[12:14] <robertj> Amaranth: thanks, http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html sheds some light on what that phase is for. I assume packes in NEW are reviewed periodically without the need for poking?
[12:15] <Amaranth> i think so
[12:15] <Amaranth> most people poke though
[12:17] <robertj> so who is the most-chosen victim of such attention?
[12:18] <crimsun> robertj: yes, they are.
[12:19] <robertj> so err, don't poke?
[12:19] <crimsun> correct, unless it's a critical package
[12:21] <robertj> ok, no-pokey pokey
[01:59] <jadaz87> hello everyone i was wondering if there is a list somewhere of every package that is installed by default for the ubuntu server distro
[02:00] <Burgundavia> jadaz87: see the seeds, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/
[02:00] <jadaz87> ahh thanks Burgundavia 
[02:01] <Burgundavia> jadaz87: no worries
[02:01] <jadaz87> Burgundavia: and it has everything categorized thanks
[02:06] <jadaz87> Burgundavia: may i pm you?
[02:06] <Burgundavia> sure
[02:08] <LaserJock> the seed are also on LP
[02:09] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if they are kept in sync with ^^ or not
[03:33] <warpup_lite> hmm
[03:35] <sistpoty> mjg59: thanks for the feedback on debian/copyright issue... I'll overhaul parts of the FAQ (tomorrow, it's 3.30 here)
[03:35] <warpup_lite> debian copyright?
[03:37] <sistpoty> warpup_lite: see the ubuntu-motu mailing list at lists.ubuntu.com
[04:11] <warpup_lite> i don't have an account at lists.ubuntu.com
[04:12] <infinity> slomo: Done.
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya infinity
[04:21] <Hobbsee> warpup_lite: make one?
[04:22] <sistpoty> mjg59: sorry for last highlight, mixed up nicks here
[04:23] <mjg59> sistpoty: No problem :)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hi mjg59, and everyone else
[04:30] <mjg59> Oh my god I've been in a converted warehouse and there was loud music and it was entirely I WANT IT TO LOOK JUST LIKE THIS
[04:31] <bddebian> heh
[04:31] <mjg59> jdub: totally
[04:31] <mjg59> We need to bring GUADEC people her next year
[04:31] <mjg59> (I'm in Wolverhampton, which is about 20 minutes from Birmingham)
[04:32] <mjg59> AND YES, IT'S IN THE MIDLANDS
[04:32] <Hobbsee> heh...hi jdub 
[04:32] <jdub> morning Hobbsee 
[04:33] <jadaz87> repos down?
[04:33] <mjg59> jdub: We watched Jono shave his beard. It was touching.
[04:33] <jdub> mjg59: WHO was touching?
[04:33] <bddebian> jadaz87: Just US afaik
[04:33] <jadaz87> bddebian: oh ok
[04:34] <mjg59> jdub: Bastian
[04:34] <mjg59> Damned Frenchmen
[04:36] <mjg59> Hrm.
[04:36] <mjg59> One of these lightswitches makes the room go dark, the other does nothing
[04:37] <LaserJock> bddebian: I think CA is also down
[04:37] <bddebian> Oh really?  Hmm
[04:39] <Burgundavia> bddebian: ca has been having issue for a while now
[04:40] <bddebian> Well I know that, but I didn't know their archive was having problems.. ;-P
[04:43] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Uh-oh, are you from Canukistan? ;-)
[04:43] <Burgundavia> bddebian: well, lets just say that ubuntu.ca and my home machine resolve to the same IP address
[04:44] <bddebian> Doh :-)
[04:47] <mjg59> Oh christ Linus is sending me bug reports
[04:48] <Burgundavia> mjg59: aren't you special
[04:48] <LaserJock> mjg59: are they good?
[04:48] <bddebian> Heh
[04:51] <mjg59> He's absolutely right - everything only works by accident and we're doomed to death
[04:52] <bddebian> Hmm, joyful outlook
[04:54] <mjg59> It's possible that I should have waited until I was sober
[04:57] <Burgundavia> mjg59: nah, that makes things less fun
[04:57] <Burgundavia> hey js
[04:57] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, that is
[04:58] <jsgotangco> that is?
[04:58] <mjg59> Burgundavia: But dude, it's Linus
[04:59] <LaserJock> mjg59: maybe he was less than sober when you reported the bug so you are even :-)
[04:59] <LaserJock> *he reported
[05:00] <mjg59> LaserJock: Well, ther were capitals...
[05:01] <LaserJock> uh oh
[05:01] <mjg59> From Linus, not me
[05:52] <jadaz87> hmm it seems the repos errors are only for some people
[05:53] <Burgundavia> jadaz87: uhh?
[05:54] <jadaz87> Burgundavia: i tried sudo apt-get update
[05:54] <jadaz87> and it times out
[05:54] <jadaz87> the first couple go through though
[05:54] <Burgundavia> you using the US or CA repos?
[05:55] <jadaz87> Burgundavia: how can i tell?
[05:55] <jadaz87> Burgundavia: probably the us since i am in NJ
[05:55] <Burgundavia> check your sources.list
[05:55] <Burgundavia> move off the us repos, they have had issue for a while now
[05:56] <jadaz87> Burgundavia: oh ok thanks
[05:56] <jadaz87> :)
[06:00] <jadaz87> interesting does the same thing
[09:48] <davyd> hi all
[09:49] <davyd> has anyone noticed problems with NetworkManager in edgy?
[10:34] <ploum> I think that we really need python-sexy in Edgy
[10:34] <ploum> (python bindings for libsexy)
[10:34] <ploum> Ok, I admit...
[10:34] <ploum> I need them...
[11:55] <lfittl> ploum: please link to the debian rfp when you add it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates, thanks
[11:55] <ploum> lfittl: It was not yet listed
[11:56] <ploum> I plan to add the link when it will appear
[11:56] <lfittl> ploum: oh, k :)
[12:24] <Espenfjo> Is there a changelog somwhere? A place i can see what packages have been changed, and why? Mainly in Edgy
[12:26] <Gloubiboulga> Espenfjo, the edgy-changes ML
[12:27] <Gloubiboulga> you can browse the archives
[12:27] <Espenfjo> ok
[12:30] <ulaas> i have a flashing apps menu
[12:30] <jsgotangco> that's known in edgy
[12:38] <ulaas> jsgotangco: thanx
[02:34] <Lathiat> hrm, problems with the websites?
[02:35] <Spads> Lathiat: We are aware of the problem and are working on it.
[02:35] <Lathiat> heh your subnet isnt even in the global route table
[02:35] <Lathiat> awesome :)
[03:06] <sivang> Spads: you the new web master? :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> sivang!!!!
[03:06] <Spads> sivang: no, not exactly
[04:06] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:29] <bddebian> Uhm, I know some of the archive machines are having problems, but are other machines having issues today?  I can't get to changelogs.u.c..??
[04:30] <shenki> the datacentre is down, apparantly
[04:30] <bddebian> Eeks
[04:30] <shenki> "Spads> shenki: It's a known problem, and we're working on it."
[04:31] <bddebian> Thx shenki
[04:31] <shenki> np
[04:31] <zealot> Can anyone give me an idea of why *ubuntu.com is down? I'm just curious...
[04:31] <shenki> heh
[04:31] <zealot> Did they have a powerfailure in the datacenter or something?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> argh, what'd i miss?
 the crappy ubuntu servers got h4x0red
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> confirm/deny
[07:09] <Spads> Deny.
[07:09] <HiddenWolf> bluefoxicy: they got beamed up by martians
[07:13] <Spads> bluefoxicy: on point of fact, our servers are now more secure than ever
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> what does that mean, stack smash protection everywhere?  Don't say you installed openBSD.
[07:15] <jdub> electricity is *SO* insecure.
[07:15] <HiddenWolf> Spads: yeah, you can't hack em while offline. ;)
[07:15] <Spads> HiddenWolf: exactly :)
[07:16] <HiddenWolf> jdub: it's a blackout?
[07:17] <thom> jdub: http://www.ipapp.com/broadband.html ;P
[07:17] <bluefoxicy> having the power out is not secure
[07:17] <bluefoxicy> it totally drops availability.
[07:17] <jdub> thom: especially that kind!
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> so what this is a case of somebody needing to set up redundant power in the server facility?
[09:24] <robertj> so who was it that tripped over the plug :)
[09:25] <HiddenWolf> Someone without the muscle to put that big heavy plug back in. ;)
[09:26] <Chipzz> network problems guys?
[09:26] <robertj> bunch of former employees leave to form own initiatives...ISP goes down for "unknown" reasons...convenient eh? :)
[09:26] <Chipzz> archive.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.182) is unreachable
[09:26] <Chipzz> so is security.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.138)
[09:27] <HiddenWolf> and launchpad.net
[09:27] <HiddenWolf> and markshuttleworth.com
[09:27] <HiddenWolf> and the forums, kubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu
[09:27] <HiddenWolf> etc. :)
[09:27] <Chipzz> trace seems to die somewhere in the UK (from here)
[09:28] <robertj> not markshuttleworth.com!
[09:29] <HiddenWolf> It's terrible
[09:30] <Spads> We do have staff on-site and are working on the problem
[09:30] <Spads> Unfortunately, it is largely out of our control at the moment.
[09:30] <Chipzz> Spads: thx
[09:31] <Chipzz> Spads: what do you mean with "out of our control"?
[09:31] <Spads> Chipzz: it's not a problem in our cage
[09:31] <Spads> Chipzz: the outage affects many other customers, and it could take a while to meet everyone's needs
[09:32] <Chipzz> Spads: ok :)
[09:33] <Chipzz> Spads: so what is the staff doing on-site if it's a problem with the hosting company? ;)
[09:33] <HiddenWolf> Spads: is it the isp?
[09:33] <zul> maybe trying to help
[09:34] <Chipzz> zul: I work for a company that does hosting in 4 datacenters; I think they would rather be in the way than help
[09:35] <Spads> I haven't spoken to them in a few hours, but I would guess that there's a lot of waiting involved.  When things do come back on-line, there will definitely be a scramble to shepherd things back to normal.
[09:35] <ozamosi> Is there any kind of link that contains info from the hosting company or something like that, that I can show the people that says "ubuntu's been hacked!"
[09:36] <Spads> ozamosi: alas, no.  I'd love one myself.
[09:36] <zul>                  company or something like that, that I can show the people
[09:36] <zul> whoops
[09:37] <Spads> haha
[09:37] <Spads> ooh
[09:37] <Spads> strike a light...
[09:37] <Chipzz> Spads: is it a problem with power or with the network link?
[09:38] <Spads> our systems are beginning to appear again.  Please be gentle, as they're likely to be hammered for a little while.
[09:38] <HiddenWolf> ozamosi: there is a notice upon entering #ubuntu that explains that the servers are out.
[10:37] <Spads> Chipzz: as jdub hinted at, it was a catastrophic power failure in our DC building.
[10:50] <Qwell> Are you guys aware of any (unreported?) bugs relating to the partition tool hanging during install on a Niagara?
[10:51] <Qwell> It happens literally every time...