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| troy_s | wtf... no topic? | 01:07 |
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| kwwii | moin | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | moins kwwii | 06:56 |
| kwwii | howdy imbrandon | 06:56 |
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| Guitarhero | Hey I just joined on the Launchpad page | 07:24 |
| kwwii | Guitarhero: cool | 07:27 |
| Guitarhero | I was just wondering if there was any way I could help out | 07:28 |
| Guitarhero | I dont know where all the objectives are in their development | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | Guitarhero: you follow the mailing list at all ? | 07:30 |
| Guitarhero | no i just signed on the launch pad page, im gonna sign up for the mailing list now, should I just wait for that? | 07:31 |
| Guitarhero | alright im on the mailing list | 07:33 |
| kwwii | Guitarhero: check the wiki page as well | 07:34 |
| kwwii | between the wiki, the mailing list and this channel you will find pretty much all the info you need | 07:34 |
| Guitarhero | yeah I was lookin at the wiki | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | yup, a good place to start would be to look at the recient ML archives | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | it has alot of info | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | err ok | 07:35 |
| kwwii | hehe, he ran away | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | lol , most do, just not that fast | 07:36 |
| imbrandon | haha | 07:36 |
| kwwii | lol | 07:36 |
| kwwii | the archive scared him | 07:36 |
| kwwii | or perhaps the wiki | 07:36 |
| troy_s | naw... we got him on the mailing list now! | 08:12 |
| troy_s | lol | 08:12 |
| troy_s | he's hooked. | 08:12 |
| troy_s | all of the loud folks have deactivated their launchpad memberships, membership is thriving, and we have a good energy going forwards. | 08:12 |
| troy_s | it's all good. | 08:12 |
| kwwii | hehe | 08:13 |
| kwwii | troy_s: is that the correct wiki page you pointed to in your mail? | 08:31 |
| troy_s | for what? | 08:31 |
| troy_s | launchpad? | 08:31 |
| troy_s | should be. | 08:31 |
| troy_s | i hope it is :) | 08:31 |
| kwwii | 75 Launchpad Members! | 08:31 |
| kwwii | Right now, we are currently sitting in the Proposal phase, | 08:31 |
| kwwii | so we welcome all work that is along the style given on the | 08:31 |
| kwwii | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42585 | 08:31 |
| kwwii | wiki page. | 08:31 |
| troy_s | grr | 08:31 |
| troy_s | nope | 08:31 |
| troy_s | wrong | 08:31 |
| troy_s | FECK | 08:31 |
| kwwii | I thought I should say something before you wake up in the morning with a lot of stupid questions | 08:32 |
| troy_s | feck | 08:33 |
| troy_s | thanks | 08:33 |
| troy_s | weird paste action happened there. | 08:34 |
| troy_s | oh well. | 08:34 |
| troy_s | errata mail sent out. | 08:34 |
| kwwii | no prob :-) | 08:35 |
| kwwii | I think I will make myself breakfast now...bbl | 08:35 |
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| mhb | hello everyone | 04:53 |
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| troy_s | Who_, how you doing? | 05:19 |
| troy_s | mhb, good to have you back | 05:19 |
| troy_s | bloody split lost the topic again | 05:19 |
| troy_s | grr. | 05:19 |
| Who_ | troy_s: well, just about to 'cast the net' a bit wider to gett Blubuntu contributers - making a forum post and blogging it | 05:20 |
| troy_s | ahh... | 05:20 |
| Who_ | http://whosdabbling.blogspot.com/2006/07/ubuntu-some-like-it-blue-your-help.html | 05:20 |
| troy_s | i really think you need a guiding motif to elevate the blubuntu to something greater. | 05:20 |
| Who_ | any comments? | 05:20 |
| troy_s | i really like your systematic approach | 05:21 |
| troy_s | i think it will be a very good process for future development | 05:21 |
| Who_ | cool, that Blubuntu theme page could actually be quite good for any other theme teams that want to use it, too | 05:21 |
| troy_s | whoa... | 05:22 |
| troy_s | shuttleworth blogged about it. | 05:22 |
| Who_ | I was wondering if you can paste the line you use in imagemagik to make the contact sheets - i want to make a script | 05:22 |
| troy_s | very simple... | 05:22 |
| troy_s | let me do a bit of explaining first. | 05:22 |
| Who_ | troy_s: yea not my theme, the art team :) you got a nice mention too | 05:22 |
| troy_s | the command is montage | 05:23 |
| troy_s | -tile has TWO purposes | 05:23 |
| troy_s | the one we want is just a value | 05:23 |
| troy_s | for width by height | 05:23 |
| Who_ | okie | 05:23 |
| Who_ | thanks | 05:25 |
| troy_s | hold | 05:26 |
| troy_s | not finished | 05:26 |
| troy_s | had to look somethign up | 05:26 |
| Who_ | do you think it is fair to say that the theme team process 'has the blessing' of sabdfl? | 05:26 |
| troy_s | i know it does... | 05:26 |
| troy_s | hold on. | 05:26 |
| Who_ | oh, okay, still listening :) | 05:26 |
| Who_ | so I can say that in my forum post... | 05:26 |
| Who_ | is this a fiar description (I am worried about misadvertising): You can join a project by the Ubuntu-Art team (with Mark Shuttleworth's blessing) to develop a slick, clean, consistent blue theme to be included in Edgy. We want your contributions NOW. The theme will only be included if it is perfect, distinctive + there is space on the CD - see article for how we can make it so good they will _make space_ for it | 05:30 |
| troy_s | ok | 05:33 |
| troy_s | so ... back to helping you | 05:33 |
| troy_s | sorry... had to do something | 05:33 |
| troy_s | -tile will give you geometry -- for example, to do four colums you would put -tile 4 | 05:34 |
| troy_s | (which is what i use) | 05:34 |
| troy_s | you there Who_ | 05:34 |
| troy_s | another useful command is -label | 05:34 |
| troy_s | which you can format | 05:34 |
| troy_s | i just use the file names | 05:34 |
| troy_s | -label %f | 05:34 |
| troy_s | will label each image with the filename | 05:34 |
| troy_s | -geometry is the underlying geometry of each image... | 05:34 |
| troy_s | so | 05:34 |
| troy_s | if you do -geometry 260 | 05:35 |
| troy_s | each contact sheet thumbnail will have its width scaled to 260 | 05:35 |
| troy_s | you can force height, but if your images are off, they will scale improperly | 05:35 |
| troy_s | -frame will create an outline... looks like a slide and you can control all sorts of things like colour, font, etc. | 05:35 |
| troy_s | -frame 1 puts a nice simple 1 pixel border sep | 05:36 |
| troy_s | soooooooooooooooo | 05:36 |
| Who_ | troy_s: sorry, had to do something too :P | 05:36 |
| Who_ | I'm just catching up | 05:36 |
| troy_s | montage -tile 4 -geometry 260 -frame 1 -label %f -monitor my*images.jpg contact_sheet.jpg | 05:36 |
| troy_s | the -monitor gives you progress indicators | 05:36 |
| troy_s | the 'theme teams' are approved by mark shuttleworth | 05:37 |
| troy_s | i would try to avoid implying that 'only blubuntu' is blessed :) | 05:37 |
| troy_s | just a semantic wording issue | 05:37 |
| Who_ | yea, true. | 05:38 |
| troy_s | imagemagick is deadly powerful | 05:38 |
| troy_s | just so you know... the online docs are very good too | 05:38 |
| troy_s | www.imagemagick.org | 05:38 |
| Who_ | thanks | 05:38 |
| troy_s | now you know | 05:38 |
| Who_ | I used it for some stuff the other night and was impressed | 05:38 |
| troy_s | you can help me contact sheet all the stuffs :) | 05:38 |
| troy_s | so what would you think is a guiding principle for blubuntu? any motifs/ | 05:39 |
| troy_s | ? | 05:39 |
| Who_ | troy_s; not yet - that is what I was working on last night | 05:39 |
| Who_ | tory_s: I didn't get much that I liked :P | 05:39 |
| troy_s | great | 05:39 |
| troy_s | yes it isn't easy | 05:39 |
| troy_s | motifs are tricky | 05:39 |
| troy_s | you can really learn a lot by studying art / movies for good motifs and how they work wonderfully | 05:40 |
| troy_s | some elevate the motifs to metaphorical instances... | 05:40 |
| Who_ | I was trying (and this is waht I liked best) the idea of a small 'puddle' (I.E Large droplet) of water on a smooth surface, but didn't have much success rendering it in Inkscape | 05:40 |
| troy_s | yes... i am a fan of that style of ripple | 05:40 |
| troy_s | blobby gentle ripples | 05:40 |
| Who_ | but I think the idea could look soo nice if it was consistendly done | 05:41 |
| troy_s | yes. | 05:41 |
| Who_ | can you do them in Inkscape? | 05:41 |
| troy_s | i think you need to try to wrap that idea | 05:41 |
| troy_s | inkscape rocks. | 05:41 |
| Who_ | wrap? | 05:41 |
| troy_s | i think you need to wrap the visual cues | 05:41 |
| troy_s | with some sort of semantic clue | 05:41 |
| troy_s | the reason being, is that when you get 'stuck' you have an ideology to fall back on | 05:41 |
| troy_s | with me? | 05:41 |
| Who_ | yea, I am since the last statement... | 05:42 |
| troy_s | it gives you one set of 'screening devices' to figure out relevant content | 05:42 |
| Who_ | (I.E that makde things clear) | 05:42 |
| troy_s | yes, you can quickly go 'that is great work, but it doesn't really 'fit' with 'peace / freedom / flow/ foobar' | 05:42 |
| troy_s | it helps you sculpt the work | 05:42 |
| troy_s | and makes the process faster when you need inspiration for a given icon / etc. | 05:43 |
| Who_ | well, any ideas what I can wrap my spilled water in :P? | 05:43 |
| troy_s | the puddle idea is sort of a layer of abstraction on top of that. | 05:43 |
| troy_s | it isn't easy... once you find it though, you will pretty much know it... | 05:44 |
| troy_s | i would suggest doing a few things: | 05:44 |
| troy_s | A) get a good cheap photo reference book (phaidon's has several) | 05:44 |
| troy_s | B) get a good cheap art reference book (phaidon's has several - as does taschen) | 05:44 |
| troy_s | flip through them | 05:44 |
| troy_s | and see what some artists have done, and perhaps build on what they were trying to embody | 05:44 |
| troy_s | there are a few good collections of print media too... they are great for going with a given 'style' regarding historical genres | 05:45 |
| troy_s | because if you hit the ground running and start producing, one generally errors on the following: | 05:45 |
| troy_s | A) if the creative output is good, it will 'wander' and decrease cohesion | 05:46 |
| troy_s | B) you will hit a wall going 'i can't puddle a logout icon!' | 05:46 |
| troy_s | etc. | 05:46 |
| troy_s | and more deeply than that, you can quickly get others up to speed by having them read your preamble. | 05:46 |
| troy_s | aka paper trail :) | 05:46 |
| Who_ | wow! | 05:47 |
| Who_ | that's a lot of info :) | 05:47 |
| troy_s | consider it a treatment before you go out and write a novel or a script. | 05:48 |
| troy_s | or even a little more low level than that... a sort of fundamental framework. | 05:48 |
| troy_s | a lot of people have _very_ complex creative 'sensors' -- like when you look at a picture or watch a movie | 05:48 |
| troy_s | when they say 'i don't like it' it is a basic statement that they have hit some of those triggers that something is violating their complex and refined sensors. | 05:49 |
| Who_ | so have you got any ideas for Blubuntu? | 05:49 |
| troy_s | yes i have a few | 05:49 |
| troy_s | i'll email you them... | 05:49 |
| Who_ | cool :) | 05:49 |
| troy_s | i need to do some serious work on it first though, like flog through some of my art reference works... | 05:50 |
| troy_s | try to get something fresh... | 05:50 |
| troy_s | right now, i have a glut of updates to hit on the wiki | 05:50 |
| troy_s | and try to clean them up | 05:50 |
| Who_ | yea, actually, it's about time I did some more work for Human! | 05:50 |
| troy_s | probably establish four good wiki pages with a summary link for the contact sheets etc. | 05:50 |
| troy_s | yep | 05:50 |
| troy_s | don't worry too much about hitting edgy | 05:50 |
| troy_s | personally, to make a really pro theme, i would say that a team would need at least two cycles to get a mockup going | 05:51 |
| troy_s | that 'works' | 05:51 |
| Who_ | (do you have a suspicion that the space won't allow it anyway?) | 05:51 |
| troy_s | otherwise it is a kludge. | 05:51 |
| troy_s | yes. | 05:51 |
| troy_s | until frank and daniel get how to remove ALL the legacy gnome crap | 05:51 |
| troy_s | and extra gnome theme crap this | 05:51 |
| troy_s | out | 05:51 |
| troy_s | (which is a technological migration issue -- how to resolve a users system if they are using some of that information etc) | 05:52 |
| troy_s | i think space will be at a premium | 05:52 |
| Who_ | I do really want to get something out ofr review for edgy, and I want it to to be good - as much as anything to prove that I can get something produced in this framework and that I can meet the deadlines | 05:52 |
| Who_ | which is admittedly, not going to yield the most kickass theme we could possible have made it, but we have future release cycles to hone them | 05:53 |
| Who_ | If this was for Dapper (I.E an LTS release) I may not take that view, but for Edgy, I think shipping a bloody good theme that can still be improved on is okay | 05:55 |
| andreasn | what legacy gnome crap? | 05:55 |
| Who_ | I 'legacy gnome crap' refers to the stuff in gnome-themes... | 05:56 |
| andreasn | the themes in gnome-themes? | 05:57 |
| andreasn | crap is a bit harsh eh, we're doing as good work as we can refreshing those | 05:58 |
| Who_ | not my words :P | 06:00 |
| mhb | andreasn: it's "sincerity weekend" now in Ubuntu Artwork Team :o) | 06:00 |
| mhb | andreasn: (it's just a joke) | 06:00 |
| andreasn | :) | 06:00 |
| mhb | andreasn: if you read the ML from yesterday you would understand it better :o) | 06:01 |
| andreasn | so much noise on the ml that I can't keep up with everything :( | 06:01 |
| mhb | andreasn: some other theme was critisized very badly | 06:02 |
| andreasn | what was the subject? | 06:03 |
| Who_ | Domething about Tropic | 06:03 |
| Who_ | Tropic beta 1 released, I think | 06:04 |
| Who_ | I think it was criticised very 'well' - I.E sensitively and constructively | 06:04 |
| mhb | andreasn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Tropic | 06:04 |
| mhb | Who_: well | 06:05 |
| Who_ | mhb:? | 06:05 |
| mhb | Who_: well, you could say that | 06:05 |
| Who_ | :P | 06:06 |
| Who_ | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Help_to_ensure_Ubuntu_Edgy_has_a_slick_blue_theme_installed_automatically | 06:09 |
| Who_ | you could digg that if you want to avoid the need to criticise me well/badly over Blubuntu :P | 06:10 |
| mhb | Who_: I called yesterday "sincerity day" here on the chat but it seems it continues :o) | 06:12 |
| mhb | Who_: some people reacted "not as constructively" on the ML yesterday like you did | 06:14 |
| troy_s | on tt-tropic? | 06:14 |
| Who_ | perhaps I haven't read them all yet - hold on | 06:14 |
| mhb | troy_s: yep | 06:14 |
| troy_s | big email folks, please take the time to read and get some views to the thread, the info is important. | 06:15 |
| troy_s | i have tt-tropic filtered... | 06:15 |
| troy_s | no time. | 06:15 |
| troy_s | hopefully it wasn't too bad. | 06:15 |
| Who_ | will do. How 'bout digging the Blubuntu article in return ;) | 06:16 |
| mhb | troy_s: well, I was suprised that the negative reactions came so late | 06:16 |
| troy_s | missed that. | 06:16 |
| troy_s | who_ yep... i always gravitate to structure. | 06:16 |
| troy_s | more structure, the more i participate. | 06:16 |
| troy_s | but we might want some folks with talent too :) | 06:17 |
| troy_s | as opposed to hacks like me. | 06:17 |
| troy_s | the folks who participate in irc are probably the 'height' of actives... we need those lurkers. | 06:17 |
| Who_ | troy_s: can you try not to break the links (to the Blubuntu page) I just spread as far and wide as I possibly could :S | 06:18 |
| troy_s | yes | 06:18 |
| troy_s | i always try to avoid breaking links. | 06:18 |
| troy_s | i will probably just try to keep a separate area out of 'incoming' | 06:18 |
| mhb | Who_: done. Happier? :o) | 06:24 |
| Who_ | sure am :) | 06:24 |
| mhb | Who_: 2 still isn't much :o) | 06:27 |
| Who_ | lol, yea, I don't think it is likely to take off, but it was worth a try :) | 06:28 |
| mhb | Who_: but maybe if all these people voted for this... | 06:31 |
| mhb | Who_: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Down_with_Brown_-_Changing_Login_Splash_Screen_on_Ubuntu_Dapper_Drake | 06:31 |
| Who_ | mhb: it was seeing that on the front page that made me think that maybe I could get some diggs | 06:32 |
| mhb | Who_: it's interesting that so many people think the Ubuntu theme is not that good | 06:33 |
| mhb | the brown colour, to be exact | 06:33 |
| Who_ | mhb: I think it really does grow on you | 06:33 |
| Who_ | I see a lot of things these days and think - wow! I wouldn't want to _use_ that | 06:33 |
| Who_ | not so much with brown though | 06:34 |
| Who_ | troy_s: I did you a reply | 06:36 |
| mhb | see you later, boys | 06:37 |
| troy_s | Who_, the brown thing is merely implementation. and it is new -- and as a 'general' rule, people don't know how to feel with new so they tend to 'react' to it. | 06:50 |
| Who_ | inee | 06:50 |
| Who_ | *indeed | 06:51 |
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| Who_ | troy_s: I'm trying to use montage here but it is screwing my images over | 09:10 |
| Who_ | just using | 09:10 |
| Who_ | montage -tile 1 *Theme.png Themes.png | 09:11 |
| Who_ | all I want ois for the images to get stacked on top of each other! | 09:11 |
| troy_s | Who_, you still here? | 09:20 |
| troy_s | whooooosy | 09:20 |
| troy_s | what do you mean by stacked? | 09:20 |
| Who_ | troy_s: yea | 09:20 |
| troy_s | etc. | 09:21 |
| troy_s | you want a collage approach? | 09:21 |
| Who_ | It isn't the montage command | 09:21 |
| troy_s | or in a single line? | 09:21 |
| Who_ | it is the crop one that I used before hand, it seems | 09:21 |
| troy_s | what is the issue? | 09:21 |
| troy_s | ahh... | 09:21 |
| troy_s | yep... montage is pretty darn reliable. | 09:21 |
| troy_s | i encourage you to read the doc page for some of the specific params. | 09:21 |
| Who_ | troy_s: yea, that's what I've been doing | 09:22 |
| Who_ | I want to crop the top right hand corner | 09:22 |
| Who_ | I used convert Screenshot*.png -crop 280x54+1000+0 small.png | 09:23 |
| Who_ | but that creates an image 280x54 pixels with the cropped bit offset, which isn't what I wanted - I wanted the cropping to start offset (which it does) but in the final image I wanted an offset of 0 | 09:25 |
| Who_ | which is why they make repage :D | 09:27 |
| Who_ | (add +repage to the options) | 09:27 |
| troy_s | yep | 09:30 |
| troy_s | like i said, it is a pretty damn powerful suite. | 09:30 |
| troy_s | Who_, you get it sorted? | 09:35 |
| Who_ | troy_s: yea, repage did it | 09:35 |
| troy_s | great | 09:35 |
| troy_s | ! | 09:35 |
| troy_s | must shower and go buy movie tickets for my daughter. | 09:35 |
| troy_s | keep me up to speed! | 09:35 |
| troy_s | i want to see a mail with everything you have done okie? | 09:35 |
| troy_s | danke. | 09:35 |
| Who_ | troy_s: but not before i'd choppe 5 screenshots into tiles of 270x54 | 09:35 |
| Who_ | which took a while :P | 09:35 |
| Who_ | oops | 09:36 |
| troy_s | lol | 09:36 |
| troy_s | yah... i did that cropping and was completely in the dark | 09:36 |
| troy_s | it is pretty easy because once you learn it, it behaves the same in ALL of the tools. | 09:36 |
| troy_s | which is nice | 09:36 |
| Who_ | I used repage but didn't add an offset...bad idea | 09:36 |
| troy_s | the only tricky one is the -tile doesn't tell you about tiling images :) | 09:36 |
| troy_s | it does on the expansive doc, but not the initial one for montage | 09:36 |
| Who_ | troy_s: everything I have done today, or a while back | 09:36 |
| troy_s | Who_, how about a summary of what you are working towards? | 09:37 |
| troy_s | with links? | 09:37 |
| troy_s | or something akin to that? | 09:37 |
| troy_s | so that i haven't missed anything | 09:37 |
| troy_s | etc. | 09:37 |
| troy_s | plus all your new lovely legwork you are putting in of course. | 09:37 |
| Who_ | troy_s: Okay, I will email you details for Bluman and Human, ok? | 09:37 |
| troy_s | sure. | 09:37 |
| troy_s | as i mailed, i am going to update so make sure it is in incoming somewhere | 09:37 |
| Who_ | yea, it all is :) | 09:38 |
| troy_s | klepas has been busy with other matters and bersace is still on vacation | 09:38 |
| troy_s | incoming is very clogged. | 09:38 |
| troy_s | eek | 09:38 |
| Who_ | troy_s: I can't find anyway (and I have read a lot of docs!) to use the input filename in the output - is it so obvious it doesn't say? | 09:57 |
| troy_s | what do you mean?> | 09:58 |
| troy_s | as in take a given image filename.png and change it to filename.png | 09:58 |
| troy_s | for batch? | 09:58 |
| troy_s | Who_? | 09:58 |
| Who_ | well, in a single command using * with the input | 09:58 |
| troy_s | ahhh... try the label command somewhere. | 09:59 |
| Who_ | using * in the output doesn't allow me to add | 09:59 |
| Who_ | thanks | 09:59 |
| troy_s | and there are the blah: formats that seem to deal with that. | 09:59 |
| troy_s | you can put blah.jpg | 09:59 |
| troy_s | and it will number them all like blah-1.jpg | 09:59 |
| troy_s | etc. | 09:59 |
| troy_s | if you specifcy a single name, it will number them | 09:59 |
| Who_ | yea, I want blah_<orig_filename>.png | 09:59 |
| Who_ | which must be possible | 10:00 |
| Who_ | convert eye.gif news.gif storm.gif +adjoin image_%d.gif was given as an example to do numbering, but6 substituting %f doesn't work | 10:01 |
| kwwii | re | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | troy_s: ping , it will be a few more hours on that page , i got caughtup doing something else , but it should still have an ETA of today sometime | 10:41 |
| imbrandon | anyhow i'm off to lunch , l8tr | 10:41 |
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| mhb | good evening | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | ello | 11:01 |
| mhb | what's cooking, doc? | 11:10 |
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| kwwii | how does one install java on ubuntu? | 11:32 |
| mhb | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java | 11:34 |
| mhb | read that? | 11:34 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre | 11:39 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:39 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: just make sure you have multiverse and universe enabled , but i'm sure you do | 11:40 |
| mhb | imbrandon: why jre? | 11:40 |
| mhb | imbrandon: he doesn't need most of the stuff there | 11:40 |
| mhb | at least I think so ... | 11:40 |
| imbrandon | mhb: thats the "java runtime enviroment" that pulls all the -bin and such | 11:40 |
| mhb | imbrandon: well I know | 11:41 |
| imbrandon | mhb no telling what he needs, he just asked, that will grab all the bits ;P | 11:41 |
| mhb | ok | 11:41 |
| mhb | maybe got a bit confused | 11:41 |
| mhb | imbrandon: I still think https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java has the right answer | 11:41 |
| mhb | imbrandon: I always confuse the JRE and Java SDK | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | yea not the sdk just the jre ( runtime environment ) | 11:42 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: yeah, I have them enabled, thanks for the info :-) | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | the wiki needs changed actualy | 11:43 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: I want to run batik | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | should grab the meta package -jre not -bin | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | kwwii: yea then that will work | 11:43 |
| kwwii | I could do it with the gnu java compiler too (I have done it before, at least) but it is much slower | 11:43 |
| kwwii | and much more buggy | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | after you insall it make sure and run " sudo configure-alternatives --java " | 11:44 |
| imbrandon | and pick sun so it uses it by defalt not the gnu one | 11:44 |
| kwwii | hehe, i will do this tomorrow...getting late here tonight (I woke up at 6 this morning) | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | sorry kwwii told you wrong , run " sudo update-alternatives --config java " | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | after intall to change the default java | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | heheh | 11:46 |
| kwwii | cool, that is probably the most important thing I would have missed | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | yea i was awake when you woke up and now i have already slept and woke again LOL | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | btw and dont use adept to get it , it breaks when it shows the lic agreement | 11:48 |
| imbrandon | use aptittude or apt | 11:48 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:48 |
| kwwii | hehe, good to know as well | 11:48 |
| kwwii | never tried aptittude | 11:48 |
| kwwii | when I started I was using dpkg :p | 11:49 |
| kwwii | I was used to yast, and all the things you can do on the console with it | 11:49 |
| imbrandon | yea " yast --install <blah> or sudo yast2 & " is about my total yast exp, though i would like to see sax2 in ubuntu | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | hrm maybe i'll package it later ;) | 11:59 |
| === imbrandon contemplates compiling kde4svn on osx | ||
| kwwii | hehe | 12:01 |
| kwwii | good luck | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | it would take a week on this 800mhz iBook LOL | 12:01 |
| kwwii | and if you figure out how, let me know :p | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | well i got kde3 compiled and running on osx | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | wasent TOOO hard | 12:02 |
| kwwii | yeah, I have actually done it before as well (still have a running system on this OSX) | 12:02 |
| kwwii | but kde4 should be something a bit harder I guess | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | yea probably but kde4 is SUPOSE to be more osx / windows friendly | 12:03 |
| imbrandon | lol SUPOSE to be | 12:03 |
| imbrandon | might be esier just to do it with fink but the fink packages are so dated | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | would be nice to have a non-X11 inkscape or krita though | 12:04 |
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