:40] <BKaj> swap is 500Mb
[04:40] <ubuntu_> poker are you willing to remote desktop into this machine
[04:41] <BKaj> I do some video stuff and I find that what i'm using is plenty
[04:41] <test> bkaj: how much do you have for / and /home?
[04:42] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: I just upgraded to breezy and haven't tweeked it out to allow all that kinda stuff yet
[04:42] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: dapper
[04:42] <PokerFacePenguin> lol
[04:42] <BKaj> 30
[04:42] <ubuntu_> you don't have vnc on the comp you are at
[04:43] <yoshu> you've all been really helpful
[04:44] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: whats yer ip
[04:44] <BKaj> vnc .. no
[04:44] <yoshu> I'm about to abandon Kubuntu; does a dist-upgrade move up to testing?
[04:47] <jimmy__> hey does anybody know how to install macroflash 9?
[04:47] <jimmy__> i am new to kubuntu
[04:47] <ubuntu_> poker it is 24.250.8.202
[04:47] <ubuntu_> password 123456
[04:48] <BKaj> geez, if the guy just wants to play mp3s ...why not just use windoze ? :)
[04:49] <jimmy__> test: hey do you remember me?
[04:50] <jimmy__> everytime i try to install macroflash 9 it wont let me
[04:50] <ubuntu_> poker you going to log in
[04:55] <PokerFacePenguin> ubuntu_: having to reconfig stuff
[04:56] <jimmy__> if it is not too trouble, i have a question.
[04:57] <satafterh> adept freezes up al lthe time, is there a fix for this
[04:59] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: Just ask
[05:06] <edgard> a
[05:07] <Zarel> Well, I've decided to try Kubuntu.
[05:08] <Zarel> Right now, it's still in live CD mode; haven't installed it yet.
[05:08] <Zarel> But I was wondering, how do I increase my resolution?
[05:08] <Zarel> It's currently stuck at 600x480, which is nowhere near enough.
[05:10] <BKaj> you can't unrtil it's installed, Zarel...but you can make the panel "tiny"  so you can access the "next" buttons by right clicking in the panel
[05:10] <Zarel> !!!!!!
[05:10] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!!!! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:11] <Zarel> What's the point of a Live CD if the largest resolution is 600x480?!
[05:11] <BKaj> configure panel to "tiny '
[05:11] <Zarel> Hmm. Helps a bit, but doesn't answer my question.
[05:11] <osiris> BKaj, you can adjust it in live mode, you just cant comit the changes
[05:11] <Tommy2k4> zarel, do you see system settings on k-menu?
[05:12] <BKaj> you won't be able to change the rez till kubuntu is installed
[05:13] <osiris> then how come i did it on the box, not 15 feet from me
[05:13] <BKaj> he still won't see the "next" buttons tho
[05:13] <Zarel> Tommy2k4: Yes, but the only option is 600x480.
[05:13] <BKaj> depends on the monitor I guess
[05:14] <Zarel> I can see the next buttons now, I set the panel to "tiny"
[05:14] <Tommy2k4> dunno if youd be able to edit xorg.conf and restart X from livecd
[05:14] <BKaj> good , now just install the OS
[05:14] <Zarel> First, I have a question.
[05:15] <Zarel> What's the point of having a LiveCD if the only resolution it's possible to set it at makes the operating system virtually unusable?
[05:15] <Zarel> (Just out of curiosity)
[05:15] <Tommy2k4> i used livecd yesterday on another pc and im sure the default was 1024x768 or bigger
[05:15] <Frederick> folks doesn't kubuntu features monopod?
[05:15] <Tommy2k4> it would depend on hardware im guessing
[05:16] <BKaj> dunno Zarel, i asked the same question ...it has to do with the cheaper video cards default , was the answer I got
[05:16] <Zarel> I don't have room to install Ubuntu.
[05:16] <Zarel> Without getting rid of one of these partitions.
[05:16] <wolfmanz> anyone have any idea how i get my login resolution to match my desktop resolution?
[05:16] <Zarel> Oh, whatever. Vista can go.
[05:18] <Zarel> Also, the multiple desktop thing should default to off, and the panel should default to tiny, when the resolution is 600x480.
[05:18] <BKaj> how much room do you have for ubintu Zarel?
[05:18] <pierreth> hello, i would like to set the resolution of my screen
[05:18] <Zarel> I mean, it's pretty much unusable otherwise.
[05:18] <Zarel> BKaj: 40 GB if I trash my Vista partition.
[05:19] <BKaj> you can still run vista on 20 and ubuntu on the other 20
[05:19] <Zarel> Nah. Vista sucks.
[05:19] <BKaj> do you have a partioner utility ?
[05:19] <Zarel> Well, time to click that "Install" button. If I get connection reset by peer or something, you know why.
[05:19] <Zarel> Not that anyone cares.
[05:20] <BKaj> You can make room with a partitioner, Zarel
[05:21] <Zarel> BKaj: Again, no need to make room.
[05:21] <Zarel> I seriously doubt I'll ever boot to Vista again.
[05:21] <pierreth> how can i add new screen resolution?
[05:21] <Zarel> Its support for my computer's drivers is terrible.
[05:21] <BKaj> ok , it's yer pc :)
[05:21] <Tommy2k4> pierreth,  kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:21] <Zarel> Not to mention it's impossible to turn off mouseover animations.
[05:21] <pierreth> Tommy2k4: ok!
[05:22] <Zarel> I mean, when I mouseover something, I want it to light up immediately. It increases usability that way.
[05:22] <Zarel> I can understand that fading makes it look prettier, but at least LET ME TURN IT OFF
[05:22] <BKaj> yeah Zarel, I tried it as well, no sound and my dhcp was all screwed up , took forever to get on the net
[05:22] <Tsed> Hmm.  Can someone recommend a KDE-based newsreader?  Knode doesn't seem to want to work (related to the fact that it's been dead for 2 years, maybe? :/ )
[05:23] <Zarel> Tsed: Do you consider Thunderbird to be KDE-based?
[05:23] <Tsed> Zarel: Nope. :)
[05:23] <BKaj> RSS?
[05:24] <Zarel> Worth a try.
[05:24] <wolfmanz> anyone have any idea how i get my login resolution to match my desktop resolution?
[05:24] <Zarel> So. Anyway.
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Tsed: akregator
[05:25] <Tsed> Hawkwind: Er, isn't akregator just a feed reader?  I'm looking for a newsgroup reader.
[05:25] <Hawkwind> Tsed: pan
[05:25] <Hawkwind> Tsed: Sorry, I misread newsreader as RSS reader
[05:26] <Tsed> Hawkwind: Yeah, I'm aware of pan, was just wondering if there was a decent KDE/Qt client.
[05:27] <Tsed> In any case, not a huge deal.  Just something I'm kinda surprised isn't integrated into Kontact yet.
[05:30] <satafterh> anyone else have issue with adept freesing up sometimes
[05:32] <Healot> nay
[05:32] <satafterh> whats a good software firewall?
[05:33] <aldo> hola
[05:33] <Healot> satafterh, you meant firewall rules builder GUI?
[05:33] <Healot> i'd say firestarter
[05:36] <Tommy2k4> time for bed now, cya
[05:38] <BKaj> some installed programs won't lauch with "run" and aren't listed in the kicker ...what gives ?
[05:41] <Tsed> BKaj: Can you give an example?  And did you just install these programs?
[05:41] <pierreth> hello, i am still unable to change my screen resolution
[05:41] <BKaj> vnc for one
[05:42] <Tsed> BKaj: The server, a client?  Which package/what command are you trying to run?
[05:43] <BKaj> pierreth: i installed a FTP program that is nowhere tob e found too
[05:43] <BKaj> reboot?
[05:44] <BKaj> oh sorry pierreth, you need tobe admin to change the resolution
[05:44] <pierreth> BKaj: yes, but the resolution that i want is no there
[05:45] <Tsed> BKaj: Which FTP program?  A client, server?  I usually get the menus to refresh after installing packages by running "kbuildsycoca"... that may help if it's *supposed* to have a menu entry.
[05:45] <BKaj> move the slider
[05:47] <BKaj> brb
[05:47] <pierreth> BKaj: i cannot move the slider farther to the right, my resolution is not there
[05:47] <BKaj> how hi?
[05:47] <sdrac8> pierreth: what resolution are you trying to get?
[05:47] <Tsed> pierreth: The resolution you want *is* listed in your xorg.conf, though?
[05:47] <intelikey> anyone know what mounts these and why ?
[05:47] <intelikey> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw)
[05:47] <intelikey> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw)
[05:48] <pierreth> Tsed: i added it
[05:48] <pierreth> Tsed: first for the 24 bit depth only
[05:48] <Tommy2k4> wtf!
[05:48] <Tommy2k4> my kubuntu is in zoom mode or something
[05:48] <pierreth> Tsed: now, i added it for all the depth
[05:49] <Tsed> pierreth: When you run "xrandr", does that resolution get listed?
[05:49] <intelikey> oh hehhe never mind.  it looks like thats a bogus mount.
[05:49] <pierreth> Tsed: no, it is not
[05:49] <archangel_> sup folks
[05:50] <Tsed> Hrmm.
[05:50] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu crashed again so when i rebooted and turned monitor off before it booted up cos i was gonna go to bed
[05:50] <pierreth> Tsed: do i have to restart X?
[05:50] <Tommy2k4> and now i turn monitor on and its in zoom mode or something
[05:50] <Tommy2k4> zoomed in very far and if i move mouse to the edge of the screen it scrolls around
[05:50] <archangel_> linux just freaked me out
[05:50] <Healot> sure
[05:51] <Healot> doesn't suprise me...
[05:51] <Tsed> pierreth: You won't access the updated xorg.conf until you restart X, but it sounds like you might need a bit more fiddling anyway. :)
[05:51] <archangel_> but it draws me to question
[05:51] <archangel_> my asus bit the dust
[05:51] <nikkiana> what do i need to do to set my default browser using console? I can't remember....
[05:51] <pierreth> Tsed: well, i made a restart when i made the change for one depth
[05:51] <intelikey> Tommy2k4 [ctrl] +[alt] +[+] 
[05:52] <archangel_> just got a gigabyte and put the machine back to gether
[05:52] <pierreth> Tsed: do all the depth must have the same resolutions?
[05:52] <intelikey> Tommy2k4 [ctrl] +[alt] +[-]    those are the zoom keys.
[05:52] <archangel_> linux booted right up
[05:52] <Tsed> pierreth: Specifically, you might want to check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any output regarding that resolution.
[05:52] <Tsed> pierreth: Nope.
[05:52] <archangel_> with windows I would have to reinstall
[05:52] <archangel_> show I just in case?
[05:53] <archangel_> should I just in case?
[05:53] <Zarel> Okay, I'm back now.
[05:53] <Tsed> pierreth: I suspect that your horizsync or vertrefresh may not be entirely correct, which could make X chuck out that resolution as invalid.
[05:54] <Zarel> Um.
[05:54] <archangel_> anybody here for an wasy one?
[05:54] <Zarel> su is giving "authentication failed"
[05:54] <intelikey> Zarel how are yo using 'su'  ?
[05:55] <Tsed> pierreth: I suggest you check the specs on your monitor and compare them to your xorg.conf.  Just be careful with those settings... setting them improperly can cause problems (as in hardware damage)... or so I'm told.
[05:55] <Zarel> intelikey: Typing "su" and pressing Enter.
[05:55] <Zarel> intelikey: Then typing my password.
[05:55] <intelikey> Zarel and you have set a root password ?
[05:56] <Zarel> intelikey: No.
[05:56] <Zarel> Leaving it blank doesn't work either.
[05:56] <pierreth> Tsed: i am sure of the resolution i am setting 1280x1024
[05:56] <intelikey> then you can't inter a passwd for 'su'   try   sudo su -
[05:56] <Tsed> pierreth: *nod*, but the horizsync and vertrefresh settings for your monitor may be off.
[05:57] <intelikey> Zarel no leaving it blank wont work either.   hehhe no.
[05:57] <Zarel> intelikey: It still asks me for a password.
[05:57] <intelikey> yes and use yours.
[05:57] <archangel_> I need help
[05:57] <pierreth> Tsed: i have this in the log: (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
[05:57] <intelikey> it is sudo asking,  not su.  sudo uses your passwd.  su uses the target's passwd.
[05:57] <Tsed> archangel_: I don't see why you would need to reinstall. :p
[05:57] <Zarel> FINALLY
[05:58] <Tsed> pierreth: There you go!  Look up the horizsync of your display, then you can add that to your xorg.conf.
[05:58] <archangel_> Tsed: cool thanx, that was my first question
[05:58] <Zarel> Okay.
[05:59] <Zarel> Question: How do I change my resolution?
[05:59] <pierreth> Tsed: ok
[05:59] <archangel_> Tsed: how to I get my video card to use 3d exceleration
[05:59] <Tsed> archangel_: What video card?
[06:00] <intelikey> pierreth and Tsed  you do know that   /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py  may rewrite your /etc/X11/xorg.conf at boot time.   if you customize xorg  disable  displayconfig-hwprobe.py
[06:00] <archangel_> nvidia  ............. crap I just for got
[06:00] <Tsed> I had no idea... but then I never had that happen.
[06:00] <archangel_> Tsed: 5700xt or 5900 ?
[06:01] <intelikey> Tsed yeah it's a new agravation that *buntu sprang on us.
[06:01] <Tsed> archangel_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:01] <pierreth> intelikey: no, i made a restart and i kept my file
[06:01] <intelikey> more automatic crap to mess up.
[06:02] <intelikey> pierreth i said 'may'   not  'will'   read up on it.
[06:02] <pierreth> Tsed: i made a download with Konqueror, where the file can be?
[06:02] <pierreth> intelikey: yes but the file is not written in my case
[06:03] <andrew__> Hey does anyone know why my package manager is not showing me noninstalled ones.
[06:03] <Tommy2k4> check the tickboxes at the top? (in adept)
[06:04] <intelikey> the sole purpose of  "displayconfig-hwprobe.py"  is to rewrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf {as needed}   and in the case of "<Tommy2k4> and now i turn monitor on and its in zoom mode or something" ^^^ scroll up for info.   it's a hose job.
[06:04] <Tsed> pierreth: Uhh... anywhere you told it to go? :)  (whenever I use it, I get a "save as" box asking for where I want to put it...)
[06:04] <Tommy2k4> huh
[06:04] <pepsi> lol is that why i have to fix xorg.conf all the time?
[06:05] <pepsi> that was pissing me off
[06:05] <pepsi> i thought i did something
[06:05] <intelikey> Tommy2k4 and welcome back    btw.
[06:05] <caos> hi all
[06:05] <Tommy2k4> ctrl alt backspace got it out of zoom
[06:05] <Tommy2k4> dunno why it went like that in the first place
[06:06] <pepsi> because it was set to a resolution thats higher than the monitor could display
[06:06] <pierreth> Tsed: i don't understand the concept of frequency
[06:06] <intelikey> cause it booted with the monitor off.  and "displayconfig-hwprobe.py"  an init script, adjusted for the change in hardware.
[06:06] <Tommy2k4> ah ok
[06:06] <pierreth> Tsed: my monitor is connected in dvi
[06:07] <Tsed> Err... should DVI make a difference? (anyone?  I'm not terribly familiar with that)
[06:08] <BKaj> dvi is just a connection type
[06:08] <pierreth> Tsed: ok i have it Fh: 30~82kHz, Fv: 50~85Hz
[06:08] <pierreth> Tsed: what should i do with that?
[06:08] <intelikey> i don't see how it would affect the monitor settings no.
[06:09] <Tsed> Kay.  I didn't really think so, but when dealing with other people's hardware... ;p
[06:09] <pierreth> Tsed: can i get the driver for my monitor instead?
[06:09] <BKaj> there should be a way to find the native resolution of the monitor ?
[06:10] <coachJ> friendlysoviet are you russia?
[06:10] <Tommy2k4> type the monitor model in google and find the manual
[06:10] <FriendlySoviet> No, I'm a male.
[06:10] <Tsed> pierreth: In your xorg.conf, look for the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines in the "Monitor" section.
[06:10] <intelikey> http://monitorworld.com  has a search engine for that.
[06:10] <coachJ> ?
[06:10] <coachJ> in russia
[06:11] <FriendlySoviet> Can some one help me with this wireless problem? The network settings displays the wireless card, but when I click enable, it only stays enabled for less than a second and than goes back to being disabled.
[06:11] <BKaj> what the designers then he should set his monitor for that res and frame rate for best results
[06:11] <Tsed> pierreth: You can then just enter those values you mentioned above (units not needed), then restart X.
[06:11] <FriendlySoviet> Coachj : That was a joke. And no, I'm not a Russian :P
[06:11] <coachJ> sorry its late
[06:11] <Tsed> pierreth: Then, with any luck, you'll be in your native res.
[06:11] <FriendlySoviet> HEh, no problem.
[06:12] <Tsed> pierreth: Without any luck, well... make note of the settings you had before you modified xorg.conf. :)
[06:12] <intelikey> yes but inflection is so hard to hear in text mode....
[06:12] <pierreth> Tsed: ok
[06:13] <BKaj> his nick implies that soviets aren't friendly, if he has to prefix it with "friendly" :)
[06:13] <coachJ> "the evil empire"
[06:13] <BKaj> uhoh
[06:13] <BKaj> a reaganite
[06:14] <intelikey> just like the logo for ubuntu implies that linux is not for humans  if you have to specify that this distro is...
[06:14] <coachJ> yes
[06:14] <BKaj> for lil birdbrains in tuxes :)
[06:14] <Tsed> Zoobuntu: Linux for Animals?
[06:14] <coachJ> its not for humans
[06:15] <intelikey> BKaj who's in texas ?
[06:15] <coachJ> Florida
[06:15] <BKaj> birdbrains... Ill bite :)
[06:15] <pierreth> Tsed: i will quit and try it
[06:15] <FriendlySoviet> Bkaj, I'm hurt. You don't think I'm friendly?
[06:15] <pierreth> Tsed: thank you!
[06:15] <Tsed> pierreth: No problem, hope it works. :)
[06:16] <BKaj> of course I do , it's the other soviets that your nick implies that aren't
[06:16] <intelikey> just an artical 'a' would change the whole implication on that.
[06:17] <intelikey> as would also 'the' but in the oppisite way.
[06:17] <BKaj> anyway its getting late ...past bedtime for old guys
[06:17] <h3sp4wn> BKaj: 5:21 is a bit late for me also
[06:17] <BKaj> 12:17 AM here
[06:18] <coachJ> new folks should check out http://www.LinuxReality.com
[06:18] <BKaj> night all , take care
[06:18] <intelikey> 10:18  do you know where your rug rats are ?
[06:18] <h3sp4wn> (ie 5:21am)
[06:18] <coachJ> in bed?
[06:19] <intelikey> not rug rats?   yard apes then.
[06:20] <coachJ> this X-rug rat is going to bed, good night all
[06:20] <pierreth> Tsed: i made it!
[06:20] <archangel_> I'm using Kubuntu and cant get my video card to run in 3d exceleration mode
[06:22] <nirmal> BKaj: Hi how r u today
[06:22] <h3sp4wn> <archangel_: Which model of card ?
[06:22] <Tsed> pierreth: Awesome.
[06:23] <Tsed> archangel_: Did you follow the instructions on the wiki page I linked you to?
[06:23] <intelikey> !ati
[06:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:23] <archangel_> fx5900xt Invidia
[06:24] <archangel_> Tsed: yes, but the package handler was different than what I am using, so the menus didnt mach
[06:24] <archangel_> match
[06:24] <archangel_> I guess they were using gnome
[06:24] <archangel_> cause that program wasnt in my menu
[06:25] <intelikey> synaptic will run in kde too
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> !nvidia
[06:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:25] <archangel_> k, thanks
[06:26] <archangel_> thats the same page
[06:27] <Tsed> archangel_: You can use whatever package manager you want, so long as you install those packages.  Adept will do fine, if you don't want to install synaptic.
[06:28] <archangel_> Hey I dont care, I thought I couldnt install it cause I'm running 'Kubuntu' and not 'Ubuntu'
[06:29] <archangel_> I have about 2 weeks experience with linux, so I'm a litle green
[06:29] <intelikey> not compared to a lot that come through here.   you are an expert already.
[06:29] <Tsed> archangel_: For most purposes, Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same distro.  They just have a different default package set.
[06:29] <archangel_> ahh, ok
[06:30] <archangel_> well, I have learned that gnome sucks
[06:30] <goop2> hmmm...
[06:30] <Tsed> archangel_: Any time you see 'synaptic' in ubuntu docs, you can pretty much feel free to substitute your preferred method of searching for/installing packages (adept by default in adept).
[06:31] <Tsed> *adept by default in kde :p
[06:31] <Tsed> Er, in Kubuntu.  Bah, you get the point!
[06:31] <goop2> but...
[06:31] <goop2> Kubuntu uses KDE O_o
[06:32] <archangel_> I might install the program, being that I'm not sure what I'm doing so I can follow the menus they give
[06:32] <intelikey> apt-cache search blah   &   sudo apt-get install blah's-full-name
[06:32] <Tsed> intelikey: Out of curiosity, is there any reason to use apt-get over aptitude?
[06:32] <OOD> Tsed: aptitude remembers all dependencies
[06:32] <intelikey> shorter code
[06:32] <Tsed> I'm under the impression that aptitude generally tracks reverse deps better, so I stick to that...
[06:33] <OOD> so if you decide to instal gnome, you can easily remove it later
[06:33] <intelikey> less key strokes
[06:33] <OOD> if you install say gnome-desktop with apt-get, you'll have to remove every single package seperately if you want to remove it
[06:33] <Tsed> Hmm.  Works out about the same with tab-completion. :)
[06:33] <intelikey> actually i type 'urpmq blah'  for searches  and  'urpmi blah ' for installs.
[06:34] <OOD> if you use aptitude, it'll remove everything
[06:34] <Tsed> OOD: Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought, but I see 'apt-get' in a lot of howtos/docs, so I was just wondering if there was a reason for a general preference for apt-get.
[06:34] <pierreth> Tsed: could you help me selecting my printer?
[06:35] <intelikey> removing things is my specialty    dpkg works wonders on that.
[06:35] <OOD> Tsed: im actually not sure about that, but aptitude will remember all dependencies installed with the selected program
[06:36] <Tsed> pierreth: USB printer, or?
[06:36] <intelikey> man deborphan
[06:38] <pierreth> Tsed: i have a usb, the problem is that i have too much choose for my printer model
[06:39] <Tsed> pierreth: Driver-wise, you mean?
[06:39] <goop2> anyone know how to install GRUB from a Drake Live CD?
[06:39] <pierreth> Tsed: i don't know, I am in French
[06:39] <OOD> goop2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:40] <goop2> haha - howd you know? :P
[06:40] <moi> ptss
[06:40] <pierreth> Tsed: i have an HP Deskjey 1220C and there is a lot of driver for this printer
[06:40] <Tsed> pierreth: Well, could you explain a bit where you're having trouble?
[06:40] <moi> to nun canal inter
[06:40] <OOD> goop2: go with the second option
[06:40] <intelikey> goop2 mount the installations root partition someplace like /mnt     and do  chroot /mnt grub-install /dev/hda       assuming you want it installed in the mbr and that you have hda
[06:41] <OOD> goop2: how'd i know? i had the same problem and had to fix it myself :P
[06:41] <goop2> hehe
[06:41] <pierreth> Tsed: i have a list of driver that i can choose from, should i care to select the best one?
[06:41] <Tsed> pierreth: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_1220C < According to that page you should look for a hpijs driver.
[06:42] <archangel_> how do I find out what version kernel I have?
[06:42] <robotgeek> archangel_: uname -a
[06:42] <intelikey> uname -r
[06:42] <pierreth> Tsed: this is what i was going to do
[06:43] <intelikey> ls /lib/modules/
[06:43] <OOD> groop2: btw this is only if grub was installed at a certain point and it was removed from the mbr, like by a windows installation for example
[06:43] <archangel_> which one?
[06:43] <archangel_> -a or -r?
[06:43] <intelikey> uname -r
[06:43] <archangel_> ok
[06:43] <robotgeek>  the -r gives you version, -a gives you all details :)
[06:44] <archangel_> ahh
[06:44] <Tsed> pierreth: That should get you going, methinks.
[06:44] <ironfroggy> any idea why i would get "request for subsystem 'sftp' failed on channel 0" when i try to use sftp on a known to be good server, which i can ssh to without trouble?
[06:45] <Tsed> ironfroggy: I assume you mean from konqueror when trying to use the sftp:// kioslave?
[06:45] <Tsed> (because if so... I'm interested too :p  I've gotten something similar a couple times...)
[06:45] <goop2> ood: I had it installed, installed windows, TRIED reinstalling it, but when I went to fix BIOS it kept saying "file not found"
[06:46] <ironfroggy> Tsed: no, im on the command line.
[06:46] <ironfroggy> im actually trying to use darcs, but it uses sftp which isnt working by itself either.
[06:48] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Again, somewhat out of curiosity, are you able to sftp to other servers?  (I'm *not* implying that you're trying to connect to a non-good server, just trying to see if our issues may be related)
[06:48] <pierreth> Tsed: i am unable to install it
[06:48] <ironfroggy> Tsed: let me try...
[06:49] <Tsed> pierreth: You're in administrator mode?
[06:49] <pierreth> Tsed: no, how can i be?
[06:50] <Tsed> pierreth: On the Printers main window, there should be an "administrator mode" button at the bottom.  I'm assuming you need to be admin to add the new printer.
[06:50] <ironfroggy> Tsed: yes i can get to other servers ok
[06:50] <intelikey> run things as root via the sudo command
[06:50] <pierreth> Tsed: where is the printer window?
[06:51] <mark_> any way to get a full server list?
[06:51] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Huh.  That sounds very similar to the issue I was having.  Nearly word for word the same error, same issues...  just with Konq instead of sftp directly.
[06:51] <Tsed> pierreth: System Settings -> Printers
[06:51] <ironfroggy> could you use sftp directly?
[06:52] <Tsed> ironfroggy: I didn't try, unfortunately.  I think I eventually just used the "fish" kioslave.
[06:53] <Tsed> ironfroggy: However, the sftp issue isn't constant -- it tends to work itself out, refusing to work once in awhile...
[06:53] <pierreth> Tsed: ok, you hope i don't look like too stupid :-)
[06:54] <ironfroggy> Tsed: well its constant for me, even between boxes. although, and this is an interesting point, i have successfully used the same server from a non-kubuntu box.
[06:54] <Tsed> pierreth: Everyone can use some guidance when getting introduced to something new, it's no biggie. ;p
[06:55] <pierreth> Tsed: it is not working, i have the same error as before
[06:55] <Tsed> pierreth: What's the error, exactly?
[06:55] <pierreth> Tsed: it says that i don't have the right do that or the pilote does not exist
[06:56] <intelikey> is kde set to automaticly logout users after # minutes ?
[06:56] <intelikey> i mean by default.   i know it can be set.
[06:56] <ironfroggy> logout or lock?
[06:56] <Tsed> intelikey: Nope.
[06:57] <intelikey> ironfroggy logout.   but  i think i see what is happening.
[06:58] <intelikey> user is unable to login.   prolly no .sessionrc
[06:59] <ironfroggy> or you are out of harddrive space.
[07:00] <intelikey> hehhe /dev/null may be out of space  :)
[07:01] <Tsed> pierreth: Just to clarify, you're going into Admin Mode -> "Add" -> "Add Printer/Class" -> "Local Printer", then the driver database gets built, then you select your printer/driver?
[07:01] <h3sp4wn>  /dev/null cannot run out of space
[07:02] <timi> how do i install firefox
[07:02] <intelikey> h3sp4wn mmm or it's always out of space,,, depends on the perspective i huess
[07:02] <intelikey> guess
[07:02] <timi> i downloaded the tarball and extracted, im really new to this
[07:02] <timi> wht do i do after i create a directory
[07:02] <pierreth> Tsed: yes, it is exatly what i did
[07:03] <timi> anybody here
[07:03] <intelikey> timi you delete all that crap  and use the package manager
[07:03] <intelikey> !info mozilla-firefox
[07:03] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-0ubuntu6.06 (dapper), package size 48 kB, installed size 104 kB
[07:04] <timi> ok thanks
[07:04] <robin> or you could use automatix to install firefox
[07:04] <pierreth> Tsed: the driver is missing, it works when i try to select another one
[07:06] <Tsed> pierreth: Odd.  You can use the package manager to make sure hpijs is installed, but I don't see why it wouldn't be...
[07:06] <timi> the package mangager says its already installed but i dont see it
[07:07] <Tsed> pierreth: Or really, if another driver works, just go for it :p
[07:08] <pierreth> Tsed: the package manager finds nothing for hpijs
[07:09] <mark_> hi
[07:09] <Tsed> (before I suggest this again, is there a better way to refresh the menus other than kbuildsycoca?)
[07:09] <mark_> so..whats up
[07:09] <timi> ook im retarded so i open adept
[07:09] <timi> then i type in firefox and it says already installed
[07:09] <timi> but its not anywhere for me to open
[07:10] <OOD> timi: restart kicker
[07:10] <timi> whats kicker
[07:10] <OOD> the taskbar
[07:10] <OOD> go into konsole, type: killall kicker
[07:11] <OOD> then type kicker
[07:11] <timi> ah ok
[07:11] <OOD> and then it should be in the internet category
[07:11] <timi> nobe
[07:12] <timi> in adept it just says mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb installed
[07:12] <timi> i have dled anything just from the cd
[07:12] <OOD> that's not firefox ;)
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Open kmenuedit and click save
[07:12] <Tsed> OOD: for the record, you can do that in a bit more gentle way.  'dcop kicker kicker restart'
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Then it should appear in the menus under Internet
[07:12] <timi> alright OO
[07:12] <intelikey> that's only locales. you need the browser
[07:13] <timi> ok so how do i do that
[07:13] <intelikey> timi is there a reason you dont want to use konqueror ?
[07:13] <timi> yes. its not as good
[07:13] <OOD> timi: the firefox package is just called firefox
[07:13] <timi> ok
[07:13] <timi> so how do i get the actually firefox
[07:13] <Hawkwind> Or mozilla-firefox.  Either will work
[07:13] <OOD> Tsed: gentle? :P alright ill keep that in mind
[07:13] <pierreth> Tsed: it has printed!
[07:14] <Hawkwind> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:14] <Hawkwind> Type that in a terminal :P
[07:14] <timi> ok
[07:14] <intelikey> sudo it.
[07:15] <timi> ok i tried that but it said could not get lock //var/lib/dpkg/lock
[07:15] <Hawkwind> sudo
[07:15] <Hawkwind> sudo apt-get install mozille-firefox
[07:15] <Hawkwind> Just like that
[07:15] <OOD> timi: you have to close adept
[07:15] <Hawkwind> OOD: Good catch.  Forgot he had that open :P
[07:15] <OOD> :P
[07:16] <timi> hmm i guess apt-get jst doesnt work
[07:16] <Hawkwind> Yes it does
[07:16] <intelikey> yes it does.  close adept and prepend sudo.
[07:16] <timi> if adpet is open willthat conflict
[07:16] <OOD> yes, close it
[07:16] <intelikey> yep
[07:16] <Tsed> pierreth: Great.  I'm still looking around as to why those drivers aren't popping up, but if it works... :)
[07:17] <pierreth> Tsed: ok, but i only printed something very simple
[07:17] <intelikey> well i have something out of joint here.  i can't login graphically anymore.   i get a black screen with a cursor and back to kdm...
[07:17] <timi> ahh so i closed adept and tried no i get "package mozilla-frefox is not available, but is refred to by another pacakge
[07:18] <thoreauputic_> sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:18] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install firefox       if it errors your /etc/apt/sources.list needs fixed.
[07:19] <intelikey> yeah that ^
[07:19] <Leira> my kdm can start when booting, but i cannnot start it by hand (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart), /var/log/kdm.log has 2 lines: "Fatal server error:
[07:19] <Leira> could not open default font 'fixed'"
[07:19] <timi> same message bout firefox not availabe but refreed to by another package
[07:20] <Leira> but startx just works find
[07:20] <timi> it says its replaced by libnss3
[07:20] <thoreauputic_> timi: your source.list is broken then
[07:20] <timi> then it says E: package firefox has no installation candidate
[07:20] <timi> ok
[07:20] <thoreauputic_> *sources.list
[07:20] <thoreauputic_> !sources
[07:20] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:20] <timi> alright any idea how i can fix that
[07:20] <Leira> i have     'FontPath     "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"' in my xorg.conf
[07:21] <thoreauputic_> timi: see ubotu above
[07:21] <timi> alright
[07:21] <thoreauputic_> !repos
[07:21] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:21] <thoreauputic_> heh - it's the same now apparently
[07:21] <thoreauputic_> ;-)
[07:21] <Tsed> !info hpijs
[07:22] <ubotu> hpijs: HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs). In repository main, is optional. Version 2.1.7+0.9.7-4ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 273 kB, installed size 852 kB
[07:22] <intelikey> thoreauputic_ yeah someone castrated the bot.
[07:22] <thoreauputic_> intelikey: yeah, I know who :)
[07:22] <Tsed> pierreth: Huh... you say that package doesn't show up?
[07:23] <Tsed> pierreth: I mean, it pops up in my searches (try just 'sudo aptitude install hpijs'?)
[07:24] <intelikey> is it possable to stop linux from reading an scsi drive every 3 seconds ?
[07:25] <ironfroggy> for example, why doesnt it list eclipse?
[07:25] <ironfroggy> what are the criteria by which adept_install filters packages that adept would list?
[07:27] <intelikey> ironfroggy if it's in the repos, adapt should list it.    /etc/apt/sources.list  is the "criteria"by which adept filters packages
[07:27] <ironfroggy> i know that. thats why i was asking what criteria adept_installer uses, which is obviously different.
[07:28] <ironfroggy> i mean, i never even use it because it doesnt have anything i actually want to install.
[07:28] <pepsi> adept just kinda sucks i think :P i tried to use it, but there doesnt appear to be a way to organize the packages other than by listing them all, and be assured that all the packages are listed
[07:29] <timi> alright i updated the repositories or w/e
[07:29] <intelikey>  man adept_installer
[07:29] <intelikey> No manual entry for adept_installer
[07:29] <intelikey> See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
[07:29] <intelikey> idk....
[07:29] <timi> so now do i use adept to install firefox or apt-get it again
[07:30] <Tsed> Yeah... I adept_installer seems more confusing than helpful at this point. :/
[07:30] <ironfroggy> pepsi: what do you mean? how could you list them any other way than listing them all, and still be sure "that all the packages are listed"? that seems contradictory.
[07:30] <pepsi> ironfroggy: i mean categorically
[07:30] <intelikey> timi   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:30] <ironfroggy> pepsi: type something. there's your catagory.
[07:30] <intelikey> put that line in a terminal ^
[07:30] <pepsi> the filters or whatever dont seem to be include all the packages
[07:30] <pepsi> i dont want to search for something, iw ant t to pick a category and see whats all available
[07:31] <ironfroggy> pepsi: by what means do you deduce this? any examples? seems to work fine for me.
[07:31] <pepsi> if i dont know what the package is, searching wont help
[07:31] <intelikey> pepsi sure it will
[07:31] <pepsi> heh
[07:31] <ironfroggy> pepsi: less true than you might think. try typing "game" for example.
[07:31] <pepsi> show me what category linux-headers-*
[07:31] <pepsi> is in
[07:31] <intelikey> pepsi    try   apt-cache search rtf viewer
[07:32] <timi> hmm. i guess im stuck with konquere. it says the package isnt the following package "libness3" rpelaces it...
[07:32] <ironfroggy> catagories are overrated.
[07:32] <intelikey> searching for things you want doesn't just search the package names....
[07:32] <pepsi> it searches a description that might not have the word you're looking for in it
[07:32] <pepsi> awesome
[07:32] <ironfroggy> pepsi: in the same way, catagories are even more limiting. there are lots of words in a description to go by, but only one in a catagory name.
[07:33] <pepsi> i dunno, synaptic does exactly what i want
[07:33] <pepsi> so i use that, thats all
[07:33] <intelikey> pepsi then use synaptic and stop bitchin'
[07:33] <pepsi> absolutely not
[07:33] <intelikey> :)
[07:34] <intelikey> s/stop/continue/
[07:34] <timi> what does it mean when it says "package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[07:34] <ironfroggy> grr stupid eclipse wants me to install freaking gnome to use it.
[07:34] <intelikey> timi it means you still havent updated your sources.list of the package database
[07:35] <ironfroggy> timi: thats a fake package i believe. a transitional thing. just install package firefox.
[07:35] <intelikey> !info mozilla-firefox
[07:35] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-0ubuntu6.06 (dapper), package size 48 kB, installed size 104 kB
[07:35] <intelikey> it's in the main  repo  even
[07:35] <timi> ive updated everything
[07:36] <intelikey> !info firefox
[07:36] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-0ubuntu6.06 (dapper), package size 7725 kB, installed size 22888 kB
[07:36] <timi> added multiverse repositiories and al that
[07:36] <Tsed> I think adept has a lot of potential.  Adept_installers interface is nice... I'd kinda like to see that interface applied to adept as a whole.  Think it'd be much more sane to use that way.  *shrug*
[07:36] <timi> ok do i type that Infot thing in command
[07:36] <intelikey> that's in main also  ^
[07:36] <intelikey>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:37] <intelikey> timi  paste that in your terminal ^
[07:37] <timi> ok i did
[07:38] <intelikey> and ?
[07:38] <timi> it shows a bunch of repositries
[07:38] <timi> universere and multiverse
[07:38] <timi> then it syas fetch 1B in 0s
[07:38] <Tsed> !info eclipse-platform-common
[07:38] <ubotu> eclipse-platform-common: Eclipse platform without plug-ins to develop any language (common files). In repository universe, is optional. Version 3.1.2-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 35244 kB, installed size 40804 kB
[07:38] <intelikey> main   by any chance ?
[07:38] <Tsed> Maybe that'll do it, ironfroggy?
[07:38] <timi> main?
[07:38] <timi> it donst say taht anywehre
[07:39] <timi> it jsut says package firefox isnt avaible but is rferred to by anothe rpackage
 universere and multiverse <---  those are good  but what about  " MAIN "  ?
[07:39] <timi> no
[07:39] <timi> it doesnt say man
[07:39] <intelikey> you have the 'main' repo commented out in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:40] <intelikey> try again.
[07:40] <intelikey> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:40] <timi> k
[07:41] <timi> alright intelikey abunch of stuf comes up
[07:41] <intelikey> and delete the # in front of the line that says  "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted "
[07:41] <ironfroggy> Tsed: that is the actual tools not just libraries, right?
[07:42] <timi> ok just delted the #
[07:42] <timi> now wht
[07:42] <intelikey> save and exit
[07:42] <timi> i dont c save and exit just exit
[07:42] <timi> is that wht i do
[07:42] <intelikey> ctrl+o
[07:43] <Tsed> ironfroggy: I don't have the slightest clue.  I figured if you were on broadband, it would be useful to give a shot at, as it doesn't pull in gnome deps.  Sounds promising, at least.
[07:43] <timi> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[07:43] <timi> ok so ctrl o then ijust close it
[07:43] <intelikey> yep
[07:43] <timi> alright done
[07:43] <timi> so now wht
[07:43] <intelikey>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:43] <intelikey> that again ^
[07:44] <intelikey> this time you get firefox.
[07:44] <timi> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Sources
[07:44] <timi> Fetched 1B in 0s (3B/s)
[07:44] <timi> Reading package lists... Done
[07:44] <timi> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:44] <timi> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[07:45] <intelikey> close adept
[07:45] <timi> its not open
[07:45] <intelikey> then close the other terminal window
[07:46] <timi> i only one open but ill try again
[07:46] <intelikey> automatic updater is the only other thing....
[07:47] <intelikey> click the little update icon in the taskbar
[07:47] <timi> i c
[07:47] <timi> i checked with that nano thing
[07:47] <timi> and the #
[07:47] <timi> is still there
[07:51] <timi> i cc you offred a file
[07:51] <timi> how do i accept
[07:52] <timi> it doesnt show it anywher
[07:52] <intelikey>  /dcc get blah
[07:52] <intelikey> blah means you should be able to guess from there.
[07:53] <timi> sources.list i prsume
[07:53] <intelikey> yep
[07:53] <intelikey> nick and file name  iirc
[07:53] <timi> and i type this whre
[07:53] <timi> in konsole?
[07:53] <intelikey> no right here
[07:54] <timi> it saysing unrecognized commaned /dcc
[07:55] <intelikey> what chat client doesnt' recognize dcc ?????
[07:55] <timi> sudo /dcc get sources.list
[07:55] <timi> damn it, i suck at this stuff
[07:56] <flaccid__> is there any doco/pages on apache2 on ubuntu? i notice it includes differently to normal
[07:56] <intelikey>  /dcc get intelikey sources.list
[07:56] <timi> damnt why is it saying /dcc is an unrecongized command
[07:57] <intelikey> i don't know.   you never even told me what client it was.
[07:57] <Tsed> sudo /dcc get sources.list < Are you typing that in konsole, or your irc client?
[07:57] <timi> irc
[07:57] <timi> im using Konversaton
[07:57] <timi> sudo /dcc get sources.list
[07:58] <intelikey> no sudo.
[07:58] <Tsed> sudo shouldn't be involved
[07:58] <timi> ok
[07:58] <timi> so right here in consol i type wht u guys typed minus the sudo
[07:58] <timi> err Konversation
[07:58] <intelikey>  /dcc get intelikey sources.list
[07:59] <intelikey> i can't make it any easier for you than that.
[07:59] <intelikey> !repos
[07:59] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:59] <intelikey> that's the next best bet ^
[07:59] <timi> alright, thanks but i give up, i dunno whts wrong w/ wht i have but nothing seems to work.
[08:00] <timi> get intelikey sources.list
[08:00] <timi> send
[08:00] <timi> get
[08:00] <intelikey> yeah try it with out the dcc   just  /get
[08:01] <intelikey>  /get intelikey sources.list
[08:02] <timi> i dont get why when i type exactly wht you type it says error get; unknown command, but when u type it shows up
[08:02] <intelikey> or /d    and hit the tab key to see what pops up
[08:03] <timi> hey somethingpop upp
[08:03] <timi> a new tab says ddc status
[08:04] <timi> the sources .list is there too
[08:04] <intelikey> so click it.
[08:04] <timi> i tried to
[08:04] <timi> clicked accepte
[08:05] <timi> connection failure: connection actively refused
[08:06] <intelikey> there you go
[08:06] <timi> thanks
[08:06] <intelikey> YEAYYY !!!   you did it.
[08:06] <timi> im almost there...
[08:06] <timi> status is still 0 but its recievening
[08:07] <intelikey> well maybe not.   file size is 679 bites
[08:07] <timi> it says 0 byts a second
[08:08] <timi> wht does urs say
[08:08] <intelikey> #3   SEND   timi        -=*=-.  100.0%     00:000.004573 sources.list
[08:09] <timi> alright well maybe i recieved it
[08:09] <intelikey> says you got it.
[08:09] <intelikey> says it went somewhere  lol
[08:09] <timi> it showed 0 kb total but now  i got it may be i just apt get again
[08:10] <intelikey> yes 679 is less than 1k
[08:10] <timi> sorry 0b
[08:10] <timi> but just apt get
[08:10] <flaccid> i followed the server guide to create a virtual host, but get [Sat Jul 22 05:28:48 2006]  [warn]  NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts on reload of apache
[08:11] <intelikey> no cat that file and see what it is...  0 bites is not right.
[08:11] <timi> how do i cat it
[08:11] <intelikey> type cat sources.list
[08:11] <intelikey> where ever it put it.
[08:11] <timi> it says no such file
[08:12] <intelikey> where ever it put it.
[08:12] <flaccid> they forgot to say take out # NameVirtualHost * when copying the default vhost config in the doco
[08:12] <intelikey> try one more time.
[08:13] <timi> its still recievin
[08:13] <timi> i bet it says 100 perecnt on yours right
[08:13] <intelikey> yep
[08:13] <timi> 0 percent here
[08:13] <intelikey> well we played with that....
[08:14] <timi> i didnt donwload any firewalls or anything so is there a functon that could be blocking it
[08:14] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[08:14] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[08:14] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[08:14] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main universe
[08:15] <intelikey> there it is.  put that in your sources.list
[08:16] <timi> ok i put them in the store list by doing...
[08:16] <intelikey> open an editor  blank page  and paste that in.  save it as sources.list
[08:17] <timi> for all 4 of the links
[08:17] <intelikey> edit as needed to make it clean and only four lines each beginning with  deb
[08:17] <intelikey> yes all four
[08:17] <timi> now wht do i past in
[08:18] <timi> it shows an index parent directory and such
[08:18] <noiesmo> how can i restart my mouse it seems to have disappeared after the screensavers been running
[08:18] <timi> do i just past in the url
[08:18] <noiesmo> its ps/2 not usb
[08:19] <intelikey> "save as"  > sources.list    in "kate"   open kate and paste there.
[08:20] <intelikey> nano   or just any editor
[08:20] <intelikey> i'd say vim  but i don't even want to start that discussion.
[08:20] <timi> lol
[08:21] <timi> i opent he index that you showed me
[08:21] <admiral_proFTW> intelikey, nah man, Emacs
[08:21] <timi> then i just save as sources.list
[08:21] <intelikey> yep
[08:21] <timi> i go to the second one and try the same thing, and it says overwrite
[08:21] <timi> which is expected
[08:21] <intelikey> prolly cant cause you didn't run it as root via sudo....
[08:22] <intelikey> so save it in your home as sources.list
[08:22] <timi> so i sudo konqueror or smethng
[08:22] <timi> cuz the links open in konqueror
[08:22] <intelikey> don't open the links.....
[08:22] <intelikey> just copy and paste them in the editor
[08:22] <timi> oook
[08:23] <intelikey> editor
[08:23] <intelikey> editor
[08:23] <intelikey> editor
[08:23] <intelikey> editor
[08:23] <intelikey> editor
[08:23] <intelikey> editor
[08:23] <thoreauputic_> ;-)
[08:23] <intelikey> ty
[08:23] <intelikey> :)
[08:23] <thoreauputic_> heh
[08:24] <intelikey> anything is welcome now
[08:24] <intelikey> use the big fish on me...
[08:24] <intelikey> just anything
[08:24] <timi> ok
[08:24] <timi> now the links are all 4 the same
[08:24] <intelikey> not exactly.
[08:24] <intelikey> look closely.
[08:25] <timi> do i copy everything even before and after the link
[08:26] <intelikey> timi yes  everything but my nickname
[08:27] <intelikey> now tatoo that on the inside of your eyelids so you don't loose it.
[08:27] <timi> haha ok i just did that
[08:27] <timi> saved as sources.list
[08:27] <timi> and it sitting on my desktop
[08:27] <timi> err nvm its not on my desktop
[08:28] <timi> but its saved
[08:28] <timi> so now im a good with teh apt-get update && apt-get install firefox
[08:28] <intelikey> sudo cp sources.list /etc/
[08:28] <intelikey> then you are.
[08:28] <intelikey> err
[08:28] <thoreauputic_> umm sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/
[08:29] <intelikey> sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/
[08:29] <thoreauputic_> :)
[08:29] <intelikey> thoreauputic_ yeah.
[08:29] <intelikey> timi   you see that ^
[08:29] <intelikey> ?
[08:29] <timi> yes
[08:29] <thoreauputic_> from the dir you saved it to
[08:30] <timi> i just styped save as sources.list
[08:30] <thoreauputic_> no
[08:30] <timi> so im guess it just went to the home directory
[08:30] <thoreauputic_> OK
[08:30] <thoreauputic_> from your home dir issue the command we gave you
[08:30] <intelikey> timi lets confirm       in the terminal   do    ls
[08:30] <timi> yeah its in home
[08:30] <intelikey> ls
[08:30] <timi> wht
[08:30] <intelikey> ls
[08:31] <timi> Is
[08:31] <intelikey> that's lower case  LS
[08:31] <intelikey> in the terminal
[08:31] <timi> yeah
[08:31] <timi> yep
[08:31] <thoreauputic_> intelikey:  ls sources.list would be better ( otherwise he spams his terminal)
[08:32] <intelikey> thoreauputic_ shouldn't be much in $HOME that standard ls will see
[08:32] <thoreauputic_> intelikey: heh - you haven't seen my $HOME ;-)
[08:32] <intelikey> timi you see the file 'sources.list' ?
[08:32] <timi> yes
[08:32] <intelikey> ok do this    diff sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:33] <intelikey>  diff sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:33] <intelikey> does it show lots of output ?
[08:33] <timi> thyping
[08:33] <intelikey> thyping?
[08:34] <intelikey> oh typing
[08:34] <intelikey> heh
[08:34] <intelikey> i was like   'thy ping' ???
[08:34] <thoreauputic_> intelikey: that's typing with your leg ( inefficient but interesting)
[08:34] <timi> yeah
[08:34] <ironfroggy> so someone told me that installing kmplayer will give me a kpart to play videos embedded in konq. i dont see any such thing tho.
[08:34] <timi> allotta of stuf
[08:34] <intelikey> then you aint ready
[08:35] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: there's a kmplayer plugin
[08:35] <intelikey> back to step 2
[08:35] <intelikey> sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/
[08:35] <ironfroggy> wha?
[08:35] <intelikey> then the diff command again.
[08:35] <timi> nothing happens
[08:35] <intelikey> good
[08:35] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: kmplayer-konq-plugins - KMPlayer plugin for KHTML/Konqueror
[08:36] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: install that
[08:36] <intelikey> timi diff sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:36] <ironfroggy> thought it wasnt actually a plugin.
[08:36] <intelikey> lots of stuff    or nothing ?
[08:36] <timi> nothing
[08:36] <intelikey> good now you are ready
[08:36] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: trust me - it works fine with mplayer/ kmplayer
[08:36] <timi> alright
[08:36] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: I have it here
[08:36] <ironfroggy> already have it installed.
[08:36] <timi> so now i do
[08:37] <Tsed> Failing that, the mplayer-mozilla plugin should work as well.
[08:37] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update
[08:37] <timi> sudo apt-get update
[08:37] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: then check in konq configuration plugins
[08:37] <ironfroggy> and the mplayer-mozilla plugin isnt working. konq wont recognize it.
[08:37] <timi> yeah its actually connecting this time
[08:37] <timi> and a whol ebunch of stuff is going on
[08:37] <ironfroggy> thoreauputic_: ive looked. but i see nothing out of the ordinary, and no mention of either.
[08:37] <intelikey> :)
[08:37] <timi> ok its done
[08:37] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: check in konq configuration - you might need to rescan for plugins
[08:37] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:38] <ironfroggy> thoreauputic_: i have. nothing.
[08:38] <intelikey> timi you are welcome.
[08:38] <timi> haha it working
[08:38] <timi> thanks alot
[08:38] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: also some sites require that konq masquerade as firefox or IE
[08:38] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: don't ask why
[08:38] <timi> and after an hour and a half
[08:39] <timi> thanks for sticking it throught with me
[08:39] <timi> i wonder if i will actuallly ever be able to undestand wht i am doing
[08:39] <intelikey> timi  i hope the lessons learned last a lot longer than the time spent.
[08:39] <timi> haha hopefull
[08:39] <intelikey> yes. you will.
[08:39] <ironfroggy> thoreauputic_: well that isnt the problem because its trying to play the video, so its getting embedded, but konq doesnt have anything to play it with.
[08:40] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Hrmph.  Konq doesn't list either video plugins here, either... yet they're definitely working. =/
[08:40] <thoreauputic_> ironfroggy: do you have mplayer installed ?
[08:40] <timi> ok so everything is totally done
[08:40] <timi> do i ahve to restart the menu bar or w/e now
[08:41] <intelikey> timi people that are used to M$ windows  are at a dis-advantage here.  they think they know howto... but in fact they have to first be deprogramed, before they can start learning.  it's like loosing your sight in a sense.
[08:41] <timi> ahah i c
[08:41] <intelikey> timi   in the terminal type  firefox
[08:41] <thoreauputic_> intelikey: very true - the worst Linux beginners are people who think they are windows "power users" ;)
[08:42] <timi> there she is
[08:42] <timi> thanks a ton
[08:42] <intelikey> and on the next reset of x it should be in the menus
[08:42] <ironfroggy> thoreauputic_: yes its installed and functioning
[08:42] <intelikey> timi you bet.
[08:43] <intelikey> and i expect to collect that ton some day.
[08:43] <intelikey> :)
[08:43] <timi> haha thanks
[08:43] <ironfroggy> is there some known reason while local file listsing at the shell are taking so long i mistake them for the ls command locking up entirely?
[08:44] <intelikey> ironfroggy slow ls ?
[08:44] <ironfroggy> intelikey: rediculusly slow
[08:45] <intelikey> only place i've seen that is over ssh and a 'rediculusly slow' connection
[08:45] <intelikey> or on 5.25 floppy disks
[08:45] <timi> how do i log this convo so i can remember wht i did
[08:45] <intelikey> you are not using 5.25's are you ?
[08:46] <ironfroggy> only seems to be a problem when i have my samba share mounted for a while.
[08:46] <intelikey> timi i'm not familear with konversation, sorry.
[08:46] <ironfroggy> also what is odd, is that the mount point for that share isnt showing up in file open dialogs.
[08:46] <intelikey> i generally don't even use X
[08:46] <intelikey> ironfroggy ;/
[08:47] <intelikey> idk   but it's all poinging to a network issue.
[08:47] <intelikey> samba as a key player in that.
[08:47] <ironfroggy> yeah but it seems odd that directly listings even outside of the share would be affected.
[08:48] <intelikey> squid logs ?
[08:48] <ironfroggy> whazat
[08:48] <intelikey> not using squid ?
[08:48] <timi> i figured it out, thanks again intelikey. cya
[08:49] <intelikey> squid - Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache)
[08:49] <ironfroggy> what affect will that have on samba shares exactly?
[08:51] <intelikey> ironfroggy ya kinda out of my viable relmn there...   wish i could answer that.   but i can't.
[08:52] <ironfroggy> if its a continual problem, ill just set something to remount the share periodically.
[08:52] <intelikey> cron job
[08:53] <ironfroggy> yeah
[08:55] <MyDellSys> there is an apps that query bios setup or arch ?
[08:55] <Healot> dmidecode
[08:55] <Healot> !info dmidecode
[08:55] <wolfmanz> is there a way to set the resolution of the login display to be the same as my desktop resolution?
[08:55] <ubotu> dmidecode: Dump Desktop Management Interface data. In repository main, is standard. Version 2.7-3 (dapper), package size 50 kB, installed size 156 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 knetbsd-i386)
[08:55] <ironfroggy> are there any licensing issues that would stop someone from packaging things like easyubuntu in an install CD and setting that kind of stuff up by default?
[08:56] <MyDellSys> hmm dunno I didnt build this livecd
[08:57] <intelikey> ironfroggy i think i saw a wiki or link on the main page about that  http://ubuntu.com
[08:57] <MyDellSys> Its been a while I dont have control of this laptop
[08:57] <intelikey> has the details, i din't bookmark it.
[08:58] <ironfroggy> just surprised that something like that hasnt gotten more attention. so many people are annoyed at, for example, not being able to play mp3's.
[08:59] <cpk2> anyway to remove almost all the packages i have except for just the basic kde ones?
[09:00] <intelikey> cpk2 hehhe  remove almost all    and  except kde   don't fit in the same world.
[09:01] <cpk2> intelikey: true but i still want to have a windows manager, i suppose i could just use fluxbox or somthing
[09:02] <intelikey> twm
[09:03] <cpk2> so any thoughts on removing almost all my packages?
[09:07] <word> err...does kubuntu or any linux os support ncq?
[09:07] <cpk2> ncq?
[09:07] <cpk2> !ncq
[09:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about ncq - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:07] <wolfmanz> is there a way to set the resolution of the login display to be the same as my desktop resolution?
[09:08] <cpk2> what is ncq?
[09:09] <intelikey> vga=791 maybe close     add to /boot/grub/menu.lst   or /etc/lilo.conf
[09:09] <intelikey> use man blah for more details.
[09:09] <intelikey> @ wolfmanz  ^
[09:10] <word> ncq err...something that makes hds go fast
[09:10] <cpk2> get reiserfs
[09:11] <word> whats the % speed diff from ext?
[09:11] <cpk2> i dunno go look at the reiserfs site
[09:13] <word> not planning on reinstalling any time soon .. so anyone know about NCQ support in kubuntu?
[09:14] <cpk2> there are some optimization things you can try, go look it up, why do you need your hard drive to be faster than it currently is?
[09:17] <intelikey> ah just found the kill button on kdm   hehhe  thought there ought to be one....     [console login]  option in the kdm menu   :)
[09:17] <cpk2> intelikey: you mean sudo invoke-rc.1 kdm stop?
[09:18] <word> cpk2: it's a feature on newer hard drives that makes it go faster..not sure what it is but the OS has to support it
[09:19] <intelikey> cpk2 no if i was going to do that i'd just issue  killall kdm
[09:20] <intelikey> cpk2 but basicly the same.  only users can kill kdm with the console login  feature
[09:20] <intelikey> handy on this system,  no sudo here.
[09:22] <intelikey> oh!  what do i need to install for twm to have the debian-menu or any menu list of the X-apps  ?
[09:25] <intelikey> is it deskmenu maybe ?
[09:27] <aegeanlinux> Hello Y'all
[09:29] <Healot> hello aegeanlinux
[09:29] <aegeanlinux> Hi Healot, how are you?
[09:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning everyone!
[09:30] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I find out, if I use lvm?
[09:31] <MilhousePunkRock> I am following this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491 and there isnt much of a description
[09:31] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock ps -A x | grep lvm    maybe...
[09:31] <MilhousePunkRock> I googled that it's "Logical Volume Management", but how likely do I use that without knowing about it?
[09:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Oh, hey intelikey!
[09:32] <MilhousePunkRock> It's loaded at boot, but I don't know if I need it
[09:32] <MilhousePunkRock> I don't think I have a partition setup that needs lvm
[09:33] <MilhousePunkRock> That's the output of ps -A ... : 5294 pts/2    R+     0:00 grep lvm
[09:35] <intelikey> hehhe recursive.  you found your self.  :)
[09:36] <intelikey> antirecursion measures.....   ps -A x | grep lvm | grep -v grep
[09:36] <intelikey> :)
[09:36] <intelikey> but no if it's not running i'd say you don't use it.
[09:37] <MilhousePunkRock> That didn't give no feedback at all
[09:37] <intelikey> daz rite
[09:37] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: in KDE, open up the Disk Management control panel
[09:37] <Healot> or with fdisk -l :)
[09:38] <intelikey> Healot just a thought but wouldn't tune2fs  also tell ?
[09:39] <Healot> well, anyway you like it
[09:39] <MilhousePunkRock> is that an I (India), an l (Lima]  or a | (pipe) ?
[09:39] <MilhousePunkRock> probably not a pipe
[09:39] <intelikey> well might be reiser  i guess,   or you may even be able to lmv M$  idk...
[09:39] <Healot> i just pop up the disk management, bam, i see the lvm partition
[09:39] <intelikey> L
[09:39] <MilhousePunkRock> rgr
[09:40] <intelikey> L as in LIST
[09:40] <intelikey> gota get this boy thinking *nix  ....
[09:41] <Healot> Pipe > |
[09:41] <MilhousePunkRock> I really feel like a noob... Maybe I should have gotten a distribution the _forces_ you to do everthing the hard way ( via shell)
[09:42] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, so lvm would be listed under system if I had it?
[09:42] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: it's cool to feel like a newbie when you are
[09:42] <MilhousePunkRock> At least I am honest enough to admit it to myself...
[09:42] <Healot> yeah from the fdisk or tune2fs or mdadm output
[09:42] <intelikey> L-ong     L-ist     F-orce    I-nteractive    O-ver_write
[09:43] <intelikey> think  *nix   :)
[09:43] <intelikey> R-ecursive
[09:43] <MilhousePunkRock> Three partitions: (Why is it 3 anyway, I dont have a seperate home partition) Linux + Extended + Linux Swap
[09:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Maybe I have to bite the bullet and buy a book about Linux...
[09:44] <intelikey> the extended holds the swap
[09:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Oh yeah, I just see that the latter two are on the same physical blocks...
[09:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Is that where lvm comes into play?
[09:45] <intelikey> no that's old school partitioning     primary  extended{swap...possably.others}
[09:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Let me put the partition table to a pastebin, so you can see it as well...
[09:46] <intelikey> in DOS is was primary  extended{logical-drive,logical-drive2...}
[09:46] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock it prolly look a lot like mine.
[09:47] <MilhousePunkRock> http://pastebin.ca/95716
[09:48] <intelikey> and journalizing fs     wooowhoo  up town now.
[09:48] <MilhousePunkRock> By the way,  did anyone use that guide to speed up boot I quoted above?
[09:49] <intelikey> and as for the pastebin  yep same critters.
[09:49] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:49] <intelikey> rince
[09:49] <MilhousePunkRock> So what about the lvm now?
[09:50] <intelikey> not likely on that.  no.
[09:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Was it you that told me about the runlevel things yesterday to get rid of wifi-radar yesterday, intelikey?
[09:51] <MilhousePunkRock> I found that guide which has a graphical frontend for editing the rc* things
[09:51] <intelikey> yep
[09:52] <intelikey> but don't ask me to repete what i said yestergo    i've slept sense then
[09:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Finally I can get rid of HP printing and imaging, cups and all that bluetooth crap
[09:53] <MilhousePunkRock> But there are a few other things in the runlevel not mentioned in the guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[09:53] <intelikey> heh "yestergo" any time before now.   coined by my daughter at age 14months.
[09:54] <intelikey> yeah they are always adding crap.
[09:55] <intelikey> she's on her own now...   doesn't see like it's been that long.
[09:56] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, done with step II it seems...
[09:56] <intelikey> seem
[09:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Next step, commenting out tty4 5 and 6
[09:57] <MilhousePunkRock> tty sounds like is has something to do with the shell?
[09:58] <intelikey> in /etc/inittab i suppose ?
[09:58] <MilhousePunkRock> indeed
[09:58] <intelikey> yes console login's
[09:59] <intelikey> you cutting back to only three consoles.... i activate 8  generally
[09:59] <intelikey> 1,2,3,4,21,22,23,24
[10:00] <MilhousePunkRock> I wouldn't need more than 3 as a normal end user, right?
[10:00] <intelikey> and kill X   :)
[10:01] <intelikey> would not need more than one as an X user
[10:01] <MilhousePunkRock> It seems "vi" is using an american keyboard map... If I press the key that is supposed to be the # it acts like pg-up
[10:01] <cpk2> MilhousePunkRock: I'm a normal end user and i use 8 consoles =p
[10:01] <MilhousePunkRock> but I use the consoles for sudo kate whatever, sometimes I have 2 or 3 open...
[10:02] <Healot> vi is created by American :)
[10:02] <MilhousePunkRock> But if you say console login, I am always only logged in once, in fact there is only one user set up here, ME!
[10:02] <intelikey> i'm not a normal anything  but i have 4 with getty running and 4 with automatic init controlled opening   i.e. waiting on me to use when it boots.
[10:02] <cpk2> vi oops not ocnsoles, desktops
[10:02] <cpk2> hehe
[10:03] <MilhousePunkRock> I have yet to make use of the Linux multiple desktops...
[10:03] <intelikey> and openvt -fc #
[10:03] <intelikey> in the GUI MilhousePunkRock ?
[10:04] <MilhousePunkRock> Huh? What? Who? Me?
[10:05] <ironfroggy> why do i sometimes get messages from apt-get like "depends on Foo, but it is not going to be installed" i mean, why does it decide not to install it?
 I have yet to make use of the Linux multiple desktops...<intelikey> in the GUI MilhousePunkRock ?
[10:05] <intelikey> ironfroggy can't find it.
[10:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Oh yeah.. I know there is that 1 | 2 _3 | 4 grid on the "taskar"
[10:06] <MilhousePunkRock> But I always do everything on 1 anyway...
[10:06] <intelikey> or conflicts with blah    should say why
[10:06] <word> what's upgrades to new mobos+cpus/hds like in kubuntu?
[10:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Back to the tty's
[10:06] <ironfroggy> intelikey: o
[10:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Is it "safe" to comment out 4 5 and 6?
[10:07] <intelikey> yep
[10:07] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock as i said, it's "safe" to comment out all but '1'
[10:08] <intelikey> and it can be any one. as long as it respawns in 1-5
[10:08] <Healot> since ubuntu/debian only uses 0,1,2,6
[10:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Never used vi before, do I have to do something so I can edit stuff, or is it a changed keymap that makes my # not work
[10:08] <Healot> wait don't comment out runlevel 6
[10:08] <intelikey> 4:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4    <-- example
[10:08] <Healot> 0,1,2,6 :)
[10:09] <MilhousePunkRock> If the latter, where is the # on a US keyboard?
[10:09] <intelikey> Healot tty's not runlevels
[10:09] <intelikey> and yes i know you can comment out runlevels also in that file
[10:10] <Healot> i mean the run levels
[10:10] <intelikey> or add them.    i've done both.
[10:10] <MilhousePunkRock> Runlevels I did with the graphical tool, I felt safer with it... It was "sysv-rc-conf"
[10:11] <intelikey> i've setup inittab to have only 2 runlevels 0,1  which was multiuser 0 and reboot 1     and as many as 13 runlevels...
[10:12] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock no you remove the entire runlevel or add new ones in the inittab file... it the upper section
[10:12] <intelikey> l1:1:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 1
[10:12] <intelikey> l2:2:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 2
[10:12] <intelikey> runlevel ^
[10:13] <MilhousePunkRock> I only want to quote out the tty's in the inittab, I am sticking to that guide very closely...
[10:13] <intelikey> 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[10:13] <intelikey> ^ tty's
[10:14] <MilhousePunkRock> vi wont let me edit anything... Is it only a viewer?
[10:14] <intelikey> nope   hit [insert] 
[10:16] <MilhousePunkRock> So the "slimmest" set-up would be to only leave one tty?
[10:16] <intelikey> yep
[10:17] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: you're not having RAM size less then 128MB right?
[10:17] <MilhousePunkRock> and I can still open several consoles at a time than?
[10:17] <intelikey> but like i said.   1:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 < that,  not this > 1:2:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[10:17] <MilhousePunkRock> I have 256 MB on this machine, sadly enough
[10:17] <intelikey> man openvt
[10:18] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock you are going to be in the GUI, right ?    gui is not affected by that at all.
[10:18] <intelikey> with 250m  i would never use swap
[10:19] <MilhousePunkRock> How do I quit vi _with_ saving?
[10:19] <intelikey> :)
[10:20] <thoreauputic> MilhousePunkRock: :!wq
[10:20] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock escape key first.
[10:21] <intelikey> else you just type that in the file.
[10:21] <thoreauputic> right
[10:21] <intelikey> thoreauputic i put him in ins mode
[10:21] <thoreauputic> ah
[10:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey, stop talking geek with me... ;-)
[10:22] <intelikey> [esc]  ;wq
[10:22] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed, man!
[10:22] <MilhousePunkRock> Why read man pages if nice ppl here on the IRC help me... :-P
[10:23] <intelikey> that's why the *buntu team put nano as the default cli editor      at least they did one thing right.
[10:23] <thoreauputic> heh - that was a reference to a famous joke :) Only masochists use "ed"
[10:23] <intelikey> i was waiting for the begging....
[10:24] <MilhousePunkRock> I still did not manage to quit vi with saving...
[10:24] <intelikey> prolly not running as root
[10:24] <thoreauputic> http://www.boinc.ch/~thoreauputic/edistheeditor.txt
[10:25] <MilhousePunkRock> sudo vi /etc/inittab
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> I already figures that I need to be su whenever I want to edit something with messes with the system
[10:26] <intelikey> yup
[10:26] <intelikey> so did you hit the escape key in vi ?
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> yes
[10:27] <intelikey> then the :
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> no
[10:27] <intelikey> ?
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> lol that was what the :wq was about... sorry... it's still early and I was playing till 2 am
[10:28] <intelikey> escape  then  :   puts you back in 'command' mode in vi   where you can execute commands
[10:28] <intelikey> like [esc]  : help [enter] 
[10:29] <intelikey> or  [esc]  :!wq
[10:29] <intelikey> exec force write quit
[10:29] <MilhousePunkRock> That's done...
[10:30] <MilhousePunkRock> I am going to reboot now and see if there is a difference...
[10:30] <intelikey> and that's about the extent of my vi knowledge ,   i use it when i absolutely have too.
[10:30] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock wait
[10:30] <intelikey> learn this command first.
[10:31] <MilhousePunkRock> sudo reboot now?
[10:32] <intelikey> at the grub prompt   you can hit [esc]   and then select the kernel line you would boot and hit  E   that lets you edit the startup command.      init=/bin/bash   is the emergency access incase you hosed the system.
[10:32] <intelikey> you should never need it.  but with playing around in init  you might.
[10:33] <MilhousePunkRock> The one made from paper that is, not the beautiful black IBM baby...
[10:34] <intelikey> it    [esc]   E  then add init=/bin/bash   then [enter]  and boot.    only use that if it kernel panics
[10:35] <intelikey> hot it ?
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> got that written down, thanks..
[10:35] <intelikey> got it that is.
[10:35] <intelikey> ok
[10:35] <intelikey> luck
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> thx
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> BRB
[10:36] <intelikey> it was more of an insurance policy than a cure i guess...
[10:42] <intelikey> jan youre back!
[10:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Indeed..
[10:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Booting did not really feel faster though
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> But it was to fast for the wireless the first time, so I upped the preup sleep to 2
[10:43] <intelikey> it's the loading of kde that eates the time.
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> Next step, renaming the rc* files I don't need anymore
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> the time before KDE is longer than the time in KDE though
[10:44] <intelikey> but it's loading xorg and kde long before you are seeing the splash screens
[10:44] <MilhousePunkRock> KDE probably wasn't the smartest choice for a 256 MB system...
[10:44] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock i have ran kde on 64m
[10:45] <intelikey> with no swap
[10:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Does anyone watch "Alias" by the way?
[10:45] <intelikey> alias edit='mc -e'
[10:45] <intelikey> :)
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> I only ended up with Kubuntu 'cause it was the only Distro where the WLAN worked on the LiveCD
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> I am talking about the TV series... I just figured they use Linux there to make the computer look really geeky...
[10:47] <Lynoure> Is there anything like glabels but for kde? kbarcode seems quite buggy
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: ahhhh....
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: new version of that seems to work better.
[10:48] <Hobbsee> *that's* what i was going to do.
[10:48] <intelikey> barcode - Creates barcodes in .ps format
[10:48] <intelikey> kbarcode - A KDE Barcode Creation And Printing Application
[10:48] <intelikey> libpostscriptbarcode - A barcode generator written entirely in PostScript
[10:48] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I'm using (or tryint to as changing font size does not seem to work) kbarcode 1.8.0
[10:49] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: that the one?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kbarcode/+bugs
[10:49] <Lynoure> intelikey: only one of those is glabels -like, and that's the one I said seems buggy (I do apt-cache search before asking...)
[10:50] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: no, different bug... maybe I should file it.
[10:50] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: can you wait about 40 mins?
[10:50] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: sure :)
[10:51] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: well, actually, grab the edgy source, build it for dapper, and see if it's buildable and installable.  if it is, i'll request a backport.
[10:51] <intelikey> Lynoure i've never used any of them.  only did a quick scan of the repos.
[10:51] <Hobbsee> !info debhelper dapper
[10:51] <ubotu> debhelper: helper programs for debian/rules. In repository main, is optional. Version 5.0.7ubuntu13 (dapper), package size 493 kB, installed size 1236 kB
[10:51] <intelikey> anyone can guess why i don't have any applications menus in twm or bb ?
[10:51] <Hobbsee> yeah lovely.  Lynoure, that should build just fine.
[10:52] <flaccid__> anybody know how to make files open in current session for kdevelop?
[10:52] <intelikey> in fact the menu consists of xterm restart and exit
[10:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Talking about deps reminds me that I have a slight problem with them too...
[10:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Not deps, repos...
[10:53] <MilhousePunkRock> I added on there so I could grab the newest version of KDE
[10:53] <intelikey> hmmmm  tty23 [root#~]  update-menus
[10:53] <intelikey> update-menus[6708] : Script /etc/menu-methods/menu-xdg returned error status 1.
[10:54] <intelikey> loads of errors just like that ^
[10:54] <MilhousePunkRock> But it seems I didnt add the certificate or something alike for that
[10:54] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I'm not in the state of mind for experimenting much right now, but maybe at some point during the weekend. Thanks for the hint.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: backports are screwed, atm, i think.    but that package should definetly build.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: i'll have a package in a while - but i'm going out first, so...
[10:54] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: Take your time :)
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: and being the one that did the merge - you shouldnt have a problem with the edgy version, if you use dpkg-source -x foo.dsc && debuild
[10:55] <intelikey> nobody ?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> wow, lots of updates for dapper.
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> http://pastebin.ca/95761
[10:57] <intelikey> yeah  lots
[10:58] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: it's configuring now.
[10:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Was that me not adding the key or is it a problem with the repo?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: likely not adding the key, or it not reading, or something
[10:59] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I add the key then?
[11:01] <intelikey> looks like the repo is not automaticly sending/updating the gpg key, to me.  but i'm not german
[11:01] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: sudo apt-key add key.gpg
[11:02] <intelikey> yes dl and manually add the key.
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: want me to email the debs to you?  what's your email?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: or send me an email from your email address, so i dont los eit :P
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: oh yay, it's done.
[11:04] <MilhousePunkRock> If I only knew where to find the key...
[11:04] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: send me your email and your architecture - to hobbsee@kubuntu.org
[11:04] <intelikey> gooday hobbsee
[11:06] <intelikey> eeek  kde is a blank screen with a cursor.   no menu no kicker.... no nothing.
[11:07] <MilhousePunkRock> Looks like you are the one who needs help now, intelikey, huh?
[11:08] <intelikey> i haven't killed the thing yet....  but i'm still clubing it.....
[11:08] <intelikey> :)
[11:08] <MilhousePunkRock> lol
[11:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Does anyone agree that ark sucks?
[11:09] <Healot> nay from me...
[11:10] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock it'll take time... but you'll see the thinking in tar/gzip/bzip2
[11:12] <MilhousePunkRock> 7zip can do those as well
[11:13] <MilhousePunkRock> One thing I really miss from Windows...
[11:13] <intelikey> what's that ?
[11:14] <Healot> it's not in the popularity-contest top list
[11:14] <MilhousePunkRock> Is that most times Linux does not add icons to the K-Menu when I install something...
[11:14] <MilhousePunkRock> I grew up with GUI point and click, that's hard to overcome...
[11:16] <MilhousePunkRock> Oh dear, I have the suspicion the 7zip I just installed is for the command line only...
[11:17] <intelikey> hehhe
[11:17] <intelikey> lol
[11:17] <intelikey> :)
[11:18] <MilhousePunkRock> 7-Zip works in Windows 98/ME/NT/2000/XP. There is port of command line version for Linux/Unix.
[11:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Damn...
[11:18] <Healot> you just read that?
[11:19] <MilhousePunkRock> next step: sudo apt-get uninstall 7zip
[11:19] <MilhousePunkRock> if that is the proper command
[11:20] <MilhousePunkRock> It's remove, isnt it
[11:24] <Healot> "remove"
[11:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Looks like I can use rar with ark as well... Just got unrar
[11:28] <FrEdAtTaCk> hello I have a install problem with kubuntu, the live cd doesn't find my hard drive
[11:28] <MilhousePunkRock> It needs to be mounted, FrEdAtTaCk
[11:29] <FrEdAtTaCk> it a new hard disk
[11:29] <FrEdAtTaCk> for a new installation
[11:29] <FrEdAtTaCk> I want only kubuntu on these computer
[11:29] <noiesmo> FrEdAtTaCk, is it formated or brand new
[11:30] <FrEdAtTaCk> so I have try brand new, I have try with formating on ext3 in partitions with partition magic , always not found
[11:30] <MilhousePunkRock> AFAIK it's not mounted by default on the LiveCD, but the Installation will recognise it
[11:30] <FrEdAtTaCk> when I start with the live cd , and start qtparted doesn't recognize the hard drive
[11:31] <FrEdAtTaCk> when I try to install kubuntu , on the partition screen it fails
[11:31] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have also try the alternate cd but the same problem
[11:32] <FrEdAtTaCk> I think the serial ata controller is doesn't recognize, but how can I load an other serial ata driver ?
[11:33] <FrEdAtTaCk> MilhousePunkRock,  thats my problem, the installation fails on partitioning screen
[11:34] <Lynoure> hmm
[11:34] <theresa> hey!
[11:34] <Skaman_> hi everybody
[11:34] <MilhousePunkRock> I'm a noob, FrEdAtTaCk, I'm afraid I can't help you...
[11:34] <FrEdAtTaCk> okay np
[11:34] <FrEdAtTaCk> anyone else ?
[11:35] <theresa> whats your problem fredattack?
[11:35] <FrEdAtTaCk> wel I can't install kubuntu because my hard drive is not recognize
[11:36] <FrEdAtTaCk> the installer freeze on the partitioning screen
[11:36] <theresa> ahhhh! common problem!
[11:36] <intelikey> ha MilhousePunkRock i have menus again....  :)
[11:36] <theresa> you need to try the text-based installation!
[11:36] <theresa> do you have these shipit cds?
[11:36] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have tried
[11:36] <FrEdAtTaCk> also the same
[11:37] <intelikey> don't force it...  just use a bigger hammer to presuide it to move.
[11:37] <FrEdAtTaCk> yes , I have tried with : chipit cd's off : 64 bit amd, 32 bit, and then the downloaded alternate version
[11:37] <theresa> download the latest iso from the kubuntu website!
[11:37] <FrEdAtTaCk> the alternate cd was the latest
[11:37] <FrEdAtTaCk> i think
[11:38] <theresa> you can use these shipit cds for frisbee if you want....or just chuck them into your bin!
[11:38] <theresa> you need indeed the alternate cd!!! get this version
[11:38] <FrEdAtTaCk> I am a hardware reseller, and I give my clients (k)ubuntu cd's
[11:38] <FrEdAtTaCk> but the alternate cd has the same problem
[11:39] <theresa> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-alternate-i386.iso
[11:39] <Skaman_> FrEdAtTaCk: what happens?
[11:39] <Skaman_> i had a problem with partitioning
[11:39] <Skaman_> maybe is the same
[11:40] <theresa> i had EXACTLY the same problem with the shipit cds, but then i downloaded the above version and it worked fine....and i installed it on 2 hdd's...so it worked twice for me :D
[11:40] <MistaED> fredattack: do you know what chipset the SATA controller is? or what chipset the board is, like via/nvidia/ati/sis/etc.?
[11:40] <FrEdAtTaCk> yes via vt8237a south bridge
[11:40] <MistaED> i'm guessing it would use the sata_via module
[11:41] <FrEdAtTaCk> Skaman_,  the alternate amd 64  cd also freez on partitioning, it doesn't recognize my hard drive
[11:42] <FrEdAtTaCk> theresa,  i have downloaded the amd64 version alternate cd , It would be the same
[11:42] <MistaED> hmm, i guess you could try a "modprobe sata_via" in another terminal with the alternative cd before getting to the partitioner (ctrl+alt+F2 to get to a busybox terminal)
[11:42] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello slow-motion
[11:42] <FrEdAtTaCk> ah OK MistaED  I go try it
[11:42] <slow-motion> hi MilhousePunkRock
[11:43] <MistaED> fredattack: i'll see if that module needs anything after it for that chipset
[11:43] <theresa> ok, i'm sorry, fredattack i haven't tried the amd64 version, as i'm not on a amd64 pc
[11:44] <FrEdAtTaCk> but that should be also the latest version
[11:45] <theresa> anyone here using kontact/kmail as there email client?
[11:48] <MistaED> fredattack: looked on a mandrake forum, apparently someone tried the noapic flag when you boot the cd and they had a flawless install after that, they had the exact same problem with the vt8237
[11:49] <evilmegaman> Hi I am trying to get Maple Story to work through wine, does anyone have any solutions to that?
[11:55] <omeow> How can I see a list of stuff I recently installed?
[11:56] <intelikey> recent.... idk.   but  dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | less   will give you the whole list.
[11:57] <intelikey> omeow it kinda depends on the frontend you used to install it, as to whether or not it's even possable to see the 'recently' installed packages.
[11:59] <omeow> I think I used adept.
[12:00] <omeow> But it's a test version, so not everything works there.
[12:06] <Lynoure> Why is there so much python stuff as dependancies for kubuntu-desktop? Are most of those actually required for some basic kde functions?
[12:07] <intelikey> Lynoure cause python is the language of the month and kubuntu is the distro of the month,  so it stands to reason....
[12:07] <intelikey> Lynoure better question might be 'why does python depend on perl' ?
[12:08] <abattoir> Lynoure: stuff like guidance the 'System Settings' thing depend on python
[12:08] <abattoir> Lynoure: and the (k)ubuntu teams have a soft corner for the language :)
[12:09] <Lynoure> abattoir: there is no separate package for that? Hmm, I hope I didn't break it. (But oh well, I'd know how to fix it)
[12:09] <abattoir> so, lots of (k)ubuntu specific things, like the Live CD installer for eg. are written in python
[12:09] <abattoir> Lynoure: even if you broke guidance, you could always use 'kcontrol'
[12:09] <intelikey> a quick   cd /usr/bin ;file * | grep python      would tell that story very well
[12:11] <Healot> and the bugs show that it does use Python :)
[12:11] <intelikey> hehhe
[12:12] <intelikey> lol
[12:12] <Lynoure> abattoir: Actually, I don't even know which one (if either) System Settings uses...
[12:13] <theresa> anyone here using kontact/kmail as there email client?
[12:13] <hari> yes
[12:14] <intelikey> i was looking at an init script eariler and the comment looked like a 3 year old typed it.  spelling and grammar were both worse than mine.....
[12:14] <hari> hmmm
[12:14] <abattoir> Lynoure: what do you mean? you mean which python packages?
[12:14] <arso> hmm
[12:14] <arso> amarok aint loading up
[12:15] <arso> i get the loading screen
[12:15] <arso> then nothing
[12:15] <arso> a few other apps to
[12:15] <arso> i restarted,but sitll
[12:15] <abattoir> arso: played around w/ the settings?
[12:15] <intelikey> what's causing this ?  "error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[12:15] <arso> abattoir:  no
[12:15] <arso> abattoir:  even a game, frozen bubble aint loading
[12:16] <Lynoure> abattoir: No, I'm not sure if Guidance is something I use... Never seen anything directly with that name. But oh well.
[12:16] <arso> abattoir:  could it be coz i installed a lot of new apps lately
[12:16] <arso> media players
[12:17] <abattoir> Lynoure: as i said its called 'System Settings'.... is right there in the Kmenu
[12:17] <yogi> i need help
[12:17] <abattoir> arso:  could be...
[12:17] <yogi> i cant use my amarok
[12:17] <arso> u too
[12:17] <arso> me too, i cant use amarok
[12:17] <intelikey> could be
[12:17] <abattoir> yogi: join the club :)
[12:17] <arso> should i reinstal?
[12:17] <LVADER> abattoir: can u guide me on how to use amarok?
[12:17] <Lynoure> abattoir: ok, on surface level those seem to work fine still, despite >100M of removed pythonage.
[12:18] <LVADER> i cant play mp3 from my thumbdrive
[12:18] <abattoir> Lynoure: as i said, even if that fails, you have KControl, the original kde things
[12:18] <abattoir> LVADER: you copied from the filebrowser?
[12:18] <abattoir> Lynoure: so, shouldnt be a problem :)
[12:19] <abattoir> arso: might help...
[12:19] <Lynoure> abattoir: hmm, sorry to ask stupid questions, but where are those, if Guidance stuff is under System Settings?
[12:19] <LVADER> yes
[12:19] <abattoir> arso: you can also try removing the amarok settings file, if you dont mind losing some settings
[12:20] <abattoir> Lynoure: you mean where in the system they are installed?
[12:20] <abattoir> Lynoure: afaik, guidance *is* 'System Settings'
[12:20] <arso> abattoir:  how do iremove them
[12:20] <Lynoure> abattoir: found them
[12:20] <abattoir> arso: ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[12:21] <Lynoure> abattoir: ok, I'm so cli-happy that I still get all confused about those graphical tools
[12:21] <abattoir> LVADER: what is in the path? media:/sda1 or something ?
[12:21] <abattoir> Lynoure: heh, that's good then :)
[12:21] <arso> wtf, when i click any mouse button it comes right click
[12:21] <LVADER> its /media/sdb1
[12:21] <arso> abattoir:  do i delete that file?
[12:22] <abattoir> arso: back it up first and then delete it
[12:22] <abattoir> amarok would recreate it at startup
[12:22] <arso> oh ok
[12:22] <arso> sure thing
[12:23] <hari> hmmm
[12:23] <arso> access denied when i paste
[12:23] <Netcad> i have edit with the command crontab -e. how do i save it and exit=?
[12:23] <LVADER> umm...i have copied it onto my desktop
[12:23] <arso> umm wats the command for any user? "chown cd amarok/  or something
[12:24] <arso> ok got it
[12:25] <arso> sudo chown -R <user>
[12:25] <arso> ok i backed it up and deleted it
[12:25] <arso> and amarok is now loading
[12:25] <hari> :)
[12:26] <abattoir> arso: cool :)
[12:26] <arso> ok still doesnt work :S :(
[12:26] <abattoir> LVADER: now it works ?
[12:26] <abattoir> arso: ugh.... any error?
[12:26] <arso> nope
[12:26] <arso> just keeps loading
[12:26] <arso> and then load screen goes, and amarok dont load up
[12:26] <tadas> hi guys
[12:26] <abattoir> arso: run it from the command line... look for errors
[12:26] <tadas> is there any way to count ls results?
[12:27] <arso> same thing
[12:27] <arso> i tried command line too
[12:27] <hari> i have almost the same problem with "totem"
[12:27] <abattoir> arso:  any errors that you noticed?
[12:27] <arso> it doesnt give any
[12:27] <arso> should i try from konsole?
[12:27] <abattoir> ugh... i thought you did that...
[12:27] <arso> ok i got errors
[12:27] <arso> !paste
[12:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:27] <arso> i';l give u al ink
[12:28] <hari> !
[12:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:28] <arso> lol
[12:28] <hari> hmmm
[12:28] <hari> :)
[12:28] <arso> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18587
[12:28] <arso> here
[12:29] <hari> i am a newbie just testing
[12:29] <arso> lol ok
[12:29] <hari> :)
[12:29] <arso> abattoir:  u there?
[12:29] <arso> hari:  :)
[12:29] <abattoir> arso: ok, ping me, will get my attention :)
[12:29] <arso> heh k
[12:29] <arso> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18587
[12:30] <abattoir> arso: that's just normal stuff
[12:30] <abattoir> arso: anything after that?
[12:31] <arso> nope
[12:31] <arso> error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: can                                                                                 not open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:31] <arso> this is normal too?
[12:31] <abattoir> arso: weird... hmmm havent seen that one...
[12:31] <abattoir> you have all those fancy visualizers installed?
[12:31] <arso> lol last line
[12:31] <arso> not really
[12:31] <arso> but that libGL.so.1 sounds familiar
[12:32] <hari> no ithink that line's not normal
[12:32] <arso> yesterday some ppl were helping me fix my ati drivers
[12:32] <arso> and replaces some files and stuff
[12:32] <hari> that doesnt come up when i run amarok
[12:32] <arso> ya mine's messedup, it aint running :P
[12:32] <hari> ok :)
[12:32] <arso> and i remeber they were replacing libGL,so.1 or something, could it be they messed it up ?
[12:32] <abattoir> arso: so nothing else? o/p i mean
[12:33] <arso> o/p? :P , newbit
[12:33] <arso> newbie*
[12:34] <abattoir> arso: latest version of amarok?
[12:35] <arso> umm, the one that came with kubuntu, i installed it about 25days ago
[12:35] <abattoir> arso: there is a newer version 1.4.1 try installing that
[12:35] <arso> ok
[12:36] <abattoir> go to kubuntu.org
[12:36] <abattoir> you'll find instructions there
[12:36] <arso> can i use synaptic or adept
[12:36] <abattoir> arso: whichever you like/are comfortable w/
[12:36] <arso> ok
[12:36] <arso> btw , i have 2 games, foobilliard and frozen bubble same thing happens to them too
[12:36] <arso> loading, then nothing
[12:37] <abattoir> arso: well, if it is a graphics problem, then i understand the games not working... but amarok?
[12:37] <abattoir> but otoh, you also have the openGL error dont you
[12:37] <Ace2005> Hi all
[12:38] <abattoir> what exactly did you do w/ your video card? did you achieve what you wanted to do?
[12:40] <arso> no
[12:40] <arso> after 30 misn of trying
[12:41] <arso> they guy said "g2g, bye"
[12:41] <Ace2005> bye
[12:41] <abattoir> arso: then it could be a misconfigured graphics card causing the issues?
[12:41] <arso> lol
[12:41] <arso> yes i think sop
[12:41] <abattoir> because the only use i can think of is for the visualisers which amarok uses
[12:42] <arso> i asked them to help becoz videos were gay quality compared to windows
[12:42] <arso> so they set out to fix my drivers and stuff
[12:42] <abattoir> so maybe they need OpenGL... with which...
[12:42] <arso> and apparently did more damage
[12:42] <abattoir> arso: easy on the words.... :P
[12:42] <arso> hehe :p
[12:42] <Ace2005> Is it ok to install to reiser4?
[12:43] <abattoir> Ace2005: yes, perfectly ok
[12:43] <Ace2005> hi abattoir its me, from yesterday, i was trying to install on xfs
[12:44] <arso> so abattoir u know how to get openGL  , if thats wat i need
[12:44] <arso> libGL is opengl?
[12:44] <abattoir> Ace2005: oh, hehe, if you'd have introduced yourself earlier, i'd have been more polite :P
[12:44] <abattoir> Ace2005: actually which guy, i remember helping around 3~4 guys w/ the same issue... :P
[12:44] <abattoir> arso: sorry, i have no clue
[12:44] <arso> lol
[12:44] <arso> okay
[12:44] <Ace2005> abattoir: well i was called ubuntu and before that i was ubuntu__
[12:44] <Ace2005> lol
[12:44] <abattoir> Ace2005: you the one w/ ext3 /boot partition
[12:44] <abattoir> ??
[12:45] <Ace2005> yea
[12:45] <abattoir> Ace2005: heh, that's being even more vague
[12:45] <abattoir> oh, ok
[12:45] <abattoir> so what happened?
[12:45] <arso> so i am pretty much screwed :P
[12:45] <abattoir> arso:  who was the person who helped you?
[12:45] <Ace2005> abattoir: and you said to format it as reiser but now the installer is trying to format it as ext3 even though the reformat option is not ticked
[12:45] <abattoir> come back later... your usual time ( ;) )
[12:45] <arso> abattoir:  umm darkwizzard and djdarkman
[12:46] <abattoir> i'm sure they'll be a lot more ppl who canhelp you :)
[12:46] <arso> abattoir:  i am always on :P
[12:46] <hari> hmmm
[12:46] <abattoir> Ace2005: really? that shouldnt happen
[12:46] <hari> :)
[12:46] <abattoir> Ace2005: are you sure ?
[12:46] <Ace2005> yea i'm sure
[12:46] <abattoir> hari: are you a bot? ;)
[12:46] <arso> llol
[12:46] <hari> no :)
[12:47] <arso> prove it?
[12:47] <arso> kaffeine works fine
[12:47] <arso> !opengl
[12:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about opengl - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:47] <hari> lets try turing test ;)
[12:47] <arso> !libGL
[12:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about libGL - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:47] <arso> !gl
[12:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about gl - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:47] <abattoir> Ace2005: what gives you the idea that it is formatting as ext3?
[12:48] <abattoir> hari: nah, you passed already :P
[12:48] <hari> :)
[12:48] <abattoir> hari: you are a bot :), that's how bots answer to such questions :)
[12:48] <Ace2005> abattoir: at the last screen before you confirm it shows that /home and / are being formatted but only /home needs to be formatted
[12:48] <hari> lol
[12:49] <hari> arso, maybe you can try installing that new version of amarok
[12:49] <hari> maybe it will fix the problem
[12:49] <Ace2005> abattoir: i ran sudo mkreiser4 /dev/hda5
[12:50] <hari> maybe i am the first bot to pass turing test 100% :)
[12:50] <abattoir> Ace2005: both are formatted as reiserfs?
[12:51] <Ace2005> abattoir: /home is ext3 and / is reiser
[12:52] <abattoir> Ace2005: and what does the installer say? in the last step ?
[12:52] <Ace2005> abattoir: let me restart it
[12:52] <abattoir> Ace2005: make sure both are unticked(for formatting)
[12:53] <abattoir> Ace2005: and make sure the mt. points are right
[12:53] <arso> hari:  umm prove ur botness tarudoe
[12:54] <Ace2005> abattoir: the partitioning bit shows it as unknown
[12:54] <abattoir> Ace2005: if you already partitioned in the cmd line, ignore the partitioning bit
[12:55] <abattoir> go to the confirmation screen
[12:55] <arso> OMGOMGOMGOMG
[12:55] <arso> i removed
[12:55] <abattoir> where it lists which partitions are being formatted...
[12:55] <arso> openGL
[12:55] <arso> it removed
[12:55] <arso> ALL my media players
[12:55] <abattoir> arso: work?
[12:55] <arso> IT REMOVED ALLLL MY PLAYERS!!
[12:55] <arso> including amarok
[12:56] <arso> :(
[12:56] <abattoir> arso: hehe, maybe when you boot up next time... there might be nothing to boot into...
[12:56] <hari> lol
[12:56] <arso> .. dont scare me
[12:56] <abattoir> arso: i asked you to be patient till those guys came
[12:56] <hari> he he he
[12:56] <arso> oh god i n eed to instal all again
[12:56] <arso> vl
[12:57] <arso> lol
[12:57] <hari> yes he did say that
[12:57] <abattoir> arso: anyway, the fun w/ linux is screwing around with it
[12:57] <arso> hari:  st fu bot
[12:57] <arso> lol
[12:57] <arso> i just wanted to play a song :( 1 hour ago
[12:57] <hari> :)
[12:57] <arso> hari:  silence
[12:57] <hari> ok
[12:57] <arso> ok i reinstalled openGL
[12:57] <Ace2005> abattoir: The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #5 of /dev/hda as ext3, partition #5 of /dev/hdb as ext3
[12:58] <abattoir> arso: ok, now try installing the latest ver. of amarok
[12:58] <arso> and now installing amarok
[12:58] <arso> lets see
[12:58] <arso> ok
[12:58] <arso> i am
[12:58] <arso> adept only has latest versions right?
[12:58] <abattoir> Ace2005: when did you do the partitioning?
[12:58] <abattoir> arso: no.
[12:58] <arso> oh
[12:58] <arso> well i dont know wat version its instlling
[12:59] <arso> 3.9?
[12:59] <abattoir> Ace2005: did you reboot after that ?
[12:59] <arso> is that a version?> its in the filename
[12:59] <abattoir> arso: latest is 1.4.1
[12:59] <abattoir> arso:  check out kubuntu.org
[12:59] <arso> guessss not
[12:59] <arso> oh
[12:59] <arso> its 1.3.9
[12:59] <Ace2005> abattoir: yesterday, i did it in qtparted, then i rebooted and installed windows in hda1 and now i'm installing kubuntu
[12:59] <arso> i'll just upadate thru the kubuntu.org
[12:59] <Ace2005> abattoir: no reboot after formatting the partition as reiser4
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: oh ok... but then when did you do the reiser thing?
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: then you'd need to reboot
[01:00] <hari> arso, if you are doing it from adept manager then you can get the details by clicking on the small arrow on the left side
[01:00] <Ace2005> abattoir: while i was talking to you
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: but run cfdisk first
[01:00] <arso> hari:  thank u, useless
[01:00] <Ace2005> abattoir: ok i'll reboot
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: ok, rucn 'sudo cfdisk' first
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: do that before you reboot
[01:00] <Ace2005> abattoir: FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive Press any key to exit cfdisk
[01:01] <abattoir> Ace2005: ok exit it
[01:01] <abattoir> Ace2005: quit the installer
[01:01] <abattoir> Ace2005: unmount all your harddisk partitions
[01:01] <Ace2005> still the same error
[01:02] <hari> ok everyone i am leaving, bye :)
[01:02] <arso> when the instal finishes i'll reboot and see if it will
[01:02] <Ace2005> bye hari
[01:02] <abattoir> Ace2005: unmounted the disk fully ? sure?
[01:02] <Ace2005> well according to kde in system:/ they aren't even fstab and it couldn't mount then
[01:02] <Ace2005> them*
[01:03] <abattoir> Ace2005: the installer mounts them...
[01:03] <Ace2005> abattoir: where?
[01:03] <jihi> hi
[01:03] <abattoir> Ace2005: ok, i say this because the partition table needs to be written to disk
[01:04] <Ace2005> abattoir: the partition table hasn't changed, just the file system in hda5
[01:04] <arso> jihi:  hi
[01:04] <abattoir> Ace2005: afaik, you need to update it....
[01:04] <jihi> has anybody a working xorg.conf for gforce 440go  ?
[01:05] <abattoir> Ace2005: you can try continuing installation if you want... but if the installer crashes... dont ask me
[01:05] <Ace2005> abattoir: so i restart and then it'll show its reiserfs?
[01:05] <abattoir> Ace2005: restart the computer? please do that if you can... but it'd be good if you can run cfdisk before that
[01:06] <Ace2005> abattoir: still gives the same error
[01:06] <abattoir> Ace2005: hmmm i still think the drive is mounted... ok, anyways restart
[01:06] <rascal999> I am trying to edit a file in the /etc/ folder but I don't have permission?
[01:07] <Ace2005> abattoir: whats the alternative install disk? does that have the old type installer?
[01:07] <abattoir> Ace2005: yes it does
[01:08] <Ace2005> abattoir: is that the only difference?
[01:08] <abattoir> Ace2005: it also is less bug-infested
[01:08] <abattoir> Ace2005: supports reiserfs too
[01:08] <Ace2005> abattoir: thanks, i'll download that and try it
[01:08] <Ace2005> abattoir: thanks for all the help, bye
[01:08] <abattoir> Ace2005: if you can get that, and are ok w/ the text-based installation, i'll recommend that
[01:08] <abattoir> Ace2005: bye :)
[01:08] <Ace2005> bye all
[01:10] <arso> bye
[01:11] <abattoir> arso: got the latest version yet?
[01:11] <arso> damn still 31% :S
[01:11] <abattoir> arso: anyway i am not very confident that it'd work
[01:11] <abattoir> arso: i'm pretty much sure graphics is the problem
[01:11] <abattoir> arso: wait for those guys to come up... and finish the process
[01:11] <arso> if i find them
[01:12] <arso> anyways there are a few pros usually around later
[01:12] <abattoir> arso: exactly :)
[01:12] <arso> gatekeepe and stuf
[01:12] <abattoir> arso:  your best chums :)
[01:12] <FrEdAtTaCk> hello kubuntu users
[01:13] <arso> hehe
[01:13] <arso> hell fre.blabla
[01:13] <arso> hello*
[01:13] <FrEdAtTaCk> I can't install kubuntu because my hard drive is nog recognize
[01:13] <tiny> HI I need some help about wine : is somebody able to help me ?
[01:13] <arso> u sure its plugged in right?
[01:13] <abattoir> heh
[01:13] <Healot> hello FrEdAtTaCk the kubuntuans
[01:13] <arso> tiny:  did u try the wine channel?      abattoir IS THERE a wine channel?
[01:13] <abattoir> yes, of course
[01:13] <abattoir> #wine
[01:13] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have a VT8237A sata controller in these pc
[01:14] <abattoir> or #winehq
[01:14] <tiny> thanks I don't know there is a wine channel. I go now.
[01:14] <arso> ok good
[01:14] <arso> FrEdAtTaCk: are u dual booting with windows or mac?
[01:14] <Philip5> arso: how is it going?
[01:14] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have tried with kubuntu 6.06  64-bit, 32-bit and the alternate version , always freeze it on partitioning
[01:14] <arso> yay
[01:15] <arso> phili is here!
[01:15] <Philip5> arso: hehe
[01:15] <FrEdAtTaCk> arso, no only kubuntu
[01:15] <arso> its going bad  :(
[01:15] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have also tried with manualy load the sata_via module , always some problem
[01:15] <arso> FrEdAtTaCk:  oh so u didnt try this harddisk out yet, so it could be not plugged in
[01:16] <arso> hmm
[01:16] <Philip5> arso: oh? how come?
[01:16] <arso> Philip5:  i am having problems with the graphics,were u there yesterday? when darkwizzard was helping me?
[01:16] <FrEdAtTaCk> yes arso , I also partitioning the hard drive with partition magic
[01:16] <Philip5> arso: i wasn't
[01:17] <arso> Philip5:  oh , i complained to someone that my video quality was gay, comapred to windows.
[01:17] <arso> Philip5:  so they started doing some weird stuff , trying to fix my driver, or see if it exists (ati radeon series200)
[01:17] <FrEdAtTaCk> arso have you installed the video driver ?
[01:17] <arso> and now , i noticed all programs that use graphics (games, amarok not loading (visualisations)
[01:17] <arso> i think so
[01:18] <arso> FrEdAtTaCk: sorry, i aint no expert, cant help u with the partitioning,u tried qtparted tho?
[01:18] <nancy1> hi everyone,,
[01:18] <Philip5> arso: oh, well i use nvidia so i'm not exactly sure of ati parameters
[01:18] <arso> nancy1:  welcome
[01:18] <arso> oh
[01:18] <arso> damn, everyones on nvidia :(
[01:18] <FrEdAtTaCk> yes, qtparted doesn't also recognize the hdd
[01:18] <nancy1> I have a X problem this morning,, can anyone help me,,
[01:18] <nancy1> X start only for few second an send mem to command line
[01:18] <Philip5> arso: have you read the howto?
[01:19] <arso> which howto? :P kubuntu,org?
[01:19] <arso> thing is, it was fine, untill those guys were helping me
[01:19] <nancy1> when I put in startx it tells me that it is already in fonction,, how can I resolve this problem,, x starts normally when I boot in recovery,,
[01:20] <arso> wtf, system settings aint loading up
[01:20] <arso> Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop' is malformatted"         oh god
[01:20] <nancy1> Thx for the welcome arso
[01:20] <arso> lol, sorry i am of no help, a newb myself
[01:21] <Philip5> nancy1: any other problem while at the kdm login?
[01:21] <arso> Philip5:  Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop' is malformatted     .. sounds serious
[01:21] <Philip5> arso: yes, very,,, now you have to reformat everything and do a reinstall... ;)
[01:22] <arso> yay
[01:22] <arso> ............O M G
[01:22] <Philip5> arso: na
[01:22] <arso> lol? u were joking? i hope
[01:22] <Philip5> arso: of course
[01:22] <Philip5> :)
[01:22] <arso> phew! dont scare me like that :P
[01:23] <nancy1> in recovery no,, but in my user,, I see pointer a few second and Im sent to prompt login,, and when I try to startx then, ,it tells mem that its already in fonction on monitor 0,, and im on a laptop,, so no muti screen
[01:23] <ninHer> hi all
[01:23] <arso> how are u chatting? different computer?
[01:23] <arso> ninHer:  hello
[01:24] <arso> hasta lavista
[01:24] <nancy1> Philip5, I did try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg,, with no positive result,,
[01:25] <arso> nancy1:  was it working fine earlier?
[01:25] <nancy1> arso, was working fine for a week,, and no change as been made since install last week
[01:25] <nancy1> was sent to prompt login this morning
[01:25] <Philip5> nancy1: let us see you /var/log/Xorg.0.log but we only need lines from your last try
[01:26] <Philip5> put it at pastebin
[01:26] <arso> !paste
[01:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:26] <nancy1> heuu i do that from prompt?
[01:26] <nancy1> and how do I post that here,, its on the orher laptop,,
[01:26] <Philip5> nancy1: are you at a different computer now?
[01:27] <nancy1> hold on ,
[01:27] <Philip5> arso: need that kcontrol-file?
[01:27] <arso> Philip5:  i have no idea, wat to do
[01:27] <nancy1> Philip5, yes,, still on prompt on the one I cant log on x
[01:29] <Philip5> nancy1: can you get the log to the other computer somehow?
[01:29] <arso> Philip5:  so wat should i do ? :P
[01:29] <Philip5> arso: with the kcontrol file? make a new one
[01:30] <arso> Philip5:  well with everything, Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop' is malformatted" wat was that":
[01:30] <arso> i am considering a fresh installation
[01:30] <Philip5> arso: do you get my dcc?
[01:30] <arso> no
[01:30] <ninHer> hello arso
[01:30] <arso> ninHer:  hello?
[01:31] <nancy1> Philip5, if I look at Xorg.0.log  the last 10 lines have a WARNING  font renderer for..... already registered at prioroty 0
[01:32] <Philip5> arso: make sure you kcontol.desktop file look like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18588
[01:33] <Philip5> arso: otherwise make it... :)
[01:33] <arso> umm how do open it? wheres its location
[01:33] <Philip5> arso: you said it yourself
[01:33] <Philip5> arso: /usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop
[01:34] <Philip5> nancy1: that only mean that you have tried to start it once and that it's still running but not working
[01:34] <Philip5> nancy1: look for the first error and why
[01:34] <arso> Philip5:  u do this for charity :P ?
[01:34] <Philip5> arso: no while eating lunch :)
[01:35] <arso> Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/kfmclient_dir.desktop' is malformatted
[01:35] <nancy1> im gonna try login recovery,, and get it from there
[01:35] <arso> oh god
[01:35] <arso> i cant even get that
[01:35] <arso> there*
[01:35] <nancy1> since it work fine in thet mode
[01:35] <arso> and if i got to storage devices i get same msg
[01:35] <arso> omg
[01:35] <arso> or home folder
[01:35] <IGGY_POP> hi guys, how to create a super administrator account in graphic mode, and how to create bootable floppy when a cdrom doesn't boot ?
[01:36] <arso> ....my whole root is owned or wat Philip5
[01:37] <IGGY_POP> anybody there to answer my questions ?
[01:37] <arso> IGGY_POP:  hmm didnt u already create one when u installed kubntu?
[01:37] <arso> IGGY_POP:  u still use floppies :P?
[01:38] <IGGY_POP> i can't use other things
[01:38] <josi> any ideas what could cause a jerky video stream?
[01:38] <IGGY_POP> my cd rom doesn't boot
[01:38] <arso> bad connection
[01:38] <arso> IGGY_POP:  is it mounted/
[01:38] <IGGY_POP> no i mean in the start of the computer
[01:38] <IGGY_POP> if you want to use a live cd
[01:39] <IGGY_POP> your cd rom has to be bootable
[01:39] <arso> ic
[01:39] <arso> i dont know :S
[01:39] <IGGY_POP> ok
[01:39] <IGGY_POP> someone know that ?
[01:39] <arso> Philip5:  where are u
[01:39] <Philip5> arso: i'm here
[01:39] <Philip5> and there
[01:39] <arso> Philip5:  any thoughts
[01:39] <arso> i cant access anything
[01:39] <slow-motion> re
[01:40] <arso> altho interestingly, i am downloading stuff to the root partition
[01:40] <arso> and its downloading normaly
[01:40] <arso> otherwisei  get malformatted
[01:40] <SoLo18> cine ma poate ajuta si pe mine in legatura cu cum sa instalez porgrame pe Kubutu /dar in ROMANA?
[01:40] <Philip5> arso: same as usuall with you... permissions
[01:40] <arso> oh
[01:40] <arso> so "sudo chown -R arso /"
[01:40] <feet> hi. i need to install nvidia-glx. however it keeps asking me to download the 386 kernel packages and related. but i am using the 686 kernel packages. am i doing something wrong??
[01:41] <Healot> numa numa iei numa numa iei
[01:41] <Philip5> arso: ehem, depends on what you are doing it on
[01:41] <arso> Healot:  u romanian?
[01:41] <arso> Philip5:  access anything
[01:41] <arso> first time i see that "malformatted thing"
[01:41] <hardw1re> !azureus
[01:41] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[01:41] <arso> Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/kfmclient_dir.desktop' is malformatted
[01:41] <josi> should i use xine or gstreamer framework as back-end?
[01:42] <Philip5> arso: then with the other problems maybe you don't have access to the file
[01:43] <arso> so how do we deal with it
[01:43] <nancy1> Philip5, I posted Xorg.0.log on paste.ubuntu-nl
[01:43] <Philip5> nancy1: i'll have a look
[01:44] <Philip5> nancy1: but please give me the url to your post
[01:44] <arso> hehe
[01:44] <arso> so my turn :P
[01:45] <arso> brb, reboot
[01:45] <hardw1re> which repos do i need for the sun-java5-jre ?
[01:46] <kbrooks> How do I install Flaash under Kubuntu? What packages?
[01:47] <nancy1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18589   and 18590
[01:47] <Tommy2k4> kaffeine has such high cpu usage :s
[01:47] <arso> back
[01:48] <arso> omg
[01:48] <arso> it took away konque
[01:48] <joaquim> hardw1re: sun-java5-jre is availlable in multiverse repos
[01:49] <arso> IT TOOK KONQUE
[01:51] <Philip5> nancy1: to clue really from that... what about your syslog? any errors in there?
[01:51] <Philip5> to=no
[01:51] <arso> oh god
[01:51] <arso> i 've fuked everything up
[01:51] <nancy1> Philip5, I just noticed something,, Philip5 syslog or syslog.0
[01:52] <Philip5> syslog
[01:52] <arso> Philip5:  i rebooted
[01:52] <arso> and its into some kind of safe mode
[01:52] <arso> the wallpaper is plain
[01:53] <arso> it doesnt open any program including run command
[01:53] <kbrooks> arso: theres no safe mode
[01:53] <arso> hmm
[01:53] <arso> then wat is this
[01:53] <kbrooks> arso: reinstall kubuntu
[01:53] <arso> easy to say
[01:53] <arso> i need stuff from the root partition
[01:54] <arso> data*
[01:54] <nancy1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18592
[01:54] <arso> Philip5:  help..
[01:55] <hardw1re> meow
[01:55] <aegeanlinux> woof
[01:56] <nancy1> Philip5, to come back to what I noticed,, I think that in my user profile,, rfresh rate is at 63Mhz for the screen and I dont have any higher setting,, but inrecovery, I have a refresh of 85,, can it be it,, ??
[01:56] <aegeanlinux> :P Jokes
[01:56] <arso> ;)
[01:56] <arso> lol'
[01:56] <Philip5> nancy1: try
[01:57] <nancy1> how can I change to higher setting in user if they dont show?
[01:58] <nancy1> by redoing reconfigure xserver and putting manually setting?
[01:58] <arso> ..........
[02:03] <arso> Philip5:  y aren u helping me :(
[02:04] <pepsi> kbrooks: did you figure out the flash thing yet? curious about that myself
[02:05] <hardw1re> hmm my Azureus seems to have not show the windows, i just have the grey box with the toolbar
[02:06] <aegeanlinux> hardw1re: dang
[02:06] <hardw1re> dunno then again i might just be use to the windows version of Azureus
[02:07] <arso> i am using azureus
[02:07] <arso> on windows AND linux
[02:08] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> what version of java r u  using?
[02:08] <arso> no idea
[02:09] <arso> lol
[02:09] <kbrooks> java -version
[02:09] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> java - version
[02:10] <arso> k
[02:10] <kbrooks> ThirdEyeSkweeky: Without the space
[02:10] <hardw1re> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu8)
[02:10] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> yup sorry --
[02:10] <hardw1re> java version "1.4.2"
[02:10] <arso> my linux is fuked i cant even get to konsole
[02:11] <edison> hi everyone
[02:12] <Healot> arso, hehehe
[02:12] <aeth> hi all, I just installed kubuntu and setup the nvidia drivers. My system crashes when I end my current X session, I get garbled lines on screen and no response. System used to work well running nvidia driver with SuSE... any ideas?
[02:13] <hardw1re> did u install the nvidia driver from the repos
[02:13] <aeth> yup
[02:13] <hardw1re> or from the nvidia site?
[02:13] <aeth> I did a sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:13] <arso> Healot:  how good with linux are u?
[02:13] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> what happens when u just start X?
[02:13] <edison> i have a problem with linux, my kernel version is 2.6.15-26-386 and i try to update to the 686 version but i had a problem with he graphic interface
[02:14] <aeth> you mean without kdm? as in startx from console?
[02:15] <edison> aeth i almost have the the same problem as u
[02:15] <aeth> hrmmm
[02:15] <arso> u guys are lucky, i got an ATI , pain in the ass withl inux
[02:15] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> yes or try failsafe from kdm/gdm
[02:15] <hardw1re> moo
[02:16] <aeth> ok
[02:16] <aeth> I'll give that a go
[02:16] <arso> umm anyone, i rebooted and its loaded up in a weird mode
[02:16] <aeth> I've read that framebuffer support can cause this problem as well...
[02:16] <arso> background is plain, no icons, non-clickable, run command doesnt load up
[02:16] <hardw1re> i cant seem to find the sun java re on the repos' i must be missing one
[02:16] <aeth> perhaps forcing it off during boot would help :S
[02:17] <edison> i also have a nvidia card and is also giving me a problem when i start the kernel version for 686
[02:17] <gnomefreak> hardw1re: enable the multiverse repos
[02:17] <arso> ok i am gonna reinstall kubuntu
[02:18] <arso> how do i do that atl east. i installed it thru a live cd
[02:19] <pepsi> edison: like what kind of problem?
[02:19] <hardw1re> right thats that sorted lol
[02:20] <edison> well i start ubuntu with kernel version for 386 but i download the 686 and when i start my system the graphic interface get mess up
[02:20] <eddie> can someone assist me in a wierd problem? In amaroK some songs play through one sound device and other songs play on another,
[02:21] <pepsi> edison: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, backing it up if you made any changes to it
[02:21] <pepsi> backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf i mean
[02:22] <pepsi> i had a similar problem, so i let it regenerate xorg.conf, then i made my modifications to xorg.conf again
[02:23] <edison> and some message appear saying that my x..... something is not configure as it should, so i guess is that what u r saying
[02:23] <edison> the thing is im not expert using the commands and stuff but ill try that
[02:23] <pepsi> yeah, reconfiguring xserver-xorg will at least get you back to something useable, even if its not completely what you want
[02:24] <pepsi> what display driver were you using before do you know?
[02:25] <edison> well i read somewhere that i can do his: apt-get install xserver-xorg to install it
[02:25] <edison> ?
[02:25] <pepsi> edison: its already installed
[02:26] <pepsi> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:27] <steveire> how can I make the commands in my .sh file appear when I run the file? It used to be @echo on or something for .bat files under windows
[02:28] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> set -xv in the first line of script <#!/bin/sh -xv
[02:28] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> >
[02:28] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> leave out <>
[02:28] <steveire> ah, thanks
[02:29] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> s/<>//g
[02:30] <skydivebird> hello?
[02:30] <arso> u caaa see"!?
[02:30] <arso> phew
[02:31] <arso> i wanna reinstall kubuntu
[02:31] <arso> i installed it thru a live cd
[02:31] <arso> i just insert the cd and isntal over this patition? or do i have to partition this first or wat
[02:32] <skydivebird> I don't know exaclty... I'vfe just begun to use LINUX OS...
[02:33] <skydivebird> I'm kind of new at this so i'm trying this distribution..
[02:34] <steveire> arso: you should be just able to install over the other installation. You'll be asked where you want to install it, so just select to format the existing partition
[02:34] <ubuntu__> kubuntu!
[02:34] <kbrooks> yup, its me
[02:34] <kbrooks> im back! :P
[02:35] <arso> i see
[02:35] <arso> oh great , i lost the cd,  and i think deleted the image
[02:35] <kbrooks> arso: uh oh
[02:36] <arso> oh thank god, i found the image
[02:36] <arso> i;ll just burn it now
[02:36] <arso> damn i am gonna have a long day
[02:36] <kbrooks> heh
[02:36] <arso> instaling stuff and codecs
[02:36] <arso> and drivers
[02:36] <arso>  :(
[02:36] <kbrooks> anyway
[02:37] <kbrooks> time for me to get "install"ing
[02:37] <aegeanlinux> hi kbrooks
[02:37] <arso> fresh isntallation too or wat/
[02:37] <aegeanlinux> arn't you in the #kde channel?
[02:37] <kbrooks> aegeanlinux: i was :-) lol
[02:37] <arso> oh btw, how do i burn an iso?
[02:38] <aegeanlinux> k3b
[02:38] <arso> !iso
[02:38] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[02:39] <arso> umm k3b ?
[02:41] <arso> this channel sux today :(
[02:42] <hardw1re> whats a good program for accessing news groups on linux?
[02:42] <Lynoure> arso: it's Saturday, people are prolly busy partying or sleeping late
[02:43] <arso> hehe yea
[02:43] <arso> the weekend where i am is thursday friday
[02:43] <Lynoure> k3b is good for burning things, yep.
[02:43] <centyx> anyone here know how to get xfishtank to work in kde?
[02:43] <centyx> i run 'xfishtank -d' and it does nothing
[02:44] <uliwitness> Hi guys, anybody want to help a Linux n00b (long-time Unix/Mac programmer, tho') getting LILO installed?
[02:44] <centyx> i run 'xfishtank' and the screen flashes blue for a second
[02:44] <uliwitness> I'm following the instructions on http://bin-false.org/?p=17
[02:44] <centyx> uliwitness: why lilo and not grub?
[02:44] <Lynoure> arso: and from k3b, Burn cd image, or burn dvd iso image, depending on which .iso you have
[02:44] <arso> i c, i am installing k3b now
[02:44] <uliwitness> The standard installation ends with "failed to install GRUB".
[02:45] <arso> btw wats on the kubuntu dvd iso ,?
[02:45] <uliwitness> And this article was the only doc that told me how to continue once that happens.
[02:45] <centyx> uliwitness: what are your partitions like?
[02:45] <uliwitness> NB - I'm installing onto an Intel Mac Mini.
[02:46] <uliwitness> My partitions? They're on an external USB drive. I have two Mac partitions (one bootable, one just data) and an ext3 and swap for Kubuntu.
[02:47] <hardw1re> hey whats a good program for linux to download stuff from news groups?
[02:47] <nancy1> is there a config somewhere that says boot in command line rather than X,, because I can boo t X in any other profile than mine,, and I dont see how that could happen,,
[02:47] <uliwitness> centyx: And there's probably an EFI partition somewhere on there too (the live CD mounts it) but I'm kinda confused how to use that with the Kubuntu installer.
[02:48] <centyx> uliwitness: which partitions are on the usb drive?
[02:48] <uliwitness> centyx: All of them?
[02:48] <centyx> uliwitness: ah ok
[02:49] <uliwitness> (I got the external one especially so I could install other OSs without screwing up the internal HD)
[02:49] <centyx> uliwitness: are you booting your system from this drive, or another
[02:49] <centyx> uliwitness: ah
[02:50] <uliwitness> centyx: Not sure I understand...? Right now I'm booted from the live CD, but I want to boot Kubuntu from the external one. Ideally without scrapping the other partitions.
[02:50] <francoise> hello
[02:50] <centyx> uliwitness: yea i know
[02:51] <aeth> I fixed it...
[02:51] <uliwitness> centyx: I also have an internal drive that I *could* boot into OS X from if that helped.
[02:51] <centyx> uliwitness: do you want the boot loader installed to the mbr of your internal drive... or do you want to just choose 'boot from usb' from your bios and then get the boot loader
[02:51] <uliwitness> The latter would be sufficient.
[02:52] <hardw1re> can someone remind me what the command is to get a list of currently running processes?
[02:52] <aeth> ps
[02:52] <aeth> ps -A
[02:52] <aeth> or indeed... top
[02:52] <hardw1re> ty
[02:52] <aeth> yw
[02:52] <ninHer> top -u (username)
[02:52] <Healot> top
[02:53] <uliwitness> centyx: I'm just trying out Kubuntu right now, and if it works I might mess around with it more, but I still need the Mac to just work without the external USB drive.
[02:53] <centyx> uliwitness: brb
[02:54] <uliwitness> centyx: I'm just trying to get LILO installed as that web site says, but I'm not sure what Kernel image I want to update in liloconfig.
[02:54] <centyx> uliwitness: ah
[02:54] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> nancyl: you mean if you login as root - X works?
[02:54] <uliwitness> centyx: it offers sarge, sid, coffee and debianlilo.
[02:55] <uliwitness> Which one is right for the current live CD?
[02:55] <centyx> uliwitness: not sure...
[02:55] <centyx> uliwitness: i would label the ext3 partition, and update fstab and grub's menu.lst to use the label instead of the device name
[02:55] <centyx> uliwitness: and use grub
[02:55] <centyx> uliwitness: sorry, i have to go
[02:56] <uliwitness> How do I get GRUB working?
[02:56] <steveire> uliwitness: What's not working about it?
[02:56] <uliwitness> I just get to the end of the install process and then it says it can't install GRUB and the installer crashes.
[02:57] <centyx> uliwitness: use e2label to label the partition
[02:57] <centyx> uliwitness: remake your swap partition with a label also if it doesn't have one already
[02:57] <uliwitness> I specified a label in the installer's GUI -- is that the same?
[02:57] <centyx> uliwitness: yea that's good enough
[02:58] <centyx> uliwitness: update /etc/fstab in the root of the target partition to mount the label not the device
[02:58] <centyx> uliwitness: and do the same in grub's menu.lst... lemme see if i can find an example, i don't remembe the exact syntax
[02:59] <uliwitness> Well, if I can get the installer not to crash, I could try that...
[02:59] <hardw1re> hmmm something is running that is causing Adept to run in read-only mode :((
[02:59] <centyx> uliwitness: oh it crashes b/c grub won't install
[02:59] <uliwitness> Yes.
[03:00] <centyx> uliwitness: yuck.
[03:00] <uliwitness> centyx: *nods*
[03:00] <centyx> uliwitness: there's other stuff it does after it installs the boot loader so that's not good
[03:01] <centyx> uliwitness: sorry i really gotta go. :( good luck
[03:01] <uliwitness> Thanks.
[03:01] <aeth> just a thought... if it can't install the boot loader... does that suggest the MBR is write protected?
[03:01] <centyx> aeth: no
[03:02] <uliwitness> Hmm... I'll try the labels again, I guess, and if it works, then  good, and if not, I'll check out what other settings I can fiddle with.
[03:02] <BigAl> hi
[03:02] <aeth> hey AL
[03:03] <uliwitness> Maybe I'll need to try another kind of partition table or set up some other checkbox that makes it use the right format...
[03:03] <hardw1re> how do i search apt-get from console again?
[03:03] <BigAl> i was wondering if I could get a little help/advice here... I'm having problems with Ark
[03:03] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> CU 'round, all - I'm going now....
[03:04] <aeth> what's the problem BigAl?
[03:05] <uliwitness> Hmmm... LILO fails on installing MBR as well, probably something related to that.
[03:05] <aeth> you sure you don't have some funky bios setting to protect your MBR?
[03:06] <BigAl> when i start the app, it appears in the panel (Loading application....) but it never starts. After a few seconds it just seems to stop loading. I've tried typing 'ark' in the shell and i get the message "ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.". Up until now, ark has worked perfectly
[03:06] <aeth> uli: like AV protection on the mainboard or something...
[03:06] <aeth> hrmmm
[03:06] <uliwitness> aeth: It's a Mac. How would I know what funky protection stuff it comes with by default?
[03:06] <BigAl> i've removed and installed ark again via Adept but it doesn't seem to make a difference
[03:07] <aeth> upgraded/installed anything recently BigAl?
[03:07] <uliwitness> aeth: :-)
[03:07] <DeBert> Is it me, or is JavaScript support in Konqueror really buggy?
[03:07] <aeth> uli: good question...
[03:07] <BKaj> good morning all
[03:07] <BigAl> yeah, a few things actually.... gftpd... wine....
[03:08] <BigAl> the last thing before that was apache, mysql, php  but it was working fine after that
[03:08] <uliwitness> It just told me I was installing a boot sector in a dangerous place and it assumed I knew what I'm doing...
[03:08] <aeth> hrmmm
[03:08] <uliwitness> *sigh*
[03:08] <uliwitness> Guess I'll be reformatting that disk sooner rather than later ;-)
[03:08] <aeth> can you still gzip and tar from the CLI?
[03:09] <uliwitness> Right now everything seems to be still working.
[03:09] <BigAl> i don't know to be honest....
[03:09] <aeth> uli: can you get into BIOS on reboot (I have never owned a mac I don't know the key combo for this)
[03:09] <ThirdEyeSkweeky>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[03:09] <BigAl> hang on, i'll download a gzip
[03:09] <uliwitness> Not sure... Strictly spoken it uses EFI.
[03:10] <aeth> Al: try to compress a file by typeing "tar- czvf yourfile.tar.gz yourfile.name" in the console
[03:10] <BKaj> Got a shut down prob ...monitor turns off but the ps doesn't ...just sits there , still turned on ...have to turn the power off manually
[03:10] <BKaj> err ps=pc
[03:10] <uliwitness> aeth: I know how to boot from other partitions, does that suffice? I'll look up how to get into EFI prompt.
[03:10] <BigAl> ok aeth, will do
[03:11] <hardw1re> what command do i use to search the repos' when using a shell command line?
[03:11] <aeth> uli: nah... I'm thinking pre-boot... on the machine post screen (where it counts your ram) you should have an option to enter the system setup (before OS loads)
[03:11] <hardw1re> !apt-get
[03:12] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[03:12] <aeth> uli: try hammering F2 or ALT+F2 or DEL or F1 to get into system setup
[03:12] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> !aptitude
[03:12] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[03:13] <BigAl> "tar- czvf yourfile.tar.gz yourfile.nam"    hmmm....
[03:13] <BigAl> oops
[03:13] <uliwitness> aeth: I don't get the count RAM screen. It's turned off by default.
[03:13] <BigAl> wrong paste
[03:13] <aeth> k
[03:13] <BigAl> "bash: tar-: command not found
[03:13] <BigAl> "
[03:13] <uliwitness> But usually at startup I can press alt to get a startup volume selector.
[03:13] <aeth> sorry mate... I've never worked with Macs... I'm guessing here
[03:13] <BigAl> hmm
[03:14] <uliwitness> Yeah, I know there's another key combo to get into EFI... Just can't find what it was right now.
[03:14] <aeth> BigAl: what's the output of which gzip
[03:14] <aeth> BigAl: what's the output of "which gzip"
[03:14] <BKaj> !logout
[03:14] <ubotu> I know nothing about logout - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:14] <BigAl> /bin/gzip
[03:14] <aeth> k
[03:14] <aeth> hrmm
[03:14] <BigAl> so I do have the package....
[03:15] <aeth> and when you type ark in a console... paste the message
[03:15] <BigAl> ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.
[03:15] <BigAl> hmm
[03:16] <BigAl> is it possible that ark could have crashed and broken a config file?
[03:17] <BigAl> something that wouldn't get removed when i uninstalled the package?
[03:17] <kbrooks> Hello!1
[03:17] <Healot> possible
[03:18] <aeth> BigAl: beats me mate... I just googled for your error message, and got one hit... no answers though
[03:18] <aeth> you say you tried reinstalling ark?
[03:18] <BigAl> yeah
[03:18] <BigAl> with Adept
[03:18] <BigAl> i've looked all the usual places.... google, ubuntuforums.org
[03:18] <aeth> try "sudo apt-get install ark" on the command line
[03:18] <BigAl> searched for ark support etc
[03:18] <aeth> then give it another go
[03:19] <BigAl> ark is already the newest version.
[03:19] <BigAl> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[03:20] <aeth> try "sudo apt-get remove ark" on the command line
[03:20] <BigAl> haha - just did that
[03:20] <aeth> then "sudo apt-get install ark"
[03:20] <BigAl> and installed again
[03:20] <aeth> lol
[03:20] <aeth> and?
[03:20] <BigAl> same message when i called 'ark'
[03:20] <hardw1re> then maybe its a dependency that ark uses thats broken
[03:20] <aeth> could be...
[03:20] <BigAl> :-/
[03:20] <BigAl> sounds nasty...
[03:20] <aeth> lol
[03:20] <uliwitness> aeth: Hmmm... looks like this'll be a tad more complicated than I thought.
[03:20] <BigAl> heh
[03:21] <qbit> zlib not installed?
[03:21] <hardw1re> probably a library archive needs fixing or installing or something
[03:21] <uliwitness> I need to install an EFI shell first, before I can go into that to do BIOSy things...
[03:21] <BigAl> ok.... should i go to the ark site and check the listed dependancies?
[03:21] <aeth> uli: I googled... found you don't have a user accessible BIOS equivalent apparently??!!
[03:21] <BigAl> apt-get install them all?
[03:22] <uliwitness> Yes, I'd need to install rEFIt to get a shell into my EFI.
[03:22] <uliwitness> aeth: At least I now know why that web site suggested to install rEFIt. Their web site doesn't say what it actually is...
[03:23] <BigAl> wow.... 14 dependant packages.......
[03:23] <BigAl> bbiab :)
[03:23] <kbrooks> anyway
[03:23] <aeth> BigAl... you may try upgrading your packages to bring all the dependencies in line
[03:23] <BigAl> ah.... ok
[03:24] <uliwitness> aeth: Bah, it's too hot to be messing with stuff like that. I think I'll call it a day and try again some other time. Thanks for all the clues.
[03:24] <BigAl> apt-get upgrade?
[03:24] <uliwitness> aeth: One small step at a time, I guess.
[03:24] <aeth> BigAl; you could do that... it may take a while though
[03:24] <aeth> yup
[03:24] <aeth> good luck uli
[03:24] <BigAl> i'm prepared to give it a shot
[03:24] <BigAl> can't live without ark
[03:24] <aeth> lol
[03:25] <aeth> man tar al... I never use ark :P
[03:25] <BigAl> :)
[03:25] <BigAl> it's for all the stuff I get.... you know... stuff :)
[03:25] <BigAl> stuff tends to come in rar ;)
[03:25] <aeth> unrar
[03:25] <hardw1re> can tar extract .rar archives?
[03:26] <hardw1re> lol ok my question was answered by someone else' question lol
[03:26] <BigAl> lol
[03:26] <uliwitness> aeth: Thanks.
[03:26] <BigAl> as a n00b, it might be better if i try to fix what i've broken rather than just use something else
[03:26] <uliwitness> Now to reboot...
[03:26] <hardw1re> <3 klibido
[03:26] <aeth> true
[03:26] <BigAl> maybe
[03:26] <BigAl> :D
[03:26] <uliwitness> *waves* bye, folks.
[03:26] <BigAl> seeya
[03:26] <hardw1re> bye bye uliwitness
[03:27] <hardw1re> lol anyone watching star trek tng on bbc2?
[03:28] <aeth> nope... history channel atm
[03:28] <hardw1re> wow tng really is showing its age
[03:28] <kbrooks> hardw1re: eh?
[03:28] <hardw1re> it looks almost like the original ST
[03:28] <aeth> and my seven month old son (who's trashing the lounge around me)
[03:28] <hardw1re> LOL
[03:28] <hardw1re> kids eh
[03:29] <hardw1re> who'd 'ave em
[03:29] <hardw1re> apart from you :P
[03:29] <hardw1re> and my parents
[03:29] <aeth> yu huh
[03:29] <aeth> :)
[03:30] <hardw1re> is it me, or does kLibido give the wrong details, i have over 600mb in the download queue and its showing it as 600kb
[03:30] <hardw1re> lol
[03:31] <hardw1re> rabbits
[03:31] <aeth> apt-get rules...
[03:32] <aeth> I just installed kubuntu this morning... (came from SuSE 10.1) and I'm really impressed
[03:32] <BigAl> ok. i did apt-get install for all the dependancies with no joy :(
[03:32] <BigAl> alun@desktop:~$ ark
[03:32] <BigAl> ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.
[03:32] <BigAl> bah
[03:33] <aeth> try running it as root
[03:33] <aeth> i.e. sudo ark
[03:33] <BigAl> ah ok, hadn't thought of that
[03:33] <LjL> it works as user here
[03:33] <BigAl> nah, same
[03:33] <aeth> hrmmm
[03:33] <LjL> BigAl: what if you run it from alt+space?
[03:34] <BigAl> man i love katapult
[03:34] <BigAl> but no, just the same :)
[03:35] <LjL> i've just joined - is this just a problem with ark, or happens with other programs? what if ark is run by opening an archive file?
[03:35] <fabietto> hi
[03:35] <BigAl> hang on, ill paste the prob
[03:35] <fabietto> someone can help me to reconfigure kernel?
[03:35] <LjL> fabietto: reconfigure as in what, recompile?
[03:35] <fabietto> i must active the toshiba support
[03:36] <BigAl> when i start the app, it appears in the panel (Loading application....) but it never starts. After a few seconds it just seems to stop loading. I've tried typing 'ark' in the shell and i get the message "ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.". Up until now, ark has worked perfectly
[03:36] <fabietto> yes..:) sorry but i don't speak english very well
[03:36] <fabietto> :d
[03:37] <LjL> fabietto: well i don't know about toshiba support, but to recompile the kernel you need build-essential, libreadline5-dev, and obviously the kernel source, which you extract and then run "make menuconfig"... and then something like "make" followed by "make modules". but read the docs
[03:37] <Joel> what's the kubuntu alternative to "make"
[03:37] <fabietto> i have get down kernel source (apt-get install liux-kernel-source...)
[03:37] <LjL> Joel: hm, there is none. make is just a standard GNU (and not only) program, it's there in both ubuntu and kubuntu
[03:37] <fabietto> i have run make oldconfig
[03:38] <LjL> BigAl: try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install ark"
[03:38] <BigAl> when i try extract a file form the CLI i get
[03:38] <BigAl> "bash: tar-: command not found
 "
[03:38] <Joel> make doesn't work in Konsole.
[03:38] <RogueJediX> Anyone here have experience with proftpd?
[03:38] <Joel> at least not for me.
[03:38] <LjL> BigAl: "tar-"? you need a space between the command "tar" and the first option (starting possibly with "-")
[03:38] <fabietto> and make menuconfig, setting up the toshiba support
[03:38] <LjL> Joel: install build-essential
[03:38] <fabietto> so exit and save the conf
[03:38] <LjL> !tell joel about b-e
[03:39] <edison> hi can anyone help me with x server
[03:39] <LjL> !helpme
[03:39] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:39] <BigAl> i've removed and installed ark using apt-get and using Adept
[03:39] <BigAl> doesn't make a difference
[03:39] <RogueJediX> Or rather with ftp accounts?
[03:39] <fabietto> and lunch  make-kpkg clean
[03:39] <fabietto>  fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=toshiba.1.0 kernel_image
[03:39] <BigAl> also, i've apt-get install'd all the dependancies incase they were brokedn
[03:39] <BigAl> broken*
[03:40] <edison> y try to use kernel 686 but my graphical interface dont work, so what can i do?
[03:40] <fabietto> but after a lot of time, an error occour
[03:40] <Joel> ljl, I'm trying to compile wpa_supplicant so I can even get online.
[03:40] <LjL> fabietto: yes, that's probably a much better option than manually using the make commands. however i haven't been compiling a kernel for a long time, perhaps you could try "kernel compiling howto" on google
[03:40] <LjL> fabietto: what error?
[03:40] <aeth> what error edison?
[03:41] <fabietto> an error on the driver-usb
[03:41] <LjL> Joel: well, (k)ubuntu by default comes with no C compiler or whatever build tools, so you definitely need build-essential (which gives you gcc, make and more) to compile anything
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: rm -f ~/.kde/share/config/arkrc
[03:41] <edison> well i try to use kernel for I686 but once it starts my graphical interface get mess up
[03:41] <fabietto> but i have used make oldconfig for use the current conf
[03:41] <nizoral> scasate l'intromissione sto cercando il canale kubuntu.it da file/entra nel canale e poi digito #kubuntu.it ma nella scheda risulto solo io; sono alle prime armi, cosa sto sbagliando? grazie so che qui vige l'inglese ma q. volta chiudete un occhio ciao
[03:41] <Joel> how on earth can I get that without net access?
[03:41] <LjL> fabietto: use the pastebin to post the actual error
[03:41] <LjL> !it
[03:41] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: may be something in ark's config that's screwed up - that should clear it back to defaults.
[03:41] <LjL> !pastebin
[03:41] <edison> y try to configure xserver but didnt work
[03:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:42] <BigAl> ty LeeJunFan
[03:42] <BigAl> i'll try it now
[03:42] <fabietto> dio grazias :D esiste il canale in italiano
[03:42] <fabietto> :D
[03:42] <LjL> nizoral: you need the /join command -- as in "/join #kubuntu-it"
[03:42] <aeth> as you know I had a similar problem earlier on. I fixed mine by changing the kernel parameters to include "vga=normal" in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:42] <LjL> fabietto: heh yep :P
[03:42] <LjL> dunno how many people are there right now though
[03:42] <aeth> while I was there I took out quiet and splash...
[03:42] <nizoral> thanks
[03:43] <BigAl> LeeJunFan: no joy with that one
[03:43] <BigAl> this is strane
[03:43] <BigAl> strange*
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: got a .45?
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> :)
[03:45] <BigAl> haha
[03:45] <BigAl> no guns in scotland i'm afraid
[03:45] <BigAl> it's really got  me stumped
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: no guns? how do you fix computers w/o guns? haha
[03:46] <BigAl> lol
[03:46] <BigAl> we just throw them out the window
[03:47] <edison> well i try configuring xserver but didnt work so.....
[03:47] <BigAl> ok, thanks for your help guys.
[03:47] <aeth> did you get my post ealier on edison
[03:47] <BigAl> i'll move on for now
 as you know I had a similar problem earlier on. I fixed mine by changing the kernel parameters to include "vga=normal" in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:47] <BigAl> bbye
[03:47] <aeth> cya Al
[03:47] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: have you been running any kde apps with sudo? rather than kdesu? running kde apps with sudo can fsck up permissions in /var/tmp and /tmp for kde stuff.
[03:47] <BigAl> oh
[03:48] <BigAl> eh
[03:48] <BigAl> i don't normally run apps with root permissions
[03:48] <BigAl> i was running gproftpd yesterday with sudo
[03:48] <BigAl> other than that.... and maybe wine..
[03:48] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: that shouldn't matter. Only kde applications cause that.
[03:49] <BigAl> k
[03:49] <BigAl> oh
[03:49] <BigAl> konqueror
[03:49] <BigAl> i ran that with sudo the other day
[03:49] <BigAl> that's a kde app :)
[03:50] <aeth> that could be it Al
[03:50] <LjL> konqueror as root... BRR!
[03:50] <BigAl> oh, very interesting
[03:50] <BigAl> haha
[03:50] <BigAl> very briefly
[03:50] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: that could cause it, but if ark worked since then it's probably not it. What you can do is 'sudo chown -R [username]  /var/tmp/kdecache-[username] 
[03:50] <LjL> it's a bit like, dunno... internet explorer under wine as root with all permissions set :D
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: and also 'sudo chown -R [username]  /tmp/kde-[username]  && sudo chown -R [username]  /tmp/ksocket-[username] '
[03:52] <Guest477> hiya all, looking to insall java on kubuntu, had no probs in ubuntu... what's different?
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> Guest477: nothing
[03:53] <Guest477> not fresh in my mind... worked on it yesterday... why can't i execute a .bin?
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> Guest477: the only diff between ubuntu and kubuntu is the default desktop environment. you could have simply installed kubuntu-desktop from within ubuntu to have kubuntu.
[03:53] <LjL> Guest477: possibly because it's not set as executable. "chmod +x filename"
[03:53] <BigAl> LeeJunFan: still no joy :-/
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: hrm. beats me.
[03:53] <Guest477> ok done that
[03:54] <BigAl> well if it beats you guys, it sure beats me :)
[03:54] <Guest477> then sudo alien -1 blah blah
[03:54] <LjL> Guest477: alien? for a .bin?
[03:54] <Guest477> it gave me a script message
[03:54] <Guest477> no for the rpm
[03:54] <LjL> ah
[03:54] <LjL> what rpm though?
[03:54] <Guest477> need i add the script option to get it to go?
[03:54] <LjL> !rpm
[03:54] <BigAl> "sudo throw-pc-out-window"
[03:54] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[03:55] <LjL> Guest477: what rpm is that?
[03:55] <Guest477> java :)
[03:55] <LjL> Guest477: you don't need an rpm for java
[03:55] <BigAl> you can convert rpm's to debs......
[03:55] <LjL> !java
[03:55] <Guest477> jre5-b-l-a-h
[03:55] <BigAl> right?
[03:55] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:55] <Guest477> did that
[03:55] <LjL> !info sun-java5-jre
[03:55] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 7169 kB, installed size 15768 kB
[03:55] <Guest477> as a matter of fast alien -d
[03:55] <Guest477> fast-fact :)
[03:56] <LjL> Guest477: except you don't *need* or *want* to use alien and convert an RPM
[03:56] <LjL> it comes as a .deb
[03:56] <Guest477> wgere is the repo?
[03:56] <LjL> !multiverse
[03:56] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:56] <LjL> Guest477: you need to enable it
[03:56] <Guest477> oh gotcha
[03:56] <BigAl> i need to leave this now before i give up on linux :)     thanks guys
[03:56] <BigAl> cya
[03:56] <Guest477> hehe
[03:56] <Guest477> chicken :)
[03:56] <Guest477> ~:>
[03:56] <Guest477> i like it
[03:56] <Guest477> just gotta get the finer points
[03:56] <LjL> Guest477: i usually use this method https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[03:57] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: later.
[03:57] <BigAl> i love kubuntu but this is driving me nutes
[03:57] <LjL> Guest477: however i suppose you can do it from Adept if you prefer
[03:57] <Guest477> bya al gl to you :)
[03:57] <LjL> Guest477: just remember to NEVER install an rpm or a non-Ubuntu package if you don't *absolutely* need to, and you're positively sure the package is not in the repos
[03:57] <BigAl> later LeeJunFan
[03:57] <LjL> !packages
[03:57] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[03:57] <Guest477> thanks ljl, give me a little bit and ill haver going :)
[03:58] <Guest477> 18832 and counting :)
[03:58] <Guest477> i really appreciate it :)
[04:00] <confused> can someone help me?
[04:01] <aeth> go ahead and ask your question confused
[04:02] <confused> you can run shareaza in wine but to get the g1+g2 networks to connect it requires a file with I placed in the folder but it still wont work? im wondering if any of you did something different if you use shareaza anyways
[04:03] <Guest477> i just install gift from repos, not tried yet :)
[04:04] <Guest477> gtkgnutella is functional and decent
[04:04] <confused> well it seems simple but im wondering if im suppost to install it a certain way
[04:04] <confused> do you get g1 and g2?
[04:04] <confused> I like multinetwork p2ps :)
[04:04] <aeth> are their any alternative native linux apps for p2p that you could use confused?
[04:05] <confused> possibly but a few google searches proved that they dont have the networks I want in the program
[04:05] <Guest477> which networks?
[04:05] <confused> shareaza is already proved working under wine in ubuntu even
[04:06] <confused> gnutella 1 and gnutella 2 networks (g1+g2) <3
[04:06] <Guest477> super, if you want to mess... let me try gift   it has gnutella support via a plugin
[04:06] <Guest477> and edonkey and all that too
[04:07] <Guest477> nope
[04:07] <Guest477> gift would be long winded
[04:07] <aeth> http://www.gnutella.com/connect/
[04:07] <confused> were you just talking to yourself? im confused ;0 lol
[04:07] <aeth> they have five clients listed their
[04:07] <Guest477> gtk gnutella works, please bear in mind i don't use them really
[04:07] <Guest477> i downloaded 1 song with gtk-gnutella
[04:08] <Guest477> no probs with it :)
[04:08] <coachJ> when clicking on a link and you are asked the question, what do you want Firefox to do with this file...To what Dir do I browse to find the program I want to use?
[04:09] <aeth> which program you after?
[04:09] <coachJ> media player
[04:09] <confused> well if shareaza doesnt work I guess I have to do just g1 networked programs
[04:09] <coachJ> a media player
[04:09] <aeth> any particular one?
[04:09] <aeth> ok
[04:09] <coachJ> no
[04:10] <coachJ> arnt all apps in the same dir?
[04:10] <aeth> most stuff is in /usr/bin
[04:10] <aeth> (of the sort you want)
[04:10] <coachJ> thks i'll try
[04:11] <aeth> if you type "which myapp" (where myapp is the program you're looking for) at the console then you will see where it is
[04:12] <aeth> e.g. "which noatun" returns /usr/bin/noatun on my machine
[04:13] <coachJ> wow it worked, got wmv's playing in KMplayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:13] <aeth> cool
[04:13] <Guest477> >ty aeth i will use that also :)
[04:13] <coachJ> thks
[04:13] <Guest477> g1 coach!
[04:14] <Guest477> :)
[04:14] <aeth> yw
[04:14] <coachJ> get the Win32 codecs
[04:14] <Guest477> i better get outta here or ill stay all day :)
[04:14] <aeth> hehe
[04:15] <Guest477> ty 4 ur help :)
[04:15] <coachJ> wives Hate that
[04:15] <Guest477> thank God Almighty im single :)
[04:15] <Guest477> ;)
[04:15] <aeth> fortunately I live with a she-geek :)
[04:15] <Guest477> have a great day! bya ~:>
[04:15] <aeth> we have side by side computers :P
[04:18] <aegeanlinux> aeth: poor thing ;)
[04:18] <aegeanlinux> is she smarter than you ?
[04:18] <aeth> about the same actually :)
[04:18] <aeth> and please don't pitty me... I wouldn't have it any other way :)
[04:21] <coachJ> Ok, one step closer to saying bye-bye to windoze!!!
[04:22] <aeth> hehe
[04:22] <coachJ> the community really needs to find a way to make getting info for things like easier!
[04:23] <aeth> I must confess... I still have windows, but I treat it like a playstation or something, nothing valuable on it, two partitions, one for the OS and on for the games I like
[04:23] <aeth> *one
[04:23] <coachJ> maybe expand the EasyUbuntu ubuntu
[04:23] <kbrooks> coachJ: ?
[04:23] <coachJ> I have a windoze machine but using it less and less
[04:24] <coachJ> I cant type
[04:24] <coachJ> yes
[04:24] <coachJ> kbrooks--what?
[04:25] <kbrooks> coachJ: expand EasyUbuntu how? btw, you can talk about it in #easyubuntu
[04:26] <coachJ> so that it gets a Linux machine to the functionality of a windows machine
[04:26] <Tommy2k4> how do i get xmms to auto go onto a certain desktop when i open it if it has no window border so i cant get into advanced app settings
[04:26] <coachJ> i don't know
[04:26] <kbrooks> coachJ: What minimum functionality should EasyUbuntu install when requested?
[04:27] <coachJ> well maybe add the win32 codecs for startes
[04:27] <kbrooks> coachJ: huh? EasyUbuntu has that
[04:27] <coachJ> it does?
[04:27] <kbrooks> coachJ: what makes you think it doesnt?
[04:27] <coachJ> im an idiot
[04:27] <Lynoure> :)
[04:27] <h3sp4wn> Is plf still down ?
[04:27] <h3sp4wn> It gets w32codecs from there right ?
[04:28] <raphael_> join /ubuntu-fr
[04:28] <kbrooks> h3sp4wn: no. but there are 404 errors still in 3.02.2
[04:28] <raphael_> ouupsss
[04:28] <aeth> lol
[04:28] <coachJ> for some reason it did work for me I just installed them maually
[04:28] <kbrooks> coachJ: how? package?
[04:29] <coachJ> went to the restricted formats page and follow directions
[04:29] <coachJ> copy paste
[04:30] <coachJ> ill have to look at easyubuntu again
[04:31] <aeth> right... I'm off... cya all
[04:32] <coachJ> kbrooks:If I already have some of the stuff that Easyubuntu installs installed, will it hurt to run Easy?
[04:33] <kbrooks> coachJ: lol no
[04:33] <coachJ> thks, glad I could give you a laugh
[04:35] <Tommy2k4> how do i get xmms to auto go onto a certain desktop when i open it if it has no window border so i cant get into advanced app settings
[04:36] <kbrooks> coachJ: however, EU doesnt detect manual installs (if you didnt use a package)
[04:37] <coachJ> k
[04:39] <freddirkse> hi all.  hoping someone can give me some quick advice regarding a gcc rollback.
[04:40] <freddirkse> I'm using a stock kernel.  I have gcc 3.4.6 installed now and I need gcc 3.4.5.  I use VMWare and it insists that you use the same gcc that your kernel was compiled with.  Not sure how to roll gcc back to 3.4.5....
[04:41] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Are you using breezy ?
[04:43] <freddirkse> no h3sp4wn, Dapper
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Your kernel wass compiled with 4.0 then
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Unless you compiled your own in which case just recompile it
[04:45] <freddirkse> ...it's an smp kernel: 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8-smp
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Well thats is a kernel for breezy
[04:45] <freddirkse> ...I don't see any updates to the SMP for amd64....
[04:46] <h3sp4wn> The normal k8 kernel supports smp
[04:46] <freddirkse> really!?  So if I upgrade to the most recent k8, I'll get both processors?  Do I need to do anything special, or will they just show up?
[04:48] <hardw1re> hmm i just installed unrar-free from the repos but still the unrar command doesnt work...
[04:50] <fabietto^> someone have a toshiba satellite A60 ? i have some problem with the toshiba acpi and toshiba modules
[04:51] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Nothing
[04:53] <freddirkse> great...downloading now. Thanks for the advice h3sp4wn!
[04:53] <mendred> hi does neone use d-link 502T router? have a problem..apt-get times out...
[04:55] <Tommy2k4`> well that took a turn for the worse
[04:56] <hardw1re> what do i need to install so then i can play .avi's ?
[04:57] <LjL> !tell hardw1re about restricted
[04:59] <hardw1re> <3 mplayer
[05:03] <Spiderman> where can i get the font "Comic Sans MS" for my openoffice
[05:05] <aegeanlinux> !pastebin
[05:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:06] <coachJ> why is this doing this---
[05:06] <coachJ> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main libdc1394-13 1.1.0-3
[05:06] <coachJ>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (146.137.96.7), connection timed out
[05:07] <aegeanlinux> does that to me too!
[05:07] <aegeanlinux> (in Firefox_
[05:07] <aegeanlinux> * )
[05:09] <coachJ> anyone?
[05:10] <elbarto> hello...someone knows how to fix the accent problem with spanish keyboards in KTouch??
[05:11] <BKaj> howdy, trying to figure out why kubuntu shuts down with a pile of disk errors ..it has to fsck , when booting backup
[05:12] <coachJ> what are PLF repos?
[05:12] <kbrooks> how do I install 7zip
[05:13] <kbrooks> coachJ:they provide
[05:13] <LjL> kbrooks: aptitude install p7zip
[05:13] <coachJ> i think easy ubuntu will install 7zip
[05:13] <coachJ> what do they provide?
[05:13] <kbrooks> coachJ: i dont want to use  it
[05:13] <Hawkwind> !plf
[05:13] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[05:13] <coachJ> k
[05:13] <kbrooks> coachJ: plf repos provide w32codecs
[05:13] <kbrooks> and so on
[05:14] <kbrooks> LjL: Package p7zip is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:15] <LjL> kbrooks: hm, i have it installed. do you have universe enabled?
[05:15] <aegeanlinux> !7z
[05:15] <LjL> !info p7zip
[05:15] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde)
[05:15] <ubotu> p7zip: 7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio. In repository universe, is optional. Version 4.30.dfsg-1 (dapper), package size 1413 kB, installed size 3784 kB
[05:15] <kbrooks> ah, LjL
[05:15] <kbrooks> I'llll add that. But how?
[05:15] <LjL> !universe
[05:15] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:15] <LjL> the second link has instructions
[05:16] <aegeanlinux> kbrooks: You understanding that?
[05:18] <kbrooks> aegeanlinux: Yes :-)
[05:18] <aegeanlinux> good ;)
[05:19] <reuben> anyone know what's up with the US package repos?
[05:19] <reuben> apt is timing out all over the place
[05:19] <aegeanlinux> reuben: maybe try changing to another mirror
[05:19] <aegeanlinux> or source or what ever **you's** call them
[05:19] <LjL> aegeanlinux, kbrooks: here Ark cannot open 7zip files unless p7zip itself is installed
[05:20] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Really? Mine doesn't need p7zip, unless I want to make a 7z file
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Do you think 7z is better than gz and bz2?
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ??
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ???
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ???
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ????
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ?????
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ??????
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ???????
[05:21] <Tm_T> aegeanlinux: never do that again
[05:22] <Tm_T> please behave
[05:22] <reuben> cool, found: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:22] <aegeanlinux> no one do what time does,
[05:25] <Jack12> hi
[05:26] <Jack12> who is into synchronisation with kontact ans sony ericsson mobiles?
[05:26] <Jack12> i just found the palm treo as working in the web
[05:27] <kbrooks> LjL: I addddded them, doesnt work
[05:28] <DA_> i currently have an amd64 system with dapper packages, is there a branch that has earlier version packages than dapper but will still work with amd64?
[05:32] <LouKall> hi
[05:32] <LouKall> i am a complete newb and i was wondering how i got things to print on my Dell 810 printer
[05:36] <LjL> aegeanlinux: it certainly compresses better than gzip, wouldn't know with respect to bzip2. kbrooks: have you done a sudo apt-get update?
[05:36] <LouKall> :l
[05:36] <coachJ> kbrooks
[05:36] <aegeanlinux> LjL: My Mum would compress better then gz
[05:36] <Gun_Smoke> looking to add weather to my desktop..
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> Gun_Smoke: Use a laptop and sit outside ?
[05:37] <coachJ> gun_smoke: Superkrumbe_liquid weather
[05:37] <Gun_Smoke> lol
[05:37] <LjL> Gun_Smoke: sudo aptitude install kweather
[05:38] <Healot> apt-get for god sake
[05:38] <coachJ> Gun_Smoke:SuperKrumba_liquid weather
[05:38] <LjL> Healot: why?
[05:38] <knapper> Help: I'm following a how to and in it it has 'exec gnome-session', what is the KDE equivalent to this?
[05:39] <kbrooks> ljl: i have fetched updates, but it didnt work
[05:39] <aegeanlinux> ummm kdeinit
[05:39] <LjL> kbrooks: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:40] <kbrooks> LjL: let me do in terminmal
[05:40] <knapper> What is the KDE equivalent to 'exec gnome-session'
[05:41] <aegeanlinux> knapper: kdeinit
[05:41] <kbrooks> knapper: kdeinit
[05:41] <coachJ> smoke did you get it?
[05:41] <knapper> ty
[05:41] <aegeanlinux> knapper: is anything wrong?
[05:41] <kbrooks> ljl:
[05:42] <aegeanlinux> wb Tommy2k4
[05:42] <kbrooks> 99% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (146.137.96.7)] 
[05:42] <kbrooks> LjL: ^
[05:42] <LjL> kbrooks: ?
[05:42] <knapper> aegeanlinux: nop
[05:42] <knapper> e
[05:42] <PokerFacePenguin> kbrooks: yeah, i am having probs with the repositories as well
[05:43] <coachJ> kbrooks: Now I see why you were so intrested in my view of Easy: I am reading your blog, it is a great app
[05:43] <aegeanlinux> knapper: OK, just making sure ;)
[05:43] <Tommy2k4> ty aegeanlinux
[05:43] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu just crashed again
[05:43] <LjL> kbrooks: your /etc/apt/sources.list file i what i wanted you to pastebin. but if you mean updating stops there, then perhaps you could just try different mirrors. someone was just saying that the US mirrors are misbehaving, again
[05:43] <kbrooks> are they down, PokerFacePenguin
[05:43] <CaBlGuY> mornin peeps..
[05:43] <PokerFacePenguin> kbrooks: not all of em, but they seem to be flakin
[05:44] <coachJ> yeah EasyUbuntu timed out because of the US mirrors
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> I was just gonna sak about the servers..    I tried an update and it timed out.
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> !flash 8
[05:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about flash 8 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:45] <CaBlGuY> !flash
[05:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:45] <Tommy2k4> after all this time ive only just realised theres no sound coming out of left speaker lol
[05:46] <coachJ> me too
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> so, whats goin on with the servers then?
[05:47] <bgrimm> I'm having a strange system time issue with Kubuntu on VM ware Workstation, the clock is slow, very slow, it drifts behind even after 6 or 7 minutes. Anybody had any similar problems?
[05:48] <Tommy2k4> where can i set speaker balance to make it play out of only 1 speaker
[05:48] <aegeanlinux> Tommy2k4: Kmix?
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> yea, that..
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> just open the mixer..
[05:49] <Tommy2k4> found it
[05:49] <aegeanlinux> ;)
[05:49] <Tommy2k4> was wondering what the bar at the bottom was lol
[05:49] <Tommy2k4> my left speaker is b0rked
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[05:49] <aegeanlinux> If that wan't an example of RTM
[05:49] <Tommy2k4> ;p
[05:50] <slayer> hi all
[05:50] <CaBlGuY> so, anyone any idea whats goin on with the servers??
[05:50] <aegeanlinux> slayer: welcome to #kubuntu - it's like #ubuntu in love with #kde that had a child that was 100x smarter
[05:51] <slayer> us.archive.ubuntu.com is not working, is there other servers I can use?
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> try eu.
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> au.
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> nl.
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> guesses
[05:51] <CaBlGuY> or,. just wait till it's back up..
[05:51] <CaBlGuY> :p
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> nl.archive.ubuntu.com works
[05:52] <aegeanlinux> no joke
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> if it's anywhere in the midwest, it may be a couple days cause of the storms..
[05:52] <kbrooks> what storms?
[05:52] <aegeanlinux> yeah ? what storms ?
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> kbrooks: you know, the storms that has left St. Louis with no power now for goin on 3 days.
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> :/
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> the whole midwest area..
[05:52] <kbrooks> CaBlGuY: i demand you give us a reliably proven source
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> actualy
[05:53] <slayer> really.. I guess I'm outta touch with the rest of the world :(
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[05:53] <aegeanlinux> I live in Australia mate, I don't hear what goes on some where else
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> ok ok..  hang on.  sheesh!
[05:53] <aegeanlinux> but, seriuosly slayer nl.archive.ubuntu.com works
[05:53] <slayer> yeah, made the change it looks to be working so far..
[05:54] <aegeanlinux> and so does au.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:54] <slayer> Thanks a bunch
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> herew ya go.
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/2006-07-20-st-louis-storms_x.htm
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> anything else ya need??
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> :)
[05:54] <slayer> a box of 100 dollar bills?
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> I'll take that as a no then...
[05:55] <slayer> hehe
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> ok, im off..  bbl
[05:55] <slayer> peace
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> lata
[05:56] <aegeanlinux> toodles CaBlGuY
[05:56] <slayer> nl is kinda slow, but that's 100% over the us server :)
[05:56] <aegeanlinux> :D
[05:59] <slayer> Fetched 2535kB in 3m45s (11.2kB/s)
[06:00] <aegeanlinux> Shite thats slow!
[06:01] <slayer> reminds me of the 2400bps days
[06:01] <LjL> err, if your 2400bps could do 11kB/s, then you definitely had quite a modem :)
[06:02] <slayer> hehe good point!
[06:08] <coachJ> does EasyUbuntu add to your sources or replace them?
[06:09] <coachJ> kbrooks: does EasyUbuntu add to your sources or replace them?
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> coachJ: Uses its own only specifically changes yours if asked to
[06:10] <Tommy2k4> ubuntu crashed twice in 5mins
[06:11] <coachJ> I see
[06:14] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: you kept moving the mouse i bet ? :)
[06:14] <aliasfred> well you should not :)
[06:15] <aliasfred> more seriously something is wrong somewhere, ubuntu is very stable here
[06:15] <LjL> here too, except when X decides to go rogue and start taking up all the RAM i have
[06:15] <LjL> or when some other program does
[06:15] <olrrai> hi
[06:15] <Tommy2k4> it flashes multicoloured lines then monitor gives the error freuqency out of range, 31khz/0hz
[06:16] <olrrai> kubuntu has hibernate option?
[06:16] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: this smell like graphic related issue, x driver - kernel stuff
[06:16] <Tommy2k4> any ideas
[06:17] <aliasfred> remove all the stuff one by one to replace them by 'safe choise'
[06:17] <aliasfred> once you got a stable system, reenable them
[06:17] <aliasfred> like run X in framebuffer
[06:17] <aliasfred> seems a good step in case of low level graphic issue
[06:18] <Tommy2k4> but it happens randomly after being booted up for hours usually
[06:18] <Tommy2k4> so even if i try a new solution ill never know if it worked until it crashes (or hopefully not)
[06:18] <aliasfred> if it doesnt freeze in framebuffer, it is another
[06:18] <aliasfred> try removing noapic nolapic acpi=off this kind of things
[06:18] <Tommy2k4> already tried them
[06:18] <aliasfred> remove the screen saver
[06:19] <Tommy2k4> none
[06:19] <Tommy2k4> power saving off
[06:19] <aliasfred> irqpoll ?
[06:19] <Tommy2k4> dunno that
[06:19] <olrrai> kubuntu has hibernate option?
[06:19] <aliasfred> ok paste "cat /proc/cmdline"
[06:20] <aliasfred> olrrai: yes somewhere :)
[06:20] <Tommy2k4> root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[06:21] <olrrai> when I shutdown the kubuntu kde ?
[06:21] <aliasfred> well i dont see all the 'safe cmdline option' there :)
[06:21] <olrrai> or install other packt?
[06:21] <aliasfred> i dont see the fb stuff either :)
[06:22] <rayblasdel> Wow, didn't expect so many people in the room. Any one else having problems connecting with the regular ubuntu repositories?
[06:22] <Tommy2k4> huh aliasfred
[06:23] <PokerFacePenguin> rayblasdel: yes on the repos
[06:23] <kbrooks> rayblasdel: everyone is
[06:23] <rayblasdel> ^.^ Well thats good to know.
[06:23] <Tommy2k4> hm my grub was overwrote sometime
[06:24] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: time to reenable then :)
[06:25] <Tommy2k4> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash noapic nolapic acpi=off
[06:25] <Tommy2k4> is hat right
[06:25] <Tommy2k4> that*
[06:25] <zarel> .....
[06:25] <zarel> How do I install a .package file?
[06:25] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: add 'irqpoll' at the end too
[06:25] <Tommy2k4> done
[06:26] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: and be sure to run this one :) /proc/cmdline give you the boot option used for 'this boot'
[06:26] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: then you may try to disable apm, to run in framebuffer etc... until you get a stable system
[06:26] <Tommy2k4> apm?
[06:27] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: some old version of acpi, aka stuff to put part of your computer to sleep to save energy
[06:27] <Tommy2k4> how would i disable it
[06:29] <aliasfred> dunno, maybe noapm, else google or ask other people :)
[06:29] <aliasfred> but you get the principle ?
[06:30] <aliasfred> disable until you get stable, then reenable one by one to findout what is unstable, then fix the unstable stuff :)_
[06:32] <pierreth> hello, how can i know the version of linux i am using?
[06:32] <aliasfred> uname -a
[06:32] <Tommy2k4> to whoever was helping me: kubuntu crashed again :( gives me a chance to try my new boot options though
[06:32] <aliasfred> or uname -r
[06:33] <aliasfred> pierreth: this is the kernel version
[06:33] <pierreth> aliasfred: is there many kinds of version?
[06:33] <ubuntu_> hmm
[06:34] <aliasfred> pierreth: yes, all programs got version too
[06:34] <aliasfred> pierreth: version, version everywhere :)
[06:34] <pierreth> aliasfred: yes, but about the systeme itself?
[06:35] <aliasfred> system version doesnt mean much :)
[06:35] <aliasfred> much = nothing :)
[06:35] <Tommy2k4> who was helping me i forget :(
[06:35] <aliasfred> what do you wanna know exactly
[06:35] <pierreth> aliasfred: do i have the 2.4 of 2.6
[06:35] <aliasfred> pierreth: ok this is the kernel version, and uname -r will give the one you are running
[06:35] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: i was i think
[06:35] <Tommy2k4> lol
[06:36] <Tommy2k4> whats that command to see what options im running
[06:36] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: "cat  /proc/cmdline"
[06:36] <Tommy2k4> root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash noapic nolapic acpi=off irqpoll
[06:36] <pierreth> aliasfred: i have 2.6
[06:36] <Healot> that the kernel entry
[06:37] <Tommy2k4> maybe coincidental but the past couple times its crashed i was using find-file in konqueror
[06:37] <pablo_> hello
[06:37] <pablo_> hello all
[06:37] <knapper> can anyone here help me with xgl/compiz?
[06:37] <Tommy2k4> !xgl
[06:37] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:37] <pablo_> i am having trouble with djview
[06:37] <pablo_> having trouble with djview, can anyone help me
[06:37] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: good thing, try to do many in a row to see what happen
[06:38] <pablo_> hello all, can anyone help me troubleshoot djview?
[06:39] <pablo_> hello all, can anyone help me troubleshoot djview?
[06:39] <Jack12> has someone experience with sony mobiles and ubuntu?
[06:39] <KaiHanari> pablo_, please dont repeat yourself so often
[06:40] <pablo_> kaihanari, ok thanks
[06:40] <Healot> hey geeks... what's up, nah I am just damn bored
[06:40] <pablo_> healot
[06:40] <lingenfr> ?
[06:40] <pablo_> i could use your help if you are bored
[06:41] <lingenfr> Is the ubuntu us repository down today?
[06:42] <dr_willis_> lingenfr,  the whole internet is lagged.. must be a new EverQuest2 update. :)
[06:42] <pablo_> anyone can help me with djview trouble?
[06:43] <Hawkwind> pablo_: Why not state your problems/errors then someone might be able to
[06:43] <lingenfr> Otay, us.archive.unbuntu.com is a no-go everything is pretty good
[06:43] <Hawkwind> pablo_: Just asking for help isn't going to get you any help
[06:43] <Tommy2k4> crashed again
[06:43] <pablo_> ok thanks i am new to this
[06:43] <Hawkwind> lingenfr: Just remove the us.  and it will work
[06:44] <pablo_> djview just crashes when i start it, but also restarts the whole x session, taking me to the login screen
[06:44] <pablo_> i have a console error log
[06:45] <pablo_> QT Warning: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device .... bla bla
[06:46] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: do try "find /" in a terminal
[06:46] <pablo_> and after that?
[06:47] <pablo_> because that's just going to give me the whole listing of my hd
[06:47] <Tommy2k4> aliasfred, i had it crash 4 times in a row when finding file from konqueror
[06:47] <Tommy2k4> then i closed all my apps and it didnt happen
[06:48] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: try the command
[06:48] <Tommy2k4> i did
[06:48] <Tommy2k4> its owrking fine
[06:48] <pablo_> djview crashes and restarts x session
[06:48] <pierreth> how can i mount the volumes that i am not seeing?
[06:48] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: ok do 'locate slota'
[06:49] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: btw this is good. now you know how to reproduce the issue
[06:49] <Tommy2k4> but its not happening anymore
[06:49] <pablo_> djview crashes at starts
[06:49] <Tommy2k4> which kind of means 1 of the apps i use everyday is causing it
[06:49] <Healot> !info djview
[06:49] <ubotu> djview: Viewer for the DjVu image format. In repository universe, is optional. Version 3.5.16-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 417 kB, installed size 1208 kB
[06:49] <Tommy2k4> locate slota does nothing
[06:49] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: ok try 'man -k slota' then
[06:50] <Tommy2k4> slota: nothing appropriate.
[06:50] <aliasfred> hmmm
[06:50] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[06:50] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:50] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: ok retry many search thru konqueror
[06:51] <naosv> !info quickcam
[06:51] <ubotu> Package quickcam does not exist in dapper
[06:52] <Healot> !quicke
[06:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about quicke - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:52] <Healot> !quickie
[06:52] <pablo_> thanks for your help pals
[06:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about quickie - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:00] <lingenfr> join #ubuntu
[07:00] <lingenfr> #join ubuntu
[07:00] <lingenfr> duh sorry
[07:00] <Tommy2k4> /join #ubuntu
[07:00] <Tm_T> hehe
[07:01] <Tm_T> lingenfr: well, you can't learn if you don't try ;)
[07:08] <Healot> damn #ubuntu bans torrers
[07:09] <Tm_T> ?
[07:09] <Tommy2k4> whered aliasfred go :(
[07:10] <ironfroggy> is there some way to tell if my laptop's hibernation facilities are failing? i have configured to hibernate when i close the lid, but often when i come back it seems to have either shutdown or not come out of hibernation properly.
[07:12] <z00m> greetings all =)
[07:12] <Healot> greeting, earthlings
[07:12] <hardw1re> :o
[07:12] <hardw1re> he must be talking to you
[07:14] <Ace2005> hey all
[07:14] <Ace2005> abattoir: hi i'm back again
[07:15] <Ace2005> abattoir:  Does the problem with XFS exsist with the alternative install CD?
[07:15] <z00m> anyone know how i can stop the smtp mail server on my box, i dont want anything open
[07:16] <abattoir> Ace2005: As i told you before, the problem is not w/ the installer, the problem is that GRUB and XFS dont like to live together
[07:16] <abattoir> Ace2005: in the alternate CD, you can avoid the problem by choosing lilo instead of GRUB
[07:16] <Ace2005> abattoir: oh yea i forgot that
[07:17] <gatekeeper> been saving this one for you z00m :-) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: You could try building a later version of grub
[07:17] <Ace2005> abattoir: does lilo have to have /boot in the first 1024 cylinders or something?
[07:17] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn: how do i do that?
[07:17] <Healot> not for the most recent LiLO
[07:18] <z00m> gatekeeper: thanks allot, really thankfull for remembering my problems ;)
[07:18] <abattoir> Ace2005: nope, lilo works in a different way
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: Read the documentation on the grub site - install build essential
[07:18] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: technically speaking, XFS should work with the grub version in dapper
[07:18] <gatekeeper> z00m: that's ok :-)
[07:18] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: but it doesnt
[07:18] <abattoir> !info grub
[07:18] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.97-1ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 353 kB, installed size 748 kB
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: Thats is what I thought but maybe it actually is fixed in the later version
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> !info grub edgy
[07:19] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 358 kB, installed size 760 kB
[07:19] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: How do I put my dhclient into booting so I don't have to type that command every time?
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> jhak88: I don't know what you are talking about
[07:19] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: i asked the devs, and they said it is better to stay clear of Grub and XFS because, even if it works, it is not reliable...
[07:19] <Ace2005> abattoir and h3sp4wn: so it should be ok if i just pick lilo right?
[07:20] <abattoir> Ace2005: yes, that should work
[07:20] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: Every time I want to set my wireless, I have to use this command: (sudo dhclient eth1)
[07:20] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: but I don't want to manually type them every time after I boot in order to use my internet
[07:20] <Ace2005> abattoir : so can i use custom images and stuff with lilo like on grub?
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> Jhak88: There is a bug with dhclient3
[07:21] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: so I can't put dhclient on the boot?
[07:21] <abattoir> Ace2005: sure... if you mean splash screens.... yes
[07:21] <Ace2005> abattoir: yea thats what i mean,
[07:21] <Ace2005> Thanks all, i'll try installing now, bye
[07:21] <abattoir> Ace2005: you can even have animated splash screens if you want :)
[07:21] <h3sp4wn> Jhak88: You set it up from /etc/network/interfaces - just adding pre-up sleep 5 or some such fixes it (or use a newer version of dhclient3
[07:22] <Ace2005> abattoir: wait a sec, so whats teh catch? if its so good ubuntu should be using it as default but it isn't
[07:22] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: (I'm using linux for first time) so how do I exactly do that??? O_O
[07:23] <abattoir> Ace2005: well, there are adv. and disadv. w/ both.. for eg., lilo doesnt work at all in my laptop, if i pass acpi cheatcodes, it works most of the time, but fails once in a bluemoon
[07:23] <abattoir> Ace2005: on the other hand GRUB just works fine
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: I would avoid xfs unless you have a really good reason for needing to use it
[07:23] <abattoir> Ace2005: so its difficult to say one is better than the other, but individual users of course have their own preferences
[07:24] <ubuntu_> hola a todos
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: The only filesystem with a worse track record than xfs for crashes recently is reiser4
[07:24] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn: i was trying to install to reiser4 before xfs :(
[07:24] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: indeed, but they are fast too arent they?
[07:25] <ubuntu_> tengo un problema con la instalacion de kubuntu 6.06
[07:25] <ubuntu_> en la etapa 5 no me muestra la particiones de mi disco
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: I use / - as reiser3
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: I think that is a reasonably safe compromise
[07:25] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: maybe in day to day tasks you may not notice... but when using heavy apps that do constant read/write, i've noticed them to be faster
[07:26] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn: the last time i used reiser3 it took ages to mount so i changed to ext3, why did you choose it?
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: reiser3 is faster then xfs for small files
[07:26] <ponce> hola mundo
[07:26] <ubuntu_> hola ponce
[07:26] <ubuntu_> podrias ayudarme?
[07:26] <ponce> buen dia
[07:26] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: the reason i dont use reiser 3 is when i shutdown the system improperly, the filesystem gets screwed... partition is trashed for me
[07:26] <Hawkwind> !es
[07:26] <ubuntu_> tengo un problema con la instalacion de kubuntu 6.06
[07:26] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:27] <ubuntu_> en la etapa 5 de la instalacion no se muestran la particiones de mi disco
[07:27] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: I heard that that happened but I do similar things and it hasn't happened to me yet (however /home is on another disk and ext3 so it is less important)
[07:27] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: hence i stick w/ XFS and reiser4. but then each of us have our preferences, dont we? :)
[07:27] <ubuntu_> thanks
[07:28] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: (I'm using linux for first time) so how do I exactly do that??? O_O
[07:28] <Healot> !migrating
[07:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about migrating - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:29] <Ace2005> !xfs
[07:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about xfs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:29] <Ace2005> !reiser4
[07:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about reiser4 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:29] <Ace2005> well thats just great
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> jhak88: I don't agree with people asking me things specifically by name when I have had no contact with them previously sorry (think its annoying)(
[07:30] <couquinoux> bonjour!
[07:30] <abattoir> !fr
[07:30] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:31] <Healot> vous probleme, couquinoux?
[07:31] <couquinoux> bonjour
[07:31] <couquinoux> oui moi probleme
[07:32] <couquinoux> je suis nouveau sur linux
[07:32] <couquinoux> depuis1h...
[07:32] <couquinoux> et j'essaie dsesprment d'installer xchat
[07:41] <Tommy2k4> i think i discovered the source of my crash
[07:46] <ponce> hola
[07:48] <Ace2005> Hey look what i found: reiser4 does full data journaling. full data journaling. Not even little writeback cheats like ext3 does. FULL data journaling!
[07:49] <Rahab> they need ZFS for ubuntu.
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: I know someone who has lost everything 4 times within 6 months using reiser4
[07:50] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn: where is the fun if you don't risk it?
[07:50] <Ace2005> mount /dev/hdxN /mnt/new -o noatime: what does the -o adn noatime mean?
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: I do risk alot of stuff - the kernel supports it - so you could install via debootstrap
[07:52] <Ace2005> whats debootstrap? google define shows nothing
[07:52] <Tommy2k4> i think the crash i keep getting where monitor says "frequency out of range 31khz/0hz" is something to do with media players / xine / alsa / whatever
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> !info debootstrap
[07:53] <ubotu> debootstrap: Bootstrap a basic Debian system. In repository main, is extra. Version 0.3.3.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 240 kB
[07:53] <Ace2005> doesn't help, what does it do?
[07:55] <Guest477> hello, are there any repos down right now?
[07:55] <Tommy2k4> us archives
[07:55] <Guest477> i am having trouble reinstalling java re
[07:55] <Tommy2k4> are down
[07:55] <Tommy2k4> or were
[07:55] <Guest477> ok
[07:56] <Ace2005> It would be cool to have !server-stats to see how the repos are, or a link on the homepage
[07:56] <Guest477> in you opinion will reinstalling java runtime install the plugin in firefox.. just installed firefor and of course jave is preinstalled in konquer
[07:56] <Guest477> which will not play java games at yahoo or pogo
[07:56] <Guest477> firefox :) not firefor
[07:57] <Guest477> ?
[07:57] <Guest477> tommy2k4 :)
[07:57] <ponce> i new in ubunto Ihave instaljava?
[07:58] <gnomefreak> !java
[07:58] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[07:58] <Guest477> yses thankl you :) i am farmilliar lol
[07:58] <Guest477> guess ill figure it out thank you :)
[07:59] <ponce> thanks
[08:00] <Ace2005> Ok thanks for the help, i'm off to just give it a go, for like the 5th time in two days, thanks for the help
[08:00] <Guest477> gl ace :)
[08:01] <Guest477> is there any way to play yahoo games in konqueror, as i can in firefox on this machine with ubuntu ?
[08:02] <MilhousePunkRock> When I suspend my laptop to RAM either with Fn-F4 or from the KPowersave menu, the "mouse" doesn't work any more when I wake it up again...
[08:04] <Guest477> usb mouse?
[08:04] <Guest477> or ps2
[08:04] <Guest477> <MilhousePunkRock
[08:05] <MilhousePunkRock> The TrackPoint of my IBM Laptop that is...
[08:05] <Guest477> uh oh, not sure of any very specifics, but i had problems on my dell latitude
[08:06] <Guest477> google mouse drift latitude and see what u think
[08:06] <KubuntuNoob> Can anyone help me out? I want to 100% Remove wine and wine installed programs from my computer.
[08:06] <Guest477> i recommend a diff pointi ng device if u can
[08:06] <KubuntuNoob> And I'm not sure how
[08:06] <Guest477> <MilhousePunkRock
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> I've been told it's an X Problem, Guest477
[08:06] <Guest477> true
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> The "Protocol" used in the xorg.conf is ImPS2
[08:07] <MilhousePunkRock> If I restart X it's fine again
[08:07] <KubuntuNoob>  As I said, Can anyone help me? I want to 100% Remove Wine and programs installed with it.  What is the command to do this?
[08:07] <MilhousePunkRock> I someone _can_ help you, someone will... No need to ask twice.
[08:08] <KubuntuNoob> kk
[08:08] <Guest477> KubuntuNoob > how did you setup wine in the beginning?
[08:08] <der_daniel> !nvidia
[08:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:08] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: sudo apt-get remove --purge wine   than you have to uninstall everything else one by one (if you mean the windows apps)
[08:08] <Guest477> kewl thanks gnomefreak :)
[08:08] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: just have to remove the .exe files
[08:09] <KubuntuNoob>  Alright, Purging wine thanks ^^
[08:09] <Hotwired> "/j #debian
[08:09] <KubuntuNoob>  It claims wine is not installed, I built from source; Is there a different way to remove it?
[08:11] <KubuntuNoob>  I downloaded the source off of source forge, did a apt-get for the build deps, did a ./configure, a make, and a make install.
[08:12] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: sudo dpkg -r
[08:12] <Tsed> KubuntuNoob: make uninstall should clear what was installed with make install.
[08:13] <KubuntuNoob>  Tsed: So I go into my wine source folder and make uninstall?
[08:13] <syke> hi
[08:13] <Tsed> KubuntuNoob: Yep.
[08:13] <syke> I am interested in funding some development for KUbuntu 6.10
[08:13] <syke> I sent an email to canonical, but never heard back
[08:13] <syke> can anyone suggest other ways I could do this?
[08:13] <Tsed> KubuntuNoob: Will probably need sudo, depending on where oyu installed to.
[08:14] <syke> I would like a paid support contract
[08:14] <KubuntuNoob>  Tsed: I'll put sudo in
[08:14] <CaBlGuY-away> servers fixed yet?
[08:15] <Dasnipa`> syke, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
[08:15] <Tsed> syke: Who did you email?  support@canonical.com?
[08:15] <syke> Dasnipa`: yes, that is how I contacted them before
[08:16] <syke> tsed: yes
[08:16] <syke> I got an RT tracking #, but it didn't do a lot of good :/
[08:16] <gnomefreak> its the weekend they are most likely at home
[08:16] <syke> I contacted them about 2 months ago now
[08:16] <gnomefreak> oh and can we move this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:16] <syke> er
[08:17] <syke> it's pretty on-topic, isn't it? I'd like to pay to get some bugs fixed :)
[08:18] <gnomefreak> syke: no
[08:18] <syke> weird
[08:18] <Dasnipa`> imo its ontopic
[08:18] <syke> what does 'kubuntu support channel' mean, then?
[08:18] <syke> I'm very confused
[08:19] <Dasnipa`> i think gnomefreak's suggestion can be safely ignored... your discussion is on-topic
[08:19] <gnomefreak> syke: no offerng to contribute money to ubuntu has nothing to do with kubuntu tech support
[08:19] <syke> Dasnipa`: ok :)
[08:19] <Dasnipa`> gnomefreak, paid tech support is what hes asking about
[08:19] <syke> for kubuntu, specifically
[08:19] <syke> as that is what I am running :)
[08:19] <gnomefreak> Dasnipa`: this channel has no paid tech support
[08:20] <gnomefreak> Dasnipa`: IRC has no paid tech support
[08:20] <syke> please let this not be like #debian :(
[08:20] <gnomefreak> syke: i asked you to move it to -offtopic please do so
[08:20] <syke> wait a minute
[08:21] <syke> your nick has 'gnome' in it
[08:21] <syke> isn't that off-topic for kubuntu, which is KDE-base? ;>
[08:21] <gnomefreak> syke: this channel is for sixing kubuntu issues
[08:21] <Lynoure> There is some elves around, too
[08:21] <gnomefreak> s/sixing/fixing
[08:21] <syke> great!
[08:21] <syke> I have issues that need fixing!
[08:21] <syke> like my wireless doesn't work on book
[08:21] <syke> or after resume
[08:22] <syke> I have to manually do the iwconfig and dhcp
[08:22] <gnomefreak> syke: thats ontopic but what you do with your money is not
[08:22] <syke> I really do not understand
[08:22] <syke> I like kubuntu and want it to succeed, I file meaningful bug reports and go through some lengths to make sure problems can be fixed
[08:23] <syke> in addition to wanting to fund the development of those fixes
[08:23] <KubuntuNoob>  All:  I need an opinion, I'm thinking of subscribing to transgaming to get Cedega, but is it worth it? As, I cannot manage to get WoW To run via wine.
[08:23] <syke> I have some bugs
[08:23] <syke> I'd like to see them fixed
[08:23] <Tsed> In any case, trying to get him in contact with the people he needs seems a bit more on topic than arguing over the details of something slightly off-topic. ;p
[08:23] <gnomefreak> syke: filing bugs fixing bugs is fine sponsering money is not <ends here>
[08:23] <syke> Kubuntu: my husband never had luck wine Cedega -- crashed quite a bit. CrossOver is more stable, but not game-oriented yet :/
[08:23] <syke> ok
[08:24] <Lynoure> hmm.
[08:24] <Dasnipa`> KubuntuNoob, pretty worth it... i use cedega and it works very nice plus you can drop the subscription ater 3 months and the product is yours
[08:24] <Tsed> KubuntuNoob: Check the Cedega site to see how well WoW works... and go from there.
[08:24] <syke> gnome: ok, thanks for reminding me that some thing never change in the debian community.
[08:24] <Tommy2k4> !xgl
[08:24] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:25] <syke> it's almost like someone got people together and thought
[08:25] <syke> "hey, let's figure out how to alienate users and be overly pedantic on things -- that will slow down the adoption of linux!"
[08:25] <Dasnipa`> KubuntuNoob, i also think there there is something on the ubuntu site about a wine package specifically for WoW
[08:26] <KubuntuNoob>  All: How often does Cedega get updated? Is it worth keeping a subscription after the 3 months?     Dasnipa: I tried it, it doesn't work for me
[08:27] <Dasnipa`> KubuntuNoob, cedega is updated rather often but if you arent playing the newest of the new games it shouldnt matter a ton. the transgaming acct allows you to vote on what features and game support they add
[08:30] <KubuntuNoob>  Dasnipa', I think I might get an account, Though, The idea of paying multiple monthly fees for WoW And Cedega is quite a pain
[08:31] <Dasnipa`> KubuntuNoob, cedega works thru worldpay which automatically renews your account until you specifically cancel it
[08:32] <KubuntuNoob>  I'll register an account later today likely than, I want to get back to WoW As I have a raid tonight = \
[08:32] <gnomefreak> wow runs on wine ;)
[08:33] <BluesKaj> !beerkoid
[08:33] <ubotu> I know nothing about beerkoid - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:33] <Tsed> Anyone know if compiz-kde is anywhere near usable yet? (or even if it's still being developed?)
[08:34] <gnomefreak> Tsed: its useable but pretty much unstable
[08:34] <KubuntuNoob>  Gnomefreak: If you're willing to help me get it to work that'd be great, but I tried earlier today based on a guide and it didn't work, the installer froze when I would click the install button
[08:34] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[08:34] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:34] <syke> anyone else having trouble connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.cIT'LL om
[08:35] <syke> ?
[08:35] <gnomefreak> syke: they are down
[08:35] <gnomefreak> !wow > KubuntuNoob
[08:35] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: ive only done it once adn that was to test something for someone
[08:37] <KubuntuNoob>  gnomefreak: I tried that guide, though, I guess I'll give it one more chance
[08:37] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: build wine is your best bet btw
[08:38] <Tsed> gnomefreak: Why bother?  Shouldn't the latest debs from winehq do the same thing?
[08:38] <KubuntuNoob>  gnomefreak: I DID build it last time, I'm trying downloading their prepatched WoW One now
[08:38] <Tsed> http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb < Like so?
[08:38] <gnomefreak> Tsed: i always buily it but they say it runs better if you build it
[08:40] <Tsed> Hmm.  I dunno, that seems kinda superstitious to me, but whatever floats your boat. :)
[08:40] <Tommy2k4> i think the crash i keep getting where monitor says "frequency out of range 31khz/0hz" is something to do with media players / xine / alsa / whatever
[08:41] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn and abattoir: hi again, the install went perfectly and everything is working ok
[08:41] <Ace2005> i used xfs in the end
[08:47] <Ace2005> Oh man i forgot how long it takes to get a fresh install up and running :(
[08:48] <KubuntuNoob>  All: World of warcraft is now installing, I had to let it stay at the vrozen screen for 6 mins.  The EULA Is appearing in symbols, I'll read it later ; )
[08:49] <Sarnuial> there's a Linux ver of Wow?
[08:49] <gnomefreak> !wow
[08:49] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[08:50] <Sarnuial> cool
[08:50] <Sarnuial> oh wait
[08:50] <Sarnuial> there's nothing there?
[08:51] <larson9999> google earth is kinda cool
[08:51] <Sarnuial> oh
[08:51] <Sarnuial> just had 2 wait for it to load...
[08:51] <Sarnuial> wow lots there
[08:51] <Sarnuial> !
[08:51] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:55] <|KOF|Panik> Does anyone know if the screensaver autostart for KDE has been fixed?
[08:56] <Tommy2k4> !xgl
[08:56] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:58] <Sarnuial> can i have some help getting my live cd to boot?
[08:58] <Sarnuial> i stick it into the machine i have prepaired
[08:58] <Sarnuial> and it gets as far as mounting root file system then stops
[08:59] <Sarnuial> i used f6 to get boot options
[08:59] <Sarnuial> and nuked "quiet" and "splash"
[08:59] <coachJ> is set to boot from the CD bios
[08:59] <Sarnuial> yes
[08:59] <Sarnuial> it boots up to mounting root file system
[08:59] <Sarnuial> and it seemes to be getting stopped at loading the usb
[08:59] <|KOF|Panik> Does anyone know if the screensaver autostart for KDE has been fixed?
[08:59] <Sarnuial> i tried debian-installer/probe/usb=false
[08:59] <Sarnuial> but it doesnt do anything :(
[09:00] <coachJ> did check to if the Cd was good (MD5 checksum)
[09:00] <Sarnuial> no i havnt
[09:00] <Sarnuial> but it works in another computer fine
[09:00] <coachJ> got to be the bios
[09:00] <coachJ> look there again
[09:00] <Sarnuial> so i should flash it to a newer version?
[09:00] <Sarnuial> because it boots the cd
[09:00] <coachJ> did say that,
[09:01] <Sarnuial> i get the casper boot menu
[09:01] <coachJ> anyone else help him?
[09:06] <Sarnuial> im off to flash my bios...
[09:06] <coachJ> good luck
[09:06] <Sarnuial> who do i blame if something goes wrong? ;)
[09:07] <coachJ> not I
[09:07] <Tm_T> me
[09:07] <Sarnuial> fortunatily the machine's an old pII
[09:07] <Sarnuial> so its not worth much if i kill it...
[09:07] <Tm_T> you can always blame me
[09:07] <Sarnuial> ok then :D
[09:07] <coachJ> look 4 u here ltr
[09:08] <Sarnuial> no
[09:08] <Sarnuial> ill still be on
[09:08] <Sarnuial> all the time
[09:08] <coachJ> k
[09:08] <Sarnuial> its not this machine im flashing...
[09:08] <Tm_T> damn
[09:08] <coachJ> haha
[09:08] <Tm_T> I mean, err, good to hear
[09:09] <Sarnuial> lol
[09:09] <Sarnuial> BSOD!
[09:09] <Sarnuial> ack!
[09:09] <Sarnuial> bad floppy...
[09:09] <Sarnuial> dangit
[09:09] <Tm_T> hehe
[09:11] <Sarnuial> i hate windoze...
[09:11] <BluesKaj> actually old machines are perfect for linux .
[09:11] <Sarnuial> yeah
[09:11] <Sarnuial> i know
[09:11] <Sarnuial> which is why im using this one
[09:11] <Sarnuial> i just meant
[09:11] <Sarnuial> that it wouldnt be my main machine
[09:11] <Sarnuial> i lost
[09:11] <Sarnuial> if the flash went badly
[09:12] <Sarnuial> the only thing im worried about
[09:12] <Sarnuial> is KDE + 400MHz + 128Mb RAM
[09:12] <Sarnuial> <_<
[09:12] <osiris> Sarnuial, im running kubuntu on exactly those specs
[09:12] <aztun> Sarnuial: xubuntu is great for that machine
[09:12] <Sarnuial> glad to hear that
[09:12] <Sarnuial> :phew:
[09:13] <KubuntuNOOB>  I have installed world of warcraft, and it runs.  Though, there is no sound.  And when I go to the audio tab in winecfg it crashes.  Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[09:15] <BluesKaj> the speed is fine, the memory may slow things doen some
[09:15] <BluesKaj> down
[09:16] <Sarnuial> brb
[09:17] <xtacocorex> anyone using konversation have problems with dcc?
[09:17] <coachJ> what is dcc?
[09:18] <xtacocorex> direct connect through irc
[09:18] <xtacocorex> coachJ: you have to be registered on freenode for it to work
[09:18] <coachJ> i see
[09:18] <andrew__> Hey does anyone know how to get rid of a quake4demo in linux?
[09:19] <BluesKaj> is it in the k-menu ?
[09:20] <andrew__> No I can't find it in there.
[09:20] <BluesKaj> desktop?
[09:21] <Sarnuial> flash in progress...
[09:21] <BluesKaj> andrew,you can use the kde menu editor / highlight the item/ edit/ delete/ save
[09:23] <markc_> wow, I just did a debootstrap edgy from a gentoo partition (of all things) and now I have what seems like quite a stable system... more stable (for me) than upgrading from dapper
[09:24] <Sarnuial> dangit, how many dud disks do i have?
[09:24] <Sarnuial> it cant read the sectors with the new bios on it...
[09:24] <Sarnuial> ugh.
[09:25] <andrew__> i tried it's not on the menu.
[09:26] <andrew__> it's not a really big deal but would like to know to unistall things
[09:26] <markc_> andrew__: deb packages ?
[09:27] <Sarnuial> gtg
[09:27] <cpk2> andrew__: how did you install it?
[09:27] <JonTec> Is it possible to bridge network connections in Dapper?
[09:27] <andrew__> it was the quake4 demo
[09:28] <bgrimm> Is everyone else still having trouble with the package servers? I just noticed I still hang in synaptic.
[09:28] <markc_> JonTec: bridge-utils ?
[09:28] <cpk2> andrew__: how did you install the demo?
[09:28] <crimsun> bgrimm: work fine here.
[09:29] <andrew__> it was a file that I sh in konsole
[09:29] <cpk2> andrew__: self installer?
[09:29] <bgrimm> hmm, are you accessing all servers? (one from universe I think was a problem for me)
[09:29] <crimsun> bgrimm: yes
[09:30] <andrew__> I think
[09:30] <cpk2> bgrimm: i just did apt-get update and universe was fine, looks like i am hanging on multiverse though
[09:30] <cpk2> andrew__: then see if there is an uninstall script
[09:31] <andrew__> ok
[09:31] <cpk2> if you installed it try doing make uninstall from the dir
[09:31] <cpk2> if you installed using make*
[09:31] <bgrimm> ex: I'm trying to install libterm-readline-gnu-perl (universe/perl) and I freeze waiting for headers.
[09:31] <bgrimm> Also fetching hangs at 99% likley from same prob.
[09:32] <cpk2> bgrimm: do "sudo apt-get update" that way you can see what its hanging on
[09:33] <bgrimm> ok, hangs on us.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:34] <markc_> bgrimm: try a "ping us.archive.ubuntu.com"
[09:35] <Tommy2k4> if i run konsole as a lower priority will it not freeze my pc when running make
[09:36] <bgrimm> ping goes thru, and resolves to correct IP from shell (146.137.96.15)
[09:36] <Tommy2k4> is it even possible
[09:36] <bgrimm> or at least same IP that apt-get update resolves to.
[09:37] <cpk2> Tommy2k4: does it freeze or are you just impatient with make?
[09:37] <Tommy2k4> it froze yesterday
[09:37] <Tommy2k4> had to press reset
[09:37] <cpk2> Tommy2k4: how much time did you give it?
[09:38] <Tommy2k4> ages
[09:38] <Tommy2k4> it completely froze, ctrl alt f6 wouldnt put it in terminal
[09:38] <Tommy2k4> that means its froze right
[09:39] <cpk2> Tommy2k4: sometimes it can take a long time to switch terminals if it has a large load
[09:39] <cpk2> i dont see how make would make linux lock up
[09:39] <Tommy2k4> me either it was onyl kbfx which is a small app
[09:39] <Tommy2k4> just a kicker aplet
[09:39] <Tommy2k4> applet*
[09:41] <cpk2> Tommy2k4: you have everything needed for it?
[09:41] <Tommy2k4> yep
[09:41] <Tommy2k4> its compiling now
[09:42] <bgrimm> apt-get still hangs @ 99% [connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (146.147.96.15)] , only thing I had done was enable all the repositories, which was working fine this morning.
[09:42] <markc_> ah cool, edgy has courier-mta v0.53.2... man I lost a lot of time trying to compile that on dapper, and a new kernel with make-kpkg
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> markc_: 2.6.17 on dapper is it a bit of a pain to get working properly
[09:43] <Tommy2k4> someone really should put in the topic that us.archive repo is down
[09:44] <Sarnuial> ib
[09:44] <Sarnuial> sorry about that
[09:44] <Sarnuial> my computer crashed when i tried a bad floppy...
[09:44] <Sarnuial> had to reboot
[09:44] <Sarnuial> anyway,
[09:44] <Sarnuial> the flash complete
[09:44] <Sarnuial> no change.
[09:44] <Sarnuial> its still freezing
[09:44] <markc_> h3sp4wn: yeah, it's probably okay if you roll a dedicated kernel but I could not get make-kpgk to give me w working initrd
[09:44] <Sarnuial> on the bright side, the kernel uncompresses much faster!
[09:45] <bgrimm> Tommy2k4, is there a mirror/alternate that can be used instead of us.archive? (thanks for the update, yes should be in topic)
[09:45] <Sarnuial> so what now?
[09:45] <Tommy2k4> i heard nl works
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> markc_: Its not because of some changes with udev (I have had it working before though) using edgy now though however anyway
[09:45] <Tommy2k4> dunno what other mirrors there are but all apart from us should be working
[09:45] <Sarnuial> gtg
[09:46] <Sarnuial> be back later
[09:46] <Tommy2k4> gb/uk maybe
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:47] <assasukasse> hi all
[09:47] <assasukasse> if i install deb packages on kubuntu would i break it? since the package in ubuntu repo is outdated
[09:48] <markc_> h3sp4wn: heh, I've installed gentoo and archlinux trying to get a decent and current system... this debootstrap edgy has been the smoothest ride so far, even better than installing from a dapper livecd and upgrading
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> markc_: Thats is how I installed it also (and I have had very few problems) but people dist-upgrading from dapper seem to have more issues
[09:49] <markc_> archlinux is the only system with apache 2.2.2
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> markc_: freebsd 6.1 has it ?
[09:50] <stas> whats going on
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> markc_: I would always build apache from source anyway
[09:51] <LouKall> hey.
[09:51] <LouKall> i was wondering how to install VLC
[09:52] <markc_> h3sp4wn: yes... that's why I was so spurprised I had such a smooth ride doing a debootstrap edgy... totally sweet, nothing hiccup'd
[09:52] <LouKall> anybody got any help?
[09:52] <stas> Guys, are there any good alternatives to cedega to run games on linux
[09:53] <aeth> cedega is about the best... for running windows games
[09:53] <stas> anything that is second best?
[09:54] <z00m> how do i change the size of my folders in KDE kubuntu
[09:54] <z00m> they are MASSIVE to the eye !!! lol
[09:54] <GlassCasket> I just tried installing Kubuntu, but it didn't ask me anything questions regarding Grub. :\
[09:55] <apokryphos-> z00m: same place as most kde configurations, go to system settings
[09:55] <markc_> z00m: the icons ? ... control center -> Appearance & Themes -> Icons -> Advanced
[09:56] <LouKall> mir
[09:56] <JonTec> oh, sorry. I forgot completely that I was on IRC.
[09:56] <JonTec> so bridge-utils? where?
[09:56] <z00m> markc_ whats the terminal name for control center
[09:56] <z00m> its not in my programs list
[09:56] <markc_> z00m: kcontrol
[09:56] <GlassCasket> I just tried installing Kubuntu, but it didn't ask me anything questions regarding Grub. How come?
[09:57] <markc_> GlassCasket: perhaps it just dropped in your mba at the root of your drive
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> markc_: I wasn't that surprised not much has changed from debian unstable which my laptop has (because dapper was so slow on it)
[09:58] <GlassCasket> markc_: It should have asked first. Because when I isntalled Kubuntu 5.10, it said it found XP and asked me if I wanted to install Grub.
[09:59] <markc_> GlassCasket: maybe it found XP and just added it anyway ?
[09:59] <ace_> GlassCasket: Did you install from the desktop install CD or the alternative install CD, the alternative install CD has the old installer which asked me if the only other os was XP
[09:59] <z00m> markc_: just done that but they are still the same size
[09:59] <markc_> GlassCasket: oic, you mean you wanted the option to keep the XP boot system
[10:00] <GlassCasket> markc_: I booted from my three drives and got Grub Error 17 on my Kubuntu drive. :\
[10:00] <ace_> GlassCasket: Nope i mean that it uses the old installer which i like, you can't boot linux from the windows boot system
[10:00] <markc_> z00m: I just changed mine from 32 to 64 and it definitely worked here
[10:01] <ace_> GlassCasket: The text based one said it detected windows xp but the Desktop CD did not
[10:01] <z00m> markc_: yes sorry, my bad i just noticed that it has changed the size on the desktop :P
[10:01] <z00m> i need to select the others
[10:02] <ace_> My desktop install cd crased right when it got to partitioning, and the only time it made it past it the installer crashed
[10:02] <GlassCasket> ace_: I thought the desktop instalation was supposed to be better, lol. ;)
[10:02] <ace_> ok i mean the only time i got past it the installer crashed when installing grub
[10:03] <ace_> GlassCasket: not better
[10:03] <ace_> GlassCasket: just easier
[10:03] <GlassCasket> ace_: Oh ok, I'm not a linux beginner so I'm downloading the alternate CD right now.
[10:03] <z00m> markc_: its changed them on the desktop but not in my home folder
[10:04] <ace_> GlassCasket: why didn't the other install go well?
[10:04] <GlassCasket> ace_: I"m guessing the only difference between the dekstop and alternate isntaller is that there isnt a GUI?
[10:04] <GlassCasket> ace_: Because when I boot my Kubuntu hardrive, I get grub error 17
[10:04] <markc_> z00m: that's odd, if I open up a folder icon on the desktop the icons are the same size as the larger desktop ones
[10:06] <ace_> sorry everyone i've got to go, my mum wants me to clean my room, GlassCasket you might want to ask abattoir he helped me with partitioning and grub for the past two days
[10:06] <z00m> they changed the size on the desktop folders but not in the home directory
[10:06] <ace_> bye :)
[10:07] <GlassCasket> In the desktop installer, if Kubuntu found another OS, it would have asked me if I wanted to install Grub to the mbr, right?
[10:09] <mar> hola
[10:09] <mar> buenas noches
[10:12] <z00m> is it possible to write files to a USB fat32 harddrive in linux ?
[10:13] <simian__> it's so frustrating when you get to a page like this http://tv.arsenal.com/default.aspx?p=channels/C3_S3&a=8141      and it says you os is not supported
[10:14] <MuJ> isn't it?
[10:14] <simian__> i'm not that bothered is i can't use all the features that the page offers, what bothers me is that the developers made it os specific
[10:15] <tmdx120> is yahoo down for anyone else?
[10:15] <markc_> hmm, how do I get my soundcard modules into /etc/modutils.d so an update-modules build a modules.conf, or whatever it is these dyas ?
[10:16] <simian__> tmdx120: yes it appears to be
[10:16] <MuJ> simian__: you can always make your browser identify itself on other os
[10:16] <MuJ> at least you can make konqueror do so
[10:16] <simian__> MuJ: yeah i will try that
[10:17] <markc_> doh, there in /etc/modprobe.d
[10:17] <MuJ> though then it will whine about active x :/
[10:17] <tmdx120> simian: thanks
[10:17] <tmdx120> naive newbie question. What is vim used for?
[10:18] <MuJ> text editor
[10:18] <GlassCasket> In the desktop installer, if Kubuntu found another OS, it would have asked me if I wanted to install Grub to the mbr, right?
[10:18] <simian__> tmdx120: command line text editor
[10:18] <tmdx120> MuJ: what kind of text?
[10:18] <MuJ> plain text
[10:18] <tmdx120> can I use it as a wordprocessor? script editor?
[10:18] <josh___> haay
[10:18] <josh___> whats up
[10:19] <simian__> tmdx120: yes
[10:19] <Chillaxed> i need to know how to install firefox
[10:19] <Chillaxed> i can't find the page
[10:19] <tmdx120> can I get latex functionality from Vim?
[10:19] <simian__> GlassCasket: i've never used the desktop installer
[10:19] <Chillaxed> oh ok
[10:20] <Chillaxed> anyone know how to use firefox?
[10:20] <Chillaxed> i mean install
[10:20] <tmdx120> ??
[10:20] <markc_> Chillaxed: just install firefox... from a shell "apt-get install firefox"
[10:20] <simian__> Chillaxed: type this at the command line     sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:20] <markc_> ah yes, with a prepended sudo
[10:21] <GlassCasket> simian_: You used the alternate CD?
[10:21] <Chillaxed> no
[10:21] <Chillaxed> deskto
[10:21] <Chillaxed> desktop
[10:21] <tmdx120> sorry guess it was a stupid question
[10:22] <simian__> GlassCasket: no i upgraded from breezy but i would be surprised if ubutu's latest installers didn't detect other os's
[10:22] <Chillaxed> is it possible to play musicfrom my window's partition?
[10:22] <GlassCasket> simian_: It didn't detect my XP
[10:23] <Chillaxed> damn...
[10:23] <markc_> Chillaxed: sure, but you have to mount it first..
[10:23] <GlassCasket> Yes
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: vim-latexsuite
[10:23] <Chillaxed> well a fixmbr usually fixes that anyways
[10:23] <simian__> GlassCasket: i'm suprised
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: (almost certainly you can but I have no idea at all how to do it)
[10:24] <Chillaxed> ok how do i mount it?
[10:24] <Chillaxed> i'd lke to play music from my windows partition
[10:24] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: howdy.
[10:24] <GlassCasket> Chillaxed: Make a new directory, then do mount /new/directory/name /dev/hd*
[10:25] <GlassCasket> Chillaxed: sudo mkdir /mnt/music /dev/hd*
[10:25] <GlassCasket> nono
[10:25] <GlassCasket> lol
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: hi
[10:25] <GlassCasket> sudo mkdir /mnt/music
[10:25] <Tommy2k4> anyone use kbfx?/
[10:25] <Chillaxed> ok so type in sudo mkdir /mnt/music?
[10:25] <GlassCasket> mount /dev/hd* /mnt/music
[10:26] <GlassCasket> Chillaed: Yes.
[10:26] <Chillaxed> k which one lol make sure u type it in right
[10:26] <Chillaxed> the one i typed in?
[10:26] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: just apt-get that package?
[10:26] <Chillaxed> and then that should let me play music from other partition?
[10:26] <GlassCasket> Yeah, mkdir /mnt/music
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: yep but as I say I have no idea how to use it
[10:26] <GlassCasket> Well, what drive is your music in?
[10:27] <Chillaxed> ok i typed it in
[10:27] <Chillaxed> and it asked for a password
[10:27] <Chillaxed> i typed it in
[10:27] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: thats MY problem!  LOL!
[10:27] <Chillaxed> is it done now?
[10:27] <GlassCasket> Type in your password
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: have you run vimtutor (probably best to learn the basics of vim from that before you start trying to introduce more things to the mix)
[10:28] <Chillaxed> oh shit
[10:29] <Chillaxed> now i need to run it as a root
[10:29] <Chillaxed> there we go
[10:29] <GlassCasket> Do, sudo mkdir /mnt/music
[10:29] <GlassCasket> You can replace music what what you want though.
[10:29] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: yup, im gettingup to speed now.
[10:29] <Chillaxed> ok how do i do that
[10:29] <Chillaxed> run as root
[10:29] <GlassCasket> Chillaed: You don't needn to run as root, just use sudo
[10:30] <Chillaxed> oh ok
[10:30] <GlassCasket> Is the directory created now?
[10:30] <Chillaxed> well i'm downloading a shit load of updates right now
[10:30] <Chillaxed> with adept user
[10:30] <Chillaxed> adept updater*
[10:30] <GlassCasket> Ok
[10:30] <Chillaxed> should i update?
[10:30] <GlassCasket> But is the new directory created?
[10:30] <GlassCasket> Yeah, you should. But mounting shouldnt have any effects
[10:31] <Chillaxed> k how do i use sudo then
[10:31] <Chillaxed> in order to run as root
[10:31] <gnomefreak> Chillaxed: sudo -i
[10:31] <GlassCasket> Type in 'sudo mkdir /mnt/music' (without the braquets)
[10:31] <Chillaxed> nono not for music
[10:31] <Chillaxed> to install nvidia drivers as root
[10:32] <Chillaxed> i just wanna create a root account
[10:32] <Chillaxed> thats what i did on suse
[10:32] <GlassCasket> One thing at a time, lol.
[10:32] <Chillaxed> yeah
[10:32] <Chillaxed> i know
[10:32] <Chillaxed> i rush too much
[10:32] <markc_> Chillaxed: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:32] <GlassCasket> Kubuntu won't let you I believe as it's not necessary and safe
[10:34] <cpk2> Chillaxed: if you want to actually log in as root in a terminal do su -
[10:34] <Chillaxed> oh ok
[10:35] <markc_> is a 2nd alsa device called "hw:1" ?
[10:35] <markc_> or, how do I refer to my 2nd sound card ?
[10:35] <gnomefreak> cpk2: sudo -i
[10:35] <will> !ati
[10:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:36] <markc_> !alsa
[10:36] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:36] <Chillaxed> ok wow wtf.
[10:36] <cpk2> gnomefreak: doesnt su - work too?
[10:36] <Chillaxed> i got an error saying i don'thave a directory installed
[10:36] <gnomefreak> cpk2: not by default
[10:36] <gnomefreak> cpk2: you have to set it to work and is not recommended in ubuntu
[10:37] <GlassCasket> I think that doing sudo passwd will let you change the root password. ;)
[10:37] <gnomefreak> GlassCasket: that will let you change the sudo password
[10:37] <GlassCasket> Ah, so it's not the root password
[10:38] <cpk2> so is us.archive.ubuntu.com going to be up anytime soon?
[10:38] <Chillaxed> i do not have the package "binutils" installed
[10:38] <Chillaxed> what now
[10:38] <gnomefreak> cpk2: i doubt it
[10:38] <gnomefreak> cpk2: take the "us." out of repos if you want a simple command i can give you it
[10:39] <cpk2> i guess i can jsut use australia, is it au or aus?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> cpk2: to remove the "us." type sudo sed -e `s/us\.//` -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:40] <cpk2> gnomefreak: but i would still like to run apt-get
[10:40] <gnomefreak> cpk2: why go around the world
[10:40] <gnomefreak> cpk2: you run update after wards
[10:40] <cpk2> and the us security one works
[10:40] <fatejudger> !samba
[10:40] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:40] <gnomefreak> cpk2: without a country code the us defaults to uk
[10:40] <gnomefreak> cpk2: uk is main server iirc
[10:41] <grizzly> !gpg
[10:41] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[10:41] <grizzly> now the above guide caters to creating gpg keys, I want to know howto fix my gpg keys
[10:42] <gnomefreak> anyone happen to have a tar. for konsole laying around?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> grizzly: cant fix what we dont know
[10:42] <grizzly> as I am getting errors with apt-get update
[10:42] <gnomefreak> grizzly: thats not you
[10:42] <gnomefreak> grizzly: what repo is erroring?
[10:42] <grizzly> sry, 403 Forbidden
[10:42] <grizzly> Failed to fetch http://dagobah.ucc.asn.au/ubuntu-suspend2/dapper/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden
[10:42] <cpk2> gnomefreak: that line doesnt work i will just delete it all by hand
[10:42] <gnomefreak> grizzly: theres a good reason
[10:43] <gnomefreak> cpk2: the line doesnt output nothing
[10:43] <cpk2> gnomefreak: if you are interested it says sed: no input files
[10:43] <grizzly> gnomefreak: which reason?
[10:43] <grizzly> I guess the 403 forbidden == screwed gpg keys. right?
[10:43] <gnomefreak> grizzly: that is an un-official repo and not recommended to be used in ubuntu as it can break things (and you have to go to wher eyou got it for the gpg key of the maintainer
[10:44] <grizzly> Exactly , I want a howto for handling these gpg keys of the maintainer
[10:44] <gnomefreak> grizzly: it should tell you wher eyou got the repo
[10:44] <gnomefreak> how to get it
[10:45] <gnomefreak> grizzly: i dont have a clue who maintains that one
[10:49] <gnomefreak> rraphink: got a sec?
[10:50] <LouKall> hey.
[10:50] <LouKall> what do i use to open .cue and .bin files
[10:50] <LouKall> its a dvd.
[10:51] <gnomefreak> LouKall: bin = sh file.bin   cue= never heard of
[10:51] <LouKall> thanks!
[10:51] <LouKall> hopefully that works.
[11:07] <glatzee> Hi, after upgrading to kde 3.5.3, I cant login anymore. KDM kicks me back to the login screen whenever I try to login. Anyone know why?
[11:09] <cpk2> glatzee: can you log in at terminal?
[11:09] <Philip5> glatzee: if you stay in the kdm for a minute does the keyboard freeze?
[11:10] <glatzee> cpk2: Yes, I'm using the terminal right now.
[11:10] <glatzee> Philip5: I haven't tried that, should it matter?
[11:11] <zeus> help connetc
[11:11] <zeus> help connect
[11:11] <zeus> ouch
[11:11] <Philip5> glatzee: well i had that trouble too... but in my case i found a error in kdmrc
[11:11] <glatzee> Philip5: Okey, I don't know anything about that, all I did was upgrade kde with jriddells official rep and there goes
[11:12] <Philip5> glatzee: i think kdm and maybe kdmrc is the crook in your case
[11:12] <Philip5> but i'm about to go out so i hope someone else can help you
[11:13] <glatzee> Philip5: Alright Thanks anyway :-)
[11:13] <glatzee> Anyone can help me with KDM and kdmrc?
[11:13] <Philip5> you got a hint anyway :)
[11:15] <slow-motion> n8
[11:16] <glatzee> Anyone?
[11:16] <ironfroggy>  is there something i can have to monitor the status of my wireless connection?
[11:17] <Philip5> glatzee: read here for starters and see if there is any help in it: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseNotes/Kubuntu/UpgradeProblems?highlight=%28kdm%29%7C%28problem%29  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems?highlight=%28kdm%29%7C%28problem%29  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHoaryReleaseKnownProblems?highlight=%28kdm%29%7C%28problem%29
[11:18] <aldo> Hi to all! I am installing on Ubuntu a copy of VMware Server. It ask to me where the C header files are. Where can I find them?
[11:18] <Bazzi> install them.
[11:19] <Bazzi> "sudo aptitude install linux-kernel-headers linux-source build-essential" for vmware
[11:20] <aldo> Bazzi: thx :)
[11:20] <Bazzi> you're welcome
[11:20] <jontec> I'm having a problem with apt-get
[11:20] <jontec> us.archive.ubuntu.com gets to 99% and stops.
[11:21] <totoro_home> same here
[11:21] <jontec> in both Adept and Konsole
[11:21] <Bazzi> try ca.archive.ubuntu.com or anything else near you :)
[11:21] <gatekeeper> I think us mirrors are having problems
[11:21] <gnomefreak> jontec: take the "us." out of the repos
[11:21] <jontec> okay
[11:22] <jontec> how do I stop Konsole from updating?
[11:22] <gatekeeper> is there a repo status page anywhere folks?
[11:22] <Bazzi> jontec: ctrl+c
[11:22] <jontec> thanks.
[11:24] <cpk2> gatekeeper: just delete the us from all the repos
[11:25] <jontec> delete us or change to another state?
[11:25] <jontec> like from us. to ca.?
[11:26] <gatekeeper> cpk2: I don't use the us ones, but just woundered if there was a status page anywhere like you get with your ISP, if there isn't may there should be
[11:26] <gatekeeper> jontec: yes
[11:26] <cpk2> gatekeeper: oh ok, thought you might be using the US ones since they arent up apparently
[11:28] <gatekeeper> cpk2: that's ok :-) poor users seem have to find out the hard way which doesn't seem to be very clever
[11:28] <jontec> how can I find out which mirrors are close to me (or does it not matter?) is there a mirror in every state?
[11:29] <z00m> is echo 0 /proc/sys/kernel/randomi a bad command to run whats it do ?
[11:29] <z00m> someone just told me to run it
[11:31] <will> !wow
[11:31] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[11:32] <||Trayer||> Does anyone here have WoW working under Wine?  Mine will launch, but, when the character normally appears on screen my game freezes.  (Ex I can move for about 3 seconds than it freezes)
[11:32] <Bazzi> ||Trayer|| what wine version?
[11:33] <||Trayer||>  Bazzi: The "wowpatched" version available on the official ubuntu site
[11:33] <Bazzi> hm...
[11:33] <||Trayer||>  Bazzi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[11:33] <Bazzi> I'd have just pointed you there ;)
[11:34] <Bazzi> if you wouldn't have used that
[11:34] <Bazzi> but since you do, i cannot help you further
[11:34] <||Trayer||>  Bazzi: I here sound, I log in fine, It's in OpenGL mode, Vision is all great, it's when it tries to load the character model the game freezes.  I was thinking Mabey a WINE setting in grapchis if theres a shader or something on the character freezing it?
[11:35] <||Trayer||>  Bazzi: Nevermind, The section loaded this time.  Last time the other half of the page didn't load.  I think there might be a solution here
[11:35] <Bazzi> :)
[11:37] <bgrimm> I've got a dual boot XP and Slackware machine with lilo bootloader, is it "safe" to overwrite the slackware part with the LiveCD install and let it write grub for bootloader?
[11:38] <||Trayer||>  Bazzi: Alright, time to test.  If I leave the channel it's a crash.  It will not crash in D3D Mode, So, I'm going to disable all shaders first then launch in opengl in safe graphics.  Brb
[11:45] <markc_> bgrimm: I did a laptop recently that had XP on it, the livecd succesfully resized XP, installed kubuntu, and gave me a dual boot machine
[11:46] <bgrimm> that's my plan as well, except I have an existing slack install. I'm trying to let it format and use that existing ext3 partition and the existing swap part that I have setup. and let grub overwrite the existing lilo loader I use.
[11:48] <markc_> bgrimm: yep, fine... should be no problem... well, the installer is ornery in some situations, but generally works
[11:49] <markc_> bgrimm: when you get to the qparted screen, just go to the next one and diddle the dropdown menus the way you want... obviously select manual partitioning before the qparted screen
[11:50] <bgrimm> yeah, that is what I was working on, but its being a bit stubborn on resizing an existing ext3 partition.
[11:50] <rlj> i've had some issues on my somewhat new laptop with bad blocks on my reiserfs partition, reiserfsck would segfault on an attempt to fix the partition, so i decided to backup all data and do a reinstall, this time with ext3
[11:51] <rlj> now, i just created the ext3 partition and ran mke2fs with -c -c so it did a destructive test with 4 write patterns across the entire disk
[11:52] <LouKall> how do i get around this hinderance?
[11:52] <LouKall> LouKall@loukall-laptop:~/Desktop$ sh Donnie Darko (The Directors Cut) DVDRip KVCD by Dev (A TUS RELEASE).bin
[11:52] <LouKall> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[11:52] <rlj> in my /var/log/messages from the livecd, i did not see any drive errors during this process (as i saw during all previous badblocks runs), so i am wondering if the drive suddenly decided (on write, not read) to relocate the blocks
[11:52] <markc_> rlj: you can use "badblocks" to check and fix low level block errors
[11:52] <bLaZeD> lol LouKall wth is that?
[11:52] <markc_> oops, right
[11:52] <crimsun> LouKall: '(', ')', and ' ' are significant to the shell
[11:52] <rlj> so if so, i wonder if i can read out the list of bad blocks from the newly created ext3 fs to see if it is empty, thus indicating that the bad blocks have in fact been relocated
[11:53] <crimsun> LouKall: so you need to quote the entire filename
[11:53] <LouKall> how do you mean?
[11:53] <rlj> and if so, i will (after a e2fsck -c -c) be pretty confident with the status of the disk for now, and will continue with installation of kubuntu again
[11:53] <LouKall> example?
[11:53] <crimsun> LouKall: e.g., 'Donnie Darko (The Directors Cut) DVDRip KVCD by Dev (A TUS RELEASE).bin'
[11:53] <LouKall> okay.
[11:53] <LouKall> thank you very much.
[11:53] <bLaZeD> LouKall, is there a second file ending in cue?
[11:53] <LouKall> yeah.
[11:53] <rlj> so what i'm asking is really if there's a way to get the list of bad blocks currently stored in the fs, as debugreiserfs -B does
[11:53] <LouKall> how do i use that one?
[11:54] <bLaZeD> LouKall, u most defiantly dont use sh on it
[11:54] <bLaZeD> LouKall, vcdgear....
[11:54] <LouKall> dangit.
[11:54] <LouKall> haha.
[11:54] <rlj> or will no ext2/3 utilities give me some sort of indication on the current list of bad blocks...?
[11:54] <cpk2> rlj: normally if you start getting bad blocks it means impending death for the HD
[11:55] <bLaZeD> LouKall, vcdgear will take thoese 2 files and turn them into a watchable video file
[11:55] <cpk2> rlj: you look into SMART?
[11:55] <rlj> well, the drive is not very old so i surely hope that is not the case
[11:55] <rlj> have not looked at S.M.A.R.T. status on the disk, no
[11:55] <rlj> anyway
[11:55] <LouKall> wheres it at.
[11:55] <rlj> from what i've read
[11:55] <LouKall> cause its not in adept
[11:55] <markc_> rlj: doesn't badblocks -o file store a list of bad blocks... kinda the same thing except you need to run it over the disk first
[11:55] <rlj> modern disks do relocation automatically on writes
[11:55] <bLaZeD> LouKall, no its not... u have to google it and dl it
[11:56] <LouKall> okey.
[11:56] <cpk2> rlj: SMART is pretty reliable
[11:56] <rlj> well, i guess so. i just think it would be nice (since my mke2fs ran for a few hours and after all performed a badblocks -w for me) to see if it did find any bad blocks during that run
[11:56] <rlj> cause if it didn't
[11:56] <rlj> that means the drive has finally decided to relocate the bad blocks and i'm good to go
[11:56] <jontec> okay, so does anyone know how to use bridge-utils. I finally got it installed
[11:56] <rlj> i'm pretty sure they appeared by
[11:57] <jhak88> anyone: anyone have idea for installing flash 8 player?
[11:57] <rlj> *by the way due to a sudden fall approx  metre to the floor.. :/ (laptop)
[11:57] <LouKall> jhak: hint, make sure you have your dirs right.
[11:57] <rlj> also, (haven't confirmed this yet), according to some site i viewed, the maxtor disks in hp laptops are generally "grade b" drives, i.e. not very high quality
[11:58] <rlj> i'm just trying to avoid buying a completely new laptop drive right now if this will manage to survive a bit longer
[11:58] <markc_> jontec: no idea but dpkg -L bridge-utils and start poking around might help
[11:58] <jontec> jhak88: sudo apt-get install flash-plugin-nonfree
[11:58] <rlj> and if it does indeed decide on dying very soon, so be it. i will do a few e2fsck -c from now on to be safe once in a while
[11:58] <rlj> or even -c -c
[11:58] <jhak88> jontec: thankies!
[11:58] <jontec> jhak88: sudo update-flashplugin
[11:59] <jontec> makes sure you do the second command as well
[11:59] <cpk2> rlj: dropped it? =\ ouch, you know if you do tune2fs -C 99 it will do a fsck on the next reboot?
[11:59] <jontec> markc_: okay, I'll see ^_^
[11:59] <jhak88> jontec: the package cannot be found
[11:59] <LouKall> where do i install VCD? in my libraries?
[12:00] <rlj> cpk2: well, i see no big need to mess with tune2fs right now as i will monitor the drive's condition manually for a while to see if it indeed degrades (i.e. new bad blocks appear)
[12:00] <markc_> flashplugin-nonfree
[12:00] <cpk2> rlj: also i think SMART _might_ tell you how much the HD has moved
[12:01] <LouKall> where do i extract the VCD file to?
[12:01] <sensei> http://pastebin.ca/96400  Am I missing something really embarassing, or is that really weird?
[12:01] <jontec> did you do it in Konsole? and are you using the us mirrors?
[12:01] <jontec> jhak88:did you do it in Konsole? and are you using the us mirrors?
[12:02] <LouKall> i just downloaded it to my home folder
[12:02] <rlj> anyway, since i've already backed up all content and made a fresh new ext3 using -c -c, meaning it did a destructive read/write test 4 times with different patterns  (and i saw no drive errors in syslog this time), i'm just starting to wonder whether the writes caused by my previous manual badblocks -c -c, caused the disk to relocate the bad blocks, as opposed to just reads causing it to give errors. according to net sources, drives norm
[12:02] <rlj> ad so that would explain the behavious
[12:02] <sensei> It only fails with echo.. I can create and edit files with any editor
[12:02] <DaSkreech> Where can I find out about Xen and Vanderpool?
[12:02] <cpk2> sensei: you dont get sudo after the > is why
[12:02] <jontec> jhak88:don't use the us mirrors, I get it in Adept
[12:02] <jhak88> jontec: I'm doing this via Adept manager
[12:02] <rlj> anyway, it would be nice to know whether it is possible at all to read out the currently stored list of bad blocks from a ext2/3 fs :)
[12:02] <cpk2> sensei: try this "sudo -i"
[12:02] <cpk2> and then do the same command
[12:03] <jontec> jhak88: go to Manage Repositories
[12:03] <jhak88> jontec: and yes I found the package and installing via Adept Manager
[12:03] <sensei> cpk2: Same thing
[12:03] <LjL> sensei: redirections (i.e. "<" and ">") are performed by the shell itself, not by the command. so your redirection is performed run as root, because it's not sudo that's doing it, but the shell.
[12:03] <DaSkreech> sensei: Can you sudo echo?
[12:03] <LjL> sensei: you can do things like  sudo -c sh "echo blah >somewhere"
[12:04] <sensei> Hu.. had no idea about this
[12:04] <LjL> sensei: and, as cpk2 said, you can use "sudo -i" or "sudo -s", but you need to press Enter after doing that, and *then* type commands
[12:04] <jontec> jhak88: so do you still have errors/problems?
[12:04] <sensei> Then again, never used sudo to any greater extent :)
[12:05] <cpk2> sensei: sudo -i should log you in as root
[12:05] <rlj> and if i can't get that info from the fs, i will do an e2fsck -c -c on the fs (or badblocks -c -c with correct blocksize to be sure the results are actually echoed in the terminal! don't know how e2fsck behaves on this subject) and keep a close eye on the syslog to see if the drive pukes..
[12:05] <rlj> does this seem like a sensible idea?
[12:05] <sensei> cpk2: Ah yeah, I just did sudo -i <command> :P
[12:05] <cpk2> after you do sudo -i your terminal should be roo@localhost
[12:05] <sensei> Yeah
[12:05] <cpk2> root*
[12:05] <rlj> and maybe have a look at some s.m.a.r.t. prog. any suggestions? read about smartmon-something on sourceforge today. would that do the job?
[12:05] <jhak88> jontec: is setting flash-plugin takes this long?
[12:05] <sensei> Ah learned something new today then, cheers
[12:05] <LouKall> how do i install this VCDGear
[12:06] <jontec> jhak88:what do you mean? lol
[12:06] <cpk2> sensei: just make sure you log out of root in that terminal when you are done with echo
[12:06] <LjL> rlj: smartmontools.
[12:06] <rlj> LjL: thanks, yeah that was it
[12:06] <LouKall> what file is it that i need to install with exactly?
[12:06] <sensei> cpk2: Yeah, because root is soo evil
[12:06] <jhak88> jontec: Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (7.0.63.3ubuntu3) ... <-- the installation is "paused" at there
[12:06] <LouKall> none of them are bins
[12:06] <rlj> will apt-get that here in the livecd kubuntu session then and see if it can get me some info
[12:06] <rlj> thanks for the help anyway
[12:07] <cpk2> sensei: no, just nice to know when you are doing things as root
[12:07] <jontec> jhak88: how long have you given it?
[12:07] <LjL> rlj: do install that, and then run "smartctl -H /dev/hdwhatever" for a general "yes"/"no" answer on your drive's state, or use "smartctl -A /dev/whatever" to have detailed info, or read the man page. with that package also comes "smartd", which is a daemon that can automatically keep an eye on SMART attribute changes.
[12:07] <jhak88> jontec: Um.... I'm not sure, but that message is there for like... 10min
[12:07] <rlj> will check with smartmontools first, then do a badblocks -b 4096 -c -c and keep an eye on syslog. that should be the best thing for now
[12:07] <LouKall> can anyone give me a hint?
[12:07] <cpk2> sensei: back when i had a root login i had the roots desktop background be "you are f***ing root" =P
[12:07] <sensei> cpk2: Actually, I'm celebrating my tenth anniversary with linux, so I'm quite aware of that :)