| mhz | i mean, if the purpose is to be printed out for Edgy | 12:10 |
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| mhz | I have no idea how long printing takes | 12:10 |
| mhz | I do know that if we can write a chapter in 2 weeks | 12:10 |
| mhz | it is just a matter of sum up | 12:10 |
| HedgeMage | I'd like to aim to be ready for translators by mid-november | 12:11 |
| mhz | so, this is "post-edgy"? | 12:11 |
| HedgeMage | ack meant september | 12:11 |
| HedgeMage | sorry brain cramp | 12:11 |
| mhz | your LISP! | 12:11 |
| mhz | hehehe | 12:11 |
| HedgeMage | hehe | 12:11 |
| pygi | mhz: they print same day you order | 12:12 |
| pygi | dont worry about that | 12:12 |
| mhz | well, if I am to write about light stuff and they way we use edubuntu, I know that in 2 months, I have plenty of time, considering my uneployment ;) | 12:12 |
| HedgeMage | heh | 12:13 |
| HedgeMage | Okay, so let's say September 15th for final drafts, September 22nd to have everything proofread? | 12:13 |
| HedgeMage | Sound good? | 12:14 |
| HedgeMage | Or would translators need more time? | 12:14 |
| mhz | rulz to me | 12:14 |
| mhz | depends.. | 12:14 |
| HedgeMage | I've never done the translation thing, so I have no clue what they need. | 12:14 |
| mhz | I can translate into spanish about 4 or 6 pages a day, depending on how much I like/understand the subject | 12:15 |
| HedgeMage | I'm sure some things will be done earlier than the deadline (theoretically) | 12:15 |
| mhz | (that is professionally) | 12:15 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| === pygi thinks hosting guys seriously need some kicking | ||
| === mhz is Translator and Interpreter | ||
| HedgeMage | cool | 12:15 |
| mhz | the thing is I have no idea how fast and good can a non-translator do | 12:16 |
| HedgeMage | How about this: we ask everyone doing >1 chapter to have at least one chapter done and proofed by September one, then the rest by the regular deadline? | 12:16 |
| mhz | I know some guys get 8 pages a day (each page is 250 words) | 12:16 |
| HedgeMage | That should give our translators a head start. | 12:16 |
| mhz | but I do not usually like the quality | 12:17 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: yeah! | 12:17 |
| mhz | good thinking | 12:17 |
| HedgeMage | quality is our #1 priority... if it's not easy to understand, docs are useless. | 12:17 |
| HedgeMage | Thanks! | 12:17 |
| HedgeMage | That sound good to everyone else? | 12:17 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: i'd suggest less time | 12:17 |
| === pygi nods, he's just concerned why are we doing post-edgy when freeze is soon anyway | ||
| mhz | HedgeMage: could you tell me what you understand by '1 chapter' | 12:18 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: can you rephrase that, I'm finding it hard to parse | 12:18 |
| HedgeMage | mhz: if you look at EdgyOutline, I'd consider each of the bulleted items to be a chapter | 12:18 |
| mhz | pygi: i guess she means post-edgy basically considering how many hands we have | 12:19 |
| pygi | mhz: right, but we dont want that :P | 12:19 |
| mhz | yeah | 12:19 |
| mhz | but do we have more people now? | 12:19 |
| HedgeMage | wait, who said what about post-edgy? | 12:19 |
| pygi | well, not really, but we have dedicated people :) | 12:19 |
| === HedgeMage is totally lost | ||
| pygi | HedgeMage: nothing, dont worry | 12:19 |
| === HedgeMage is confused. | ||
| HedgeMage | (not that that's unusual) | 12:20 |
| pygi | dont be, lets continue | 12:20 |
| mhz | okis | 12:20 |
| HedgeMage | OK | 12:20 |
| HedgeMage | Last order of business: any idea where we could look for 2-3 more good contributors? | 12:21 |
| mhz | my guess is | 12:21 |
| mhz | the most consuming task is proofreading | 12:21 |
| mhz | esp. considering that I am not native speaker of english | 12:21 |
| HedgeMage | I *might* have two proofreaders for us... teachers my mom knows who are interested in edubuntu | 12:22 |
| Burgwork | HedgeMage, ideally, it would be nice if you could hit the docteam string freeze | 12:22 |
| mhz | I hardly get contributors in spanish for edubuntu :( | 12:22 |
| Burgwork | that is sept | 12:22 |
| HedgeMage | Burgwork: sept what? | 12:22 |
| mhz | Burgwork: that is not for translations, or with it | 12:22 |
| mhz | ? | 12:22 |
| pygi | Burgwork: sept 1? | 12:22 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: I think we could do it by that date | 12:23 |
| mhz | yeah | 12:23 |
| HedgeMage | Burgwork: Sept what and for base copy done or base + translations? | 12:23 |
| mhz | pygi: how many hours a day can you work on EHB ? | 12:24 |
| === HedgeMage wants more details first. | ||
| mhz | HedgeMage: same question | 12:24 |
| === mhz can work 1 or 2 hours a day on EHB | ||
| pygi | mhz: I cant really do an estimate, but last time me and Hedge wrote entire handbook in like few days/night probably | 12:24 |
| pygi | without sleep :) | 12:24 |
| pygi | all depends on how much I'll have to work on some other stuff | 12:25 |
| HedgeMage | The amazing part is that it made sense the next day | 12:25 |
| === pygi nods | ||
| HedgeMage | My life is unpredictable right now, but I'll probably average an hour a day and then do a huge burst at the end | 12:25 |
| HedgeMage | My usual MO is that I'm most productive with a looming deadline | 12:26 |
| mhz | yeah TT! | 12:26 |
| HedgeMage | that's why firm deadlines are important :) | 12:26 |
| mhz | yup, I agree | 12:26 |
| mhz | no deadline, i relax so much | 12:26 |
| HedgeMage | exactly | 12:26 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: maybe Yagisn can help us on Security chapters | 12:27 |
| mhz | Yagisan | 12:27 |
| HedgeMage | That's a great idea | 12:27 |
| Burgwork | HedgeMage, the freeze is for translation work | 12:28 |
| HedgeMage | I'm going to spend this weekend taking the docbook dump of the old stuff, slicing it up into chapter-sized chunks, and re-organizing it to match our current outline as much as possible | 12:28 |
| HedgeMage | it'll be on the temp repo by monday (hopefully) | 12:28 |
| Burgwork | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | 12:28 |
| Burgwork | that says Sept 14th | 12:28 |
| HedgeMage | I'd appreciate nagging from any well-meaning people :) | 12:28 |
| Burgwork | translations happen from that date until release | 12:29 |
| HedgeMage | Burgwork: thanks, so then we just need to adjust what we talked about by a couple of days. | 12:29 |
| HedgeMage | Okay, so final copies by Sept 8th, proofread by the 14th and everyone still try to get one chapter in early, say around Aug 30? | 12:30 |
| HedgeMage | Does that work? | 12:30 |
| === HedgeMage prods Burgwork, pygi, and mhz | ||
| mhz | Burgwork: very little tme to trasnlate or not? | 12:31 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: no, sept 1 all done I would say :) | 12:31 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: yeah, Sept 1st | 12:32 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: we want quality work... an extra week can do a lot. | 12:32 |
| === HedgeMage ponders | ||
| HedgeMage | compromise? Sept 1st for final drafts, Sept 8th for proofreading to be done? | 12:32 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: yes, indeed, proofread and last minute changes by Sep 10th? | 12:32 |
| Burgwork | mhz, that gives you about 6 weeks | 12:32 |
| HedgeMage | 0th, perfect. | 12:33 |
| HedgeMage | 10th even | 12:33 |
| HedgeMage | Anything else before we close up? Or shall we schedule our next meeting and adjourn? | 12:34 |
| mhz | let me get this right for minutes prupose | 12:35 |
| mhz | sep 1st -> freeze | 12:35 |
| mhz | ? | 12:35 |
| mhz | sep 2nd to 10th -> proofread and possible changes ? | 12:36 |
| HedgeMage | yep | 12:36 |
| HedgeMage | 11th and on is translation | 12:36 |
| mhz | until? | 12:36 |
| HedgeMage | September 29th We need to have the finished English versions and all translations that are ready... we can add late translations after that, if needed | 12:37 |
| HedgeMage | but if we think something (like Spanish) will be widely used, we should shoot for the 29th | 12:37 |
| mhz | oh, ok, it is from 11th to 29th -> tranlations | 12:37 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| === mhz wonders? | ||
| HedgeMage | wonders what? | 12:38 |
| === HedgeMage can't answer questions she doesn't know :P | ||
| === mhz wonders why HedgeMage nods about | ||
| === mhz realizes about it just now | ||
| HedgeMage | ahh, confirming 11-29 being translation time | 12:38 |
| mhz | yup | 12:39 |
| HedgeMage | I'll put this all on the Handbook LP calendar, too | 12:39 |
| mhz | and I'll put it on the minutes | 12:40 |
| HedgeMage | cool | 12:40 |
| HedgeMage | last thing... when to meet next? | 12:40 |
| mhz | 1 week? | 12:41 |
| mhz | weekly is good | 12:41 |
| HedgeMage | next friday good for everyone? | 12:42 |
| mhz | hmm, my only concern is times | 12:42 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: not for me probably, but oh well :-/ | 12:42 |
| HedgeMage | nothing on the fridge for that day, so we have our pick of times | 12:42 |
| mhz | I prefer early mornings | 12:42 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: when are you free then? | 12:42 |
| mhz | or after dinner | 12:42 |
| HedgeMage | mhz: I have no clue what time zone you are in so that doesn't help much :P | 12:42 |
| mhz | I am UTC -4 | 12:42 |
| HedgeMage | let alone when you eat dinner :P | 12:42 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: friday should be fine (perhaps) but anything after 4 UTC I probably wont be able to attend | 12:43 |
| mhz | therfore, my best choices are any time before 11UTC | 12:43 |
| mhz | or after 23 UTC | 12:43 |
| === HedgeMage figures out when 3 UTC is for her... | ||
| mhz | pygi: which TZ are you in? | 12:44 |
| HedgeMage | 8pm thursday night for me, I can do that next week but probably not regularly | 12:44 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: same question | 12:44 |
| mhz | but we can always rotate | 12:44 |
| pygi | mhz: UTC+2 I think | 12:44 |
| HedgeMage | I'm UTC -7 | 12:44 |
| pygi | ergh, I am GMT+2 | 12:44 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: so you are 15:40 ? | 12:45 |
| HedgeMage | yep | 12:45 |
| mhz | pygi: GMT = UTC | 12:45 |
| HedgeMage | mhz: only for half of the year | 12:45 |
| pygi | mhz: I know :P | 12:45 |
| mhz | oh | 12:45 |
| HedgeMage | mhz: GMT does daylight savings, UTC does not | 12:45 |
| === pygi nods | ||
| mhz | oh, that is the diff! | 12:46 |
| HedgeMage | yep :) | 12:46 |
| pygi | so please, whevener you want | 12:47 |
| pygi | I am not important | 12:47 |
| mhz | pygi: so you are 23:41? | 12:47 |
| HedgeMage | I'll brb TT needs help | 12:47 |
| pygi | mhz: 00:48? :) | 12:47 |
| mhz | ohh | 12:48 |
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| HedgeMage | so, meeting times? | 12:51 |
| HedgeMage | I can do UTC 3:00 Friday if need be | 12:52 |
| pygi | ergh, ok, I put it wrong :P | 12:52 |
| pygi | 16:00 UTC :P | 12:52 |
| pygi | *replace 4 UTC with 16 UTC | 12:53 |
| === mhz has done a spreadsheet to have it clear | ||
| HedgeMage | ok, mhz when before 16 UTC is good for you? | 12:55 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: sorry for mixup :( | 12:55 |
| HedgeMage | I need to sleep at some point, could we all do 15 UTC? | 12:56 |
| HedgeMage | mhz, pygi? | 12:57 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: based on my spreadsheet with our 3 TZs | 12:57 |
| pygi | sure | 12:57 |
| pygi | mhz: please do apply for team also | 12:57 |
| pygi | thanks | 12:57 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: could you do 13UTC? | 12:58 |
| HedgeMage | only if I have to... that's 6am here | 12:58 |
| mhz | oh, yeah, then 15 UTC | 12:59 |
| mhz | thursday? | 12:59 |
| mhz | fridays gimme the feeling of after meeting, nothing will be done | 12:59 |
| mhz | anyways, I dont want to be a pain | 01:00 |
| mhz | rotating is also good | 01:00 |
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| mhz | HedgeMage: pygi ? | 01:01 |
| mhz | pygi: team in LP? | 01:01 |
| pygi | mhz: yes, team in LP | 01:01 |
| mhz | so, 15 UTC thursday... good for everyone? | 01:02 |
| HedgeMage | sure :) | 01:02 |
| mhz | and if you need me to be up at anytime after 05 AM, no worries, I can be up if needed. | 01:03 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 01:03 |
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| mhz | as long as is not usual :) | 01:03 |
| HedgeMage | I'll see you all Thursday :) | 01:03 |
| mhz | thx | 01:03 |
| HedgeMage | Meeting over :D | 01:03 |
| mhz | cool | 01:03 |
| === HedgeMage goes back to #edubuntu | ||
| === mhz start minutes after a good coffee | ||
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| HedgeMage | :D | 01:03 |
| mhz | no TT | 01:04 |
| mhz | bye pygi , by Hawkwind | 01:04 |
| pygi | bye all :) | 01:04 |
| mhz | bye pygi , by HedgeMage | 01:04 |
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| pygi | enjoy mhz | 01:04 |
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