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LaserJockhi Burgundavia 01:33
LaserJockBurgundavia: did you apply that typo patch to the Packaging Guide?01:34
BurgundaviaLaserJock: I applied two last night, that Kamping_Kaiser told me about, but nothing from the mailing list01:35
LaserJockk01:35
LaserJockthanks01:35
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BurgundaviaLaserJock: oh, just ran across karl's patch. You can apply it04:32
LaserJockyeah04:34
LaserJockI'm doing massive packaging guide work04:34
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nixternaljsgotangco: @##@# i have been waiting for you!!!05:00
nixternalhiya by the way ;)05:00
LaserJockwow05:00
jsgotangcoreally?05:00
nixternalhehe05:00
=== jsgotangco is far far away at the moment
LaserJockthat's quite the "hello, how are you?"05:00
nixternalya, the philippines page, what are you using for cms?05:00
jsgotangcodrupal05:00
nixternalsweet jesus05:01
nixternali need that theme05:01
nixternalfor ubuntu chicago05:01
jsgotangcoi just ripped it from ubuntu-au05:01
LaserJockhehe05:01
nixternalinteresting05:01
jsgotangcoim actually in my hometown connected via UMTS05:01
nixternalhometown?05:01
nixternalhow many do you have?05:01
jsgotangcojust down south05:01
nixternalya, you told me about that05:02
jsgotangcono i meant the place i grew up05:02
jsgotangcowe still have our house here but no telephone at the moment05:02
jsgotangcoand ive been wanting to try out the card i bought05:02
jsgotangcothis will kill my phone bill though05:03
Burgundavianixternal: which page?05:03
nixternalpage for?05:04
nixternalhttp://www.ubuntu-ph.org/05:05
nixternalthat is the theme i want to put on http://chi.ubuntu-us.org05:05
nixternalim going to use drupal for it05:05
jsgotangcoyeah just removing the pain of creating a site makes drupal a very nice choice05:06
nixternalindeed05:06
nixternali just need that theme...who over at au has it?05:07
jsgotangcowhere are you hosted05:07
Burgundaviafor ubuntu.ca, I figured we just didn't have enough need for anything heavier than static pages05:07
nixternalprobably the same here as well Burgundavia, but i rather start off with a cms, plus drupal gives you a small forums module as well as a small blog module05:08
nixternalim hosted via Ubuntu05:09
nixternalall ih ave is mad ftp access05:09
nixternalit is mighty elite i tell ya05:09
jsgotangcovia ubuntu?05:09
nixternalLoCo Hosting they do05:09
jsgotangcooh we separated from that for quite a while already05:09
jsgotangcowe now use a dedicatged server along with some other teams05:10
nixternalahhh05:10
LaserJockhmm, my packaging guide initial edgy work ends up as a 73K diff05:10
jsgotangcobr, id, in, au, and ph are on 1 server05:10
nixternalahh, so that is how you stole it from them ;)05:11
nixternalwell, it is FOSS, so05:11
nixternal;)05:11
jsgotangcothey probably got it from the fridge as well since its running drupal05:11
jsgotangcoand jeff's in charge of fridge so...05:11
nixternalgood luck getting in touch with the jdub05:11
nixternalat least he don't answer me05:12
LaserJockwell, he left Canonical so I think that's affected fridge05:12
Burgundaviahe is an insanely busy person05:12
jsgotangcohey he's not like that in person05:12
nixternali know he is insanely busy, but...05:12
jsgotangcolca2007 is greatly taking shape too05:13
jsgotangcobrb05:13
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robitaillejdub left canonical?  I didn't know that;  that may  explains the lack of fridge updates...05:18
nixternalhehe05:18
jsgotangcowell up to this month05:18
nixternalhe has either left, or leaves at the end of this month05:18
nixternalmoinmoin is a pain to setup and config05:19
jsgotangcokinisson also resigned but moving to a new company05:19
LaserJockreally?05:19
jsgotangcoyeah05:19
robitailleyou stay long enough around a project, and you see your share of people coming and going...05:19
LaserJocknixternal: it seems easier than mediawiki for me05:19
LaserJockyeah05:20
nixternali have it installed, however i can't change the theme05:20
nixternali have done everything i think05:20
LaserJockoh, that's pretty easy05:20
Burgundaviarobitaille: he leaves at the end of the month05:20
nixternalLaserJock: teach me ol' wise one05:21
nixternalas it seems nobody in moinmoin is alive05:21
LaserJockand JaneW left but we got Mr. JaneW 05:21
robitailleand before daniels, mako, thom...quite a few names since last year05:22
Burgundaviarob wier, a few others05:23
Burgundaviait is expecting that you are going to loose people05:23
LaserJocknixternal: just a sec, I can't find the right page. I know in general05:23
jsgotangcoi think even daf left05:23
Burgundaviamake and jdub may come back05:23
Burgundaviayep, he went to collabra05:24
robitaillecan I quit my job of dealing with reportbug reports :)05:24
Burgundaviarobitaille: we can just let them silently drop05:24
jsgotangcoyeah05:24
robitailleI now simply reply to them:   use LP.  I don't even bother filing new reports myself05:25
robitaillethey spend the time filing a report; I would feel bad simply ignoring them05:25
Burgundaviayep05:25
Burgundaviacanonical needs another QA person05:26
jsgotangcohmm why is karma jumping so high lately05:26
BurgundaviaI think they just rejigged everything05:26
robitaillesome of these bug reports are interesting.  A guy with a @hp.com address reporting a memory leak in a library05:27
Burgundaviahp has been big into debian for awhile now05:28
nixternalFujitsu: ping?05:29
Burgundaviarobitaille: do you have any idea how to subscribe to an entire products bugs?05:30
LaserJocknixternal: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnThemes#head-0f9b4561b6bd896ec150c626df63d39d77be397305:30
robitailleBurgundavia, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libnss-db/+subscribe05:31
robitaillefor an example.05:31
nixternalya LaserJock, i have done all that05:31
nixternalim trying something new now05:31
robitailleBurgundavia,  but I have never done it myself05:32
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LaserJocknixternal: it didn't work?05:32
nixternalnope...05:32
nixternalim sure i messed something up..trying something new now05:32
LaserJockodd, I've done it like 3 or 4 times05:32
LaserJockBurgundavia: I don't know about products but for packages I use Intial Bug Contacts05:33
Burgundaviawell, I need products05:33
Burgundaviahttps://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website05:33
LaserJockI don't see anything there05:35
LaserJockother than perhaps https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-website05:36
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LaserJockbombs away!!05:47
jsgotangcohmm ive been liking livejournal lately05:48
LaserJockand I spam ubuntu-doc05:52
jsgotangcohmm05:53
jsgotangcoi might get a new phone later05:53
LaserJockwhat?05:53
LaserJockyou don't like that phone, I mean camera, I mean phone ?05:54
jsgotangcono its already 7 months old05:54
jsgotangcolol05:54
LaserJockyeah, you need one with a can/bottle opener05:54
jsgotangcoim thinking of getting one with a 3.2MP lens05:54
jsgotangcomaybe an E61 would be nice since it also has WLAN05:55
=== LaserJock will have to try this SMS thing out some time
jsgotangcoare you aware you could also send pictures and sound using MMS05:57
LaserJockyeah, I think I read that somewhere05:57
LaserJockweird05:57
LaserJockI'm generally fairly aware that technologies exist, I just don't use them05:58
LaserJockI don't want to pay for them05:58
=== LaserJock is a cheapskate
jsgotangcoits pretty cheap here05:58
jsgotangcoand it gets easily abused05:58
jsgotangcoa lot of small clips with compromising actions have been passing randomly05:59
LaserJockI only pay for the basic/cheapest service I could find06:00
Burgundaviahmm, would you believe I don't and have never owned a cell phone?06:00
LaserJockI only have one because I'm married06:00
LaserJockand we have 1 car06:00
Burgundaviaah, another useless thing I don't have06:01
jsgotangcobecause you're always online06:01
LaserJockBurgundavia: a car?06:01
jsgotangcomy 4 year old kid has a kiddie cellphone06:01
Burgundaviayep06:01
LaserJockjsgotangco: that's terrible ;-)06:01
jsgotangcoshe doesn't use it06:01
Burgundaviabut being online has nothing todo with not having a car06:01
jsgotangcoit only has 3 buttons06:02
LaserJockBurgundavia: we'd be sunk without a car06:02
jsgotangcoHOME MOM DAD06:02
LaserJockcool06:02
=== Burgundavia secretly hates technology
LaserJockI can understand that06:02
Burgundaviait is too hard to use and too expensive06:02
Burgundaviatakes too much of my time06:03
LaserJockyeah, like this silly Ubuntu stuff06:03
LaserJocktoo expensive06:03
LaserJocktoo hard06:03
Burgundaviathat is reason I use ubuntu06:03
LaserJocktoo time hungry06:03
Burgundaviait passes those "too" tests06:04
LaserJocktoo expensive because I want to buy build machines06:04
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LaserJocktoo hard to give up06:04
jsgotangcohey i have a 1GB microSD in my phone hehehe06:05
LaserJockshesh06:05
LaserJockI had no idea I had 4 patches on the ML that I hadn't applied06:05
jsgotangcoi wish my wristwatch could be used to store an ISO06:05
LaserJocknaughty, naughty, LaserJock 06:06
jsgotangcoLaserJock: would you consider adding some non-volatile memory in your body if the technology comes heh06:08
LaserJockprobably not "in"06:08
LaserJockanybody know Cyanescent from the art team?06:08
LaserJockhe's #1 in karma06:09
LaserJockall specs06:09
jsgotangcoim out have a nice sunday06:13
LaserJockcya jsgotangco 06:13
Burgundaviaok, ugh, /support/faq on the website is sadly out of date06:26
LaserJockis there a website list yet?06:27
Burgundavianot currently06:29
Burgundaviawe need to get these various pieces from jdub, who is really bad at responding to requests06:29
BurgundaviaLaserJock: thoughts on /support/faq and the help specific things there?06:47
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nixternalkarma system broken?07:33
nixternalKarma:  8585107:33
nixternalumm..cuz i am pretty much idlin' for that07:34
robitaillenixternal,  we all got major karma increases recently07:35
nixternalhehe07:35
nixternalmakes me look special07:35
nixternali went from 20k to 85k07:35
robitailleI think I'm in the 260,000s07:36
robitailletop guy on LP is a 1.4 millions07:36
nixternaljeesh07:41
Burgundavianixternal: so am I. Karma does slowly decrease07:42
nixternalthat is the first time i looked at my page in a while and i noticed it07:42
BurgundaviaI really need to write a blog post about how to and not to announce your new distro07:42
nixternallet me read the announcement you are referring to07:43
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Burgundaviatop of lxer07:45
Burgundaviajust a link to sectoo.org, which has nothing to download07:45
nixternalahh ya07:45
Burgundaviaif you announce a new linux distro, you had better have something to download07:45
Burgundaviait was one of the reasons Ubuntu did so well, really early on07:46
nixternali love the google ads07:46
Burgundaviavery classly, no?\07:46
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nixternali am putting in a spec that www.ubuntu.com utilize google ads to generate money for keggers07:47
nixternalthese people need to realise...75%+ i would say of the people who use linux, are never going to click on a an ad in their life07:47
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nixternalhttp://static.flickr.com/63/195720383_b8f2939284.jpg?v=007:55
nixternaltornado that came through tonight07:55
nixternalyou can barely see the little guy07:55
nixternalhttp://static.flickr.com/76/195720358_9d8316607a_o.jpg07:56
nixternalall the hail on one of the cars07:56
nixternalhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/07:56
Burgundaviainteresting07:58
Burgundaviayou people have screwed up weather07:58
nixternalhaha07:59
nixternalthat is chicago for you07:59
nixternalwe heard the sirens in the town over..ours never went off07:59
nixternalit dropped from 81f to 56f in 15 minutes07:59
nixternalit was weird07:59
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LaserJockBurgundavia: sorry, was AFK. The support/faq seems a bit scattered to me08:37
BurgundaviaLaserJock: no worries. Can you look at it now?08:37
LaserJockBurgundavia: well I think it's a little sad that help.ubuntu.com is the very last line08:38
Burgundaviahmm08:38
Burgundaviagood point08:38
Burgundaviathink getting help should be the second topic?08:39
Burgundaviathat would put it on the first page for most people08:39
LaserJockperhaps08:39
LaserJockit should be fairly high, I'd think08:39
LaserJockI think getting rid of some of the Q&A might be nice08:40
LaserJockit's a bit hard to scan the TOC08:40
Burgundaviahmm, indeed08:41
LaserJockhmm, do you want to have important items first?08:42
Burgundaviait could use that08:43
BurgundaviaI just did a first pass, to get needed information in08:43
LaserJocklike I would think, Shipit and How to get Ubuntu? would be hit first before "What do the funny names mean?"08:43
LaserJockanyway, I gotta go08:43
LaserJockthat could be a really cool page08:44
LaserJockI like it08:44
LaserJockbut seems like it could  use a bit of help08:44
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Fujitsunixternal, pong.10:05
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Fujitsunixternal, pong.10:08
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mpt__"The data exchange section describes methods of exchanging data." -- MSDN01:12
Kamping_Kaiserrofl01:19
FujitsuHahhaha01:20
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mpt__https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHelp/PageStructure01:40
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nixternalso who broke ubuntu.com05:42
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theCoreis there any plan to improve the presentation of the docs?06:12
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nixternalit is definately, you can hear a pin drop, quiet around here08:26
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theCorenixternal: a quiet channel, mean productive peoples ;)09:57
theCore1 hour for a reply, not bad ;)09:59
nixternallol10:12
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phanaticevening10:18
phanatici just wanted to ask how often are the docs regenerated from rosetta?10:19
jjessephanatic: not very10:26
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phanaticjjesse: is it possible to ask for it when say we've completed a fair amount of translations?10:28
nixternalanyone know where i can find the meeting minutes or aganda for the Ubuntu Development Team meeting?10:29
jjessephanatic: i don't know really how it works, but i would ask mdke as he is more of an expert on that then me10:30
jjessenixternal: just at the meeting log 10:30
nixternalarg..figures ;)10:30
nixternalim trying to finish up the UWN and get it out10:31
phanaticjjesse: thanks, i'll poke mdke later then...10:32
jjessephanatic: np10:39
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue7     READY FOR REVIEW - READY FOR RELEASE11:34
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nixternalsomeone please go through and do a quick proofread11:34
nixternallol11:34
nixternalit is probably pretty crude crimsun11:34
crimsunoh we can fix that in an hour :-)11:35
nixternali did a spell check on it, thats about it11:35
crimsunJuly, 15 - 21 2006  <-- strange placement of comma11:35
nixternalnot strange, but retarded11:35
crimsunwell I try not to offend the authors right off11:36
nixternalcrimsun: if you would please, just make the changes as you go through it11:36
crimsunsure11:36
nixternali can't be offended, so it doesn't matter ;)11:36
crimsunI have to become acclimated to kde, so this will take a bit11:36
nixternallol11:36
nixternalim gonna go eat some sketti11:36
crimsunI love this url catcher11:36
nixternali shall return11:36
nixternalklipper?11:37
crimsunyeah11:37
nixternalgood stuff once you tame it11:37
nixternalbbiaf11:37
crimsunedited.12:08

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