=== linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:55] http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/mainwindow.png [12:56] i was thinking of something along the lines of ^^ for a one stop shop for help, docs, and the community === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:02] nixternal: ohhhh, spiffy :-) [01:02] why thank you [01:11] :) === dsa [n=douglas@201.78.174.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsa [n=douglas@201.78.174.17] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:16] mdke: ping? [02:16] nixternal, it is 1am there [02:16] ahhh, yes, so i am guessing him to be asleep [02:17] Burgwork: any idea where i can get the Ubuntu Plone theme? [02:18] sorry, no idea === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore_ [n=alex@modemcable024.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-142-182.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:28] where is jsgotangco hiding?? === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable024.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Taim [n=taim@27.nwkn2.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #Ubuntu-Doc [06:47] hmm, how did the meeting go? i had an absolutely horrible flight (12 hours travel!) [06:51] it was a pretty good meeting [06:51] ouch..where did you travel to and from? === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:52] huntsville to Newark, NJ [06:53] it was supposed to take only 5 hours :) [06:53] jeesh [06:53] that sucks. [06:53] that shouldnt even take 5 hours direct..that is a 2 to 2.5 hour flight [06:53] granted, I spent 19 hours for Baltimore, MD -> Charlotte, NC. [06:53] round trip would be 5 maybe [06:53] bwi is garbage [06:53] connecting and stuff [06:54] so is dulles..actually all airports around dc are garbage..but i shall move back there one of these days..i miss the bay so bad [06:54] it wasn't even BWI, it was the tornados in Charlotte that prevented our flights from taking off [06:54] i had to come into NY and get stucj in a traffic jam [06:54] crimsun: where are you located at, if i may ask? [06:54] traffic jam in NY? [06:54] nahhh ;) [06:55] the rain created so much trouble. [06:55] robotgeek: I'm based out of Greensboro, NC, but I fly to Atlanta, GA, and Dallas, TX regularly [06:56] crimsun: hmm, i am in Huntsville, Al [06:56] i tht maybe we could meet up if we were close enough : [06:58] unfortunately Huntsville is a bit of a jog [06:58] yeah, 10 hours of drive is a bit too much :) [06:59] maybe we could meet in Altanta sometime, heh === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:24] a new guide? [07:25] trunk/ubuntu/switching/ ... [07:25] but only one file with content [07:25] and it's not valid [07:27] actually there no content ... :( [07:27] theCore: hmm [07:27] it might all be invalidated if that soc students gets done [07:28] Burgundavia: what do you mean? [07:29] there is a google summer of code student writing some code to do automatic migrations of data [07:30] oh, so the guide wasn't about introducing Windows peoples to Linux? [07:30] (said like that, I wonder we would need a such guide) [07:31] we a the desktop guide for that :) [07:31] s/a/have/ [07:43] just a question like that, where are revisions < 98? [07:45] nevermind [07:45] I found them [07:46] they were just not logged [07:48] theCore: the guide also has bits about moving data over from windows [07:49] Burgundavia: I deduced it === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-19-99.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:49] perfect, smart people are always good have aboard ;P [07:50] :) [07:51] the history log of the commits is quite interesting [07:52] first commit: r1 | chris | 2004-11-10 10:57:39 -0500 (Wed, 10 Nov 2004) | 2 lines [07:52] almost 2 years [07:52] ah, chris [07:52] most of the old doc team from the warty days is gone [07:52] I am only one [07:53] sad... [07:53] life happens === Madpilot hands Burgundavia the official "Strange Old Fart" badge of DocTeam [07:53] heh [07:53] jerome is only two months behind me === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:58] I started with Hoary, since then I been hooked :) [07:58] Warty development must had been fun [07:59] most of warty development was done behind closed doors [07:59] it wasn't called ubuntu until that rc release [07:59] ok, I just realized I don't care about what the artwork team talks about on their mailig list [07:59] time to bin that one [07:59] lol [08:00] Burgundavia: I should too [08:00] Burgundavia: I kept this list simply because Mark was posting on it [08:02] bah, I have better things todo with my time [08:05] *poof* ubuntu-art gone... [08:05] yep, open clipart is next [08:05] man, this feels great! [08:06] :) [08:08] *poof* ubuntu-doc-commit gone... [08:08] I got `svn log' instead [08:09] doc commit has been borked recently anyway [08:11] 2 questions - is there an ubuntu-doc package to check for bugs against? and i want to move a page into CatagoryCleanup and CatagoryDocumentation - can i do that after making the page? [08:11] yes and yes [08:11] thanks [08:13] i noticed a missing space - should i send a diff to -doc for a 1 character change, or can someone here fix it? [08:13] Kamping_Kaiser: I can [08:15] changelogslightly in this case to reflect <- missing space before 'slightly', line 817 of UbuntuDocsSVN/generic/packagingguide/Cbasic.xml [08:15] * C/basic.xml [08:20] Kamping_Kaiser: done [08:21] thanks [08:21] oops, forgot to mention you, sorry [08:22] lol np. its 1 byte === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:41] Burgundavia, ping? can you look at another of those pages for me? i'm not sure this one is correct [08:42] Kamping_Kaiser: sure [08:42] same file, liune 1348 -> 1358 - shouldnt that itemizedlist be inside the note? [08:47] bbl === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:57] Kamping_Kaiser: good catch, yes === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:05] g'nite [09:07] Kamping_Kaiser: argh, bug in the Packaging Guide? no way :-) === ThiefOfBaghdad [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:18] LaserJock: they don't exist [09:18] I don't think it's possible, my spelling and grammar are perfect ;-) [09:19] LaserJock: right... [09:19] Kamping_Kaiser: why have you not applied for svn write yet? === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:38] oh, burg has gone [09:39] because i dont often make sugestions, i just lurk around and sugest when i think suitable (usualy just after each release :P) [09:42] and Laser_away - of course your perfect - its the package thats broken it ;) [10:02] also, the 'REVU' link on ubuntu.xml is just a standard link - it doesnt show its external...perhaps it could somehow? === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:03] no idea [10:03] nm. bbl. dinner :) === dsas [n=dean@host86-143-89-51.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:08] back [11:10] nixternal: pong [11:11] nixternal: ah, plone? Ubuntu hasn't used plone for a long time! If absolutely essential I suppose we can dig it out, but I'm not sure [11:21] is there someone i should ping specifically to talk about the packing guide,? [11:24] Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, Laser_away [11:25] mdke, thanks. i'll ping him then === lancetw_ [n=lancetw@203-204-189-160.adsl.static.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lancetw_ [n=lancetw@203-204-189-160.adsl.static.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [12:02] Laser_away, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.org/ http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/ dont seem to exist, they are referenced for 'package information' in bugs.xml . [12:02] oh hang on [12:02] its http://packages.qa.debian.org, ubuntu -> debian [12:08] Laser_away, line 133, shouldnt 'Process' be a lowercase P? [12:08] and the qa. problem is line 53 fyi === Kamping_Kaiser feels like bug tips should be somewhere else, but i'm not sure where it would go === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-62-245-160-53.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:19] (bugs.xml) line 263 - "ubuntu uses ..." - shouldnt that be 'launchpad uses'? [12:20] nixternal, is the switching-from-windows guide supposed to work at the moment? I get XML errors from yelp [12:24] perhaps in apendix -> additional resources it should be clear they are all external links (it is if you hover a mouse over, but perhaps a sentence about it?) === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:47] Laser_away, appendix.xml, line 273, toyour, missing space === Kamping_Kaiser goes to try and make a patch [01:01] random ping : should i email the diff (its about 40 lines of not much) to the list or to Laser_away directly? [01:08] hey Kamping_Kaiser. My one diff was submitted to the list (if that helps) [01:10] bimberi, the only time i have sent a diff i went direct to robotgeek , but if they go publicly thats cool === Kamping_Kaiser will email soon' === bimberi went by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute === Kamping_Kaiser lols. how novel, folowing the rules ;) [01:14] emailed. === bimberi likes to start that way ;) === zard1989 [n=zard1989@61-225-196-203.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:13] Kamping_Kaiser: list definitely is better, that way we can all see you're contributing :) [02:13] thanks for that [02:14] ok, will do mdke :) [02:14] np [02:15] evening [02:15] hi [02:18] Ugh, this is depressing [02:18] hmmm did the docteam meeting happen? [02:18] jsgotangco, yes, 17 hours ago [02:19] in this channel? i dont see a -meeting log [02:19] In this channel, -meeting was being used for marketing [02:19] cheers === mpt_ cries [02:20] So I decided to write an example help page [02:20] to show how to structure a help page [02:20] And the topic I chose was "I installed a program but now I can?t find it" [02:21] But, holy crap, that's a horrible problem to solve [02:21] The simplest method that I can see includes typing "which nameofprogram" in a Terminal [02:22] and copying-and-pasting the results into the Applications Menu Editor [02:22] mpt_, only works if the program is on the existing paths and not all programs are [02:22] but that's lame-o [02:22] and, yeah [02:23] for that case what is needed is locatedb and a clever grep of the output which sees "bin" and tests for elf type [02:23] then you can get some of it [02:23] You can drag a program directly from a "Search for Files" window into the panel, yay [02:23] But can you drag it into alacarte? Noooooooo [02:24] but what if the program has a name like sshd and you installed openssh-server [02:24] ompaul, I'm concerned with graphical programs [02:24] sshd you shouldn't ever want in the menus anyway, correct? [02:25] mpt_, well if you were doing strange things and setting up configs and tearing them down again you might [02:25] sshd has many uses [02:25] so I would not concur that for all use cases you would not want it in your menus [02:27] or openvpn which installs with the idea that openvpn is a daemon however what I am doing at the moment I had to borrow one non ubuntu laptop from someone to create the network effects and it has a lovely little feature that you can drag a config file out and right click on it and this invokes the program [02:28] I am setting up network one - tearing it down setting up network two and tearing it down and so on [02:28] and really that is what I should be doing now ;-) === ompaul goes back to laptops and numerous configs === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [i=user@69-87-142-64.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-142-64.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:57] Kamping_Kaiser: something must have gone wrong with the URLs, those should be for Debian === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:11] hola compadres [07:12] hi nixternal [07:21] wasabi LaserJock [07:22] hmm, tryint to clean up a little mess on LP [07:22] heh, sounds like fun [07:22] I need to revert some changes that somebody did [07:22] now im in the process of setting up a little ubuntu server to do some local testing [07:23] malicious or no? [07:23] not malicious, just misguided ;-) [07:25] joy === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:39] hi LaserJock [07:42] hi theCore [07:43] someone has sent a patch for the packaging guide on the ML, you may want to check it out [07:47] yeah === ThiefOfBaghdad [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === baks17 [n=barkha@gnu-india/supporter/barkha] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === baks17 [n=barkha@gnu-india/supporter/barkha] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === theCore [n=alex@modemcable024.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc