[12:07] <bddebian> I need about 12 more machines that I can just start builds on
[12:07] <yosch> quick question to the packaging gurus: where can I find policy information about getting rid of old cache files in a package's purge?
[12:07] <bddebian> Or I should waste my 3 Hurd machine and put Ubuntu on them :-)
[12:08] <crimsun> yosch: postrm seems the most likely place.
[12:08] <yosch> especially when that old cache file is in a separate folder
[12:08] <crimsun> as in a defoma folder?
[12:09] <yosch> crimsun: isn't it against policy to remove a directory still containing a file?
[12:09] <sistpoty> bddebian: (ab)use tiber?... otherwise I wouldn't ever have been able to care for ghc6 (~6 hours on my machine)
[12:09] <crimsun> yosch: yes it is.
[12:09] <yosch> crimsun: as in a /usr/share/fonts/$font/fonts.cache-1
[12:10] <yosch> maybe leaving old these cache files behind when purging font packages is not very good either?
[12:10] <crimsun> yosch: in that case you want to take a look at a prerm like /var/lib/dpkg/info/ttf-dejavu.prerm, for instance
[12:10] <yosch> hum s/old these/these old/
[12:12] <yosch> crimsun: but in the case of the dejavu prerm the hints folder is not deleted
[12:12] <crimsun> yosch: e.g., http://pastebin.ca/96454
[12:12] <crimsun> right, it shouldn't be deleted
[12:12] <yosch> but for /usr/share/fonts/ every font family has its own folder
[12:13] <yosch> and I'm thinking a purge should get rid of that folder, shouldn't it?
[12:13] <yosch> crimsun: I was thinking of that problem when updating the gentium deb according to your instructions
[12:16] <crimsun> yosch: that's a non-issue, though
[12:17] <yosch> crimsun: OK, we can leave these files then
[12:17] <crimsun> it'll attempt to remove it and fail, which is correct.
[12:17] <crimsun> s/fail/dpkg will spit out a warning/
[12:19] <yosch> crimsun: yep
[12:20] <yosch> AFAICT the policy is to remove ~-files, #*# files, %-files when purging, maybe in the future we should consider getting rid of sub-caches files too
[12:20] <yosch> anyway not a big issue
[12:22] <yosch> crimsun: I have another warning for which you might have a tip: it's bug 6614
[12:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6614 in gs-common "Use of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6614
[12:22] <yosch> there are various fonts suffering from this one
[12:24] <yosch> mmm, any way to silence the warning until we get a fix for the arcane defoma bits :/
[12:24] <crimsun> I haven't mucked w/ defoma at all
[12:25] <yosch> yes, the mind boggles a bit at defoma's perl
[12:26] <bddebian> defoma is frightening :)
[12:36] <yosch> mmm, apparently a dependency on some adobe maps... investigating further
[12:51] <yosch> OK, installing the cmap-adobe-* packages make the defoma script happy
[12:52] <crimsun> fgly hackaround.
[12:53] <yosch> crimsum: yes pretty bad :(
[12:53] <yosch> especially since these packages are in multiverse... eek
[12:54] <zul> i would be more concerned if they were in main
[12:55] <yosch> we should fix this for CJK users but for now pretty much all fonts install uninstall with this warning and this is problematic
[12:55] <LaserJock> bddebian: gcalctool?
[12:56] <bddebian> What about it?
[12:56] <LaserJock> bddebian: did you see seb's comment?
[12:56] <bddebian> Where?
[12:56] <LaserJock> your sync bug
[12:57] <yosch> zul: actually it's some feature from a package in main depending on non-free multiverse stuff
[12:57] <bddebian> Oh, WTF does LP integration have to do with anything?
[12:57] <yosch> try installing a new font family
[12:58] <bddebian> Which seb is that?  I can never keep them straight :-)
[12:59] <LaserJock> bddebian: seb128
[12:59] <bddebian> Gah, and where is he damnit..? :)
[12:59] <crimsun> it's the weekend :-)
[01:00] <bddebian> Well he's obviously responding to bugs :-)
[01:00] <crimsun> he loves reassigning :-)
[01:04] <bddebian> Do either of you understand his comment?
[01:05] <LaserJock> I think so
[01:05] <LaserJock> I thought that Gnome apps were getting LP integration
[01:05] <LaserJock> for bug reports or something
[01:06] <bddebian> But the last change to gcalctool was dholbach do a new upstream release
[01:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: ok, but you are asking for a sync, right
[01:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: so you are saying that all Ubuntu changes can be dropped
[01:09] <bddebian> Yes, because Debian now has that version
[01:10] <LaserJock> but you are sure that it doesn't need a merge?
[01:11] <bddebian> Ooohh, I missed the previous changelog entry
[01:11] <bddebian> I still don't get this shit.  One minute we are supposed to be in sync with Debian whereever possible, then that shit gets thrown out the windo
[01:11] <bddebian> w
[01:12] <tseng> sigh
[01:12] <tseng> "wherever possible" is meant to be up to your best judgement
[01:12] <Fujitsu> What's the diff?
[01:13] <sistpoty> hm... the always stay in sync doesn't count for main and gnome, does it?
[01:13] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, probably not :P
[01:13] <tseng> gnome syncs with debian
[01:13] <bddebian> First I've heard that
[01:13] <tseng> it just has different upstream versions
[01:13] <sistpoty> ah... k
[01:14] <LaserJock> bddebian: but the fact remains that the Ubuntu packages has launchpad integration and Debian probably doesn't
[01:15] <LaserJock> so that's an Ubuntu change that shouldn't be dropped, no?
[01:15] <bddebian> Yes, I'm rejecting the bug
[01:15] <Fujitsu> What should be done about bug #49512? gnome-web-photo adds significant functionality to Beagle, yet it neither Recommends or Suggests it. It should probably Suggest it, shouldn't it?
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49512 in beagle "Beagle should suggest or recommend gnome-web-photo" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49512
[01:17] <bddebian> Fujitsu: to quote tseng "Use your best judgement"  ;-P
[01:17] <Fujitsu> I think it should Suggest it, as it's certainly valid.
[01:17] <LaserJock> yeah, that's always hard for me
[01:18] <tseng> beagle is in main.
[01:18] <bddebian> It's freaking irritating
[01:18] <tseng> and ive never even heard of gnome-web-photo
[01:18] <LaserJock> somebody alwys seems to have better judgment then me ;-)
[01:18] <bddebian> One minute I get bitched at for adding functionality, the next minute for not syncing with Debian
[01:18] <Fujitsu> tseng, true, I forgot Beagle was in main.
[01:18] <tseng> sigh
[01:19] <tseng> who is bitching at you?
[01:19] <bddebian> I'm talking about previous packages
[01:19] <tseng> I am guessing there is more to this than you are letting on
[01:19] <tseng> or there is miscommunication
[01:19] <bddebian> There is shitloads of miscommunication
[01:19] <tseng> sure, IRC sucks
[01:20] <LaserJock> bddebian: just avoid gnome and you'll be fine ;-)
[01:23] <LaserJock> bddebian: I have a new plan for you to become a core dev
[01:23] <bddebian> I'm not sure I have any interest any longer
[01:23] <LaserJock> take over TeX packaging in Ubuntu
[01:24] <sistpoty> bddebian: +1 from me... universe mustn't loose all the good ppl. to main ;)
[01:24] <LaserJock> yes
[01:24] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, heheh.
[01:25] <bddebian> sistpoty: Well thanks but that would imply that I am some type of "good ppl" :-)
[01:25] <LaserJock> who needs the stress we've only got thousands of packages to take care of
[01:25] <LaserJock> bddebian: you are, no doubt about it
[01:25] <sistpoty> bddebian: if you aren't among the go(o)d ones, who ever is?
[01:26] <bddebian> sistpoty: You, LaserJock, crimsun, \sh, slomo, et al
[01:26] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I'd say `et al' includes you.
[01:26] <LaserJock> bddebian: dude, et al? how scientific of you :-)
[01:27] <yosch> looked around but couldn't find anything... anybody has pointers on how to hide particular error messages in a maintainer script?
[01:27] <yosch> or redirect it
[01:28] <LaserJock> way more karma then me
[01:28] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, but there's no Soyuz karma yet, so that doesn't work.
[01:28] <LaserJock> bug karma
[01:28] <Fujitsu> :O
[01:28] <LaserJock> bddebian has done a ton of work fixing bugs
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Twice as much as me...
[01:28] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: are you sure? somehow my karma suddenly increased from ~30.000 to ~100.000
[01:28] <sistpoty> and I didn't do much bug work recently
[01:29] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, mine was 20000 3 days ago, and 2 days ago it jumped to 51000, and today to 80000.
[01:29] <LaserJock> they redid the karma apparently
[01:29] <Fujitsu> They're rescaling everything.
[01:29] <Fujitsu> Bug-karma is about 4 times as valuable now, as was proposed.
[01:29] <LaserJock> mine is 76055. I suck :(
[01:30] <LaserJock> and a lot of that is from an edgy spec
[01:31] <zul> i think mine is decreasing but i do more, than is reflected
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Previously, you could get heaps more karma through translations than through bugs, so more people translated.
[01:31] <sistpoty> I guess karma is the most useless thing to have... but still it makes fun to grumble about not having enough of it *g*
[01:31] <LaserJock> yeah, the en_US translation team didn't want me ;-)
[01:32] <LaserJock> I think it's good, the LP admins just need to stablize how they are going to do it
[01:35] <zul> heh 1 point for everyupload you do
[01:43] <yosch> so nobody know of a good way to hide a non-fatal warning message appearring at install/uninstall?
[01:43] <zul> er...fix it? :)
[01:44] <sistpoty> yosch: why do you want to hide it in the first place?
[01:44] <Kyral> redirect the whole shabang to /dev/null
[01:44] <Kyral> There are harmless warnings
[01:44] <bddebian> Damn, now I'm leary of requesting more syncs
[01:45] <Kyral> Like how at boot Arch complains that /dev/null already exists when populating udev :P
[01:45] <yosch> it's bug 6614, and yes they are AFAICT harmless but annoying 15 line long warnings
[01:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6614 in gs-common "Use of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6614
[01:45] <Kyral> Or my overactive DEBUG setting in SHCD
[01:45] <yosch> Kyral: where would I do the redirect? in rules
[01:45] <Kyral> (Set DEBUG to 2 in shcdrc and watch your logfile go HUGE fast :P)
[01:46] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'd just be leary of sync requests for -0ubuntuX packages
[01:46] <Kyral> Rules is just a shell script
[01:46] <Kyral> so whatever command is spitting the error just redirect its output
[01:46] <LaserJock> bddebian: other ones you can look at the diff between Debian and Ubuntu to make sure you haven't missed something
[01:46] <Kyral> I should really package SHCD...but it requires something too specific right now
[01:47] <Kyral> I haven't gotten around to rewriting it to get rid of the issue either
[01:47] <yosch> Kyral: a simple 2> /dev/null then in debian/rules then?
[01:47] <Kyral> oh shcd.azuredreams.us if you wanna know WTF SHCD is
[01:47] <Kyral> yosch: I usually use &> to redirect things to /dev/null
[01:47] <zul> bddebian: you wanna trade?
[01:47] <bddebian> Trade what?
[01:47] <Kyral> 2> only sends STDERR to wherever
[01:48] <Kyral> &> sends all output to wherever
[01:49] <yosch> Kyral: mm, where do I put it in the rules file exactly?
[01:49] <zul> bddebian, xen/kernel for what you are doing..
[01:50] <yosch> Kyral: is there a variable to declare?
[01:50] <Kyral> Xen what now
[01:50] <bddebian> Oh I'm just a fucking lackey, I couldn't be trusted with xen/kernel shit
[01:50] <Kyral> yosch: I haven't touched a rules file in ages
[01:50] <Kyral> but I know from shell scripting that all you need to do is find what line is making the error msg spit out and redirect its output to null
[01:51] <Kyral> now what about Xen :P
[01:51] <sistpoty> yosch: debian/rules is not the place to fix this... rather than the gs.defoma script...
[01:51] <Kyral> meh you guys no fun. You know I love Xen and playing with it
[01:52] <yosch> sistpoty: yes of course
[01:52] <Kyral> Actually i have to make a new XenGuest on Azuredreams come Monday....
[01:52] <Kyral> damnit I nuked my template image...gonna have to Debootstrap it manually
[01:52] <yosch> sistpoty: but we had that bug for various cycles now and nobody has understood defoma well enough to do something
[01:53] <yosch>  in the meantime, redirecting a non-fatal warning
[01:55] <sistpoty> yosch: but that warning is never given from s.th. in debian/rules, since rules is only used during building... so maybe gs.defoma might be the place to silence this
[01:55] <zul> <mr burns>excelent...xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386-pae_3.0.2+hg1174-2ubuntu1_i386.deb</mr burns>
[01:56] <sistpoty> yosch: however silencing a warning instead of fixing the real bug behind me seems not like a good solution, but that's only my 2c ;)
[01:56] <sistpoty> s/behind me/behind it/
[01:57] <yosch> sistpoty: yep, you're right
[01:58] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I like that
[01:58] <Fujitsu> What a silly long version number, zul.
[01:59] <Fujitsu> Can somebody please approve the sync in bug #53421.
[01:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53421 in gphpedit "Please sync gphpedit 0.9.80-3 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53421
[01:59] <Fujitsu> *?
[01:59] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: I'll take a look...
[02:00] <yosch> the trouble is that this bug is rather hairy...
[02:01] <Kyral> Hehe if you could I'd have the most filed against :P
[02:01] <Fujitsu> Thanks, sistpoty.
[02:01] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: np
[02:03] <warpup_lite> like.. yo.. and stuff
[02:03] <Fujitsu> If you could file bugs on people, I'd certainly file one about Thilo Six, and probably one about sabdfl not having signed the CoC 1.0.1.
[02:03] <Fujitsu> Hi, warpup_lite.
[02:03] <warpup_lite> hi @ fuji :)
[02:04] <Kyral> How about one on me not running Ubuntu anymore :P
[02:04] <warpup_lite> what you running now @ kyral?
[02:04] <Kyral> ArchLinux on the Desktop and Laptop, Xen Debian on my Server
[02:04] <warpup_lite> ahh
[02:04] <Kyral> the XenGuests run Debian Testing or Stable
[02:05] <Kyral> I forgot which
[02:05] <warpup_lite> sounds groovy
[02:05] <warpup_lite> archlinux is a gentoo derivative isn't it?
[02:05] <Fujitsu> Aha. Another request for pam_keyring on ubuntu-devel.
[02:05] <Kyral> The Xensource site has a nifty little script to get around /lib/tls problems when running an upgrade
[02:05] <Fujitsu> Not as far as I know, warpup_lite.
[02:05] <Kyral> warpup_lite: Slack based, in philosopy
[02:05] <warpup_lite> ahh
[02:05] <Kyral> Keep It Simple Stupid
[02:06] <Kyral> though I have read that Judd really wrote pacman to manage his LFS install at first, then that became the core of Arch
[02:06] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[02:06] <Kyral> Rubix is Slack+Pacman (literally)
[02:08] <warpup_lite> it's been raining like crazy for a 200 mile radius around where im at.. but not one drop of rain for me =|
[02:12] <warpup_lite> man..the chat is going so fast i can't keep up :~
[02:12] <LaserJock> people are working I suppose
[02:12] <warpup_lite> hmm
[02:12] <bddebian> NOt me, I don't do anything
[02:12] <warpup_lite> haha @ bd
[02:12] <warpup_lite> it's saturday for me ~shrugs~
[02:13] <warpup_lite> something wrong with the wiki?
[02:14] <bddebian> Fujitsu: What, that I'm a Dog? :)
[02:14] <LaserJock> not that I know of
[02:14] <Fujitsu> bddebian, not that bit :P
[02:14] <bddebian> warpup_lite: 8:15PM Sat here
[02:14] <warpup_lite> 7:14 here
[02:14] <LaserJock> 5:15PM here
[02:14] <warpup_lite> you must be east coast
[02:15] <warpup_lite> ya'lls clocks are fast
[02:15] <bddebian> warpup_lite: Yep
[02:15] <warpup_lite> :)
[02:15] <bddebian> PA
[02:15] <warpup_lite> groovy
[02:15] <warpup_lite> <-- missippi
[02:16] <warpup_lite> my figs tree have been providing about two dozen very fat figs daily for about a week now :)
[02:16] <warpup_lite> fig trees
[02:17] <bddebian> Nice
[02:17] <warpup_lite> yah.. i eat'em raw
[02:17] <warpup_lite> tastilicious and good for you
[02:18] <warpup_lite> wonder if somebody is DoS'ing yahoo
[02:19] <warpup_lite> yahoo mail, yahoo chat, yahoo tv listinsg.... all down for several hours now
[02:20] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm, gri and lattice were new upstream versions? or debian revisions?
[02:21] <bddebian> LaserJock: Lattice is a new upstream release
[02:22] <warpup_lite> yagisan... really?
[02:22] <Yagisan> yes
[02:22] <warpup_lite> hmm.. lemme flip my DNS
[02:22] <Fujitsu> Is anybody else packaging pam_keyring?
[02:22] <Yagisan> I'm still getting spam^W email
[02:25] <yosch> crimsun: just posted the updated package + sent the debdiff for ttf-gentium
[02:25] <warpup_lite> hmm
[02:26] <warpup_lite> i can get to all other web places... cept for yahoo stuffs
[02:26] <warpup_lite> hmm
[02:26] <warpup_lite> even if i try public dns
[02:26] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh, gri was a new upstream release also
[02:26] <warpup_lite> le weird
[02:27] <LaserJock> bddebian: ok, I'd like to not give too much work for ubuntu-archive
[02:28] <warpup_lite> i can ping yahoo stuffs
[02:30] <bddebian> LaserJock: You want me to quit?
[02:31] <LaserJock> bddebian: no, but perhaps don't request for new Debian revisions just yet
[02:39] <bddebian> LaserJock: As you command
[02:39] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:40] <LaserJock> well I'm just trying to cover your back here
[02:40] <LaserJock> don't want you getting yelled at
[02:40] <bddebian> Fuck it, they all dislike me anyway :-)
[02:40] <LaserJock> no, actually it's more useful to do the normal merges/syncs
[02:41] <LaserJock> I'm guessing Keybuck will run a sync at some point before the Universe Freeze
[02:41] <LaserJock> so they should be automatically grabbed
[02:42] <bddebian> So just do the merges?
[02:42] <LaserJock> for now, I guess
[02:43] <LaserJock> I think new upstream versions might be worth while so we can get testing in
[02:43] <LaserJock> but if somebody just fixed a typo I don't think we should bother the archive admins
[02:48] <yosch> is it possible to request a merge for a particular package?
[02:48] <yosch> what's the procedure? any pointer to docs I missed?
[02:49] <zul> yeah you can get bddebian to do that ;)
[02:49] <sistpoty> yosch: do you want to request a sync?
[02:49] <yosch> sistpoty: yes, any tips on how I need to do it?
[02:51] <yosch> put it down on the wiki page?
[02:51] <yosch> or just ask here?
[02:51] <Fujitsu> yosch, which package?
[02:51] <sistpoty> yosch: 1) make sure the ubuntu changes (if any) can be dropped 2) testbuild the debian package 3) file a bug against the sourcepackage according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources 4) have a motu ack the sync
[02:52] <yosch> OK, thanks
[02:52] <yosch> 1) no changes
[02:52] <yosch> 2) package is building fine
[02:53] <yosch> doing 3)
[02:54] <sistpoty> yosch: oh, I forget 3.5 (since that's part of every build I do): verify that the built package installs and upgrades fine on edgy (piuparts does that trick)
[02:54] <sistpoty> 2.5 even
[02:55] <LaserJock> that reminds me
[02:56] <bddebian> Someone have an Edgy machine handy?
[02:56] <sistpoty> bddebian: I'm just using one
[02:57] <bddebian> sistpoty: Could you do an update and see if grass 6.0.2-2.1ubuntu1 is in the archive yet?
[02:58] <sistpoty> bddebian: 6.0.1-1ubuntu2 (source)... but I may be delayed one day (since I use a german mirror)
[02:58] <LaserJock> ok, I need some quick advice about chroots
[02:58] <bddebian> Ah OK, thanks
[02:59] <sistpoty> np
[02:59] <LaserJock> I need to update with how to install lang packs
[02:59] <LaserJock> but what whould be the appropriate package to install?
[02:59] <LaserJock> !info grass edgy
[02:59] <ubotu> grass: Geographic Resources Analysis Support System. In repository universe, is extra. Version 6.0.1-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 5534 kB, installed size 13804 kB
[03:00] <sistpoty> LaserJock: can you give some more details? (or a wiki-link?)
[03:01] <LaserJock> sistpoty: on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot there is a line to apt-get install locales
[03:01] <LaserJock> but that is not correct for Dapper+
[03:01] <LaserJock> instead you should install the appropriate lang-pack
[03:01] <yosch> sistpoty: hum, how do I run piupart for edgy (from dapper)
[03:01] <LaserJock> but there is language-pack-XX, language-pack-XX-base, and language-support
[03:02] <LaserJock> I'm guessing language-support is not what I want since that is for firefox and OO.o etc.
[03:02] <sistpoty> yosch: it has an option to use the pbuilder chroot... see the manpage
[03:04] <LaserJock> ?
[03:04] <LaserJock> it looks me me like language-pack-XX and language-pack-XX-base have a circular dependency
[03:08] <LaserJock> oh, I guess maybe -base is the big stuff and then language-pack-XX has the updated translations
[03:10] <fowlduck> howdy peoples of earth
[03:10] <sistpoty> LaserJock: from my guess, it's language-pack-XY, but I don't have much clue about that really
[03:12] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I'm going for
[03:15] <bddebian> Heya fowlduck
[03:17] <LaserJock> fowlduck: remember this is Universe, don't be so narrow in your greetings ;-)
[03:17] <LaserJock> sistpoty: looks like you got a bite on -motu :-)
[03:19] <fowlduck> is us.archive.ubuntu.com not accessible?
[03:19] <sistpoty> LaserJock: just reading it ;)... but it's better to get negative feedback than none at all *g*
[03:20] <LaserJock> that's called "opening a dialogue" :-)
[03:21] <fowlduck> hey, what's the link to all those packages up for review again?
[03:22] <LaserJock> revu.tauware.de
[03:22] <LaserJock> can you make less not wrap lines?
[03:22] <bddebian> fowlduck: Yes us.archive.. is having issues
[03:23] <fowlduck> ok, cool, it's not just me
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian ;0
[03:54] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hi LaserJock, how are you doing?
[03:54] <LaserJock> ok
[03:55] <LaserJock> it's hot here today
[03:55] <LaserJock> and I did a lot of digging in the back yard this morning
[03:55] <LaserJock> so I've been sweating non-stop all day :/
[04:05] <zul> hey hobsee
[04:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: heh, I'm grepping all my irc logs for packaging guide references
[04:09] <LaserJock> I'm trying to find every time somebody had complained about something in the packaging guide since Dapper was released
[04:09] <LaserJock> so I can fix it :-)
[04:10] <bddebian> Joy :-)
[04:10] <bddebian> I'm debating whether to try to fix axiom or not.. :-(
[04:11] <bddebian> upstream seems to be pretty dead
[04:11] <crimsun> "yes, you will"
[04:11] <bddebian> crimsun: ?
[04:11] <crimsun> "yes, you wll fix axiom"
[04:11] <crimsun> will ^
[04:12] <bddebian> Hmm, why is that? :-)
[04:12] <crimsun> because you love fixing packages!
[04:12] <bddebian> I do?
[04:13] <crimsun> sure!
[04:15] <bddebian> If you say so
[04:16] <zul> crimsun: he cant do anything else ;)
[04:17] <LaserJock> you fix a lot more than me bddebian
[04:18] <LaserJock> sistpoty: mjg59 commented on your email to -motu?
[04:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: of course he can
[04:19] <sistpoty> LaserJock: sheesh... mixing up nicks here...
[04:20] <ajmitch> hehe
[04:20] <sistpoty> LaserJock: it was mpalmer (at least a match with first names)
[04:20] <ajmitch> matthew palmer == womble
[04:20] <ajmitch> who's been around here sometimes
[04:20] <sistpoty> a righto... thanks
[04:20] <zul> womble?
[04:21] <ajmitch> he hasn't been in this channel for awhile though
[04:21] <sistpoty> btw. hi ajmitch ;)
[04:21] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty, how's it going?
[04:21] <sistpoty> ajmitch: finally I've got a little bit more spare time to spend on ubuntu :)
[04:21] <ajmitch> great :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hi zul
[04:22] <LaserJock> sistpoty: and possibly REVU2? :-)
[04:22] <sistpoty> for sure :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah.  tickling, then.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hi sistpoty, i think i stole a merge of yours - hope that's okay
[04:23] <sistpoty> Hobbsee: sure, go ahead ;)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: hehe :)
[04:24] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'll just ignore any reminders or encouragements for me to do merges
[04:24] <ajmitch> since I'll do them in my own time, when I feel like it
[04:24] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: i figure that most merges there now are fair game, as they havent been done yet.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh, i'm leaving all of yours alone.
[04:24] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:26] <bddebian> Hmmm
[04:26] <Hobbsee> oh excellent, i can fix kdar now.
[04:27] <bddebian> Hobbsee: BTW, I sent a "fix" for hamlib to Debian but haven't heard anything back yet
[04:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: I just did praat btw
[04:27] <Hobbsee> bddebian: oh good - thankyou ;0
[04:28] <zul> bbl
[04:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: oh, thanks for telling me beforehand
[04:30] <bddebian> Sorry dude
[04:30] <bddebian> I was getting over zealous on Science packages
[04:31] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: that's been known to cause permanent damage to keyboards and is unadvisable
[04:31] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hehe
[04:31] <Hobbsee> but...but...
[04:33] <lukaswayne9> I have a package that I have got into universe.  What steps should I do to make sure it gets back into Debian?
[04:34] <bddebian> lukaswayne9: Back into Debian?
[04:34] <lukaswayne9> well, not back into debian
[04:34] <lukaswayne9> but into debian
[04:35] <bddebian> Ah
[04:35] <crimsun> lukaswayne9: http://mentors.debian.net
[04:42] <LaserJock> crimsun: "kponies_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz", ohh that is tooo much, haha :-)
[04:42] <bddebian> hehe
[04:42] <bddebian> I can't even get a simple fucking hello in -devel half the time..
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:43] <lukaswayne9> Crap, what dist should I put in my control If i'm putting my edgy package to mentors? sid?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bddebian: dont worry, i dont either
[04:43] <lukaswayne9> or unstable?
[04:43] <bddebian> unstable
[04:44] <lukaswayne9> i accidently just uploaded it witht he edgy control file
[04:44] <lukaswayne9> they probably think i'm some real tool
[04:44] <bddebian> They will live :-)
[04:44] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Oh really?  <jdub> morning Hobbsee
[04:44] <lukaswayne9> should I reupload you think?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yes, that was very rare.
[04:47] <LaserJock> the island people have to stick together ;-)
[04:47] <bddebian> Heh
[04:49] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hah
[04:50] <lukaswayne9> So now that i've uploaded my package to mentors... That's all I need to do?  I've done my deed as a good samaritan and I can go on with life?
[04:52] <ajmitch> excellent, pbuilder on my laptop seems to be rather broken
[04:52] <bddebian> w00t
[04:53] <ajmitch> as in, I copied over the base tarball from my main box & it's still broken
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah, great.  was that the one that was broken while you were still here?
[04:54] <sistpoty> lukaswayne9: send a mail with RFS to debian-mentors (you can get a template from the webpage)
[04:54] <lukaswayne9> alright
[04:54] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: no, this is the one where sudo asks for a password & fails
[04:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahh..
[05:03] <sistpoty> damn... I wanted to go to bed early this evening... now dawn is breaking again :/
[05:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> someone pinged me? its gone out of xchats buffer :|
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah well. heading out.
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbbl
[05:08] <Hobbsee> bye a
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ll
[05:15] <bddebian> WTF is this?  (defentry |hashCombine| (int int) (int "MYCOMBINE"))
[05:15] <bddebian>  Or at least what is (int int) (int "MYCOMBINE")) ?
[05:15] <ajmitch> functional programming
[05:16] <bddebian> Well MYCOMBINE is declared earlier as an unsigned int so how do I fix that?  Can I do:  (int int) (unsigned int "MYCOMBINE")) ?
[05:16] <ajmitch> not enough context
[05:17] <_jaldhar> is anyone else having problems reaching us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:17] <LaserJock> yes
[05:17] <bddebian> _jaldhar: Yes
[05:17] <jaldhar> poo
[05:17] <LaserJock> I never use us.a.u.c though
[05:17] <sistpoty> bddebian: what language is that? c?
[05:18] <jaldhar> looks like haskell to me
[05:18] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I was going to say Klingon but apparantly not
[05:18] <ajmitch> jaldhar: ah, it looked functional, I didn't know what language though
[05:18] <sistpoty> jaldhar: no, haskell would be int -> int -> unsigned int ...
[05:18] <bddebian> ANy of you lispers?  http://pastebin.us/1815
[05:18] <bddebian> sistpoty: lisp generating C afaict
[05:18] <jaldhar> ajmitch: actually sistpoty is right
[05:19] <jaldhar> I bought a book on haskell but haven't actually got around to reading it yet
[05:20] <jaldhar> would ubuntu be interested in a package of seamonkey?
[05:20] <ajmitch> probably, if it's sane
[05:21] <ajmitch> I can't imagine it'd be a fun one to package
[05:21] <jaldhar> I'm packaging it for Debian and Linspire anyway so one more wouldn't hurt.
[05:21] <ajmitch> if you're getting it into debian it can just go into ubuntu anyway
[05:22] <sistpoty> bddebian: not quite sure, but try removing line 3?
[05:22] <jaldhar> ajmitch: ok.  Right now my package isn't fully policy compliant so I haven't uploaded it.  It's a real beast.
[05:22] <ajmitch> as I'd expect :)
[05:23] <crimsun> bddebian: yes, make it (defentry |hashCombine| (int int) (unsigned int "MYCOMBINE"))
[05:24] <crimsun> in fact, all three of those 'int's should be 'unsigned int's
[05:24] <bddebian> Hey did fix the first error on my own though.. :-)
[05:25] <sistpoty> oh, yes... crimsun (is right) -> true ;)
[05:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: sometimes it's easier to just test whatever comes to mind
[05:26] <bddebian> Well as you are probably already aware, I am pretty unsure of myself :-)
[05:26] <crimsun> hmm, coffee.
[05:26] <sistpoty> ajmitch: is this your approach to functional programming? :P
[05:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's just a local build, you can't break too much
[05:26] <ajmitch> sistpoty: it's my approach to development - try things & pick up the pieces later :)
[05:26] <bddebian> Functional?  What's functional about it, it's hideous :-)
[05:26] <sistpoty> hehe
[05:27] <sistpoty> oh... damn, I need to ping infinity for both bootstrapping fpc (all arches) and sbcl (two arches)... I'll do that after the WE *g*
[05:28] <jaldhar> bah it looks like many mirrors don't carry edgy
[05:28] <ajmitch> by the number of duplicates that get filed, malone either doesn't make it obvious for existing bugs, or people don't look
[05:29] <bddebian> @#$%%@#%
[05:30] <sistpoty> bddebian: is that brainfuck? ;)
[05:30] <bddebian> Feels like it ;-)
[05:30] <bddebian> No, they are .lisp files so I assume lisp
[05:31] <sistpoty> bddebian: I was referring to your comment "@#$%%@#%" ;)
[05:31] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[05:31] <jaldhar> doh I was looking at a list of cd mirrors
[05:32] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[05:32] <ajmitch> 'night' sistpoty :)
[05:32] <bddebian> Gnight sistpoty
[05:36] <bddebian> Why do the i386 build logs never seem to show on buildd.debian.org?
[05:37] <ajmitch> because most people upload i386 binaries
[05:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:37] <ajmitch> and so they're not autobuilt
[05:37] <ajmitch> debian doesn't do source-only uploads like ubuntu
[05:37] <LaserJock> it's an interesting thing
[05:38] <bddebian> Well I can't believe that axiom actually builds in Debian
[05:38] <ajmitch> heh
[05:38] <ajmitch> people still filing bugs against hoary
[05:39] <ajmitch> I find it hard to believe they're running hoary, since they have zope2.9
[05:39] <bddebian> "built it myself".. ;-)
[05:40] <ajmitch> or grabbed from debian
[05:40] <bddebian> Aye
[05:41] <ajmitch> looks like they've got a mix of packages from all over the place
[05:42] <ajmitch> how annoying
[05:42] <LaserJock> yeah, LP should automatically grab their source.list and attach it to the bug report ;-)
[05:42] <ajmitch> I wish
[05:43] <bddebian> Heh
[05:43] <ajmitch> I'll get back to it later, have to go out now
[05:43] <bddebian> Hmm, this isn't good:
[05:43] <bddebian> Loading /axiom/axiom-20050901/obj/linux/interp/hash.o
[05:43] <bddebian> mem_value is undefined
[06:53] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:23] <Amaranth> is /etc/pam.d/common-auth a debian thing or a global thing?
[07:26] <StevenK> Debian, from what I remember.
[07:27] <Amaranth> fun
[07:27] <Amaranth> oh well, i'm making this program for edubuntu anyway
[07:33] <ajmitch> Amaranth: what do you need to play with pam for?
[07:40] <Amaranth> ajmitch: authenticating a user from a web interface
[07:41] <Amaranth> although i need to know if they're an sudo'er so maybe just using that would be good
[07:43] <ajmitch> how evil :)
[07:43] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:43] <Amaranth> got a better way? :)
[07:43] <ajmitch> you're using apache here?
[07:43] <Amaranth> nope, custom
[07:43] <ajmitch> thought so
[07:44] <ajmitch> what do you mean by authenticating user from the web interface?
[07:44] <ajmitch> just checking the username/password they supply against the system one?
[07:44] <Amaranth> the user has to be root or have sudo access to the machine for them to be able to use the web interface
[07:44] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:45] <ajmitch> checking username/password can be done simply from your app using the pam libs
[07:45] <Amaranth> you have to run as root for that to work
[07:45] <Amaranth> unless you have a magic file in /etc/pam.d/
[07:46] <ajmitch> wonderful
[07:46] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:46] <ajmitch> unix_chkpwd may help
[07:47] <ajmitch> though it's not meant to be called directly
[07:47] <Amaranth> gnome-screensaver's package has the magic file to put in /etc/pam.d/ that includes /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[07:47] <Amaranth> so i'm thinking it's the suggested way of doing things
[07:47] <ajmitch> generally, yes
[07:48] <ajmitch> it's not hard to put a file in there
[07:48] <Amaranth> the real problem is checking sudo access
[07:48] <ajmitch> since most of them just use the common files
[07:48] <ajmitch> ask pitti about that
[07:48] <Amaranth> pitti did the menu stuff?
[07:49] <ajmitch> he knows what's going on with sudo & what patches we carry that may make it easier
[07:57] <Amaranth> oh yay, the work is done for me there
[07:57] <Amaranth> use pam to make sure the user/pass is right then check to see if the user is in the admin group
[07:59] <Amaranth> now i can go to bed :)
[08:00] <ajmitch> assuming that they use sudo that way :)
[08:23] <DBO> Is here an acceptable place to ask for packaging help?
[08:26] <Gloubiboulga> DBO, yep, here :)
[08:27] <DBO> I decided checkinstall wasnt cutting dice for me, I wanted to start doing thing the right way, so for my first project I picked bonfire
[08:28] <DBO> its building and working fine when I dont try to make a proper deb out of it, but when i run dpkg-buildpackege I get this error:
[08:28] <DBO> No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated.
[08:28] <DBO> and im not sure what to do about that
[08:30] <Gloubiboulga> /me tries to find an answer :)
[08:30] <DBO> my google-fu has failed me...
[08:31] <DBO> if its of any help, if I just do a ./configure, make, and make install it works fine, I am also using the new maintainers guide
[08:32] <Gloubiboulga> could you paste the whole dpkg-buildpackage output on pastebin?
[08:32] <DBO> sure
[08:33] <DBO> will the last 500 lines do or you want the whole thing?
[08:33] <Gloubiboulga> a few lines before it fails
[08:33] <Gloubiboulga> do you call dh_desktop in debian/rules?
[08:33] <DBO> http://pastebin.ca/96819
[08:34] <DBO> no
[08:38] <Gloubiboulga> google doesn't help me either, and I've never seen this error
[08:38] <DBO> im so close... I can taste the deb
[08:39] <DBO> is there any way to tell it not to bother with the apps menu?
[08:40] <Gloubiboulga> check with './configure --help'
[08:40] <Gloubiboulga> bbiab
[08:41] <DBO> that wont help me much though because the dpkg-buildpackage is just going to re-run that...
[08:45] <DBO> the command is being issues from the bonfire.spec file (well thats where its being found) I just commented it to see whats going to happen
[08:51] <Gloubiboulga> DBO, comment it in data/Makefile.in
[08:51] <DBO> its not in there
[08:51] <DBO> its not part of the compile or make process
[08:51] <Gloubiboulga> I have to leave, I'll be back later and check the sources
[08:52] <DBO> ok
[08:52] <DBO> wait
[08:52] <DBO> one last question
[08:53] <DBO> do you have to run dpkg-buldpackage as root!?
[08:53] <crimsun> for packaging purposes, yes, hence fakeroot.
[08:53] <DBO> Im using fakeroot, but update-desktop-database is still erroring out
[08:53] <crimsun> post your Debianised source package online somewhere so we can poke at debian/rules
[08:54] <crimsun> that error's not related to fakeroot
[08:54] <DBO> it hasnt quote gotten to the point of being a package =P
[08:54] <crimsun> doesn't really matter how far it has progressed if you want to resolve the dh_desktop issue
[08:55] <DBO> hrm, should dh_desktop be in my rules?
[08:55] <DBO> Im sorry, Im a first timer at this
[08:56] <crimsun> it should be, yes, but we need to find where update-desktop-database is being poked
[08:56] <DBO> its being poked in bonfire.spec
[08:56] <DBO> you want me to tar up the whole thing?
[08:57] <crimsun> ... why the .spec? Why is that even being poked?
[08:58] <DBO> all I know is thats why I managed to find the command
[08:58] <DBO> my debian/rules does not have a dh_desktop
[08:59] <crimsun> it's going to be quite difficult to assist unless you post the Debianised source package somewhere
[08:59] <DBO> there uhm... isnt one afaik?
[09:00] <crimsun> then what are you working with?
[09:00] <DBO> just the source I got off of the developers site
[09:01] <No1Viking> Have trouble with my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. Cant get OpenGL to work with hardware. At the moment it's emulated by software. Installed fglrx according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto and got the result as follows in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18672. Any good ideas?
[09:01] <crimsun> right, but didn't you create the debian/ infrastructure?
[09:01] <DBO> yes
[09:01] <crimsun> No1Viking: -> #ubuntu
[09:01] <DBO> dh_make and all that jazz
[09:01] <DBO> oh you wanna see the debian directory?
[09:01] <crimsun> DBO: so that's the Debianised source; have you generated the source package?
[09:01] <DBO> nooo
[09:01] <crimsun> the source package-> orig.tar.gz+dsc+diff.gz
[09:02] <DBO> uhm..
[09:02] <crimsun> ok, just tar up the whole shebang and post it somewhere.
[09:03] <DBO> hmmm, can I email it to you?
[09:03] <crimsun> only if you don't have Web space.
[09:03] <DBO> that would be an affirm
[09:03] <crimsun> crimsun at ubuntu dot com
[09:11] <DBO> im sorry, its gott be the rules file, I just dont understand it yet...
[09:12] <DBO> sent
[09:19] <DBO> erm, I didnt mean to send two files...
[09:21] <crimsun> (will check in a few minutes, on the phone presently)
[09:21] <DBO> sorry
[09:22] <DBO> I figured out part of whats going wrong (not that it will be much help for you) but I was wrong about the spec file, its doing this with install-data-hook...
[09:30] <DBO> you know what crimsun, im sure if I poke at this for the next week or so Ill eventually get it, I have a good idea where the error lay now, I just have to figure out what I am messing up, but I dont need to bother you for that...
[09:30] <DBO> thanks for everything though
[09:33] <crimsun> DBO: Gauvain was correct; look in data/Makefile.in
[09:34] <crimsun> lines 29[78]  according to my $COLUMNS
[09:34] <crimsun> DBO: those should be commented out, because Ubuntu does its own thing w/ dh_desktop in debian/rules
[09:35] <DBO> crimsun, ok, thank you, I will keep that in mind from now on =)
[09:35] <crimsun> np
[09:37] <DBO> erm...
[09:38] <DBO> what does 29[78]  notation mean?
[09:41] <Gloubiboulga> 297 and 298
[09:41] <DBO> hah...
[01:21] <Hobbsee> hi all
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb Hobbsee
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:17] <zul> did the data center fall off the face of the earth?
[02:18] <phanatic> zul: looks like
[02:20] <zul> grrr..
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. sarge doesnt have -security in its vims syntax for changelogs eitehr *feels better for ubuntu*
[02:23] <tseng> I'm baffled why thats even worth a patch
[02:30] <ThiefOfBaghdad> heya MOTUs
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hi ThiefOfBaghdad
[02:31] <ThiefOfBaghdad> Hobbsee> hi
[02:31] <Hobbsee> yay!  i actually am a MOTU now :P
[02:34] <ThiefOfBaghdad> Hobbsee> do you any way to install Ubuntu Dapper without actually entering into the Desktop, i,e the old non GUI interface way.?
[02:34] <phanatic> ThiefOfBaghdad: alternate cd
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ThiefOfBaghdad: server install
[02:35] <ThiefOfBaghdad> Oops. So people who are installing for the first time on their systems have to undergo this slowness in installation is it?
[02:37] <StevenK> I haven't found the installation slow.
[02:37] <StevenK> I find Ubuntu installs in about the same time it'd take me to do a Debian install.
[02:38] <ThiefOfBaghdad> StevenK> nope. It does not even move after language settings on my dads ACER laptop
[02:39] <StevenK> What's the step after language settings?
[02:39] <StevenK> I can't recall the 7 steps or so of the Dapper installer.
[02:40] <ThiefOfBaghdad> i dunno since I have always done a dist-upgrade on my laptop :)
[02:41] <StevenK> The reason I can't recall is I have installed Dapper once. :-)
[02:41] <StevenK> And that was a play install in a VMware instance.
[02:41] <StevenK> Hobbsee: What are the steps, then? :-P
[02:42] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hmmm....
[02:42] <Hobbsee> language, country, keyboard, partitioning, timezone, set up new user, grub, reboot.
[02:43] <StevenK> Nicely done!
[02:43] <ThiefOfBaghdad> Hobbsee> which wiki you took it from?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> maybe timezone and new user is in the other order
[02:43] <Hobbsee> ThiefOfBaghdad: the wiki in my brain :P
[02:43] <StevenK> ThiefOfBaghdad: I'd suggest stracing the install since you have a live instance to work from.
[02:44] <ThiefOfBaghdad> StevenK> hmm
[02:52] <slomo> is someone a bit bored? i have a nice task... fixing texlive-bin to build :)
[02:53] <StevenK> slomo: Do you have a failure?
[02:53] <StevenK> Sigh.
[02:53] <StevenK> A log of the build failure
[02:53] <slomo> yes, in LP which is down at unfortunately :P
[02:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:53] <slomo> one moment, let me paste it somewhere
[02:54] <StevenK> LP's down?
[02:54] <slomo> StevenK: http://pastebin.ca/97142
[02:54] <slomo> damn, a part is missing
[02:55] <StevenK> Whee
[02:55] <StevenK> ../../../../../TeX/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/pdftoepdf.cc:1000: error: cannot convert 'UGooString*' to 'char*' in assignment
[02:55] <slomo> http://pastebin.ca/97143
[02:55] <slomo> that's the complete one
[02:55] <slomo> the same error a dozen times
[02:56] <slomo> builds fine in debian for some reason but not for us
[02:56] <StevenK> Interesting.
[02:57] <Arbiter> uhm... someone updated mono packages... :)
[02:57] <slomo> Arbiter: yes, me... why?
[02:57] <slomo> StevenK: will you look at it? :)
[02:58] <Arbiter> slomo, good.. i was waiting for 1.1.16 packages :D
[02:58] <Arbiter> even if it's marked as "beta"
[02:59] <Arbiter> is launchpad down?
[02:59] <slomo> Arbiter: the previous ones were more "beta" ;)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: yes
[02:59] <StevenK> slomo: I suspect it may require some knowledge of the codebase, but I can try.
[02:59] <Arbiter> aw
[02:59] <Arbiter> slomo, hehe :)
[02:59] <Arbiter> slomo, did you give a look to libgimp-cil?
[02:59] <Arbiter> with libgimp2.0-dev seems to place things in right place
[03:00] <tuxmaniac> ubuntu.com also down?
[03:00] <slomo> StevenK: i guess UGooString comes from poppler
[03:00] <Arbiter> tuxmaniac, seems down too :(
[03:00] <tuxmaniac> ugh! :(
[03:01] <slomo> StevenK: so maybe it only needs a bit of porting to a new poppler API or something
[03:01] <StevenK> Maybe. It also involves poking poppler to, then,
[03:01] <StevenK> s/,$/./
[03:02] <Arbiter> slomo, otherwise i can't test/use the updated packages :P
[03:02] <Arbiter> s/otherwise//g
[03:03] <Arbiter> (i mean mono)
[03:03] <Arbiter> 3d acceleration doesn't work well in edgy so i reinstalled dapper :P
[03:04] <slomo> StevenK: hm, i guess i'll look at it now... i found a patch :)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: yeah, known problem.  fix it :P
[03:04] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, i don't have the required knowledge to make a patch that works :P
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: more than one patch :P
[03:04] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, and i can't figure where's the problem :P
[03:04] <Arbiter> mesa? X? ati? libGL ati implementation?
[03:05] <Arbiter> :)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> it's borked here too, which doenst mean it's ati specific.
[03:05] <StevenK> slomo: Heh
[03:05] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, yeah but you told about low framerates
[03:05] <Arbiter> here it's only a render freeze after 6-7 secs
[03:06] <Arbiter> s/after/every
[03:06] <Arbiter> :)
[03:35] <slomo> StevenK: ok, fixed :)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> slomo: yay :)
[03:37] <slomo> Hobbsee: good luck :P
[03:38] <Hobbsee> slomo: :p
[03:39] <StevenK> slomo: Nice.
[03:49] <slomo> now someone only needs to fix the servers :P
[03:49] <ajmitch> they're "working on it"
[03:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:50] <ajmitch> hello
[03:53] <ajmitch> hello StevenK
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: do you know how much bandwidth a typical ssh session will use in an hour?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> or in whatever time quantitiy?
[04:01] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Not a great deal.
[04:02] <StevenK> ssh is very low bandwidth, and can be made lower by using -C
[04:02] <Hobbsee> StevenK: that's what i thought.  wonder why dad's whinging about the bandwith having gone up so high.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> what's -C do?
[04:02] <StevenK> Compresses the stream over the wire
[04:02] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: if it just sits there, it'll consume just about nothing.  If you transfer a lot of data, you'll obviously use lots of bandwidth.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: right, yep
[04:03] <StevenK> There's a keep-alive, but that's like next to nothing every five minutes
[04:03] <Hobbsee> i didnt think edgy had *that* many updates, although i upgraded twice.
[04:03] <Mithrandir> StevenK: "oh noes, a packet every five minutes.  I'm sure the payload is, like, a whopping 20 bytes or so too!"
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:04] <StevenK> "Plus the header, that makes it 68 bytes! I'm doomed!"
[04:05] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I'd look at other things than SSH for stuff which eats bandwidth.  Sure you or your father hasn't been listening to web radio or something?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: could well be, but i doubt it.  edgy updates would be the likely cause, or uploading stuff to the repos.  probably the former.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> (or massive windows updates, of course0
[04:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:07] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: edgy updates would count for a bit, I guess, yes.
[04:12] <bddebian> Gnight ajmitch
[04:19] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, at least you come back :|, ubuntu.c hasnt afaik
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: heh
[04:33] <^ohoel> someone carpet bombed the datacenter area
[04:35] <zealot> anyone know what happened to *ubuntu.com?
[04:36] <zealot> as in why it is down
[04:44] <Cornellius> Someone spilled coffee on the keyboard
[04:45] <bddebian> Coffee?  I heard it was Whiskey? ;-P
[04:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:46] <Cornellius> Yeah HIC wathever
[04:46] <bddebian> Well crud, if I can't pull source, I can't do any work :-(
[04:47] <Hobbsee> bddebian: hehe, yeah, that's what i thoght.  and even if you can do that, you certainly cant upload
[04:49] <slomo> bddebian: you can get the source from a mirror
[04:49] <bddebian> I guess I could work on axiom some more but I really need some help.. :-(
[04:49] <Hobbsee> bddebian: what's up with axiom?  i dont remember
[04:50] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Well I fix some C bugs but then one of the object files doesn't get produced it seems but I don't get any errors and I can't figure out why :-(
[04:50] <bddebian> And I don't know shit about lisp..
[04:50] <Hobbsee> bddebian: right, great
[04:50] <bddebian> Not that I know shit about anything..
[04:51] <Hobbsee> sure you do
[04:51] <slomo> bddebian: i gave up on axiom in breezy or dapper because of that :P i had more interesting things to do
[04:51] <bddebian> slomo: Ack, I was just going to ask you for help :-)
[04:53] <Cornellius> bddebian ?
[04:54] <bddebian> ??
[04:55] <Hobbsee> [whisper]  psst...bddebian...is revu down?  we could probably do some reviewing, you know [/whisper\
[04:55] <Hobbsee> [whisper]  psst...bddebian...is revu down?  we could probably do some reviewing, you know [/whisper] 
[04:57] <bddebian> We?  What, do you have a mouse in your pocket? ;-P
[04:57] <Hobbsee> bddebian: well, we're both motu's now
[04:58] <bddebian> You and your mouse? :-)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no, you and i, you nut!  :P
[05:31] <Cornellius> bddebian: Though bddebian was some sort of distro based on debian
[05:32] !alindeman:*! Services problems.  We're looking into it
[05:45] <Enverex> crimsun, Are you there?
[05:51] <hub> I can't seems to be able to connect to the archive
[05:51] <hub> am I the only one with the problem?
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> u.c is down
[05:53] <hub> ok
[05:55] <Enverex> hmm
[05:55] <Enverex> E: uade_2.02-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file edgy
[05:56] <Gloubiboulga> lintian on ubuntu <edgy soen't know about edgy
[05:56] <Gloubiboulga> s/soen/doesn
[05:57] <Enverex> hmm, odd
[06:25] <Enverex> What's the command for uploading to REVU?
[06:34] <zul> did everything blow up?
[06:35] <Enverex> TOPIC!
[06:35] <Enverex> oh, wrong channel
[06:35] <Enverex> TOPIC! (of #ubuntu)
[06:36] <Gloubiboulga> Enverex, 'dput *source.changes' for a REVU upload
[06:36] <slomo> zul: didn't you ask this a few hours ago already? :)
[06:37] <Enverex> Gloubiboulga, Yeah, worked it out a little while ago, heh
[06:37] <zul> yeah but i thought someone might know whats going on?
[06:37] <slomo> Gloubiboulga, Enverex: dput revu *.changes... the default is ubuntu
[06:37] <Gloubiboulga> Enverex, I'm a bit slow today ;)
[06:37] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, right
[06:38] <Enverex> Yeah, I set revu to default in the config
[06:38] <Enverex> Although no-ones looked at my uploads from last week yet, heh
[06:38] <zul> meh...ill be back later
[06:39] <slomo> Enverex: that's normal unfortunately as everybody is busy with other stuff and there are far too many uploads to review on revu... the easiest to get something done is poking someone here to look at it ;)
[06:41] <Enverex> hmm
[06:44] <Enverex> So, anyone want to have a look at one of my uploads then? heh
[06:51] <Enverex> You have to be kidding me
[06:51] <Enverex> I just got banned form #ubuntu
[06:52] <Enverex> *from even
[07:03] <Enverex> meh
[07:26] <theCore> whoa, that blog entry is quite interesting: http://sztywny.titaniumhosting.com/2006/07/23/stiff-asks-great-programmers-answers/
[07:27] <theCore> It fits just right my thinking about great programmers
[08:07] <theCore> hmm... I should stop posting things in the wrong channels, sorry guys
[08:41] <nexu> whats wrong with ubuntu.com today ?
[08:48] <nixternal> nexu: primary and backup power failures at the data center
[08:49] <zul> heh...must be in kanata
[08:50] <nixternal> somthing big had to happen for primary and backup to go out
[08:50] <nixternal> and most all of the guys are probably at lugradio live
[09:11] <zul> hmm...quite dead
[09:15] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:19] <MacRules78> Is this a suitable channel to ask help with ubuntu...?
[09:19] <Sp4rKy> #ubuntu
[09:20] <phanatic> evening
[09:44] <phanatic> yay, the servers are up and running :)
[09:46] <zul> almost
[09:46] <slomo> bazaar.launchpad.net seems to be still down
[09:46] <zul> yay i can slack and read planet again
[09:47] <tseng> ubuntu planet is pretty yawn
[09:47] <zul> yeah but i still wanna slack off
[10:29] <Sp4rKy> debian/rules:4: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: No such file or directory
[10:29] <Sp4rKy> debian/rules:5: /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk: No such file or directory
[10:30] <Sp4rKy> i've this error
[10:30] <Sp4rKy> whereas i've cdbs installed :/
[10:31] <crimsun> cdbs doesn't list debhelper or autotools-dev as Depends; they're Recommends
[10:31] <crimsun> (i.e., install them)
[10:32] <Sp4rKy> they are ...
[10:33] <crimsun> they are what?
[10:33] <Sp4rKy> installed
[10:33] <crimsun> what's giving you those errors?
[10:34] <crimsun> rather, when are you getting them?
[10:34] <Sp4rKy> sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc ...
[10:34] <Sp4rKy> during pbuilder process
[10:34] <crimsun> well, do you build-depend on cdbs?
[10:35] <crimsun> you'd get those errors when cdbs is not installed, which in the pbuilder scenario is when you don't build-depend on cdbs
[10:38] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, i've addedd cdbs to BD ... wait pbuilding
[10:39] <Sp4rKy> same errors :/
[10:39] <crimsun> does your package use debian/control.in ?
[10:40] <crimsun> if so, it needs to be added there, not debian/control
[10:40] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, wait , i've done a mistake
[10:45] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[10:45] <crimsun> hi Toadstool
[10:45] <Toadstool> hi crimsun
[11:21] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool, crimsun
[11:21] <Toadstool> hey bddebian !
[11:22] <crimsun> hi bddebian
[11:23] <bddebian> So crimsun, you bored? ;-)
[11:23] <crimsun> no, I'm struggling with a gnome->kde conversion atm
[11:23] <bddebian> Oh
[11:25] <bddebian> Laser_away: I talked to panthera today.  If scilab doesn't change it's licensing they are probably going to drop it from Debian
[11:26] <crimsun> what's the current licensing?
[11:27] <bddebian> crimsun: It's non-free
[11:27] <bddebian> crimsun: And apparently it has been depending on libreadline for ages and no one caught it :-)
[11:28] <crimsun> well it still can be demoted to our multiverse
[11:29] <Toadstool> grah, wrong keyboard shortcut... :)
[11:29] <crimsun> though that will take much tomfoolery, since if it's ripped out of Debian it'll be autosynced out of Edgy, too.
[11:29] <bddebian> It's already in multivers afaik
[11:29] <slomo> crimsun: depends... if it's non-free code linking against GPLed libreadline i don't think it will be possible
[11:29] <crimsun> oh, excellent.
[11:29] <slomo> (to have it in multiverse)
[11:30] <bddebian> slomo: Aye, that is the problem
[11:30] <crimsun> yeah, I can see that being the route.
[11:30] <slomo> ok, so nothing for multiverse as well as it's a license violation
[11:30] <crimsun> no sweat off our backs in any case.
[11:33] <bddebian> Why would a desktop file for kde do exec=pymol %f but for gnome do  exec=pymol?
[11:33] <crimsun> one of them is incorrect
[11:34] <bddebian> Well, it shouldn't have seperate .desktop files to begin with :-)