=== Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:06] newz2000, pong [01:07] wtf... no topic? === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PPsycs [n=ldacunav@200.122.157.116] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PPsycs [n=ldacunav@200.122.157.116] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:10] moin [06:56] moins kwwii [06:56] howdy imbrandon === Guitarhero [n=mcneely1@pool-68-238-250-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:24] Hey I just joined on the Launchpad page [07:27] Guitarhero: cool [07:28] I was just wondering if there was any way I could help out [07:28] I dont know where all the objectives are in their development [07:30] Guitarhero: you follow the mailing list at all ? [07:31] no i just signed on the launch pad page, im gonna sign up for the mailing list now, should I just wait for that? [07:33] alright im on the mailing list [07:34] Guitarhero: check the wiki page as well [07:34] between the wiki, the mailing list and this channel you will find pretty much all the info you need [07:35] yeah I was lookin at the wiki [07:35] yup, a good place to start would be to look at the recient ML archives [07:35] it has alot of info [07:35] err ok [07:35] hehe, he ran away [07:36] lol , most do, just not that fast [07:36] haha [07:36] lol [07:36] the archive scared him [07:36] or perhaps the wiki [08:12] naw... we got him on the mailing list now! [08:12] lol [08:12] he's hooked. [08:12] all of the loud folks have deactivated their launchpad memberships, membership is thriving, and we have a good energy going forwards. [08:12] it's all good. [08:13] hehe [08:31] troy_s: is that the correct wiki page you pointed to in your mail? [08:31] for what? [08:31] launchpad? [08:31] should be. [08:31] i hope it is :) [08:31] 75 Launchpad Members! [08:31] Right now, we are currently sitting in the Proposal phase, [08:31] so we welcome all work that is along the style given on the [08:31] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42585 [08:31] wiki page. [08:31] grr [08:31] nope [08:31] wrong [08:31] FECK [08:32] I thought I should say something before you wake up in the morning with a lot of stupid questions [08:33] feck [08:33] thanks [08:34] weird paste action happened there. [08:34] oh well. [08:34] errata mail sent out. [08:35] no prob :-) [08:35] I think I will make myself breakfast now...bbl === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-026-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-023-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:53] hello everyone === Who_ [n=jonny@194-247-230-247.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h44n2fls34o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h44n2fls34o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:19] Who_, how you doing? [05:19] mhb, good to have you back [05:19] bloody split lost the topic again [05:19] grr. [05:20] troy_s: well, just about to 'cast the net' a bit wider to gett Blubuntu contributers - making a forum post and blogging it [05:20] ahh... [05:20] http://whosdabbling.blogspot.com/2006/07/ubuntu-some-like-it-blue-your-help.html [05:20] i really think you need a guiding motif to elevate the blubuntu to something greater. [05:20] any comments? [05:21] i really like your systematic approach [05:21] i think it will be a very good process for future development [05:21] cool, that Blubuntu theme page could actually be quite good for any other theme teams that want to use it, too [05:22] whoa... [05:22] shuttleworth blogged about it. [05:22] I was wondering if you can paste the line you use in imagemagik to make the contact sheets - i want to make a script [05:22] very simple... [05:22] let me do a bit of explaining first. [05:22] troy_s: yea not my theme, the art team :) you got a nice mention too [05:23] the command is montage [05:23] -tile has TWO purposes [05:23] the one we want is just a value [05:23] for width by height [05:23] okie [05:25] thanks [05:26] hold [05:26] not finished [05:26] had to look somethign up [05:26] do you think it is fair to say that the theme team process 'has the blessing' of sabdfl? [05:26] i know it does... [05:26] hold on. [05:26] oh, okay, still listening :) [05:26] so I can say that in my forum post... [05:30] is this a fiar description (I am worried about misadvertising): You can join a project by the Ubuntu-Art team (with Mark Shuttleworth's blessing) to develop a slick, clean, consistent blue theme to be included in Edgy. We want your contributions NOW. The theme will only be included if it is perfect, distinctive + there is space on the CD - see article for how we can make it so good they will _make space_ for it [05:33] ok [05:33] so ... back to helping you [05:33] sorry... had to do something [05:34] -tile will give you geometry -- for example, to do four colums you would put -tile 4 [05:34] (which is what i use) [05:34] you there Who_ [05:34] another useful command is -label [05:34] which you can format [05:34] i just use the file names [05:34] -label %f [05:34] will label each image with the filename [05:34] -geometry is the underlying geometry of each image... [05:34] so [05:35] if you do -geometry 260 [05:35] each contact sheet thumbnail will have its width scaled to 260 [05:35] you can force height, but if your images are off, they will scale improperly [05:35] -frame will create an outline... looks like a slide and you can control all sorts of things like colour, font, etc. [05:36] -frame 1 puts a nice simple 1 pixel border sep [05:36] soooooooooooooooo [05:36] troy_s: sorry, had to do something too :P [05:36] I'm just catching up [05:36] montage -tile 4 -geometry 260 -frame 1 -label %f -monitor my*images.jpg contact_sheet.jpg [05:36] the -monitor gives you progress indicators [05:37] the 'theme teams' are approved by mark shuttleworth [05:37] i would try to avoid implying that 'only blubuntu' is blessed :) [05:37] just a semantic wording issue [05:38] yea, true. [05:38] imagemagick is deadly powerful [05:38] just so you know... the online docs are very good too [05:38] www.imagemagick.org [05:38] thanks [05:38] now you know [05:38] I used it for some stuff the other night and was impressed [05:38] you can help me contact sheet all the stuffs :) [05:39] so what would you think is a guiding principle for blubuntu? any motifs/ [05:39] ? [05:39] troy_s; not yet - that is what I was working on last night [05:39] tory_s: I didn't get much that I liked :P [05:39] great [05:39] yes it isn't easy [05:39] motifs are tricky [05:40] you can really learn a lot by studying art / movies for good motifs and how they work wonderfully [05:40] some elevate the motifs to metaphorical instances... [05:40] I was trying (and this is waht I liked best) the idea of a small 'puddle' (I.E Large droplet) of water on a smooth surface, but didn't have much success rendering it in Inkscape [05:40] yes... i am a fan of that style of ripple [05:40] blobby gentle ripples [05:41] but I think the idea could look soo nice if it was consistendly done [05:41] yes. [05:41] can you do them in Inkscape? [05:41] i think you need to try to wrap that idea [05:41] inkscape rocks. [05:41] wrap? [05:41] i think you need to wrap the visual cues [05:41] with some sort of semantic clue [05:41] the reason being, is that when you get 'stuck' you have an ideology to fall back on [05:41] with me? [05:42] yea, I am since the last statement... [05:42] it gives you one set of 'screening devices' to figure out relevant content [05:42] (I.E that makde things clear) [05:42] yes, you can quickly go 'that is great work, but it doesn't really 'fit' with 'peace / freedom / flow/ foobar' [05:42] it helps you sculpt the work [05:43] and makes the process faster when you need inspiration for a given icon / etc. [05:43] well, any ideas what I can wrap my spilled water in :P? [05:43] the puddle idea is sort of a layer of abstraction on top of that. [05:44] it isn't easy... once you find it though, you will pretty much know it... [05:44] i would suggest doing a few things: [05:44] A) get a good cheap photo reference book (phaidon's has several) [05:44] B) get a good cheap art reference book (phaidon's has several - as does taschen) [05:44] flip through them [05:44] and see what some artists have done, and perhaps build on what they were trying to embody [05:45] there are a few good collections of print media too... they are great for going with a given 'style' regarding historical genres [05:45] because if you hit the ground running and start producing, one generally errors on the following: [05:46] A) if the creative output is good, it will 'wander' and decrease cohesion [05:46] B) you will hit a wall going 'i can't puddle a logout icon!' [05:46] etc. [05:46] and more deeply than that, you can quickly get others up to speed by having them read your preamble. [05:46] aka paper trail :) [05:47] wow! [05:47] that's a lot of info :) [05:48] consider it a treatment before you go out and write a novel or a script. [05:48] or even a little more low level than that... a sort of fundamental framework. [05:48] a lot of people have _very_ complex creative 'sensors' -- like when you look at a picture or watch a movie [05:49] when they say 'i don't like it' it is a basic statement that they have hit some of those triggers that something is violating their complex and refined sensors. [05:49] so have you got any ideas for Blubuntu? [05:49] yes i have a few [05:49] i'll email you them... [05:49] cool :) [05:50] i need to do some serious work on it first though, like flog through some of my art reference works... [05:50] try to get something fresh... [05:50] right now, i have a glut of updates to hit on the wiki [05:50] and try to clean them up [05:50] yea, actually, it's about time I did some more work for Human! [05:50] probably establish four good wiki pages with a summary link for the contact sheets etc. [05:50] yep [05:50] don't worry too much about hitting edgy [05:51] personally, to make a really pro theme, i would say that a team would need at least two cycles to get a mockup going [05:51] that 'works' [05:51] (do you have a suspicion that the space won't allow it anyway?) [05:51] otherwise it is a kludge. [05:51] yes. [05:51] until frank and daniel get how to remove ALL the legacy gnome crap [05:51] and extra gnome theme crap this [05:51] out [05:52] (which is a technological migration issue -- how to resolve a users system if they are using some of that information etc) [05:52] i think space will be at a premium [05:52] I do really want to get something out ofr review for edgy, and I want it to to be good - as much as anything to prove that I can get something produced in this framework and that I can meet the deadlines [05:53] which is admittedly, not going to yield the most kickass theme we could possible have made it, but we have future release cycles to hone them [05:55] If this was for Dapper (I.E an LTS release) I may not take that view, but for Edgy, I think shipping a bloody good theme that can still be improved on is okay [05:55] what legacy gnome crap? [05:56] I 'legacy gnome crap' refers to the stuff in gnome-themes... [05:57] the themes in gnome-themes? [05:58] crap is a bit harsh eh, we're doing as good work as we can refreshing those [06:00] not my words :P [06:00] andreasn: it's "sincerity weekend" now in Ubuntu Artwork Team :o) [06:00] andreasn: (it's just a joke) [06:00] :) [06:01] andreasn: if you read the ML from yesterday you would understand it better :o) [06:01] so much noise on the ml that I can't keep up with everything :( [06:02] andreasn: some other theme was critisized very badly [06:03] what was the subject? [06:03] Domething about Tropic [06:04] Tropic beta 1 released, I think [06:04] I think it was criticised very 'well' - I.E sensitively and constructively [06:04] andreasn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Tropic [06:05] Who_: well [06:05] mhb:? [06:05] Who_: well, you could say that [06:06] :P [06:09] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Help_to_ensure_Ubuntu_Edgy_has_a_slick_blue_theme_installed_automatically [06:10] you could digg that if you want to avoid the need to criticise me well/badly over Blubuntu :P [06:12] Who_: I called yesterday "sincerity day" here on the chat but it seems it continues :o) [06:14] Who_: some people reacted "not as constructively" on the ML yesterday like you did [06:14] on tt-tropic? [06:14] perhaps I haven't read them all yet - hold on [06:14] troy_s: yep [06:15] big email folks, please take the time to read and get some views to the thread, the info is important. [06:15] i have tt-tropic filtered... [06:15] no time. [06:15] hopefully it wasn't too bad. [06:16] will do. How 'bout digging the Blubuntu article in return ;) [06:16] troy_s: well, I was suprised that the negative reactions came so late [06:16] missed that. [06:16] who_ yep... i always gravitate to structure. [06:16] more structure, the more i participate. [06:17] but we might want some folks with talent too :) [06:17] as opposed to hacks like me. [06:17] the folks who participate in irc are probably the 'height' of actives... we need those lurkers. [06:18] troy_s: can you try not to break the links (to the Blubuntu page) I just spread as far and wide as I possibly could :S [06:18] yes [06:18] i always try to avoid breaking links. [06:18] i will probably just try to keep a separate area out of 'incoming' [06:24] Who_: done. Happier? :o) [06:24] sure am :) [06:27] Who_: 2 still isn't much :o) [06:28] lol, yea, I don't think it is likely to take off, but it was worth a try :) [06:31] Who_: but maybe if all these people voted for this... [06:31] Who_: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Down_with_Brown_-_Changing_Login_Splash_Screen_on_Ubuntu_Dapper_Drake [06:32] mhb: it was seeing that on the front page that made me think that maybe I could get some diggs [06:33] Who_: it's interesting that so many people think the Ubuntu theme is not that good [06:33] the brown colour, to be exact [06:33] mhb: I think it really does grow on you [06:33] I see a lot of things these days and think - wow! I wouldn't want to _use_ that [06:34] not so much with brown though [06:36] troy_s: I did you a reply [06:37] see you later, boys [06:50] Who_, the brown thing is merely implementation. and it is new -- and as a 'general' rule, people don't know how to feel with new so they tend to 'react' to it. [06:50] inee [06:51] *indeed === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === neodreams [n=neodream@modemcable198.230-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:10] troy_s: I'm trying to use montage here but it is screwing my images over [09:10] just using [09:11] montage -tile 1 *Theme.png Themes.png [09:11] all I want ois for the images to get stacked on top of each other! [09:20] Who_, you still here? [09:20] whooooosy [09:20] what do you mean by stacked? [09:20] troy_s: yea [09:21] etc. [09:21] you want a collage approach? [09:21] It isn't the montage command [09:21] or in a single line? [09:21] it is the crop one that I used before hand, it seems [09:21] what is the issue? [09:21] ahh... [09:21] yep... montage is pretty darn reliable. [09:21] i encourage you to read the doc page for some of the specific params. [09:22] troy_s: yea, that's what I've been doing [09:22] I want to crop the top right hand corner [09:23] I used convert Screenshot*.png -crop 280x54+1000+0 small.png [09:25] but that creates an image 280x54 pixels with the cropped bit offset, which isn't what I wanted - I wanted the cropping to start offset (which it does) but in the final image I wanted an offset of 0 [09:27] which is why they make repage :D [09:27] (add +repage to the options) [09:30] yep [09:30] like i said, it is a pretty damn powerful suite. [09:35] Who_, you get it sorted? [09:35] troy_s: yea, repage did it [09:35] great [09:35] ! [09:35] must shower and go buy movie tickets for my daughter. [09:35] keep me up to speed! [09:35] i want to see a mail with everything you have done okie? [09:35] danke. [09:35] troy_s: but not before i'd choppe 5 screenshots into tiles of 270x54 [09:35] which took a while :P [09:36] oops [09:36] lol [09:36] yah... i did that cropping and was completely in the dark [09:36] it is pretty easy because once you learn it, it behaves the same in ALL of the tools. [09:36] which is nice [09:36] I used repage but didn't add an offset...bad idea [09:36] the only tricky one is the -tile doesn't tell you about tiling images :) [09:36] it does on the expansive doc, but not the initial one for montage [09:36] troy_s: everything I have done today, or a while back [09:37] Who_, how about a summary of what you are working towards? [09:37] with links? [09:37] or something akin to that? [09:37] so that i haven't missed anything [09:37] etc. [09:37] plus all your new lovely legwork you are putting in of course. [09:37] troy_s: Okay, I will email you details for Bluman and Human, ok? [09:37] sure. [09:37] as i mailed, i am going to update so make sure it is in incoming somewhere [09:38] yea, it all is :) [09:38] klepas has been busy with other matters and bersace is still on vacation [09:38] incoming is very clogged. [09:38] eek [09:57] troy_s: I can't find anyway (and I have read a lot of docs!) to use the input filename in the output - is it so obvious it doesn't say? [09:58] what do you mean?> [09:58] as in take a given image filename.png and change it to filename.png [09:58] for batch? [09:58] Who_? [09:58] well, in a single command using * with the input [09:59] ahhh... try the label command somewhere. [09:59] using * in the output doesn't allow me to add [09:59] thanks [09:59] and there are the blah: formats that seem to deal with that. [09:59] you can put blah.jpg [09:59] and it will number them all like blah-1.jpg [09:59] etc. [09:59] if you specifcy a single name, it will number them [09:59] yea, I want blah_.png [10:00] which must be possible [10:01] convert eye.gif news.gif storm.gif +adjoin image_%d.gif was given as an example to do numbering, but6 substituting %f doesn't work [10:11] re [10:41] troy_s: ping , it will be a few more hours on that page , i got caughtup doing something else , but it should still have an ETA of today sometime [10:41] anyhow i'm off to lunch , l8tr === mhb [n=martin@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:00] good evening [11:01] ello [11:10] what's cooking, doc? === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:32] how does one install java on ubuntu? [11:34] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java [11:34] read that? [11:39] kwwii: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre [11:39] ;) [11:40] kwwii: just make sure you have multiverse and universe enabled , but i'm sure you do [11:40] imbrandon: why jre? [11:40] imbrandon: he doesn't need most of the stuff there [11:40] at least I think so ... [11:40] mhb: thats the "java runtime enviroment" that pulls all the -bin and such [11:41] imbrandon: well I know [11:41] mhb no telling what he needs, he just asked, that will grab all the bits ;P [11:41] ok [11:41] maybe got a bit confused [11:41] imbrandon: I still think https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java has the right answer [11:42] imbrandon: I always confuse the JRE and Java SDK [11:42] yea not the sdk just the jre ( runtime environment ) [11:43] imbrandon: yeah, I have them enabled, thanks for the info :-) [11:43] the wiki needs changed actualy [11:43] imbrandon: I want to run batik [11:43] should grab the meta package -jre not -bin [11:43] kwwii: yea then that will work [11:43] I could do it with the gnu java compiler too (I have done it before, at least) but it is much slower [11:43] and much more buggy [11:44] after you insall it make sure and run " sudo configure-alternatives --java " [11:44] and pick sun so it uses it by defalt not the gnu one [11:45] hehe, i will do this tomorrow...getting late here tonight (I woke up at 6 this morning) [11:45] sorry kwwii told you wrong , run " sudo update-alternatives --config java " [11:46] after intall to change the default java [11:46] heheh [11:46] cool, that is probably the most important thing I would have missed [11:46] yea i was awake when you woke up and now i have already slept and woke again LOL [11:48] btw and dont use adept to get it , it breaks when it shows the lic agreement [11:48] use aptittude or apt [11:48] ;) [11:48] hehe, good to know as well [11:48] never tried aptittude [11:49] when I started I was using dpkg :p [11:49] I was used to yast, and all the things you can do on the console with it [11:59] yea " yast --install or sudo yast2 & " is about my total yast exp, though i would like to see sax2 in ubuntu [11:59] hrm maybe i'll package it later ;) === imbrandon contemplates compiling kde4svn on osx [12:01] hehe [12:01] good luck [12:01] it would take a week on this 800mhz iBook LOL [12:01] and if you figure out how, let me know :p [12:02] well i got kde3 compiled and running on osx [12:02] wasent TOOO hard [12:02] yeah, I have actually done it before as well (still have a running system on this OSX) [12:02] but kde4 should be something a bit harder I guess [12:03] yea probably but kde4 is SUPOSE to be more osx / windows friendly [12:03] lol SUPOSE to be [12:04] might be esier just to do it with fink but the fink packages are so dated [12:04] would be nice to have a non-X11 inkscape or krita though