[12:10] i mean, if the purpose is to be printed out for Edgy [12:10] I have no idea how long printing takes [12:10] I do know that if we can write a chapter in 2 weeks [12:10] it is just a matter of sum up [12:11] I'd like to aim to be ready for translators by mid-november [12:11] so, this is "post-edgy"? [12:11] ack meant september [12:11] sorry brain cramp [12:11] your LISP! [12:11] hehehe [12:11] hehe [12:12] mhz: they print same day you order [12:12] dont worry about that [12:12] well, if I am to write about light stuff and they way we use edubuntu, I know that in 2 months, I have plenty of time, considering my uneployment ;) [12:13] heh [12:13] Okay, so let's say September 15th for final drafts, September 22nd to have everything proofread? [12:14] Sound good? [12:14] Or would translators need more time? [12:14] rulz to me [12:14] depends.. [12:14] I've never done the translation thing, so I have no clue what they need. [12:15] I can translate into spanish about 4 or 6 pages a day, depending on how much I like/understand the subject [12:15] I'm sure some things will be done earlier than the deadline (theoretically) [12:15] (that is professionally) === HedgeMage nods === pygi thinks hosting guys seriously need some kicking === mhz is Translator and Interpreter [12:15] cool [12:16] the thing is I have no idea how fast and good can a non-translator do [12:16] How about this: we ask everyone doing >1 chapter to have at least one chapter done and proofed by September one, then the rest by the regular deadline? [12:16] I know some guys get 8 pages a day (each page is 250 words) [12:16] That should give our translators a head start. [12:17] but I do not usually like the quality [12:17] HedgeMage: yeah! [12:17] good thinking [12:17] quality is our #1 priority... if it's not easy to understand, docs are useless. [12:17] Thanks! [12:17] That sound good to everyone else? [12:17] HedgeMage: i'd suggest less time === pygi nods, he's just concerned why are we doing post-edgy when freeze is soon anyway [12:18] HedgeMage: could you tell me what you understand by '1 chapter' [12:18] pygi: can you rephrase that, I'm finding it hard to parse [12:18] mhz: if you look at EdgyOutline, I'd consider each of the bulleted items to be a chapter [12:19] pygi: i guess she means post-edgy basically considering how many hands we have [12:19] mhz: right, but we dont want that :P [12:19] yeah [12:19] but do we have more people now? [12:19] wait, who said what about post-edgy? [12:19] well, not really, but we have dedicated people :) === HedgeMage is totally lost [12:19] HedgeMage: nothing, dont worry === HedgeMage is confused. [12:20] (not that that's unusual) [12:20] dont be, lets continue [12:20] okis [12:20] OK [12:21] Last order of business: any idea where we could look for 2-3 more good contributors? [12:21] my guess is [12:21] the most consuming task is proofreading [12:21] esp. considering that I am not native speaker of english [12:22] I *might* have two proofreaders for us... teachers my mom knows who are interested in edubuntu [12:22] HedgeMage, ideally, it would be nice if you could hit the docteam string freeze [12:22] I hardly get contributors in spanish for edubuntu :( [12:22] that is sept [12:22] Burgwork: sept what? [12:22] Burgwork: that is not for translations, or with it [12:22] ? [12:22] Burgwork: sept 1? [12:23] HedgeMage: I think we could do it by that date [12:23] yeah [12:23] Burgwork: Sept what and for base copy done or base + translations? [12:24] pygi: how many hours a day can you work on EHB ? === HedgeMage wants more details first. [12:24] HedgeMage: same question === mhz can work 1 or 2 hours a day on EHB [12:24] mhz: I cant really do an estimate, but last time me and Hedge wrote entire handbook in like few days/night probably [12:24] without sleep :) [12:25] all depends on how much I'll have to work on some other stuff [12:25] The amazing part is that it made sense the next day === pygi nods [12:25] My life is unpredictable right now, but I'll probably average an hour a day and then do a huge burst at the end [12:26] My usual MO is that I'm most productive with a looming deadline [12:26] yeah TT! [12:26] that's why firm deadlines are important :) [12:26] yup, I agree [12:26] no deadline, i relax so much [12:26] exactly [12:27] HedgeMage: maybe Yagisn can help us on Security chapters [12:27] Yagisan [12:27] That's a great idea [12:28] HedgeMage, the freeze is for translation work [12:28] I'm going to spend this weekend taking the docbook dump of the old stuff, slicing it up into chapter-sized chunks, and re-organizing it to match our current outline as much as possible [12:28] it'll be on the temp repo by monday (hopefully) [12:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule [12:28] that says Sept 14th [12:28] I'd appreciate nagging from any well-meaning people :) [12:29] translations happen from that date until release [12:29] Burgwork: thanks, so then we just need to adjust what we talked about by a couple of days. [12:30] Okay, so final copies by Sept 8th, proofread by the 14th and everyone still try to get one chapter in early, say around Aug 30? [12:30] Does that work? === HedgeMage prods Burgwork, pygi, and mhz [12:31] Burgwork: very little tme to trasnlate or not? [12:31] HedgeMage: no, sept 1 all done I would say :) [12:32] HedgeMage: yeah, Sept 1st [12:32] pygi: we want quality work... an extra week can do a lot. === HedgeMage ponders [12:32] compromise? Sept 1st for final drafts, Sept 8th for proofreading to be done? [12:32] HedgeMage: yes, indeed, proofread and last minute changes by Sep 10th? [12:32] mhz, that gives you about 6 weeks [12:33] 0th, perfect. [12:33] 10th even [12:34] Anything else before we close up? Or shall we schedule our next meeting and adjourn? [12:35] let me get this right for minutes prupose [12:35] sep 1st -> freeze [12:35] ? [12:36] sep 2nd to 10th -> proofread and possible changes ? [12:36] yep [12:36] 11th and on is translation [12:36] until? [12:37] September 29th We need to have the finished English versions and all translations that are ready... we can add late translations after that, if needed [12:37] but if we think something (like Spanish) will be widely used, we should shoot for the 29th [12:37] oh, ok, it is from 11th to 29th -> tranlations === HedgeMage nods === mhz wonders? [12:38] wonders what? === HedgeMage can't answer questions she doesn't know :P === mhz wonders why HedgeMage nods about === mhz realizes about it just now [12:38] ahh, confirming 11-29 being translation time [12:39] yup [12:39] I'll put this all on the Handbook LP calendar, too [12:40] and I'll put it on the minutes [12:40] cool [12:40] last thing... when to meet next? [12:41] 1 week? [12:41] weekly is good [12:42] next friday good for everyone? [12:42] hmm, my only concern is times [12:42] HedgeMage: not for me probably, but oh well :-/ [12:42] nothing on the fridge for that day, so we have our pick of times [12:42] I prefer early mornings [12:42] pygi: when are you free then? [12:42] or after dinner [12:42] mhz: I have no clue what time zone you are in so that doesn't help much :P [12:42] I am UTC -4 [12:42] let alone when you eat dinner :P [12:43] HedgeMage: friday should be fine (perhaps) but anything after 4 UTC I probably wont be able to attend [12:43] therfore, my best choices are any time before 11UTC [12:43] or after 23 UTC === HedgeMage figures out when 3 UTC is for her... [12:44] pygi: which TZ are you in? [12:44] 8pm thursday night for me, I can do that next week but probably not regularly [12:44] HedgeMage: same question [12:44] but we can always rotate [12:44] mhz: UTC+2 I think [12:44] I'm UTC -7 [12:44] ergh, I am GMT+2 [12:45] HedgeMage: so you are 15:40 ? [12:45] yep [12:45] pygi: GMT = UTC [12:45] mhz: only for half of the year [12:45] mhz: I know :P [12:45] oh [12:45] mhz: GMT does daylight savings, UTC does not === pygi nods [12:46] oh, that is the diff! [12:46] yep :) [12:47] so please, whevener you want [12:47] I am not important [12:47] pygi: so you are 23:41? [12:47] I'll brb TT needs help [12:47] mhz: 00:48? :) [12:48] ohh === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:51] so, meeting times? [12:52] I can do UTC 3:00 Friday if need be [12:52] ergh, ok, I put it wrong :P [12:52] 16:00 UTC :P [12:53] *replace 4 UTC with 16 UTC === mhz has done a spreadsheet to have it clear [12:55] ok, mhz when before 16 UTC is good for you? [12:55] HedgeMage: sorry for mixup :( [12:56] I need to sleep at some point, could we all do 15 UTC? [12:57] mhz, pygi? [12:57] HedgeMage: based on my spreadsheet with our 3 TZs [12:57] sure [12:57] mhz: please do apply for team also [12:57] thanks [12:58] HedgeMage: could you do 13UTC? [12:58] only if I have to... that's 6am here [12:59] oh, yeah, then 15 UTC [12:59] thursday? [12:59] fridays gimme the feeling of after meeting, nothing will be done [01:00] anyways, I dont want to be a pain [01:00] rotating is also good === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@167.246.8.60] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:01] HedgeMage: pygi ? [01:01] pygi: team in LP? [01:01] mhz: yes, team in LP [01:02] so, 15 UTC thursday... good for everyone? [01:02] sure :) [01:03] and if you need me to be up at anytime after 05 AM, no worries, I can be up if needed. 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