[12:10] <mhz> i mean, if the purpose is to be printed out for Edgy
[12:10] <mhz> I have no idea how long printing takes
[12:10] <mhz> I do know that if we can write a chapter in 2 weeks
[12:10] <mhz> it is just a matter of sum up
[12:11] <HedgeMage> I'd like to aim to be ready for translators by mid-november
[12:11] <mhz> so, this is "post-edgy"?
[12:11] <HedgeMage> ack meant september
[12:11] <HedgeMage> sorry brain cramp
[12:11] <mhz> your LISP!
[12:11] <mhz> hehehe
[12:11] <HedgeMage> hehe
[12:12] <pygi> mhz: they print same day you order
[12:12] <pygi> dont worry about that
[12:12] <mhz> well, if I am to write about light stuff and they way we use edubuntu, I know that in 2 months, I have plenty of time, considering my uneployment ;)
[12:13] <HedgeMage> heh
[12:13] <HedgeMage> Okay, so let's say September 15th for final drafts, September 22nd to have everything proofread?
[12:14] <HedgeMage> Sound good?
[12:14] <HedgeMage> Or would translators need more time?
[12:14] <mhz> rulz to me
[12:14] <mhz> depends..
[12:14] <HedgeMage> I've never done the translation thing, so I have no clue what they need.
[12:15] <mhz> I can translate into spanish about 4 or 6 pages a day, depending on how much I like/understand the subject
[12:15] <HedgeMage> I'm sure some things will be done earlier than the deadline (theoretically)
[12:15] <mhz> (that is professionally)
[12:15] <HedgeMage> cool
[12:16] <mhz> the thing is I have no idea how fast and good can a non-translator do
[12:16] <HedgeMage> How about this: we ask everyone doing >1 chapter to have at least one chapter done and proofed by September one, then the rest by the regular deadline?
[12:16] <mhz> I know some guys get 8 pages a day (each page is 250 words)
[12:16] <HedgeMage> That should give our translators a head start.
[12:17] <mhz> but I do not usually like the quality
[12:17] <mhz> HedgeMage: yeah!
[12:17] <mhz> good thinking
[12:17] <HedgeMage> quality is our #1 priority... if it's not easy to understand, docs are useless.
[12:17] <HedgeMage> Thanks!
[12:17] <HedgeMage> That sound good to everyone else?
[12:17] <mhz> HedgeMage: i'd suggest less time
[12:18] <mhz> HedgeMage: could you tell me what you understand by '1 chapter'
[12:18] <HedgeMage> pygi: can you rephrase that, I'm finding it hard to parse
[12:18] <HedgeMage> mhz: if you look at EdgyOutline, I'd consider each of the bulleted items to be a chapter
[12:19] <mhz> pygi: i guess she means post-edgy basically considering how many hands we have
[12:19] <pygi> mhz: right, but we dont want that :P
[12:19] <mhz> yeah
[12:19] <mhz> but do we have more people now?
[12:19] <HedgeMage> wait, who said what about post-edgy?
[12:19] <pygi> well, not really, but we have dedicated people :)
[12:19] <pygi> HedgeMage: nothing, dont worry
[12:20] <HedgeMage> (not that that's unusual)
[12:20] <pygi> dont be, lets continue
[12:20] <mhz> okis
[12:20] <HedgeMage> OK
[12:21] <HedgeMage> Last order of business: any idea where we could look for 2-3 more good contributors?
[12:21] <mhz> my guess is
[12:21] <mhz> the most consuming task is proofreading
[12:21] <mhz> esp. considering that I am not native speaker of english
[12:22] <HedgeMage> I *might* have two proofreaders for us... teachers my mom knows who are interested in edubuntu
[12:22] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, ideally, it would be nice if you could hit the docteam string freeze
[12:22] <mhz> I hardly get contributors in spanish for edubuntu :(
[12:22] <Burgwork> that is sept
[12:22] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: sept what?
[12:22] <mhz> Burgwork: that is not for translations, or with it
[12:22] <mhz> ?
[12:22] <pygi> Burgwork: sept 1?
[12:23] <pygi> HedgeMage: I think we could do it by that date
[12:23] <mhz> yeah
[12:23] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: Sept what and for base copy done or base + translations?
[12:24] <mhz> pygi: how many hours a day can you work on EHB ?
[12:24] <mhz> HedgeMage: same question 
[12:24] <pygi> mhz: I cant really do an estimate, but last time me and Hedge wrote entire handbook in like few days/night probably
[12:24] <pygi> without sleep :)
[12:25] <pygi> all depends on how much I'll have to work on some other stuff
[12:25] <HedgeMage> The amazing part is that it made sense the next day
[12:25] <HedgeMage> My life is unpredictable right now, but I'll probably average an hour a day and then do a huge burst at the end
[12:26] <HedgeMage> My usual MO is that I'm most productive with a looming deadline
[12:26] <mhz> yeah TT!
[12:26] <HedgeMage> that's why firm deadlines are important :)
[12:26] <mhz> yup, I agree
[12:26] <mhz> no deadline, i relax so much
[12:26] <HedgeMage> exactly
[12:27] <mhz> HedgeMage: maybe Yagisn can help us on Security chapters
[12:27] <mhz> Yagisan
[12:27] <HedgeMage> That's a great idea
[12:28] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, the freeze is for translation work
[12:28] <HedgeMage> I'm going to spend this weekend taking the docbook dump of the old stuff, slicing it up into chapter-sized chunks, and re-organizing it to match our current outline as much as possible
[12:28] <HedgeMage> it'll be on the temp repo by monday (hopefully) 
[12:28] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[12:28] <Burgwork> that says Sept 14th
[12:28] <HedgeMage> I'd appreciate nagging from any well-meaning people :)
[12:29] <Burgwork> translations happen from that date until release
[12:29] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: thanks, so then we just need to adjust what we talked about by a couple of days.
[12:30] <HedgeMage> Okay, so final copies by Sept 8th, proofread by the 14th and everyone still try to get one chapter in early, say around Aug 30?
[12:30] <HedgeMage> Does that work?
[12:31] <mhz> Burgwork: very little tme to trasnlate or not?
[12:31] <pygi> HedgeMage: no, sept 1 all done I would say :)
[12:32] <mhz> HedgeMage: yeah, Sept 1st
[12:32] <HedgeMage> pygi: we want quality work... an extra week can do a lot.
[12:32] <HedgeMage> compromise? Sept 1st for final drafts, Sept 8th for proofreading to be done?
[12:32] <mhz> HedgeMage: yes, indeed, proofread and last minute changes by Sep 10th?
[12:32] <Burgwork> mhz, that gives you about 6 weeks
[12:33] <HedgeMage> 0th, perfect.
[12:33] <HedgeMage> 10th even
[12:34] <HedgeMage> Anything else before we close up? Or shall we schedule our next meeting and adjourn?
[12:35] <mhz> let me get this right for minutes prupose
[12:35] <mhz> sep 1st -> freeze
[12:35] <mhz> ?
[12:36] <mhz> sep 2nd to 10th -> proofread and possible changes ?
[12:36] <HedgeMage> yep
[12:36] <HedgeMage> 11th and on is translation
[12:36] <mhz> until?
[12:37] <HedgeMage> September 29th We need to have the finished English versions and all translations that are ready... we can add late translations after that, if needed
[12:37] <HedgeMage> but if we think something (like Spanish) will be widely used, we should shoot for the 29th
[12:37] <mhz> oh, ok, it is from 11th to 29th -> tranlations
[12:38] <HedgeMage> wonders what?
[12:38] <HedgeMage> ahh, confirming 11-29 being translation time
[12:39] <mhz> yup
[12:39] <HedgeMage> I'll put this all on the Handbook LP calendar, too
[12:40] <mhz> and I'll put it on the minutes
[12:40] <HedgeMage> cool
[12:40] <HedgeMage> last thing... when to meet next?
[12:41] <mhz> 1 week?
[12:41] <mhz> weekly is good
[12:42] <HedgeMage> next friday good for everyone?
[12:42] <mhz> hmm, my only concern is times
[12:42] <pygi> HedgeMage: not for me probably, but oh well :-/
[12:42] <HedgeMage> nothing on the fridge for that day, so we have our pick of times
[12:42] <mhz> I prefer early mornings
[12:42] <HedgeMage> pygi: when are you free then?
[12:42] <mhz> or after dinner
[12:42] <HedgeMage> mhz: I have no clue what time zone you are in so that doesn't help much :P
[12:42] <mhz> I am UTC -4
[12:42] <HedgeMage> let alone when you eat dinner :P
[12:43] <pygi> HedgeMage: friday should be fine (perhaps) but anything after 4 UTC I probably wont be able to attend
[12:43] <mhz> therfore, my best choices are any time before  11UTC
[12:43] <mhz> or after 23 UTC
[12:44] <mhz> pygi: which TZ are you in?
[12:44] <HedgeMage> 8pm thursday night for me, I can do that next week but probably not regularly
[12:44] <mhz> HedgeMage: same question
[12:44] <mhz> but we can always rotate
[12:44] <pygi> mhz: UTC+2 I think
[12:44] <HedgeMage> I'm UTC -7
[12:44] <pygi> ergh, I am GMT+2
[12:45] <mhz> HedgeMage: so you are  15:40 ?
[12:45] <HedgeMage> yep
[12:45] <mhz> pygi: GMT = UTC
[12:45] <HedgeMage> mhz: only for half of the year
[12:45] <pygi> mhz: I know :P
[12:45] <mhz> oh
[12:45] <HedgeMage> mhz: GMT does daylight savings, UTC does not
[12:46] <mhz> oh, that is the diff!
[12:46] <HedgeMage> yep :)
[12:47] <pygi> so please, whevener you want
[12:47] <pygi> I am not important
[12:47] <mhz> pygi: so you are 23:41?
[12:47] <HedgeMage> I'll brb TT needs help
[12:47] <pygi> mhz: 00:48? :)
[12:48] <mhz> ohh
[12:51] <HedgeMage> so, meeting times?
[12:52] <HedgeMage> I can do UTC 3:00 Friday if need be
[12:52] <pygi> ergh, ok, I put it wrong :P
[12:52] <pygi> 16:00 UTC :P
[12:53] <pygi> *replace 4 UTC with 16 UTC
[12:55] <HedgeMage> ok, mhz when before 16 UTC is good for you?
[12:55] <pygi> HedgeMage: sorry for mixup :(
[12:56] <HedgeMage> I need to sleep at some point, could we all do 15 UTC?
[12:57] <HedgeMage> mhz, pygi?
[12:57] <mhz> HedgeMage: based on my spreadsheet with our 3 TZs
[12:57] <pygi> sure
[12:57] <pygi> mhz: please do apply for team also
[12:57] <pygi> thanks
[12:58] <mhz> HedgeMage: could you do 13UTC?
[12:58] <HedgeMage> only if I have to... that's 6am here
[12:59] <mhz> oh, yeah, then 15 UTC
[12:59] <mhz> thursday?
[12:59] <mhz> fridays gimme the feeling of after meeting, nothing will be done
[01:00] <mhz> anyways, I dont want to be a pain
[01:00] <mhz> rotating is also good
[01:01] <mhz> HedgeMage: pygi ?
[01:01] <mhz> pygi: team in LP?
[01:01] <pygi> mhz: yes, team in LP
[01:02] <mhz> so, 15 UTC thursday... good for everyone?
[01:02] <HedgeMage> sure :)
[01:03] <mhz> and if you need me to be up at anytime after 05 AM, no worries, I can be up if needed.
[01:03] <HedgeMage> :)
[01:03] <mhz> as long as is not usual :)
[01:03] <HedgeMage> I'll see you all Thursday :)
[01:03] <mhz> thx
[01:03] <HedgeMage> Meeting over :D
[01:03] <mhz> cool
[01:03] <HedgeMage> :D
[01:04] <mhz> no TT
[01:04] <mhz> bye pygi , by Hawkwind 
[01:04] <pygi> bye all :)
[01:04] <mhz> bye pygi , by HedgeMage 
[01:04] <pygi> enjoy mhz