[12:08] <jontec> jhak88: wow. What are you using to connect to the internet? and what is your release version?
[12:08] <sensei> My one month with ubuntu tho heh
[12:08] <cpk2> yeah ubuntu is by far the easiest distro i have seen
[12:08] <sensei> Never been afraid of having root terminals, so I've never really bothered that much with sudo
[12:08] <jhak88> jontec: um... wireless... and release version for what?
[12:08] <sensei> Indeed it is
[12:08] <jontec> jhak88:for kubuntu
[12:09] <Sarnuial> can i have some help getting kubuntu to boot?
[12:09] <LouKall> grrr
[12:09] <jontec> jhak88: as in Breezy, Dapper?
[12:09] <Sarnuial> it boots, loads the casper menu
[12:09] <Sarnuial> then freezes at mounting root file system
[12:09] <sensei> In fact, I have my desktop under root on my slackware machine :)
[12:10] <gatekeeper> LjL: hiya, [Re-exploit]  Asked my wireless router to update the firmware, but apparently there were no updates, I am using konversation, should I modify the ports in DCC section, current 1025 -> 7000?
[12:10] <DaSkreech> cpk2: I used to have a blaring red background with all the fonts red
[12:10] <jhak88> jontec: Kubuntu, 6.6 Dapper
[12:10] <cpk2> personally i think its annoying always having to use sudo
[12:10] <rlj> smartctl -H says it's healthy, checking info on smartctl -a now
[12:10] <jontec> jhak88: is it still waiting at that prompt?
[12:10] <sensei> cpk2: Yeah, I hear you
[12:11] <cpk2> root login you only have to do it once
[12:11] <cpk2> instead of sudo 50 times
[12:11] <jhak88> jontec: yes >_>;;
[12:11] <ubuntu_> hello
[12:11] <cpk2> or sudo !! 50 times
[12:11] <ubuntu_> who speak in spanish ???
[12:11] <LouKall> speaks*
[12:11] <jontec> jhak88: what's I'm thinking now is that you should run Konsole to reinstall it.
[12:11] <sensei> That's why I've got root as my main user on my other box
[12:11] <cpk2> no hablamos espanol
[12:11] <ubuntu_> o rai
[12:11] <ubuntu_> yo tampoco
[12:12] <jontec> jhak88: because it has obviously donwloaded the package
[12:12] <gatekeeper> cpk2: sudo su providing you keep the konsol/terminal open
[12:12] <jontec> jhak88: downloaded*
[12:12] <rlj> disk shift is an interesting value, right?
[12:12] <ubuntu_> saludos a todos los participantes
[12:12] <rlj> the total shift of the platters compared to the correct placement?
[12:12] <jontec> jhak88: so cancel the install and then close adept
[12:12] <ubuntu_> quisiera saber quien me puede explicar linux desde encender el equipo para adelante
[12:13] <LjL> gatekeeper: uh, honestly i have no idea how wireless routers work :(
[12:13] <LjL> !es
[12:13] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:13] <jhak88> I closed it
[12:13] <ubuntu_> thanks
[12:13] <sensei> ubotu: Asarfint du! Fattar allt du sger.. visst r detta roligt?
[12:13] <jhak88> jontec: do I restart the adept Manager again?
[12:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about Asarfint du! Fattar allt du sger.. visst r detta roligt? - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:13] <sensei> ubuntu_: ^^
[12:14] <rlj> sensei: jag tror det r engelska som gller hr
[12:14] <gatekeeper> LjL: seem to remember you saying something about using different ports?
[12:14] <jontec> jhak88: we're going to use Konsole this time
[12:14] <sensei> rlj: Yeah, I'm under that impression too :)
[12:14] <DaSkreech> !es
[12:14] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:14] <LjL> sensei: va?
[12:14] <gatekeeper> LjL: was a couple of night ago :-)
[12:14] <jontec> jhak88: the command is "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree reinstall"
[12:14] <sensei> LjL: ? :)
[12:15] <LjL> sensei: ingenting, undrade bara varfr du fann det som ubotu sa roligt :P
[12:15] <LjL> but let's all be back to english
[12:15] <jhak88> jontec:
[12:15] <jhak88> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail                                         able)
[12:15] <jhak88> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                                         ess using it?
[12:16] <sensei> LjL: Ah.. I didn't find it funny.. I wrote to the wrong person.. So I meant ^^ as in "what I said previosuly"
[12:16] <cpk2> jhak88: is synaptic/adept open?
[12:16] <sensei> As an arrow rather than a smiley :)
[12:16] <jontec> jhak88: I had that error ealier today
[12:16] <jhak88> I don't see the manager open... how do I check it?
[12:16] <LjL> gatekeeper: uh the exploit, right - no you shouldn't change DCC ports, you should *connect to the server* using its port 8001 (iirc). i.e. use the command /server irc.freenode.org 8001 to connect (or set the port in konversation's settings, wherever they are)
[12:17] <jontec> jhak88: in all honesty what I did was wait and try logging off and logging back in. It might even mean that you need to wait for it
[12:17] <jontec> jhak88:what do you mean don't see the manager open?
[12:17] <||Trayer||> !wow
[12:17] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[12:18] <jontec> jhak88: okay, sorry I see what you mean now, you were responding to someone else
[12:18] <jontec> jhak88: try the command again
[12:18] <jhak88> jontec: ~confused~ okay
[12:18] <gatekeeper> LjL: right, thanx, will take a look
[12:19] <jhak88> jontec: error message:
[12:19] <jhak88> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:19] <jhak88> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:19] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Hi
[12:19] <LjL> !paste
[12:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:19] <LjL> jhak88: close any package manager that you have open, and try again
[12:19] <jontec> jhak88: try logging off and logging back on. and if that doesn't work then we shall wait for about five minutes
[12:20] <DaSkreech> HI aseigo
[12:20] <tackat> yo aseigo
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Anyone knows anything about Xen and Vanderpool?
[12:20] <aseigo> howdy
[12:22] <LouKall> how does one install VCD gear?
[12:23] <rlj> another related question, where is the current syslog stored in the kubuntu livecd environment? it seems to me that /var/log/messages is just empty and all new changes are appended to /var/log/messages.0 instead. is this the way it's supposed to be or am i looking in the wrong place?
[12:23] <jhak88> jontec: guess I have to wait for 5 min?
[12:23] <jontec> jhak88: have you tried the command once more?
[12:23] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Whats that?
[12:23] <jontec> jhak88: I believe so.
[12:23] <LouKall> VCD Gear is a DVD playback thingy majiggar
[12:23] <jhak88> jontec: It gave me the same message
[12:23] <jontec> in the mean time let's check to see if the file is in your .deb directory
[12:23] <jontec> okay
[12:24] <supertanker> what happens if I use Adept to remove the package "adept"?
[12:24] <jontec> jhak88:open up some folder or your home folder and then insert the address: "/var/cache/apt/archives"
[12:25] <DaSkreech> supertanker: Then you remove adept
[12:25] <LouKall> five files or so in the main file.
[12:25] <supertanker> ah. Bad idea?
[12:25] <jontec> jhak88: just opening Konqueror works as well
[12:25] <DaSkreech> supertanker: Nope
[12:25] <DaSkreech> GUess he removed konversation :)
[12:25] <cpk2> lol
[12:25] <LouKall> lmao.
[12:25] <jhak88> jontec: okay
[12:25] <LouKall> DaSkreech: do you have any ideas?
[12:26] <DaSkreech> LouKall: I don't know what that is so no
[12:26] <LouKall> grr.
[12:26] <jontec> jhak88:it should be something like flashplugin-nonfree followed by numbers and something with ubuntu as well
[12:26] <rlj> aseigo: in a kubuntu unrelated question, do you know anything about the appeal project "coolness" mentioned on appeal.kde.org? are these visual effect ideas developed seperately (it seems to me from the contents of the page that it's pre-plasma) or are these ideas being merged into plasma, or not developed at all?
[12:27] <DaSkreech> LouKall: What is it>
[12:27] <jontec> jhak88: I'm in the folder now and mine looks like: flashplugin-nonfree_7.0.63.3ubuntu3_i386
[12:27] <LouKall> Its a DVD player thingy.
[12:27] <LouKall> i have five files in the main file.
[12:28] <jhak88> jontec: I have the exact same one
[12:28] <DaSkreech> rlj: as fas as I unnderstand it appeal is the collection of all the visual stuff that is in KDE4
[12:28] <DaSkreech> So all of them together are appeal
[12:28] <LouKall> CDI, lang, Changelog, Credits, vcdgear, vcdgear.cfg
[12:28] <jhak88> But why not Flash version 8?
[12:28] <jontec> jhak88: okay, so when it's time to try the command again we know that it will use the package that's been downloaded already
[12:28] <jontec> I think that this version is the newest that we have
[12:28] <Hawkwind> Flash 8 won't ever be released for Linux
[12:29] <Hawkwind> We'll get Flash 9, but not til after the first of the year
[12:29] <jontec> yeah just what I was going to say
[12:29] <jontec> is there a specific reason that you need 7?
[12:30] <jontec> jhak88: * i mean need 8
[12:30] <Hawkwind> Most all sites require flash 8 now.  Very few use flash 7 anymore
[12:31] <jhak88> jontec; Hawkwind: Because flash 7 player cannot run the 8 objects properly
[12:31] <jmichaelx> yeah, i have run into quite a few that require 8
[12:31] <jontec> I did not realize that. Wow. I haven't had any problems with flash other than the ones that need shockwave
[12:31] <jmichaelx> even a lot of junk on yahoo! needs 8
[12:31] <Hawkwind> jhak88: Correct.  I'm well aware of that :)
[12:32] <intelikey> what might cause kde to only open apps for root and not for users ?
[12:32] <jontec> 'looks like we've reached the enod of my knowledge, then, ahaha.
[12:32] <jontec> end*
[12:32] <jhak88> jontec; Hawkwind; jmichaelx: So there's no Flash 8 plugin for linux users?
[12:32] <jhak88> and is the Flash 9 coming out soon?
[12:32] <jmichaelx> jhak88: no, not as far as i am aware
[12:33] <intelikey> flash   yuch
[12:33] <jmichaelx> jhak88: i am sure there will be an update of flash for linux in the near future
[12:33] <Hawkwind> jhak88: Read what I said.  No new flash for Linux until after the first of the year
[12:33] <jmichaelx> may not be 8, may be 9, but there will eventually be an upgrade'
[12:33] <Hawkwind> We were supposed to get 8.5 but the developers decided against it
[12:34] <jmichaelx> i can live with 7 for a good while yet
[12:34] <jhak88> jmichaelx; Hawkwind: I have to get 8 or higher, I love those flash movies posted on Newgrounds and such and I can't watch them properly ;_;
[12:34] <jmichaelx> hmm, never heard of newgrounds
[12:34] <Bazzi> jhak88: so what about wine or vmware?
[12:34] <Hawkwind> jhak88: Then you better run Windows.  You can NOT get flash 8 for Linux, and you never will be able to
[12:35] <jmichaelx> jhak88: you will have to use windows for those for  the next several months, it sounds
[12:35] <jhak88> jmichaelx: Gah... stupid windows :P
[12:35] <ninHer> hi all
[12:35] <Bazzi> I've read that firefox+flash+shockwave runs under wine pretty well
[12:35] <jmichaelx> jhak88: i know, i have windows on 2 PCs and a laptop, but only boot it up once a week or less
[12:35] <jhak88> jimichaelx; Bazzi: Well at least I'm dual-booting it
[12:36] <jhak88> okay... another issue then
[12:36] <Bazzi> jhak88: well, you should better vmware one :)
[12:36] <Bazzi> works better :)
[12:36] <jmichaelx> jhak88: you could try wine, like Bazzi suggested
[12:36] <jhak88> I have Intel GMA900 , and if I run a OpenGL screensaver, its screen is moved upwards
[12:37] <jhak88> meaning, the screensaver screen is not align with my monitor
[12:37] <jhak88> but the accelerator works fine
[12:37] <jmichaelx> i am installing the new MEPIS on a machine right now:-D
[12:38] <jontec> anyone who will listen: I found an interesting article on the web about Flash 8, mainly complaints: http://www.mepis.org/node/9948
[12:40] <rlj> i'm wondering whether i should bother with captive-ntfs for my win partition on this machine. it's a bit against my complete-free-os philosophy though. question is on the other hand why i keep windows at all...
[12:40] <jhak88> jmichaelx: okay, another issue
[12:40] <rlj> if it wasn't for half-life 2... ;)
[12:40] <cpk2> rlj: wine?
[12:40] <intelikey> why do people use flash ?
[12:40] <rlj> well, wine is very nice and i use it for icewind dale (which is great great game btw)
[12:41] <jhak88> jmichaelx: I have Intel GMA900 graphics, and when I open OpenGL screensaver, the screen is not aligned with the monitor
[12:41] <jmichaelx> i have kept windows on three machines out of my fear that i will need a crutch, but honestly, i should get rid of it on all but maybe one machine
[12:41] <rlj> but i don't think wine is yet in the stage to do state of the art 3g games properly unfortunately
[12:41] <cpk2> i think you would be surprised
[12:41] <jmichaelx> jhak88: i saw that you said that, and am scratching my head, but i don't know why that would be
[12:41] <cpk2> cedega seems to be pretty good
[12:41] <BlankB> !sources
[12:41] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:41] <rlj> especially since this laptop is running an ati radeon xpress 200m, which can't even run properly with hw 3d acceleration using the ati proprietary drivers....
[12:41] <BlankB> !easysource
[12:41] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:42] <LouKall> anybody know how to use VCD?
[12:42] <rlj> so i'm not really bothering with 3d in linux for now
[12:42] <rlj> until the xorg ati driver matures
[12:42] <rlj> or the fglrx does and i decide i want it after all
[12:42] <intelikey> rlj that's a hardware issue  not a software one.
[12:42] <rlj> why so?
[12:42] <jhak88> jmichaelx: well I gatta go, and thanks for helping me (who just started using Linux yesterday;;;)
[12:43] <BlankB> is something wrong with us.archive.ubuntu.com or is it me....or is there a better server to use?
[12:43] <rlj> *how so
[12:43] <cpk2> BlankB: yes
[12:43] <BlankB> cpk2: yes to all 3? 8)
[12:43] <cpk2> BlankB: as a temporary solution you can open up your sources.list and remove us. from all entries that have it
[12:43] <rlj> intelikey: how so?
[12:43] <jmichaelx> jhak88: rock on,
[12:44] <BlankB> cpk2: thanks. I will give it a try.
[12:44] <intelikey> when a hardware manufacturer makes cards that they specificly design so that only one software will work with it,  it's "falty hardware design"
[12:44] <cpk2> BlankB: yes to one maybe to 2 and not really to 3 =P
[12:44] <DaSkreech> LouKall: What are you trying to do?
[12:44] <LouKall> im trying to view the Directors Cut of Donnie Darko
[12:44] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I think it's a software issue :)
[12:44] <LouKall> and it has a .bin and a .cue file
[12:44] <BlankB> cpk2: that worked. Thanks.
[12:44] <LouKall> someone told me on here that VCD Gear is the only way to go.
[12:45] <abattoir> LouKall: open the .bin w/ mplayer
[12:45] <aseigo> rlj: i don't think coolness moved far since the author got busy at uni
[12:45] <LouKall> ill have to get that real quick.
[12:45] <LouKall> sudo apt-get install mplayer?
[12:45] <abattoir> !info mplayer
[12:45] <aseigo> rlj: seli (kwin dude) has added support for plugins that can do such things in kwin via composition managers for kde4 however
[12:45] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In repository multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 3265 kB, installed size 7916 kB
[12:45] <intelikey> DaSkreech software issues generally occure where the software is 'supposed to work'    no?
[12:45] <abattoir> LouKall: yup, if you have multiverse enabled
[12:45] <DaSkreech> aseigo: I that was Lunak?
[12:45] <aseigo> rlj: what is needed now is for people to start playing with that support and seeing what kind of effects can be done.. in other words, we have the beginning of an infrastructure
[12:46] <LouKall> what do you mean by multiverse?
[12:46] <aseigo> DaSkreech: seli ... lubos lunak .. same guy ... yep
[12:46] <DaSkreech> Ah ha!  :-)
[12:46] <abattoir> !multiverse > LouKall
[12:46] <DaSkreech> Now I know who to thank ;-)
[12:46] <abattoir> LouKall: follow those instructions :)
[12:46] <LouKall> haha.
[12:46] <LouKall> okay.
[12:47] <intelikey> DaSkreech like saying my linux can't ride a bicycle therefore it's a software issue....
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Well ti is
[12:47] <jmichaelx> whoever thinks that mplayer is the ultimate movie player has ricks in his head..... streaming content still has a long way to go in linux
[12:47] <jmichaelx> rocks*
[12:47] <DaSkreech> I'm pretty sure with the right software I could get Linux to ride a bicycle
[12:47] <intelikey> no the bicycle wasn't "made" for linux.
[12:47] <LouKall> so what do i go with jmike?
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Nothing is made FOR linux
[12:47] <intelikey> or windows for that matter.
[12:48] <rlj> aseigo: ah, excellent news. i like those effects :)
[12:48] <DaSkreech> Therefore it shouldn't work :-P
[12:48] <jmichaelx> mplayer is the way to go, LouKall, but you will have issues off and on
[12:48] <DaSkreech> rlj: Note there are no actual effects :)
[12:48] <DaSkreech> Just a framework
[12:48] <LouKall> okay.
[12:48] <LouKall> what do i do to install it.
[12:48] <intelikey> DaSkreech sure things are 'made for linux'  anything opensourse is 'made for linux'
[12:48] <rlj> aseigo: so do all these things do transparency and stuff hw accelerated using the xorg composition system?
[12:48] <jmichaelx> sometimes xine works when mplayer doesn't
[12:48] <abattoir> LouKall: i just gave you instructions
[12:48] <DaSkreech> aseigo: I honestly think that more drums should be beat about that though so more people can jump into kwin
[12:49] <rlj> aseigo: or does this stuff require an xgl x server?
[12:49] <DaSkreech> intelikey: You have opensource hardware?
[12:49] <abattoir> LouKall: enable the multiverse repository
[12:49] <rlj> aseigo: the former i assume
[12:49] <intelikey> yup
[12:49] <abattoir> LouKall: then, you'd find it in adept, or you could do a 'sudo apt-get install mplayer'
[12:49] <aseigo> rlj: it just requires a composition manager really
[12:49] <rlj> DaSkreech: of course. would be worse though with hackish effects and no real framework to build on :)
[12:49] <aseigo> rlj: how rendering happens is almost an implementation detail of the cm
[12:49] <DaSkreech> rlj: Well framework and no effects is kinda pointless
[12:50] <LouKall> there was just information on the links you gave me.
[12:50] <LouKall> which i have read before.
[12:50] <aseigo> .. at least not if you expect to run opengl apps at the same time
[12:50] <abattoir> LouKall: then enable multiverse...
[12:50] <abattoir> LouKall: or do you already have it enabled?
[12:50] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Read the info?
[12:50] <rlj> DaSkreech: at least a better foundation (if indeed the framework is usable)
[12:51] <intelikey> LouKall what ya trying to do ?
[12:51] <LouKall> ive read the info.
[12:51] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, see in adept if you have 'mplayer' or do a 'sudo apt-get install mplayer', tell us what it says
[12:52] <LouKall> lists out...
[12:52] <LouKall> kmplayer-base
[12:52] <LouKall> kmplayer-doc
[12:52] <abattoir> LouKall: 'mplayer'
[12:52] <LouKall> kmplayer-konq0plugins.
[12:52] <abattoir> LouKall: 'MPLAYER'
[12:52] <LouKall> haha
[12:52] <cpk2> lol
[12:52] <LouKall> i understand that.
[12:52] <LouKall> how do i change to multiverse from Adept?
[12:53] <DaSkreech> Anyone has any info on Xen and the AMD VT?
[12:53] <rlj> so the concept of the xgl x server implies to use opengl as the low level graphics system (with vendor specific drivers for the cards or mesa for software) and build all x display systems on top of opengl, instead of having x drivers directly implementing the x systems for particular hardware, thus removing the necessity for x graphics card drivers and simply relying on opengl drivers?
[12:53] <intelikey> !repos
[12:53] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:53] <intelikey> LouKall ^
[12:53] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Adept is Multiverse :)
[12:53] <abattoir> LouKall: if you read those instructions properly, you'd know that multiverse is a section....
[12:53] <LjL> rlj: think so
[12:53] <cpk2> LouKall: open up sources.list and uncomment it
[12:53] <rlj> LjL: sounds like a pretty good idea to me then :)
[12:53] <LjL> to me too
[12:53] <DaSkreech> LouKall: You have kmplayer in the list?
[12:54] <abattoir> LouKall: which contains extra packages... hence to get these packages... you need to enable 'multiverse'
[12:54] <rlj> LjL: it does mean all old systems with non-3d or not-very-3d cards will run a mesa driver then?
[12:54] <LouKall> right.
[12:54] <abattoir> LouKall: RTFM :P
[12:54] <LouKall> but.
[12:54] <LjL> rlj: i think it means they'll use the old drivers, rather
[12:54] <rlj> LjL: how does this work? mesa doesn't have hardware interfaces for these cards, does it?
[12:54] <rlj> ah
[12:54] <LouKall> i am so fookin lost@
[12:54] <LouKall> oh god.
[12:54] <DaSkreech> LouKall: I"m going to PM ok?
[12:54] <LouKall> okay.
[12:54] <LjL> rlj: i suppose a moment will come when those machines will simply not be supported anymore. but i think it's quite far from here
[12:55] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, chill, read what i give again, properly, make sure you do exactly what it says
[12:55] <abattoir> LouKall: oh, well
[12:55] <LouKall> alrighty.
[12:55] <intelikey> i don't know why i can't launch apps in kde (user login)   but i can in (root login)
[12:55] <cpk2> LouKall: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list make sure you have multiverse and universe in there
[12:55] <intelikey> ?
[12:55] <cpk2> !easysource
[12:55] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:55] <jontec> why in the world isn't there any information on bridge-utils!?! -.-
[12:55] <cpk2> if you need the repos you can get them from that website
[12:56] <aseigo> wow. running 2 opengl apps on my laptop actually destroys the xserver ...
[12:56] <aseigo> nice.
[12:56] <abattoir> !info bridge-utils
[12:56] <ubotu> bridge-utils: Utilities for configuring the Linux ethernet bridge. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.0.6-1build1 (dapper), package size 24 kB, installed size 144 kB
[12:56] <DaSkreech> aseigo:I just need one :0
[12:56] <abattoir> jontec: you mean documentation?
[12:56] <aseigo> DaSkreech: =)
[12:56] <intelikey> jontec why are there like half the commands on the *buntu system that have no man page ???
[12:56] <DaSkreech> LouKall: can you see my Message?
[12:56] <aseigo> DaSkreech: problem is with xgl and aiglx is that one is always running
[12:56] <LouKall> source.list is open.
[12:56] <LouKall> nothing is in it.
[12:56] <aseigo> DaSkreech: meaning that your one gl app would actually make 2
[12:56] <LouKall> i cant see it.
[12:57] <DaSkreech> Ok type /msg Daskreech Hello
[12:57] <LouKall> im really sorry to be so ignorant
[12:57] <cpk2> LouKall: its sourceS.list
[12:57] <cpk2> sources
[12:57] <cpk2> not source
[12:57] <jmichaelx> LouKall: just go to that source-o-matic webpage and follow its instructions
[12:57] <jontec> jontec:I know!
[12:57] <DaSkreech> LouKall: No problem :) We are here to help
[12:57] <intelikey> LouKall no it's not LouKall you just made a new empty 'sources.list'
[12:57] <jontec> wait. lol
[12:57] <LouKall> there we go.
[12:57] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, just listen do DaSkreech
[12:57] <abattoir> hehe
[12:57] <jontec> yes! I cannot find anything?
[12:58] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Ok you have sources.list open in kate?
[12:58] <intelikey> LouKall the sources.list the system uses is in  /etc/apt/
[12:58] <abattoir> jontec: anything in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils ?
[12:59] <LouKall> yes i have.
[12:59] <LouKall> it open.
[12:59] <LouKall> theres nothing in these files.
[12:59] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[12:59] <DaSkreech> Ok
[01:00] <DaSkreech> !easysource
[01:00] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:00] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Go to that page
[01:00] <LouKall> okey.
[01:01] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Let me know when it loads
[01:01] <LouKall> yeah its loaded.
[01:01] <DaSkreech> damn
[01:02] <LouKall> lmao.
[01:02] <DaSkreech> OK the drop down box choose your version of Kubuntu
[01:02] <LouKall> shush. i have wireless...its ME thats the 56k'r
[01:02] <DaSkreech> Dapper or Breezy
[01:03] <LouKall> i believe i am still on breezy
[01:03] <DaSkreech> Ok
[01:03] <DaSkreech> Want to make sure of that?
[01:03] <LouKall> heh, yeah.
[01:03] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[01:03] <DaSkreech> type that
[01:03] <intelikey> assuming lsb-release is installed...
[01:04] <DaSkreech> intelikey: It should
[01:04] <abattoir> intelikey: isnt it standard?
[01:04] <abattoir> atleast w/ ubuntu
[01:04] <LouKall> Dapper!
[01:04] <intelikey> no.  it is by default.   that does not mean 'it should be'  :)
[01:04] <DaSkreech> I think it's part of ubutu-base
[01:04] <LouKall> good thing i didnt pick breezy.
[01:04] <LouKall> yeah i guess i did upgrade last week.
[01:04] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Then dapper it ;-)
[01:04] <LouKall> haha, okay.
[01:04] <DaSkreech> I assume you are on a Intel/AMD machine?
[01:04] <LouKall> i386 im guessin
[01:05] <LouKall> yep
[01:05] <DaSkreech> Yup
[01:05] <rlj> oh
[01:05] <DaSkreech> Ok select updates and Security updates
[01:05] <LouKall> alrigthy.
[01:05] <rlj> and any reason for me to go for the 64-bit kubuntu instead on my new install (which will be a pretty standard desktop system)?
[01:05] <DaSkreech> And check the first four boxes going down
[01:06] <LouKall> selected.
[01:06] <rlj> wine does not work as easily on a native x86_64 system, does it?
[01:06] <LouKall> on the right?
[01:06] <abattoir> rlj: if you want flash installation, java installation etc. to be a hassle.... :P
[01:06] <DaSkreech> Yes
[01:06] <LouKall> okay.
[01:06] <DaSkreech> You want the new amarok? :-)
[01:06] <BluesKaj> no rlj, too many programs won't work with the 64
[01:06] <LouKall> Packages, Sources, Packages, Sources...
[01:06] <LouKall> mmmm
[01:06] <BluesKaj> I already tried it
[01:06] <rlj> right, i386 it is for now then
[01:06] <rlj> or the k7 sources
[01:06] <LouKall> im using XMMS right ow.
[01:06] <rlj> since i'm on k8
[01:06] <LouKall> now*
[01:07] <LouKall> i cant get AmaroK to play my stupid Mp3s
[01:07] <rlj> well it's not even sources anymore. too used to my gentoo box
[01:07] <rlj> =)
[01:07] <DaSkreech> OK then press get me sources.list button :)
[01:07] <DaSkreech> LouKall: I can fix that if you like
[01:07] <abattoir> LouKall: that's another issue, you are partly solving it now :)
[01:07] <LouKall> okay.
[01:07] <LouKall> haha.
[01:07] <LouKall> woot!
[01:07] <LouKall> there we go.
[01:07] <DaSkreech> So want it?
[01:07] <LouKall> i have some sort of file.
[01:07] <LouKall> yeah.
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> rlj: If you don't mind a little bit of messing around you could use amd64 (if no one uses it there is no point in having an amd64 version)
[01:08] <LouKall> it would make things easier.
[01:08] <LouKall> i like AmaroK
[01:08] <DaSkreech> Alrighty go back then :)
[01:08] <LouKall> hehe
[01:08] <LouKall> okay.
[01:08] <LouKall> im back there.
[01:08] <DaSkreech> make sure you have all your old stuff selected
[01:09] <LouKall> yep.
[01:09] <LouKall> got em.
[01:09] <LouKall> lmao on the Penguin Liberation Front.
[01:09] <DaSkreech> and scroll down looking for kubuntu.org packages for KDE and Kubuntu.org packages for amarok
[01:09] <LouKall> cracks me up.
[01:09] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[01:09] <LouKall> okey. selected the four of those.
[01:09] <DaSkreech> Penguins want to be free!!
[01:09] <LouKall> hahahahahah
[01:09] <rlj> h3sp4wn: i think actually it's mainly wine messyness preventing me from the a64 version for now
[01:10] <DaSkreech> OK Give me a sources.list!
[01:10] <LouKall> okey.
[01:10] <LouKall> got one in Kate
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> rlj: You can 32 bit under a chroot
[01:10] <DaSkreech> save it
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> rlj: with schroot accessing the chroot can be pretty transparant
[01:10] <rlj> h3sp4wn: yah i know. that would waste a bit of disk space though for all 32bit libs
[01:11] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: can I edgy under a chroot?
[01:11] <LouKall> okay.
[01:11] <LouKall> supposed to have a .tmp filetype?
[01:11] <rlj> h3sp4wn: i think i'd rather wait for it to be handled a bit more transparently if possible
[01:11] <DaSkreech> LouKall: And it's saved in /etc/apt right?
[01:11] <LouKall> not yet ;P)
[01:11] <cpk2> hopefully he saved it as /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <DaSkreech> cpk2: Yeah ;)
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Yep pretty easily (I have a seperate one to try dist-upgrading with incase it breaks first)
[01:12] <rlj> or find a good reason why i need 64bits right now
[01:12] <DaSkreech> LouKall: ok save it as /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:12] <DaSkreech> and then reopen it to make sure that it's correct
[01:12] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: How does that work?
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Make sure you download the latest version of debootstrap (and you can debootstrap edgy directly)
[01:12] <DaSkreech> You login then chroot and you are nor edgy?
[01:12] <LouKall> whaaaaaaatttt
[01:12] <DaSkreech> no
[01:12] <DaSkreech> now
[01:13] <DaSkreech> LouKall: What?
[01:13] <LouKall> i dont have write access?
[01:13] <LouKall> [crying] 
[01:13] <BluesKaj> <AMD 64 Athlon CPU , running x86 kubuntu and it runs fine
[01:13] <LouKall> haha.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> LouKall: That's right :-)
[01:13] <LouKall> grr.
[01:13] <LouKall> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/apt/sources.list.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> LouKall: type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:13] <LouKall> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[01:13] <LouKall> okay.
[01:13] <DaSkreech> That should open a kate with write access
[01:13] <z00m> anyone know overflows with a amd64but cpu and amd64bit kubuntu kernel ?
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: My main system is running edyg also but recently I became abit more paranoid than before (so I have it in a chroot also) - you can use dchroot or schroot to put yourself into the chroot transparantly
[01:14] <cpk2> LouKall: do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:14] <cpk2> DaSkreech: beat me to it
[01:14] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Any docs on this?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> I've just used chroot to unscrew screwed systems from a live CD
[01:14] <LouKall> that gave me access.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Never tried a main machine with GUI
[01:14] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Ok so it's saved and you are good now?
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Use the docs for setting up a 32 bit chroot under amd 64 (but get the very latest version of debootstrap)
[01:15] <LouKall> grr. no.
[01:15] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: ok thanks well do
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: (it won't break anything it only depends on /bin/sh
[01:15] <DaSkreech> LouKall: What's up?
[01:15] <LouKall> can i just copy and paste it?
[01:15] <LouKall> the souce file
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Yes
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: (i.e install the edgy debootstrap onto dapper)
[01:16] <LouKall> its actually showing something in the origninal, now, though.
[01:16] <el_isma> Hello. Does anybody know how to make more "flashy" notifications in KDE? Right now aMSN only changes it's text... But I don't notice it. I'd like some flashing colors...
[01:16] <DaSkreech> LouKall: :-)
[01:16] <coachJ> trying to import bookmarks from Firefox into Opera, can someone help?
[01:17] <DaSkreech> coachJ: I think that opera may have an import button
[01:17] <LouKall> okay its saved from the source.list that was given me.
[01:17] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Ok so you are  good now?
[01:17] <coachJ> it does but the dir firefox uses does shoe in the dig box
[01:17] <LouKall> it says the exact same thing as the one given to me.
[01:17] <DaSkreech> open adept and hit reload
[01:17] <LouKall> and it allowed me to save.
[01:17] <el_isma> coachJ: Try File->Import and export ->  Import Netscape/Firefox
[01:17] <DaSkreech> coachJ: It's ~/.mozilla/firefox I think
[01:18] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Open adept and hit reload
[01:18] <coachJ> i thoght i did that i'll try again
[01:18] <LouKall> okay.
[01:19] <DaSkreech> LouKall: ok now look for mplayer
[01:20] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Do you understand what you just did?
[01:20] <LouKall> mir. it gave me even less!
[01:20] <DaSkreech> even less?
[01:20] <LouKall> haha, you kidding? no. did i change to multiverse?
[01:20] <coachJ> worked thka
[01:20] <LouKall> kmplayer-base
[01:20] <LouKall> and kmplayer-konq-plugins
[01:20] <DaSkreech> LouKall: Open /etc/apt/sources.list and find multiverse
[01:20] <LouKall> haha
[01:20] <LouKall> okay.
[01:21] <DaSkreech> There you go
[01:21] <coachJ> DaSkreech: It worked thks
[01:22] <LouKall> what do you mean by find it though? there are a couple of lines withit on it.
[01:22] <coachJ> Opera looks good!
[01:23] <LouKall> i would give up, but ive heard this movie is really sharp
[01:23] <LouKall> plus, who gives up these days/
[01:24] <abattoir> LouKall: any of those lines have 'dapper'?
[01:24] <abattoir> LouKall: not 'dapper-backports'
[01:24] <LouKall> nope.
[01:24] <LouKall> most say breezy.
[01:24] <LouKall> why is that
[01:24] <LouKall> i asked for dapper
[01:24] <LouKall> thats whats wrong.
[01:24] <LouKall> damnit.
[01:24] <aegeanlinux> LjL: How good at C are you?
[01:24] <abattoir> LouKall: hmmm... ok, could you change those to dapper?
[01:25] <abattoir> LouKall: or do you want to paste it so that i  can have a look at it?
[01:25] <rlj> i noticed last time i installed kubuntu dapper that the livecd seems to set the system locale to en_AU for some reason on an english system with swedish keyboard layout. i thought this was rather weird
[01:25] <abattoir> LouKall: are you sure you overwrote the old sources.list file?
[01:25] <LouKall> yeah.
[01:25] <LouKall> i did.
[01:25] <rlj> s/livecd/livecd gui installer
[01:25] <abattoir> LouKall: because its common to have 'breezy' entries if you upgraded
[01:25] <LouKall> it must of switched on me when i wanted to do Amarok and such.
[01:25] <LouKall> hold on.
[01:26] <LouKall> ill redo it.
[01:26] <abattoir> LouKall: ok.... also give me the link at the end...
[01:26] <I_Eat_Plastic> How do I emulate multiple sound servers through multiple programs? (ex.. Firefox.. xmms..)
[01:27] <LouKall> there we go.
[01:27] <LouKall> its all changed to dapper on the temp file.
[01:27] <LouKall> lemme copy it over to the sources.list
[01:28] <aegeanlinux> I_Eat_Plastic:  http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Allow_multiple_programs_to_play_sound_at_once
[01:28] <abattoir> LouKall: remember, you'd need root permissions
[01:28] <I_Eat_Plastic> aegeanlinux: thank you.
[01:28] <aegeanlinux> why that is perfectly OK I_Eat_Plastic
[01:28] <rlj> check the following syslog about the en_AU thingy: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Phbw1q81.html
[01:28] <rlj> the last couple of lines
[01:29] <LouKall> yep.
[01:29] <LouKall> i went and gottem.
[01:29] <abattoir> LouKall: you 'updated' in adept?
[01:29] <abattoir> 'Fetch Updates'
[01:29] <LjL> aegeanlinux: depends... i know very few APIs. can't code a GUI of any kind. i'm relatively confident with the constructs of C themselves and some of the ANSI calls, though
[01:29] <aegeanlinux> ahhh, thats OK.'
[01:30] <abattoir> rlj: from ubiquity?
[01:30] <aegeanlinux> I really want to 'lend' someone some source code
[01:30] <aegeanlinux> and ask them nicely to put 7z support in it
[01:30] <rlj> abattoir: what's that?
[01:30] <abattoir> rlj: is that from the live installer?
[01:30] <yelek> hello all, I have a question if anyone could help out that would be great...its a pretty simple question Im sure
[01:30] <LouKall> fetching....
[01:30] <rlj> abattoir: it's from the kubuntu dapper livecd installer, yes
[01:30] <LouKall> whats that yelek?
[01:30] <rlj> abattoir: selected english language at the first prompt and then a swedish keyboard layout
[01:30] <LjL> aegeanlinux: hm, why not just depend on the 7zip program?
[01:31] <abattoir> rlj: i think its normal, dont see any errors
[01:31] <abattoir> rlj: oh
[01:31] <yelek> I just did an apt-get install wine, and I want to put wine in my Kmenu, how would I go about doing this
[01:31] <abattoir> rlj: could you try it again?
[01:31] <rlj> abattoir: from what i remember from my previous install, the LANG or some related env variable was set to en_AU for some reason
[01:31] <rlj> abattoir: sure
[01:31] <abattoir> rlj: or does this happen all the time?
[01:31] <rlj> in the live environment now
[01:31] <LouKall> i belive it you right click on the k menu, you can add programs.
[01:31] <LouKall> if you have wine installed, that is.
[01:32] <andrei> !restricted formats
[01:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <aegeanlinux> LjL: because code needs to be added to the package manager to tell it to 1. fetch .tar.7z files and 2. Extract with lib7z, along with libtar, not just libtar wich it does at the moement
[01:32] <yelek> hmm, ok lemme try, thx LouKall
[01:32] <LouKall> :) no problem.
[01:32] <LjL> aegeanlinux: ah, at least there *is* a lib7z. i was trying to find one right now..
[01:32] <LouKall> YAY!
[01:32] <LouKall> MPLAYER!
[01:32] <abattoir> rlj: i think it sets the default option to 'au' and that you can change it... can you confirm that for me
[01:32] <abattoir> LouKall: cool, now also amarok must be upgradable... is it?
[01:32] <aegeanlinux> actually, LjL that's the bit that isn't going to sell, that has to be written
[01:33] <LouKall> probably.
[01:33] <edu> hi
[01:33] <LouKall> do i just look for Amarok?
[01:33] <LjL> aegeanlinux: ah ;)
[01:33] <aegeanlinux> hi edu
[01:33] <abattoir> rlj: is 'AU' the default option in the choices
[01:33] <LouKall> hi edu.
[01:33] <abattoir> LouKall: just type amarok, yes
[01:33] <edu> LouKall: hi
[01:33] <aegeanlinux> there is an SDK for 7z LMZA
[01:33] <edu> aegeanlinux: hi
[01:33] <LjL> aegeanlinux: well that depends on how horrible the p7zip code is -- if it's not too horrible, making it into a library can be feasible, otherwise...
[01:34] <edu> look, my CD recorder is unmounted... how can I mount it?
[01:34] <yelek> LouKall, I went to add/remove proggz but I dont see wine anywhere, or how to add it to the menu.....
[01:34] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Whats the chance of me asking nicely and seeing if you can whip something up?
[01:34] <LouKall> applying the uprgrades to amaroK
[01:34] <abattoir> LouKall: wait
[01:34] <abattoir> LouKall: you applied ?
[01:34] <LouKall> do you have Wine fully installed?
[01:34] <LouKall> applied what?
[01:34] <abattoir> LouKall: committed the changes in adept?
[01:34] <LjL> aegeanlinux: i'll tell you after i have the various 7z sources downloaded and i can see them
[01:35] <LouKall> yeah.
[01:35] <yelek> yeh i believe so, at least when i try to apt-get again it says newest version is allready installed
[01:35] <abattoir> LouKall: ok doesnt matter
[01:35] <edu> I just wanna burn an audio CD... but my CD recorder is unmounted... any idea?
[01:35] <LouKall> haha crap.
[01:35] <aegeanlinux> :D LjL, thanks for looking anyways :D
[01:35] <abattoir> LouKall: when its done, look for the package 'libxine-extracodecs'
[01:35] <LouKall> okay.
[01:35] <LouKall> will do.
[01:35] <abattoir> LouKall: and install it... that should get you mp3 support in amarok
[01:35] <LouKall> oh awesome.
[01:35] <LouKall> amaroK looks so much easier to deal with.
[01:35] <LouKall> ill uninstall XMMS
[01:36] <LouKall> what about my DVD though?
[01:36] <edu> I tried with 'mount -t autofs /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1' but it failed
[01:36] <LouKall> the .bin and .cue files?
[01:36] <abattoir> LouKall: open the .bin w/ mplayer... should play
[01:36] <LouKall> oh.
[01:36] <LouKall> right.
[01:36] <LouKall> haha.
[01:36] <edu> could you help me, please?
[01:37] <LouKall> Mplayer isnt showing up on my multimedias...
[01:37] <abattoir> LouKall: the menu might not be updated yet, hit Alt+F2 type mplayer and run
[01:37] <LouKall> k, k.
[01:37] <abattoir> edu: which program are you using to burn? K3B ?
[01:38] <edu> abattoir: yes
[01:38] <abattoir> edu: that should mount the disc for you
[01:38] <LouKall> noooope. nothing.
[01:38] <rlj> abattoir: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wVt5gW69.html
[01:38] <yelek> I see wine in adept manager but I still cant figure out how to put it in the menu, any suggestions?
[01:38] <yelek> it says it's installed fine
[01:38] <edu> abattoir: but it's not working...
[01:38] <abattoir> LouKall: what do you mean, you are sure you installed mplayer?
[01:38] <LjL> aegeanlinux: there's something i'm not getting. 7z itself is a format for compressing *plus* creating an archive (i.e. compressing multiple files together), while the compression format itself is called lzma. so why would you be using 7z *over* tar?
[01:39] <LouKall> it said i got it through Adept.
[01:39] <rlj> abattoir: i never selected anything with australia so i think it's an installer bug. i wonder if it happens with other language/time zone/kb layout settings though
[01:39] <aegeanlinux> 7z does not support saving file permissions, tar does
[01:39] <abattoir> rlj: as i asked before, in the installer, or the default options that are selected AU?
[01:39] <aegeanlinux> LjL: 7z does not support saving file permissions, tar does
[01:39] <abattoir> *are the default...
[01:40] <abattoir> LouKall: try again... Alt+F2 -> mplayer -> Run
[01:40] <edu> abattoir: K3b error: no support
[01:40] <abattoir> LouKall: when you finish typing mplayer, the icon should change
[01:40] <ubuntu_> ola
[01:40] <LouKall> the K icon?
[01:40] <LouKall> it didnt change.
[01:40] <rlj> abattoir: could you clarify the question, i didn't understand it...
[01:41] <aegeanlinux> maybe http://www.joachim-bauch.de/projects/python/pylzma/ might help
[01:41] <ubuntu_> helo
[01:41] <edu> my CD recorder is unmounted... how can I mount it?
[01:41] <edu> I just wanna burn an audio CD... but my CD recorder is unmounted... any idea?
[01:41] <edu> I tried with 'mount -t autofs /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1' but it failed
[01:41] <aegeanlinux> type dmesg | tail
[01:41] <abattoir> edu: using mp3s?
[01:41] <aegeanlinux> | as in pipe
[01:42] <edu> abattoir: yes, but that's not the problem
[01:42] <rlj> abattoir: all i did was launch the livecd, select swedish kb layout on bootup, launch installer, select default language of english, select swedish time zone, select swedish kb layout. what i would then like to receive is en_US for everthing but the keyboard layout in consoles and X, and that should be sv_SE.UTF-8 :)
[01:42] <aegeanlinux> OK.
[01:42] <edu> abattoir: K3b can read mp3 files well
[01:42] <abattoir> rlj: the installer tries to 'guess' certain values and sets them as default... for eg. if it detects from your system that you are in AU, it'll change the defaul choice to AU, you can of course change that...
[01:42] <LouKall> abattoir: installed the libxine...going to reinstall mplayer
[01:42] <rlj> abattoir: well i'm not in AU, never been there :)
[01:43] <rlj> abattoir: from what would it autodetect AU=
[01:43] <rlj> ?
[01:43] <abattoir> rlj: did you actually finish instalilng?
[01:43] <abattoir> *installing
[01:43] <rlj> abattoir: i did on my last install, yes
[01:43] <LouKall> there we go abbattoir
[01:43] <rlj> abattoir: and some env var ended up being en_AU, can't remember which one
[01:43] <abattoir> edu: k3b needs to decode them to make an audio cd
[01:43] <LouKall> it was kmplayer!
[01:43] <LouKall> jeebsus.
[01:43] <rlj> abattoir:  not LC_ALL, it was something like LANG
[01:43] <LjL> aegeanlinux: ok, well - the other thing that i don't have clear is whether you already *have* these .tar.7z packages, in a defined format, or you're in the process of inventing the format. because if it's the latter, i suppose you should use raw lzma rather than 7z, since you're over tar
[01:44] <abattoir> rlj: so even after you chose se and completed installation, the system was setup for au? then yes, its a bug
[01:44] <abattoir> LouKall: ???? kmplayer is a frontend for mplayer
[01:44] <rlj> abattoir: since i'm reinstalling anyway and would like to get en_US instead of en_AU, can this be overridden during the install somehow or should i get the alternate cd with the standard console prompts instead of the gui installer?
[01:44] <LouKall> abb
[01:44] <rlj> abattoir: yes that is correct.
[01:44] <LouKall> sorry.
[01:44] <LouKall> yeah it opened up.
[01:44] <abattoir> a kde-frontend to be precise, mplayer has its own gtk frontend
[01:45] <rlj> abattoir: kb layout in X (and consoles i think) were sv_SE correctly though
[01:45] <LouKall> but the file wont open now.
[01:45] <rlj> abattoir: it was just LANG (or some other of those vars, can't remember which one)
[01:45] <abattoir> rlj: technically this should not happen at all, AU comes into question only if you choose english...
[01:45] <rlj> english as what? kb layout?
[01:45] <edu> abattoir: k3b is decoding mp3 perfectly well
[01:45] <abattoir> rlj: language
[01:45] <Dahgol> http://www.petitiononline.com/gwlinux/petition.html
[01:46] <rlj> abattoir: cause i did choose english as language
[01:46] <abattoir> edu: then what is the erro?
[01:46] <rlj> abattoir: not swedish
[01:46] <abattoir> rlj: and then what locale of english did you choose?
[01:46] <LouKall> grr. amaroK isnt playing mp3s.
[01:46] <aegeanlinux> LjL: I don't have __anything__ now for the .tar.7z's if you asked me to get them, I would have them in a flash though. And yes probebly just using plain LZMA compression, instead of 7z would be better
[01:46] <LouKall> does this stupid Playlist finished thing.
[01:46] <abattoir> i guess AU was the first... so you just pressed enter :P
[01:46] <rlj> the gui installer does not give you the option of choosing iirc
[01:46] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Like what bz2 is to tar ;)
[01:46] <edu> abattoir: k3b is not detecting the blank CD I put on my recorder
[01:46] <rlj> abattoir: if it does, on what screen is that?...
[01:46] <abattoir> LouKall: do an 'apt-cache policy libxine-extracodecs'...
[01:47] <abattoir> LouKall: tell me if it says installed
[01:47] <edu> abattoir: it seems that my CD-RW unit is unmounted or something like that
[01:47] <edu> abattoir: any idea?
[01:47] <abattoir> edu: your 'unit' is unomounted?
[01:47] <LouKall> it does say that.
[01:47] <LjL> aegeanlinux: uh, yeah, i was just going to ask... what about bz2? it's more widespread, it's faster, it doesn't compress as well as 7-zip but still compresses very well, and it's got a libbz2 ready and packaged with ubuntu
[01:47] <abattoir> edu: other disks dont work?
[01:47] <edu> abattoir: I think so...
[01:47] <abattoir> LouKall: make sure you have the amarok-xine engine installed
[01:48] <edu> abattoir: you're right
[01:48] <abattoir> edu: then may be a prob w/ your drive
[01:48] <LouKall> says installed.
[01:48] <LouKall> probably not uprgraded.
[01:48] <abattoir> rlj: after you choose english, choose locale as US
[01:48] <abattoir> LouKall: upgrade it... is amarok upgraded?
[01:48] <abattoir> edu: what?
[01:49] <abattoir> edu: libk3b2-mp3 ?
[01:49] <aegeanlinux> LjL: It is for a package manager, I am sure that if you had a the choice between 3 files .tar.gz (34 mb) .tar.bz2 (30 mb) and .tar.7z  (25 mb) that you'd choose the .7z
[01:49] <edu> abattoir: libk3b2-mp3 is installed and working
[01:49] <inter_m> when will we get the next dapper point release?
[01:49] <LjL> aegeanlinux: well, if the compression ratio difference really is that remarkable...
[01:49] <abattoir> inter_m: dapper point release?????
[01:49] <aegeanlinux> LjL:  which it is
[01:49] <abattoir> edu: then about what was i right?
[01:50] <rlj> abattoir: step 1 is language (no locale here), step 2 is time zone (and nothing else), step 3 is kb layout (and nothing else), step 4 is user information, step 5 is partitioning... or am i just blind?
[01:50] <rlj> abattoir: as far as i can see, i never get the option to explicitly choose the locale
[01:50] <inter_m> abattoir: i know there's no point release yet
[01:50] <Tommy2k4> ubuntu crashed again :(
[01:50] <inter_m> abattoir: i am asking for the future
[01:50] <abattoir> rlj: if you choose English, i am sure you have an option for locale... wait a sec
[01:50] <LouKall> abattoir: yeah its upgraded, i did it through adept
[01:50] <edu> abattoir: other disks don't work!
[01:50] <rlj> abattoir: i did not get any =)
[01:50] <edu> abattoir: you were right about that
[01:50] <rlj> let me know if you get different results..
[01:50] <abattoir> edu: well, does your drive work w/ any other OS that you have?
[01:51] <abattoir> rlj: wait a sec
[01:51] <edu> abattoir: yes, it works under XP
[01:51] <abattoir> inter_m: the next release is 'Edgy Eft' 6.10
[01:52] <inter_m> abattoir: no, i am talking about dapper
[01:52] <inter_m> abattoir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperPointReleaseProcess
[01:52] <inter_m> abattoir: you probably haven't read this
[01:53] <inter_m> abattoir: also, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/dapper-point-release-process
[01:53] <abattoir> inter_m: i have no idea.. you could ask @ #ubuntu
[01:53] <inter_m> abattoir: it's a HIGH priority specification
[01:53] <abattoir> edu: in KDE Control Centre... is the drive recognised?
[01:54] <inter_m> abattoir: i am not using ubuntu, but only kubuntu
[01:54] <abattoir> inter_m: the schedules should be the same
[01:54] <inter_m> abattoir: oh, i see your point
[01:54] <inter_m> abattoir: thanks
[01:54] <LouKall> abattoir: Player xine Not Running
[01:54] <abattoir> rlj: in Location you choose Sweden?
[01:55] <abattoir> rlj: Stockholm i.e ?
[01:55] <abattoir> LouKall: where do you get this?
[01:55] <abattoir> *chose
[01:56] <rlj> abattoir: yes stockholm
[01:56] <rlj> abattoir: and then swedish kb layout
[01:56] <rlj> abattoir: after selecting that have a look at your /var/log/messages.0
[01:56] <LjL> aegeanlinux: http://tukaani.org/lzma/
[01:56] <LouKall> abattoir: i got it from kmplayer
[01:57] <aegeanlinux> LjL: # Decompression speed is only little slower than that of gzip, being two to five times faster than bzip2.
[01:57] <abattoir> LouKall: what about mplayer?
[01:57] <edu> abattoir: yes, it is
[01:57] <aegeanlinux> YOU BEUT!!!!!!!!
[01:57] <aegeanlinux> LjL: I could marry your
[01:57] <aegeanlinux> *you
[01:57] <abattoir> rlj: i cant see the logs... i cant replicate that here....
[01:57] <edu> abattoir: /dev/hdd  /media/cdrom1  udf,iso9660   user,noauto
[01:57] <bgrimm> when installing VLC, kvlc (frontend) does not need to be selected too? it is noted as a dummy legacy pkg)?
[01:57] <epyfro> test
[01:57] <LouKall> abattoir: kmplayer is all i have.
[01:58] <LjL> aegeanlinux: heh. well haven't looked at the actual files yet, but that does seem to be the kind of "liblzma" wrapper that you'd want
[01:58] <rlj> abattoir: why can't you see the logs?
[01:58] <LouKall> should i DL mplayer?
[01:58] <LjL> aegeanlinux: and it even comes with a debian sid package apparently
[01:58] <aegeanlinux> yes, it does ;)
[01:58] <abattoir> LouKall: i asked you to install mplayer, iirc that was the first thing i told you
[01:58] <LouKall> [dumb] 
[01:58] <rlj> abattoir: or are there simply no mentions of en_AU in your logs?
[01:59] <epyfro> i' m in now ;)
[01:59] <abattoir> rlj: because i'm not running from the livecd and have messed around w/ them.... because i'm working on something similar...
[01:59] <rlj> abattoir: ok, got it
[01:59] <abattoir> rlj: there wont be, because, if i for example choose London, my locale is automatically changed to en_gb
[01:59] <LouKall> abattoir: downloading mplayer.
[02:00] <rlj> so stockholm might have the wrong association to the locale?
[02:00] <abattoir> well, stockholm would be associated w/ swedish... and not w/ an english locale....
[02:00] <LouKall> [burp] 
[02:01] <aegeanlinux> LjL: It looks dang promising the site.
[02:01] <abattoir> rlj: but since you have chosen english, but do not live in an area which is associated w/ an english locale...
[02:01] <rlj> abattoir: there still has to be some method for it to choose some default english locale no matter what location is used if english is the selected language? or does it simply fall back to the "first" english locale because of this?
[02:01] <edu> abattoir: yes, the drive is recognised...
[02:01] <edu> abattoir: /dev/hdd  /media/cdrom1  udf,iso9660   user,noauto
[02:01] <abattoir> rlj: i think the installer chooses the first locale in the english list... which is au
[02:02] <abattoir> rlj: after installation... i'm sure you can change it
[02:02] <rlj> abattoir: so the easiest thing to get it "right" for me would be to use the text-mode livecd (i.e. alternate livecd?) which will give me more options during the install?
[02:02] <abattoir> edu: hmmm... and no other discs are being recognised at all?
[02:02] <rlj> abattoir: i would like to get it "right" straight away if possible...
[02:02] <LouKall> abbatoir: it only changes to a sprocket
[02:03] <abattoir> rlj: then try the text-mode  cd...
[02:03] <edu> abattoir: no other discs are being recognised by now
[02:03] <rlj> abattoir: (= "alternate" livecd?)
[02:03] <abattoir> rlj: but i cant guarantee.. as i havent chosen a non-english-locale region :P
[02:03] <abattoir> edu: but they are recognised in windows? sure?
[02:04] <abattoir> rlj: yes, the alternate installation cd, its not a live cd :P
[02:04] <rlj> abattoir: ah :)
[02:04] <abattoir> edu: wait a sec
[02:04] <rlj> abattoir: guess there are only 2 images to choose from though so it's a pretty simple choice :)
[02:04] <edu> abattoir: I'm sure
[02:04] <abattoir> rlj: if you have the time, you can file a bug... if there isnt one already
[02:05] <abattoir> edu: you get any error messages when you try to mount other discs?
[02:05] <abattoir> edu:  can you try now? preferably w/ a pressed / scratchless cd
[02:05] <rlj> abattoir: just checked bugs.kubuntu.org but could not find anything interesting
[02:06] <abattoir> rlj: launchpad.net is the place
[02:06] <rlj> abattoir: ok
[02:07] <abattoir> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bugs
[02:08] <edu> abattoir: ok
[02:08] <rlj> abattoir: bug searches on launchpad for "ubiquity en_AU" only finds ubiquity crash heading
[02:08] <LouKall> man abbat...you busy.
[02:08] <LouKall> haha
[02:08] <edu> abattoir: I'm on it
[02:08] <rlj> abattoir: *headings. so i guess it's not registered by anyone
[02:08] <abattoir> rlj: i think you can omit ubuiquity
[02:08] <abattoir> LouKall: hehe... you done?
[02:08] <abattoir> LouKall: everything works?
[02:08] <the_hammer> !pastebin
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[02:09] <LouKall> abattoir: nothing works! haha!
[02:09] <LouKall> im so lost@
[02:09] <abattoir> rlj: tbh the search function in launchpad is not the best
[02:09] <abattoir> LouKall: have you opened mplayer?
[02:09] <LouKall> amaroK wont play mp3s
[02:09] <abattoir> LouKall: installed it even?
[02:09] <LouKall> haha. yes it is installed
[02:09] <edu> abattoir: now I'm getting a sudo error: "timestamp too far in the future" and can't mount!
[02:09] <LouKall> ULTIMATE MOVIE PLAYER!
[02:09] <LouKall> buahhahahaha
[02:10] <abattoir> edu: try the command 'date' see if everything is sane
[02:10] <abattoir> LouKall: have you opened it?
[02:10] <rlj> abattoir: just searching for en_AU brought up some more unrelated things and all of the ubiquity crash reports (that when browsed seem to have no mention of en_AU anywhere... :S)
[02:10] <LouKall> when i type and then click run, nothing opens.
[02:11] <abattoir> rlj: file a bug, even if its a duplicate, it will be triaged...
[02:11] <rlj> abattoir: will do
[02:11] <edu> abattoir: everything is ok... I just changed the system time 20 minutes ago...
[02:11] <rlj> abattoir: on the launchpad then and not bugs.kubuntu.org?
[02:11] <abattoir> edu: can you try restarting? something tells me it is a system time related issue
[02:11] <abattoir> rlj: yup
[02:12] <abattoir> edu: you changed it?
[02:12] <abattoir> edu: from what?
[02:12] <rlj> will do later on, don't have time to register myself now. a bit too tired
[02:12] <edu> abattoir: yes 'cause the time was wrong, I fixed it
[02:12] <rlj> abattoir: will prolly sleep rather soon
[02:12] <LouKall> abattior: when i type and then click run, nothing opens
[02:12] <abattoir> rlj: fine.. i'll do it if i have the time :)
[02:12] <rlj> abattoir: thanks for the help anyways
[02:12] <LouKall> kmplayer opens though.
[02:12] <rlj> abattoir: sure, ok thx
[02:12] <LouKall> abattior: kmplayer opens though.
[02:12] <abattoir> LouKall: hmmm, if you have it installed, as soon as you finish typing mplayer, the icon'd change...
[02:13] <abattoir> rlj: np
[02:13] <abattoir> LouKall: and then if you click run mplayer should open up
[02:13] <rlj> waiting for my badblocks -n -s -v on a 40GB part to finish...
[02:13] <rlj> it takes more time than i recall
[02:13] <LouKall> abattoir: it changes to a sprocket
[02:13] <abattoir> edu: could you try restarting?
[02:13] <abattoir> LouKall: so it does change?
[02:13] <abattoir> LouKall: click run
[02:14] <rlj> about half-way through now. and i think it's passed the place where it used to complain in syslog about dma errors :)
[02:14] <abattoir> LouKall: if that doesnt work... open konsole... execute mplayer from that
[02:14] <edu> abattoir: ok, I can restart now... see you and thanks
[02:14] <abattoir> edu: np
[02:14] <abattoir> rlj: why are going through the logs? :P
[02:14] <LouKall> opens from the Konsole
[02:14] <LouKall> just not from run
[02:14] <abattoir> LouKall: good... now open the .bin file
[02:15] <LouKall> okey. lemme give her a whirl.
[02:15] <abattoir> LouKall: does it work?
[02:15] <rlj> abattoir: well i did before cause i wasn't sure when i ran the mke2fs -c -c if it would echo about problems. and before that when i did a badblocks tests, the kernel did complain in the syslog
[02:15] <rlj> abattoir: i think however, the badblocks -n i ran before which tried to write to the damaged parts actually caused the disk to relocate
[02:16] <abattoir> rlj: oh, ok... was just curious. :)
[02:16] <abattoir> rlj: oh :(
[02:16] <rlj> abattoir: where the normal badblocks or e2fsck -c would only try to read, not causing the disk to relocate
[02:16] <abattoir> LouKall: ????
[02:16] <rlj> abattoir: which if it is true is very good news
[02:16] <abattoir> hmmmm
[02:17] <rlj> abattoir: i will keep a close eye on the disk once in a while for a few months (periodically doing some badblocks -n -p 3 or so or e2fsck -c -c, whichever i fancy :)
[02:17] <abattoir> rlj: on old disk?
[02:18] <rlj> abattoir: if it turns out ok, i hope the disk will be fine. i believe the blocks were damaged during a one-time event (a small drop to floor :/)
[02:18] <rlj> abattoir: as the disk is not old
[02:18] <abattoir> oh ok, that answers my question :)
[02:18] <LouKall> abattoir: cant get the path right...
[02:18] <abattoir> LouKall: watching the movie? :-\
[02:18] <LouKall> abattoir: i wish@
[02:18] <abattoir> LouKall: where did you save it?
[02:18] <rlj> abattoir: normally bad blocks don't come alone, but i hope this was really a single event :)
[02:19] <LouKall> Desktop
[02:19] <LouKall> abbatoir:Desktop
[02:19] <rlj> abattoir: i however had to backup everything and wipe the fs as reiserfsck would crash (segfault) on a reiserfsck --fix-fixable -b /part/to/badblocks/file
[02:19] <rlj> abattoir: so i decided since i'm reinstalling anyway to go with ext3 this time since it seems to have somewhat better bad block handling than reiserfs
[02:19] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, then click on the Desktop folder(click on show more files or something)
[02:20] <LouKall> okay
[02:20] <abattoir> LouKall: ugh, i dont remember thos ugly GTK open dialogs...
[02:20] <abattoir> but then, this is #kubuntu :P
[02:20] <LouKall> [lou holds a bucket of water] 
[02:21] <abattoir> rlj: reiser3 is often unstable on my drive...
[02:21] <abattoir> rlj: though everyone else says its fine :P
[02:21] <rlj> abattoir: "often"?
[02:21] <rlj> abattoir: i've used it without problems for some time on my desktop gentoo box
[02:21] <abattoir> rlj: yes, whenever i shutdown improperly
[02:21] <rlj> abattoir: but on the other hand, that drive has never had any bad sectors...
[02:21] <rlj> abattoir: at least i've never noted any bad things (tm) happening
[02:21] <LouKall> abbatoir: i have the desktop folder open
[02:22] <abattoir> hehe, you are luck then
[02:22] <rlj> abattoir: which is why i installed kubuntu on this new laptop on reiserfs and not ext3 in the first place
[02:22] <abattoir> LouKall: choose the .bin file then
[02:22] <LouKall> okay.
[02:22] <rlj> abattoir: no experience with jfs or xfs but they feel a bit less tested and generally used
[02:22] <abattoir> rlj: i wonder if it could be an issue w/ my Hardrive...
[02:22] <abattoir> rlj: but then, i dont care, XFS works perfectly well...
[02:22] <rlj> abattoir: check s.m.a.r.t. information?
[02:22] <abattoir> and reiser4 does too
[02:22] <LouKall> abattoir: i cant find anything to open it up with
[02:23] <LouKall> abattoir: kmplayer or mplayer is not on the list.
[02:23] <abattoir> LouKall: in the mplayer file selection dialog??????
[02:23] <abattoir> LouKall: mplayer-> Open file-> choose the file
[02:23] <LouKall> i cant open mplayer.
[02:23] <rlj> abattoir: someone here before (who definitely thought my disk was ready to trash) suggested i checked the s.m.a.r.t. status (that turned out healthy). smartmontool.sf.net
[02:23] <LouKall> kmplayer shows up. but mplayer wont.
[02:23] <abattoir> LouKall: i though you just told me it opened from konsole....
[02:24] <LouKall> it listed out commands for it from konsole :P
[02:24] <abattoir> rlj: no, the disk is very healthy, its only reiser3 it doesnt like :P
[02:24] <aegeanlinux> brb, breakfast time
[02:24] <rlj> abattoir: hehe
[02:24] <abattoir> LouKall: its a laptop HD, not even a year old...
[02:24] <rlj> abattoir: so you would say (at least in your case) reiser4 is actually more stable than reiser3?
[02:24] <LouKall> abattoir: shwa?
[02:24] <abattoir> LouKall: listed out commands?
[02:25] <LouKall> abattoir: yeah like different options for files
[02:25] <abattoir> rlj: yes, my case, and obv. wont recommend to others....
[02:25] <LouKall> abattoir: can i not open it from kmplayer?
[02:25] <rlj> LouKall: what country are you from?
[02:25] <abattoir> LouKall: :'(
[02:26] <LouKall> rlj: good ole world police--USA!
[02:26] <LouKall> abattoir: me too!
[02:26] <Raven301> Is there an option for apt-get install to install all the packages with gkrellm in it??
[02:26] <rlj> LouKall: right =
[02:26] <rlj> *=)
[02:26] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, do 'mplayer /home/user/Desktop/whatever.bin'
[02:26] <LouKall> haha okay.
[02:26] <abattoir> LouKall: wasnt gmplayer installed along w/ mplayer?
[02:26] <abattoir> LouKall: damn, i feel dumb now... install gmplayer
[02:27] <abattoir> there is always one screwup per day :P
[02:27] <rlj> LouKall: out of curiosity, what are you trying to play back?
[02:27] <LouKall> abattoir: no gmplayer--just Kmplayer
[02:27] <LouKall> rlj: Director's Cut of Donnie Darko
[02:27] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, do a 'sudo apt-get install gmplayer' in the konsole
[02:27] <LouKall> rlj: =] 
[02:27] <rlj> LouKall: i meant more like what format of the file :)
[02:28] <LouKall> rlj: .bin or .cue
[02:28] <abattoir> .bin
[02:28] <rlj> LouKall: of what? cd image with avi file on? dvd image?
[02:28] <abattoir> i guess you 'downloaded' it :P
[02:28] <DaSkreech> HI :-)
[02:28] <LouKall> abattoir: of course!
[02:28] <abattoir> hah, DaSkreech, :(
[02:28] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Nice attempt at disgust :)
[02:29] <LouKall> abattoir: something about administration directory
[02:29] <abattoir> LouKall: hehe, ok, installed gmplayer?
[02:29] <LouKall> Daskreech: Daskreech!
[02:29] <abattoir> DaSkreech: hehe, i'm not disgusted...
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Ugh GMplayer
[02:29] <abattoir> DaSkreech: where did you go all of a sudden
[02:29] <LouKall> abattoir: something about administration directory
[02:29] <abattoir> not like you dont have a life :P... but
[02:29] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Umm Technical difficulties
[02:30] <josh__> k.
[02:30] <josh__> i am getting VERY fustrated
[02:30] <josh__> i can't install nvidia drivers!
[02:30] <abattoir> josh__: me too
[02:30] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I was trying to find one but they don't have theGigabytes that I need in a lifedrive
[02:30] <LouKall> josh__: me too
[02:30] <josh__> everything i do there is always something wrong
[02:30] <LouKall> abattoir: me too
[02:31] <LouKall> josh__: i hate to break it to you...but maybe God is trying to tell you something....
[02:31] <abattoir> DaSkreech: dont they call those thing 'women'? :P
[02:31] <josh__> haha
[02:31] <josh__> i've tried linux 4 times
[02:31] <LouKall> josh__: :D
[02:31] <josh__> it installs and stuff
[02:31] <josh__> but i can't install anything
[02:31] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Huh? what are you talking about
[02:31] <abattoir> *things
[02:31] <josh__> the commands are SO GAY
[02:31] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Great!!!
[02:31] <abattoir> DaSkreech: nothing...
[02:31] <DaSkreech> man women throws a kernel error
[02:32] <LouKall> I get it!
[02:32] <LouKall> haha
[02:32] <josh__> why can't it be like windows where you click the package and it installs....
[02:32] <josh__> that would be the ULTIMATE linux
[02:32] <LouKall> josh__: then it wouldnt be any fun.
[02:32] <DaSkreech> josh__: Cause this isn't Windows :)
[02:32] <josh__> no, but all the features of linux
[02:32] <DaSkreech> josh__: What are you doing?
[02:32] <abattoir> josh__: doesnt easyubuntu do exactly that?
[02:32] <josh__> omg no way.
[02:32] <DaSkreech> That's what I was thinking
[02:32] <josh__> is it good?
[02:33] <DaSkreech> !easyubunut
[02:33] <ubotu> I know nothing about easyubunut - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:33] <abattoir> !easyubuntu
[02:33] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[02:33] <DaSkreech> !easyubuntu
[02:33] <aegeanlinux> wb all
[02:33] <josh__> so i can just click nvidia drivers and it will install?
[02:33] <Hawkwind> We didn't leave, you did :P
[02:33] <abattoir> LouKall: installed gmplayer?
[02:33] <josh__> wow, i've gotta check out easyubuntu
[02:34] <rlj> josh__: try gentoo, that was my first linux distro. that way you actually know it from the inside a bit before you can actually start using it :) and you have to suffer great compile times too so installing a system takes several days! but it's a really nice distro, apart from the minor caveats...
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Go to it man
[02:34] <Hawkwind> If my system did nothing but point/click I'd kill it
[02:34] <DaSkreech> rlj: Tried it on 56k?
[02:34] <abattoir> Hawkwind: exactly :)
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: One day one day :)
[02:34] <rlj> DaSkreech: what, gentoo?
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Linux with the mind thought interface kernel module :)
[02:35] <rlj> DaSkreech: nope, i have some sort of adsl at home
[02:35] <DaSkreech> rlj: Yeah
[02:35] <Hawkwind> I've been dealing with XP Pro for the past 3 - 4 days for my neighbor.  I dislike Windows even more, if that's even humanly possible
[02:35] <rlj> DaSkreech: having some sort of constant internet access is kind of useful for gentoo where you can't get debs on cd's, that's true
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Try debug Win98 :)
[02:35] <DaSkreech> debs?
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Gentoo has debs?
[02:35] <josh__> i like the feel of linux and stuff its just that installing stuff there is ALWAYS an error!
[02:36] <rlj> DaSkreech: no (unless you use alien i guess)
[02:36] <abattoir> josh__: the future is bright, the future is smart.
[02:36] <josh__> command lines would be nothing if you could actually type in and it will do what you want it to do......
[02:36] <rlj> DaSkreech: i meant hm. i meant nothing i mean. you can fetch the archives manually elsewhere and just pop them in after all in your distfiles
[02:36] <rlj> DaSkreech: and portage can prolly be updated with web snapshots instead of rsync as well
[02:36] <josh__> i just tried nvidia drivers and it tells me i don't have something installed..
[02:36] <LouKall> abbatoir: i got an error message
[02:36] <DaSkreech> josh__: How many things have you installed?
[02:37] <abattoir> LouKall: when you install gmplayer?
[02:37] <LouKall> abbatoir: yeah, administrator directory
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Woah http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=393&Set=0 is  disturbing
[02:37] <abattoir> LouKall: what?
[02:37] <josh__> i haven't been able to install a single thing
[02:38] <josh__> all 4 times i've installed linux, nothing will install......
[02:38] <LouKall> abattoir:E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:38] <abattoir> LouKall: adept is open?
[02:38] <abattoir> LouKall: install it through adept itself then
[02:38] <josh__> i'll do everything and it will work then something else will be in the way
[02:38] <LouKall> abattoir: nope. should i do a root access.
[02:38] <LouKall> abattoir: it doesnt show up on the adept list.
[02:38] <abattoir> LouKall: sure adept isnt open?
[02:38] <DaSkreech> http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/blogreview/2006/07/21/feature-03 now that's funny :)
[02:39] <LouKall> abattoir: 100% positive.
[02:39] <josh__> oh yeah, how do you stream video in linux?
[02:39] <DaSkreech> josh__: What kind of video?
[02:39] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, open adept then
[02:39] <josh__> like ebaumsworld and stuff
[02:39] <aegeanlinux> LjL: How's it going ?
[02:39] <josh__> i've tried it and the media player comes up but it won't play
[02:40] <LouKall> abbatoir: ok its open
[02:40] <abattoir> LouKall: install gmplayer
[02:41] <DaSkreech> josh__: Do you know what it's encoded in ?
[02:41] <LouKall> abattoir: it doesnt show up during search
[02:42] <nnn0> hm simplymepis 6 is out
[02:42] <abattoir> LouKall: doh! I'll give you the right name then.... :(
[02:42] <abattoir> LouKall: wait up
[02:42] <nnn0> hm mepis kubuntu mepis kubuntu mepis
[02:42] <DaSkreech> !restricted > josh__
[02:42] <LouKall> abattoir: okay! [looks around] 
[02:42] <DaSkreech> you may need w32codecs
[02:43] <josh__> i need binutils
[02:43] <josh__> what the hell is that?
[02:43] <abattoir> LouKall: meanwhile you could download w32codecs... if you want:P
[02:43] <nikkiana> for some reason the touchpad on my laptop wants to paste whatever's in the clipboard every time i click on it.... is this strange behavior normal?
[02:43] <abattoir> !info binutils
[02:43] <ubotu> binutils: The GNU assembler, linker and binary utilities. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.16.1cvs20060117-1ubuntu2.1 (dapper), package size 1373 kB, installed size 6848 kB
[02:44] <josh__> ok well how do i install it
[02:44] <LouKall> abattoir: errr...cant find those on here either.
[02:45] <abattoir> LouKall: try executing gmpplayer
[02:45] <abattoir> LouKall: nah, those you have to download from mplayerhq.hu
[02:45] <abattoir> *gmplayer
[02:45] <LouKall> abattoir: do what, now?
[02:45] <abattoir> execute gmplayer
[02:46] <abattoir> does a player show up
[02:46] <LouKall> abattoir: yes!
[02:46] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, now open file -> choose your .bin file
[02:46] <josh__> k i installed binutils
[02:46] <josh__> now it says i need to exit X
[02:47] <abattoir> LouKall: dont tell me this doesnt work.... please :'(
[02:47] <LjL> aegeanlinux: integration should be smooth. the library compiles perfectly without any dependencies that i can see, you get a "liblzmadec.so" library, and a sample program in the lzmadec, which is quite short. you can probably just "plug it in" into your code almost as-is
[02:47] <cpk2> nikkiana: maybe it thinks the touchpad button is middle click? i think clicking the scroll wheel on a regular mouse is paste, so maybe thats what is happening?
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: im in love with you!
[02:47] <abattoir> nikkiana: amd64 ?
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: i could let the world know!
[02:47] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Thanks for looking
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: thank you!
[02:47] <abattoir> LouKall: dude, i'm happy being single
[02:47] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, now wanna make the mp3 work?
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: hahahahahhahahhahahahha
[02:47] <LouKall> abattoir: might as well!
[02:48] <LouKall> abattoir: its giving me some playlist finished bullshit
[02:48] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, check if you have amarok, amarok-engines and amarok-xine-engine installed in adept
[02:48] <Dahgol> can i manually edit my kmenu entries?
[02:48] <abattoir> make sure they are all the latest... 1.4.1
[02:48] <abattoir> Dahgol: kmenuedit is the tool
[02:48] <Dahgol> abattoir: thx
[02:49] <LouKall> i have everything but arts
[02:49] <LouKall> abattoir: i have everything but arts
[02:49] <abattoir>  ?
[02:49] <Dahgol> abattoir: thx
[02:49] <LouKall> abattoir: yes.
[02:49] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, now run amarok from the terminal
[02:49] <abattoir> Dahgol: heh, was just wondering about the accent... np
[02:50] <abattoir> LouKall: you also installed libxine-extracodecs right?
[02:50] <LouKall> abattoir: yeah i believe i do.
[02:50] <abattoir> LouKall: amarok opened up ?
[02:51] <LouKall> abattoir: yes
[02:51] <nikkiana> cpk2; that appears to be exactly what's happening....
[02:51] <nikkiana> and i learned a new trick to boot.... clicking the scrollie wheel on the mouse indeed does paste!
[02:51] <nikkiana> abattoir, yeah.
[02:51] <abattoir> LouKall: go to Ssettings -> Configure amarok
[02:51] <abattoir> nikkiana: its a known bug
[02:51] <abattoir> irritating one too
[02:51] <josh__> k WOW
[02:52] <josh__> how do you exit X?
[02:52] <abattoir> nikkiana: ok, synaptic right? you said laptop right?
[02:52] <LouKall> abattoir: okay.
[02:52] <LouKall> abattoir: now what?
[02:52] <josh__> i tried ctrl+alt+f1
[02:52] <abattoir> LouKall: engines
[02:52] <josh__> is that how u exit x?
[02:52] <LouKall> abattoir: okay
[02:52] <abattoir> josh__: you want to restart it?
[02:52] <nikkiana> abattoir, yep, it's a laptop....
[02:52] <abattoir> LouKall: xine engine is selected?
[02:52] <josh__> no i want to exit X so i can install linux drivers
[02:52] <josh__> nvidia drivers
[02:52] <LouKall> abattoir: yep.
[02:53] <abattoir> nikkiana: remove the xorg synaptic driver and install the xfree86 synaptic driver
[02:53] <abattoir> LouKall: ok, save it and try playing mp3s
[02:53] <abattoir> LouKall: tell me what error you get
[02:53] <nikkiana> abattoir, thanks. i'll give that a shot and see what happens.
[02:53] <LouKall> abattoir: it doesnt play the file--just says playlist finished
[02:53] <abattoir> nikkiana: there is one more step
[02:53] <Chillaxed> k
[02:54] <abattoir> LouKall: it goes through all the files... and then says that?
[02:54] <nikkiana> abattoir, okay
[02:54] <LouKall> abattoir: yep.
[02:54] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[02:54] <Lord_Athur> why may I have a partner?
[02:54] <LouKall> Lord_Arthur: whats crappinin?
[02:54] <abattoir> LouKall: ok... hmmm can you try deleting the amarok settings file and restarting amarok?
[02:55] <DaSkreech> hi nikkiana :-)
[02:55] <Lord_Athur> I mean, what can i do as a partner?
[02:55] <abattoir> LouKall: ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[02:55] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech!
[02:55] <abattoir> nikkiana: done?
[02:55] <nikkiana> abattoir, not yet.... for some reason the package manager doesn't want to work..... grrrr....
[02:56] <Lord_Athur> LouKall, I don't know, I'm not English native, what's it?
[02:56] <abattoir> nikkiana: hehe... adept?
[02:56] <nikkiana> abattoir, yeah
[02:56] <abattoir> nikkiana: ok, tell me when you are done
[02:56] <abattoir> LouKall: ???
[02:56] <abattoir> brb
[02:57] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: How are you?
[02:57] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: What is your question?
[02:57] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, a bit frazzled, but otherwise good :)
[02:58] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Well we are here to help :)
[02:58] <Lord_Athur> I want to improve my experience with ubuntu, is this a reason for having an ubuntu partner?
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Hi raven5811
[02:59] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: What's the problem you are having with Ubuntu?
[02:59] <timi> hi
[02:59] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, well, it appears that i can't seem to download anything via adept i've been stuck on 'waiting for headers 0%' for the last five minutes
[02:59] <Chillaxed> i want to close X how do i do it.....
[02:59] <abattoir> Lord_Athur: an ubuntu partner?
[02:59] <LouKall> abbatoir: just delete amarokrc?
[02:59] <Lord_Athur> I've some problems, but I've to go, it's important, see u
[02:59] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: I assume that you have net ;-)
[02:59] <abattoir> LouKall: yes, try that
[02:59] <DaSkreech> abattoir: He's gone
[02:59] <timi> i was installing firfefox ysterday and i had to update my lists or something
[02:59] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, well, i assume that seeing as i'm talking in here :)
[03:00] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: aha We think alike!
[03:00] <abattoir> DaSkreech: have any clue as to what he was referring to?
[03:00] <timi> and now there is more stuff in grub
[03:00] <timi> whenever i boot into the newer version the wifi doesnt work
[03:00] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Which one?
[03:00] <abattoir> DaSkreech: dont tell me there is an Ubuntu partner project...
[03:00] <DaSkreech> timi: Use the old version then :)
[03:00] <DaSkreech> abattoir: There is
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Mepis?
[03:00] <timi> yeah ths wht im doing now
[03:01] <DaSkreech> timi: There you go :)
[03:01] <timi> whenever i was done w/ firefox yesterday i shut down the comp
[03:01] <abattoir> DaSkreech: hehe, i hope its not what i think it is :P
[03:01] <timi> and now the resolution is horrible
[03:01] <timi> i don't know how to fix it
[03:01] <abattoir> !classroom
[03:01] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[03:01] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I have no idea what you think it tis
[03:01] <DaSkreech> !resolution > timi
[03:01] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Still not loading?
[03:02] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, nope.
[03:02] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: ever had this issue before?
[03:02] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, nope
[03:02] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Did anything different this time?
[03:03] <nikkiana> and i have a finace yelling at me for using the gui and not the console.
[03:03] <nikkiana> i'm wondering if i might not have a slightly wonky wifi connection...
[03:04] <abattoir> nikkiana: fiance ?
[03:04] <LouKall> grr.
[03:04] <LouKall> stupid laptop
[03:04] <nikkiana> my IM protocols seem to be coming online and offline.
[03:04] <nikkiana> abattoir, yes. the male creature that i'm going to be marrying in three weeks. :P
[03:04] <timi> random question but does firefox or konquere store internet history info and stuff
[03:05] <abattoir> nikkiana: oh, ok... hehe
[03:05] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Sounds likely
[03:05] <LouKall> abattoir: what file am i supposed to delete?
[03:05] <abattoir> LouKall: ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[03:05] <abattoir> LouKall: make sure you have amarok closed though
[03:06] <LouKall> abattoir: open amaroK again?
[03:06] <abattoir> LouKall: yes, please do
[03:06] <abattoir> (*Please Work*) :'(
[03:06] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Oh thumb your nose at him :)
[03:07] <DaSkreech> abattoir: :'( It's really touching to see such care for another's problems ;-)
[03:07] <abattoir> hehe
[03:08] <abattoir> nikkiana: ping me when you are done
[03:10] <Tommy2k4> comp crashed so many times today :(
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Tommy2k4: What's happening?
[03:13] <Tommy2k4> monitor shows lots of multicolored lines then gives the error frequency out of range 31khz/0hz
[03:13] <Tommy2k4> rates and xorg.conf is fine many people have said so
[03:14] <DaSkreech> What kind of monitor do you have?
[03:14] <Tommy2k4> dell 15" crt
[03:15] <DaSkreech> abattoir: http://hardware.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/16/2110211&from=rss
[03:15] <Hawkwind> abattoir: FYI....I fixed my http://LinuxForDummies.org/ forums so that guests can view everything but you have to be registered to post :)
[03:15] <DaSkreech> 31 khz?
[03:15] <DaSkreech> That's kinda low
[03:15] <abattoir> Hawkwind: nice, i'll register anyways :)
[03:15] <Hawkwind> Heh kewl kewl
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> wow weird
[03:16] <abattoir> DaSkreech: one card is USD1000?
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> my xorg.conf has changed
[03:17] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Yeah :)
[03:17] <abattoir> DaSkreech: heh, you can get a mid-range pc for that price :P
[03:17] <DaSkreech> Or a laptop
[03:17] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Price you pay for free hardware :)
[03:18] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Hello
[03:18] <abattoir> DaSkreech: i'd be surprised if it takes off...
[03:18] <nikkiana_> adept won't open
[03:18] <nikkiana_> i try to open it, it asks me for my password, and then it never loads.
[03:18] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: What's the error?
[03:18] <abattoir> DaSkreech: companies like nvidia and ati have huge funding options
[03:18] <claydoh> Nyone have any links for Kubuntu banners/buttons? I seeem to be at a loss searching for some
[03:18] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, haven't seen an error
[03:18] <abattoir> esp. w/ the amd rumours, both are going to benefit if that's true
[03:18] <timi> hey can you get that ubuto thing to send the link for the resolution again
[03:18] <Chillaxed> k OMG HOW DO I KILL X!!!
[03:18] <abattoir> !resolution > timi
[03:19] <timi> thanks
[03:19] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Fine just do a sudo apt-get update from the command line
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: YOu want to restart it?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: Yo
[03:19] <Chillaxed> no, kill it.
[03:19] <Tommy2k4> i know it sounds weird but i think the reason im getting that frequency error must have something to do with xine
[03:19] <abattoir> Chillaxed: telinit something... my brain is fried
[03:19] <Chillaxed> you need to stop x to install NVIDIA drivers
[03:19] <Chillaxed> how do i do that? ANYONE?
[03:20] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech ready for some more questions lol?
[03:20] <abattoir> Chillaxed: telinit 3
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: Alt+Ctrl+F1 -> Login -> top -> kill the pid fo are x.org
[03:20] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Or that :)
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: Do the abattoir one it's faster :)
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Tommy2k4: It only happens with xine running?
[03:21] <Chillaxed> what?
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> well
[03:21] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Well let him fix it then :)
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> normally it happens randomly
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> but this morning i managed to make it reproduceable
[03:21] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, i might
[03:21] <Chillaxed> ctrl alt f1, then login, then what?
[03:21] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: In nay case have you tried sudo apt-get update from the command line?
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> it happened when i was doing find file in konqueror then clicked the tools menu
[03:22] <abattoir> Chillaxed: 'telinit 3' or 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop'
[03:22] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: do sudo telinit 3
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> i had it 100% reproduceable 5 times in a row
[03:22] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, yeah, i tried that.... it sort of works.... now it's hanging at 99%
[03:22] <abattoir> ugh, yeah, sudo
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> (my kde autostart opens quite a few apps)
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> then i closed all the apps and tried it and it didnt happen
[03:22] <nikkiana_> (and i'm now on a wired connection)
[03:22] <Tommy2k4> 1 by 1 i tested them and it was xmms that caused it
[03:22] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: I think it might be working wait a bit
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> but i only started using xmms this morning, i used to use kaffeine and got the same crash
[03:23] <abattoir> nikkiana_: doesnt you being here mean your connection works?
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> meaning it must be xine?
[03:23] <abattoir> unless it is a DNS issue
[03:23] <Chillaxed> oh ok
[03:23] <nikkiana_> abattoir, yeah... but it was being strange.... all my IM programs kept shutting on and off....
[03:23] <nikkiana_> so i went wired...
[03:23] <Chillaxed> ok i did sudo telinit 3
[03:23] <DaSkreech> Chillaxed: No more X?
[03:24] <Chillaxed> then ctrl alt f1 and run nvidia package?
[03:24] <Chillaxed> no, it just asked for a password
[03:24] <Chillaxed> i guess now i can do crtl alt f1 and run it
[03:24] <Chillaxed> i'll try that
[03:25] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, how long should i wait? it's still stuck at 99%.....
[03:25] <nikkiana_> told me the connection timed out...
[03:25] <abattoir> nikkiana_: click on 'Show Details' see what's happening
[03:25] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Is this 99% for the first one or for all of them?
[03:25] <Tommy2k4> so does anyone have any ideas
[03:26] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, the first one
[03:26] <timi> on the screen resolution that wiki thing helped, it download and installed 915 resolution and on the resolution values the correct rs was present
[03:26] <timi> now wht do i do
[03:26] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Which one is that?
[03:26] <rlj> how do i quickly (without touching fstab) mount a fs as root so that any user may access the mount?
[03:26] <Chillaxed> no nothing is working i wanna uninstall linux again
[03:26] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, Release.gpg
[03:27] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: Ah You may have a gpg key missing
[03:27] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: It may just be net burps
[03:27] <nikkiana_> DaSkreech, probably
[03:28] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_: I have terrible net at work and that happens to me 1 out of 5 times
[03:29] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Thanks that was getting annoying :)
[03:29] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: What are we trying to fix? I forget
[03:29] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, my touchpad... it thinks that when i click on it, it's the middle mouse button
[03:29] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Ah right
[03:29] <timi> when i do sudo 915resolution -l i get a list of resolutions
[03:29] <the_hammer> sup folks
[03:29] <DaSkreech> abattoir: You had a fix for that?
[03:30] <the_hammer> how we all doin
[03:30] <timi> i c the correct one but i dont know how to select it
[03:30] <abattoir> DaSkreech: huh?
[03:30] <abattoir> DaSkreech: oh, yeah
[03:30] <nikkiana> i think i'm going to give up for now though.... my internet connection is crappy and i have to go apologize to the fiance.
[03:30] <DaSkreech> For the middle click touchpad syndrome
[03:30] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: apologize for?
[03:30] <abattoir> nikkiana: write this down if yo want
[03:30] <timi> anyone know wht im tolaking about
[03:30] <nikkiana> abattoir, i can do that
[03:31] <abattoir> ok, uninstall the xorg driver and install the xfree86 one...
[03:31] <abattoir> for the synaptics touchpad i.e.
[03:31] <the_hammer> thats the hard way timi lol
[03:31] <abattoir> nikkiana: and then run "sudo ln -sf /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/synaptics_drv.o /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.o"
[03:31] <timi> ok then wht im supposed to do
[03:32] <timi> the wiki told me everything up to there
[03:32] <timi> its says 915resolution-l
[03:32] <abattoir> nikkiana: you are basically switching from the xorg module to the xfree86 one
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> crashed yet again
[03:32] <abattoir> nikkiana: turion ?
[03:32] <timi> then it says if your res isnt there then edit it...but mine was there
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> i wonder why i still use ubuntu
[03:32] <the_hammer> i just go through the menu till i see the res and then click on waht i want
[03:32] <timi> wht menu
[03:32] <timi> where do i go to find this menu
[03:33] <abattoir> timi: you want to change resolutions?
[03:33] <timi> yes
[03:33] <abattoir> timi: krandrtray
[03:33] <abattoir> timi: execute it
[03:33] <abattoir> it'll go into your systray
[03:33] <abattoir> click on it to change res.
[03:33] <nikkiana> abattoir, thanks :)
[03:33] <abattoir> nikkiana: turion?
[03:34] <timi> it only list the really low one
[03:34] <nikkiana> abattoir, no.. it's an ibuypower.
[03:34] <timi> but the 915resolution -l lists a bunch
[03:34] <abattoir> timi: is the res. recognised by X?
[03:34] <the_hammer> ahh
[03:34] <abattoir> nikkiana: which processor?
[03:34] <timi> how would i find that out
[03:34] <abattoir> timi: what is 915res... ?
[03:35] <abattoir> timi: if it some proprietary nvidia/ati stuff... then i have no clue
[03:35] <rds> hello
[03:35] <timi> i dont know its something the wiki on resolution problems told me to download
[03:35] <abattoir> *it is
[03:35] <timi> i have integrated graphics
[03:35] <timi> its for 915 intel chipset
[03:35] <timi> b/c they have resoultion problems i guess
[03:35] <abattoir> timi: hmmm wait up
[03:36] <timi> !resolution >timi
[03:36] <DaSkreech> rds: hi
[03:36] <rds> well sorry i am newbie
[03:36] <timi> abattoir do you want me to send you the link to the wiki
[03:36] <abattoir> timi: no i got it
[03:36] <timi> k
[03:37] <abattoir> timi: you did the 855resolution thing?
[03:38] <DaSkreech> rds: Well if you like I can be sorry too :)
[03:38] <timi> well it similar i go the 915res
[03:38] <timi> i have a new chipset now
[03:38] <timi> so its 915
[03:38] <timi> but i did exactly wht it said
[03:38] <abattoir> timi: and your res is present in the list?
[03:38] <timi> replacing 855 w/ 915
[03:38] <timi> yes
[03:38] <edu> abattoir: hi again!
[03:38] <timi> and at the bottom it had the desired resolution
[03:38] <edu> hi everybody
[03:39] <timi> so i was thinking that was good
[03:39] <timi> but now im stuck with this pretty list of resolutions
[03:39] <abattoir> edu: hello
[03:39] <rds> does all these people  speaking about Linux?
[03:39] <abattoir> timi: did you restart X ?
[03:39] <timi> ahh
[03:39] <timi> i did
[03:40] <edu> abattoir: I restarted, but I have the same problem... can't mount the drive with a blank CD
[03:40] <timi> cntrl alt backspace
[03:40] <timi> should i reboot kubunto maybe
[03:40] <timi> i c there it said reboot but was ambigous
[03:40] <abattoir> edu: ah, the time is correct?
[03:40] <abattoir> timi: ok, give it a shot
[03:40] <edu> abattoir: that problem only happens with blank CDs on the drive
[03:40] <abattoir> edu: ok, so other discs are mounted?
[03:40] <Hawkwind> You don't mount blank CD's that  I know of
[03:41] <edu> abattoir: yes, data and audio discs can be mounted
[03:41] <abattoir> edu: ok, so now it works....
[03:41] <abattoir> edu: did you try k3b?
[03:41] <DaSkreech> rds: Hopefully. If not they should be in #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:41] <abattoir> going by what Hawkwind says, i guess you cant mount a blank
[03:42] <edu> Hawkwind: but then, how could I burn a CD? K3b told me: "error, no support.  Insert a blank CD"
[03:42] <coachJ> R the US repos still down?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> A blank CD has no filesystem, which is what you actually mount when you mount things
[03:42] <abattoir> edu: did you try k3b ?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> edu: Are you using k3b ?
[03:42] <edu> abattoir: yes, I did
[03:42] <TheUni> using the kubuntu live cd, how can i reinstall grub?
[03:42] <edu> Hawkwind: yes, I am
[03:42] <Hawkwind> coachJ: I had to change us.archives to just archives for it to work
[03:42] <wolfmanz> when is kde 4 do out?
[03:43] <Hawkwind> edu: Audio or data CD ?
[03:43] <Hawkwind> wolfmanz: Not for a while
[03:43] <TheUni> i had to install windows, so i need grub at the mbr again
[03:43] <Tommy2k4> to whoever was just helping me: it crashed AGAIN :@
[03:43] <edu> Hawkwind: I wanna burn an audio CD
[03:43] <coachJ> strange
[03:43] <Hawkwind> edu: When you opened k3b, did you click on New Audio CD project ?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: When it's done
[03:45] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech well thats good to know
[03:45] <edu> Hawkwind: yes, but when all tracks are ready to be burned and I press the "burn" button, the program requests a blank CD (and a blank CD is on the drive now!)
[03:46] <Hawkwind> edu: Are you 100% positive it's blank ?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: Yeah. Kinda like Vista :)
[03:47] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech vista is gonna suck they have taken so much out of it they might as well not even bother putting it out
[03:47] <edu> Hawkwind: I tried with several CDs... but k3B still asks for a blank CD
[03:47] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: But. But.. It has 1337 Glass Windowz!!
[03:47] <abattoir> edu: have you tried another brand/batch ?
[03:47] <Hawkwind> edu: Have you setup everything for mp3 support and whatnot.  I believe there are some things you need installed first for k3b to burn mp3 files
[03:47] <abattoir> Hawkwind: he said he did
[03:47] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech lol that just means you will need a dual core machine to see it lol
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> edu: Is the user definately in the cdrom group ? (run groups to find out)
[03:48] <easynintendo> is there an employee/admin of freenode in here that outranks lilo?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> ha ha My mom got the I'm a Mac advertisement
[03:48] <easynintendo> i wish to file a complaint for harrasment against lilo
[03:48] <timi> abbatoir it didnt work
[03:48] <timi> i dont think at least
[03:48] <DaSkreech> easynintendo: Try #freenode
[03:48] <timi> what was the commad to open up the resize and refresh
[03:48] <edu> Hawkwind: my k3b works fine with mp3 'cause I installed lib2k3b-mp3 (or similar)
[03:49] <brian|lfs> sup room
[03:49] <easynintendo> brian|lfs if you are following me im asking you to stop
[03:49] <brian|lfs> no I'm not following you
[03:49] <edu> h3sp4wn: the user is member of the cdrom group, in fact the user can read data CDs, but can't work with blank CDs
[03:49] <brian|lfs> I'm just in every linux room on here
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Kinda paranoid :)
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hi here too
[03:50] <timi> whats the command to open the resize screen
[03:50] <abattoir> brian|lfs: if you are really harassing that guy, cool keep it up :P
[03:50] <abattoir> timi: back? it worked?
[03:50] <Hawkwind> LOL abattoir
[03:50] <timi> im not sure
[03:50] <abattoir> timi: krandrtray ?
[03:50] <timi> yeah that one
[03:50] <brian|lfs> nah I just know he lives in arkansas lol
[03:50] <timi> it said that they should be avaible now, the resolutions
[03:51] <edu> h3sp4wn: "Waiting for disc..."
[03:51] <abattoir> Hawkwind: he changes his nick and acts like a newbie who wants help... he just messes around
[03:51] <edu> h3sp4wn: "Insert a blank CD-R(W)"
[03:51] <timi> no it didnt work
[03:51] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I've seen him a couple of times in here.  He seems quite 'annoying' to put it nicely
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> edu: Does it work if you run it with kdesu ?
[03:51] <brian|lfs> who you all talking about
[03:51] <abattoir> Hawkwind: heh...
[03:51] <brian|lfs> oh don't know him
[03:52] <Tommy2k4> is it safe to clear /var/log/syslog
[03:52] <abattoir> timi: wait a sec
[03:52] <edu> h3sp4wn: I'm trying, wait a sec...
[03:52] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Why on earth would you want to ?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> Man When is gaim going to update :(
[03:52] <timi> ok
[03:52] <brian|lfs> 5 years from now I'll brb
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech :P
[03:52] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Update to 2.0 final you mean ?
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Yeah!
[03:53] <DaSkreech> It's two SOC's old now
[03:53] <Hawkwind> Hah, who knows
[03:53] <DaSkreech> HI Lord_Athur
[03:53] <Lord_Athur> Hi all, I'm back.
[03:53] <Tommy2k4> to make it nice and clear next time my comp crashes
[03:53] <Tommy2k4> @ Hawkwind
[03:54] <Tommy2k4> my comp has crashed like 15+ times today
[03:54] <abattoir> timi: did you try changing the resolution int the /etc/default/855resolution  file?
[03:54] <Hawkwind> Define 'crashed'
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Hey hey. This is the internet so you know what kind of stuff is down there!!
[03:54] <abattoir> *in
[03:54] <timi> no
[03:54] <timi> i just dl the program and displayed the list
[03:54] <Tommy2k4> monitor shows lots of multicolored vertical lines then gives the error frequency out of range 31khz/0hz
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: There are different definitions of crashed?
[03:54] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I was hoping you had done your chores today and swept/mopped the floor :P
[03:54] <edu> h3sp4wn: exactly the same... waiting for disc
[03:54] <Lord_Athur> DaSkreech, I don't have current problems with ubuntu(kubuntu really, it's what i use), but I'd like to learn more about it ir order to become a real contribution. Could a partner help me with that?
[03:55] <abattoir> timi: what res do you have now?
[03:55] <edu> h3sp4wn: I think the problem is not about perms
[03:55] <timi> i didnt think i needed to edit it because the resolutio i wantede was in teh list
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: There is a lot of Nigerian scams and porn today :-P
[03:55] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Certainly.  Some people call a freeze up a crash.  Or various other random acts of unwanted things
[03:55] <timi> 640x480
[03:55] <coachJ> I pluged my web cam in today, kopete reconigized it and config it with out me even touching anything
[03:55] <Tommy2k4> so what would you define my problem as DaSkreech
[03:55] <timi> yesterday i was bettere
[03:55] <abattoir> timi: tbh, the wiki is ambiguous
[03:55] <timi> when rebootd today was bad
[03:55] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Ahhh, sounds like you are still battling xorg problems
[03:55] <Tommy2k4> moparisthebest = ugly
[03:55] <h3sp4wn> edu: scsi or ide cdrom drive ?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Basically not being able to use your computer is a crash
[03:56] <timi> yesterday the res was a little low the screen is 1440x900
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Have you tried switching monitors ?
[03:56] <abattoir> timi: says nothing about what you should do... whether you should launch the program at startup,or mess around w/ xorg.conf
[03:56] <Tommy2k4> nope
[03:56] <edu> h3sp4wn: it's an ide cdrom RW drive
[03:56] <Tommy2k4> dont have a spare
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: That would be the first thing to test
[03:56] <Tommy2k4> maybe
[03:57] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Have you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and reset your xorg.conf ?
[03:58] <abattoir> timi: try reconfiguring X again
[03:58] <edu> can't work with blank CDs! any idea?
[03:58] <abattoir> timi: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[03:58] <timi> ok
[03:59] <Lord_Athur> DaSkreech, forget it, now I don't want to be partner :P
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: What are you talking about?
[03:59] <Lord_Athur> about the last lines I wrote you
[03:59] <Lord_Athur> see them
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: What is a Ubuntu partner?
[04:00] <edu> h3sp4wn: it's an ide cdrom RW drive
[04:00] <Tommy2k4> wow these crashes are getting frequent
[04:00] <Lord_Athur> It's what I wanted to know :P http://www.ubuntu.com/partners
[04:00] <timi> all right abatori it took me through a whole bunch of stuff
[04:01] <timi> i selected my graphics as vesa since it generic
[04:01] <edu> h3sp4wn: that drive is working fine, except when I put a blank CD for burning
[04:01] <abattoir> timi: ok, you saw the res?
[04:01] <timi> it asked me the resoultion i wanted
[04:01] <timi> and i chose it
[04:01] <timi> so now do i restart x
[04:01] <abattoir> timi: you saw it?
[04:01] <timi> yes
[04:01] <timi> and i chose it too
[04:01] <timi> then it was done
[04:01] <abattoir> ok, good, yes restart X
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Lord_Athur: Ah ok :)
[04:01] <edu> it's weird
[04:01] <Tommy2k4> ive reset my monitor to factory settings, wonder if that will make a diff (doubt it)
[04:02] <timi> abbatoir
[04:02] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Have you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and reset your xorg.conf ?
[04:02] <timi> you are the man
[04:02] <Tommy2k4> many times
[04:02] <Tommy2k4> ill do it now
[04:02] <Dahgol> hi. when i try to install a program i get: ./el-130.x86.linux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_net-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:02] <Tommy2k4> does xorg.conf get edited if i boot up with monitor turned off
[04:02] <abattoir> timi: works?
[04:02] <timi> like a charm
[04:02] <abattoir> timi: nice :)
[04:03] <timi> the resoultion is at 1024x768 which is fine with me
[04:04] <edu> K3b can't find blank CDs on the drive... any idea, please?
[04:05] <DaSkreech> edu: Does the Cd turn up on the desktop?
[04:05] <edu> DaSkreech: nope, it's a blank CD
[04:06] <DaSkreech> edu: I think I've had blank Cds turn up
[04:06] <DaSkreech> I think ..
[04:06] <edu> DaSkreech: I see...
[04:06] <edu> DaSkreech: K3b can't find them
[04:06] <DaSkreech> What are you burning to it?
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Data or music
[04:07] <timi> hey abbatoir, what was the command you gave me to manually configure x server agian
[04:07] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Why don't you just set your name?
[04:07] <Hawkwind> timi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:07] <||Trayer||>  DaSkreech: That would take effort ; )
[04:07] <DaSkreech> As opposed to changing your name everytime you login?
[04:07] <edu> DaSkreech: music
[04:08] <DaSkreech> ah.. Hmm Maybe plugins?
[04:08] <Hawkwind> It's kind of annoying to see a user join a channel and immediately change nicks
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Imagine if everyone does that, how much useless buffer space that would take up
[04:08] <ironfroggy> is there some way to say "dont use this repository mirror"?
[04:08] <Tommy2k4> ok ive dpkg-reconfigure server-xorg
[04:08] <ironfroggy> like a mirror blacklist?
[04:08] <||Trayer||>  DaSkreech: >_>; Shh! You know nothing *Looks around*.  Yeah I'll set it in a second.
[04:08] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: You can disable it in apt-get IIRC
[04:09] <Tommy2k4> i predict another crash soon
[04:10] <Tommy2k4> can anyone explain this: http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4776/bugkp4.png
[04:10] <Tommy2k4> broken bars on gui items
[04:10] <jontec> Why can I not connect to the internet while a bridge.
[04:10] <jontec> is up?
[04:10] <jontec> Anyone know?
[04:11] <Tommy2k4> patience
[04:11] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: any idea what option? i dont see anything relevent.
[04:11] <edu> DaSkreech: I'm trying to burn an audio cd
[04:11] <DaSkreech> edu: Right I remember having some issues with that under kubuntu until I installed some plugins
[04:12] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: I don't use any GUI tools for installing/removing/updating apps, sorry
[04:12] <DaSkreech> For the life of me I don't remember if it threw that error though
[04:12] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: umm.. you said apt-get could do it. thats what i was looking for relevent options for... i dont see why GUIs have anything to do with it?
[04:12] <edu> DaSkreech: I see... plugins for what?
[04:13] <edu> DaSkreech: my problem is not about codecs...
[04:13] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: Sorry, I meant Adept
[04:13] <brian|lfs> hey jontec are you there?
[04:14] <ironfroggy> i dont think it can do anything. it has an interface to commenting and uncommenting repo URLs in sources.list, but thats all is ee.
[04:14] <ironfroggy> but i havent been able to access us.archives.ubuntu.com all day
[04:14] <||Trayer||> How does one make the menu at the top (File, edit, view, etc) Re-appear? It's not there = \
[04:14] <jontec> yeah, sorry
[04:15] <james__> what exactly does the command 'rmmod ndiswrapper' do?
[04:15] <brian|lfs> are you in washington DC man
[04:15] <edu> K3b can't find blank CDs on the drive... any idea, please?
[04:15] <jontec> nope
[04:15] <||Trayer||> In konqueror*
[04:15] <brian|lfs> near DC
[04:15] <jontec> not really.
[04:15] <jontec> why?
[04:15] <brian|lfs> I'm in Dc and its saying your ip is in DC
[04:16] <jontec> oh, yeah it's something weird that Earthlink does.
[04:16] <t0vig> is anyone else having trouble getting headers from us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> t0vig: It's down I think
[04:16] <jontec> I've done traces on my route and goes through there
[04:16] <jontec> yeah, all us mirros are down
[04:16] <t0vig> DaSkreech: what are the alternatives?/
[04:16] <brian|lfs> so where are you really from
[04:16] <Tommy2k4> !vga
[04:16] <ubotu> I know nothing about vga - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
 maybe try using the vga driver instead of the i810 driver to see if its the video card or the driver causing the problem
[04:16] <DaSkreech> t0vig: remove us from the sources
[04:16] <ironfroggy> is us.archive.ubuntu.com down for everyone today?
[04:16] <Tommy2k4> anyone think that could be a good idea
[04:16] <||Trayer||> Anyone know how to make the Menu at the top of  Konqueror  with file, edit, view etc re-appear? It disapeared for me.
[04:17] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: :-)
[04:17] <t0vig> DaSkreech: aight, thanks
[04:17] <Healot> ||Trayer|| Ctrl+M
[04:17] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Ctrl+M
[04:17] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: yeah?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Yo!
[04:17] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Yeah it is
[04:17] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, hey :)
[04:17] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, hows ya been
[04:17] <edu> I want to remove Windows XP from my computer, but I can't do it if my CD-RW drive doesn't work on Kubuntu...
[04:17] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Sick sick sick
[04:18] <edu> :)
[04:18] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, not good
[04:18] <DaSkreech> edu: have you tried a non blank CD?
[04:18] <ironfroggy> ah this sucks. im on a freshly installed box. i cant install anything additional now!
[04:18] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Just take out the us part of the URL
[04:18] <edu> DaSkreech: yes, and the drive works fine with data/audio CDs!
[04:18] <jontec> My computer is bridging two ethernet connections, but once I bridge them, I can't connect to the internet. Anyone know why?
[04:18] <brian|lfs> what is the box running
[04:18] <brian|lfs> the freshly installed box
[04:18] <edu> DaSkreech: blank CDs are the problem
[04:19] <_marshall> wats happenin baby?!
[04:19] <DaSkreech> edu: Then it should work with the the blank
[04:19] <DaSkreech> edu: Put in a CD with something on it and see if k3b can see it
[04:19] <edu> DaSkreech: ok, I'm trying... wait a sec
[04:19] <_marshall> DaSkreech: do you know if k3b does dual layer dvds?
[04:19] <Healot> edu: don't remove Windows XP then
[04:19] <DaSkreech> _marshall: Last I heard. No
[04:20] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, edu its not the permissions thing with k3b ie the burning group
[04:20] <_marshall> DaSkreech: dagnabbit
[04:20] <edu> Healot: but I hate it!
[04:20] <edu> noiesmo: I'm member of the group "cdrom"
[04:20] <Healot> because you can't use it properly :)
[04:20] <DaSkreech> _marshall: MIght be wrong check the k3b page
[04:20] <_marshall> DaSkreech: k
[04:20] <noiesmo> edu, ok
[04:21] <noiesmo> edu, just checking its caught me once or twice
[04:22] <noiesmo> edu, sorry came in later on this, I assume k3b see's your burner but when you put a disk in it doesnt think it's got one?
[04:22] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: it forwards to it. i tried that.
[04:23] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Then use something else like it or fr
[04:23] <edu> noiesmo: yes, that happens when I put a blank CD
[04:24] <edu> noiesmo: but other data/audio CDs can be read ok
[04:24] <noiesmo> edu, by k3b or your system
[04:24] <edu> noiesmo: both
[04:24] <DaSkreech> edu: So k3b is looking at the right device for your CDrom then?
[04:25] <DaSkreech> edu: are you sure the Cd is empty?
[04:25] <edu> DaSkreech: yes, it's the right device and the cd is empty (I tried with several CDs)
[04:26] <DaSkreech> :-(
[04:26] <edu> :(
[04:26] <edu> it's weird...
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Man I'm not sure. k3b has always been one of those no problem apps
[04:26] <noiesmo> edu, DaSkreech maybe edu should file a bug report
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Maybe ask in #kde?
[04:26] <Rahab> http://www.noisebot.com/in_communist_russia_shirt_wears_you_t-shirt
[04:26] <noiesmo> more likly ask in k3b not kde you think DaSkreech
[04:27] <james__> recently i was trying to watch a video stream and mplayer would not play it (sometimes i hate mplayer), and in trying to get that stream to work, i installed the xine firefox plugin... after that, the stream would play using xine, BUT ever since then, all of the video that i play on this computer is ridiculously bright, and nothing i have tried corrects that. any suggestions?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Oh Yeah Cause there are loads of people in there!!
[04:27] <edu> noiesmo: maybe I should try with another brand...
[04:27] <noiesmo> I'd say if kubuntu pops up the what to do with cd window then it's k3b thats having the problem not kde
[04:28] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: How many folks do you think are in #k3b?
[04:28] <noiesmo> me and you
[04:28] <edu> noiesmo: nope, there is not pop up
[04:29] <edu> noiesmo: blank CDs don't turn up on my system
[04:29] <noiesmo> edu but no blank do
[04:29] <timi> i dont know if its just me but internet seems slower on linux
[04:29] <DaSkreech> edu: Yep I'd ask on #kde
[04:30] <edu> noiesmo: yes, data/music CDs turn up
[04:30] <edu> DaSkreech: thanks!
[04:30] <timi> how do you get kubuntu to stop saving the history of all the files and urls you go to
[04:30] <noiesmo> edu go kde see what they have to say
[04:30] <edu> noiesmo: ok, thank you
[04:30] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: They have     compisiting in kwin now ")
[04:31] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, cool
[04:31] <noiesmo> timi, are we talking firefox or konquerer
[04:31] <timi> either because it seems they both do it
[04:32] <timi> i also wanted to set firefox as my default browser but that prompt doesnt even come up
[04:32] <noiesmo> im firefox go to preferances and set the cache to nil might do it you can adjust konqueror thru its properities to
[04:32] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: So you can do all sorts of XGL fun stuff with that ;-)
[04:32] <timi> yeah i would
[04:33] <timi> but for somreason its not there
[04:33] <timi> i used firefox and windows and preferences ws there
[04:33] <timi> then apt-got this one and there is no preference under tools
[04:33] <noiesmo> timi, in kde you can set application preferances thru kcontrol
[04:33] <noiesmo> timi, in firefox go to edit then preferences then privacy
[04:34] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, I 'll have to have a look
[04:34] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, been muching around wiith old laptop
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[04:35] <coljstout> Hiddy Ho...
[04:35] <DaSkreech> I need a laptop
[04:35] <timi> yeah i dont have preference
[04:35] <timi> its just not there
[04:35] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, have set up with ubuntu server then added xfce for something differnet man its qick for its age compared to running it on kde or gnome
[04:35] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Yup that's what it's for :)
[04:36] <timi> so everybody else has preferences on there firefox im assuming
[04:36] <timi> i wondeer why mine didnt dl it
[04:36] <noiesmo> timi, dude firefox has to have preferancses under the edit tab
[04:37] <timi> ahaha
[04:37] <timi> i c
[04:37] <timi> for some reason  i remember gooing to tools when i used windows
[04:37] <noiesmo> timi, yes in windows its under tools
[04:38] <noiesmo> timi, it is a bit silly they should be same place
[04:38] <DaSkreech> re hi Hobbsee
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hey again DaSkreech
[04:38] <noiesmo> does anyone know why firefox have the preferences in different place from linux version to windows
[04:39] <ironfroggy> is there a way to set all dhcp leases to expire more quickly, so that if i loose a connection they will be periodically reconnected?
[04:39] <timi> haha ok
[04:39] <coljstout> Anyone know why my open windows are not showing up in the panel anymore? The window is open for the app, but there is nothing in the panel.
[04:39] <abattoir> coljstout: are minimised windows shown?
[04:39] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, this laptop boots faster than my amd xp2500 and its only a p3 800
[04:39] <abattoir> aah ok
[04:39] <coljstout> nope
[04:40] <abattoir> coljstout: is the taskbar applet present in kicker?
[04:40] <coljstout> I am running the exact same setup on this laptop and a desktop and it is only doing it on the desktop
[04:40] <timi> ok so now how do i set firefox to be my default
[04:40] <noiesmo> coljstout, right click on kicker and select add then find taskbar and add it
[04:40] <noiesmo> timi
[04:40] <timi> i set it to check if tis default
[04:41] <timi> but ti doesnt to anything
[04:41] <Tommy2k4> umm
[04:41] <noiesmo> timi, ok for some reason ubuntu kde does not have kcontrol so
[04:41] <Tommy2k4> i broke xorg.conf and had to restore to a backup and im somehow in xfce :|
[04:41] <Tommy2k4> can someone gimme a default xorg.conf
[04:41] <timi> well i have kcontrol
[04:41] <noiesmo> timi, open a konsole and type kcontrol
[04:41] <Tommy2k4> dpkg-reconfigure wont work in xfcefor some reason
[04:41] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: sudo dexconf
[04:41] <timi> byeah im in it
[04:41] <timi> it just has setting for konqi
[04:41] <timi> no firefox
[04:42] <noiesmo> timi, are u in kcontrol
[04:42] <Tommy2k4> dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not
[04:42] <Tommy2k4> set.  Aborting.  Reconfigure the X server with "dpkg-reconfigure" to correct
[04:42] <Tommy2k4> this problem.
[04:42] <Tommy2k4> sry
[04:42] <timi> yes
[04:42] <timi> im in k control
[04:42] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: your old xorg.conf might be backed up in /etc/X11
[04:43] <noiesmo> timi ok now open kde components then file associations
[04:43] <timi> done
[04:43] <Tommy2k4> i restored to a backup and im somehow in xfce which i uninstalled a while ago
[04:43] <noiesmo> timi, you then need to find the file type and add firefox in and move it to the top add
[04:43] <Tommy2k4> how can i set it back to kde
[04:44] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: in the login screen choose kde
[04:44] <Tommy2k4> k ill try that ty
[04:44] <abattoir> np
[04:44] <noiesmo> timi, under text you'll find html etc
[04:44] <timi> ok im looking for that
[04:45] <timi> seet
[04:45] <timi> ok i no what do from here
[04:45] <timi> thanks
[04:45] <noiesmo> timi, np
[04:45] <james__> recently i was trying to watch a video stream and mplayer would not play it (sometimes i hate mplayer), and in trying to get that stream to work, i installed the xine firefox plugin... after that, the stream would play using xine, BUT ever since then, all of the video that i play on this computer is ridiculously bright, and nothing i have tried corrects that. any suggestions?
[04:46] <timi> mmmk
[04:46] <timi> time to get rid of media center i think
[04:48] <edu> ok, I got it
[04:48] <Tommy2k4> yay my beloved kde
[04:48] <Tommy2k4> abattoir, do you know of the problems ive been having where the monitor comes up sayying frequency out of range 31khz/0hz
[04:48] <noiesmo> edu, what was the prob
[04:48] <edu> noiesmo: the brand
[04:48] <ironfroggy> any idea how to configure the speed of a laptop touchpad pointer device? the mouse accelleration setting is only affecting the nub, but not my touchpad.
[04:48] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: you tried setting that when you reconfigured X ?
[04:49] <edu> noiesmo: I tried with another brand, and it works perfectly well
[04:49] <Tommy2k4> setting what? the vert/horiz rates? yes
[04:49] <Tommy2k4> theyre correct
[04:49] <coljstout> noiesmo - Sorry it took so long had to do a disk check. When I open the task bar sure enough there are all the apps that should be in the panel
[04:49] <noiesmo> edu, nice have had that problem before with dvd burners and dvds thought it would have been sorted that was like 2 years ago
[04:49] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: have you checked xorg.conf? do they stick?
[04:50] <noiesmo> coljstout, cool
[04:50] <Tommy2k4> yep
[04:50] <Tommy2k4> i tried a modeline aswell no luck
[04:50] <coljstout> So how do I get them back in the panel like they should be
[04:50] <Tommy2k4> hm the monitor section in m xorg.conf is weird
[04:50] <noiesmo> coljstout, can you not drag and drop it
[04:51] <coljstout> Can I drag the taskbar to the panel?
[04:51] <Tommy2k4> it doesnt have the rates anymore, it has loads of modelines
[04:51] <coljstout> Let's find out shall we
[04:51] <timi> how do you play a dvd
[04:51] <edu> noiesmo: I see...
[04:51] <Tommy2k4> (i know it used to have the rates there and it would still crash, i think my xorg.conf got weirded when i booted up with monitor turned off )
[04:52] <noiesmo> edu, I had to update the firmware on a dvd burner for that reason
[04:52] <noiesmo> edu, but it was in windows system to
[04:52] <Tommy2k4> abattoir, i also get this happening which im sure is related http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4776/bugkp4.png (the broken highlights on lots of gui elements)
[04:52] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: i dont think switching on w/ your monitor would have any effect on your xorg.conf
[04:52] <noiesmo> timi, you'll need some restricted stuff for dvds
[04:52] <edu> noiesmo: it's weird, because I have a SuSE system and I can burn the same CDs with K3b on it
[04:52] <Tommy2k4> someone suggested i try the vga driver instead of i810
[04:52] <Tommy2k4> do you think that might help
[04:53] <noiesmo> edu, is it the same brand burner and model
[04:53] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: i wouldnt be surprised if they were related
[04:53] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: you can try...
[04:53] <noiesmo> timi, you need to add universe and multiverse to your sources.list then you can get libdvdread and libdvdcss
[04:53] <timi> ok i think i already added that stuff
[04:54] <timi> yesterday cuz my sources.list wasnt right
[04:54] <DaSkreech> I'm Heading to bed
[04:54] <Dahgol> hi
[04:54] <timi> so i had to do that to apt-get firfox
[04:54] <edu> noiesmo: nope, the CDs are the same, but the burner model is different
[04:54] <Tommy2k4> my xorg.conf only has settings for 24bit :(
[04:54] <noiesmo> edu, are the firmware on the burner will be the difference then
[04:54] <timi> it says something about 24 bit being the same as 32
[04:54] <Dahgol> i can't install this with adept: libsdl-net
[04:54] <noiesmo> timi, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[04:55] <Dahgol> it just says waiting for headers
[04:55] <timi> thanks
[04:55] <abattoir> Dahgol: in the us?
[04:55] <Dahgol> abattoir: argentina
[04:55] <abattoir> Dahgol: hmm, i wonder if you mirror redirects to us
[04:55] <abattoir> because the us mirrors are apparently down
[04:56] <Tommy2k4> can vga run at 16bit
[04:56] <Dahgol> abattoir: i see
[04:56] <edu> noiesmo: yes, the burners are very different... on Kubuntu I use a LG CD-RW drive, and on SuSE I'm using a Sony DVD-RW drive
[04:57] <Dahgol> abattoir: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Dahgol: Remove the us. portion
[04:57] <abattoir> Dahgol: yes, that explains it
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Make it archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[04:58] <edu> noiesmo: maybe should I update the firmware of my LG CD-RW drive? and how?
[04:58] <noiesmo> edu, i know there was roomer that some dvd burners that we got as single layer burner could be converted to dual layer with firmware upgrades
[04:58] <crxyem> so I'm trying to set up a cron job to mail me when it's finished , but out of the box , the mail command in ubuntu is not present, what is one to do
[04:58] <Dahgol> Hawkwind: ok
[04:59] <coljstout> noiesmo, can't drag the taskbar to the panel. It is sitting on top of it and if I go to config there is nothing in there I can do to move it. The taskbar and panel are not locked I can move them around but can't drop the taskbar onto the panel.
[04:59] <noiesmo> edu, i think you'll find firmware update apps are windows based
[04:59] <noiesmo> coljstout, i'm  not sure about that sorry maybe ask someone in kde sorry
[04:59] <Hawkwind> crxyem: Have you added this to the end of your cronjob:  | mail -s "anything" your@email.com
[05:00] <edu> noiesmo: ok, thanks for your time
[05:00] <crxyem> hmm, I'll try it again
[05:00] <coljstout> noiesmo, at least I can see them now. That is further than I was 10 minutes ago
[05:00] <Dahgol> exit
[05:00] <abattoir> coljstout: you cant move the taskbar to another panel?
[05:00] <coljstout> noiesmo, kids use that computer so who knows what they have done to it
[05:00] <Hawkwind> crxyem: So it would look like this:  00 02 * * * /some/command/here | mail -s "anything" your@email.com
[05:01] <coljstout> abattoir, tried that too
[05:01] <james__> i tell ya, streaming content has come a long way in linux, but it still sucks bad.....
[05:01] <abattoir> coljstout: ugh, sorry, what exactly is the problem?
[05:01] <noiesmo> coljstout, yes well I can add taskbar but cant get it to leave the kicker
[05:01] <abattoir> coljstout: you got the taskbar into the kicker right?
[05:01] <coljstout> No, it is outside kicker for some reason
[05:02] <Raven301> When It says "It requires the Linux kernel module" What should I be looking for?
[05:02] <abattoir> coljstout: you mean it is in a separate panel?
[05:02] <coljstout> yes
[05:02] <abattoir> coljstout: ok, remove that panel
[05:02] <coljstout> k
[05:02] <noiesmo> coljstout, ok as a last resort you could delete the .kde/share folder inside the users home folder then when you log on to kde all the settings should be back to default
[05:02] <Hawkwind> Raven301: What exactly is it you are trying to do ?
[05:02] <crxyem> shouldn't the same happen from a command line if I do #echo "Hello World!" | mail -s "anything" mail@isp.net
[05:03] <abattoir> Rt. click on the panel where you want the taskbar
[05:03] <Raven301> It's for i8krellm plugin for gkrellm
[05:04] <cpk2> Raven301: recompile the kernel with that module
[05:04] <cpk2> or hope you have it already
[05:04] <cpk2> !packages
[05:04] <Raven301> cpk2: How can I tell if it's already there?
[05:05] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[05:05] <cpk2> Raven301: well you can install the plugin and then it will usually let you know =P
[05:05] <Hawkwind> Raven301: sudo apt-get install gkrellm-i8k
[05:06] <Raven301> Hawkwind: That I have installed ... I get an error : i8krellm error missing proc file ??
[05:06] <edu> I'm having a little, but annoying, problem with konqueror... it's a perm issue
[05:06] <cpk2> Hawkwind: it requires a kernel module to be used, he was asking to find out if he has the module or not
[05:06] <noiesmo> edu, go on
[05:07] <edu> noiesmo: only the root can modify preferences, and the changes he makes are not available for the other users...
[05:07] <edu> noiesmo: I wanna change that
[05:08] <crxyem> I get a bash error trying to use mail -s
[05:08] <intelikey> hmmmm i recieved two new linux cd's today.  i think i'll install it.   but i'm not sure how much room it will take... i have a 220m swap partition that i thought i would convert to ext2 and install it there.
[05:08] <coljstout> Noiesen, deleting the share folder did the job.
[05:08] <intelikey> Mail -s   ?
[05:08] <Hawkwind> crxyem: It emailed me when I ran that command you posted
[05:08] <crxyem> I'm using breezy, could that be an issue
[05:09] <Hawkwind> crxyem: Shouldn't be.  It works in other distros as I just tried it in 3
[05:09] <noiesmo> edu, all settings changed should be stored in the users home folder under the .kde folder maybe check that the user has ownership of all items in his/her home folder
[05:09] <noiesmo> coljstout, thought it might
[05:09] <intelikey> anyone know if rh7.1 will fit on 220m ?
[05:10] <dr_willis> I would doubt that.
[05:10] <coljstout> One more question, just cause I'm lazy... How to I install without booting into the livecd?
[05:10] <edu> noiesmo: ok, I'm on it
[05:10] <coachJ> can kubuntu play divix ?
[05:10] <dr_willis> coachJ,  with the right players yes.
[05:10] <crxyem> bash: mail: command not found
[05:10] <dr_willis> vlc, mplayer, xine,
[05:10] <coachJ> which player ans cidec
[05:11] <dr_willis> I tend to perfer vlc.
[05:11] <coachJ> dont know that one
[05:11] <the_hammer> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200 Speed: 2010.316 MHz Cache: 512 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 430/515M [|||||||||||]  ( 83.5% ) | [ HD Model: Maxtor 6Y160L0 Size: 147G with 137G Free ( 93.2% ) ]  | Number of process: 504
[05:11] <Hawkwind> SPAM!
[05:12] <the_hammer> lol spam
[05:12] <DaSkreech> G'Night all!
[05:12] <the_hammer> gnight
[05:12] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, catch ya later
[05:12] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, nte nite
[05:13] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Later man You rock!
[05:13] <crxyem> do I need sendmail or postfix ??? to use mail ??
[05:13] <the_hammer> u guys should try out slackwares its the bomb
[05:13] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, thanks dude
[05:13] <intelikey> sendmail iirc
[05:14] <crxyem> not exactly a sendmail issue
[05:14] <crxyem> the mailx package doesn't seem to be present on my default install
[05:14] <the_hammer> i found some cool shit to try out for all u xchat users
[05:15] <the_hammer> check it on out http://xlack.tk/
[05:15] <intelikey> crxyem isn't it Mail rather than mail  ???
[05:15] <edu> noiesmo: do you know the exact name of the konqueror configuration file?
[05:15] <crxyem> not that I'm aware of
[05:15] <coljstout> Anyone using *ubuntu as a web server? I use its big brother debian for all my servers without a gui.
[05:15] <coachJ> Firefox can't find the server at www.xlack.tk.
[05:16] <the_hammer> i have fire fox and iu get there np
[05:16] <the_hammer> its a bunch of add on stuff for xchat can display stuff like your os and your pc stats all kinds of stuff pretty cool shit
[05:16] <coachJ> good night all
[05:16] <the_hammer> night coach
[05:17] <Tommy2k4> does xchat have identd support
[05:17] <Tommy2k4> cos it takes forever to connect to freenode and i think if i enable identd it will fix it
[05:17] <intelikey> Tommy2k4 identd is not client specific is it ?
[05:17] <cpk2> you guys know if there are any voip servers equivelent to teamspeak or ventrilo on apt-get?
[05:18] <dr_willis> Ive never had to use identd. and it connects dang fast
[05:18] <Tommy2k4> well the client has to be listening on a port doesnt it
[05:18] <noiesmo> edu, most config files ar like konquererrc or kickerrc etc should be in .kde/share/config also you could look at /etc/kde3
[05:18] <dr_willis> xchat for linux does not have an idented server.. for windows. i think it does.
[05:18] <Tommy2k4> gah
[05:18] <Tommy2k4> well im maybe switching back to windows anyway
[05:19] <timi> when i try to run totem it just opens then closes, why is this
[05:19] <dr_willis> Tommy2k4,  too bad.
[05:19] <Tommy2k4> indeed
[05:19] <timi> i can play dvds using kafeine i was just wonder why totem just opens and clsoes
[05:19] <dr_willis> xchat under linux connects MUCH faster to this server then windows xchat does.
[05:19] <dr_willis> its like instantly in the server/channels. :P windows is much slower.. oddly.
[05:19] <edu> noiesmo: ok, thank you very much!
[05:20] <Tommy2k4> it takes like near a minute for me
[05:20] <noiesmo> edu, no probs
[05:20] <edu> noiesmo: see you
[05:20] <timi> what uses m player and xine
[05:20] <edu> bye!
[05:20] <timi> kaffeine or totem
[05:20] <noiesmo> edu, bye
[05:20] <edu> I'm leaving...
[05:20] <intelikey> timi  improper configuration   prolly trying to output to esd rather than arts  or something like that.
[05:20] <timi> hey intelikey
[05:20] <noiesmo> timi, no Iam saying i use mplayer and xine not totem
[05:21] <dr_willis> Install a simple fake identd server. if ya want. theres one written in perl thats about 6 lines of code. :)
[05:21] <timi> o
[05:21] <the_hammer> not sure if this will work or not coach but give it a try sudo apt-get install Xlack v2.1
[05:21] <Tommy2k4> good idea
[05:21] <timi> gotcha
[05:21] <timi> i dont need totem anyways
[05:21] <intelikey> timi hello.   and i use vlc  rather than totem
[05:21] <the_hammer> i use slapt-get so that may not work for ya
[05:21] <dr_willis> http://www.royalaccess.com/fidentd/
[05:22] <Tommy2k4> ty
[05:22] <jmichaelx> i am ticked off at xine and mplayer both lol
[05:22] <dr_willis> sudo fidentd BillGates
[05:22] <dr_willis> :P
[05:22] <timi> so is kafeeine useless since no noe uses it lol
[05:22] <noiesmo> timi, can you open totem without select anything to play and does it crash or is only when you get it to play something
[05:22] <the_hammer> lol dr
[05:22] <the_hammer> sudo -find kill bill-gates
[05:22] <Tommy2k4> is there no xchat script that can do it
[05:22] <timi> it just crashes
[05:22] <noiesmo> timi, if so maybe like intelikey said its config
[05:22] <intelikey> useless, no.    less used, yes.
[05:22] <dr_willis> fidentd 1  WillamClinton
[05:22] <timi> ahh i c
[05:23] <dr_willis> Tommy2k4,  its a 'server' so it has to be ran by root.
[05:23] <the_hammer> theres lots of addons for xchat
[05:23] <dr_willis> a user based script should not be able to do it.
[05:23] <Tommy2k4> kk
[05:23] <the_hammer> im surprized ya cant get to the web addy
[05:23] <the_hammer> http://xlack.tk/
[05:23] <the_hammer> Xlack v2.1 is whatcha want
[05:23] <dr_willis> I doubt it will affect anything  :) that 1 enables identd verbose mode - to show if freenode even asks for idented info.
[05:24] <dr_willis> % Servicing ident request from 130.239.18.172
[05:24] <dr_willis> guess it does.
[05:24] <dr_willis> wonder whos ip that is. :)
[05:24] <the_hammer> anyways laters guys
[05:24] <the_hammer> i got more stuff to add and play with
[05:24] <jmichaelx> i posted this in here earlier, but there are so many streams tha mplayer can not handle, so i installed xine, xine will play some video streams that mplayer will not, but after i installed xine, it screwed the color up on ALL the videos i play now.... and i hav not found any way to fix this
[05:24] <intelikey> x-lack' isn't that a laxative ?
[05:24] <noiesmo> ha ha intelikey
[05:25] <noiesmo> fuuny
[05:25] <Tommy2k4> off to bed cya xx
[05:26] <kanwar> hi, can I ask someone about installing kernel source on kubuntu? I need this to compile the nvidia driver for my Geforce card ...
[05:26] <moparisthebest> hey Tommy2k4 :)
[05:26] <cpk2> kanwar: you mean you need gcc to compile your nvidia driver?
[05:26] <noiesmo> kanwar, you can apt get the nvidia stuff
[05:26] <cpk2> !gcc
[05:26] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:26] <jmichaelx> streaming video is still the single weskest point of linux, as far as i am concerned
[05:26] <dr_willis> kanwar,  its easker to just use the apt method.
[05:27] <intelikey> !ati
[05:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:27] <kanwar> no, its telling me it cannot find version.h in the source tree ...
[05:27] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  youve not fought with wireless cards yet then. :)
[05:27] <jmichaelx> weakest*
[05:27] <intelikey> kanwar ^
[05:27] <kanwar> I have unbzipped the source in /usr/src/linux
[05:27] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: yes i have, lol
[05:27] <dr_willis> I cant rember the last time i watched a streaming video.
[05:27] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: maybe because you use linux
[05:27] <dr_willis> I tend to just use vlc for my porn  ^H^H^H^H^H needs...
[05:27] <Tsed> mozilla-mplayer seems to work fine for streaming video.
[05:27] <jmichaelx> linux and streaming are really awful
[05:27] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  i can do without that stuff at youtube.com
[05:28] <dr_willis> of course ive had sites that i cant watch stuff under windows also.. or the stuff is so badly done.. :)
[05:28] <cpk2> kanwar: you will need to apt-get build-essential
[05:28] <cpk2> or is it build-essentials?
[05:28] <kanwar> okay ... let me try that right now
[05:28] <noiesmo> kanwar, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common then do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:28] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i am a news junkie, i don't care about you tube either
[05:28] <jmichaelx> bad thing is youtube works great
[05:28] <intelikey> jmichaelx call a linux geek a linux geek    but i'v never watched a "streaming vidio"  and don't have any desire to change that.
[05:29] <jmichaelx> intelikey: if that makes you happy , great
[05:29] <kanwar> thanks noiesmo ... will try this now
[05:29] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  for real news. :P find one of those shortwave radio streaming sites.
[05:29] <Tsed> And shockingly enough, the Linux version of Realplayer... actually looks decent.
[05:29] <noiesmo> kanwar, you need universe and multiverse in your sources.list
[05:29] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i listen to audio streams a lot, but right now i would like to get the video straightened out on my laptop (that xine screwed up)
[05:30] <jmichaelx> Tsed: in my opinion, mplayer sucks
[05:30] <Tommy2k4> hi moparisthebest
[05:30] <kanwar> noiesmo, yes, i have both universe and multiverse
[05:30] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i agree, real player 10 in linux is not bad
[05:30] <intelikey> jmichaelx output settings' probably the issue.
[05:31] <noiesmo> kanwar, ok you may need to reboot after so as nvidia driver is loaded
[05:31] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Out of curiosity, what problem have you had with mplayer?
[05:31] <kanwar> noiesmo, okay let me do that now
[05:31] <kanwar> i'll be back after the reboot
[05:31] <jmichaelx> intelikey: how would i find those settings and change them? i have tried everything
[05:31] <noiesmo> kanwar, ok
[05:31] <Tsed> Hell, I prefer mplayer even on Windows. :p
[05:31] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i could make a long list
[05:31] <cpk2> noiesmo: you dont need to shut down x to install nvidia drivers?
[05:31] <dr_willis> Ya got to restartx for them to get used however. :)
[05:31] <noiesmo> cpk2, ok
[05:32] <intelikey> open the app and click the menus settings preferances setup what ever.
[05:32] <dr_willis> Ive installed them from within X.
[05:32] <jmichaelx> Tsed: your experience is different than the experience of most others lol
[05:32] <noiesmo> cpk2, didnt say you need to stop x to install said to get then loaded
[05:32] <dr_willis> I tend to use vlc undeer windows and linux.
[05:32] <jmichaelx> i could make a long list of reasons i hate mplayer
[05:32] <intelikey> vlc
[05:32] <cpk2> noiesmo: i was asking if you needed to stop x
[05:33] <intelikey>  vlc
[05:33] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i use vlc when i can
[05:33] <intelikey>        vlc
[05:33] <noiesmo> cpk2, sorry no not for apt-get ones
[05:33] <cpk2> noiesmo: only way i have done nvidia is by stopping x and then running their binary
[05:33] <noiesmo> cpk2, if you install the nviida package from nvidia then yes you do
[05:33] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Eh, I can accept that.  I just love to be able to mplayer -dumpstream whenever I want, for example. ;p
[05:33] <jmichaelx> firstly, it takes mplayer forever to load a stream, secondly, it cuts most streams off before they are finished, thirdly, it will not play so much stuf
[05:33] <cpk2> noiesmo: so with apt-get you dont have to restart x at all?
[05:34] <noiesmo> cpk2, but its best to install apt ones so when you do updates etc they get updated to
[05:34] <noiesmo> cpk2, yes you have to restartx once the apt-gets finished
[05:34] <jmichaelx> mplayer goes bizirk sometimes if you try to use full screen
[05:34] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Huh.  I haven't had... any of those problems.  *shrug*
[05:34] <cpk2> noiesmo: dont worry i love using apt-get, it makes the system so much cleaner, dont have random folders all over the place from installs
[05:35] <jmichaelx> Tsed: then you need to write a post about what you do, because a lot of others have those same issues with mplayer
[05:35] <noiesmo> cpk2, not worried i mis read your intial question but people should use apt-get were ever poss to as you say keep clean sys
[05:36] <kanwar> hi noisemo ... rebooted but I cannot start X with nvidia driver yet
[05:36] <kanwar> I get the error: NVIDIA module not loaded!
[05:36] <jmichaelx> i think things are improving a lot, but mplayer and xine seem very primitive in a lot of ways
[05:36] <intelikey> is it possable to force a downgrade and then blacklist the newer version ???
[05:36] <intelikey> X Window System Version 7.0.0
[05:36] <intelikey> Release Date: 21 December 2005
[05:36] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Would... if I had done anything special. ;p  The plugin can be a bit slow to pick up a stream embedded in a site, but I don't really have issues when invoking mplayer <streamURL>.
[05:36] <intelikey> that for example ^
[05:37] <noiesmo> kanwar, do this         sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:37] <jmichaelx> Tsed: that is what i mean.... you have to continually futz with it, and give it url's for it to work well at all, and it just isn't worth it
[05:37] <noiesmo> kanwar, this should have come  with it       sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:38] <noiesmo> kanwar, you need the linux-restricted modules i thought the first would have pulled it down
[05:38] <kanwar> noisemo, okay doing it now ...
[05:38] <jmichaelx> most streaming video is a pain in the rear in linux, and the DVD players are nothing great either
[05:38] <intelikey> i'm not even sure where to find xorg-6x....   ?
[05:39] <noiesmo> kanwar, is it grabbin the resticted modules
[05:39] <kanwar> yes
[05:39] <noiesmo> kanwar, kool
[05:39] <kanwar> noiesmo, did i tell you i am doing this on amd64?
[05:39] <noiesmo> kanwar, no you didnt
[05:39] <kanwar> noiesmo, is the procedure same for all platforms?
[05:40] <jmichaelx> intelikey: why do you want xorg 6?
[05:40] <noiesmo> kanwar, as far as im aware
[05:40] <intelikey> anyone know a way to down-grade xserver-xorg   ?
[05:40] <nirmal> !xorg
[05:40] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:40] <noiesmo> kanwar, the last time i told someone to get the restricted modules someone else said it should do it auto so
[05:40] <noiesmo> kanwar, i left it out this time
[05:40] <intelikey> jmichaelx cause i don't want to get rid of all the gui crap on this box  but i'm not going to put up with xorg-7
[05:40] <kanwar> noiesmo, okay will wait for this install to go through
[05:40] <noiesmo> kanwar, cool
[05:41] <Tsed> jmichaelx: I think we just have different expectations, then, as I've had not a single problem with DVDs in Linux with xine or mplayer. :) (and I obviously am not bothered by the url thing... I usually prefer to have the video loading in a separate window than in my browser.  YMMV)
[05:41] <intelikey> nirmal are you sujesting that there would be a down-grading xorg howto on that link ?
[05:42] <noiesmo> kanwar, you should see the nvidia logo on restart
[05:42] <kanwar> noiesmo, i already have installed nvidia drivers under Suse on another partition and I see the nvidia logo on restart
[05:42] <nirmal> its robo info regarding xorg
[05:42] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i don't have problems playing DVDs , usually, but the GUI's for the linux dvd players i have used leave something badly to be desired
[05:43] <noiesmo> kanwar, coo
[05:43] <noiesmo> l
[05:43] <kanwar> noiesmo, its just that i'm having trouble with kubuntu at the moment
[05:43] <noiesmo> kanwar, np
[05:43] <intelikey> nirmal yes with no mention of 'down grading'...
[05:43] <rlj> is it possible to cache the contents of the kubuntu dapper livecd to ram so that the disc can be ejected?
[05:43] <noiesmo> kanwar, i like it better than suse dont like rpm system
[05:43] <intelikey> down grading any software seems to be "un-thinkable" in the *buntu world...
[05:44] <jmichaelx> for example, if you are watching a video full screen, you have to click off full screen in orer to adjust the volume or pause or anything. that in itself is annoying
[05:44] <jmichaelx> order*
[05:44] <intelikey> jmichaelx that's not a problem in vlc  :)
[05:45] <Tsed> Ahh.  I tend to use multimedia keys/shortcuts for volume, so.
[05:45] <jmichaelx> intelikey: it is in any version of vlc i have ever used
[05:45] <dr_willis> rlj,  some live cds have a 'toram' boot optuon you can append/use.. not sure if the dapper one does that
[05:45] <kanwar> noiesmo, i am biased towards deb systems too and find apt-get very cool that's why i want to get it working on kubuntu as its my primary desktop at home :)
[05:45] <intelikey> the mouse gives a menu while full screen vidio continues
[05:45] <kanwar> noiesmo, now to reboot and verify if all is ok
[05:46] <noiesmo> kanwar, k
[05:46] <jmichaelx> intelikey: that is true
[05:46] <intelikey> and volume is in the menu   no?
[05:47] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i was probably too harsh in regards to vlc, maybe i should use it more
[05:47] <jmichaelx> i am just used to real player and wmp and power-dvd in windows.... they all seem WAY more polished than anything in linux
[05:48] <dr_willis> I gave up on WMP when it wanted to download some codecs from a RussianSpyware site. :)
[05:48] <Tsed> jmichaelx: eef.  Okay, we definitely have much different tastes.  I abhor the power-dvd interface (and the default xine-ui, for similar reasons). :p
[05:48] <wolfmanz> what would cause xmms to not play mp3 files on a ntfs drive when i try and load the songs via konqueror but if i load a terminal up and load konqueror from that then i can play songs from with konqueror no problem..
[05:48] <intelikey> jmichaelx k.    i'm just used to 'not needing any GUI to do those things'   "vlc-plugin-svgalib"  and the console becomes a multimedia station.
[05:49] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: and those things are the down-side
[05:49] <cpk2> anyone know of any alternatives to voip programs like teamspeak and ventrilo
[05:49] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  :)
[05:49] <eddie> need some help with adept. I am trying to install some programs and it gets stuck at waiting for headers. sits at 0% downloaded then pops up with an error.
[05:50] <jmichaelx> believe me, it pains me to even boot windows up anymore.... but the down-side of linux is just endless futzing and configuring and reconfiguring
[05:50] <dr_willis> eddie,  ive heard some of the servers are having issues today
[05:50] <cpk2> eddie: you using US repos?
[05:50] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  you dont want to know this months list of 'issues' ive had with windows  :)
[05:50] <jmichaelx> the us.ubuntu servers have issues a lot of the time
[05:50] <eddie> dr_willis: thx, I was hoping it was something like that.
[05:50] <clifton> hi ...how do i Create the Netboot Image for ltsp?
[05:51] <Tsed> cpk2: You are aware TS has a linux version?
[05:51] <cpk2> eddie: if you are using the US repos open up sources.list and delete us. from any entries that have it
[05:51] <eddie> not sure which servers, I used the easyubuntu to install the additional servers
[05:51] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: don' get me wrong, i dislike windows, however, i never had many complicated issues with windows after XP came out
[05:51] <Tsed> cpk2: Just checking. :)
[05:52] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  i would consider you VERY VERY lucky then. I do 'normal' things and have constant issues with windows.
[05:52] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i have had xp on this machine for 4 years, and i don't remember anything serious ever going wrong
[05:52] <intelikey> jmichaelx i know exactly what you mean.   i installed ubuntu on my 66 year old mother's computer (who knows nothing about computers btw) and spent literally hours (three maybe) setting everything up.    and haven't had to go back and tuch it in more than 9 months.   it's all the man hours admining that kills me....
[05:52] <dr_willis> The main diff tween windows and linux..  "when you have a problem in linux, you can debug/test/troubleshoot and hopefully fix it"  - "when in windows, you are often stuck trying some what random and obscoure things to hope it fixes itself"
[05:52] <dr_willis> :)
[05:52] <jmichaelx> i have had more bad issues with kubuntu in one month, than in XP in four years
[05:53] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  you do NOT want to get me started.. :P lol
[05:53] <jmichaelx> intelikey: yes
[05:53] <eddie> cpk2: so if I have http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, I should change it to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ?
[05:54] <intelikey> jmichaelx yes.
[05:54] <cpk2> eddie: yes
[05:54] <jmichaelx> i am not praising windows, but the tendency is for linux users to become blind to the shortcomings of linux
[05:54] <dr_willis> the same  is allready true however for the window users.
[05:54] <jmichaelx> i agree
[05:55] <eddie> cpk2: thx I will try that
[05:55] <dr_willis> and many of linux shortcommings are not the fault of 'linux' perse.. its often the companies   not releasing the info needed.
[05:55] <intelikey> oh and i might mention that i setup sudo on that box so that it only allows her to run an internet connection/disconnection script as root, nothing else.  she cant break it if she trys.
[05:55] <beachbum> anyone having trouble connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:55] <dr_willis> Or its too many 'eye candy/gizmo obsessed programmers' :)
[05:55] <cpk2> windows has the advantage of commercial products and hardware being made for it
[05:55] <clifton> what is the replace command for mknbi in kubuntu 6.06?
[05:55] <cpk2> and linux is free and more secure
[05:55] <dr_willis> cpk2,  and it downloads  porn faster.. :)
[05:56] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: that is certainly the case with wifi... however, i don't think that is the case with streaming video (in many cases, at least)
[05:56] <cpk2> beachbum: they are down, use a mirror
[05:56] <beachbum> thanks
[05:56] <eddie> I know this isn't a skype forum, but does anyone know if or when skype will have video in linux?
[05:56] <beachbum> just checking
[05:56] <dr_willis> the state of video and all the codec  zoo - is scary
[05:56] <intelikey> concures   <dr_willis> Or its too many 'eye candy/gizmo obsessed programmers' :)
[05:56] <beachbum> how do you specify a mirror in apt-get?
[05:57] <noiesmo> beachbum, you need to change your sources.list
[05:57] <intelikey> beachbum in /etc/apt/surces.list
[05:57] <beachbum> thanks
[05:57] <intelikey> beachbum as root, you know.
[05:57] <beachbum> yeah
[05:57] <cpk2> beachbum: the easiest fix for the US archives being down is to just delete us. from any entry that has it
[05:57] <jmichaelx> that codec zoo is a mutual linux/windows problem
[05:58] <intelikey> is the us.mirror down ?
[05:58] <Tsed> Was just going to say that.  It's just ugly everywhere.
[05:58] <noiesmo> intelikey, seems to be the rumor here
[05:58] <cpk2> intelikey: yes
[05:58] <clifton> what is the replace command for mknbi in kubuntu 6.06?
[05:59] <noiesmo> clifton, hang on i used it the other day
[05:59] <noiesmo> just a sec
[05:59] <cpk2> Tsed: looks like i am going to have to build either teamspeak or vent from source =(
[05:59] <noiesmo> clifton, mkelf-linux
[05:59] <cpk2> i enjoy being lazy
[05:59] <clifton> ok thx i will try it
[05:59] <eddie> what is the best nntp newsreader?
[05:59] <dr_willis> eddie,  i tend to use pan
[05:59] <jmichaelx> i just wish i could fix the video on my laptop that got screwed up when i installed xine...... everything is so bright you can't make out what you are seeing lol
[05:59] <noiesmo> clifton, do man mkelf-linux it goes on about nbi files etc
[06:00] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  the videos are bright?
[06:00] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  or the whole display?
[06:00] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, were sunglasses ;)
[06:00] <intelikey> don't the evolution mail/news/crap app do that too ?
[06:00] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: yes, the brightness is ridiculous.... no, just the videos
[06:00] <Tsed> eddie: If you're looking for KDE/Qt programs, after digging around yesterday, there's "klibido".
[06:00] <jmichaelx> i am not sure sunglasses will help :-P
[06:00] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  odd. those players tend to have ooodles of settings and tweaks and controlls to play with. :)
[06:00] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, dam lol
[06:01] <eddie> dr_willis: I've used pan, but it doesn't seem to like large groups like alt.binaries.dvd
[06:01] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  i always got to crank up everything bright for my dim lcd.
[06:01] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: they have setting that do not seem to work
[06:01] <eddie> Tsed: thx, I will look at it
[06:01] <dr_willis> eddie,  hmm - i used to use it for huge   groups like the .rom groups ages ago.
[06:01] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, is this in mplayer or xine
[06:01] <jmichaelx> noiesmo: after i installed xine, i have this problem in every video player
[06:02] <eddie> dr_willis: I was using the windows version, so maybe I will give it a chance in kubuntu
[06:02] <jmichaelx> i did not have this problem before i installed xine
[06:02] <beachbum> anyone here using xgl?
[06:02] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, aah ok
[06:03] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, try uninstall xine see if it solves the prob
[06:03] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, just a thought
[06:03] <intelikey> if you use --purge maybe
[06:03] <dr_willis> try making a new user, and running the aps as that user.
[06:03] <noiesmo> beachbum, I have a system i run xgl/compiz on
[06:03] <dr_willis> it  may be a user specefic config/oddity
[06:03] <intelikey> could be
[06:04] <jmichaelx> noiesmo: i have thought about trying that, but i doubt that will help... and... that leaves me unable to view some streams again
[06:04] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, yes true
[06:04] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, have you tried adding a new user to system and see if it affects them as well
[06:04] <intelikey> so all you GUI heads,  what might cause kubuntu to only open apps in kde under root.  users can't open anything ???
[06:04] <aegeanlinux> I am going back to PKGBUILD writing, if you want me, type aegeanlinux ;)
[06:05] <jmichaelx> i guess i am just disagreeable, but i think linux has a long way to go in the streaming media department
[06:05] <ironfroggy> yeah. i cant watch my adult swim fix!
[06:05] <intelikey> yeah.  and i kinda hope it never gets there.
[06:05] <noiesmo> jmichaelx, thats fine and good but doesnt help us solve your problem
[06:05] <ironfroggy> intelikey: what on earth would make you say a thing like that??
[06:06] <jmichaelx> intelikey: you would be largely alone on that
[06:06] <dr_willis> Streaming media is rather low on my needs.. i tried a few of those sites that have tv shows and so forth under windows...  and.. well im better off downloading them with bittorrent
[06:06] <dr_willis> :)
[06:06] <intelikey> i don't want linux to be windows.
[06:06] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i dont see what that has to do with streaming media...
[06:06] <jmichaelx> intelikey: this is not about linux being windows, it is about linux being useful in many cases
[06:06] <Tsed> ironfroggy: mozilla-mplayer, though Konq doesn't seem to want to find it, works great with Firefox.
[06:06] <ironfroggy> Tsed: have you been able to watch [AS]  with it?
[06:07] <intelikey> i don't want the crowd that loves windows so much, being the next generation of linux'rs
[06:07] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Someone here linked to AS last night, and yes, I was able to watch it.
[06:07] <jmichaelx> there is a lot of content that mplayer can not handle
[06:07] <jmichaelx> what is AS?
[06:07] <Tsed> ironfroggy: It wasn't a CN site, though -- where are you watching it?
[06:07] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i dont see how you are even making that connection... nor what is wrong with those people decided to switch from windows.
[06:07] <cpk2> i havent had problems with mplayer
[06:07] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Adult Swim.
[06:07] <cpk2> hell i even use mplayer on windows
[06:07] <dr_willis> or course mplayer is also set to use the windows codecs.. so  your millage may vary
[06:07] <jmichaelx> ahh
[06:07] <dr_willis> :)
[06:08] <eddie> cpk2: deleting us worked great, thx again
[06:08] <ironfroggy> Tsed: i havent been able to watch it with mplayer-plugin :-/
[06:08] <Tsed> cpk2: Ditto. :)
[06:08] <Tsed> ironfroggy: With Firefox?
[06:08] <ironfroggy> yes
[06:08] <jmichaelx> ironfroggy: make sure all of your codecs are installed
[06:08] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Can you link me to where you're (trying to) watching it?
[06:08] <ironfroggy> they are. it was able to kind of play some of the advertisements, but it was choppy and it wouldnt respond to requests to change the video.
[06:09] <ironfroggy> Tsed: right on the adultswim.com website
[06:09] <jmichaelx> i have had this laptop for two weeks, and i am still fighting to get kubuntu tweaked on it lol
[06:09] <ironfroggy> jmichaelx: ive had it installed for two days and this is really the last thing i need to get right.
[06:09] <intelikey> ironfroggy not that people switch form windows,  but "why" they switch.    if they don't switch on pure (eula) motives then they work day in and day out trying to make linux more like the system they just came from.....  i don't want it more like it.   diversity is a linux thing     something *buntu seems to have missed.
[06:10] <jmichaelx> if i can get some of these video issues straightened out, i will get rid of the windows partition
[06:10] <eddie> thx for the help, you guys are great
[06:10] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i still fail to see the point in that in the context of the discussion it came from. i dont see how that has anything to do with streaming medium one bit.
[06:10] <dr_willis> http://www.adultswim.com/clips/index.html   - the clips are NOT working for me... and guess what.. I am using windows... :) LOL.
[06:10] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i hate to say it, but i don't think ubuntu is for you... you need debian or slackware or something
[06:11] <intelikey> ironfroggy sorry you don't see the connection.
[06:11] <jmichaelx> i agree with ironfroggy. being able to view streaming media has nothing to do with being more windows-like
[06:11] <dr_willis> Yea - they want to install FlashPlayer9.... Joy.
[06:11] <ironfroggy> intelikey: id like to see where you are making it, but you dont seem to be trying to give any clues. you've made points on both sides, but nothing to connect the dots.
[06:11] <intelikey> jmichaelx no any linux is fine.  just that some take a lot more customizing than others...  :)
[06:12] <ironfroggy> Tsed: odd, i went to try [AS]  again and im getting a plugin-not-found box on the page, even tho i have mozilla-mplayer installed.
[06:12] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Hmm.  http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimfix/index.jsp < So far, an advert played, then... it stopped.
[06:13] <dr_willis> ironfroggy,  whats the exact url?
[06:13] <intelikey> yea  flashplayer9  and java jre    and ....    what's the point?     you have linux, and don't know how to use it....
[06:13] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Er, nevermind, I think that's what was supposed to happen. :p
[06:13] <ironfroggy> any idea why the mplayer plugin would stop being found by firefox?
[06:13] <ironfroggy> intelikey: that doesnt make any sense at all.
[06:14] <intelikey> not to you i don't guess.
[06:14] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Unfortunately, I don't.  Try just reinstalling it?  (or just clearing your config, if there's nothing important there?)
[06:14] <ironfroggy> intelikey: the point of those things is the neutrality of platforms, so using them as an argument in the windows-linux arena doesnt make sense.
[06:14] <ironfroggy> Tsed: what config would that be?
[06:14] <jmichaelx> ok adult swim seems to be working for me, althoug, as usual, mplayer is a little choppy
[06:15] <ironfroggy> they have almost 40 episodes on the fix now. i need it back!
[06:15] <intelikey> "neutrality of platforms"  on closed source  windows-third.party things  ???   give me a break.
[06:15] <ironfroggy> they used too only carry eight or so at a time and only on friday nights.
[06:15] <kanwar> hi noiesmo, i still get NVIDIA module not loaded error while start X with Driver "nvidia"
[06:15] <dr_willis> egads -- i rember why i never use IE and windows much.. :P MS's fuirewall just asked me if i wanted to unblock... "Internet Explorerer" :) odd.
[06:15] <ironfroggy> intelikey: it doesnt makse sense that you keep bringing windows in on that.
[06:16] <kanwar> noiesmo, I downloaded the nvidia driver for amd-64 and while installing it tells me that my kernel has rivafb suppored compiled in which I should remove ...
[06:16] <noiesmo> kanwar, dam
[06:16] <kanwar> looks like its a long day ahead
[06:16] <intelikey> ironfroggy how big is your ntfs partition ?
[06:17] <jmichaelx> there are a lot of hardcore linux users who hate GUI's and anything that resembles windows, and think everyone else should have a degree in computer scinces and no as much as they do before they attempt to use linux.... i think it's silly
[06:17] <jmichaelx> science*
[06:17] <jmichaelx> know*
[06:17] <jmichaelx> lol
[06:17] <Tsed> ironfroggy: http://s88946514.onlinehome.us/zed/aswim.png < Seems to be playing fine here, might want to fiddle with mozilla-mplayer a bit more. :)
[06:19] <ironfroggy> intelikey: ZERO
[06:19] <intelikey> (: degree in computer scinces :)     nice  0o
[06:19] <jmichaelx> intelikey: that is called a typo, and i corrected it 1 second later :-P
[06:20] <intelikey> jmichaelx not the typo.  i do that all the time.   it's the idea that hard core linux users  have them....  :)
[06:22] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i know what you mean (although there is a significant percentage that probably does),  others have just been using linux since 1985 and cannot connect with someone who just began experimenting with it a months ago
[06:22] <ironfroggy> [AS]  is why i hate saturdays. they dont show anything good.
[06:22] <dr_willis> heh.
[06:22] <jmichaelx> 1995*
[06:22] <intelikey> ok  :)
[06:23] <intelikey> 1985 unix maybe...
[06:24] <intelikey> generic  *nix   is handy for that kind of statements
[06:24] <jmichaelx> if i ever become a GUI=less linux badass, it will be a few years.... and i will still want to be able to watch streaming video :-D
[06:24] <wolfmanz> windows:D
[06:24] <jmichaelx> intelikey: lol
[06:24] <noiesmo> kanwar, just reading this might help
[06:25] <noiesmo> kanwar, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=266084
[06:25] <noiesmo> kanwar, theres referance to rivafb conflict
[06:27] <jmichaelx> intelikey: speaking of unix, i really want to experiment with bsd & solaris , etc, too.... i had freeBSD on one box for a week or so, but i am not ready for that yet
[06:27] <noiesmo> kanwar, here this is the go http://ubuntu-inspiron.blogspot.com/
[06:27] <noiesmo> Wow! This has turned out to be a huge problem, but I think I've finally got it fixed. First the solution: a script that gets run at boot time at priority 19. Here's the script:
[06:27] <noiesmo> #!/bin/sh modprobe rivafb rmmod rivafb modprobe nvidia
[06:28] <kanwar> noiesmo, thanks for the links ... reading them now
[06:28] <jontec_> Can anyone tell me the link to the .list file for the repos?
[06:29] <noiesmo> jontec, /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:29] <noiesmo> kanwar, i think the little scripts the go from blogspot
[06:30] <intelikey> now that it's all calm again.   the reason i said what i did earlier is that,  in *buntu channels it is very often said 'linux is not ready for prime time'  or  'has a long ways to go...'   the fact is; *nix has been "prime time" longer than M$ has existed.  so when people make that kind of statements they are really just comparing *buntu to winXP and based on their own personal preferances, asserting that linux is 'infer
[06:31] <intelikey> this is not competition.
[06:31] <intelikey> that's all i was on about.
[06:31] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i think that is all valid....    i was only saying that streaming content had a way to go :-D
[06:32] <jmichaelx> but i agree..... and unix is still ahead of windows in many respects
[06:32] <intelikey> jmichaelx but there were linux users that disagreed with you also on that point....   so   <shrugs/>
[06:33] <jmichaelx> intelikey: they also admitted that they did not watch much streaming video (withthe exception of Tsed)
[06:33] <Tsed> Mmm.  Like me, who didn't know AS had full-episode streams... and is now watching them via mozilla-mplayer. ;)
[06:33] <intelikey> hope ironfroggy sees now.
[06:34] <jmichaelx> i am satisfied that streaming media is not handles well (yet) in linux, but it has improved a lot in just the past year
[06:34] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i had never heard of adult swim lol
[06:34] <jmichaelx> i don't even own a TV
[06:35] <wolfmanz> If the linux distros want more windows users then they have to make these distros more like windows
[06:35] <jmichaelx> i don't need linux to be more like windows.......
[06:35] <Tsed> Dear deity no! :p
[06:36] <Tsed> There's just some areas that can use some polish, is all.
[06:36] <intelikey> jmichaelx yes the whole streaming * is relatively new yet.    in time more open source work will be done there, it will grow.   but while things are closed source they choak the 'open source' advancements to some degree.
[06:36] <Tsed> Networkmanager, as an example has single-handedly made linux wireless not only tolerable, but just plain great for me.
[06:36] <jmichaelx> intelikey: yeah, that is where  the problem is
[06:37] <ironfroggy> intelikey: about your previous statements. arent you doing the same thing in your assertions of linux over windows, basing it on personal experience and wants?
[06:37] <jmichaelx> i think wifi is doing pretty well in linux
[06:37] <intelikey> ironfroggy no on history.
[06:38] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Beyond certain drivers, totally.  A year or so ago I was struggling to get wpa_supplicant to work properly.  These days, NM makes it brainless.
[06:38] <jmichaelx> i do have a few usb wireless adapters that i wish would work with linux, but i have not been able to get them going
[06:38] <ironfroggy> i dont see how it has any baring. it doesnt matter what anything could do, only what it does do.
[06:38] <intelikey> ironfroggy am i biased, absolutely.  but the claim that *nix predates M$ is not personal.
[06:39] <ironfroggy> i didnt say it was personal. that claim has no weight or value in this conversation, i was commenting on the linux for primetime issues. i dont care what or when either of them did anything in the past.
[06:39] <intelikey> the assertion that *nix is 'main stream' is not personal either.
[06:39] <ironfroggy> also, irrelevent to the discussions of linux-vs-windows in reguards to capabilities of each platform.
[06:42] <intelikey> "linux-vs-windows in reguards to capabilities of each platform."  see that statement above ^ "<intelikey> this is not competition."    it's not about whos' dog can beet whos'
[06:42] <ironfroggy> then what could you possibly be comparing them in that has any value?
[06:43] <intelikey> every mama crow's little crow is always the blackest crow...
[06:43] <Tsed> In any case, this entire discussion is probably pretty off-topic for a support channel? :)
[06:43] <intelikey> Tsed yeah  has been for a while.
[06:44] <ironfroggy> Tsed: so you say you can watch [AS]  in firefox, even if its a little sluggish?
[06:44] <intelikey> Tsed but i asked three 'support related' questions, and none were answered...
[06:44] <Tsed> ironfroggy: It's only sluggish in connecting to the stream at first.  Once playback starts, it works great.
[06:44] <ironfroggy> i see it running through all the connection stuff, buffering, etc. and then it just doesnt play.
[06:45] <conley> thank goodness the repos are back up
[06:45] <intelikey> yay! us.ubuntu. is up... yay!
[06:45] <Tsed> intelikey: Well hey, personally, I didn't have an answer to your Q, so... ;p
[06:45] <ironfroggy> oh, now its back up, after i go and alter every entry in my sources.list manually to get around it.
[06:46] <noiesmo> ironfroggy, should have made a copy before you edit then its just a cp away
[06:46] <PokerFacePenguin> ironfroggy: should have used kate or sed :)
[06:46] <intelikey> Tsed i know.  i didn't expect any answer really.   i seldom ask a question that anyone in here can answer.   ;/
[06:46] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Out of curiosity, if you do "mplayer <streamURL>", does it work for you?
[06:46] <ironfroggy> Tsed: have to check that.. second.
[06:47] <intelikey> can  or   will...   idk
[06:47] <conley> hang on universe is still down
[06:47] <ironfroggy> Tsed: seems to work
[06:47] <intelikey> conley how can universe be down... it's on the same server...  ?
[06:48] <Tsed> ironfroggy: For the record, via the plugin, it takes a good 30-40 seconds for playback to start here.
[06:48] <PokerFacePenguin> can anyone recommend a nice gui frontend to iptables that plays nice with xfce?
[06:48] <noiesmo> firestarter
[06:48] <conley> hmmm...your right, what is my problem
[06:48] <ironfroggy> Tsed: letting it sit for five minutes doesnt help.
[06:48] <conley> i get to 99 percent on the fetch updates then hang though
[06:48] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Mkay, just making sure.
[06:48] <ironfroggy> Tsed: sadly, the url from the page isnt the actual video, its the "in a minute..." stream.. but i can watch that!
[06:48] <PokerFacePenguin> noiesmo: i haven't tried it on xfce yet, was wondering about that one
[06:49] <intelikey> conley   deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[06:49] <noiesmo> PokerFacePenguin, its nice and light
[06:49] <PokerFacePenguin> noiesmo: thanks
[06:49] <intelikey> conley daz what you got ?
[06:49] <noiesmo> PokerFacePenguin, np
[06:50] <conley> yea
[06:51] <intelikey> i'm checking....
[06:52] <intelikey> conley yeah us. is back down as far as i can tell.
[06:52] <thrice`> anyone use 64-bit with a broadcom dell 1390 for wireless?
[06:52] <intelikey> conley use nl.
[06:53] <jmichaelx> thrice`: i am using a 32bit with a broadcom dell 1470
[06:53] <thrice`> and ndiswrapper i'm guessing?
[06:54] <jmichaelx> thrice`: yeah, i tried hard to get the whole open-source broadcom driver working, but no success
[06:54] <thrice`> well, the problem is that there are no 64-bit windows drivers
[06:54] <thrice`> and ndiswrapper wont' take 32-bit
[06:54] <jmichaelx> ahhh
[06:55] <jmichaelx> thrice`: have you tried asking the guys who did the O-S broadcome driver about it?
[06:55] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Sorry to say I don't know what to suggest from here.  All I can say is that "it works here".  Doesn't help much, I know. :/
[06:55] <thrice`> the bcm43xx friver ?
[06:55] <jmichaelx> thrice`: yeah
[06:56] <thrice`> jmichaelx, sorta...it's half-way into the kernel.  I'm not sure if they're expanding more.  I'll try again
[06:56] <conley> anyone here developed with glut?
[06:56] <jmichaelx> i guess it is in the 2.6.17 kernel
[06:57] <ironfroggy> Tsed: so then a related but different inquiry. any thoughts on why sound would just stop working, if artsd is still running and not muted?
[06:57] <jmichaelx> although a person probably still needs the firmware.... not sure about that
[06:57] <thrice`> yeah, but doesn't support my specific chipset ()though it *should*)
[06:57] <jmichaelx> yeah, it shoul
[06:57] <jmichaelx> d
[06:58] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Sound in general, or only certain programs?
[06:58] <ironfroggy> in general
[06:59] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Well, I haven't had this issue on Kubuntu, but it was common when I was on Gentoo... occasionally artsd would block all other (non-arts-piped) sound.  Does stopping arts allow the sounds through?
[07:00] <ironfroggy> Tsed: it doesnt work for KDE apps using artsd, either.
[07:01] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Hrmph.  Then unless there's some other program bypassing artsd... I have no idea, sorry.
[07:02] <Tsed> ironfroggy: Does, say, restarting your session tend to fix it?
[07:02] <intelikey> oh holy smokes,  i think i found what happened to my gui apps.  isn't there supposed to be some symlinks in /usr/bin/   to verious gui apps ???   i have no links there....
[07:03] <ironfroggy> Tsed: could try. i tried restarting artsd, but it didnt help.
[07:03] <Tsed> intelikey: Yeah... there should definitely be links there.
[07:03] <intelikey> ironfroggy some app didn't start esd did it ?
[07:04] <ironfroggy> nope
[07:04] <ironfroggy> and i was just listing to things earlier, when i was watching a dvd
[07:04] <beachbum> anyone know how to setup smbmount without suid root?
[07:04] <intelikey> aren't arts and esd mutually exclusive.
[07:04] <ironfroggy> beachbum: sure whats the problem?
[07:04] <intelikey> oh ok.
[07:05] <beachbum> i'm getting this error when i try to smbmount on my normal user account
[07:05] <jmichaelx> LOL i am trying to use mplayer right now to watch some video clips from  NOVA on the PBS website..... mplayer is SO shitty
[07:05] <beachbum> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[07:05] <beachbum> smbmnt failed: 1
[07:05] <beachbum> do i just need to add myself to group 1000?
[07:05] <ironfroggy> why does the user need to mount them?
[07:06] <ironfroggy> i just have them mounted at boot, but with the uid and gid of the appropriate users and groups.
[07:06] <beachbum> because i have a samba share on my server that has all my mp3's
[07:06] <ironfroggy> beachbum: so do i.
[07:06] <ironfroggy> didnt stop me.
[07:07] <beachbum> where do you mount them at boot?
[07:07] <ironfroggy> put them in fstab
[07:07] <ironfroggy> like any other mountable device. no difference.
[07:07] <kuzmaster> can anyone here please help me with a totally un-realated vmware problem?
[07:08] <beachbum> doesnt it have to know the user and password for the share?
[07:08] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Again, works fine here... although "SO shitty" isn't very descriptive ;p
[07:08] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: what about your vmware
[07:08] <ironfroggy> beachbum: you can put them in a credentials file that only root and the user can read.
[07:09] <beachbum> ok
[07:09] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i have to say that i don't believe it works great for you or anyone else.... it does owrk, if you are VERY careful lol, but if you sneeze, it doesn't
[07:09] <beachbum> where does that go and what do i put in fstab?
[07:09] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, i thinks my windows xp vm is broken
[07:09] <Tsed> jmichaelx: If you call "careful" "clicking the link", sure.  ;p
[07:09] <beachbum> or do you have a link for that?
[07:09] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: what makes you say that?
[07:10] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, well, it froze while taking a snapshot, and i had to restart the computer
[07:10] <jmichaelx> the video came up in a separate window (which is fine) but if you resize it, it pauses.... in fact it froze, so i had to close the window and restart
[07:10] <ironfroggy> beachbum: do you know the format of fstab for non-samba mounts?
[07:10] <jmichaelx> there is no full screen option now
[07:10] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: no backup?
[07:11] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, no
[07:11] <beachbum> yeah...
[07:11] <beachbum> dont know it for samba mounts, though
[07:11] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: it didnt start up again?
[07:11] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, then when i tried to resume the vm,it said somthing like ......
[07:11] <chemaja> wait, so if i manually partition, kubuntu install crashes??
[07:11] <beachbum> /server/share /mountpoint smbfs userid=foo,passwd=bar,rw 0 0
[07:11] <beachbum> can i just do that?
[07:12] <Tsed> jmichaelx: http://s88946514.onlinehome.us/zed/pbs.png  < That's how it appears here.  fullscreening it works fine, as well.
[07:12] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i think you are nearly unique in how well mplayr has worked for you.... i don't know if you just have the perfect hardware or what
[07:12] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, cant find "windows xp.vmdk"
[07:12] <jmichaelx> mplayer is especially bad with video clips from sites like yahoo
[07:13] <ironfroggy> beachbum: well its //server/share, but yeah. but i wouldnt recommend putting the password in fstab.
[07:13] <ironfroggy> its globally readable.
[07:13] <chemaja> ironfroggy: does it have to be?
[07:13] <beachbum> yeah, i know
[07:13] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Clicking the realplayer feed brings up the real plugin... seems to work fine as well.  *shrug*
[07:13] <beachbum> didnt work anyway
[07:13] <chemaja> ie. `chmod o-r /etc/fstab' -- will this break stuff?
[07:13] <Tsed> jmichaelx: But to be fair, the QT stream isn't quite working.
[07:14] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i WISH it brought up real player for me, but even clicking real brings up mplayer.... argh
[07:14] <beachbum> ironfroggy: got it in the fstab, where do i put the creditial file?
[07:14] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster:  hmm, can you find the file manually?  I would make a copy of all of those files in the image dir (.vmx, vmdk) and muck around to see if i could get rid of a lockfile or something
[07:14] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, it said this "Cannot open the disk 'Windows XP Professional.vmdk' or one of the snapshot disks it depends on."
[07:14] <jmichaelx> real player handles its own content way better than this real player thing
[07:14] <jmichaelx> oops, i meant mplayer thing
[07:15] <Tsed> jmichaelx: Which realplayer version have you installed?
[07:15] <jmichaelx> Tsed: 10
[07:15] <intelikey> Tsed could you please pastebin or even better dcc.send me;     find /usr/bin/ -type l -exec ls -l {} \; > list         if it's not to much to ask.  :)
[07:15] <jmichaelx> mplayer just takes over
[07:15] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, i can get to those files manually, and i have now made a copy of them, but ive tried deleting the snapshot images files-thingy, and that still diddnt work
[07:15] <intelikey> i need to know what kde is looking for....
[07:16] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, is there a way to use those virtuall hdd's in another vm?
[07:16] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin. in a new vm
[07:16] <phisrow> Quick question for you chaps. I've been having trouble updating in Apt of late.
[07:16] <Tsed> intelikey: http://s88946514.onlinehome.us/zed/list <
[07:17] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: any crazy looking files in that directory besides the "snapshots"?
[07:17] <unstablesob> wow, kde definately does NOT suck!
[07:17] <phisrow> Is us.archive.ubuntu.com functioning normally?
[07:17] <intelikey> ty
[07:17] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ummmm, dont think so, ill take a harder look
[07:17] <intelikey> phisrow use nl.ubuntu  us.ubuntu is problematic atm.
[07:18] <excitatory> is there a way to restore the konqueror profiles provided by kubuntu?  i followed the faq to restore my konq profiles to the default kde, but due to terrible consequences, i would like to go back.
[07:18] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, thers a .vmsd, and a .vmem file
[07:18] <phisrow> Thanks, intelikey, it's nothing too urgent, I was just hoping that I hadn't b0rked anything.
[07:18] <beachbum> ironfroggy: nevermind, there's a nice config tool in kde's system settings
[07:18] <Tsed> Uhh... can someone check their links in /usr/bin ?  Looking at that list just confused me -- should those all really have such generous permissions?
[07:19] <intelikey> excitatory rm your configs in your home restores all defaults.
[07:19] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: since you have made a copy of them, try deleting one at a time and see if that helps you out....you know you can move all those files around anytime
[07:19] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ok will do
[07:19] <intelikey> symlinks are 777 Tsed
[07:20] <intelikey> it's the file they point at that matters.
[07:20] <intelikey> and thanks again for the list.
[07:21] <Tsed> intelikey: Always?  Huh.  That just strikes me as odd -- I mean, sure, "it's the file they link to that matters", but with such permissions, what's stopping a user from maliciously changing what they link to?
[07:21] <excitatory> intelikey: what configs are you referring to exactly?
[07:21] <Tsed> intelikey: No prob.
[07:21] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: i would try the .vmem file first
[07:21] <jmichaelx> i just installed mepis 6.0 on an old 500Mhz P3 box..... seems to work really well, surprisingly
[07:21] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, k
[07:22] <excitatory> jmichaelx: i have kubuntu installed on a similar machine.. 733MHz, but ran like a breeze
[07:22] <intelikey> excitatory .kde/  or any part there of.   also  .gtkrc  or other such files in your home.
[07:22] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: some of my images that are ok, have the .vmsd file in the directory, but havent seem the .vmem one yet....still looking
[07:22] <intelikey> Tsed the perms on the dir are what keeps users form hosing the links.
[07:23] <intelikey> generally.
[07:23] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, well im still waiting on this copy to finish, im making a nother copt, cos im goin thru the logs
[07:23] <intelikey> the dirs are not world writable
[07:23] <Tsed> intelikey: Mmm.  Okay.  Just kinda surprised me when I saw that.
[07:23] <jmichaelx> excitatory: i am impressed  that a distro like mepis running KDE could work so will on such an old machine.....
[07:24] <intelikey> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  24K 2006-07-22 17:38 bin   < eg.
[07:24] <intelikey> Tsed yeah understandable indeed.
[07:24] <jmichaelx> mepis is running better on this 500Mhx box than xubuntu does on a 500Mhz AMD K6-2 box that i have
[07:25] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: you may find this link helpful http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/ws_learning_files_in_a_vm.html
[07:25] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: tells you what files are necessary for an image
[07:25] <Tsed> KDE in general is pretty speedy, ime.  It can use a good bit of RAM, but beyond that, I'm generally impressed with its performance on low-end machines.
[07:26] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, while ive been waiting, i looked at the file sizes of the 2 files, and the .vmsd is 0kb, and the .vmem is like 733mb (733 183KB)
[07:26] <jmichaelx> Tsed: i am surprised, but that seems to be the case
[07:27] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: check out that link i dropped on ya
[07:27] <Tsed> jmichaelx: KDE is one of those nice rare projects that, despite getting more featureful as it ages, has actually gotten faster as well. :)
[07:27] <intelikey> Tsed in my experance with kde2 and gnome1  and later, kde is better on low low end boxes than gnome is.  actually a smaller foot print.
[07:27] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: basically, .vmem only exists if running or crashed...a paging file...delete it
[07:28] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, thanx for it, and i have done. the reason for the .vmem file sounds right
[07:28] <jmichaelx> Tsed: very impressive
[07:28] <intelikey> but i tend to dis agree with the 'faster as it ages' shmuck...  :)
[07:28] <Tsed> Compare KDEv2 to KDEv3 to KDEv3.2, then.
[07:28] <jmichaelx> even though, i am planning on using fluxbox with this mepis box
[07:28] <chemaja> guys, will https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/47194 be fixed in the kubuntu dapper iso? this is the bug where manually partitioning crashes the installer.
[07:28] <Tsed> Never used v1, so I can't talk there.
[07:29] <chemaja> ie. 6.06 LTS ISOs, do they get bugfixes too?
[07:29] <intelikey> Tsed i don't have v3 but v2 & v3.2 is my referance point.
[07:29] <b_> HI i need some help
[07:29] <b_> my uestion is...
[07:30] <intelikey> but i must admit, that on a low low end box neither install of kde was default.  that matters of course.
[07:30] <b_> everytime i run the command apt-get install nepenthes i keep getting the error in konsole saying
[07:30] <b_> b@b-desktop:~$ apt-get install nepenthes
[07:30] <b_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:30] <b_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[07:30] <intelikey> sudo
[07:30] <intelikey> !sudo
[07:30] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:30] <intelikey> b_ ^
[07:30] <b_> opps
[07:30] <b_> lol
[07:31] <ChefWill> anyone know if there is a way to prevent kubuntu from dimming screen to save power on laptop?
[07:31] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: let me know the outcome...might need to do that one day for one of mine :P
[07:31] <Tsed> intelikey: My experience with v2 was that it was somewhat sluggish on a 450Mhz P3 with a good amount of RAM.  Not so much with 3.2+.
[07:31] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, will doo, just about to do it now
[07:31] <b_> ok i got another question
[07:32] <Tsed> intelikey: But then, I was comparing Mandrake(v2) to a Gentoo install(v3.2), so hey, not very fair, I suppose.
[07:32] <intelikey> Tsed that's not low low end....  low end maybe.    but i'm talking p100mmx 64m  and comparable
[07:32] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, nope diddnt work
[07:32] <intelikey> agreed on the distro diff also
[07:32] <jmichaelx> kde 3.5.3 is working well with mepis on this 500Mhz P3 machine.... very well. not sluggish at all
[07:33] <Tsed> intelikey: KDE may have gotten a bit more RAM intensive, so 64MB... eek.
[07:33] <intelikey> Tsed i can run dapper on 64m with no swap.
[07:33] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: i thought we had it whipped....that link will probably help you immensely in determining just where you went wrong.  There still might be some other files in there that are wack
[07:33] <intelikey> kde ^ that
[07:33] <Tsed> intelikey: With full KDE?  Impressive.
[07:33] <b_> my question is when trying to install firefox threw adept.. under the Requested column, it states Break Install in red letters
[07:34] <b_> what does that mean
[07:34] <b_> it will not let me install firefox
[07:34] <intelikey> yes full kde.  but i generally customize things by the second day.
[07:34] <jmichaelx> this i am still going to primarily use fluxbox
[07:34] <Tsed> intelikey: In any case, at least 3.x has gotten faster with pretty much every version.  *that* I have a fair playing field to compare. :)
[07:35] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, the only other one is a .vmx~, which im pretty sure a text editor in kubuntu creates as a backup (this vm was originally from kubuntu)
[07:35] <intelikey> b_  i don't know about adept there  try installing in the terminal/konsole  sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:35] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ill delete that to tho
[07:35] <Tsed> intelikey: 3.0 -> 3.2 was a huge difference.  3.2 -> 3.3 was a decent update, and it's been pretty minor changes since.  Supposedly QT4 delivers even more performance bonuses, so we'll see. :)
[07:35] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: you gotta have a vmx
[07:36] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, i do, allong with that backup file
[07:37] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: have you read your logfiles?
[07:37] <intelikey> Tsed ok the default installs of 3.x  probably.  cause each new subversion is just an improved 3.0  so that makes sense.  the major rewrites thow don't show the same improvements,  they have improvements just not speed as far as i can tell.
[07:37] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, im reading my log file now, and i found this that i thinks is interresting
[07:38] <kuzmaster> hang on
[07:38] <intelikey> growing by a magnatude seldom means faster  :)
[07:38] <intelikey> not saying it can't happen.  of course.
[07:39] <b_> i dunn whats up this is my problme (not spam)
[07:39] <b_> b@b-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:39] <b_> Password:
[07:39] <b_> Reading package lists... Done
[07:39] <b_> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:39] <b_> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[07:39] <b_> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[07:39] <b_> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[07:39] <b_> or been moved out of Incoming.
[07:39] <jmichaelx> it also appears to me  that a 500Mhz P3 cpu is a lot better than a 500Mhz AMD k6-2 lol
[07:39] <b_> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[07:40] <b_> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[07:40] <b_> that package should be filed.
[07:40] <b_> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[07:40] <b_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:40] <b_>   firefox: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0) but it is not installable
[07:40] <b_>            Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[07:40] <abattoir> !paste > b_
[07:40] <b_>            Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2) but it is not installable
[07:40] <b_> E: Broken packages
[07:40] <b_> b@b-desktop:~$
[07:40] <kuzmaster> !flood
[07:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:40] <jmichaelx> xubuntu works ok on my AMD machine, but not great
[07:41] <jontec> Can anyone get onto the Kubuntu Wiki?
[07:43] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, i found this im my log thingy, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18669 (its only 3 lines), im gonna c if there is any folder in the folders that all the vm files are loacted
[07:43] <noiesmo> jontec, no it looks down
[07:43] <intelikey> i need to read the freenode page again.  does not being registered prevent dcc things ?
[07:43] <chemaja> whoop i think i broke it
[07:43] <chemaja> i was just browsing it before it must have been me ;-)
[07:43] <b_> intelikey ill try once this file starts downloading
[07:44] <jontec> dangit! lol. I was posting a new article on bridging connections and I think I'm gonna end up lose all two hours of the work.
[07:44] <jontec> and I'm definitely not writing it over.
[07:44] <b_> kk
[07:45] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ill also post a part of my log thats complaining alot, hopfully you can understand it more than me
[07:45] <intelikey> b_ i can paste you the four lines you need in your /etc/apt/sources.list  if you can sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list   and paste them in.
[07:46] <b_> ok lets try
[07:46] <jmichaelx> israel is bombing cities again....
[07:47] <jmichaelx> sorry for the off-topic
[07:47] <aegeanlinux> :D perfectly OK jmichaelx
[07:47] <b_> wait inteli, wouldn't that be the same as managing repositories
[07:47] <aegeanlinux> it's good too see those sorts of things scroll past (sort of)
[07:47] <aegeanlinux> if you know what I mean
[07:47] <jmichaelx> yeah
[07:47] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, the part of the log that complains alot http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18670
[07:48] <jmichaelx> just sad that over a third of the casualties are kids
[07:48] <b_> that code you just sent me looks like it can be done threw adept by managing repositories, am i wrong
[07:48] <b_> ?
[07:48] <intelikey> b_ no you are correct.  it can be.
[07:49] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, u there?
[07:49] <intelikey> b_ i edit my sources.list by hand.  but you don't have to.   i like to keep things as KLEEN as possable.
[07:49] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: yeah, was reading
[07:51] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: i cant make anything out of that....i would hang on to your pastebin links and try to explain to the #vmware channel....i think i have run out of things to try...unless there are more files you can copy back and delete others
[07:51] <intelikey> too kleen some times  eeh Tsed ?    hehhe
[07:52] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: your system states are spread out through the multiple files (gathered from that link)....so you gotta figure out what you can delete (probably by trial and error)
[07:53] <Tsed> intelikey: Pardon?
[07:53] <intelikey> what would you use to monitor sshd  to see who and where is trying to connect and why they failed ?
[07:53] <PokerFacePenguin> intelikey: /var/log
[07:53] <intelikey> Tsed sorry,  didn't know you were busy.   just a referance to my missing symlinks
[07:54] <b_> nope srry did not work i managed  repos and edit cource and same problem
[07:54] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ok, and ive tried in the vmware channel but no one is replying
[07:54] <intelikey> b_ did you  sudo apt-get update   ?
[07:54] <intelikey> have to update after changes to sources.list.
[07:55] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: i think you are gonna have to do it by trial and error then if no experts in that channel are steppin up....I don't think i got the answer for ya
[07:55] <Tsed> intelikey: Ahh. :)  And re: sshd, I'm trying to remember the name of a program... sec. :p
[07:55] <kuzmaster> PokerFacePenguin, ok, thanx for the help tho, it was greatly apprecated
[07:55] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: np
[07:56] <b_> i apologize i did not do that
[07:56] <intelikey> what is " apologize "  ???
[07:57] <b_> im sorry for being stupid
[07:57] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: we probably should have had our conversation in the vmware channel, cuz somebody will always step up to tell ya that you are wrong :P
[07:57] <intelikey> you are not stupid.
[07:57] <b_> well yes and no
[07:57] <jmichaelx> i'm the only stupid person in here at the moment. don't crowd my territory, b_
[07:58] <intelikey> #Apologize /Apologize/ (?), v. i. [imp. & p. p. Apologized (?); p. pr. & vb. n. Apologizing.]  [Cf. F. apologiser.]  1. To make an apology or defense. Dr. H. More. 2. To make an apology or excuse; to make acknowledgment of some fault or offense, with expression of regret for it, by way of amends; -- with for; as, my correspondent apologized for not answering my letter. To apologize for his insolent language. Froude.
[07:58] <intelikey> Apologize /Apologize/, v. t. To defend. [Obs.]  The Christians . . . were apologized by Plinie. Dr. G. Benson.
[07:58] <intelikey> oh krap.  that posted to the channel didn't it
[07:58] <b_> i dunno i guess i just run into a lot of programs errors
[07:58] <b_> yes you did
[07:59] <intelikey> i have  adictionary script but i didn't think that command posted i thought that was the privet one.
[08:00] <b_> well i think this problem ive beeen having is ubuntus faults or the way my packets or being routed over the net
[08:00] <b_> its seems when i aptget update whatever command the update freezes on number 6
[08:01] <b_> so imma drop this for rightnow
[08:01] <Tsed> intelikey: Erk, uh. I was going to suggest maybe snort, but I have a feeling that'll be serious overkill.  I take it the ssh logs aren't sufficient?  Maybe just customizing the log output would help?
[08:02] <intelikey> b_ there have been problems with the us.ubuntu mirror today.    you could prepend  nl.  to each ubuntu line except security updates
[08:02] <intelikey> Tsed is the log turned off by default ?
[08:02] <intelikey> maybe i should edit /etc/ssh/*
[08:03] <b_> ill give it a few days mayube a reinstall to see if it finally works
[08:03] <Tsed> intelikey: Looks like it might be, yeah.
[08:04] <intelikey> b_ save your sources.list file  you can compare notes on it later.
[08:05] <intelikey> Tsed i can connect locally through ssh    does sshd_config have to have a "listen" line ?
[08:05] <intelikey> err listenaddress
[08:05] <intelikey> sorry.
[08:06] <Tsed> intelikey: Nope, the default config should allow remote connections, last I tried.
[08:07] <Tsed> intelikey: Yep, works fine by default here.
[08:07] <intelikey> k
[08:08] <Kadran> hi i have a strange problem!!
[08:08] <lafnlab> what would that be kadran?
[08:08] <intelikey> Q.   PermitEmptyPasswords no    if that was set to yes and i made a guest accound and did passwd -d guest   would guest be able to login without a passwd  or would all ?
[08:08] <Kadran> after a while the system is changing it's gateway, ipaddress, and delete the dns?
[08:08] <Tsed> intelikey: looks like sshd logs to /var/log/auth.log by default, for the record.
[08:08] <Kadran> who could that happen?
[08:09] <intelikey> jack
[08:09] <lafnlab> Kadran, are you using DSL? Why kind of networking do you have setup?
[08:10] <intelikey> because kind ?
[08:10] <Kadran> lafnlab: i have a DSL and this problem apeared when i requested a static IP from the isp
[08:10] <intelikey> <-- grammar nazi
[08:10] <Tsed> When password authentication is allowed, it specifies whether the server allows login to accounts with empty password strings.  The default is no. < Sounds like it's just users with blank passwords that would be okay.  That is, users still have to enter their passwords, it's just that it'll now allow users who have blank passwords to login.  Normally disallowing that as a security risk.
[08:11] <lafnlab> HMM. I have DSL, but a dynamic ip. Who is your ISP?
[08:12] <intelikey> tsed normally, yes.   on a nosuid system... prolly not.
[08:12] <intelikey> well fork bombs and the like would still be a risk
[08:13] <Kadran> lafnlab: it is an ISP in egypt, it was perfect with dynamic ip. what could be changeing it? i have the internet disconnected after a while and once i retype the dns , ip and gateway it comes normal
[08:13] <Kadran> it is even change the ip in a range that is not defined in the router ip address rang!
[08:14] <intelikey> what's this file   /usplash_fifo  ?
[08:14] <intelikey> nm i see.
[08:14] <lafnlab> Kadran, I was going to suggest http://www.dslreports.com/ but i don't think they have any Egyptian ISP's. How often does it rest the info?
[08:14] <lafnlab> ` rest the info?
[08:15] <lafnlab> reset the info
[08:15] <lafnlab> damn spelling
[08:15] <lafnlab> trying to type and smoke at the same time
[08:16] <Kadran> :D ok lafnlab, i just need a startpoint so i can know what is the problem, thanks alot i will check this site now
[08:16] <b_> is anyone familiar with nepenthes
[08:18] <intelikey> nepenthes - versatile tool to collect malware by emulating widespread vulnerabilities
[08:19] <b_> did you look that up? lol
[08:19] <intelikey> apt-cache search nepenthes
[08:19] <intelikey> detailed discript
[08:19] <intelikey>  Nepenthes is a low interaction honeypot which emulates known vulnerabilities
[08:19] <intelikey>  to collect information about potential attacks. It is designed to emulate
[08:19] <intelikey>  vulnerabilties worms use to spread, and to capture these worms. As there are
[08:19] <intelikey>  many possible ways for worms to spread, Nepenthes is modular. There are
[08:19] <intelikey>  module interface to
[08:20] <intelikey> from apt-cache show nepenthes
[08:21] <intelikey> b_ what do you want to know about it ?
[08:21] <Kadran> does any one know a command for changing the gateway and also to add dsn?
[08:22] <intelikey> Kadran ifconfig ?   i'm kinda network illiterate really.
[08:22] <b_> i was jsut wondering if anyone had it running under ku
[08:23] <b_> this is why i came to linux because my windows honeypot would be compromised in 10 mised so i had to reinstalled windows everyday
[08:23] <Kadran> intelikey: ifconfig eth0 ???
[08:23] <b_> i heard this is a good program just wondering if antyone had it running
[08:23] <Kadran> i couldn't understand the man page !!
[08:23] <Kadran> :D
[08:24] <b_> i dunno im 19 im currious about malware and how it spreads
[08:24] <b_> i also collect viruses dunno don;t ask
[08:25] <intelikey> Kadran i really don't know networking....    but it's something like    ifconfig eth0 192.165.12.12 255.255.255.121 up           ficonfig device address mask operation    i think.
[08:26] <farous> b_: did you search for this program in the repos check packages.ubuntu.com
[08:26] <intelikey> b_ you want to collect virii   run windows...  <shrugs/>
[08:26] <Kadran> yeah that's good, but i need a fast way to change the gateway, and add dns.
[08:26] <intelikey> farous i just posted from apt-cache on it.  there fore it's in the repos.
[08:26] <b_> i do run windows with linux on the side but i rather have my honeypot not compromised every 5 seconds
[08:27] <farous> intelikey: great sorry did not read your post
[08:27] <b_> yes i sudo the apt and the package wasnot found on repos
[08:27] <b_> so
[08:27] <b_> i had to download from their homepage
[08:27] <farous> b_: add the extra repos
[08:27] <farous> !easysource > b_
[08:27] <intelikey> b_ but you could not update your package database...
[08:27] <farous> check ubotu post
[08:28] <b_> lol thats where my problems began, i added to repos and hit apply but when i hit apply everything goes back to the gray shade
[08:28] <intelikey> farous b_ has my sources.list   but but but but....
[08:28] <farous> b_: gray i do not understand
[08:28] <test> can anybody tell me how to enable the gtk greeter in the login manager?
[08:29] <farous> sudo apt-get update in command line
[08:30] <b_> farous.. when you go to manage repos some lines are black which are enabled and others or gray which are disabled, when i try to enable ones that aare gray and hit apply, the lines i selected to enable go back to gray or disable
[08:31] <farous> b_: and how you do that through adept synaptic, which front end you use
[08:31] <b_> i think linux is telling me hey you wanna mess with viruses go back to windows keep that crap away from us
[08:31] <b_> lol
[08:31] <intelikey> b_ i can repost the repos if needed.  if you want to close adept and edit /etc/apt/sources.list   then do the  sudo apt-get update   command.
[08:31] <farous> b_: are you using a text editor and editing the file directly
[08:32] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[08:32] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[08:32] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[08:32] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main universe
[08:32] <intelikey> complements of   /exec -o grep -v '#' /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:32] <farous> intelikey: it is wiser to use the pastebin for that
[08:32] <b_> man you guys are so kind
[08:32] <b_> why are you so helpful
[08:32] <b_> lol
[08:33] <intelikey> yeah i know.  four lines is a lot if the channel is busy.
[08:33] <b_> farous i manage repos threw adept
[08:33] <farous> intelikey: it is good though for i did not know there were a restricted repos
[08:33] <farous> \:)
[08:33] <intelikey> :)
[08:34] <farous> b_: you might try editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file directly
[08:34] <intelikey> actually there are a few more.  but that pretty much covers anything you will ever need in *buntu
[08:35] <b_> im trying that again rightnow
 b_: you might try editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file directly  <--- like i said 4 times now.....
[08:35] <farous> intelikey: so is restricted simialr to non-free in debian?
[08:35] <b_> i know you did and i tried it
[08:35] <intelikey> yeah
[08:35] <farous> cool
[08:36] <intelikey> err actually no    yes and no.  it's way short of that but simular
[08:38] <farous> intelikey: lol i have restricted in my sources.list seems though i never seemed to use it :)
[08:38] <b_> ok etc/apt/sources.list would be in the same directory as system:/media/hda1/etc/apt am i wrong
[08:39] <intelikey> ?
[08:39] <farous> b_: ? what are you trying to edit are you editing a cdrom
[08:39] <intelikey>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <b_> no trying to figure out where etc/apt is
[08:40] <b_> that owuld be under system:/media/hda1/etc/apt
[08:40] <intelikey> file:///etc/apt/sources.list
[08:40] <intelikey> no  /
[08:40] <farous> it is the same as intelikey posted
[08:40] <intelikey>   /
[08:40] <b_> good damnit i need a book
[08:40] <farous> under the root dir /
[08:40] <intelikey>  ////////
[08:40] <farous> b_: just type gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list in a terminal
[08:40] <intelikey> gedit on kubuntu ?
[08:40] <farous> ok kwrite
[08:41] <intelikey> gksudo for that matter ?>
[08:41] <farous> intelikey: i like to mix
[08:41] <intelikey> kdesu kate
[08:41] <intelikey> hehhe  or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:41] <intelikey> that's generic
[08:42] <farous> intelikey: not all people specially new users like nano
[08:42] <intelikey> liking and using are not synonamus
[08:42] <farous> but you are right i should have used the kde way
[08:42] <b_> b@b-desktop:~$ gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:42] <b_> bash: gksudo: command not found
[08:42] <b_> hahahhaha
[08:43] <farous> b_: use the line posted by intelikey
[08:43] <intelikey> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <farous> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <intelikey> :)
[08:43] <intelikey> insist on a gui don't we !
[08:43] <farous> :)
[08:43] <intelikey> lol
[08:44] <farous> intelikey: newbies "which i think new users is better term" are used to it and like it more
[08:44] <intelikey> sudo kill -9 -1      big boy !
[08:44] <intelikey> :)
[08:45] <intelikey> dat'll fix ya up.
[08:45] <b_> ahahha
[08:45] <crimsun> anyone using a ThinkPad with the UK keymap?
[08:46] <intelikey> crimsun will you be around for a bit ?
[08:46] <farous> now that is a new one. i am connected to the net through irc but no other connection is possible they are blocked sowmhow?
[08:46] <crimsun> intelikey: somewhat; I'm preoccupied w/ configuring a Kubuntu install atm
[08:47] <intelikey> crimsun k, nm
[08:47] <intelikey> it's not important.
[08:47] <intelikey> farous iptables -L
[08:47] <Tsed> farous: Well, new users may not like nano, but at least it's definitely installed. :)
[08:48] <farous> Tsed: :)
[08:48] <intelikey> Tsed yup  unless i set it up    lol
[08:48] <farous> intelikey: i think it is my router
[08:48] <intelikey> oh not local to that box,  i see.
[08:48] <Tsed> And hell, at least we're not throwing vi at 'em/ ;)
[08:48] <farous> by the way i run fluxbox or ion with a mix from gnome and kde :)
[08:48] <intelikey> yeah
[08:48] <intelikey> twm
[08:49] <intelikey> farous twm
[08:49] <b_> ok i just edited the source, and saved
[08:49] <farous> Tsed: yet better go with what people are familar with
[08:49] <b_> update now?
[08:49] <farous> intelikey: twm ?
[08:49] <b_> or sudo something
[08:49] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update
[08:49] <farous> intelikey:  ah your window manager ok
[08:49] <intelikey> twm = tiny window manager    the main stay for XFree back in the day.
[08:50] <farous> give me a min to fix this stupid router
[08:50] <intelikey> if you only had X you had twm  any other wm was optional
[08:50] <wired> yo
[08:50] <wired> anyone awake?
[08:50] <b_> no
[08:50] <intelikey> no
[08:50] <b_> lol
[08:51] <wired> hmm
[08:51] <wired> Hey I need to get wine installed, and I seem to be having problems
[08:51] <intelikey> let me guess you are wired ?
[08:51] <wired> I've used adept to add in the repository, and it just cant seem to find it >_<
[08:51] <wired> Yea, I'm very wired.
[08:52] <farous_> was the router allright
[08:52] <wired> I'm new at this, what do I do with that
[08:53] <b_> well it helped sorta, it still stuck on that one sever that gave me problems earlier
[08:53] <intelikey> sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt     but i don't think you got it....   better look first.
[08:53] <intelikey> b_ which ?
[08:53] <wired> status receiving. may be blocked, I'm on a network and I dont have access to ports
[08:53] <farous_> b_: it might be a bad mirror
[08:54] <b_> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:54] <b_> strange
[08:54] <intelikey> wired i can post it.
[08:54] <wired> k
[08:54] <b_> even thouigh i have this problem with this one server im explained over and over
[08:54] <b_> i finally got the apt-get install nepenthes command to work
[08:54] <b_> of course with sudo in front
[08:54] <intelikey> farous i just did a full update on that sources.list
[08:54] <farous_> b_: can you post the error
[08:55] <b_> yeah if it would actually let me highlight the ip address
[08:56] <farous_> b_: can you post the error you read just copy and paste it
[08:56] <b_> yesss nepenthes finally installed but still not firefox
[08:56] <farous_> intelikey: might be a gpg warning
[08:56] <wired> hmm
[08:56] <wired> I'm trying to get this computer setup to play wow -_-;;
[08:56] <b_> farous.....
[08:57] <wolfmanz> is there a problem with the repositories? i'm trying to get some stuff from adept and it can seem to download anything..
[08:57] <b_> it lets me highlight the error but after like a tenth of a second the highlight will dissapear on me
[08:57] <b_> sorry
[08:57] <farous_> b_: ok
[08:58] <farous_> b_: try running apt-get update again and see if this fix it
[08:58] <farous_> sudo apt-get update
[08:58] <wired> I cant send private messages to you Intel
[08:58] <b_> ii am rightnow, after i installed nepenthes it gave an error say duplicated source.list entry please run yada yada yada
[08:58] <wired> but when I type that command up is it supposed to open a program called Kate?
[08:59] <intelikey> wired yes i know.
[08:59] <intelikey> yes it is.
[08:59] <wired> ok
[08:59] <wired> and when I copy/paste what you sent me, is it all supposed to be on seperate lines? Or leave it how it pastes in
[08:59] <intelikey> kate is a text editor for the kde system
[09:00] <b_> sudo apt-get update right
[09:00] <farous_> b_: so you just have a duplicated line in your sources.list file which not a big prob
[09:00] <intelikey> seperate lines.   the long breaks are new lines.   only four lines.
[09:00] <b_> eroor lol E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:00] <b_> its ok though i got what i wanted
[09:00] <intelikey> b_ that means that adept is running
[09:01] <farous_> b_: if you have adept open or update notifier you get this err
[09:01] <intelikey> or some package manager.   only one at a time.
[09:01] <b_> apperently is i have update noto in taskbar
[09:01] <b_> as i have***
[09:01] <wired> hmm still cant find it
[09:02] <intelikey> you did the update ?
[09:02] <wired> yea
[09:02] <intelikey> no errors ?
[09:02] <wired> sudo apt-get update
[09:02] <wired> none that I could see for the update
[09:02] <wired> heres the command I used - adpt-get install wine
[09:02] <intelikey> ok and then you did what ?
[09:02] <wired> right/wrong?
[09:02] <intelikey> apt-get
[09:02] <wired> yea
[09:03] <wired> I mistyped it here
[09:03] <wired> apt-get
[09:03] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install wine
[09:03] <wired> eading package lists... Done
[09:03] <wired> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:03] <intelikey> or use your adept now.  seeing you have the repos setup.
[09:03] <wired> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:04] <wired> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:04] <wired> is only available from another source
[09:04] <wired> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[09:04] <wired> root@Skullthrone:~# sudo apt-get install wine
[09:04] <intelikey> no it's there.
[09:04] <wired> Reading package lists... Done
[09:04] <wired> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:04] <wired> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:04] <wired> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:04] <wired> is only available from another source
[09:04] <wired> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[09:04] <wired> ack sorry
[09:04] <wired> not showing in adept either
[09:05] <intelikey> your sources.list did save in /etc/apt correct ?
[09:05] <intelikey> cat /etc/apt/sources.list  and see if it looks richt
[09:05] <aliasfred> hmmm from the help here, i could say that providing easier repository check/registration would be important
[09:05] <aliasfred> a lot of people spend time handling this sources.list
[09:06] <intelikey> aliasfred there is a mirror down atm.
[09:06] <aliasfred> ah ok, this clearly doesnt help
[09:06] <wired> hmm
[09:06] <aliasfred> but still, this repository stuff is not a new issue
[09:06] <intelikey> the us.mirror is down and we are bypassing it.
[09:06] <intelikey> and no its not.
[09:07] <farous_> now that is frustrating am trying to change to my reg nick but it say it is taken. by me as i was disconnected and reconnected again :(
[09:07] <aliasfred> this explain why wiki.kubuntu.org is down too :)
[09:07] <wired> ok
[09:07] <wired> hang on
[09:07] <b_> if i sudo apt-get install nepenthes where might i find it once installed
[09:07] <intelikey> /msg nickserv recover <nick> <passwd>
[09:08] <farous> thanx intelikey
[09:08] <intelikey> b_ /usr/bin/  most likely.
[09:08] <wired> I cant tell if it looks right or not
[09:08] <wired> head hurts >_<
[09:08] <intelikey> four lines without # at the front of them ?
[09:09] <farous> b_: type which nepenthes
[09:09] <wired> where should they be at
[09:09] <wired> cus I have a huge list which isnt very clear
[09:10] <farous> b_: it should have entry in the menus too
[09:10] <b_> no there is none in the menu
[09:10] <intelikey> wired you edited the file ....    i sujested you clear it first, i have no idea what you have.    it should be four lines.  but can have lots of   # commentes in it.
[09:11] <b_> it is located in sbin under usr just seems non executable
[09:11] <wired> ah ok
[09:11] <wired> sorry hang on let me repeat the instructions
[09:11] <wired> how do you clear the file?
[09:11] <farous> b_: what is this prog for
[09:11] <intelikey> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list    is the sure way.
[09:11] <b_> malware collection
[09:12] <intelikey> farous diging worms
[09:12] <farous> and you can use adept or type dpkg -L progname to see what files were installed or man progname
[09:12] <b_> botnets
[09:12] <b_> whatever you wanna call them
[09:12] <farous> ok
[09:13] <intelikey> well i'm on call.   and that was a call.   gtg
[09:13] <draik> Hello everyone
[09:14] <draik> I'm new to Linux... I'm using Kubuntu 6.06
[09:14] <farous> hi draik
[09:15] <draik> Is there a recommended book/URL/etc for learning at least the basics of Linux and Kubuntu 6.06?
[09:15] <draik> Hello farous
[09:15] <farous> draik: help.ubuntu.com
[09:15] <draik> thank you farous
[09:15] <farous> :)
[09:16] <draik> I had one issue a few days ago...
[09:17] <draik> I was playing with various Splash Screens from KDE-look.org
[09:17] <wired> gah still wont find it
[09:17] <draik> I was using a few of them to figure out which would work...
[09:17] <draik> The error I was getting was...
[09:18] <draik> "No background. Try to put a Background.jpg in the theme folder"
[09:18] <draik> Any clues???
[09:18] <confused> how do I get the g1+g2 networks to connect in shareaza with wine?
[09:21] <wired> hmm  ok I got those in as repositories
[09:21] <wired> still wont find it!
[09:21] <wired> >_<
[09:25] <wired> ok
[09:25] <wired> lemme start over
[09:26] <wired> I'm trying to download wine, and it doesnt seem to want to let me find it o.o
[09:26] <abattoir> wired: through adept?
[09:26] <wired> Abattoir: yea. I added on the repository from the winehq website and it refuses to look it up
[09:26] <wolfmanz> i think they are having issues with the repositories when using adept
[09:27] <wolfmanz> i have the same issues here
[09:27] <abattoir> last i heard ubuntu us reps were down.... but later it was said that the issue was resolved
[09:27] <abattoir> but he seems to have a winehq rep, not an ubuntu one
[09:28] <wired> yea
[09:28] <abattoir> wired: have you tried pinging the repo?
[09:28] <wolfmanz> i still cant download things from adept
[09:28] <abattoir> wolfmanz: us?
[09:28] <abattoir> wolfmanz: you can change from the us mirror to something else...
[09:28] <wolfmanz> i'm getting waitting for headers and nothing shows up
[09:29] <wired> havnt tried that yet
[09:30] <abattoir> wolfmanz: have you tried changing the mirror?
[09:30] <wolfmanz> no i was just gonna leave it it will be fixed by the time i wake up lol
[09:30] <wired> let me make sure the context is right
[09:30] <wired> ping http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt  ?
[09:30] <wired> or is it different
[09:31] <abattoir> yup
[09:31] <abattoir> i get unknown host
[09:31] <wired> so do I
[09:31] <wired> so theirs is down too? o.o
[09:31] <abattoir> so try a different mirror
[09:32] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:32] <cpk2> just delete us. from any entry in sources.list
[09:32] <wired> hang on
[09:32] <abattoir> wired: any other mirror is listed?
[09:32] <wired> they dont list ad iff mirror on their website
[09:32] <wired> but
[09:32] <wired> I found it on sourceforge
[09:32] <wired> gimme a sec
[09:33] <abattoir> wired: you want a later version than what comes w/ dapper?
[09:33] <wired> fudge
[09:34] <wired> apparently it doesnt like amd64 -_-
[09:34] <wired> which is the version I'm using
[09:34] <abattoir> wired: heh, wine is 32-bit windows apps.... :P
[09:34] <wired> yea -_-
[09:34] <abattoir> you can run it under a chroot though
[09:34] <wired> ?
[09:35] <wired> well I'm going to work on this later
[09:35] <wired> my head is about to splode
[09:35] <wired> from something else earlier today
[09:35] <wired> thanks for the help
[09:35] <abattoir> heh, ok
[09:36] <abattoir> wired: take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575&highlight=32+bit+chroot later
[10:03] <^^FLAViO^^> hi to all
[10:22] <Loki1989> has anyone tried using the easy ubuntu yet
[10:22] <ironfroggy> yes
[10:23] <londondave> whats easy ubuntu?
[10:24] <Jack12> hi
[10:24] <Loki1989> I am trying to get it up no but it stops at get 6 or seven and doesnt update everything because of a time out
[10:24] <Jack12> got someone a sony ericsson mobile and dapper to get synchronized?
[10:25] <Jack12> experience with that?
[10:25] <Jack12> eg the sony musicplayer mobile or the k800i
[10:26] <Loki1989> hmm
[10:26] <Loki1989> i have yet to figure out how to get amarok to play mp3's
[10:26] <admiral_proFTW> !restricted formats
[10:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:26] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, check that out
[10:27] <Loki1989> i am
[10:27] <Loki1989> my connections time out on easy update
[10:28] <Loki1989> ubuntu
[10:28] <Loki1989> easy ubuntu
[10:29] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, kubuntu-dapper?
[10:29] <Loki1989> yeah brand new
[10:30] <Loki1989> installed today
[10:30] <londondave> Loki1989: you need the codecs for mp3
[10:30] <admiral_proFTW> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[10:30] <Loki1989> yeah i have been trying for a while
[10:30] <admiral_proFTW> i think is the command
[10:30] <admiral_proFTW> time out?
[10:30] <admiral_proFTW> as in, at that step, do you time out
[10:30] <Loki1989> that command doesnt work
[10:31] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, also check this out
[10:31] <admiral_proFTW> !automatix
[10:31] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[10:31] <admiral_proFTW> automatix is great
[10:31] <cpk2> changing someones password in system settings > users and groups doesnt seem to work?
[10:31] <Loki1989> what is that ??
[10:31] <londondave> Loki1989: you need to set the repositories that have the package
[10:31] <admiral_proFTW> !repos
[10:31] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:32] <admiral_proFTW> check out the repositories part
[10:33] <admiral_proFTW> you'll want to add the universe and multiverse
[10:33] <admiral_proFTW> and that should give you about 18K packages
[10:34] <Loki1989> !repos
[10:34] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:34] <Loki1989> ??
[10:35] <Rede> i updated my kernel via adept, but when i boot using it it hangs when KDE usually loads and shows me the black kubuntu screen. i've just been manually choosing the older one to use my desktop but i was wondering if someone knows what I can do to fix it.
[10:38] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, in a konsole type "sudo gedit /etc/apt/souces.list
[10:39] <admiral_proFTW> !paste
[10:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:41] <admiral_proFTW> Loki1989, got that last part?
[10:42] <Loki1989> working on getting automatix
[10:42] <admiral_proFTW> ah okay
[10:42] <Loki1989> its installing
[10:43] <Loki1989> 99%
[10:43] <admiral_proFTW> after it installs, let me know
[10:43] <admiral_proFTW> don't run it yet
[10:43] <Loki1989> i will
[10:46] <Loki1989> this take a while
[10:47] <admiral_proFTW> yea it does
[10:54] <Loki1989> it's done
[10:54] <admiral_proFTW> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:54] <admiral_proFTW> in a konsole
[10:55] <Loki1989> k
[10:55] <Loki1989> what am I looking for
[10:55] <Loki1989> or doing
[10:55] <Loki1989>  i did that
[10:56] <Loki1989> admiral
[10:56] <Loki1989> ??
[10:57] <admiral_proFTW> okay
[10:57] <admiral_proFTW> replace that
[10:57] <Loki1989> and
[10:57] <Loki1989> ??
[10:57] <admiral_proFTW> with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18675
[10:57] <admiral_proFTW> that
[10:58] <Loki1989> ok was it supposed to create a word file
[10:59] <admiral_proFTW> its supposed to be saved as your sources.list
[10:59] <Loki1989> ok
[11:00] <Loki1989> well it opened in kate
[11:01] <stanks> hi
[11:01] <Loki1989> i am suppoed to copy wich part
[11:01] <stanks> i have a problem recording audio with xdtv
[11:01] <stanks> movie is ok but i don't have audio
[11:02] <stanks> any idea
[11:02] <stanks> i try every input, capture but no audio
[11:02] <thygrrr> Hi, what might have caused it that my sources.list was populated with australian servers by default?!
[11:03] <Loki1989> hey admiral i pasted it over now what
[11:05] <cpk2> !flashplayer
[11:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:05] <Database> !sata
[11:05] <ubotu> I know nothing about sata - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:05] <aegeanlinux> !santa
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[11:05] <aegeanlinux> !porn
[11:05] <ubotu> I know nothing about porn - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:05] <Database> Heh.
[11:05] <flaccid_> !linux
[11:05] <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[11:06] <flaccid_> !debian
[11:06] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded". To see more details on the relationship, see: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[11:06] <Database> OK, can I ask a (seemingly common) question, please?
[11:06] <flaccid_> cool
[11:06] <aegeanlinux> !the naked woman lying naked near the beach three meters away from my house who are just **such HOTTIES!**
[11:06] <ubotu> I know nothing about the naked woman lying naked near the beach three meters away from my house who are just **such HOTTIES!** - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:06] <aegeanlinux> !myself
[11:06] <ubotu> I know nothing about myself - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:07] <aegeanlinux> !you. Apart that your crazy!
[11:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about you. Apart that your crazy! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:07] <Loki1989> !anything
[11:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about anything - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:07] <Database> !the strange people that ask my questions. Now, listen to Database.
[11:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about the strange people that ask my questions. Now, listen to Database. - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:07] <aegeanlinux> !n00bs
[11:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about n00bs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:07] <aegeanlinux> !aztun
[11:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about aztun - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:08] <aegeanlinux> aztun: G'day, seems like you have a clean record :P (jokes)
[11:08] <kraut> moin
[11:08] <flaccid_> !flaccid
[11:08] <ubotu> I know nothing about flaccid - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:08] <thygrrr> What might have caused it that my sources.list was populated with australian servers by default?! I'm pretty sure I chose english/german as the default language and locale.
[11:09] <flaccid_> !how flaccid, flaccid can get...
[11:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about how flaccid, flaccid can get... - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:09] <thygrrr> argh
[11:09] <thygrrr> Ok, it's English (Australia). I stink.
[11:09] <aegeanlinux> !the robber that broke in last week. Don't search me. No not there!
[11:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about the robber that broke in last week. Don't search me. No not there! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:09] <Database> I have a 120gb SATA drive with WinDoze XP and Kubuntu Linux (Dapper). After manually jacking GRUB off my BOOT.INI (Kubuntu-install didn't install it.), I get a "Disk Read Error" and some floppy drive noise after attempting to boot. I've checked everything out and it sees the partition correctly.
[11:13] <Database> !cheese
[11:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about cheese - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:13] <Database> !grub
[11:13] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:15] <Fjodor> Hi. Does anyone have amd64 or source debs for kopete-0.12.1?
[11:15] <Database> Uhhhh...check the repositories?
[11:16] <Fjodor> Database: Highest is 0.11.something. Found 0.12.0 debs, but it has issues with ICQ which are fixed in 0.12.1
[11:16] <Database> Fair enough :)
[11:16] <Fjodor> Database: But thanks
[11:17] <Database> You're very welcome.
[11:17] <Database> I try to help.
[11:17] <Fjodor> Database: Nice of you
[11:17] <Database> Also, have you seen a Hobbsee anywhere?
[11:17] <Fjodor> No, sorry
[11:17] <Database> Damn.
[11:17] <Database> She's my friend from Oz, and she's a Kubuntu dev :P
[11:19] <flaccid__> really
[11:19] <flaccid__> thats sick
[11:19] <flaccid__> can i have her phone number
[11:20] <flaccid__> a chick in australia that can do IT, amazing
[11:20] <Jack12> i have too email adresses in kmail, one works the other keeps telling me that:
[11:20] <Jack12> Sending failed:
[11:20] <Jack12> The server did not accept the sender address
[11:20] <ralf> hi, if I'm trying to install packages with KPackage (klick on install), it just keeps me asking about the root pw
[11:20] <Jack12> he server responded: "5.7.0 {mp004} Sender address does not belong to logged in user"
[11:20] <Jack12> The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder.
[11:20] <Jack12> The following transport protocol was used:
[11:20] <flaccid__> Jack12: is the dest. address hotmail?
[11:21] <Jack12> then there is the other email address..so it uses for some reason the wrong to send it
[11:21] <Jack12> no <flaccid__>  gmx
[11:21] <flaccid__> ah it uses the wrong account to send?
[11:21] <Database> flaccid: No, you may not have her number,a s I don't know it and I think she's taken anyhow.
[11:22] <Jack12> i have too the first works fine, but it tries to use for the second the same transport protocol as for the first one and then it doesnt send
[11:22] <Jack12> flaccid__> i cannot understand why
[11:22] <Jack12> and how to set it up right flaccid__>
[11:26] <flaccid__> Database: yeah sorry br0, was a joke
[11:26] <Database> I know :)
[11:27] <flaccid__> i don't think i can help sorry Jack
[11:31] <Jack12> The server responded: "5.7.0 {mp017} Sender address does not belong to logged in user"
[11:31] <Jack12> The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder.
[11:31] <Jack12> The following transport protocol was used:
[11:31] <Jack12> can someone help
[11:43] <ravel> my Kubuntu 6.06 (upgraded from 5.10) is very unstable, should i reinstall everything?
[11:44] <rraphink> ravel: install 6.06
[11:44] <rraphink> :)
[11:45] <rraphink> so you use this opportunity to upgrade
[11:45] <rraphink> :)
[11:45] <pradeepto> hi all
[11:45] <rraphink> hi pradeepto
[11:45] <pradeepto> Can anybody please help me understand why dist-upgrading would downgrade the kernel?
[11:46] <pradeepto> hey rraphink :)
[11:46] <rraphink> downgrade the kernel?
[11:46] <pradeepto> yup, sec
[11:46] <pradeepto> rraphink: I am running 6.06 on this box.
[11:47] <rraphink> ok
[11:47] <pradeepto> yesterday I did a dist-upgrade.
[11:47] <pradeepto> rraphink: the kernel version is/was
[11:47] <pradeepto> pradeepto@shyamoli:~$ uname -r
[11:47] <pradeepto> 2.6.15-25-386
[11:47] <rraphink> mhm
[11:47] <pradeepto> rraphink: now after I did the upgrade
[11:47] <pradeepto> pradeepto@shyamoli:~$ apt-cache policy linux-image-386
[11:47] <pradeepto> linux-image-386:
[11:47] <pradeepto>   Installed: 2.6.15.24
[11:48] <pradeepto>   Candidate: 2.6.15.24
[11:48] <pradeepto>   Version table:
[11:48] <pradeepto>  *** 2.6.15.24 0
[11:48] <pradeepto>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
[11:48] <pradeepto>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:48] <pradeepto>      2.6.15.22 0
[11:48] <pradeepto>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[11:48] <pradeepto> sorry
[11:48] <rraphink> hmmm
[11:49] <rraphink> pradeepto: 2.6.15.24 is NEWER than 2.6.15-25 ;)
[11:49] <rraphink> unless you type wrong
[11:49] <pradeepto> rraphink: the logs and archives (in /var) tell me that .26 or somethine was downloaded
[11:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone
[11:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:49] <rraphink> hi MilhousePunkRock && slow-motion
[11:49] <slow-motion> hi rraphink
[11:49] <pradeepto> rraphink: how come?
[11:49] <raphink> pradeepto: "." != "-"
[11:49] <raphink> ;)
[11:49] <piotrek> hi, how can i play mp3 and divx movies under kubuntu?
[11:50] <pradeepto> !mp3
[11:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:50] <piotrek> i was searching in the google, and i have do a lot of things but i still have problems
[11:50] <pradeepto> piotrek: ^^^^
[11:50] <raphink> pradeepto: "." is used within a version definition (upstream, revision, etc.) whereas "-" is used to separate upstream version from debian revision
[11:50] <MilhousePunkRock> When I suspend my Laptop to RAM and wake it up again, the TrackPoint ( = mouse) does not work anymore
[11:50] <raphink> pradeepto: so that 2.6.15.24 is an upstream verison whereas 2.6.15-25 is the 25th debian revision of version 2.6.15
[11:51] <pradeepto> raphink: oh, so this was stupidest question ever :P
[11:51] <raphink> so unless you typed it wrong, 2.6.15.24 is newer than 2.6.15-25
[11:51] <ravel> rraphink, so you think that reinstalling 6.06 will fix problems? that's like Windows...
[11:51] <raphink> ravel: no I don't say that
[11:51] <raphink> ravel: but if you're considering reinstall, then install 6.06 instead of 5.10 :p
[11:51] <raphink> or just upgrade
[11:51] <pradeepto> raphink: nope I didnot type wrong, I copy pasted that from my console.
[11:52] <raphink> pradeepto: why then you h ave your answer
[11:52] <raphink> pradeepto: a way to know it is to use dpkg --compare-versions
[11:53] <pradeepto> hmmm thanks :)
[11:53] <raphink> dpkg --compare versions 2.6.15-25 lt 2.6.15.24 && echo "y" || echo "n"
[11:53] <raphink> will say "y" if -25 is under .24
[11:53] <raphink> and "n" otherwise
[11:53] <raphink> sorry
[11:53] <raphink> dpkg --compare-versions 2.6.15-25 lt 2.6.15.24 && echo "y" || echo "n"
[11:53] <raphink> there
[11:53] <raphink> ;)
[11:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Any Kubuntuusers on a laptop here with working power management?
[11:54] <pradeepto> raphink: yup got that :)
[11:54] <raphink> MilhousePunkRock: well many people use laptops, so it depends what laptop you have
[11:54] <pradeepto> raphink: I got a 'y' .
[11:54] <MilhousePunkRock> IBM ThinkPad T23
[11:54] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: I am on TP 42
[11:55] <MilhousePunkRock> Is the power management working for you?
[11:55] <pradeepto> raphink: yup
[11:55] <pradeepto> sorry
[11:55] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: yup its working for my.
[11:55] <pradeepto> me even
[11:55] <piotrek> pradeepto: "Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[11:56] <piotrek> pradeepto: i was trying to install mp3 support
[11:56] <pradeepto> piotrek: so install the other package. :)
[11:56] <pradeepto> raphink: ping
[11:56] <piotrek> what other?
[11:57] <raphink> pradeepto: wait
[11:57] <raphink> pradeepto: so you got your answer
[11:58] <pradeepto> raphink: yes, I re-read what you said. Thanks.
[11:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Suspending and waking up works, even the WLAN connects again, but the cursor is frozen
[11:58] <MilhousePunkRock> pradeepto ^^
[11:58] <pradeepto> ummm
[11:59] <Shannon1> hi everyone
[11:59] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: what do you do "suspend" to ram or to disk?
[12:00] <MilhousePunkRock> I've been told, it's a known X problem
[12:00] <MilhousePunkRock> To RAM, pradeepto
[12:00] <pradeepto> Shannon1: hi
[12:00] <Shannon1> can anyon ehelp me with an adept problem,, it doesnt want to update, always waiting for headers,, can an install get broken and how can I fix it ,,
[12:00] <MilhousePunkRock> To Disk seems to work, but than it shuts down and I wouldnt know how to revive it...
[12:00] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: ummm I wonder why? it works at my end almost perfectly.
[12:00] <ravel> raphink, of course I would install 6.06, I am not planning on downgrading anything
[12:00] <Shannon1> hi pradeepto
[12:01] <raphink> ravel: oh I say that because you said you had 5.10 ;)
[12:01] <MilhousePunkRock> I googled for that, everything I found for a T23 was "ACPI does not work"
[12:01] <pradeepto> oh!!!
[12:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Is there a command for X that reloads the modules, like "ifdown ath0 && ifup ath0" for the WLAN?
[12:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Becaus the machine itself it responsive after waking up, I can restart X with Ctrl-Backspace and the mouse it alive again
[12:03] <MilhousePunkRock> pradeepto: Which ACPI application do you use? KBattery? KPowersave?
[12:04] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: whatever comes with Settings module in Kubuntu :)
[12:04] <pradeepto> MilhousePunkRock: I don't experiment much at all with my boxes.
[12:04] <MilhousePunkRock> Maybe I need to roll back to that... I installed KPowersave but now there are no settings for Laptop & Battery anymore...
[12:05] <pradeepto> that's what I use on my box. Used it even on Breezy.
[12:06] <MilhousePunkRock> At first I was mistaking Standby and Suspend... I thought Standby was what I wanted, but in fact it's Suspend to RAM
[12:08] <ravel> raphink, no I didn't... I said I had upgraded from 5.10
[12:09] <ravel> generally, is reinstalling a good idea? I haven't consciously messed anything up, but the unstability of many programs is alarming
[12:11] <vassilis> I "accidentally" tried to upgrade to kde 3.5.3 through adept in kde and now apt-get is locked
[12:11] <vassilis> (and of course kde wasn't updated)
[12:11] <vassilis> can anyone help me?
[12:13] <thygrrr> please point me in the right direction how to format an external usb drive in kubuntu... there was a nice gui based way in ubuntu, I can't find the analog in kubuntu :(
[12:14] <thygrrr> !format drive
[12:14] <ubotu> I know nothing about format drive - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:14] <BigAl> Hi
[12:15] <BigAl> is anyone up for a challenge? :)
[12:15] <vassilis> at least tell me how to kill aptitude
[12:16] <vassilis> (or shouldn't I?)
[12:16] <Tm_T> BigAl: it depends what kind of challence
[12:16] <Tm_T> nge
[12:16] <BigAl> Ok, i'll give some detail on what's happened:
[12:17] <BigAl> I installed an NX server as per this guide: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204976&highlight=nxserver (see second thread)
[12:17] <Tm_T> and?
[12:18] <BigAl> Once the server was setup, I tried the client on the same machine
[12:18] <BigAl> and logged into a second session
[12:18] <aegeanlinux> brb all - taking network cable out ~ 10 mins
[12:18] <BigAl> everything was going fine until I made the client run at fullscreen by accident
[12:19] <BigAl> i was trying to minimise the client to close it, but i couldn't, so I tried to log off (the client)
[12:19] <BigAl> then my machine crashed
[12:19] <BigAl> I tried to reboot, but it froze during startup
[12:20] <Tm_T> BigAl: crash is always fun :)
[12:20] <ravel> ...because I don't want to reinstall for nothing
[12:20] <BigAl> ie on the boot screen when kubuntu initiates hardware etc
[12:20] <BigAl> haha
[12:20] <Tm_T> BigAl: ok, so, something got messed up in your system, what's last lines before freeze?
[12:20] <BigAl> anyhoo, kubuntu doesn't crash when it's starting, ti just stops booting
[12:21] <BigAl> last line is:
[12:21] <Tm_T> starting services?
[12:21] <BigAl> running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local) OK
[12:21] <Tm_T> hm
[12:21] <BigAl> then nothing
[12:21] <Tm_T> smells like nxserver freezes
[12:22] <BigAl> i restarted in safe mode or whatever it is called, ran 'startx' and logged on as root
[12:22] <Tm_T> noooooo
[12:22] <BigAl> uninstalled nxserver, client and node
[12:22] <Tm_T> never log in to X as root
[12:22] <BigAl> oh, sorry.....
[12:22] <BigAl> i just did it to unintsall
[12:22] <Tm_T> you can uninstall from cli
[12:22] <BigAl> apt-get......
[12:22] <BigAl> yeah
[12:22] <BigAl> i was panicing
[12:22] <Tm_T> yes, or aptitude or whatever you prefer
[12:22] <BigAl> :(
[12:23] <Tm_T> BigAl: no harm done I believe
[12:23] <Tm_T> but it's bad habit ;)
[12:23] <Lynoure> hi ravel
[12:23] <BigAl> anyway, after having removed the apps i tried to log on again as usual
[12:23] <BigAl> i don't normally run as root lol
[12:24] <Tm_T> good :)
[12:24] <BigAl> anyway, it didn't make a difference
[12:24] <Lynoure> ravel: What do you mean by unstable? It actually crashes? Have you examined the logs? Found any patterns to it?
[12:24] <Tm_T> agh
[12:24] <BigAl> it still stops on boot
[12:24] <carlosmiras> hello people, i need some help
[12:24] <carlosmiras> can anyone help me?
[12:24] <BigAl> and i'm kinda out of ideas...... i assume that nxsrver has screwed up some startup script or something
[12:24] <Tm_T> BigAl: hmh, there's some logs I believe, though not sure if those get overwritten in reboot
[12:25] <Tm_T> BigAl: I'm guessing exactly the same
[12:25] <BigAl> ;)
[12:25] <Gioacchino> !kernel
[12:25] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:25] <BigAl> i have ideas, but i'm a n00b and don't know how to implement them :)
[12:25] <carlosmiras> i have kubuntu in my system and i am very new on it... i need to write in arabic but i cannot set it up
[12:26] <ravel> lynoure, actually, the system itself is (very) stable but I am annoyed by KDE/kubuntu components crashing quite often - knotify, konqueror, kicker and so on, I can't see any pattern
[12:26] <thygrrr> !kde
[12:26] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[12:27] <BigAl> so... if i managed to get some log files from start up, do you think that would point us in the right direction?
[12:27] <Lynoure> ravel: try backing up your .kde , removing the old one and seeing if that helps.
[12:28] <Tm_T> BigAl: maybe, atleast it might tell exactly the last thing it does right
[12:28] <MilhousePunkRock> !ACPI
[12:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about ACPI - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:28] <BigAl> cool
[12:28] <BigAl> if we then knew the sequence we could work out what was hanging up
[12:29] <ravel> lynoure, practically renaming it? :-)
[12:30] <Lynoure> ravel: yes :)
[12:30] <ravel> I  can try... I also had difficulty with fglrx but I noticed some instructions at wiki
[12:33] <BigAl> Tim_T - I'm on my XP installation atm..... I'm gonna log into kubuntu and look for the dmesg log file
[12:33] <BigAl> I think that this is the right one
[12:34] <Tm_T> tim?
[12:34] <BigAl> lol
[12:34] <BigAl> whoopsie
[12:35] <BigAl> Tn_T :)
[12:35] <BigAl> damn
[12:35] <BigAl> Tm_T :)
[12:35] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:35] <BigAl> can't type today
[12:35] <BigAl> *stressed*
[12:35] <Tm_T> BigAl: tabfilling <3
[12:35] <BigAl> in win?
[12:35] <BigAl> heh
[12:35] <Tm_T> why not
[12:35] <BigAl> hmmm
[12:35] <Tm_T> it depends what app you use
[12:36] <BigAl> xchat atm
[12:36] <Tm_T> I run same client in windows and linux
[12:36] <Tm_T> actually everywhere
[12:36] <thygrrr> Xchat has it :)
[12:36] <BigAl> what do you think about my log file suggestion?
[12:36] <Tm_T> BigAl: maybe
[12:37] <Lynoure> ravel: cannot help you that much with that one. I use the open source ati drivers myself...
[12:37] <BigAl> are there any others you think i should get when i boot to kubuntu?
[12:39] <Tm_T> BigAl: /var/log/ has some logs
[12:40] <BigAl> ok then... i'll copy everything from there over to fat and come back here?
[12:40] <Tm_T> copy everything that looks interesting
[12:41] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm off ->
[12:41] <BigAl> thanks for your help
[12:41] <BigAl> cya
[12:48] <danzel> I'm on kubuntu dapper, kde 3.5.2. I've installed kdeaddons and such. When I right click on a zip file I get the option "Extract -> Extract Here...", but when I right click on a rar file I do not get these options.
[12:48] <danzel> Any ideas how to get an Extract option when I right click a rar file?
[12:49] <dodger> do you have unrar-free installed?
[12:50] <danzel> yep
[12:50] <danzel> If I open rar archives in ark I can extract them fine
[12:50] <dodger> ok well there goes my wild guess ;)
[12:50] <dodger> sorry - don't know then :/
[12:50] <danzel> But I don't get a straight Extract option when I right click em ;)
[12:50] <dodger> hmm
[12:50] <danzel> thanks anyway :)
[12:50] <ravel> lynoure, the problem is that kde & especially all videos are _very_ slow with ati drivers
[12:51] <SoLo18> hi..
[12:51] <danzel> I get a "Open with ark" option, but no "Extract"
[12:51] <dodger> hi SoLo18
[12:51] <SoLo18> who would be nice to help me  with something plsss?
[12:51] <zsuzsi> hi
[12:51] <dodger> anyone who can, i imagine ;)
[12:52] <SoLo18> :)
[12:52] <zsuzsi> my wlanassistant crashed, it says its a bug - where can i talk about it?
[12:53] <dodger> zsuzsi: no idea - it's worked fine for me so far
[12:53] <SoLo18> ....i installed ircu2.10.12.07 and when i  installed automaticly has started...i didn`t have the time to configure...
[12:54] <SoLo18> i configured while was running
[12:54] <SoLo18> but the changes did not take effect
[12:54] <zsuzsi> well, i disconnected from a wireless network using it and it just crashed. i got this bug popup with a lot of "backtrace" messages.
[12:55] <SoLo18> i didn`t know how to restart it so...
[12:55] <SoLo18> i rastarted my pc
[12:55] <dodger> sorry - don't know....  i'm pretty new to kubuntu myself
[12:55] <SoLo18> but now i don`t know to start ircu
[12:56] <dodger> have you tried just starting it from the shell?
[12:56] <zsuzsi> solo, there must be some "ircu start" command, i think... but thats just a guess
[12:56] <SoLo18> i don`t know the command
[12:56] <SoLo18> that`s the problem
[12:57] <dodger> SoLo18: try opening konsole and then
[12:57] <dodger> sudo updatedb
[12:57] <dodger> and then
[12:57] <dodger> locate ircu
[12:57] <dodger> it'll show you where it can find files with that name
[12:58] <dodger> updatedb can take a minute, so don't freak out ;)
[12:58] <rraphink> find, whereis and which are also options
[12:58] <SoLo18> how cvan i locate ircu?
[12:58] <rraphink> whereis and which can be used to find the path to executables in the path
[12:59] <rraphink> and find can be used to search aswell, giving special search criterias
[12:59] <rraphink> for a daemon e.g. can be usefel to run a `find /etc -name ircu`
[01:00] <rraphink> as it's likely to be in /etc/init.d
[01:00] <rraphink> SoLo18: otherwise you can do as dodger said
[01:00] <rraphink> or even easier
[01:00] <rraphink> sudo updatedb
[01:00] <rraphink> that will update the db of files
[01:00] <rraphink> then open konqueror and type "ircu" in the address bar
[01:01] <rraphink> and enjoy :)
[01:01] <Tm_T> mooh
[01:01] <Tm_T> rraphink: hey you!
[01:02] <rraphink> Tm_T: hey you too:p
[01:02] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:02] <rraphink> hehe
[01:02] <BigAl> hi
[01:02] <rraphink> how are you?
[01:02] <rraphink> hi BigAl
[01:02] <Tm_T> rraphink: in vacation ;)
[01:02] <rraphink> hehe
[01:02] <Tm_T> rraphink: you are using edgy?
[01:02] <rraphink> Tm_T: where?
[01:03] <Lynoure> ravel: hmm, never noticed that. But I was born lucky
[01:03] <rraphink> Tm_T: not right now
[01:03] <Tm_T> rraphink: home
[01:03] <rraphink> except on my server
[01:03] <Tm_T> raphink: xorg transition gone or incoming?
[01:03] <raphink> no idea
[01:03] <raphink> I'm not on xorg stuff lately
[01:03] <raphink> or at all ;)
[01:03] <SoLo18> i am interesd to find the ircd executable file only
[01:03] <Tm_T> hmm, ok
[01:03] <raphink> SoLo18: try which or whereis
[01:04] <Tm_T> I'm between upgrading to edgy and building kdelibs etc in windows
[01:04] <Tm_T> but what should I choose :p
[01:04] <aegeanlinux> back
[01:04] <raphink> you should choose to removee windows
[01:04] <SoLo18> what knind of  files are exec in knubuntu (wath extension)
[01:04] <raphink> and not get too much open source stuff to windows
[01:04] <raphink> this is killing open-source :(-
[01:04] <Tm_T> nah
[01:04] <raphink> when people spend more time developping firefox for windows than linux
[01:04] <Tm_T> I will try to get KOffice run in windows
[01:05] <raphink> SoLo18: no extension in particular
[01:05] <dodger> SoLo18: there's not necessarily an extension for executables
[01:05] <raphink> just +x rights
[01:05] <Tm_T> raphink: I'm not developing, just fooling around ;-P
[01:05] <raphink> like 777 or 755 for example
[01:05] <danzel> bah, dodger - you were exactly right, lmao
[01:05] <danzel> I had 'rar' installed, but not 'unrar' or 'unrar-free'
[01:05] <danzel> I installed unrar and now it goes :) thanks
[01:05] <danzel> lmao
[01:05] <dodger> ah... cool :) yw
[01:05] <raphink> SoLo18: find should be able to find executable files
[01:06] <ravel> lynoure, the default ati driver doesn't seem to be able to use DGA or whatever the tech is called
[01:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Does someone know a way to re-activate the mouse in X after Suspend to RAM?
[01:06] <couquinoux> bonjour bonjour
[01:07] <raphink> SoLo18: another option is to check the files installed by the package with dpkg -L
[01:07] <MilhousePunkRock> Like reloading the drivers or something?
[01:07] <raphink> couquinoux: ce n'est pas un chan francophone ici
[01:07] <raphink> couquinoux: va sur #kubuntu-fr pour parler en fr
[01:07] <raphink> stp
[01:09] <BigAl> Tm_T?
[01:09] <BigAl> you still here?
[01:09] <Tm_T> slightly yes
[01:09] <BigAl> i think i found somerthing in the logs
[01:09] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:15:52 desktop kdm[5102] : X server "/usr/bin/Xorg-air" cannot be executed
[01:09] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:15:52 desktop kdm[5083] : X server for display :0 can't be started, session disabled
[01:09] <Tm_T> xorg-air ?
[01:09] <BigAl> everything looks ok until then in the sys logs
[01:10] <BigAl> no idea what that is tbh
[01:10] <Tm_T> BigAl: ok, and does it continue after that?
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:31 desktop shutdown[5175] : shutting down for system reboot
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:31 desktop init: Switching to runlevel: 6
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:35 desktop kernel: [4294753.938000]  apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac)
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:35 desktop kernel: [4294753.938000]  apm: disabled on user request.
[01:10] <BigAl> Jul 22 18:16:35 desktop mysqld[4446] : 060722 18:16:35 [Note]  /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown
[01:10] <BigAl> .....
[01:10] <BigAl> it's shutting down
[01:10] <BigAl> i hit control-alt-del after it froze
[01:10] <BigAl> and the system rebooted
[01:11] <MilhousePunkRock> BigAl: Use the pastebin rather than flooding the channel like that
[01:11] <BigAl> sorry
[01:11] <Lynoure> ravel: What uses that tech? / What does it do? I tried googling, but just got instructions to disable it
[01:12] <Tm_T> BigAl: hey, when it "freeze", have you tried alt+f2 for example?
[01:12] <BigAl> i didn't, no.... what does that do?
[01:13] <BigAl> (n00b here....)
[01:13] <Tm_T> that moves you to tty number 2
[01:13] <BigAl> you think that might help
[01:14] <Tm_T> BigAl: terminal in short
[01:14] <BigAl> ah
[01:14] <Tm_T> BigAl: 1-6 are free to use, 7 is X and 8 is boot/shutdown splash(?)
[01:14] <BigAl> ok
[01:15] <BigAl> i'll give that a go then, and try a start x
[01:15] <mendred> hi all..can someone tell me where i can download kaffeine 0.8.1 packages
[01:15] <mendred> hey tm_T
[01:15] <Tm_T> hi
[01:16] <BigAl> bbiab....
[01:16] <Tm_T> kaffeine? hmm, I use kmplayer ;)
[01:16] <BigAl> thanks again
[01:16] <Tm_T> BigAl: np
[01:16] <ravel> lynoure, at least with fglrx drivers videos play OK, without it they do not
[01:16] <ravel> they skip frames all the time
[01:17] <Lynoure> ravel: are you generalising or talking about your own system?
[01:18] <Lynoure> ravel: Because, like I said, haven't had problems but it can have a lot to do about which exact display card one has. X600 here.
[01:18] <dodger> speaking of kmplayer
[01:19] <dodger> is there a repository with mplayer for dapper?
[01:19] <dodger> i haven't been able to find it... and yes, i could build from source... but i thought i'd ask ;)
[01:19] <Tm_T> dodger: hmm
[01:19] <Tm_T> !mplayer
[01:19] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[01:19] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> dodger: The ffmpeg that dapper provides is pretty crippled
[01:20] <danzel> dodger: yeah, grab easy ubuntu and let that install it for you
[01:21] <danzel> the repos is: deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
[01:21] <danzel> has a better ffmpeg etc etc too
[01:21] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: o/ o/
[01:21] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T
[01:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Does someone know a way to re-activate the mouse in X after Suspend to RAM?
[01:22] <dodger> ah.... thanks :)
[01:22] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: how are you?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i'm okay, how much do you know about SATA drives?
[01:23] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I never owned one, that I know :p
[01:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:24] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: one for exchange, any idea hows xorg transition in edgy?
[01:24] <UKF^vortex> !codecs
[01:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:24] <MilhousePunkRock> An IRC related question: How can I determine if there are channels, specific for ACPI or Xorg?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: mesa is borked, everything else is working okay for me
[01:25] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hum, so it's already happened or incoming?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: we got debian's Xorg, all that got transitioned, and i think we might get 7.1
[01:25] <Tm_T> ok
[01:25] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I upgrade after this week
[01:28] <ravel> lynoure, I have been said that it is because of those... funny that it doesn't work by default
[01:29] <Fjodor> Hi. Does anyone have amd64 or source debs for kopete-0.12.1? Highest I could find is 0.12.0, and it has trouble with ICQ
[01:29] <Lynoure> ravel: I guess it's hard to make things so that they work automatically by default for all.
[01:29] <Tm_T> Fjodor: hmm, no idea, but you can compile from tarball, no?
[01:30] <MilhousePunkRock> The trouble with ICQ might be caused _by_ ICQ, Fjodor... Heard that Miranda users have issues lately too
[01:30] <Fjodor> MilhousePunkRock: Yes, they switched to a new protocol version. Support for it is in 0.12.1
[01:30] <Tm_T> yes
[01:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Ah, ok...
[01:30] <Tm_T> root__: you should NOT irc as root
[01:30] <Fjodor> Tm_T: I could, but then I would need to do a checkinstall
[01:30] <Tm_T> Fjodor: nah
[01:31] <Fjodor> Tm_T: I would prefer a debianized source package at least
[01:31] <Tm_T> sure, but I don't know any
[01:31] <Tm_T> Fjodor: maybe in edgy repos
[01:31] <Fjodor> Tm_T: Fair enough. Thanks for the suggestion at any rate. Edgy is pretty far behind on kopete
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Fjodor: how far is it behind?
[01:32] <Tm_T> s/avery/every/
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Fjodor: 0.12.1 is going in.
[01:32] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I thought it's in already
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Fjodor: sure, source is on revu.tauware.de
[01:32] <Fjodor> Hobbsee: Cool. Thanks
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it's not, we're waiting on mdz to approve the UVF exception
[01:33] <Tm_T> aah yes!
[01:33] <Tm_T> I'm just old blind dumb monkey
[01:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: 0.12.0-0ubuntu2 is in repos, atm, i believe - which has the desktop fix, and the icq too old fix.
[01:35] <Fjodor> Gotta go again. Thanks all
[01:35] <Tm_T> BigAl: luck?
[01:36] <BigAl> nah.... the alt+F2 didn't do anything
[01:36] <Tm_T> ok, then it's stuck
[01:36] <Fjodor> Especially Hobbsee :-)
[01:36] <BigAl> i check the latest log file after the alt-F2 attempt and it was the same as the last time
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Fjodor: :)
[01:37] <Tm_T> BigAl: nah, xorg/kdm should not cause greeze, there's something else
[01:37] <BigAl> x-server "/usr/bin/Xorg-air" cannot be executed
[01:37] <Tm_T> freeze even
[01:37] <ccpasteur> hi everybody
[01:37] <BigAl> heh
[01:37] <BigAl> hi
[01:37] <Tm_T> agh, too much typos, building kdelibs to windows ->
[01:37] <BigAl> heh
[01:37] <ccpasteur> i'm currently a debian sid user and I'd like to know the pro/cons to use kubuntu instead of sid
[01:38] <h3sp4wn> ccpasteur: dapper is alot slower and the system feels alot less responsive
[01:38] <BigAl> i was really hoping that the log files would give me a clue, but it seems they only point to the problem
[01:38] <BigAl> not the route cause
[01:38] <BigAl> :-/
[01:39] <ccpasteur> h3sp4wn: so you think I should keep  using debian unstable?
[01:39] <danzel> dapper is slower than sid? I wouldn't think there would be much of a notable difference
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> ccpasteur: Depends what you want - If you want current programs you may end up just having to backport from it all the time anyway
[01:40] <ccpasteur> h3sp4wn: ok thx for your help
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> danzel: I think all the backporting of drivers without the performance improvements makes dapper run dog slow (imo) - edgy for the time being at least is running pretty quickly for me
[01:42] <danzel> h3sp4wn: ah k, true
[01:43] <Lynoure> ccpasteur: I have been having kubuntu on my laptop after having sid on my desktop for quite a while and I'm still undecided
[01:44] <ccpasteur> Lynoure: ok, thx for giving your opinion
[01:45] <Lynoure> ccpasteur: kubuntu is easier to install and works more likely straight out of the box, has lots of gui things for administration, and those seem to work. Less software to select from and installs a lot of things you might or might not need
[01:45] <Lynoure> ccpasteur: I'm a command line person, it seems, so the gui things are not that important to me.
[01:47] <ccpasteur> and it's nice to see that the people on #kubuntu channel are unbiased
[01:48] <markc_> anyone any idea where desktop icon postions are stored ?
[01:49] <BigAl> /home/USERNAME/desktop
[01:49] <BigAl> i think....
[01:50] <BigAl> oh... the positions?
[01:50] <BigAl> hmm
[01:51] <markc_> the folder icon is stored in folder/.directory but I'm not sure where the desktop position is stored
[01:52] <markc_> heh, ~/.kde/share/apps/kdesktop/IconPositions
[01:54] <BigAl> can't believe i'm considering a reinstall....
[01:55] <Lynoure> ccpasteur: I don't know how edgy is now. Trying that might be interesting for you.
[01:56] <markc_> Lynoure: I did a debootstrap edgy last night and could not be happier... I think it's more stable than upgrading from dapper
[01:56] <Lynoure> markc_: :)
[01:57] <markc_> Lynoure: I jumped ship to gentoo then archlinux looking for something more current.. I just happen to try a debootstrap from within gentoo just for the hell of it... and it went really smoothly
[01:57] <qwerty2k> hey, kubuntu has stopped auto mounting my usb devices, anyone tell me how i can get it to auto mount them again??
[02:02] <charlie5> hi ... my system froze the yesterday, so that the only way to restart was to hit the hard reset button ... is that likely a bad RAM problem ?
[02:02] <markc_> hmm, maybe I am trying to reinvent some wheel... is there any tool that will take some kind of snapshot of a users KDE settings, stored them somehow, and allow for a reinstall later, or to clone those settings on another install ?
[02:03] <charlie5> markc_: i'm no expert, but maybe copying .kde dir in ~ dir might work ? (or maybe not)
[02:05] <qwerty2k> hey, kubuntu has stopped auto mounting my usb devices, anyone tell me how i can get it to auto mount them again??
[02:05] <markc_> charlie5: yeah, that is one possibiltiy, I've got a script that does that and ftps a tarball up onto a server, then retrives it later if needed... it can get quite large and it gets fairly complex to know what to strip our... lately I've been thinking more of a bash script that recreates the settings... perhaps
[02:07] <markc_> I've got it down to about 15 minutes to cusomize a fresh KDE install... I keep repeating the same procedure, so automating it seems really obvious... and better still, if I could generalize the procedure then maybe others could do it too... assuming no such tool currently exists
[02:08] <zeus> re. kubuntu.org online? i cant connect to server =\
[02:09] <markc_> doh, of course, mv .kde .kde_ok, do a fresh install and diff -u the two dirs
[02:09] <dodger> zeus: ubuntuforums.org seems down too
[02:09] <MukiEX> Are there other kubuntu archive mirrors?
[02:09] <MukiEX> !ubuntu archive
[02:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about ubuntu archive - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:09] <MukiEX> !apt mirror
[02:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about apt mirror - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:09] <MukiEX> !apt
[02:09] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[02:10] <zsuzsi> hey guys i have identified with a problem on my gnome install! it's this thing:  http://www.ubuntux.org/dapper-gnome-error
[02:10] <zsuzsi> but i dont understand what is meant by "Flushed the settings cache"
[02:10] <DoctorMO> does anyone know about how to fix alsa sound for sound input from usb devices?
[02:11] <zsuzsi> can someone help me?
[02:11] <charlie5> markc_: sounds like you jave a decent handle on the prob ... godd luck :)
[02:11] <charlie5> <good luck>
[02:12] <zsuzsi> hmm i'm called away from the comp for now... i'll be back later...
[02:13] <MukiEX> foobar, where are the ubuntu mirrors?
[02:16] <markc_> wow, a fresh .kde is 500k and my customized version is 2.6mb, after 24 hours (might have some stored mail, bookmarks etc)
[02:17] <MukiEX> apt doesn't work... =(
[02:17] <MukiEX> Ack, wrong channel.
[02:17] <DoctorMO> MukiEX:  :-(
[02:18] <markc_> au.archive.ubuntu.com works, if you are desperate
[02:23] <markc_> hmm, would it be too crazy to keep an online copy of a users ~/.kde folder in subversion ?
[02:25] <markc_> hmm2, not so crazy, a svn commit would only upload the difference which is the main thing I'm after... some kind of incremental upload system
[02:36] <bruno_> pekny den, konecne sa moyem aj ja pochvalit, MAM kubuntu v pc a ide aj net
[02:36] <bruno_> ale mam problem s grafanou :-((((
[02:47] <aegeanlinux> Firefox 1.5.0.5 is out!
[02:50] <alexmax75> hi
[02:50] <narasimhan> a
[02:50] <narasimhan> hi
[02:51] <alexmax75> i need help
[02:51] <alexmax75> i want to change debian installer
[02:51] <nancy1> hi again everyone
[02:51] <alexmax75> i mean
[02:52] <nancy1> is there a limit to using Adept in one session,,
[02:52] <coachJ> are the US repos up now?
[02:52] <z00m> quick question does the kubuntu amd64bit version have the NX overflow protection in the kernel ?
[02:52] <alexmax75> at some point it controls if cd debian is inserted
[02:52] <nancy1> ahh I see that some repos are down,,
[02:52] <coachJ> were yesterday
[02:52] <alexmax75> or the language setted by default
[02:52] <narasimhan> nancy1: me too...
[02:53] <narasimhan> nancy1: are the repos not connecting
[02:53] <coachJ> someone said storms in mid-west??
[02:53] <BluesKaj> aegeanlinux, FF for linux ?....don't see it for Linux on the site  http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
[02:53] <aegeanlinux> Well, trust me, its out ;)
[02:53] <z00m> my adept manager is stalling at 40% when updating
[02:53] <narasimhan> alexmax75: i dont get u..are u not able to control it..!
[02:53] <nancy1> so its not me ,, earlier I change all my ca.archive.ubuntu to archive.ubuntu,, but now neither work,, they're al ltimed out
[02:54] <aegeanlinux> http://developer.mozilla.org/
[02:54] <narasimhan> nancy1: yes
[02:54] <alexmax75> no???
[02:54] <nancy1> so i guess that well have to wait for update  hein?
[02:54] <narasimhan> alexmax75: ohh
[02:54] <coachJ> anyone treied OPera yet, if so did you like?
[02:55] <z00m> coachj: i did on windows but it was relly memmory happy, anti spayware and everything built into it. not tryed it on linux
[02:55] <aegeanlinux> BluesKaj: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.5.0.5
[02:55] <z00m> spyware*
[02:56] <coachJ> kenw what you meant.
[02:56] <alexmax75> how can i create one on my own?
[02:56] <coachJ> see
[02:56] <z00m> think firefox is the best one to go with
[02:56] <narasimhan> alexmax75:   i got Ubuntu 6.06 from friend ..the desktop version is slow but are u using alternate or desktop
[02:57] <alexmax75> i don't understand what you mean..
[02:57] <z00m> does anyone know if NX overflow protection is built into the 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic kernel
[02:58] <narasimhan> alexmax75: are u installing from the live cd desktop or the text mode install?
[02:59] <z00m> another questions is how do i close down my send mail on port 25 ?
[02:59] <z00m> i dont use this service so how do i stop it
[03:00] <alexmax75> i installed from live cd but what i want to do is create a m own distribution and make a my installer like kubuntu but with different things
[03:00] <alexmax75> for example change kubunto to myname
[03:00] <alexmax75> etc
[03:01] <alexmax75> do you know what i mean?
[03:01] <narasimhan> z00m: open konsole..sudo kcontrol..there will system services
[03:02] <narasimhan> alexmax75: sorry man...i dunno
[03:03] <narasimhan> but i what i know is that there is something called slax that will help u create ur own live cd..so u can get some leads from there
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Fjodor: :)
[03:15] <forkz> Somebody knows how i make my computer put out two sound signals... I can only have one signal put out at the time: either my msuic, or my browser/other program :s
[03:15] <Tm_T> !dmix
[03:15] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:16] <Tm_T> that's hard way but should work
[03:16] <forkz> thx... will try that :)
[03:17] <bruno_> hello
[03:17] <forkz> there's no button named preferencens in system... which system do it want me to look at :S
[03:17] <ninHer> hi all
[03:20] <ninHer> hola a tod@s desde bilbao
[03:21] <forkz> Which system button/menu is it that the bot wants me to look in/at?
[03:21] <shiv> when are ubuntuforums going to be up again?
[03:26] <forkz> !system
[03:26] <ubotu> I know nothing about system - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:26] <forkz> !alsa
[03:26] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:27] <z00m> need help here
[03:27] <z00m> how do i stop the Exim smtpd 4.60 service
[03:27] <z00m> 220 64BitBox ESMTP Exim 4.60 Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:24:10 +0100
[03:30] <forkz> Ok... Somebody who can help me find system -> preferences -> Multimedia system and change it to alsa?
[03:30] <ace__> forkz: run kcontrol
[03:31] <ace__> forkz: wait a sec, thats related to gnome, not kde
[03:31] <forkz> Aye?
[03:31] <ace__> forkz: what are you trying to do?
[03:32] <forkz> Change dmix to use alsa, i think... I can only have on sound output: Cant game while playing music and get the game sounds :s
[03:32] <ninHer> forkz: kde gnome ?
[03:32] <sofia> hum
[03:32] <forkz> Using KDE
[03:33] <forkz> Using Kubuntu, or else this wouldnt be rigth placec ?
[03:33] <ace__> forkz: dmix is a alsa plugin
[03:33] <h3sp4wn> forkz: I thought dmix was part of alsa
[03:33] <forkz> I dont know what i am doing but i got told to do this
[03:33] <forkz> !alsa
[03:33] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:33] <Lynoure> z00m: how permanently you want to stop it? Uninstall it to stop it for good
[03:33] <bgrimm> is it just my little corner of the internet but are the us.archices AND the uk archive repositories now down? I can't get headers from either one.
[03:33] <cga> hi all =)
[03:34] <Lynoure> bgrimm: not just you.
[03:35] <ace__> is it just me or is !alsa giving gnome related info instead of kde related info
[03:35] <forkz> ace and h3sp4wn: I'm just trying to do what the bot told me, but... I cant find out what system i should look under to find preferences
[03:35] <forkz> Thats pretty ignoring :/
[03:36] <forkz> ace__: I've tried !dmix as wall, and it tells the same stuff
[03:36] <forkz> well*
[03:37] <ace__> forkz: run kcontrol, then go into sound and multimeida, then sound system, set auto suspend if idle after to 0, in the hardware pick alsa from the list
[03:37] <bobbyd> hi
[03:37] <bobbyd> can anyone tell me where to find uk sources for ubuntu packages?
[03:38] <ace__> the !dmix and !alsa commands are giving the info as if your using gnome, thats why you can't find system
[03:38] <bobbyd> archive.ubuntu.com isn't working for me
[03:38] <pcfan> bobbyd: do /topic
[03:38] <forkz> ace__: ALSA= Adavanced Linux bla bal?
[03:38] <ace__> forkz: yes
[03:38] <forkz> Good... Then i did it right :p
[03:38] <cga> !help
[03:38] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[03:39] <forkz> thx
[03:39] <ace__> bobbyd:  you can get a new sources list from here: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:39] <bobbyd> thanks :)
[03:39] <mendred> hi are the ubuntu repos down? am not  able to access any of the <xx>.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:39] <mike_> bobbyd: i am having the same problem.  in fact i cannot hit their website either
[03:40] <Hobbsee> mendred: yes, they are
[03:40] <mendred> hey Hobbsee
[03:40] <Hobbsee> bobbyd: mike_ ditto
[03:40] <mike_> doing a nslookup shows that my upstream dns has their IPs but tcpdump only shows traffic going out to the servers and nothing coming back
[03:40] <Hobbsee> mike_: they know, they're working on it
[03:40] <mendred> Hobbsee any idea where i can find kaffeine 0.8 packages for kubuntu?
[03:41] <mike_> hobbsee: thanks.  is there another website out there that is documenting this so i dont clutter this channel?
[03:41] <ace__> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/ seems to be online
[03:41] <forkz> ace__: I still cant do it :s
[03:41] <Hobbsee> mendred: er...hmmm...they were talking about backporting that. compile it, or build the edgy sources on dapper, if you really want it
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> times like this I'm glad I keep a local mirror :)
[03:42] <Lynoure> Is there some information about why all those things are down? It's getting to be the point where rumours start to build up if some info cannot be found.
[03:42] <ace__> forkz: what are you trying to do?
[03:43] <forkz> trying to play sound from amaroK while i have other sound runnig... it doesn't work
[03:43] <BluesKaj> was gonna try to set up samba on my home network , but sure looks like it's over my head :)
[03:43] <mendred> Hobbsee: Actually the ubuntuguide.org had a repo link which had kaffeine 0.8..it worked fine..but then yesterday i accidentally trashed my kubuntu and now i cant find that repo link anymore :(
[03:43] <Hobbsee> mendred: check google cache for such things, i suspect
[03:43] <LeeJunFan> it is odd that the machines are up but don't respond. Act's like an apache issue, but on multiple mirrors?
[03:43] <ace__> forkz: there are some tutorials in the forums that explain how to set up software mixing but the forums are down at the mo
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: um, possibly.  did you wnat that dapper kbarcode, btw?
[03:44] <forkz> ace__: THe problem is that i have to use Teamspeak2 og Ventrilo while playing... and i cant :/ Have to wait... Anyone knows why its down? and when its running again?
[03:45] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I actually made do with openoffice's label editor, which seems to have improved a lot since I needed it last, and it was pretty much one time need only (printed a pile of "you were photographed" cards)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: nice :)
[03:45] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: But I can try it out, it it is helpful. I get helpfulness urges on downtime times like this...
[03:46] <Hobbsee> forkz: ah yeah - go into system settings, sound, and uncheck "enable the kde sound system"  hit apply, then restart teamspeak
[03:46] <forkz> Hobbsee: Why uncheck that?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: it's gone from my harddrive - i requested the backport though (the lazy way :P)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> forkz: because you cant use both teamspeak and kde sound system at the same time
[03:47] <Hobbsee> there is a hack around it, but i've forgotten what it is
[03:48] <forkz> Hobbsee: "Enable the kde system" doesn't exist there :s
[03:48] <Hobbsee> forkz: at the top ?
[03:48] <ace__> Hobbsee: would aoss be able to hook up team speak into alsa and would alsa be able to mix it?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> system settings, sound and multimedia, enable the sound system
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ace__: probably.  there is a way, it's just been a long time since i've used it
[03:49] <forkz> Found it... thx :p
[03:49] <draik> Is anybody else having issues getting updates/installs from 'adept'?
[03:49] <narasim_7> draik: yes
[03:50] <LeeJunFan> draik: known problem, being worked on.
[03:50] <narasim_7> draik: its timimg out..
[03:50] <narasim_7> LeeJunFan: can u elaborate..pls
[03:50] <apokryphos> many ubuntu services are down - people are working to restore them
[03:50] <narasim_7> LeeJunFan: Servers are down is that it?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> narasim_7: it's botched, they're working on it
[03:50] <LeeJunFan> narasim_7: yes.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> narasim_7: and the wiki, and launchpad, i think
[03:51] <Philip5> is it just me or is something very wrong with the www.kubuntu.org site?
[03:51] <draik> Thank you both, narasim_7 and LeeJunFan for helping
[03:51] <narasim_7> Hobbsee: okie
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> Philip5: it's just you :P
[03:51] <ace__> How did all these servers go down at the same time? hacked? maintenance?
[03:51] <Philip5> LeeJunFan: hehe
[03:51] <narasim_7> LeeJunFan: thnks
[03:51] <narasim_7> Hobbsee: thnks
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Philip5: see ubuntu server stuff.
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> ace__: good question. It is odd that multiple mirrors would have an application level problem at the same time.
[03:52] <forkz> ace__: It's MS... They hacked them... NOT
[03:52] <ace__> lol
[03:52] <ace__> maybe they all updated to a new package
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> ms can't hack, they can only be hacked.
[03:52] <forkz> LeeJunFan: Damn... You cracked my disguise
[03:52] <cga> !help rar
[03:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about help rar - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:53] <cga> !help unrar
[03:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about help unrar - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:53] <forkz> !rar
[03:53] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[03:53] <cga> !help restricted
[03:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about help restricted - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:53] <Hobbsee> !restricted
[03:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> I don't understand why 2 data centres in different parts of the world would both go down at the same time
[03:53] <Hobbsee> !rar
[03:53] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[03:53] <cga> thx Hobbsee
[03:53] <forkz> h3sp4wn: Its MS...  :D
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: it's application layer. Apache methinks. The servers themselves are up but apache isn't working correctly.
[03:55] <forkz> Doesn't Google have a old copy? Or does i have a bad memory?
[03:55] <thygrrr> !xfs
[03:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about xfs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:55] <forkz> does=do
[03:55] <thygrrr> !jfs
[03:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about jfs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:55] <ace__> thygrrr:  are you trying to install to xfs?
[03:55] <cga> !filesystems
[03:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about filesystems - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:55] <cga> !filesystem
[03:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about filesystem - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> well maybe not, ftp hangs too. The plot thickens.
[03:56] <cga> arrr
[03:56] <forkz> !x11
[03:56] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:56] <ace__> !mk.xfs
[03:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about mk.xfs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:56] <forkz> LeeJunFan: Meybe not? What? :s
[03:57] <v3ctor> mkfs.xfs
[03:57] <thygrrr> what filesystems would you recommend for an external 250 GB usb 2.0 drive; and what for a firewire drive of the same size? I don't think fat32 can still work at these sizes; I'm experiencing a lot of oddities trying to operate the drive with a fat32 fs (including data loss and total system hangs)
[03:57] <LeeJunFan> forkz: ftp hangs on the archives too, so it doesn't look like it simply is apache. So what would cause timeouts at multiple datacenters at the same time at a system/OS level?
[03:58] <dutch> http://www.tectonic.co.za/cooltool.php
[03:59] <Lynoure> LeeJunFan: let's not speculate. It's hard not to, but it's better not to
[03:59] <dutch> might be the cause
[03:59] <forkz> LeeJunFan: The only thing i can think of is coordinated hacks, but i really know nothing abput apache... never used it
[03:59] <LeeJunFan> Lynoure: bah, it's also fun. Gotta tease the brain a little bit :)
[03:59] <forkz> i speel like sh!t today
[03:59] <forkz> spell*
[03:59] <dutch> as long as you don't smell that way  :)
[04:00] <forkz> dutch: You woultn't belive if i told you how i smell ;)
[04:00] <forkz> See... spell like shit
[04:00] <ace__> thygrrr: ext3 or reiserfs would be ok
[04:00] <dutch> lol
[04:00] <dutch> I still need breakfast and a shower/shave
[04:01] <dutch> so  don't feel badly
[04:01] <forkz> hmmm... Dont need brakfeast... But need shower, and shave
[04:01] <forkz> Whats the time at you dutch?
[04:01] <dutch> 10:00 AM..
[04:01] <dutch> sunday morning of course
[04:02] <thygrrr> stardate 3451.8
[04:02] <thygrrr> Xd
[04:02] <thygrrr> :)
[04:02] <dutch> lol
[04:02] <forkz> Here it is 16:02... haven't got lunch
[04:02] <dutch> I'm way too old for the stardate stuff
[04:02] <forkz> stardate? :O :S whats that
[04:03] <dutch> forkz, see the comment by thygrrr
[04:03] <ace__> forkz:  are you in france?
[04:03] <forkz> ace__: Denmark ;)
[04:03] <thygrrr> 16:03 too, just eating mine while I wait for my harddrives to stop failing on me.
[04:03] <thygrrr> seems like I did it.
[04:03] <forkz> Hehe
[04:03] <ace__> forkz: close
[04:04] <thygrrr> apparently, 250 GB of fat32'ness doesn't work too well.
[04:04] <thygrrr> NAS, even.
[04:04] <forkz> Yeah... about three times as far than to the other end of my country
[04:05] <forkz> thygrrr: What is stardate? :S
[04:05] <forkz> ace__: Are you french?
[04:05] <dutch> something to do with all that scifi stuff
[04:05] <thygrrr> forkz, a fictional time notation from the startrek series.
[04:05] <thygrrr> forkz, it's completely bogus,
[04:06] <forkz> thygrrr: Ahh... i have too see them once :p
[04:06] <forkz> bogus? :s
[04:06] <dutch> see ! told you I was too old for that stuff
[04:06] <thygrrr> forkz, "nonsense" :)
[04:06] <forkz> Ahh :P
[04:06] <dutch> not  real
[04:06] <ace__> forkz: nope, i'm from the UK
[04:06] <forkz> cool...
[04:06] <forkz> dutch: Old? I am proberly too young :)
[04:07] <dutch> that could be :)
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> thygrrr: Which router ?
[04:10] <dutch> what's with the archive's this morning ?
[04:11] <dutch> keeps timing out on me
[04:13] <Lord_Athur> hi, is there any problem with the ubuntu pages?
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> thygrrr: Try a different firmware if its a linux based one (which it most likely is if it uses usb)
[04:13] <forkz> Lord_Athur: Think they are down :(
[04:13] <Lord_Athur> ok, thanks
[04:14] <Lord_Athur> forkz, do you know when the pages will be usable?
[04:15] <Lord_Athur> :)
[04:15] <thygrrr> h3sp4wn, nice idea, though I am not sure whether there is one - i'll look for it on the web.
[04:16] <thygrrr> h3sp4wn, actually, I may be lucky. Thanks a lot for pointing me in that direction :)
[04:17] <draik> Has this ever happened before... with the servers being down... if so, how long did it take last time to have everything back up and readily available?
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> draik: it's hard to say how long it will be based on how long it may have taken last time (if ever) as the problem is probably an entirely different one.
[04:19] <emonkey-p> !source
[04:19] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:19] <emonkey-p> !repository
[04:20] <emonkey-p> !easysource
[04:20] <draik> LeeJunFan: Thank you
[04:20] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:20] <mendred> hey hobbsee thanks for the suggestion..found an obscure kubuntu backports with kaffeine 0.8.1 :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> mendred: i dont even want to know how those were created...
[04:21] <mendred> Hobbsee: heh well am installing it now..if nothing blows up will let u know if it works :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> mendred: heh
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> on another outage note: anyone else having problems with yahoo messenger?
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> I don't seem to be able to stay connected for very long at a time.
[04:22] <draik> LeeJunFan:Yes, I was having issues all day yesterday with the Y! Messenger
[04:23] <draik> LeeJunFan:Both my laptop and cell phone
[04:24] <draik> LeeJunFan:You still having issues? I seem to be online with both accounts
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> draik: ah, okay. I was wondering if yahoo maybe did a protocol change kopete didn't like, but if your cellphone was doing it too -- I probably don't need to compile kopete from SVN :)
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> draik: actually just logged on now, I left it offline last night - got sick of messages popping up telling me I got logged off.
[04:25] <Tommy2k4> isnt there some site which has a db of lots of monitors where i can find out the vert/horiz rates
[04:25] <draik> LeeJunFan:Probably not. I usually have connection issues with MSN/Hotmail... I use Trillian on my laptop while I dual boot Kubuntu 6.06 with XPlode
[04:26] <ubuntu_> lol, this is a hilarious problem
[04:26] <ubuntu_> i am on kubuntu live cd 6.06. i switch to vt6 user from within kde
[04:27] <ubuntu_> now when i try to get back into kde by pressing alt-f7, the session is locked
[04:27] <ubuntu_> and i dunno the password
[04:27] <ubuntu_> what do i do now ?
[04:27] <Archie_Tooth> Question:  is there a Linux equivalent of 'Ghost'?  I am going to mess around with my installation big time and I'd like to be able to take a snapshot of my current install...
[04:27] <Archie_Tooth> ...and be able to reinstall easily when I screw things up.
[04:27] <h3sp4wn> Archie_Tooth: dd
[04:28] <thygrrr> h3sp4wn, tough luck, only the weaker one of my routers (weaker cpu, no usb) can run openwrt. how ironic... :) really close call, though.
[04:28] <mike_> Archie_Tooth: g4l (ghost for linux)
[04:28] <uniq> archie_tooth: partimage.
[04:28] <h3sp4wn> thygrrr: Which router is it that has the usb ?
[04:28] <mike_> Archie: that is one idea
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> Archie_Tooth: heh, I have a server called architeuthis (giant squid - for a gian squid server).
[04:29] <draik> !alien
[04:29] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[04:29] <ubuntu_> wow, this is surely a CRITICAL 'bug' in kubuntu cd
[04:29] <ubuntu_> !APT
[04:29] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[04:29] <Archie_Tooth> LeeJunFan - in other places I am known as 'MisterSquiddy'!!
[04:30] <ubuntu_> 
[04:30] <lingenfr> Anyone know what is up with us.archive.kubuntu it has been down for more than 24 hours?
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> thgrrr: If there is gpl sources for it it shouldn't be too hard to get openwrt working on it
[04:30] <lingenfr> Scheduled maintenance?
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> unscheduled
[04:32] <chanson> who is chinese ?
[04:32] <draik> Forced maintenance
[04:32] <Archie_Tooth> thanks for all the application suggestions - I'll check 'em out,
[04:32] <lingenfr> Okay, standing by trying to load a video editor
[04:32] <samo> erm... are the adept repositories down?
[04:33] <draik> samo:unforseen, unscheduled maintenance
[04:33] <lingenfr> Yes the repositories (ubuntu) are down, that was what I was asking about
[04:34] <Hobbsee> see the /topic about repos
[04:34] <samo> thank god, I though I had hosed my install _AGAIN_ :$
[04:34] <lingenfr> Anyone know how to define actions for synaptics touchpad "tap zones"?
[04:34] <draik> samo:ditto
[04:35] <samo> well see you ppl
[04:35] <lingenfr> "tap zones" similar to the windoze driver
[04:37] <chanson>  
[04:37] <||Trayer||> !flash
[04:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:37] <Tommy2k4> http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4776/bugkp4.png anyone got an idea what could cause this (the broken highlight on lots of gui elements)
[04:38] <thygrrr> h3sp4wn, the usb one is a Siemens SE551
[04:38] <ubuntu_> sal
[04:38] <||Trayer||> Alright, the link was dead on help.ubuntu, does anyone know the simplest way to install the newest flash on Konqueror?
[04:39] <||Trayer||> What should I use? The Mozilla compatable? Netscape compatable?
[04:39] <thygrrr> Hm, actually, I think the partitioning program was just screwed up. mkdosfs was able to properly create a mountable fat32 partition... lets see what happens when I put some data on it
[04:39] <kbrooks> WTF, help.ubuntu.com is down
[04:39] <||Trayer||> kbrooks: Yep, That's why I'm asking for help here
[04:40] <Hobbsee> kbrooks: yes, it is.
[04:40] <kbrooks> Why, Hobbsee?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> kbrooks: because it is.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> *is
[04:41] <Hobbsee> and that they're working on it
[04:41] <kbrooks> they better be
[04:41] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee's been playing with the EMP device again. :(
[04:42] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: i didnt do it!
[04:42] <||Trayer||>  Err, Lemme reformat my question into one message.  I'm trying to install the newest flash player on my machine. I use Konqueror for a browser, and can't seem to find a download for konqueror.  And, I can't any flash packages on adept on the universe/multiverse.
[04:42] <raziel_> hi guys, which repository do I need for the libdvdcss2 package?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !dvd
[04:42] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:42] <Hobbsee> argh.
[04:43] <karen> trayer: have you tried automatix?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> !automatix
[04:43] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[04:43] <raziel_> hmm... wiki.ubuntu.com is down? Quite a bit of ubuntu is down... anyone know what's up?
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> raziel_: no details yet.
[04:44] <raziel_> thx
[04:44] <||Trayer||> Karen: I was kind of hesitant,  Mainly I was wondering if I should use the "Mozilla compatable and it's variants" pack or if there is another since that's the one it seemed to detect that I had one of those.
[04:45] <mendred> raziel: deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/plf dapper free non-free
[04:45] <mendred> just installed it now
[04:46] <h8me> archive.ubuntu.com is down ? =/
[04:46] <Hobbsee> h8me: yes, see /topic
[04:46] <||Trayer||> If anyone goes on Adept in the multiverse there is a file "flashplugin-nonfree".  Is that it?
[04:46] <h8me> oh , sorry
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ||Trayer||: quite likely.
[04:46] <karen> Trayer: I have used automatix on 3 installs so far and it works well.  Installs Flash plugin for firefox.
[04:47] <||Trayer||> I'm using konqueror though, And I don't really like the idea of switching to firefox
[04:47] <draik> what is a known issue about using 'alien' on RPMs?
[04:48] <hardw1re> repos' down?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hardw1re: yes, see /topic
[04:48] <karen> Konqueror uses mozilla plugins and firefox is a mozilla based browser.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> draik: it doesnt really work, often?
[04:49] <draik> Hobbsee:Oic. Thank you. I was reading up about it and was thinking about it until I read the '!alien'
[04:49] <Hobbsee> draik: ah.  it's much safer to compile from source :)
[04:50] <draik> Hobbsee:I usually get errors all over the place when I do that... And that's why I'm a newbie
[04:50] <draik> Hobbsee:Actually, I'm a newbie and that's why errors happen
[04:51] <Hobbsee> draik: hehe, you can bring pastebins of errors in here you know :)
[04:51] <draik> Hobbsee:Don't want to crash this server... enough damage done with the repo server and such.. lol
[04:51] <Hobbsee> draik: heh, that's a point.
[04:53] <||Trayer||> dudes not cool the respos are down = \.  Browsing the internet for files is lame
[04:53] <draik> Hobbsee:I'm really good on a windows level from playing with options. I can't do that in Linux, as I found out. Linux can be as unforgiving as the windows registry
[04:53] <ironfroggy> anyone know how to speed up xgl? its slower than software rendering!
[04:53] <Hobbsee> draik: heh, true.
[04:55] <draik> Hobsee:I am on my second install of Kubuntu 6.06. Couldn't log into either OS (dual boot Kubuntu with XPlode) and I had to 'fdisk /mbr' and pave again
[04:55] <Hobbsee> draik: ouchy.  only the second install?
[04:56] <ironfroggy> ok better question: is there a non-Mesa renderer for the i810 driver?
[04:57] <draik> Hobbsee:I have been doing everything overly cautious and assume the worst with my choices and hope for the best (or at least not reinstalling Kubutnu AGAIN)
[04:57] <zsuzsi> hi all
[04:57] <Hobbsee> draik: hehe, smart move
[04:57] <zsuzsi> im back
[04:57] <zsuzsi> i still have the question!
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: mesa is the best thing to use intel has fully opensource drivers and hence mesa should support dri - But I don't know why you would use xgl on intel anyway (breaks too much)
[04:58] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: use aiglx (supports intel perfectly)
[04:58] <zsuzsi> i have the same problem as described at http://www.ubuntux.org/dapper-gnome-error
[04:58] <ironfroggy> DRI or not its still software rendering, its just pushing the buffer quicker, but the actual rendering is still in mesa.
[04:58] <zsuzsi> i dont understand what is meant by "Flushed the settings cache" at the bottom of the page!!!
[04:58] <zsuzsi> please somebody help..?
[04:59] <draik> Hobbsee:I used to use knoppix (3.4 - 4.0.2) for repairing windows issues. I asked around for a good Linux Distro for a newbie like me and was introduced to Kubuntu. So here I am. Still happy, even with the current issues/situation!
[04:59] <Hobbsee> draik: :)
[04:59] <coachJ> when I click on an Email address link in Konquorer or Firefox nothing happens, what do I have to do to get my Email application to open?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> draik: it works better when all the documentation is up
[04:59] <Hobbsee> coachJ: which email application is the default one that you want to use?
[05:00] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: mesa supports rendering in hardware (for some cards)
[05:00] <ironfroggy> how can i tell which it is doing now? going by speed, i dont think its accelerated rendering.
[05:01] <draik> Hobbsee:True. I just wish that I was introduced to Linux sooner so that I could be more advanced/understanding of how it works. I am attempting to find a linux school/course close by, but no such luck yet. I am in California, BTW.
[05:01] <ironfroggy> and as for the why: niftiness!
[05:02] <Hobbsee> draik: true.  you'll learn it though :)
[05:02] <coachJ> Draik: You cant be a Linux user untill you have destroyed several installs, so go for it!
[05:02] <coachJ> thunderbird
[05:03] <Hobbsee> coachJ: ahhh...i saw something about that.  on kde.org, there's a section on new apps - including one about thunderbird and sendnig emails from konq, etc - was the top one on the list.  you might want to check it out
[05:03] <thygrrr> ****, having to copy data from a firewire disk to an usb disk really sucks under linux. both drives work fine on their own. :-/
[05:03] <Hobbsee> coachJ: you havent tried hard enough to learn if you havent memorised all the steps of the install :P
[05:03] <draik> coachj:I am only 1 ruined install into Kubuntu
[05:03] <coachJ> got a few more to go
[05:04] <draik> It's good to know that there is a community (namely this one) that is readily available to help even the most newbie of newbies
[05:04] <draik> Thank you all
[05:05] <coachJ> draik: http://linuxbasics.org/ will be having a irc class in the future
[05:05] <||Trayer||> What's the command line command to make a dir?
[05:06] <draik> Sweet. I will be sure to be there for it
[05:06] <dutch> mkdir,  I think
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> ||Trayer||: mkdir
[05:06] <ironfroggy> mkdir
[05:06] <||Trayer||> Thanks
[05:06] <thygrrr> coachJ, awesome, I'll look into that.
[05:07] <slow-motion> re
[05:07] <_greg> hey guys, i got a filesystem error on a reboot and had to use a live cd to run fsck. is there any way to use it without a root password (the main user pw didn't cut it)
[05:08] <thygrrr> Why does it say "stalled" when copying, whereas I am copying at about 18 mb a second? And THEN it suddenly locks up; several gigabytes later. :-/
[05:08] <coachJ> draik: also check out the Ubuntu classroom wicki offering a class in august
[05:08] <||Trayer||> Errr, Does anyone know the installation path of konqueror? I need it in order to install flash
[05:09] <thygrrr> actually, it seems to pause for no apparent reason.
[05:09] <draik> Using k3b to burn a data DVD. First attempt burned perfectly, but won't read on my windows pc. Suggestions for windows readability?
[05:09] <ironfroggy> ||Trayer||: that should not matter at all.
[05:09] <ironfroggy> ||Trayer||: flash is a netscape plugin, and konq just looks in the common places for those.
[05:09] <draik> coachj:I will look into everything that has Linux as a course. I really want to get involved with Linux as I did with windows
[05:10] <||Trayer||>  ironfroggy: I have the "Mozilla" and compatable version, should I remove it for the netscape and compatable?
[05:10] <ironfroggy> same thing
[05:10] <coachJ> I find myself using windoze less and less
[05:10] <ironfroggy> im just saying that the plugin and its installer doesnt care about konqueror.
[05:10] <||Trayer||>  ironfroggy: Well, the installer is looking for an installation path
[05:10] <_greg> so....no advice for using fsck?
[05:10] <ironfroggy> im on hiatus from windows until i have the free time to get in some .Net development.
[05:10] <draik> same here. I just use windows for when I need to do something strictly pc related for a friend
[05:11] <||Trayer||>  ironfroggy: I thought I would just put /usr/lib/browser-plugins but it says please put a valid path
[05:11] <ironfroggy> ||Trayer||: you didnt download the installer from macromedia did you?
[05:11] <||Trayer||>  ironfroggy: Adobe
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> same thing - now
[05:11] <||Trayer||>  ironfroggy: (They bought out macromedia)
[05:11] <ironfroggy> ||Trayer||: well im not sure what its expecting the path to be, but why are you using that instead of a proper package?
[05:12] <ironfroggy> being bought doesnt mean they dont exist anymore.
[05:12] <||Trayer||>  ironfroggy: how is that im-proper = \,  The respotories are down, and in there they have the exact same file
[05:13] <_greg> it seems if there is no way to use fsck at the prompt, that's a great big problem, no?
[05:13] <||Trayer||>  ironfroggy: Should I just try copying the .so and .xpt files to a folder?
[05:13] <ironfroggy> the repositories are not down and they are not the same file. the packages put the plugin in the right place.
[05:14] <thygrrr> pow, another system lockup :-(
[05:14] <ironfroggy> unless, have they gone down _again_? a different server even?
[05:14] <ironfroggy> is there scheduled maintainance this weekend or something?
[05:15] <||Trayer||> I just got it working through manual installation.  sudo mv'd the files
[05:16] <ironfroggy> put them where?
[05:16] <coachJ> R the repos still down?
[05:16] <||Trayer||> usr/lib/browser-plugins, it's a folder konqueror is set to scan in its settings
[05:16] <taos_KB> trayer: flashplayer plugin is /home/yourusername/.mozzila/plugins/libfashplayer.so
[05:17] <draik> is there a way to make k3b burn windows readable data DVDs?
[05:18] <||Trayer||> taos_KB: Is it required to be there? As under the plugins section in konqueror it says it searches the folder I put.  And I need to restart KDE for it to scan again anyway
[05:18] <_greg> draik, the way i do it is to use mkisofs to create a disk image, and use k3b tools-burn cd image
[05:18] <_greg> or dvd image
[05:18] <draik> will windows read it once burned?
[05:19] <_greg> always worked for me
[05:20] <draik> mkisofs?
[05:21] <taos_KB> flasplayer also at /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree
[05:21] <_greg> yeah, for a data dvd
[05:21] <taos_KB> This is where automatix installed it on my machine
[05:21] <draik> mkisofs - app? option?
[05:22] <_greg> mkisofs -r -v -o foo.iso /path/to/directory
[05:23] <_greg> it creates an iso image you burn
[05:26] <draik> as for the path, how do I put a 'space' for the folder name?
[05:26] <_greg> a space?
[05:26] <draik> file name as opposed to file_name
[05:27] <_greg> use quotes "
[05:27] <draik> ???
[05:27] <draik> quotes?
[05:27] <_greg> "file name"
[05:28] <draik> so... example... /media/sda1/"folder a"/folder_b/app
[05:28] <draik> Yes? No?
[05:28] <_greg> yep
[05:28] <draik> ok
[05:28] <draik> lemme try
[05:29] <draik> SWEET
[05:29] <ironfroggy> you can also put the quotes around the entire path
[05:29] <draik> Thank you _greg
[05:29] <ironfroggy> "/foo/bar baz/"
[05:30] <h3sp4wn> !locales
[05:30] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocaleConf
[05:30] <_greg> no prob bob
[05:31] <dr_willis> Bash Fundamentals :)
[05:31] <draik> Thank you ironfroggy, I put quotes before and after the complete path
[05:31] <draik> I always wondered how to get into those folders with the spaces
[05:31] <Chousuke> \ also works for escaping spaces.
[05:32] <Chousuke> /like\ this/
[05:32] <Ragol> hi guys (and gals too :)
[05:32] <ironfroggy> Chousuke: yeah but thats so ugly
[05:32] <Ragol> I lost sounds suddenly
[05:32] <Chousuke> you get used to it.
[05:33] <draik> Chousuke:I think that will throw me off. Thank you for your input, too
[05:33] <Ragol> and have no idea where to look at
[05:33] <Ragol> kmix don't have any channel muted
[05:33] <Ragol> amarok is using xine with alsa
[05:33] <_greg> Ragol- kde event sounds will freeze it up
[05:34] <draik> _greg:Now that I have the ISO, do I just burn as a regular ISO on k3b?
[05:34] <Ragol> _greg: what do you mean?
[05:35] <Ragol> oh, could it be because I added another account also in audio group?
[05:35] <_greg> draik got to tools/burn dvd iso image
[05:35] <Ragol> kubuntu 6.06 is of course in this computer
[05:35] <totoro_home> anybody knows what the issue is w/ us.archive.ubuntu.com and now seems with ca.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:35] <Ragol> and both accounts are logged in to X
[05:36] <draik> _greg:I started k3b and clicked on 'Burn DVD ISO image'
[05:36] <coachJ> totoro:been down since yesterday
[05:37] <totoro_home> coachj: is there a way for apt to auto-redirect on timeouts from a list of mirrors?
[05:37] <_greg> draik, navigate to the iso image you created with mkisofs and select it
[05:38] <coachJ> totoro: sorry don't know
[05:39] <draik> _greg:I did that. It created an Md5 SUM
[05:39] <draik> _greg:System ID reads LINUX
[05:40] <_greg> i don't think that will be a problem, the iso image should be windows legible
[05:40] <draik> Here goes nothing...
[05:41] <draik> Is the max burn speed 6x???
[05:41] <draik> I have a 16x DVD burner
[05:42] <_greg> dunno
[05:43] <draik> as long as it burns I suppose it's ok
[05:43] <draik> I really don't want to boot into windoze just to burn a data DVD for my friend's PC
[05:45] <_greg> don't blame you
[05:46] <Tommy2k4> abattoir, you remember my pc kept crashing yesterday and u suggested i try a new monitor
[05:46] <Tommy2k4> well i did and it still crashes :(
[05:47] <draik> I am beginning to make a transition from XPlode to Kubuntu and I don't want to find a need for windoze anymore
[05:47] <Sarnuial> yay!
[05:47] <Sarnuial> another convert!
[05:47] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: i dont remember saying that
[05:48] <Niunio> Hi
[05:48] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: i asked you to use dexconf to restore your orig. xorg.conf
[05:48] <Tommy2k4> pretty sure u did :s
[05:48] <Niunio> I need help with mount and fstab
[05:48] <Tommy2k4> yes after that
[05:48] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: pretty sure i didnt
[05:48] <Niunio> It doesen't detect VFAT file format
[05:48] <Tommy2k4> lemme check logs, i could be wrong
[05:48] <draik> Sarunuial:I'm not the only one. Another friend of mine is also getting irritated (putting it mildly) of XPlode
[05:49] <_greg> draik: i've never even owned a windoxs box-mac, linux on a mac, then linux on a pc
[05:49] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: unfortunately i cant do that now :P.
[05:49] <Tommy2k4> cant do what
[05:50] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: check my logs :)
[05:50] <draik> _greg:PERFECT reads in windoze
[05:50] <_greg> cool
[05:50] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: even though i am pretty sure
[05:50] <Sarnuial> draik: wait, is XPlode some sort of DE?
[05:50] <raziel__> i wonder if someone could help me, as it seems I've got a problem and since I'm still pretty much of a newbie, well...
[05:50] <Niunio> Hello?
[05:50] <Sarnuial> draik: or is it windoze by another name
[05:50] <Tommy2k4> wtf
[05:50] <abattoir> raziel__: what's your problem?
[05:50] <Tommy2k4> does xchat have selective logging or something
[05:51] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: ???
[05:51] <Tommy2k4> its logging sucks
[05:51] <draik> Sarnuial:LOL, Windoze XPlode... Windows XP
[05:51] <raziel__> well, hard to explain
[05:51] <Tommy2k4> its like 99% joins/quits for this channel
[05:51] <Sarnuial> Niunio: Sorry, trying 2 find something
[05:51] <phitoo> Good morning, all! I can't seem to access any Ubuntu site. Anybody knows what is going on?
[05:51] <_greg> it even works to burn a mp3 disk a mp3-compatible ca4r stereo can read
[05:51] <Sarnuial> draik: ok, thought so.
[05:51] <Niunio> Ok
[05:51] <Sarnuial> phitoo: "Many ubuntu services are down - people are working to restore them"
[05:51] <raziel__> I just installed dapper and then run apt-get distro-upgrade (well, actually a friend did, but he's not around anymore) and then it gave me some error about tzdata
[05:52] <Niunio> Tell me when you can help me.
[05:52] <abattoir> raziel__: it coulnt 'stat' a particular timezone?
[05:52] <MilhousePunkRock> raziel__: Did you update your sources list?
[05:52] <raziel__> hm, nothing about that, something about dpkg and that it is not able to process tzdata
[05:53] <Tommy2k4> ok abattoir i confused u with Hawkwind sorry :p
[05:53] <phitoo> Sarnuial: thanks, I saw it. I guess I'm looking for specifics. :-)
[05:53] <abattoir> Tommy2k4: np :P
[05:53] <raziel__> like I said, a friend did most of the stuff for me so I'm not sure
[05:53] <Sarnuial> phitoo: gotcha ;)
[05:53] <abattoir> raziel__: could you pastebin the error message?
[05:53] <abattoir> !paste
[05:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:53] <Tommy2k4> at least i now have a new monitor :p
[05:54] <Sarnuial> Niunio: what do u mean it wont find it?
[05:54] <_greg> Niunio: linux will read a vfat file system. it has to be mounted. what kind of device are you trying to read?
[05:54] <raziel__> ok, did it...I hope
[05:55] <Sarnuial> Niunio: it just doesnt see it?
[05:55] <Tommy2k4> how would i reinstall the i810 video driver
[05:55] <Niunio> I'm trying to mount a ZIP256 (/dev/sda)
[05:55] <Niunio> I want to mount it in /mnt/zip256
[05:55] <_greg> try sda1
[05:57] <_greg> mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/zip256
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: No, xchat does not do selective logging unless you use a script.  However, you can turn joins/parts off globally or per channel basis
[05:57] <MilhousePunkRock> When I suspend my Laptop to RAM, neither mouse nor keyboard work, when I resume it... Only thing I can do is restarting X... Anyone got a clue?
[05:57] <Tommy2k4> its ok
[05:57] <Niunio> wait, please...
[05:57] <Tommy2k4> but since ur here Hawkwind, u suggested i try a new monitor and i did and it still crashes :(
[05:57] <coachJ> Ubuntu web site is down??
[05:58] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Then it sounds like a hardware problem I'm afraid
[05:58] <coachJ> what is going on??
[05:58] <Tommy2k4> u think i should reinstall i810 driver maybe
[05:59] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Might not hurt.  I'd definitely look into my video card drivers and see if maybe that's not causing a problem
[05:59] <Tommy2k4> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-driver-i810
[05:59] <Tommy2k4> i wonder what that just did
[06:00] <coachJ> dont cap letters at me
[06:00] <Niunio> Thanks guys. I forgot the number. It is /dev/sda4
[06:00] <Niunio> Thanks again
[06:00] <_greg> ain't no thang
[06:00] <||Trayer||> !wine
[06:00] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:01] <||Trayer||> !wow
[06:01] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[06:01] <Niunio> C u later ;)
[06:01] <Tommy2k4> Hawkwind, i know it sounds weird but i think it might be related to xine
[06:01] <Sarnuial> bye
[06:01] <Tommy2k4> or something like that
[06:01] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Ummm, how would it be related to Xine ?
[06:02] <Tommy2k4> well i also get this: http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4776/bugkp4.png alot (broken highlights on lots of gui elements) and i think theyre related
[06:02] <Tommy2k4> and it usually happens after ive opened xmms
[06:03] <Tommy2k4> and yesterday i managed to make the crash happen reproduceable by using konquerors find-file then clicking the tools menu it would crash
[06:03] <Tommy2k4> i made it happen 5 times in a row, but my kde autostart opens lots of apps so i decided to close them all and test them 1 by 1
[06:03] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Just curious....how old is the hardware you're using ?
[06:03] <Tommy2k4> and xmms made it crash
[06:03] <Tommy2k4> but i never used to use xmms, i used to use kaffeine and it used to crash then so it might be xine
[06:03] <Tommy2k4> 5 year old dell
[06:04] <Tommy2k4> 733mhz p3, 256mb ram
[06:04] <stefan_> hi, why can I install evolution on kubuntu?
[06:04] <Hawkwind> stefan_: Why can you or why can't you ?
[06:04] <abattoir> hmmm, who is the peron who had tzdata installation problems?
[06:04] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Has this happened since the original install of Kubuntu, or is it something that started happening later down the road ?
[06:04] <raziel__> tzdata? here, me
[06:05] <abattoir> raziel__: posted it?
[06:05] <Tommy2k4> since the start i think
[06:05] <stefan_> Hawkwind: in the adept manager it's not evolution here
[06:05] <Tommy2k4> or soon after
[06:05] <raziel__> yeah, I think so
[06:05] <abattoir> raziel__: you are supposed to give the link here. :)
[06:05] <abattoir> raziel__: nvm this time, got it
[06:05] <Hawkwind> !info evolution
[06:05] <ubotu> evolution: The groupware suite. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.6.1-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 4586 kB, installed size 34184 kB
[06:05] <abattoir> raziel__: ok, first do 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[06:05] <Hawkwind> stefan_: It's in the 'main' repo so you should be able to install it without issue
[06:06] <abattoir> raziel__: do you get the same/similar error?
[06:06] <raziel__> this one? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18695
[06:06] <abattoir> raziel__: yup, but i got it...
[06:06] <raziel__> yep, I already tried that one
[06:06] <raziel__> same error
[06:06] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Have you thought about doing a reinstall and see if maybe that helps and/or fixes the problem ?
[06:06] <Tommy2k4> iuno
[06:06] <abattoir> raziel__: ok, 'sudo dpkg -r tzdata'
[06:06] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: I know a reinstall isn't normally the solution, it's the *Windows* way, but this may help you
[06:07] <Tommy2k4> id lose all my stuffz
[06:07] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Make backups first
[06:07] <abattoir> raziel__: get anything about ubuntu-minimal ?
[06:07] <raziel__> gives me this: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove tzdata which isn't installed.
[06:07] <Tommy2k4> dam
[06:07] <abattoir> raziel__: and 'sudo apt-get install' gives you the error?
[06:08] <Tommy2k4> that broken highlight is happening again and i didnt open xmms this time
[06:08] <stefan_> Hawkwind: de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and de.security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is active
[06:08] <Sarnuial> Tommy2k4: beavers make em' ;)
[06:08] <Tommy2k4> it will crash soon
[06:08] <raziel__> no, that gives me a different error
[06:08] <Tommy2k4> huh
[06:08] <raziel__> something about unmet dependencies
[06:08] <abattoir> raziel__: ubuntu-minimal ?
[06:09] <raziel__> nope
[06:09] <abattoir> raziel__: could you pastebin that too
[06:10] <raziel__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18698
[06:11] <abattoir> raziel__: and 'sudo apt-get -f install' gives the same error message it did before?
[06:11] <raziel__> yep
[06:11] <abattoir> raziel__: you tried it again now... right?
[06:11] <raziel__> of course
[06:12] <||Trayer||> !wow
[06:12] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[06:12] <||Trayer||> Are the help sites back up yet?
[06:12] <Sarnuial> Kubuntu Forums never went down
[06:12] <Sarnuial> as far as i know
[06:12] <Sarnuial> anyway its up now...
[06:12] <kbrooks> um
[06:12] <_greg> so, short of using a live cd, does anyone know how to use fsck to repair a filesystem with no root password?
[06:13] <Sarnuial> the main site is still down
[06:13] <kbrooks> link to kubuntu forums someone
[06:13] <Sarnuial> http://kubuntuforums.net
[06:13] <Hawkwind> kubuntuforums.net/
[06:14] <Hawkwind> Google.com would have told you that answer too :P
[06:14] <abattoir> raziel__: hmmm, do you want to manually try removing the file? Africa/Algiers... ?
[06:14] <raziel__> well, if that helps...
[06:14] <danny50010> who's the retard that programmed netpanzer?
[06:15] <Sarnuial> !netpanzer
[06:15] <ubotu> I know nothing about netpanzer - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:15] <Sarnuial> danny50010: no one ;)
[06:15] <abattoir> raziel__: 'sudo rm /usr/share/zoneinfo/Africa/Algiers'
[06:15] <danny50010> shut up ubotu
[06:15] <Hawkwind> danny50010: Chill
[06:15] <Sarnuial> danny50010: whoa, wats the matter with you?
[06:15] <raziel__> ok
[06:15] <danny50010> thats stupid computer
[06:16] <danny50010> everything I type It looks it up and tells me about it
[06:16] <Sarnuial> danny50010: hey dude, if u dont tell us the problem we cant help fix it
[06:16] <Hawkwind> danny50010: No it doesn't
[06:16] <eric___> Wondered if I could ask a basic kubuntu question.
[06:16] <abattoir> raziel__: after that try 'sudo apt-get -f install' again
[06:16] <Hawkwind> danny50010: Someone else triggered the bot for your info
[06:16] <Sarnuial> danny50010: it only does something if you type !
[06:17] <danny50010> o
[06:17] <eric___> Kubuntu seems to like to restore all of your applications after rebooting.
[06:17] <bobstro> _greg:  haven't tried this with ubuntu, but can you boot into single user mode with no passwd?
[06:17] <raziel__> still the same error
[06:17] <danny50010> ok
[06:17] <eric___> Is there a way to make the system shut down - everything - and not to do that?
[06:17] <Sarnuial> eric___: Ctrl+Q?
[06:17] <abattoir> raziel__: huh? you removed the file right? hmmm
[06:17] <raziel__> yeah
[06:18] <bobstro> eric___:  the session settings should do it.
[06:18] <_greg> bobstro: perhaps there is a way, there is on rpm-based distros
[06:18] <bobstro> _greg:  it should work the same way at grub prompt. so you have no actual root password set, but need it to run fsck on startup, right?
[06:18] <_greg> yep
[06:18] <kbrooks> weird
[06:19] <bobstro> _greg:  yeah, i always set a root passwd because of those situations. don't care what the 'correct' way is these days.
[06:19] <danny50010> how do I install java?
[06:19] <bobstro> _greg:  see if you can boot with 'single' appended to image name.
[06:19] <eric___> bobstro: session settings in system settings?
[06:19] <stopbear> hi there
[06:19] <Sarnuial> danny50010: http://java.sun.com
[06:19] <abattoir> raziel__: try 'sudo dpkg -r locales'
[06:20] <_greg> bobstro: i think this is a glaring example of why you need a root pw
[06:20] <danny50010> how do I install java?
[06:20] <bobstro> eric___:  that should be it. you can tell it whether or not to save things.
[06:20] <the_hammer> anyone here able to asist me with setting up an eggdrop?
[06:20] <bobstro> _greg:  agreed!
[06:20] <abattoir> !java > danny50010
[06:20] <bobstro> _greg:  although arguably a rescue cd is 'better' in this situation.
[06:20] <eric___> bobstro: Is there a setting that will let you change or get rid of the big 'K' on the tool bar?
[06:21] <raziel__> now I get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18699
[06:21] <danny50010> I've already read that, it still don't work
[06:21] <stopbear> hi, I have a serious problem with my sound configuration
[06:21] <danny50010> what's wrong?
[06:21] <_greg> bobstro: the kubuntu install cd was pretty useless
[06:21] <bobstro> eric___:  i think you can customize the bitmap... but can't tell you exactly how.
[06:21] <_greg> the ubuntu live cd was how i got it fixed
[06:21] <bobstro> _greg:  ah, yeah you probably need a live. but isn't there a 'rescue' mode on the install?
[06:21] <_greg> none that i saw
[06:22] <danny50010> stopbear
[06:22] <bobstro> _greg:  oh ok. yeah, the dvd lets you do both. i keep a stack of various live/rescue cds around.
[06:22] <eric___> bobstro: For what it's worth, I'm running kubuntu 6.06 on an ancient G3 iMac (bondi blue G3/233) dinosaur.  It runs surprisingly well, albeit very sluggishly.
[06:22] <danny50010> stopbear
[06:22] <danny50010> hello
[06:22] <bobstro> _greg:  glad you got it working!
[06:22] <stopbear> I have 2 soundcards installed in my computer but kubuntu starts the wrong one as dsp0.....i tried some howtos on the net but i didnt bring it to work
[06:22] <eric___> bobstro: It's working well enough that I'm looking at buying some PC parts and making a proper linux box.
[06:22] <_greg> a newbie with a corrupt filesystem would freak
[06:22] <danny50010> hold on I'll see how to fix that ok
[06:23] <the_hammer> stopbear is 1 by chance onbord sounds?
[06:23] <bobstro> eric___:  you can customize most of that stuff (the buttons can be themed) but i haven't done it.
[06:23] <abattoir> raziel__: so you upgraded from breezy to dapper?
[06:23] <stopbear> the_hammer: jup, the first one is a "onboard"....infact it is more a riser card
[06:23] <bobstro> _greg:  agreed. although with ext3 that's _less_ likely now. still can happen though.
[06:23] <stopbear> in fact
[06:23] <raziel__> not realy, well, yeah i had breezy on it before but installed dapper on a new partition
[06:23] <the_hammer> tried going into the bios to disable it?
[06:24] <bobstro> _greg:  rather journaled fs in general.
[06:24] <danny50010> use your device manager
[06:24] <the_hammer> ive had that happen before to but with windows
[06:24] <danny50010> stopbear
[06:24] <abattoir> raziel__: so it was a fresh dapper install? why did you dist-upgrade then?
[06:24] <abattoir> raziel__: hmmm nvm
[06:24] <stopbear> the card cant be configured at the bios
[06:24] <danny50010> stopbear use your device manager
[06:24] <stopbear> its a riser-card.
[06:24] <raziel__> well, actually a friend did...I realy don't know why exactly
[06:25] <Sarnuial> stopbear: then pull it out?
[06:25] <Hawkwind> stopbear: Do you use both sound cards ?
[06:25] <the_hammer> ahh ok not sure how to help ya then but daddy here says try to use device manager
[06:25] <stopbear> danny50010: how do I do that? im a bit new to linux.....
[06:25] <Hawkwind> stopbear: Or do you want to use just one ?
[06:25] <the_hammer> oops danny sorry
[06:25] <danny50010> go to the menu "System"
[06:26] <stopbear> Sarnuial and Hawkwind: I want to use them both.....one for teamspeak and the other one for my 5.1 surround system
[06:26] <Sarnuial> stopbear: ah, ok
[06:26] <Hawkwind> stopbear: Ah ok, then listen to what danny50010 is telling you
[06:26] <danny50010> oh
[06:26] <stopbear> ok
[06:26] <Hawkwind> Maybe he knows how to deal with 2 sound cards, cause I sure don't
[06:27] <Sarnuial> device manager... you'd go into "system settings" on the menu right?
[06:27] <danny50010> yes
[06:27] <danny50010> then administration menu
[06:27] <stopbear> danny50010: I have the german version.....I am in the system configuration....
[06:27] <bobstro> eric___:  session manager is under kde components, did you find it?
[06:28] <danny50010> oh
[06:28] <danny50010> I'm using english
[06:28] <stopbear> danny50010: let me explain.....
[06:28] <abattoir> raziel__: cant think of anything else, can you try and 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' again/
[06:28] <abattoir> ?
[06:28] <helfrez> i wonder what actually happened to all the servers, musta been a big breakdown somewhere in the network
[06:28] <raziel__> yeah, but it will take a while
[06:29] <abattoir> raziel__: ping me when you are done...
[06:29] <danny50010> I don't think I can help you stopbear, sorry
[06:29] <stopbear> you mean the window where from top to bottom stands: Personal | Hardware | Network | Systemconfiguration....
[06:29] <danny50010> But I know someone who could
[06:30] <danny50010> stopbear, go to www.callforhelptv.com
[06:30] <raziel__> oh, hey, he won't even do that
[06:30] <danny50010> they know everything
[06:30] <raziel__> still the problem with libc6 and tzdata
[06:30] <the_hammer> lol
[06:30] <the_hammer> poor stopbear lol
[06:31] <danny50010> lol, I know
[06:31] <Sarnuial> stopbear: yeah, i think thats where
[06:31] <Tommy2k4> i only have 1 linux partition, / , can i reinstall kubuntu over the top of it or will it have to format it
[06:31] <danny50010> stop bear, just go to www.callforhelptv.com, they should be able to help you
[06:31] <the_hammer> will likely format it tommy
[06:32] <Tommy2k4> kk
[06:32] <danny50010> yep
[06:32] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: If you install over it, it will delete all the info anyways. So you have to format it
[06:32] <Sarnuial> so now im having a problem
[06:32] <Tommy2k4> k
[06:32] <stopbear> hmm...maybe i will get help elsewhere
[06:32] <danny50010> I'm starting a new convr
[06:33] <Tommy2k4> maybe the install will be better with the alternative cd
[06:33] <Sarnuial> i got my shipit cds a few days ago (yes ive been trying to answer questions blind)
[06:33] <Tommy2k4> cos the livecd installer sucks!
[06:33] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: For future references, you should atleast make / and /home seperate partitions
[06:33] <stopbear> thx anyways
[06:33] <the_hammer> me to im looking for someone to walk me through an install for an eggdrop
[06:33] <Sarnuial> and i cant get it to load
[06:33] <Tommy2k4> Hawkwind, i tried but the installer wouldnt let me
[06:33] <Sarnuial> the cd boots, the casper menu comes up,
[06:33] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: Use the 'alternate' CD instead
[06:33] <Tommy2k4> i have one now so i will
[06:33] <Hawkwind> Tommy2k4: The LiveCD is known to have issues with it's installer
[06:33] <Sarnuial> but it goes into a kernel panic when it finds the usb ports
[06:34] <Sarnuial> something about the interupts not syncing
[06:35] <Tommy2k4> gonna take forever to customize my kubuntu back to what it is now :(
[06:36] <Tommy2k4> na it wont take too long it will prolly be a better install anyway cos i wont have all the crap i put on it
[06:37] <samir> hey does anyone know what's going on with the ubuntu servers?
[06:38] <Tommy2k4> USA ones are down
[06:38] <samir> how can i access another country's servers?
[06:38] <Hawkwind> samir: They are all down at the moment
[06:38] <samir> ok
[06:38] <samir> thanks
[06:38] <Hawkwind> samir: Change the us.archive to de.archive
[06:39] <Hawkwind> Or similar
[06:39] <samir> well i wanted the forums
[06:39] <gnomefreak> all are down read the topic
[06:39] <samir> ubuntuforums.org
[06:39] <gnomefreak> all ubuntu.com servers are down
[06:39] <v3ctor> uk are down also
[06:39] <gnomefreak> including forums, mailing lists, websites, apt
[06:39] <Lynoure> Still no announcement about the causes anywhere?
[06:40] <samir> is it all hosted at 1 datacenter or something?
[06:40] <the_hammer> holy
[06:40] <the_hammer> glad i dont use ubuntu then
[06:40] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: de. works here without problems
[06:40] <Sarnuial> http://kubuntuforums.net is up for me
[06:40] <ironfroggy> the_hammer: then why are you here?
[06:40] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: security doesnt
[06:40] <the_hammer> to visit
[06:40] <hub> Sarnuial: because it is not hosted by ubuntu
[06:40] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: It just did for me about 2 minutes ago :P
[06:41] <gnomefreak> notice the errors when you apt-get update ;)
[06:41] <Sarnuial> oh yeah...
[06:41] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: im gonna try mine real fast
[06:41] <abattoir> raziel__: done ?
[06:41] <gnomefreak> still down
[06:41] <edisav> guys, since yesterday I haven't been able to connect to ubuntu's or kubuntu's websites. Is anyone having the same problem?
[06:41] <raziel__> well, more or less, it just gave me the same error as before
[06:41] <abattoir> edisav: yes, they are done
[06:41] <edisav> what do you mean?
[06:41] <gnomefreak> edisav: everyone is please read the topic
[06:41] <abattoir> down, sorry
[06:42] <ironfroggy> that scared me. i thought by "they are done" you meant the projects just shut down!
[06:42] <abattoir> raziel__: when doing update/dist-upgrade?
[06:42] <raziel__> yep
[06:42] <abattoir> ironfroggy: hehe, my mistake
[06:42] <the_hammer> lol
[06:42] <ironfroggy> this sucks
[06:43] <ironfroggy> i just freshly installed on two boxes and a laptop and im stuck with almost 0 software.
[06:43] <the_hammer> that would suck frog
[06:43] <Ragol> so, is there any mirrors I could use when the ubuntu-servers are down?
[06:43] <yanis> is ubuntu.com offline?
[06:43] <Sarnuial> the_hammer: sorry 2 go off-topic but r u "Ockham's Hammer" other places?
[06:44] <Ragol> I'm probably going to reinstall my kubuntu 6.06 because I have no clue why sound stopped working
[06:44] <the_hammer> nope
[06:44] <abattoir> raziel__: update worked for you?
[06:44] <Sarnuial> the_hammer: ok
[06:45] <the_hammer> im normally on undernet but taken a break from there for a bit Sarnuial
[06:45] <the_hammer> my nick is also slightly different to its like this cuz to many ppl complained how it orginaly is
[06:45] <raziel__> hmm, well, now that you mention it, there was something about nerim.net but if you're refering to the ubuntu security stuff, well, I guess my friend disabled them in the sources list
[06:46] <the_hammer> nice friend
[06:46] <Sarnuial> Ragol: just Google "kubuntu mirror", there are plenty
[06:46] <abattoir> raziel__: nerim.net? you added external repos? or is it a mirror?
[06:46] <abattoir> *or your friend rather
[06:46] <secleinteer> is there any reason to change the repos? like security updates? or can i just wait?
[06:47] <raziel__> I'm not realy sure....well, I'm only sure neither of us added it
[06:47] <raziel__> ok, maybe he did
[06:47] <abattoir> raziel__: nerim.net? doesnt sound like something that'd be added by default...
[06:47] <abattoir> raziel__: could you try reverting to a fresh sources.list and try the dist-upgrade?
[06:48] <raziel__> reverting to a fresh one? sure, how?
[06:48] <abattoir> !source-o-matic
[06:48] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:48] <Lynoure> nerim.net is Marillat's, iirc. Not a default thing. mplayer & dvd related stuff, I think.
[06:48] <abattoir> raziel__: ^^^^^
[06:48] <raziel__> yeah, I know, I'm no use at this
[06:49] <abattoir> Lynoure: so it wouldnt give you libc6/tzdata stuff?
[06:49] <theresa> hello!
[06:49] <Lynoure> abattoir: I really don't know. Been a year since I had it there, I was on debian then
[06:49] <abattoir> raziel__: anyway, i guess almost all ubuntu mirrors are down... so you'd have to wait a bit to get the package list....
[06:50] <kbrooks> abattoir: not all of them
[06:50] <abattoir> Lynoure: oh, its a debian repo...
[06:50] <GG_Allin> has anyone managed to get the intel pro wireless 3945 card to work in kubuntu?  mine doesn't seem to get an IP address from my DHCP server, even though I enabled DHCP, etc.
[06:50] <kbrooks> *********** nl.archive.ubuntu.com works *****************
[06:50] <abattoir> kbrooks: know which one is up?
[06:50] <abattoir> kbrooks: ok, thanks
[06:50] <Lynoure> abattoir: was, at least. That might have changed, too. Year is a long time
[06:51] <paco> hi all
[06:51] <abattoir> raziel__: you could try entering the country code as nl in source-o-matic
[06:51] <paco> is ubuntu.com unavailable?
[06:51] <abattoir> paco: yes, see the topic
[06:51] <theresa> paco: nope, same here...it's terrible slow
[06:51] <MilhousePunkRock> GG_Allin: That might be a bug with DHCP
[06:51] <Tommy2k4> time for reinstall wish me luck
[06:52] <paco> ok thanks
[06:52] <MilhousePunkRock> GG_Allin: Does it find your wireless LAN?
[06:52] <raziel__> hmm
[06:52] <GG_Allin> MilhousePunkRock:  yeah, 'iwlist scan' shows my access point.  but when I try to connect to it and get an IP address it never gets one
[06:53] <theresa> I'm thinking about writing my bachelor assignment about Open Source software tools (based on Kubuntu and KDE) could you suggest me some good literature to do base my research on?
[06:53] <MilhousePunkRock> try adding something to your /network/interfaces
[06:53] <MilhousePunkRock> GG_Allin: I'll look it up, one moment
[06:53] <GG_Allin> ok
[06:54] <apokryphos> theresa: just writing about it?
[06:54] <apokryphos> how it functions, how it works?
[06:54] <GG_Allin> my access point and my router are two separate units.  the router handles DHCP, and the access point forwards all traffic to the router
[06:55] <apokryphos> theresa: kde.org has a lot of info about those things. As for Kubuntu, well, you'd have to  be part of the community to really feel it 8)
[06:55] <MilhousePunkRock> pre-up sleep 5
[06:55] <theresa> yep, and doing some "testing" and comparing it to licensed tools (based on windows machines,etc..) actually i want to focus on multimedia tools, gimp, kino, mplayer, etc...
[06:55] <MilhousePunkRock> to the bottom of the section of your WLAN card in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:55] <theresa> apokryphos: thank you, i'll have a look ;)
[06:56] <raziel__> well, I guess now I have to wait until the mirrors are up again
[06:57] <paco> thanks, bye
[06:57] <GG_Allin> when I run 'sudo dhclient eth1' the interface sends a DHCP Discover to 255.255.255.0  over and over but it never gets and IP
[06:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Added that, GG_Allin?
[06:57] <GG_Allin> yeah
[06:58] <MilhousePunkRock> You need to do "sudo ifdow eth0 && sudo ifup eth0" for it to take effect
[06:58] <raziel__> thanks for all the help, I guess I have to go now
[06:58] <MilhousePunkRock> ifdwown*
[06:58] <Search4Lancer> here's a question: How do I fix tags on MP3 files? Apparently amaroK only pretends to change them when you change them in amaroK
[06:58] <GG_Allin> still doesn't seem to work
[06:59] <MilhousePunkRock> try mp3tagger, Search4Lancer
[06:59] <cpk2|away> GG_Allin: does your router broadcast itself?
[06:59] <GG_Allin> isn't the network card supposed to do that
[06:59] <cpk2|away> GG_Allin: you trying to do wireless?
[06:59] <GG_Allin> yeah
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> eth0 is might not be the right device
[07:00] <GG_Allin> I have an Intel 3945 mini-PCI card in my laptop
[07:00] <GG_Allin> it is eth1
[07:00] <Search4Lancer> MilhousePunkRock: where do I get that? I've got every and any depository working, and it isn't listed
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Aren't the servers currently down?
[07:00] <cpk2> GG_Allin: your router might be setup to not broadcast itself as well so i dont think dhclient will get anything if your router isnt broadcasting
[07:01] <GG_Allin> sometimes I can see the laptop's MAC address show up in my access point's log.  but for some reason my router won't give it an IP
[07:01] <GG_Allin> everything else on my LAN can get an IP, but not the laptop when it's in kubuntu
[07:02] <MilhousePunkRock> Search4Lancer: Google is always handy... I used to have it, but I think I deleted it
[07:02] <GG_Allin> and I tried turning off the DHCP server in the router and activating the DHCP server in my Access Point, but the same thing happens
[07:02] <Search4Lancer> :-P
[07:03] <cpk2> GG_Allin: you try editing the network file yourself?
[07:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Search4Lancer: http://ostermiller.org/mp3tagger/
[07:03] <GG_Allin> just to what MilhousePunkRock told me change
[07:03] <cpk2> its in /etc/network
[07:03] <GG_Allin> yeah
[07:04] <MilhousePunkRock> You mentioned eth0, GG_Allin. Are you sure that is the name of your wireless card?
[07:04] <MilhousePunkRock> Shouldn't it be wlan0 or ath0 ??
[07:05] <GG_Allin> no, my wireless card is eth1.   my ethernet card is eth0
[07:06] <MilhousePunkRock> did you do "sudo ifdown eth1 && sudo ifup eth1"?
[07:06] <cpk2> so the network file has iface as eth1?
[07:06] <cpk2> for the wireless section
[07:07] <GG_Allin> yeah
[07:07] <the_hammer> cpk2 when ya have a moment can ya msg me?
[07:07] <GG_Allin> yeah, I took the card down and back up again
[07:08] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, than I can't help you any further, sorry... What I told you did the job for me
[07:10] <GG_Allin> thanks anyways
[07:10] <viggo_> will kubuntu.org get back online soon? Anyone who knows?
[07:10] <GG_Allin> how do I associate it with my AP?   sudo iwconfig eth1 essid Boozin_and_Pranks_11g  ??
[07:11] <MilhousePunkRock> Nice name btw...
[07:11] <GG_Allin> :-)
[07:11] <secleinteer> wait
[07:11] <secleinteer> ubuntu servers ar down
[07:12] <z00m> how do i install a .deb package
[07:12] <viggo_> security.ubuntu.com is not responding :-(
[07:13] <z00m> from terminal
[07:14] <secleinteer> yes we all know it's not working
[07:15] <viggo_> ok, that's what I was asking about. Will have to do this later then :-) bye bye
[07:17] <voicu> in order to play mpeg files do I need any other packages not in the repositories?
[07:17] <secleinteer> just get vlc or mplayer
[07:18] <secleinteer> does any1 know how to set gaim as the default IM app when it doesn't show up on the list under KDE components?
[07:21] <GG_Allin> is there something I'm forgetting?   lsmod shows that the ieee80211 subsystem is running, and the ipw3945 module is running.  and the ipw3945 daemon is running
[07:22] <farous> secleinteer: are you sure gaim is installed
[07:22] <thompa> repos are down right?
[07:22] <wolfmanz> yup
[07:22] <thompa> thanks
[07:22] <wolfmanz> didnt think it would still be down i wonder whats taking so long
[07:22] <thompa> i had problems yesterday already
[07:24] <thompa> im wondering my screen seems to sort of jump a little occasionaly, it does it both in linux and windows?
[07:24] <secleinteer> farous: yes it's installed
[07:25] <secleinteer> i originally had ubuntu, then added the kubuntu-desktop package, so it's there by default
[07:25] <UKF^vortex> hi
[07:25] <UKF^vortex> is there any way to change kde to gnome ?
[07:25] <UKF^vortex> I have kubuntu
[07:25] <dr_willis> thompa,  this on a CRT or LCD monitor?
[07:26] <Hawkwind> UKF^vortex: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:26] <Hawkwind> UKF^vortex: Then once you get back to the GUI login, just select Gnome
[07:26] <thompa> lcd, its a new system with amd 64 duo core
[07:27] <thompa> dr_willis: i formatted the drive, could it be that i need some chipset drivers or something?
[07:27] <dr_willis> thompa,  if its doing it under both os's - id almost bet its a cable/montor issue.
[07:28] <dr_willis> thompa,  this a dvi or vga cable/input?
[07:28] <thompa> dr_willis: its  a standard serial looking cable i guess
[07:29] <UKF^vortex> what is better ? kde or gnome ?
[07:29] <thompa> dr_willis: the thing is that HP puts all their drivers on a restore partition which i deleted, the chipset drivers are only availbale from the restore
[07:29] <v3ctor> better for what?
[07:29] <UKF^vortex> visually
[07:29] <wolfmanz> kde
[07:30] <Ace2005> Hi all, any new info on the reason for the servers being down?
[07:30] <dr_willis> thompa,  i imagine theres web sites the got them..  they cant be that weird.. but still if they were THAT odd.. ya wouldent think there would be Linux drivers then eh.
[07:30] <jim__> does anyone know of a program to convert .flv files to .avi format for viewing?
[07:30] <dr_willis> thompa,  perhaps research what the motherboard is.. it sounds to me like its a Monitor/cable issue.
[07:31] <Ace2005> jim__: did you google search that? i know its on google because i did it
[07:31] <jim__> checked on google and the only thing i found was windows based
[07:31] <thompa> dr_willis: ok, the motherboard was made by asus for HP, no drivers avaiable on either site, they said i need the restore disks.
[07:32] <secleinteer> you could wine it
[07:32] <dr_willis> thompa,  i imagine theres a driverguide site that proberly has them.. or some torrent/archive sites that have the isos
[07:32] <secleinteer> also, there's flv player
[07:33] <thompa> dr_willis: the problem happens about evey 30 seconds or so if a window is open , i get a little jump in the screen
[07:33] <jim__> is the application called flv player
[07:33] <Ace2005> jim__: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=convert+flv+to+avi+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[07:33] <dr_willis> thompa,  shounds like it could be a videocard/interfearance on the mb. issue as well.
[07:33] <secleinteer> yeah flv player
[07:33] <secleinteer> if it's win only, just wine it
[07:34] <secleinteer> or you could try mplayer
[07:34] <thompa> dr_willis: thanks ill look, but is it possible to wipe out motherboard drivers by formatting the hard drive?
[07:34] <dr_willis> thompa,  i doubt it.
[07:34] <Ace2005> secleinteer: You can do that but you can't use the mouse wheel to go ahead or go back
[07:34] <dr_willis> thompa,  they proberly got drivers somewhere, and are using some oddball chipset.. but  they all got designed by someone.
[07:34] <secleinteer> lol i didn't even know that you could do that w/ the mouse wheel
[07:35] <secleinteer> never tried the mouse wheel thing on xp
[07:35] <secleinteer> i'll do it now :-)
[07:35] <secleinteer> ok....it doesn't work on win either lol
[07:35] <thompa> dr_willis: ok, but its strange if i need drivers from windows it seems, bios i can understand, but will mobo drivers installed in windows affect linux?
[07:36] <Ace2005> secleinteer: mplayer will play but not go forwards or backwards so avi files are nicer
[07:36] <thompa> dr_willis: thanks again for your help
[07:36] <secleinteer> i have flv's just because i ripped them from youtube
[07:36] <secleinteer> but yeah, avi's are better
[07:36] <secleinteer> and mplayer can go forward and backwards if you get a gui
[07:37] <Ace2005> secleinteer: i got them from youtube too
[07:37] <secleinteer> well try getting mplayer + gui
[07:37] <secleinteer> btw did you see those clips of jon stewart about net neutrality? they're on youtube
[07:38] <Ace2005> secleinteer: thats what i'm using, mplayer still won't allow changing the position while playing
[07:38] <secleinteer> damn
[07:38] <Ace2005> nope but i'll check it out
[07:39] <secleinteer> lol flv's are the only non proprietary formatted files that i've found that vlc can't play
[07:40] <Ace2005> Oh wait i don't have flash or the script that grabs the flv files yet,
[07:40] <secleinteer> just get the videodownloader extension
[07:40] <Ace2005> the extensions don't work, i'm using beta 2 from cvs
[07:41] <secleinteer> the videodownloader extension doesn't work?
[07:41] <Ace2005> most of them don't
[07:41] <Ace2005> I'm installing nightly tester tools to force the extensions to work
[07:41] <secleinteer> is this: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/ what you've been using?
[07:42] <secleinteer> videodownloader has always worked for me
[07:42] <secleinteer> youtube, google vids, etc.
[07:43] <Ace2005> i mean since i'm using beta 2, the extensions won't install, they fail the compatibility test so i'm having to force install the extension
[07:43] <secleinteer> oh ok
[07:43] <secleinteer> i get it
[07:43] <secleinteer> is there any reason you're on beta 2?
[07:43] <secleinteer> there is a way around it actually
[07:43] <GG_Allin1> and it appears to have got an IP address from my router (192.168.0.5), however I still can't ping anything on the network.  and my router's Attached Devices list isn't showing the laptop's hostname.   my laptop's wireless card just seems to be receiving packets but not sending anything
[07:44] <secleinteer> install portable bon echo
[07:44] <secleinteer> then you can keep 1.5.0.4
[07:44] <Ace2005> that would make more sense
[07:44] <Ace2005> i just wanted to see how long it would take CVS of firefox to compile
[07:45] <secleinteer> CVS?
[07:45] <Ace2005> yea i pulled it from cvs and compiled it myself
[07:46] <secleinteer> oh yeah, that musta been a pain
[07:46] <secleinteer> i only tried it on win
[07:46] <secleinteer> and they obviously have an exe for that
[07:46] <Ace2005> it was easy, i just followed the text
[07:46] <secleinteer> i just hate compiling because half the time it doesnt work and i have to go hunting for the solution
[07:47] <Ace2005> compiling is ok just have to have a lot of dev packages and patience
[07:48] <secleinteer> kynaptic works for me :-)
[07:48] <secleinteer> though sometimes i have had to compile, it just requires extensive use of the forums
[07:48] <secleinteer> :-)
[07:48] <jim__> does anyone know why 82.211.81.151 is down?
[07:49] <dr_willis> the us servers are having some issues it seems - i hear
[07:49] <secleinteer> and uk, i think
[07:49] <thompa> im lucky to have power here and comcast goes down daily
[07:53] <Ace2005> That video is funny, and alarming
[07:53] <secleinteer> the jon stewart vid?
[07:53] <secleinteer> there's two of em, btw
[07:53] <Ace2005> ok let me go find the other one
[07:54] <secleinteer> did you see the one with john hodgman?
[07:54] <secleinteer> or the one with the gambling?
[07:55] <thompa> comedycentral web site has all the john hodgman videos i think
[07:55] <Ace2005> i saw the one with the screen saver and the tubes
[07:56] <secleinteer> ok then just a sec
[07:56] <secleinteer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YedWtX9tKE
[07:57] <coachJ> do we know WHY the servers are down?
[07:57] <secleinteer> no one knows
[07:57] <draik> secleinteer:I just saw the video of John Stewart's Net... The one that shows teh 3d pipes screen saver is funny... with the horse races going fast through the tube because horses have legs to run faster on the net... LOL
[07:57] <secleinteer> just be patient
[07:57] <secleinteer> yeah lol
[07:57] <secleinteer> check out the link above
[07:57] <secleinteer> it's the 2nd vid
[07:57] <Ace2005> draik: thats the one i saw
[07:58] <draik> I choked on my own laughter
[07:58] <secleinteer> the daily show is great
[07:58] <draik> Ace2005:Isn't the video just funny???
[07:58] <Ace2005> yea it is
[07:59] <ubuntu__> how do i run a program without it being closed when i close the terminal session ?
[07:59] <Ace2005> i was sort of wondering how he got the job
[07:59] <secleinteer> http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/what_steve_jobs_is_like_in_a_meeting.php
[07:59] <ubuntu__> yet launch it via ssh
[07:59] <draik> LOL... People cannot mastur.... to a dump truck... LOL
[07:59] <Ace2005> Alt + F2 then type the command
[07:59] <ubuntu__> via ssh ?
[07:59] <Ace2005> right click on the desktop and select run and type the name
[07:59] <Ace2005> or just use the start menu to run it
[08:00] <ubuntu__> but via ssh
[08:00] <secleinteer> does any1 know how i can change the konsole keyboard shortcuts?
[08:01] <ubuntu__> ssh is text based
[08:02] <Jack12> can someon help how to set up a second pop account in kmail?
[08:02] <Jack12> i get currently the mistake:
[08:02] <Jack12> the server did not accept the sender address. sender address does not belong to logged in user
[08:04] <ubuntu__> also does konversation log irc chats?
[08:04] <secleinteer> yeah
[08:04] <secleinteer> i'm pretty sure
[08:04] <ubuntu__> yeh
[08:04] <secleinteer> it's on by default
[08:04] <ubuntu__> just found it :)
[08:05] <ubuntu__> ty
[08:05] <user-land> i have problems with the encoding of text in kate. where can i change it to UTF-8 ?
[08:06] <secleinteer> tools -> encoding
[08:07] <Jack12> hi how can i get an application to autostart with kde?
[08:07] <PsyBan-> with what program do i get icons on KDE desktop?
[08:08] <PsyBan-> whats KDE:s icon manager :[
[08:08] <apokryphos> what do you mean?
[08:08] <apokryphos> it's in system settings
[08:08] <PsyBan-> no its not
[08:08] <Jack12> via dragging the icon to the autostart folder?
[08:08] <apokryphos> (as most KDE settings)
[08:08] <apokryphos> yes, it is
[08:08] <user-land> oh, thank you secleinteer. looks like it is UTF-8 and can not handle western europe encoding ...
[08:08] <PsyBan-> whats KDE:s icon manager?
[08:08] <ubuntu__> !ssh
[08:08] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[08:08] <apokryphos> it's in system settings
[08:08] <PsyBan-> no its not
[08:08] <PsyBan-> i cannot make any icons
[08:08] <apokryphos> you didn't say *make* icons
[08:09] <secleinteer>  do u mean shortcuts
[08:09] <secleinteer> ?
[08:09] <PsyBan-> yes
[08:09] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: are you trying to make icons or alter your icon theme?
[08:09] <ironfroggy> anyone here use samba/cifs client on the linux end?
[08:09] <PsyBan-> im trying to make shortcut icons
[08:09] <secleinteer> right click on file and maybe you can make them
[08:09] <PsyBan-> on my desktop
[08:09] <PsyBan-> no i cant
[08:09] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: err, so you're trying to make shortcuts
[08:09] <apokryphos> not icons
[08:09] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: right-click -> create new -> link to location
[08:09] <pieter_> hello
[08:09] <PsyBan-> im trying to make shortcut icons on my desktop
[08:09] <PsyBan-> apokryphos, there isnt CREAT NEW
[08:09] <PsyBan-> there only is log out
[08:10] <PsyBan-> and some other stupid stuff
[08:10] <PsyBan-> thats it
[08:10] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: can you post a screenshot?
[08:10] <PsyBan-> i need icon manager
[08:10] <apokryphos> no you don't
[08:10] <PsyBan-> yes i do
[08:10] <PsyBan-> and i dont wanna used idesk
[08:10] <apokryphos> I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.
[08:10] <PsyBan-> its too pain in the ass
[08:10] <pieter_> does anyone know if ubuntu servers are offline? I can't get to the website or repositories ...
[08:10] <apokryphos> such a thing surely wouldn't be called an "icon manager"
[08:10] <Ademan> hey, does anyone have any idea what some light weight and fast desktop environments are? i've got an old 300 mhz computer i want to bring back from the dead, and even xfce seems to be too much for it
[08:10] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: please watch your language
[08:10] <secleinteer> right click on the exec file
[08:11] <PsyBan-> now would someone please tell me the name of KDE:S icon manager
[08:11] <PsyBan-> so i can make some kewl icons
[08:11] <gatekeeper> pieter_: yes try au,
[08:11] <apokryphos> gawd...
[08:11] <draik> Ademan:I think DSL has a lite version. Not positive
[08:11] <secleinteer> omg, there is no icon manager
[08:11] <PsyBan-> well desktop manager
[08:11] <PsyBan-> what ever
[08:11] <ubuntu__> is there a way to include your password into your ssh command?
[08:11] <PsyBan-> just need the damn icons
[08:11] <apokryphos> again, you don't know what you're talking about
[08:11] <pieter_> thanks
[08:11] <apokryphos> and it's not icons you want, it's shortcuts
[08:11] <secleinteer> if you want to make an icon, go to /usr/lib/firefox for ex.
[08:12] <gatekeeper> pieter_: yw :-)
[08:12] <PsyBan-> icons on my desktop
[08:12] <secleinteer> and right click on the exec and make a link by dragging to desktop and choosign make laink here
[08:12] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: please post a screendump of your right-click
[08:12] <apokryphos> I find it very hard to believe that there's no "create new"
[08:12] <PsyBan-> WELL OK
[08:12] <PsyBan-> ill post
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> Ademan: blackbox or fluxbox
[08:13] <apokryphos> ubuntu__: no, the passwordless way to login with ssh is to use ssh keys
[08:13] <Ademan> i forgot, did fluxbox come from blackbox? or the other way around?
[08:13] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: you can use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org for it
[08:13] <ubuntu__> ok
[08:13] <ubuntu__> ill keep the password way then
[08:13] <apokryphos> ubuntu__: ssh keys aren't hard to set up though, I've got a decent/easy howto if you want it
[08:16] <PsyBan-> apokryphos, http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9035/kdesuxfc3.jpg
[08:16] <PsyBan-> there you go
[08:17] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: in a terminal, if you type touch ~/Desktop/test  what do you get?
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> Ademan: blackbox is oldest
[08:17] <PsyBan-> apokryphos, a broken file?
[08:18] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: what?
[08:18] <apokryphos> what's the output of that command?
[08:18] <PsyBan-> im sure that will brake something
[08:18] <PsyBan-> it was command for modifying timestamps
[08:18] <apokryphos> then you're quite wrong
[08:18] <PsyBan-> doesnt sound so good to modify
[08:18] <apokryphos> to modify what?
[08:18] <PsyBan-> the command does not do anything
[08:18] <PsyBan-> no output
[08:19] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: hm, ok, so you do seem to have permission to write there
[08:19] <PsyBan-> yes...
[08:19] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: if you open Konqueror, and go to your home, and right-click there, do you get "create new"?
[08:19] <intelikey> what would be the *buntu way of streaching an ext3 file system ?
[08:20] <PsyBan-> apokryphos, yes..
[08:21] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: very weird, I don't know why that's happening
[08:21] <secleinteer> http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4154/shortcutrl6.jpg
[08:21] <apokryphos> though presumably you could make all shortcuts there and then drag to Desktop
[08:21] <secleinteer> very easy way to it linked above
[08:21] <PsyBan-> no
[08:21] <PsyBan-> i cannot
[08:21] <PsyBan-> it wont let me drag it there
[08:21] <apokryphos> what does it say?
[08:21] <PsyBan-> well i could start nautilus manager
[08:21] <PsyBan-> but thats desktop manager for gnome
[08:22] <PsyBan-> wonder what KDE uses
[08:22] <apokryphos> what does it say when you try to drag it there?
[08:22] <PsyBan-> ...
[08:22] <secleinteer> it should have the option "link here"
[08:22] <apokryphos> Konqueror's File Manager, Web Browser etc is Konqueror
[08:22] <PsyBan-> it does not speak
[08:22] <secleinteer> now you're being a pain, psy
[08:22] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: then it's probably there but not showing. What happens if you alt+f2 -> konqueror ~/Desktop
[08:22] <apokryphos> does it appear there?
[08:22] <PsyBan-> apokryphos, appear what
[08:23] <apokryphos> the shortcut you tried to make
[08:23] <PsyBan-> i didnt make any shortcuts
[08:23] <apokryphos> if you did what I said before then you would've been
[08:23] <secleinteer> omg psyban: http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4154/shortcutrl6.jpg
[08:23] <apokryphos> check secleinteer's example
[08:23] <PsyBan-> stupid kubuntu-deskto
[08:23] <PsyBan-> the packet didnt have desktopmanager
[08:24] <apokryphos> whatt?
[08:24] <apokryphos> PsyBan-: and also, please don't troll in here.
[08:24] <OOD> anyone know what's up with the ubuntu servers?
[08:24] <apokryphos> OOD: /topic
[08:24] <secleinteer> check the topic goddamn it
[08:24] <secleinteer> this is starting to get annoying
[08:24] <OOD> ah i see it, nvm :D
[08:26] <Hawkwind> secleinteer: What theme are you using in konqueror ?
[08:26] <OOD> that's plasik isn't it?
[08:27] <secleinteer> lemme check
[08:27] <apokryphos> window decoration is plastik
[08:27] <Hawkwind> secleinteer: Or better yet, what icon theme ?  I really like the layout of those folder icons
[08:27] <apokryphos> style looks like lipstik
[08:27] <secleinteer> hold on lol
[08:28] <secleinteer> it's redmond xp
[08:28] <apokryphos> icon theme is nuoveXT I believe
[08:28] <secleinteer> and widget style is plastik
[08:28] <secleinteer> i'm also using a windows xp font collection
[08:29] <apokryphos> ah, plastik and lipstik always get me; quite similar
[08:29] <secleinteer> icon theme is vista, i think
[08:29] <secleinteer> or something like that
[08:29] <apokryphos> vista-inspirate
[08:29] <apokryphos> ah
[08:29] <secleinteer> yeah that's it
[08:30] <apokryphos> dang, I must be getting rusty
[08:30] <secleinteer> anyway g2g
[08:30] <secleinteer> will be idling
[08:30] <Hawkwind> Can that icon theme be found on kde-look.org ?
[08:31] <z00m> has that icon set also, is there away to change you taskbar at the bottom
[08:31] <gatekeeper> !mirrors
[08:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[08:31] <z00m> !pastbin
[08:31] <ubotu> I know nothing about pastbin - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:31] <intelikey> e
[08:31] <z00m> !pastebin
[08:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:31] <z00m> :P
[08:32] <johan__> Hello, I just installed Kubuntu 6.06 But i can't find drivers for my printer a canon pixma IP2200. Can someone help me find those drivers?
[08:32] <z00m> is ubuntus repositories down ?
[08:32] <apokryphos> z00m: /topic
[08:33] <eva_> how long are they down?
[08:33] <z00m> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18704
[08:33] <tommy> note to self: dont try and install ubuntu while repos are down
[08:34] <z00m> thats my layout, i want to change my taskbar at the bottom the way it looks
[08:34] <apokryphos> eva_: /topic
[08:34] <gatekeeper> z00m: yes, only ones I know that are working are au.
[08:34] <OOD> zoom: right click on it->Configure Panel
[08:34] <z00m> gatekeeper: hows it going ;)
[08:34] <eva_> apokryphos, I see but I don't know since when are they down
[08:35] <intelikey> why are 'many ubuntu services' down ?
[08:35] <z00m> OOD: done that to make it transparent
[08:35] <gatekeeper> z00m: ok thanx and with you?
[08:35] <z00m> yeah im ok, im just trying to get my head around overflows on a 64bit CPU :/
[08:36] <apokryphos> intelikey: because they main server is down, it seems. No-one I've seen knows why just yet.
[08:36] <gatekeeper> z00m: you got problems with that?
[08:37] <intelikey> hmmm
[08:37] <joe_attaboy> Their servers have apparently been down since late last night/early this AM. (I'm on the US East coast.
[08:37] <z00m> gatekeeper: yes my amd cpu has overflow protection on it
[08:38] <joe_attaboy> I was trying to download a couple of thins from the repositories and they weren't responding.
[08:38] <joe_attaboy> things
[08:38] <gatekeeper> z00m: :-)
[08:38] <z00m> the processor make memory read only, if it detects an overflow
[08:38] <z00m> :/
[08:38] <z00m> its safer but a pain when you are trying to learn about them, if your computer will not allow it to happen :D
[08:38] <intelikey> joe_attaboy the su.ubunut was down from early yesterday evening   nl. was up until after 8:00 gmt
[08:39] <OOD> all recent cpus have that
[08:39] <intelikey> err us.
[08:39] <joe_attaboy> 8:00 AM?
[08:39] <intelikey> yes 20:00 would be pm
[08:39] <joe_attaboy> heh
[08:39] <z00m> OOD: the amd64 has it and there is something called NX that is for the 32bit cpu's it like the DEP in windows XP service pack 2
[08:40] <gatekeeper> z00m: so what are you doing to cause it to overflow?
[08:40] <z00m> amd64 cpu has it built into it
[08:40] <joe_attaboy> oh, yeah...you'd think 21 years working for the military would make me remember that ;-)
[08:40] <OOD> z00m: NX and DEP are the exact same thing
[08:40] <intelikey> one would think.
[08:40] <OOD> just different names
[08:41] <thrice`> anyone have a working mirror I can grab kubuntu64 from?
[08:41] <z00m> OOD: i read that microsoft was going to use NX on there systems because its better than DEP, not sure though i might have rememberd wrong
[08:41] <z00m> let me look it up
[08:41] <joe_attaboy> I tried the us mirrors from about midnight EDT (0400 gmt) until about 2 AM. Nothing. Been trying since I got back from church this AM.
[08:41] <apokryphos> thrice`: http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[08:41] <OOD> it's the exact same thing, and all a64 cpus have that, and any recent P4 and above Intel cpus have it
[08:42] <intelikey> joe_attaboy sorry for not using 'propper' notation  i should have said 08:00  my bad.
[08:42] <thrice`> ok...how stupid is this
[08:42] <Tommy2k4> Hawkwind: i reinstalled kubuntu and im still getting that broken higlight :(
[08:42] <thrice`> best buy woint' touch my laptop until I have windows-  however, they did NOT give me a windows disc to come with it
[08:42] <thrice`> I payed for a f'n windows lisence, but they can't include a CD to install it with?
[08:43] <z00m> NX stands for No eXecute. Generically, it is a technology used in CPUs to segregate areas of memory for use by either storage of processor instructions (aka code) or for storage of data. Any section of memory designated with NX attribute means it's only for use by data, therefore processor instructions cannot and should not reside there. It is a popular technique used to prevent certain types of malicious software from taking o
[08:43] <z00m> s data storage area and running their own code from within this section; this is known as a buffer overflow attack, and NX can prevent it in many
[08:43] <z00m> your right ;)
[08:44] <thrice`> apokryphos, anything...quicker?  that is going at 8 k/s :(
[08:44] <apokryphos> thrice`: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:c5cTOW7xvvMJ:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive+&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8
[08:44] <z00m> well its different on the 64bit cpu there are 8 bytes not for on EBP
[08:45] <z00m> and its called RBP
[08:45] <z00m> EIP is called RIP
[08:45] <samo> erm does anyone have an eta when the "supositories" I mean repositories will be back?
[08:45] <z00m>  8 bytes not 4 bytes on the 64 bit cpu
[08:45] <apokryphos> samo: no
[08:46] <intelikey> z00m hmmm one would think they would have used  !X ...
[08:46] <z00m> :P
[08:46] <samo> apokryphos do you know if there's an active mirror that I can use instead of the *.ubuntu ones
[08:47] <apokryphos> samo: I recommend just being patient
[08:47] <Tib> abattoir: hello
[08:47] <||Trayer||> !Ati
[08:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:48] <||Trayer||> is the help site still down...?
[08:48] <samo> I would if I had frozen bubble installed :(
[08:48] <narasim_7> hello
[08:48] <||Trayer||> Augh! Stupid wiki and it's beign down-ness
[08:48] <z00m> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[08:48] <z00m> 0x0000414141414141 in ?? ()
[08:48] <apokryphos> ||Trayer||: Please read the /topic
[08:48] <intelikey> samo nl. is up.
[08:48] <z00m> you can't push anymore than 6 bytes into it
[08:49] <intelikey> is us. the only server affected ?
[08:49] <narasim_7> if i do a dist-upgrade will my kernel get updated..
[08:49] <samo> intelikey you mean nl.ubuntu.com?
[08:49] <Tib> is it normal that i have almost nothing on my install?
[08:49] <intelikey> samo yes
[08:50] <samo> thx man
[08:50] <Tib> i don't have gcc and I don't even have make!
[08:50] <apokryphos> Tib: /msg ubotu compile
[08:51] <Tib> ubotu: ?
[08:51] <ubotu> I know nothing about ? - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:51] <intelikey> tib  not having gcc constitutes 'almost nothing installed'  ?
[08:51] <apokryphos> !compiling
[08:51] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:52] <Tib> intelikey: well, if i don't have it, i can almost build nothing
[08:52] <intelikey> Tib why build anything ?
[08:52] <samo> I think you need to "apt-get install build-essentials"
[08:52] <kbrooks> ||Trayer||: You said "it's beign down-ness" - don't you mean malignant
[08:53] <intelikey> do you just like compiling things, or are you a "code monkey" aka developer ?
[08:53] <samo> (when the servers are back up)
[08:53] <Tib> intelikey: this is the way linux works, and on powerpc not everything is already build
[08:53] <kbrooks> Tib: linux distros dont work that way
[08:53] <Tib> kbrooks: so how does it works?
[08:53] <kbrooks> tib: they use a packaging system
[08:54] <intelikey> Tib !repos
[08:54] <z00m> Tib: get build-tools
[08:54] <kbrooks> tib: i'm taling about linux distributions such as Debian or Ubuntu
[08:54] <intelikey>  build-essential
[08:54] <OOD> kbrooks: he has a powerpc, there aren't a lot of precompiled packages for powerpc
[08:54] <z00m> intelikey: yes that right :)
[08:55] <intelikey> !repos > Tib
[08:57] <intelikey>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:  <-- that's on the down'd server.
[08:57] <Tommy> kubuntu still crashing after reinstall :(
[08:57] <kbrooks> Tommy: eh?
[08:57] <Tommy> it doesnt like my pc
[08:58] <Tommy> randomly my monitor shows lots of multicolored vertical lines then gives the error frequency out of range 31khz/0hz
[08:59] <Tib> hello
[08:59] <Tib> i had a crash
[08:59] <intelikey> Tommy hehhe kool  :)
[08:59] <Tib> i'm sorry
[08:59] <Tommy> not really :(
[08:59] <intelikey> !repos > Tib
[09:00] <intelikey> Tommy yeah i know.    you are not using frame buffering  by any chance are you ?
[09:00] <kbrooks> intelikey: he doesnt know!
[09:00] <Tommy> not unless its enabled by default, i just installed 5mins ago
[09:00] <Tommy> well, 10mins
[09:00] <kbrooks> intelikey: dont givve him that s***
[09:00] <Tommy> and its already crashed once so far
[09:02] <intelikey> kbrooks i don't know how he set it up.   but some times using frame buffering is a useful work around for vidio problems
[09:02] <Tommy> how do i enable it
[09:03] <kbrooks> Tommy: open a terminal.
[09:03] <Tommy> next
[09:03] <kbrooks> at the $ prompt, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" without the quotes.  press enter.
[09:04] <Tommy> done that many times i dont remember a frame buffer option o_o
[09:04] <kbrooks> type YOUR password at the "Password: " prompt and press enter.
[09:04] <kbrooks> Tommy: vesa
[09:04] <kbrooks> Tommy: you want that
[09:04] <eric__> I'm a kubuntu newbie - linux newbie, in fact and I could use some guidance getting gnash to work.
[09:04] <eric__> I downloaded the source code from the gnu/gnash site and have tried ./configure.
[09:04] <samo> omg nl works, long live netherlands!!!!
[09:05] <eric__> It looks like it's trying to find a compiler and I don't have one.
[09:05] <eric__> Does kubuntu not come with a compiler?
[09:05] <Tommy> should i specificy amount of video ram
[09:05] <Tommy> im using integrated i810
[09:05] <OOD> eric_: no it doesn't
[09:05] <intelikey> samo yeah but for updates  the server that security.ubuntu hits is still down for me....
[09:06] <eric__> OOD: For a basic newb like myself, is there one compiler I should use?
[09:06] <unstablesob> what installes support for /dev/sequencer?
[09:06] <intelikey> not usre if one can specify which server to hit for security
[09:06] <OOD> eric_: to compile you can download the build-essential package, but the servers are down now
[09:06] <will_> I've been trying to get WoW To run under wine, and I've been getting a error.  When I run it in -opengl mode it will freeze a few seconds after I log on.  I'm on a ati x700 card, with version .17
[09:06] <intelikey> unstablesob modprobe ?
[09:07] <unstablesob> intelikey: modprobe what?
[09:07] <Ragol> oh well... it's quite hard to install kubuntu because the installer is trying to connect prat.ubuntu.com....
[09:07] <eric__> OOD: GCC OK? I was thinking I'd use synaptic, if/when the servers come back.
[09:07] <Ragol> I'm just waiting that it would timeout and ask the proper server...
[09:07] <OOD> eric_: i have a compiled package i can send you if you want, although gnash doesn't do too much right
[09:07] <Tommy> kbrooks: should i specify amount of video ram (using integrated i810)
[09:07] <eric__> OOD: Can one apt-get install them?
[09:07] <kbrooks> Tommy: no
[09:07] <kbrooks> Tommy: ubuntu will detect
[09:07] <Tommy> k
[09:07] <OOD> eric_: yes, apt-get install build-essential
[09:07] <eric__> That's another thing I don't understand - where do these packages come from when we do apt-get install?
[09:08] <BlankB> I keep having problems with repos...yesterday it was us.archive.... today its security.ubnuntu.com... is there something wrong with the repos?
[09:08] <OOD> but the servers are down now, so you won't be able to download any packages
[09:08] <kbrooks> eric__: just use NL.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:08] <Ragol> it just says 'Browsing installation server..." (or something like that, I'm using the Finnish version)
[09:08] <samo> fyi: somewhere in ubuntu-nl.org there's an easy sources thing where you can change the country of your souces.list from say us to nl
[09:08] <kbrooks> eric__: in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:08] <will_> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=466849  <- Details to the issue I'm having with WoW
[09:08] <BlankB> OOD: what is up with the servers? Should this be in the /topic ?
[09:08] <thrice`> it is
[09:09] <Ragol> *sigh
[09:09] <Ragol> *
[09:09] <intelikey> unstablesob snd-seq-oss  ?
[09:09] <thrice`>  Many ubuntu services are down - people are working to restore them
[09:09] <will_> *sigh*
[09:09] <BlankB> ahh.
[09:09] <pinupgeek__> hmp, is ruby 1.8 not in the dapper universe anymore ?
[09:09] <OOD> will: did you go to appdb and follow the how-to?
[09:09] <will_> Who's working to restore them exactly...?
[09:09] <Ragol> now it timeoutted and started a new one 'browsing the repository of security updates'...
[09:09] <kbrooks> will_: people. we dont know who
[09:09] <Ragol> oh, it was fast...
[09:09] <unstablesob> intelikey: thanks, that works
[09:09] <intelikey> unstablesob when in doubt activate bash_completion
[09:09] <Ragol> "wait" quite an informative windows, I think ;)
[09:10] <intelikey> . /etc/bash_completion
[09:10] <BlankB> silly Konversation...id did'nt realize it doesnt update the topic that it shows at the top of the screen...if I do /topic it shows up.
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> okay, the main datacenter had a power failure, which is why archive.ubuntu.com is down, as well as all websites. The us.archive was down before the power failure and is an unrelated problem. Not all archives are down.
[09:10] <eric__> kbrooks: Is there a way to tell the shell to look elsewhere for packages, eg NL.archive.ubuntu.com?
[09:10] <intelikey> then # modprobe snd[tab] 
[09:10] <will_> OOD: Yep, As well as I could. I think it's a driver error, but I'm oblivious at how to update them
[09:10] <kbrooks> eric__: apt uses the sources., not the shell. and i meant nl
[09:10] <kbrooks> LeeJunFan: Yay.
[09:11] <kbrooks> LeeJunFan: THANK you for telling!
[09:11] <eric__> kbrooks ?
[09:11] <samo> eric_ try http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic and change the country to nl
[09:11] <kbrooks> eric__: names are case sentistive
[09:11] <eric__> samo: gotcha.
[09:11] <eric__> kbrooks: right
[09:11] <kbrooks> eric__: 'x' is not 'X'
[09:11] <bLaZeD> hello all when pinging google.com i got this 64 bytes from 72.14.207.99: icmp_seq=14 ttl=237 time=60.4 ms (DUP!) i have never seen that dup b4 any ideas as to what it means?
[09:11] <samo> of course, back up your sources.list first!!
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> bLaZeD: it means you are getting more than one response for your ping request.
[09:13] <bLaZeD> LeeJunFan, ahh weird...but thank you for the info..much appreciated =D
[09:14] <intelikey> samo or; sed 's/us./nl./' bash_completion | sudo tee bash_completion         but like you said backup first.  :)
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> bLaZeD: yeah it is wierd, I can ping that IP from here w/o dupes so it's somewhere more local to you causing it.
[09:15] <samo> intelikey I'm not that savvy and I'm also a bit lazy but thanks for the info :)
[09:15] <intelikey> samo hehhe ooops wrong buffer.  s_bash_completion_/etc/apt/sources.list_ ^   sorry.
[09:15] <bLaZeD> LeeJunFan, im not to worried...this is the 1st time i have ever seen it b4....and my inet seems fine so i will  worry bout it later
[09:16] <intelikey> yeah i hit the mouse key without paying attention to what was makred....
[09:19] <iradio> I have a wacom touch screen and I am wondering how to get it to work with kubuntu dapper.
[09:20] <intelikey> hmmm i'm not used to not having any /etc/rc?.d/    makes me have to think....   and i'm not used to that.
[09:21] <intelikey> iradio it doesn't by default ?
[09:21] <iradio> intelikey: nope.
[09:21] <iradio> the screen works, but not the touch part of it.
[09:22] <intelikey> hmmmm the wacom lines in my xorg.conf cause errors so i always have to remove them.  i just figured if i had a wacom it would work...
[09:23] <intelikey> iradio "apt-cache search wacom "    and see what package information you get.
[09:24] <iradio> intelikey: good call. I'll install the utilities package that came up...
[09:24] <intelikey> well i think i will mkfs this drive now.  cause i need the room.   laters.      iradio yeah apt-cache is your friend.
[09:26] <grizzly> !keyboard layout
[09:26] <ubotu> I know nothing about keyboard layout - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:27] <cox377> Hello
[09:27] <grizzly> In which directory does "setxkbmap" looks in for keyboard layouts ? Basically i want to install a keyboard layout
[09:41] <weedar> Anyone knows what happened to ubuntuforums?
[09:42] <nixternal> servers are coming back online, please be patient if you detect slowness in reaction. thank you for your support!
[09:43] <nixternal> it seems a heat wave is to blame for the disruption to all power services available to the datacenter. as more information is made available, we will inform all of you. thank you for your support!
[09:47] <Ademan>  when you right click on a file in nautilus and hit make link... is it symbolic by default?
[09:48] <Dahgol> how do i apply chmod 775 to an entire directory and its content?
[09:49] <kuze> chmod -R 755 dir
[09:50] <Dahgol> thx
[09:51] <coachJ> i steped away and Konversation crashed
[09:52] <coachJ> auyone here?
[09:52] <osiris> yes
[09:52] <coachJ> k
[09:53] <Roselawn> hi
[09:54] <elfshadow14> Can someone tell me why the repos are gone and way ubnuntu's site was done
[09:54] <Hawkwind> elfshadow14: Been down since yesterday
[09:55] <Hawkwind> elfshadow14: /topic
[09:55] <elfshadow14> I know
[09:55] <elfshadow14> But does anyone know why?
[09:56] <elfshadow14> What topic?
[09:59] <rlj> is pyqt available in any of the standard repos?
[10:00] <kbrooks> rlj: yes.
[10:00] <maryham> hello to all
[10:00] <necrotic> I feel dumb :( I downloaded the PowerPC version of Kubuntu and couldn't figure out why it wouldn't start on my PC.
[10:00] <kbrooks> rlj:  in fact.
[10:00] <kbrooks> rlj: its there already, or should be
[10:00] <maryham> anyone can tell me how to register my nickname ?
[10:00] <rlj> kbrooks: i can't see it in adept
[10:00] <kbrooks> rlj: (the kubuntu installer uses pyqt)
[10:00] <kbrooks> rlj: open a terminal.
[10:01] <rlj> kbrooks: right
[10:01] <kbrooks> rlj: at the  $ prompt...
[10:01] <kbrooks> rlj: type python.
[10:01] <rlj> interpreter ready to go
[10:01] <kbrooks> rlj: you will get a ">>>" prompt. at that, type "import qt"
[10:01] <rlj> i assume you are going to tell me how to query it if the module is there...
[10:01] <kbrooks> without the quotes
[10:01] <Tommy2k4> i cant open kate from konsole :s
[10:01] <rlj> yup that worke
[10:01] <rlj> d
[10:02] <rlj> guess pyqt is already in some other package then
[10:02] <maryham> anyone can tell me how to register my nickname ?
[10:02] <kbrooks> Tommy2k4: you can, type "kate &" at the $ prompt
[10:02] <kbrooks> !register > maryham
[10:02] <Tommy2k4> well i knew that
[10:02] <Tommy2k4> but thats weird
[10:02] <rlj> kbrooks: so apparently it's in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/qt.so
[10:02] <Tommy2k4> i can kate but i cant sudo kate
[10:02] <rlj> kbrooks: how do i query apt as to what package owns that file?
[10:02] <kbrooks> Tommy2k4: try kdesu kate
[10:03] <kbrooks> rlj: Let me find out how
[10:03] <Tommy2k4> god dam why do i always forget that
[10:03] <kbrooks> Tommy2k4: remember: "kde super user"
[10:03] <maryham> !register
[10:03] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:03] <frood> I'm trying to use make to compile a program. it says it can't find GCC, I've installed GCC 4 via adept but I don't think I have the environment variable setup for it. How can I set that?
[10:03] <Tommy2k4> i know what it is
[10:03] <Tommy2k4> i always do sudo tho
[10:03] <Tommy2k4> too used to it
[10:03] <kbrooks> Tommy2k4: for kde gui apps, use kdesu
[10:04] <Tommy2k4> i know but i forget :(
[10:05] <kbrooks> rlj: apt-cache search qt.so
[10:06] <kbrooks> rlj: wait, no
[10:06] <kbrooks> rlj: apt-cache search qt | grep python
[10:06] <elfshadow14> Has anyone had the problem that when they update kubuntu when it reboots it just stay on a kubuntu logo.
[10:06] <kbrooks> rlj: another option is to install apt-file, iirc
[10:06] <jmichaelx> i just downloaded a .pdf document and am using adobe acrobat reader, i want to save the document to my hard drive, but i get a "not super user" error. can anyone tell me what to do?
[10:07] <rlj> kbrooks: ok, will do, might be useful'
[10:07] <farous> jmichaelx: it is most probably in your /tmp file. save it in your home dir
[10:07] <kbrooks> rlj: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Apt-file
[10:08] <rlj> kbrooks: i come from a gentoo background (my first and only distro so far) so i'm still learning the debian way of doing things (just bought a laptop with a new kubuntu installation on it now)
[10:08] <jmichaelx> farous: i guess that would be the easiest way, but sometimes this whole superuser thing ticks me off lol
[10:08] <kbrooks> rlj: ebay?
[10:08] <rlj> kbrooks: the laptop? yeah, the swedish equivalent
[10:08] <kbrooks> jmichaelx: do you understand it?
[10:08] <rlj> kbrooks: it did not have kubuntu originally though
[10:08] <farous> jmichaelx: you need it only if you are saving to other dir. when you get used to it you will find it a better organization
[10:09] <jmichaelx> kbrooks: i think i understand it, but at times it makes things unnecessarily complicated
[10:09] <farous> jmichaelx: yet you can always use sudo for superuser privlage
[10:09] <kbrooks> jmichaelx: complicated? well,  you can go back to the traditional su/root stuff. i won't tell you how, look around on the internet
[10:09] <jmichaelx> farous: you cannot use sudo from within a program like acroreader
[10:09] <mattjunx> anyone here familiar with kontact?
[10:10] <mattjunx> or at least korganizer
[10:10] <crimsun> apokryphos: hi, do you use a ThinkPad with UK keymap?
[10:10] <farous> jmichaelx: there is a way  but i won't recommend it
[10:10] <kbrooks> apokryphos: mistake?
[10:10] <jmichaelx> kbrooks: i think i will go back to su
[10:10] <farous> jmichaelx: there is always a way ;)
[10:10] <kbrooks> jmichaelx: so search
[10:10] <jmichaelx> farous: there is always a way, albeit often a tiring , annoying way
[10:11] <kbrooks> what is this "koffice"
[10:11] <jmichaelx> kbrooks: it is another office suite
[10:11] <kbrooks> why?
[10:11] <jmichaelx> i am sure you knew that lol
[10:11] <smarter_> Hi
[10:11] <iradio> anybody know how to configure a touchscreen? The cursor is not lining up with the screen's pen.
[10:12] <smarter_> It's me or kubuntu.org is down?
[10:12] <jmichaelx> kbrooks: people often have ddifferent likes and dislikes, i guess. i have never looked at koffice
[10:12] <mattjunx> alright, anyways, problem with kontact/korganizer
[10:13] <mattjunx> now I've been looking forever for an easy method of blog publishing, and one day I found the "Journal" part of KOrganizer
[10:13] <jmichaelx> it seems to me that a number of sites/servers connected with cononical have been on the fritz the last few days
[10:13] <mattjunx> apparently, you can include journal entries in an iCal file, so there we go
[10:13] <jmichaelx> canonical*
[10:13] <narasim_7> are the servers up?
[10:13] <mattjunx> anyhow, according to the documentation (including help:/korganizer/managing-data.html), I should be able to add a blog as a calendar resource
[10:14] <jmichaelx> narasim_7: the .us servers were down last i knew, but i never use those
[10:14] <mattjunx> however, that is like, the ONLY damn entry missing from the add resource wizard
[10:14] <mattjunx> so, what's the problem here?
[10:15] <mattjunx> and yes, I do have kdepim-kresources installed
[10:16] <jmichaelx> ok, to move this .pdf document i downloaded from it's temporary file to where i want it, am i going to have to do it from the command line?
[10:17] <farous> jmichaelx: no you can use the file browser
[10:17] <jmichaelx> ty farous
[10:17] <stefan_> narasim_7: i ca
[10:17] <farous> jmichaelx: when you save in acrobat choose save as it is easier then select where you wana save it
[10:18] <stefan_> I cant sent private message, I'm not registered
[10:18] <narasim_7> stefan_: i dont get it..
[10:18] <narasim_7> stefan_: ok
[10:18] <narasim_7> so are u able to do updating
[10:18] <stefan_> narasim_7: uptates is today a problem, you can ipdate with the de.ubuntu.com servers
[10:18] <jmichaelx> thnx again farous
[10:19] <narasim_7> stefan_: okie
[10:19] <farous> ur welcomed :)
[10:19] <stefan_> I think it
[10:21] <rysiek|pl> hi ther guys
[10:23] <grizzly> Is there a method to force google earth to run in directx mode?? from the command line i.e.
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> short one here: when I added a new Jabber account to Kopete (testing my own Jabber server), it moaned about the SSL certificate being self-signed. Now I am about to test my shiny new certificate, but first I want to see Kopete moan about my old one again - and it doesn't, as I have checked "Trust always" or something alike when it first did. Anybody knows, where to un-check this option for Kopete?..
[10:23] <grizzly> Just clicking 'try directx' results in a crash
[10:24] <rysiek|pl> grizzly: eeerm... DirectX?.. on Linux? :)
[10:24] <xenon_> hi
[10:24] <rysiek|pl> grizzly: DirectX is a M$' child, and as such, obviously, is available *only* on winshit
[10:25] <grizzly> rysiek|pl: well it does say 'try directx' . Thats all I know
[10:26] <rysiek|pl> grizzly: aye, that's because GoogleEarth is a nice, cross-platform app. the devs should have included a sanity check, though, that disables this option on non-winshit platforms
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> grizzly: it will always crash upon attempting to initialize DirectX on Linux/MacOS/whatever-non-windows simply because DirectX is not there
[10:28] <x_xenon> hi
[10:28] <kbrooks> !tell rysiek|pl about language
[10:29] <elfshadow14> Does anyone know if the how I can edit my repos
[10:30] <Philip5> elbarto: of course
[10:30] <Philip5> ops
[10:30] <Philip5> elfshadow14: of course
[10:31] <Tommy2k4> !info opera
[10:31] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in dapper
[10:31] <elfshadow14> What Philip5
[10:31] <Tommy2k4> i thought ubuntu was distributing opera in repos these days
[10:32] <elfshadow14> Which file is the repos in?
[10:32] <Tommy2k4> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:32] <elfshadow14> thanks
[10:32] <crimsun> Tommy2k4: not ubuntu per se but canonical.
[10:33] <Tommy2k4> meaning what
[10:33] <Tommy2k4> is it in a repo
[10:34] <x_xenon> its the first time, i use irc
[10:34] <ChefWill_> anyone know the location where kubuntu stores battery info?
[10:34] <ChefWill_> i.e. amount charge, etc
[10:34] <ChefWill_> i think its in /etc/acpi somewhere
[10:34] <x_xenon> how can i change the color of my nick in irc?
[10:35] <Philip5> opera is in the commercial repo
[10:37] <Tommy2k4> k
[10:37] <joe_attaboy> Hey everyone: the update servers appear to be back up. I just did one from here (US).
[10:38] <x_xenon> yeah i have found it
[10:38] <Philip5> joe_attaboy: you... seam to work
[10:38] <Philip5> you=yupp
[10:42] <betty> !help
[10:42] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:43] <elfshadow14> Hey when I update my kubuntu it really screw it up had anyone ver updated and then it just show s a logo when you boot.
[10:44] <Rus1> Is it pretty much required to have inet connectivity while installing (k)ubuntu?
[10:44] <crimsun> elfshadow14: could you describe your problem more fully? It's difficult to understand as you state it.
[10:44] <Rus1> I tried without and a lot of things seemed messed up.
[10:44] <crimsun> Rus1: not at all.
[10:45] <Rus1> For instance, I tried to sudo apt-get install firefox after plugging in, and it couldn't. I checked my sources.list, and all repositories were disabled because they couldn't be verified or something, but even after enabling all of them it didn't work.
[10:45] <elfshadow14> Well when I update my my kubuntu it works but then when I reboot it jaust shows the kubuntu logo and dosn't start.
[10:45] <elfshadow14> opps I spelled bad
[10:46] <Rus1> It told me something about some required packages not being installable.
[10:46] <Rus1> I'm thinking about trying the install again now that I have internet connectivity - do you think that would get me anywhere or would it be a waste of time?
[10:46] <Ace2005> yay the forums are back online
[10:49] <coljstout> Can I install kubuntu without booting into the LiveCD? Is there a startup string? Like linux26 in debian?
[10:49] <Hawkwind> Rus1: It will timeout at the end when trying to check the sites for packages.  Once you finish the install you can install the things you want/need from that point
[10:50] <Dahgol> hi. when kde is starting up, i get the kmenu icon bouncing in the mouse pointer. can i disable that image to bounce at my system startup?
[10:51] <B4ckB0ne> hi
[10:51] <Rus1> Hawkwind: I understand that that would happen, but it seems to have messed up more than that since I couldn't install firefox.
[10:51] <Rus1> Also, is it possible to add/remove repositories from within Adept, or do I have to manually edit my sources.list?
[10:53] <Hawkwind> Rus1: Adept -> Click on Manage Repositories
[10:53] <the_hammer> !pastebin
[10:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:53] <Rus1> Hawkwind: I have no such menu item.
[10:53] <Hawkwind> !repositories
[10:53] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:53] <Rus1> ahh, I see.
[10:53] <Rus1> If I run Adept Manager from the system menu it's there
[10:53] <Hawkwind> Rus1: I don't use Adept or any other GUI to do install/remove of apps or anything
[10:53] <B4ckB0ne> I got a simple question: How to install a driver from the c++ source files... got the driver ... just nead a tutorial on how to install from c++ files ... i prefer german .. english is ok too
[10:54] <intelikey> who can tell me why k3b and xcdroast can't find scd0 ?
[10:54] <Rus1> I understand that I can use apt-get and add repositories to sources.list, but I just thought it was supposed to be possible.
[10:55] <coachJ> R the repos back up?
[10:55] <intelikey> ping us.ubuntu.com
[10:56] <coachJ> pinging
[10:56] <intelikey> i guess not then...
[10:56] <intelikey> who can tell me why k3b and xcdroast can't find scd0 ?
[10:56] <coachJ> unknown host
[10:57] <intelikey> Starting to scan for devices...
[10:57] <intelikey> Scan finished.
[10:57] <crimsun> coachJ: us.archive.ubuntu.com is having problems; please use archive.ubuntu.com for the moment
[10:57] <B4ckB0ne> I got a simple question: How to install a driver from the c++ source files... got the driver ... just nead a tutorial on how to install from c++ files ... i prefer german .. english is ok too
[10:57] <coachJ> k
[10:57] <jim__> anyone know how to play .flv files in linux i cannot find an answer
[10:57] <intelikey> there should be two devices found there.
[10:57] <Rus1> jim_: vlc will play them I think.
[10:57] <jim__> I tried vlc and it did not work
[10:58] <crimsun> intelikey: so a scsi device? What does ``cdrecord -scanbus'' reveal?
[10:58] <Rus1> Okay, then I don't know.
[10:58] <B4ckB0ne> did u install the windows codecs?
[10:58] <jim__> no i did not install the windwows codecs should i
[10:59] <B4ckB0ne> could help
[10:59] <jim__> heres a dumb newbie question: how do i install the windows codecs in linux
[10:59] <B4ckB0ne> what is .flv ?
[10:59] <B4ckB0ne> which codec?
[10:59] <B4ckB0ne> google ... gather some more information
[10:59] <Rus1> It's a flash video I think
[10:59] <Rus1> used by youtube
[10:59] <jim__> right its flash
[11:00] <intelikey> crimsun lots of Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.  <---
[11:00] <B4ckB0ne> so did you install shockwave
[11:00] <Rus1> I have successfully used vlc to play them under windows.
[11:00] <B4ckB0ne> try opening it with a browser
[11:00] <intelikey> why is it hitting sg0 ???
[11:00] <jim__> will try the browser
[11:00] <OOD> B4clBone: there is no shockwave for linux
[11:00] <B4ckB0ne> ok
[11:01] <Philip5> B4ckB0ne: only via crossoffice but it's not free
[11:01] <B4ckB0ne> do you have an answer on how to play these files?
[11:01] <jim__> won't work in a browser or totem
[11:02] <B4ckB0ne> I got a simple question: How to install a driver from the c++ source files... got the driver ... just nead a tutorial on how to install from c++ files ... i prefer german .. english is ok too
[11:02] <the_hammer> !pastebin
[11:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:03] <intelikey> crimsun thanks.   but why is it looking for  sg rather than scd ?    and yea setting perms on /dev/sg* fixed it.
[11:05] <crimsun> intelikey: cdrecord uses the sg devices (as it should) for scsi devices
[11:05] <intelikey> so sg0 adn scd0 are =
[11:05] <intelikey> ?
[11:06] <crimsun> intelikey: sg0 is the 'raw' device that would be used for communication (I guess Douglas designed it that way)
[11:07] <slow-motion> re
[11:07] <SystematicDub> hey all I've got a weird problem
[11:08] <intelikey> crimsun k   thanks again.
[11:10] <ironfroggy> is mount -a given before any network connections are established?
[11:12] <SystematicDub> Ok first off I'm on Dapper's Live CD and I start up a radio stream and no sound comes out.  I tried playing some local stuff on the cd and it played perfectly.  So why will streams connect and buffer and say there playing but not?
[11:12] <ironfroggy> what kind of streams are they?
[11:13] <SystematicDub> internet streams like SomaFM and Radio Paradise....I listen to em all the time on windoze *hiss
[11:14] <ironfroggy> what formats? playing with what software?
[11:14] <ironfroggy> for example, are they flash sites, a'la pandora.com?
[11:15] <SystematicDub> ahh should be in mp3.....maybe that's it....and it's off of Amarok.  It's just a link that is opened up in Amarok and it plays a live radio stream
[11:16] <ironfroggy> maybe the mp3 codec isnt included and it just silently fails to process it.
[11:16] <mamatoshi> hi all
[11:17] <SystematicDub> I once tried to config amarok to play mp3 codecs(restricted format I know) and it just didn't work.  Could running off of a liveCD have anything to do with it?
[11:17] <nixbox> hey guys
[11:17] <mamatoshi> SytematicDub :: I think the live cd only support ogg..
[11:17] <nixbox> i just installed KUbuntu yesterday
[11:18] <nixbox> i want to know how can i install applications like Asterisk?
[11:18] <mamatoshi> nixbox :: use adept for package manager
[11:18] <b_> how to i install nepenthes threw a tar.gz package
[11:18] <nixbox> mamatoshi, I couldn't find it in adept
[11:18] <b_> i have the file on desktop, how to i  make it run
[11:18] <sola6662> who uses Evolution Mail?
[11:19] <b_> i usually use adept but in this case adept is not working for me so i have to use the tar.gz package
[11:19] <nixbox> sola6662: used to use it :P
[11:19] <mamatoshi> nixbox :: maybe you have to enable your universe and multiverse repositories
[11:19] <sola6662> im tryin to setup my yahoo, MSN mail accounts
[11:19] <nixbox> mamatoshi: ok
[11:19] <sola6662> nixbox can u help me?
[11:20] <nixbox> sola6662: i dont know if I can, I had used it on ubuntu for a little period of time, whats the problem?
[11:20] <SystematicDub> mamatoshi: Well that stinks....My harddrive won't partition correctly...so I can't install Kubuntu...I can only use the Live session
[11:20] <sola6662> i dont know what Server Yahoo or msn uses
[11:20] <b_> how do i install tar.gz packages?
[11:20] <nixbox> sola6662: you mean the POP/IMAP servers?
[11:20] <sola6662> yeah
[11:21] <ironfroggy> ok people are talking again, so ill ask again. when mount -a is invoked at boot time, is that before or after the network is established?
[11:21] <sola6662> what do i use for Yahoo and what MSN uses
[11:21] <mamatoshi> SytematicDub :: sorry to hear that
[11:21] <crimsun> has anyone done a 'mozilla-thunderbird->kmail' transition?
[11:21] <crimsun> specifically moz-tbird 1.5x->kmail 1.9x
[11:21] <sola6662> nixbox how i set up pop?
[11:22] <nixbox> sola6662: you have subscirbed to their service? Because POP ain't free for Yahoo and MSN
[11:22] <sola6662> poop
[11:22] <SystematicDub> hey real quick but something just happened and my mouse can't click....it's like everything half froze.  How do you kill a program again?
[11:22] <sola6662> so i cant do anything
[11:23] <nixbox> sola6662: why don't you use gmail instead?
[11:23] <sola6662> i have Gmail
[11:23] <sola6662> my Yahoo is for other uses u know
[11:23] <nixbox> sola6662: well Gmail offers free IMAP service
[11:25] <sola6662> brb
[11:25] <nixbox> sola6662: ok
[11:25] <sola6662> ok WTF
[11:26] <sola6662> i cant open login screen thing
[11:26] <sola6662> omfg i cant run gdmsetup
[11:28] <raziel_> hi, my pal said I should ask here for codecs, something about a wiki
[11:28] <sola6662> yo i need help i upgraded to 6.06LTS and i cant open gdmsetup
[11:28] <aliasfred> yo bouyou tralala
[11:30] <gatekeeper> !codecs
[11:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:30] <gatekeeper> raziel_: ^^^
[11:30] <raziel_> thnx
[11:30] <gatekeeper> yw :-)
[11:34] <b_> can someone help me with nepenthes
[11:35] <mariux> i am trying to boot my kubuntu using lilo, kubuntu is installed on /dev/sda3, but when i try to boot it using "image = /mnt/ubuntu/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 \nroot = /dev/sda3" i get a kernel panic saying it cant find sda3
[11:36] <ironfroggy> anyone here use autofs?
[11:36] <ironfroggy> i cant figure out how to configure things. that there are two configuration files for the same thing confuses me.
[11:36] <Lord_Athur> hi all, when will be reased the next kubuntu version?
[11:37] <b_> hello
[11:37] <mamatoshi> Lord_Athur :: October
[11:37] <LeeJunFan> mariux: sounds like you need an initrd image in lilo so you have scsi drivers.
[11:38] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[11:39] <mariux> initrd = initrd.img-2.6.15-23-386
[11:39] <mariux> looks good?
[11:39] <ironfroggy> has anyone here configured autofs? im having some trouble understanding the configure files.
[11:39] <mariux> and its usb2, not scsi :)
[11:39] <ironfroggy> particularly that there are more than one of them,
[11:39] <mariux> but i guess it goes as scsi in the kernel
[11:39] <mariux> with /path/ :)
[11:40] <mariux> thanks, ill give it a try
[11:48] <bastiq> I don't get a phpmyadmin folder in my /var/ww folder when i install phpmyadmin... Anyone know why?
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> bastiq: you need to symlink it from there to /usr/share/phpmyadmin or wherever it gets installed (find out with dpkg -L phpmyadmin)
[11:50] <bastiq> :)
[11:50] <bastiq> How do i symlink?
[11:51] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: ln -s
[11:51] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: man ln
[11:51] <bastiq> ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /var/www
[11:51] <bastiq> ?
[11:51] <procyon> hello i am having a problem where old (beta?) koffice packages are breaking my dpkg and not allowing me to update them
[11:51] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: that should do it.
[11:52] <the_hammer> ok anyone here rna an eggdrog?
[11:52] <the_hammer> ran*
[11:53] <bastiq> It believes that i want to save the file when i open the folder in my browser
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: you need to install the php mod for apache
[11:55] <bastiq> Ok, done. And how do i restart the server?
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: libapache2-mod-php[4,5] 
[11:56] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[11:56] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: or apache2ctl restart
[11:57] <bastiq> No go... what's a PHTML file by the way?
[11:58] <Raven301> The PHTML Encoder allows encoding PHP scripts before distributing them
[11:58] <bastiq> ahh... that's the file it want's to save.
[12:00] <kbrooks> Raven301: link to this phtml encoder
[12:00] <bastiq> still not working :/
[12:03] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: bah, you don't need php my admin anyway :p just use mysql_client.
[12:04] <bastiq> you mean... like... ... ... DO EVERYTHING MYSELF?! :P
[12:04] <bastiq> then i'd have to learn sql questions too
[12:04] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: personally I find using mysql_client easier, once you've learned it.
[12:04] <bastiq> yup... once i've learned it :P
[12:05] <bastiq> i'll just reinstall everything again and hope it works... :P
[12:06] <||Trayer||> Can anyone help me? I want to make a desktop icon for firefox, as currently in order to launch it I type "sudo sh /opt/firefox/firefox".
[12:07] <Tommy2k4> "***** Matrox 8MB PCI Graphics Card ***** " would that be better than my integrated i810
[12:07] <LeeJunFan> bastiq: then you don't learn why it didn't :) perhaps the php mod isn't enabled?
[12:07] <draik> the repo's back up???
[12:07] <bastiq> how do i enable it?
[12:08] <draik> Everything back to normal again?
[12:08] <gnomefreak> draik: most are yes