[12:55] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/mainwindow.png
[12:56] <nixternal> i was thinking of something along the lines of ^^ for a one stop shop for help, docs, and the community
[01:02] <Laser_away> nixternal: ohhhh, spiffy :-)
[01:02] <nixternal> why thank you
[01:11] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:16] <nixternal> mdke: ping?
[02:16] <Burgwork> nixternal, it is 1am there
[02:16] <nixternal> ahhh, yes, so i am guessing him to be asleep
[02:17] <nixternal> Burgwork: any idea where i can get the Ubuntu Plone theme?
[02:18] <Burgwork> sorry, no idea
[05:28] <nixternal> where is jsgotangco hiding??
[06:47] <robotgeek> hmm, how did the meeting go? i had an absolutely horrible flight (12 hours travel!)
[06:51] <nixternal> it was a pretty good meeting
[06:51] <nixternal> ouch..where did you travel to and from?
[06:52] <robotgeek> huntsville to Newark, NJ
[06:53] <robotgeek> it was supposed to take only 5 hours :)
[06:53] <nixternal> jeesh
[06:53] <crimsun> that sucks.
[06:53] <nixternal> that shouldnt even take 5 hours direct..that is a 2 to 2.5 hour flight
[06:53] <crimsun> granted, I spent 19 hours for Baltimore, MD -> Charlotte, NC.
[06:53] <nixternal> round trip would be 5 maybe
[06:53] <nixternal> bwi is garbage
[06:53] <robotgeek> connecting and stuff
[06:54] <nixternal> so is dulles..actually all airports around dc are garbage..but i shall move back there one of these days..i miss the bay so bad
[06:54] <crimsun> it wasn't even BWI, it was the tornados in Charlotte that prevented our flights from taking off
[06:54] <robotgeek> i had to come into NY and get stucj in a traffic jam
[06:54] <robotgeek> crimsun: where are you located at, if i may ask?
[06:54] <nixternal> traffic jam in NY?
[06:54] <nixternal> nahhh ;)
[06:55] <robotgeek> the rain created so much trouble. 
[06:55] <crimsun> robotgeek: I'm based out of Greensboro, NC, but I fly to Atlanta, GA, and Dallas, TX regularly
[06:56] <robotgeek> crimsun: hmm, i am in Huntsville, Al
[06:56] <robotgeek> i tht maybe we could meet up if we were close enough :
[06:58] <crimsun> unfortunately Huntsville is a bit of a jog
[06:58] <robotgeek> yeah, 10 hours of drive is a bit too much :)
[06:59] <robotgeek> maybe we could meet in Altanta sometime, heh
[07:24] <theCore> a new guide?
[07:25] <theCore> trunk/ubuntu/switching/ ...
[07:25] <theCore> but only one file with content
[07:25] <theCore> and it's not valid
[07:27] <theCore> actually there no content ... :(
[07:27] <Burgundavia> theCore: hmm
[07:27] <Burgundavia> it might all be invalidated if that soc students gets done
[07:28] <theCore> Burgundavia: what do you mean?
[07:29] <Burgundavia> there is a google summer of code student writing some code to do automatic migrations of data
[07:30] <theCore> oh, so the guide wasn't about introducing Windows peoples to Linux?
[07:30] <theCore> (said like that, I wonder we would need a such guide)
[07:31] <theCore> we a the desktop guide for that :)
[07:31] <theCore> s/a/have/
[07:43] <theCore> just a question like that, where are revisions < 98?
[07:45] <theCore> nevermind
[07:45] <theCore> I found them
[07:46] <theCore> they were just not logged
[07:48] <Burgundavia> theCore: the guide also has bits about moving data over from windows
[07:49] <theCore> Burgundavia: I deduced it
[07:49] <Burgundavia> perfect, smart people are always good have aboard ;P
[07:50] <theCore> :)
[07:51] <theCore> the history log of the commits is quite interesting
[07:52] <theCore> first commit: r1 | chris | 2004-11-10 10:57:39 -0500 (Wed, 10 Nov 2004) | 2 lines
[07:52] <theCore> almost 2 years
[07:52] <Burgundavia> ah, chris
[07:52] <Burgundavia> most of the old doc team from the warty days is gone
[07:52] <Burgundavia> I am only one
[07:53] <theCore> sad...
[07:53] <Burgundavia> life happens
[07:53] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:53] <Burgundavia> jerome is only two months behind me
[07:58] <theCore> I started with Hoary, since then I been hooked :)
[07:58] <theCore> Warty development must had been fun
[07:59] <Burgundavia> most of warty development was done behind closed doors
[07:59] <Burgundavia> it wasn't called ubuntu until that rc release
[07:59] <Burgundavia> ok, I just realized I don't care about what the artwork team talks about on their mailig list
[07:59] <Burgundavia> time to bin that one
[07:59] <HedgeMage> lol
[08:00] <theCore> Burgundavia: I should too
[08:00] <theCore> Burgundavia: I kept this list simply because Mark was posting on it
[08:02] <Burgundavia> bah, I have better things todo with my time
[08:05] <theCore> *poof* ubuntu-art gone...
[08:05] <Burgundavia> yep, open clipart is next
[08:05] <Burgundavia> man, this feels great!
[08:06] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:08] <theCore> *poof* ubuntu-doc-commit gone...
[08:08] <theCore> I got `svn log' instead
[08:09] <Burgundavia> doc commit has been borked recently anyway
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2 questions - is there an ubuntu-doc package to check for bugs against? and i want to move a page into CatagoryCleanup and CatagoryDocumentation - can i do that after making the page?
[08:11] <Burgundavia> yes and yes
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[08:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i noticed a missing space - should i send a diff to -doc for a 1 character change, or can someone here fix it?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: I can
slightly in this case to reflect <- missing space before 'slightly', line 817 of UbuntuDocsSVN/generic/packagingguide/Cbasic.xml
[08:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> * C/basic.xml
[08:20] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: done
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[08:21] <Burgundavia> oops, forgot to mention you, sorry
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol np. its 1 byte
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Burgundavia, ping? can you look at another of those pages for me? i'm not sure this one is correct 
[08:42] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: sure
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> same file, liune 1348 -> 1358 - shouldnt that itemizedlist be inside the note?
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: good catch, yes
[09:05] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:07] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: argh, bug in the Packaging Guide? no way :-)
[09:18] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: they don't exist
[09:18] <LaserJock> I don't think it's possible, my spelling and grammar are perfect ;-)
[09:19] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: right...
[09:19] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: why have you not applied for svn write yet?
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, burg has gone
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> because i dont often make sugestions, i just lurk around and sugest when i think suitable (usualy just after each release :P)
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> and Laser_away  - of course your perfect - its the package thats broken it ;)
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> also, the 'REVU' link on ubuntu.xml is just a standard link - it doesnt show its external...perhaps it could somehow?
[10:03] <Madpilot> no idea
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> nm. bbl. dinner :)
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[11:10] <mdke> nixternal: pong
[11:11] <mdke> nixternal: ah, plone? Ubuntu hasn't used plone for a long time! If absolutely essential I suppose we can dig it out, but I'm not sure
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there someone i should ping specifically to talk about the packing guide,?
[11:24] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, Laser_away 
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke, thanks. i'll ping him then
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Laser_away, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.org/ http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/ dont seem to exist, they are referenced for 'package information' in bugs.xml .
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh hang on
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> its http://packages.qa.debian.org, ubuntu -> debian 
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Laser_away, line 133, shouldnt 'Process' be a lowercase P?
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> and the qa. problem is line 53 fyi
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> (bugs.xml) line 263 - "ubuntu uses ..." - shouldnt that be 'launchpad uses'?
[12:20] <mpt_> nixternal, is the switching-from-windows guide supposed to work at the moment? I get XML errors from yelp
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps in apendix -> additional resources it should be clear they are all external links (it is if you hover a mouse over, but perhaps a sentence about it?)
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Laser_away, appendix.xml, line 273, toyour, missing space
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> random ping : should i email the diff (its about 40 lines of not much) to the list or to Laser_away directly?
[01:08] <bimberi> hey Kamping_Kaiser.  My one diff was submitted to the list (if that helps)
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, the only time i have sent  a diff i went direct to robotgeek , but if they go publicly thats cool
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> emailed.
[02:13] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser: list definitely is better, that way we can all see you're contributing :)
[02:13] <mdke> thanks for that
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, will do mdke :) 
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[02:15] <jsgotangco> evening
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:18] <mpt_> Ugh, this is depressing
[02:18] <jsgotangco> hmmm did the docteam meeting happen?
[02:18] <mpt_> jsgotangco, yes, 17 hours ago
[02:19] <jsgotangco> in this channel? i dont see a -meeting log
[02:19] <mpt_> In this channel, -meeting was being used for marketing
[02:19] <jsgotangco> cheers
[02:20] <mpt_> So I decided to write an example help page
[02:20] <mpt_> to show how to structure a help page
[02:20] <mpt_> And the topic I chose was "I installed a program but now I can?t find it"
[02:21] <mpt_> But, holy crap, that's a horrible problem to solve
[02:21] <mpt_> The simplest method that I can see includes typing "which nameofprogram" in a Terminal
[02:22] <mpt_> and copying-and-pasting the results into the Applications Menu Editor
[02:22] <ompaul> mpt_, only works if the program is on the existing paths and not all programs are
[02:22] <mpt_> but that's lame-o
[02:22] <mpt_> and, yeah
[02:23] <ompaul> for that case what is needed is locatedb and a clever grep of the output which sees "bin" and tests for elf type
[02:23] <ompaul> then you can get some of it 
[02:23] <mpt_> You can drag a program directly from a "Search for Files" window into the panel, yay
[02:23] <mpt_> But can you drag it into alacarte? Noooooooo
[02:24] <ompaul> but what if the program has a name like sshd and you installed openssh-server
[02:24] <mpt_> ompaul, I'm concerned with graphical programs
[02:24] <mpt_> sshd you shouldn't ever want in the menus anyway, correct?
[02:25] <ompaul> mpt_, well if you were doing strange things and setting up configs and tearing them down again you might
[02:25] <ompaul> sshd has many uses
[02:25] <ompaul> so I would not concur that for all use cases you would not want it in your menus
[02:27] <ompaul> or openvpn which installs with the idea that openvpn is a daemon however what I am doing at the moment I had to borrow one non ubuntu laptop from someone to create the network effects and it has a lovely little feature that you can drag a config file out and right click on it and this invokes the program 
[02:28] <ompaul> I am setting up network one - tearing it down setting up network two and tearing it down and so on
[02:28] <ompaul> and really that is what I should be doing now ;-)
[06:57] <LaserJock> Kamping_Kaiser: something must have gone wrong with the URLs, those should be for Debian
[07:11] <nixternal> hola compadres
[07:12] <LaserJock> hi nixternal 
[07:21] <nixternal> wasabi LaserJock
[07:22] <LaserJock> hmm, tryint to clean up a little mess on LP
[07:22] <nixternal> heh, sounds like fun
[07:22] <LaserJock> I need to revert some changes that somebody did
[07:22] <nixternal> now im in the process of setting up a little ubuntu server to do some local testing
[07:23] <nixternal> malicious or no?
[07:23] <LaserJock> not malicious, just misguided ;-)
[07:25] <nixternal> joy
[07:39] <theCore> hi LaserJock
[07:42] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[07:43] <theCore> someone has sent a patch for the packaging guide on the ML, you may want to check it out
[07:47] <LaserJock> yeah