[12:16] wow! [12:16] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/XubuntuEdgy/Proposals [12:16] Excellent ideas for look and feel [12:17] it does look professional, modern, hot, edgy === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-248-176.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [12:31] Is anyone here going to be at LugRadio tomorrow? [12:31] I'll be there. [12:32] what's on it? === DanielC doesn't understand the question [12:32] Mark will be speaking... there's an Ubuntu booth... [12:32] what is LugRadio? [12:32] ah [12:33] It's sort of like a conference, but it gets podcasted. [12:33] very informal [12:33] neato [12:33] You can expect to see people making fun of Microsoft and stuff. Nothing too serious. [12:33] Today there was a Microsoft guy talking about security :) [12:34] I missed that talk, I would have loved to see the crowd's reaction. [12:35] I met Henrik today! [12:35] (at LugRadio) [12:37] DanielC: henrik as in hno73? [12:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HenrikOmma [12:38] that henrik [12:38] yeah, nice guy [12:38] I don't know if that is hno73 [12:38] yup [12:38] ok [12:38] ot 75 [12:38] or === mhz always gets confused [12:39] I gave a presentation about OpenDocument, and demonstrated a viewer. After the talked he asked me about making an accessible version. [12:40] Turns out that a basic fully-accessible ODF reader is easy given the work we've already done. [12:40] cool! [12:40] yeah, Hnerik is one of the leaders of a11y team [12:40] in ubuntu [12:41] The viewer works by turning ODF into HTML and giving it to Gecko. To make an accessible one, just give the HTML to lynx instead. [12:41] ooh [12:41] simple idea [12:41] seems to be effective [12:41] yup [12:50] eurkea!!! [12:50] ? [12:50] Schooltool Login Info: [12:50] user -> manager [12:50] pwd -> schooltool [12:50] http://localhost:7080 === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@about/cooking/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-161-59.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [01:30] anyone have any experience with freenx? === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [01:31] I never got it working :/ === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_food === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:27] Hello again [02:27] hi [02:29] I just made a port of EdubuntuColors to the Candido GTK Engine [02:29] screenshot! === Viper550 going to switch over to his Linux computer === Amaranth loves candido === Viper550 [n=viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:40] Sorry for the slowness, but did someone ask for a screenshot? [02:41] ye [02:41] s [02:41] http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=edubuntucandidola2.png [02:42] I'm not sure what to look for but that looks nice [02:47] LaserJock: Do you have the Candido GTK engine yet? [02:47] not sure, I don't really use X much, tbh [02:48] Really? [02:48] So that means you use IRSSI as your IRC client too right? [02:48] yeah [02:48] But, how were you able to view my image? Let me guess, it's running in gnome-terminal, right? [02:48] I like X but I usually have to ssh into my Ubuntu boxes [02:49] So you use a Gnome Terminal in X to ssh to your systems? [02:49] well, I'm usually in OS X so I use a terminal [02:49] but I copy the URL and use firefox [02:50] so I use GUI somewhat, but not Linux GUI [02:50] I also VNC if I *need* GUI [02:51] here's how bad it is ATM [02:51] don't laugh or spear me [02:51] I'm using PuttY to ssh from Windows into my mac running OS X to use irssi [02:51] WOAH! [02:52] You know, they do have X-Chat for Windows [02:52] http://www.silverex.org/news/ === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-10-33-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:53] hi all [02:53] Viper550: yeah, but my mac is on 24x7 [02:53] Cool [02:54] it's the only computer I have access to that is on all the time [02:54] so that's were I do irssi from [02:54] I also have Xchat on my Windows laptop but I don't use it so much === mhz_food is now known as mhz === bddebian uses xchat and putty on WIndows constantly [03:28] well, if my Ubuntu box was ever on I'd use that [03:28] but it eats up electricity and makes the whole room hot in the summer [03:33] mhz: ping! [03:36] HedgeMage: pong [03:36] yeah, I have not sent the minute [03:37] hehe [03:37] you read my mind :) [03:37] Have an ETA or should I pull up logs and try to find time to do it? [03:38] ETA? [03:39] HedgeMage: I know I will send it during next hour [03:39] no later than that [03:39] Estimated Time of Availability/Arrival [03:39] Thanks! you rock :) === mhz has been doing many stuff for Edubuntu in Chile :( [03:39] np, I know you're busy [03:39] HedgeMage: nah, I only rock when I get kisses :D === HedgeMage smooches mhz [03:40] not that busy, but yes, not very good at defining priorities among many to dos :D === mhz wishes more chileans were involved to attend the needs we have on IT for Education, at least a quarter of the people we have on this channel === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-64-222-48-152.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz goes upstairs to tell a story to his daughter [03:43] th1a: hey! [03:43] th1a: I have a couple of questions fo ryou if possble === mhz will be back in 15 minutes === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-10-33-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:15] re [04:15] th1a: oing [04:15] p [04:16] http://www.realistanew.com/random/freenx.png <--now i can break things in safety === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:20] Amaranth: what wall paper are you using? [04:20] I have no idea, I found it on deviantart. [04:22] http://www.deviantart.com/view/25814423/ [04:22] found it :) === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@126-13-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [04:57] mhz: pong [04:57] th1a: got a sec? [04:57] Yeah. [04:58] th1a: I am testing some apps shiped default in Edubuntu [04:58] as you know, Schooltool is [04:58] however, we don't provide any info [04:59] about it [04:59] Indeed. [04:59] it took me over 1 hour to get login info via google [04:59] Yes, that is a problem. [04:59] because you were not on channel [04:59] :) [04:59] and people who were, never answered [05:00] There is a README... [05:00] I tried to test CanDo, too. [05:00] So what should we do? [05:00] the url is broken [05:00] /usr/share/schooltool [05:00] has no readme [05:01] I don't know anything about the details of packaging. [05:01] yeah, [05:01] We have a README in our source. [05:01] hence I am very interested on providing info about ir [05:02] th1a: my main interest is getting very aquainted with SchoolTool as well as with CanDo [05:02] esp. if Edubuntu will continue shipping it [05:02] I have tried it for about 50 minutes [05:02] and still can't delete any TT [05:03] even after getting Access correctly [05:03] etc [05:03] mhz: The packages are rather out of date. [05:03] oh [05:03] We've been writing a ton of code, which wouldn't be ready for Dapper. [05:03] hrm [05:04] th1a: oh, i see [05:04] using ltsp to change the proxy settings for every user i'd just have to change the debconf and base gconf proxy settings on the server, right? [05:05] For Breezy, we had a calendar; [05:05] in Edgy we'll have a basic student information system. [05:05] th1a: also, I am writing stuff for Edubuntu Handbook, esp. Edubuntu for lighter pc's. I believe SchoolTool deserves a subchapter [05:05] But right now, we just have an alpha student information system, [05:05] which we couldn't put in Dapper. [05:05] mhz: Yes, indeed. [05:05] Amaranth: hmm, no idea. I know ogra had an 'episode' with iwj about it [05:06] Amaranth: i am sure Yagisan is an expert on security issues [05:06] mhz: yeah, probably about transparent proxying :) [05:06] oops, just left [05:06] heheh [05:06] mhz: We're not quite at the point where I want to spend a lot of time writing docs. [05:06] the original idea for willowng was transparent proxying, now i'm doing the debconf and gconf stuff [05:06] th1a: I am [05:07] We just changed around the basic navigational paradigm (now, with tabs!), and similar key things are just settling down. [05:07] however, maybe not a "lot of writing" but at least a decent amount of paragraphs [05:07] We also just completely changed access control, for example. [05:07] mhz: Are we thinking for Edgy or current users? [05:08] yup [05:08] Which? [05:10] edgy [05:10] sorry [05:10] I missed last 2 words :) [05:10] edgy [05:10] OK. [05:10] hence my concern [05:10] What's your time frame? [05:10] and personally, because I am demoing Edubuntu at least once or twice a week [05:10] to diff lab teachers [05:11] Sep 1st, freeze [05:11] (freeze for Edubuntu Handbook [05:11] OK. How many pages are we talking? [05:11] 2 -> 10 th proofread and last minute changes === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:11] 11 -> 29 th, translations [05:12] th1a: I want to write at least 10 lines per each funcionality in SchoolTool [05:12] and hopefully a screenshoot [05:13] mhz: Well, we're planning on releasing our first test packages for Edgy real soon now, probably in about a week. [05:13] That would be the place for you to start, I think. [05:14] I'll certainly help. [05:16] th1a: THANK you very much [05:17] I am sure that if I can test everything shipped, I can write those 10 lines per feature [05:17] th1a: are you on track for your 2006 goals> [05:17] mhz: Also, I'm going to be spending most of August setting up SchoolTool instances for various schools, which should make it easy for me to know what needs to be written. [05:17] Burgundavia: Erhm... we're a bit behind. [05:17] ehhee, yeah, good. [05:17] th1a: lack of people? [05:18] th1a: and how about CanDo? [05:18] Development via paid contractors is not proving to be reliably fast, at least as managed by me. [05:19] mhz: CanDo is on schedule... but it is a more conventional project. That is, they're scratching their own itch. [05:19] oohh [05:19] Scratching the world's itch is inherently more difficult. [05:20] how does cando fit into schooltool? [05:20] I am little confused on that point [05:20] CanDo is like a module, or set of modules. [05:20] It is focused on competency tracking. [05:20] ok [05:20] But we did a lot of work with their developers to share important parts of the data model for assessment in general. [05:21] so it plugs into schooltool? [05:21] CanDo is a very needed tool in school envs. [05:21] It is also a case where last years CanDo and this year's CanDo are totally different. [05:21] Usually, many schools in Chile are adopting Moodle. However, Competency Tracking is very important [05:22] how does moodle fit into schooltool? [05:22] Last year's was kind of a crude bolt-on job, but now we have it more properly integrated. [05:22] Well, we need to share data with Moodle. [05:22] Moodle understands courses, but not the structure of schools as a whole. [05:22] is that where SIF comes in? [05:22] Bingo! [05:23] We're kind of at this point where we either adopt a neutral standard or talking to Moodle becomes the defacto standard. [05:24] Although there are also IMS standards for sharing data with learning management systems like Moodle, [05:24] SIF? [05:24] but IMS has a very elearning-centric view of the universe, whereas SIF is more general. [05:24] mhz: SIF: the Schools Interoperability Framework - http://www.sifinfo.org [05:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_Interoperability_Framework [05:25] It is kind of a weird case, because it is an open standard with only proprietary implementation at this point. === mhz would love to create courses via MoinMoin wiki, admin schools basics via CanDo and SchoolTool, and all as a Platform [05:26] I've been writing some code for an open source "Zone Integration Server" which is basically an XML router that SIF depends on. [05:26] It is going pretty well. [05:27] nice === mhz knows th1a is one of the superheroes of FLOSS for Education === th1a blushes. [05:27] http://sifsoft.com/trac [05:27] th1a: how well are you doing with paid vs volunteers devs? [05:28] Well, SchoolTool has always experienced the effect of paid development severely dampening volunteer development, [05:28] plus not many people know Zope 3. [05:28] th1a: and, so Moodle will be, or it could be Moin to create courses instead? (then it is all python) [05:29] hmm, issues [05:29] Well... you just need some kind of platform-neutral way of moving them around. [05:29] There are a bunch of elearning standards for content packaging and interoperability. [05:30] Plus SchoolTool proper (i.e., the part Mark funds) is specifically NOT for holding content. [05:30] hey tom [05:30] yeah, actually, I am still not sure if supporting Exelearning or Edubuntu Study Content (edu content via APT) [05:31] (exelearning can get you SCORM) [05:31] So we have a gradebook, assignment events, but not literally lessons. [05:31] jsgotangco: Hi. [05:31] yup [05:32] and CanDo will add that interesting part === elmago55 [n=alberto@201.124.95.103] has joined #edubuntu [05:32] Hola [05:32] elmago55: hi [05:33] mhz: CanDo is still mostly pointing to external lessons. [05:33] yup [05:33] interesting extra part [05:33] I meant [05:34] I have been asked many times "I need to evaluate competencies" [05:34] not "memory" [05:35] mhz: What part of the world are you in? [05:35] Chile [05:35] Ah. Interesting. [05:35] we'll have a kind of moodle congress sponsored by people in CEPAL [05:36] IIRC, Center of Studies for Latin America [05:36] CanDo is having a sprint next week, and I think we'll be starting to package their release for the fall school year. [05:37] nice, I have been looking up a demo server unsuccessfully yet [05:38] Yeah... they're pretty much done, so we should be able to work on that. [05:38] the one on the site just does not exist :) [05:41] The problem with open source projects based at an individual school: you can write code quickly, but all the other infrastructure of running an open source project is hard to maintain, because you don't have a lot of extra resources. [05:42] indeed [05:42] +1 [05:44] At the same time, it was hard getting them to move all their documents, etc., off their school's site and onto schooltool.org. The teachers involved were more comfortable with their own site. [05:44] So I pretty much gave up on that. [05:44] we almost need a company to be behind schooltool [05:44] somebody to offer support services, etc. [05:45] We do. [05:45] Mainly we need to finish it. [05:45] yep [05:45] you think you will spin off much like highvoltage and his crew just did? [05:46] We're already spun off TSF... [05:46] oh? [05:46] I mean, the history is that SchoolTool was one of the first TSF projects, years ago, [05:47] Burgundavia: I do [05:47] :D [05:47] Burgundavia: I have a workgroup called Tecnocimiento [05:47] Before Mark was a cosmonaut, even. [05:47] we were meant to be a foundation in Chile but we just cant afford to [05:47] so, we are a "workgroup" [05:48] we provide support to Schools implementing Edubuntu [05:48] Anyhow, that first TSF-managed version blew up in a blaze of Java, [05:48] we demo edubuntu at least 1 or 2 times every week to diff lab teachers [05:48] and the TSF vowed to not try to manage a large software project again (or at least that's how I understand the tale). [05:49] So Mark hired Steve Alexander and Programmers of Vilnius to start writing a new version. [05:49] It was Mark's focus briefly, between going into space and starting Canonical. [05:49] lol [05:49] So I work directly for Mark. [05:50] yes, I read that blog post of marks [05:50] ok, next question: what is schoolbell? [05:51] Well, that was another bright idea... [05:51] Essentially we tried spinning of just the calendar server. [05:51] Hoping that would attract some volunteer development in its own right. [05:51] and how did that work? [05:51] It didn't, for various reasons. [05:51] ah [05:52] so schoolbell is now an integral part again? [05:52] We might have had some chance with it if we'd relicensed more of it as BSD-ish instead of GPL. [05:52] why BSDish? [05:52] Or if Zope 3 had become more popular. [05:53] Well, more people might have used the iCalendar libraries if they had been BSD, LGPL, or similar. [05:53] ah [05:53] That came up on discussions about Python and calendaring at the time. [05:54] So the source tree has been reorganized and in theory we can produce a SchoolBell package from our SchoolTool source tree, but we don't have any time to actually try it out. [05:54] We have other priorities. === mhz is now known as mhz_off === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === th1a is now known as th1a|sleep === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@about/cooking/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@126-13-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_off is now known as mhz === arkan0x is now known as arkan0x_off === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [08:02] mornin [08:02] night for me yet [08:03] cbx33: hey [08:04] hi mhz [08:04] cbx33: what's your TZ? [08:04] howz it all going [08:04] GMT [08:04] oh, here we are GMT -4 :( [08:04] 7 am here [08:04] cbx33: lecaros is one of the few people actively helping me in Chile with Edubuntu [08:04] ah,.......hi lecaros [08:04] hi cbx33 [08:05] mhz, did you say you were goign to start ranslating the ESA? [08:05] sip [08:05] i mean [08:05] yup [08:05] :D [08:05] cbx33: why? [08:06] no reason [08:06] brb [08:09] buu [08:10] I think cbx33 wants to help us ;) [08:10] nah [08:11] he wrote ESA [08:21] right I'm off guys [08:21] take care === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_off === Phlosten [n=Phlosten@CPE-143-238-105-83.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [09:00] hi all [09:02] hello :) [09:02] hi Phlosten [09:03] damn wiki is down, so I am here for enlightenment [09:05] on what? [09:05] getting a client to boot from Edubuntu [09:06] from what I gather a standard Edubuntu install is ready to go in terms of a client booting from it [09:06] pretty much... I'm no LTSP guru, though. I've only really done the standalone stuff. [09:06] Phlosten: http://edubuntu.org/GettingStarted [09:07] HedgeMage: one up from me. I have never actually installed edubuntu [09:07] Burgundavia: *gasp* [09:07] Burgundavia: we will have to remedy that :P [09:07] right [09:07] I got as far as downloading it the other day [09:08] that's a good first step, I guess :P [09:08] now I created a netboot disk for my old machine and it boots up until a point where it says,.."Searching for server (DHCP)...No IP Address" [09:09] you need to generate teh dhcp information, I believe [09:09] for the boot disk? [09:09] or is it server config [09:09] on the server config [09:14] ok, bbl === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [09:34] bye guys === melle [n=melle@unaffiliated/melle] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === melle [n=melle@unaffiliated/melle] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED9A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [12:07] hi all [12:07] has somebody an idea which ltsp somebody is using if he needs to activate xdmcp?? === Hannes_ [i=hannes@dna252-174.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #edubuntu === Hannes_ [i=hannes@dna252-174.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has left #edubuntu [] [01:37] juliux: the ltsp.org ltsp works with xdmcp [01:50] spacey, ah, but the user said he only installed edubuntu [02:11] then you don't need xdmcp [02:11] if he uses the ubuntu variant [02:12] i ask him for the output from dpkg -l ltsp-server so we can see which version is realy installed === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [04:06] Howdy === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-10-33-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:13] hi, is there any problem with the ubuntu pages? === marcel` [n=marcel`@unaffiliated/marcel/x-00001] has joined #edubuntu [04:20] hi, im not really a teacher or anything but i like the concept is it ok if i stick arround? [04:23] Only if you get to work. ;-) [04:23] As in my day job? [04:23] I was thinking as in helping with Edubuntu, but I was joking anyway. :) [04:25] Ah oke well i just installed edubuntu today so i doubt if i can help you guys but maybe when i get more experienced whit linux.. [04:28] Actually all joking aside, just getting user feedback can be good. [04:31] ok well just ask if you want me to test anything or want my opion or something like that :) === sloncho [n=sloncho_@c-67-190-212-221.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:03] hi. how do i start text mode install. i do not want the graphical installer [05:03] the gpartitioner sucks big time === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-64-222-48-152.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@pc-84-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:11] how do i start text mode install. i do not want the graphical installer [05:13] RichEd: hi there [05:13] RichEd: get my "short" email ? [05:24] hi mhz [05:25] juliux: hey! good to see ya [05:25] mhz, how are you? [05:26] juliux: very motivated to work next 3 days on edubuntu only stuff === mhz is unemployed so, while looking for a job... edubuntu is my # priority [05:26] mhz, great [05:26] juliux: how about you? [05:26] good [05:27] i will fly back to germany in 3 hours [05:28] where are you? [05:36] in lonodn [05:36] london [05:37] cu later === ryan_naruto [n=ryan@203.87.200.214] has joined #edubuntu === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:58] Hello again everyone === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED9A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:53] hmm, is it me or there are some issues when trying to connect to ubuntu sites_ [06:54] ? [07:06] mhz: not its not just you there are many ubuntu services down atm [07:06] marcel`: oh, thanks for checking too [07:07] and I had convinced my wife to let me use a couple of hours on Edubuntu stuff it is on the sites ?) [07:07] :( === mhz is using diff xmodmap now... so fingers still go to other keys [07:25] mhz: thanks for the Handbook meeting minutes :) [07:26] mhz: you can work on handbook, the unofficial repo is unaffected ;) [07:26] speaking of which, you need commit access. [07:27] HedgeMage: yeah, your kisses work miracles === mhz gotta get familiar with SVN, though === HedgeMage kisses mhz [07:28] mhz: I wrote up a "basics" email for a couple of other people not used to it... shall I send it to you, too? [07:29] why not [07:29] yeah === mhz get the kisses and jumps in === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-244-248.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [07:32] hehe === pygi tickles HedgeMage [07:36] mhz: send to mhz@ubuntu.com? [07:36] hi pygi :) === highvoltage [n=jono@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [07:40] hi highvoltage [07:40] did you get my jabber messages from earlier? === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@126-13-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [07:54] hi guys === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [07:55] netsplit? [07:55] lol [07:56] between kisses and tickles.. [07:56] HedgeMage: i haven't logged in yet... just a moment... [07:56] and getting wet by spry [07:56]