[12:18] <Riddell> hi all
[12:18] <crimsun> hi.
[12:43] <bddebian> Heya Riddell
[12:45] <nixternal> so how was lugradio Riddell?
[12:46] <Riddell> good crack
[12:46] <Riddell> lots of happy kubuntu users
[12:47] <nixternal> sweet
[12:47] <nixternal> or, shall i say rockin' ?
[12:47] <nixternal> ;)
[12:50] <nixternal> Riddell: i tried to release UWN 7, but it bounced back waiting for approval..so if you have the chance/time, take a looksy..thank you sir
[12:52] <Riddell> nixternal: I can't approve stuff on that list, I can proofread thoug
[12:52] <Riddell> though
[12:52] <nixternal> ahh ok..crimsun already worked his magic on that part
[12:53] <Riddell> jdub's the only one who can approve that list
[12:53] <nixternal> alrighty then...i shall wait for the jdub
[01:21] <nixternal> btw, i still do not have kubuntu.org email...not really all that important, but i would like to have an "official" looking email address for business cards, especiall when advocating via the chicago team, and everywhere else ;)
[01:28] <Tonio_> hey Riddell
[01:29] <Tonio_> fine to see you, since we have a few issues with hobbsee concerning kopete
[01:31] <Tonio_> nixternal: are they supposed to work ?
[01:31] <Tonio_> I never tried those :)
[01:53] <nixternal> ya Tonio_, they are supposed to forward to your email address, at least I have been told so far..
[01:55] <Tonio_> nixternal: just tested and that works for me at least
[01:56] <nixternal> ya, i get a 550 error as it sends it back saying i don't exist yet
[01:57] <nixternal> it would be nice to get someting like rich.johnson@kubuntu.org or rich.johnson@ubuntu.com...that way there when i try to advocate to a corporate atmosphere, they don't see 'Nixternal'
[01:58] <Tonio_> strange....
[01:58] <Tonio_> I don't know who manages this
[02:00] <nixternal> i am thinking that either heno or jdub maybe
[02:12] <goldenear> Riddell: hi
[02:13] <goldenear> Riddell: I have an idea for edgy (and may be an update for dapper) : would it be possible to include a simple freedos image in the grub boot menu. This is pretty useful for bios or firmware updates
[02:15] <goldenear> I did this on my computer because I needed to update the bios of my motherboard... a simple freedos image on my hard drive, an entry in the grub menu.lst and I can boot on dos with the need of a floppy or a new partition :)
[02:15] <goldenear> Just an idea...
[02:18] <goldenear> This trick is already used for the memory test...
[02:20] <Tonio_> that can make sense indeed
[03:47] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:51] <nixternal> mornin' Hobbsee
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[03:52] <nixternal> you have come to the deadlands..irc has been very very quiet tonight/today/this morning ;)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you can always triage bugs.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> there are some *really* idiotic ones in malone
[03:53] <nixternal> i have been workin' on some docs and ubuntu chicago stuff
[03:54] <nixternal> those are my favorite ones
[03:58] <crimsun> Hobbsee: say, do you use a Compose key?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> crimsun: a what?
[03:59] <crimsun> something to allow you to type accented characters, among others
[04:00] <Hobbsee> oh.  no, not that i know of
[04:00] <crimsun> I haven't figured out the magic pixie dust necessary to get it working in Edgy's KDE
[04:02] <crimsun> meaning: I set a Compose key in K> System Settings> Regional & Accessibility> Keyboard Layout> Xkb Options> Compose Key Position, but it seems to do nothing
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:02] <crimsun> 'e
[04:03] <crimsun> (incorrect)
[04:08] <freeflying> morning all
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying 
[04:08] <crimsun> hi.
[04:08] <freeflying> hey Hobbsee  crimsun  
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hey cool, someone triaged kdelibs!
[04:10] <Hobbsee> they did one heck of a good job!
[04:12] <nixternal> oh man, what did i do now?
[04:13] <nixternal> the only thing i triaged today was an ice cream cone that i squeezed to hard and cracked
[04:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe
[04:13] <Hobbsee> hi lnxkde 
[04:13] <lnxkde> hi :)
[04:14] <lnxkde> how are you?
[04:14] <lnxkde> Hobbsee : :D I am updating to edgy right now :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: yay :)
[04:17] <lnxkde> :)
[04:17] <lnxkde> u using edgy right?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: right now, i'm emailing D-Link, as harris tech, the computer company i usually buy things from, wont tell me which revision of card they're selling, ie, which chipset.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:17] <Hobbsee> wpa and network manager are screwed on it, so's mesa
[04:18] <lnxkde> wpa?
[04:18] <lnxkde> wireless?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:19] <lnxkde> stores normally dont know nothing about the real specs other than the ones on the box
[04:19] <Hobbsee> yeah true....
[04:19] <lnxkde> normally I get this is only for windows.... and MAC
[04:20] <Hobbsee> i would have thought they could tell me the revision or something, by opening it
[04:20] <Hobbsee> it's only listed on the card
[04:21] <lnxkde> I hate when I get crapy hardware because I didnt know what chipset really is in the board
[04:22] <lnxkde> I have a HP m7170n media center pc
[04:22] <lnxkde> and the tv tuner model is in a compatibility list of working hardware for linux
[04:22] <lnxkde> 'but
[04:22] <lnxkde> my model has a little little change...
[04:22] <lnxkde> and that makes it Windows only for the moment :(
[04:23] <Hobbsee> true
[04:23] <lnxkde> even the lspci output list a compatible card
[04:23] <lnxkde> but it is not...
[04:31] <lnxkde> Hobbsee : what year of uni are you in?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: first year
[04:48] <lnxkde> u 18 year old?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: yes
[04:52] <lnxkde> I am 19 I am going to 3 year now
[04:52] <lnxkde> I will be 20 next month
[04:52] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[04:54] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee  ;)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[04:57] <imbrandon> 10pm and its still 28 out side, /me turns up the AC
[04:57] <lnxkde> lol in puerto rico is really hot this mornig it was at 93
[04:57] <nixternal> speaking of puerto rico, anyone watching ms. universe?
[04:58] <nixternal> she just won it
[04:58] <imbrandon> its was like 102f here today durring the sday
[04:58] <lnxkde> Puerto Rico won
[04:58] <imbrandon> nixternal: not i
[04:58] <nixternal> yup
[04:59] <Hobbsee> 28...nice... :)
[05:00] <lnxkde> :)
[05:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: not at 10pm lol
[05:00] <Hobbsee> well...
[05:13] <nixternal> far from a lack of..that slipped through, otherwise there were a few members who went through it, one is a professor ;)
[05:15] <imbrandon> UWS ?
[05:15] <nixternal> UWN
[05:15] <nixternal> ;)
[05:15] <imbrandon> oh yea
[05:18] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[05:19] <Hobbsee> UWS is a uni, that's right
[05:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh, i just noticed this malformed http//www.foo.blah link, and thought hmmm...that's not shown as hyperlinked, what's wrong there..
[05:20] <Hobbsee> so nice that i dont have to get others to approve these now
[05:24] <bddebian> Hobbsee: :-)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> bddebian: do you know in general what lists of X packages are changing?  like, in the depends?
[05:25] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Have an example?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> bddebian: xbvl, simgear
[05:28] <bddebian> What's wrong with xbvl?
[05:29] <bddebian> Is it trying to use GLw libs?
[05:34] <bddebian> Ah yes, xbvl tries to link -lGLw.  Won't happen.  Apparently we dropped the GLw libs in Edgy for some licensing issue.  I had the same issue with grass, so I had to disable building with glw (it was a configure flag --with-glw that I had to remove)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> bddebian: more that i just didnt know what deps to change, so left it alone.
[05:41] <bddebian> The deps are fine, you need to see if you can disable glw bindings in configure
[05:41] <Hobbsee> right
[05:45] <bddebian> Hmm, no easy way in xbvl.  You would have to try something like --disable-glw
[05:46] <Hobbsee> mmm ok
[06:00] <bddebian> Gotta head to bed, good luck Hobbsee :-)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: thanks :P
[06:11] <Hobbsee> bug 53795
[06:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53795 in libsdl1.2 "libsdl1.2-dev won't install in edgy" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53795
[07:02] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir, jsgotangco 
[07:03] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:03] <nixternal> well well well
[07:19] <abattoir> Hobbsee: ??
[07:19] <abattoir> Hobbsee: oh well, hello :)
[07:19] <Hobbsee> abattoir: heya :)
[07:19] <abattoir> must have d/c and reconnected :P
[07:19] <abattoir> was away
[07:21] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's what it shows
[07:31] <Hobbsee> malone 42845
[07:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42845 in regina-normal "regina-python broken (python2.3 -> 2.4 transition incomplete)" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42845
[08:11] <RichJ> Byte-compiling bbdb. This takes looooooong...
[08:11] <RichJ> nice little message
[08:11] <crimsun> sure wish I could get this all the time: Fetched 24.9MB in 23s (1049kB/s)
[08:12] <Hobbsee> wow, yep
[08:12] <jsgotangco> wow
[08:12] <Hobbsee> RichJ: what updates were there, anyway?
[08:12] <RichJ> a lot
[08:12] <RichJ> i just finished installing emacs and emacs wiki
[08:13] <crimsun> konq-plugins, libxvidcore4, linux-image, and linux-kernel-headers for me
[08:20] <crimsun> new linux-image was for kdump
[08:29] <Hobbsee> ah, cool
[08:34] <Hobbsee> RichJ: did you get an error installing those kernel images?
[08:34] <RichJ> just saying i had to reboot in order for the modules to get updated/work
[08:34] <Hobbsee> RichJ: what happens when you "sudo update-grub"?
[08:35] <RichJ> not an error, but a message
[08:35] <RichJ> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
[08:35] <RichJ> Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:35] <RichJ> Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
[08:35] <RichJ> Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.17-5-386
[08:35] <RichJ> ls: /boot/*-kdump: No such file or directory
[08:35] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[08:36] <RichJ> i didn't need to paste all that sorry..just the ls: /boot line
[08:36] <crimsun> well, it actually is an error semantically (according to the return value), but it's a non-fatal error.
[08:38] <RichJ> im trying to figure out why my Meta key doesn't work in emacs
[08:39] <Hobbsee> RichJ: just filed a bug for it
[08:39] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, yeah
[08:39] <RichJ> for the splash image part?
[08:40] <crimsun> I'm not convinced that's a bug by design
[08:41] <crimsun> it probably shouldn't return non-zero if /boot/*-kdump doesn't exist, though
[08:41] <RichJ> well, there was talk on one of the lists about "splash screens"
[08:41] <RichJ> but ithink it was referring to changing the current 'test' image with a new one
[09:01] <imbrandon> ...
[09:01] <crimsun> (ellipses yourself!)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: testing out n-m stuff a bit
[09:10] <imbrandon> heh
[09:10] <crimsun> imbrandon: hi, do you use a Compose key in Edgy's KDE?
[09:13] <imbrandon> compose key ?
[09:13] <crimsun> for accented and other extended characters
[09:14] <imbrandon> ahh no i do not ( wasent sure what it was )
[09:14] <imbrandon> i can test though if you wish
[09:14] <crimsun> please, if you have some time and don't mind
[09:15] <imbrandon> sure
[09:15] <imbrandon> what key should it be ?
[09:15] <crimsun> any key you set
[09:16] <imbrandon> ahh ok one moment lemmme set it and test
[09:16] <omeow> Morning.
[09:16] <imbrandon> moins omeow 
[09:18] <omeow> Does kguidance support dual monitor setups? :)
[09:19] <omeow> Because if I use it, it makes me a configuration file, but it doesn't load randr and the desktop space doesn't fit on screen. I have to scroll it when I get near the screen borders.
[10:12] <omeow> Riddell, I'm sorry, did you commit the patches for xinerama yet? I've been trying to find some kind of svn log for qt and kdelibs, but launchpad is quite confusing and I'm not even sure if that's the place I should be looking.
[10:13] <imbrandon_> you should be lookign at packages.ubuntu.com or changelogs.ubuntu.com but i think Ridd*ell is gone for the weekend to LRL
[10:16] <viviersf> k noob question
[10:16] <viviersf> the kmenu side image
[10:16] <viviersf> how do you change that color ?
[10:18] <imbrandon_> viviersf: try #kubuntu this is more of a support question ( or #ubuntu-artwork )
[10:19] <viviersf> not really support but ok
[11:18] <kwwii> moin
[11:47] <imbrandon> moins kwwii
[11:48] <kwwii> hi imbrandon, your up early, or?
[11:48] <imbrandon> late ;)
[11:48] <kwwii> hehe, the sun is coming up, go to bed!
[11:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:49] <imbrandon> just got debian/ubuntu reinstalled, working on some merges last night ( when i should have been working on art.u.c but shhhh )
[11:52] <kwwii> hehe, just don't say that on ubuntu-artwork :-)
[11:52] <imbrandon> right right ;)
[12:12] <Riddell> seaLne: http://dot.kde.org/1153735204/
[12:38] <omeow> Riddell, I'm having trouble finding out if you patched the xinerama stuff yet. imbrandon gave me some links, but I still couldn't figure it out. =/ 
[12:48] <Riddell> omeow: I have but it's failed to build on powerpc and i386
[12:49] <omeow> Thank you. 
[12:50] <omeow> Did it fail to build because of those patches?
[12:50] <kwwii> Riddell: which arch does it build on?
[12:50] <kwwii> s390? :-)
[12:50] <omeow> AMD64 I guess?
[12:50] <Riddell> amd64, sparc and ia64
[12:51] <kwwii> hehe, I am used to things being the other way around
[12:51] <Riddell> me too
[12:51] <kwwii> is there a ppc64 build?
[12:52] <omeow> How can I find out when it got built properly? Will you let me know or can I subscribe to a service/rss feed?
[12:52] <Riddell> it's a problem with the linux headers, possibly it only happened with newest headers and other arches are behind
[12:52] <Riddell> omeow: watch edgy-changes and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kdebase/
[12:52] <Riddell> kwwii: no, not sure why not
[01:17] <omeow> Will someone please remove the if (user==omeow && character=="'") doNothing(); function? =/
[01:21] <omeow> My apostrophe (still) doesn't work the same way ever since I upgraded to edgy. I have to press alt gr + apostrophe instead of apostrophe + space (or any letter).
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:39] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[02:40] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse!
[02:41] <hungerW> Why were those damn close buttons added to tabs in konqueror? They make the whole thing pretty unusable with many tabs open:-(
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hungerW: ask tonio_, i expect.
[02:42] <Riddell> seems tonio added them, I'm yet to see them
[02:43] <hungerW> Hobbsee: Those damn close buttons take up about 90% of the tab. Makes it pretty impossible to switch tabs with the mouse:-(
[02:45] <Hobbsee_> Riddell!!! How was LGL?
[02:46] <Riddell> LRL?
[02:46] <Riddell> good fun
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: er, yeah, that
[02:46] <Riddell> lots of kubuntu users
[02:46] <Riddell> I had a full room for my talk
[02:46] <Hobbsee> ooh :)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what'd you talk on?
[02:46] <Riddell> Kubuntu and KDE 4
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ooh fun - what'd you say?
[02:50] <Riddell> I said what a great place #kubuntu-devel is
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hope they didnt see last night's bitching about microsoft and google then.
[02:50] <Riddell> nope, what happened there?
[02:52] <jjesse> ooo just noticed that amd bought ati :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> grumble.  i missed any response
[02:54] <Riddell> 13:50 < Riddell> nope, what happened there?
[02:54] <Riddell> 13:52 < jjesse> ooo just noticed that amd bought ati :)
[02:54] <Riddell> 13:52 -!- Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee]  has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: just people discussing, nothing major
[02:55] <Riddell> and then you came back
[02:55] <Hobbsee> grumble grumble.
[02:58] <jjesse> have you kicked it lately?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i dont recall doing so, but i was playing with various versions of ndiswrapper, knetworkmanager, and powersave stuff.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when were you wanting another meeting?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and i want to pick your brains for what happens with kopete, too.
[03:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: whenever people send me the times they are available
[03:00] <Hobbsee> [whisper]  also, how's kde 3.5.4 doing? [/whisper] 
[03:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kopete UVF exception got approved
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: run it at 2100UTC wednesday on whichever week you like, until i figure out more.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yay - but it's not in main.
[03:01] <Riddell> nothing from 3.5.4 yet, it'd due to be tagged today
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah yeah, guess it can still be classed as today
[03:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'll upload kopete with a fixed version number and that'll pull it into main
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah cool.  tonio_ had a patch to commit against that - and the fixed number version was on revu, i believe
[03:03] <Riddell> great, it's next on my todo list
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)  what's first then?  removing my boss?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: adding printer sharing
[03:07] <Riddell> QString scaryMessage = i18n("Enabling local network browsing for printers will open a network port on your computer.  If security pro\
[03:07] <Riddell> blems are discovered in the printer server remote attackers could access your computer as the \"cupsys\" user");
[03:07] <Riddell> is that understandable at all?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd get rid of network
[03:07] <Hobbsee> and a comma after server
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd also think of listing the port, in brackets
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: however, the rest of it looks good to me :)
[03:30] <bddebian> Hello
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:57] <pygi> Hobbsee, poke
[03:57] <Hobbsee> pygi: poke back
[03:57] <Hobbsee> pygi: heya!  :)
[03:57] <pygi> Hobbsee, please join, thanks :)
[03:57] <pygi> and heya :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> pygi: just did :P
[03:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what is jingle?
[03:58] <pygi> Riddell, libjingle?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: jingle is voice support, i believe
[03:58] <pygi> google's library, with voice and audio support which gtalk uses
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not sure for which protocol - perhaps all of them.  no...for jabber/gtalk
[03:59] <Hobbsee> *that's* it
[03:59] <Hobbsee> small brain freeze - i had to read lots of incredibly dull documentation, and other stupidity at work.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> bug 53795
[04:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53795 in libsdl1.2 "libsdl1.2-dev won't install in edgy" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53795
[04:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do you know what kopete uses libjasper-runtime for?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i did, the changelog also knows, if you have it handy
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i believe it's there for yahoo webcam support
[04:43] <Hobbsee> although i havent been able to test it
[04:43] <Hobbsee> the other lib is for msn webcam support, that's right
[04:43] <Riddell> libsdl1.2-dev installs for me
[04:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: would you be able to do a main inclusion report for libjasper-runtime?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, here too - we just didnt have the thingo in -ops
[04:44] <omeow> grrrr
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: in all honesty, i'm not comfortable with the idea of kopete in main yet, as there's still lots of testing going on, and lots of extra build-deps going on, seeing what works, and what doesnt.
[04:46] <omeow> When I see changes in the edgy changes rss feed, how long will it be untill those fixes show up in the package list?
[04:46] <freeflying> Riddell: will you include knet in edgy, too many end-users need a gui tool for set up their network connetion
[04:47] <Hobbsee> omeow: depends on which mirror you're using, and how long it takes for the app to be built.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> s/app/package/
[04:47] <omeow> Thanks Hobbsee :)
[04:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kopete is already in main, has been since hoary
[04:47] <Riddell> omeow: a couple of hours to never
[04:48] <Riddell> freeflying: if I get reports that it works and is usable yes
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kopete from kdenetwork is in main - not the kopete source, as such
[04:48] <Hobbsee> but yeah, i guess you have a point.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where's keybuk atm?  
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is he on holidays or something?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> pygi: nice!
[04:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: he was on IRC this (European) morning
[04:49] <Riddell> don't think he's on holiday
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: bleh, so i missed him.  darn.
[04:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why do you need him?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: was going to tell him that stevenk had done some work with nm stuff.
[04:50] <pygi> Riddell, could we include this application in install?
[04:50] <omeow> urfh, pygi, why can't I resize kxgenerator?
[04:50] <Riddell> pygi: which?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> pygi: is it packaged for ubuntu yet?
[04:51] <pygi> Riddell, kxgenerator, it might help users configure X server
[04:51] <Riddell> we already have an X setup tool
[04:51] <pygi> Riddell, right, but this one is far better :P
[04:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: GUI?
[04:51] <omeow> That, and this one is quite annoying to use.
[04:51] <pygi> Hobbsee, nop
[04:52] <omeow> You can't resize and there's loads of options everywhere. I prefer the one that comes with kubuntu, but it would be nice if that one actually worked properly for dual monitors. 
[04:52] <omeow> Hobbsee, I assume he meant kguidance.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> omeow: ah okay.  that we seem to get lots of bugs about.
[04:53] <pygi> omeow, we could always write patches for resize
[04:53] <omeow> Hobbsee, well, you should see what it does to the xorg.conf file when you try to configure a dual monitor setup. ;)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:53] <Hobbsee> i dont want to know...
[04:54] <omeow> Hobbsee, i'm going to say it anyway. =P It seems to do the trick, except that the desktop space is too big, you have to scroll at the borders of the monitors. And I don't think it would work well with games. (olol games on Linux)
[04:54] <Riddell> omeow: if you have a problem with the Guidance Display tool _Sime_ is the man to talk to (except he's on holiday this week)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:55] <omeow> Riddell, noted. I'll try to have a word with him. Who should I talk to for issues with aphostrophes not working after upgrading to edgy? :)
[04:55] <freeflying> Riddell: it can work in dapper :)
[04:55] <omeow> Perhaps I should just let KDE re-generate my .kde directory and see if that does anything.
[04:58] <omeow> Does zsnes segfault on startup for anyone else?
[05:01] <Riddell> freeflying: if we put in knet do you think we should get rid of kppp?
[05:01] <lnxkde> I just updated to edgy
[05:01] <lnxkde> but still using the old kernel I dont know why...
[05:02] <lnxkde> I did apt-get dist-upgrade 
[05:02] <freeflying> Riddell: I'd like to 
[05:02] <lnxkde> I changed the sources list the apt-get update went fine
[05:02] <freeflying> Riddell: knet function all that kppp has 
[05:03] <Riddell> hmm, knet has been at beta for over 12 months
[05:03] <Hobbsee> why did http://rafb.net/paste/results/w4gpE413.html occur?  it's from kopete.
[05:04] <freeflying> Riddell: besides the pppd bug, knet works quite nice  :)
[05:05] <Riddell> freeflying: what's htat bug?
[05:05] <Riddell> that
[05:05] <bddebian> Riddell: Know anything about ivman?
[05:07] <freeflying> Riddell: it's fixed in dapper, due to the version changes of pppd, knet can not find it 
[05:10] <Riddell> my main reservation with knet is that the user interface is fantastically bad
[05:13] <freeflying> but we have not another gui tool for user , so it's better than no  :)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks @ kopete
[05:14] <omeow> =(
[05:15] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hi Mez!
[05:20] <Mez> heya Sarah!
[05:26] <Riddell> fun road trip?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> welcome back seaLne 
[05:29] <Riddell> Mez: pong
[05:29] <Riddell> missed the ping somehow
[05:32] <seaLne> very hot in the car :(
[05:32] <Mez> seaLne, very hot in most places - specially in the main hall at LRL
[05:33] <hungerW> Damn close button on tabs:-(
[05:33] <seaLne> Mez: yeah not looking forward to what work will be like tommorow
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: tell me something that i should work on, please.
[05:42] <pygi> Hobbsee, Olive KDE edition :)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> pygi: something that i'll be able to do, but will make my brain work enough to avoid what i'm thinking about.  or trying not to.  thinking about not thinking about it.
[05:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: libjasper main inclusion report
[05:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: recompiling the world for gamin
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, a guide for that is on the wiki?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh...the second one i can do, too...
[05:44] <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the second one doenst require enough brain power and concentration.
[05:45] <Riddell> make a new page MainInclusionReportLibjasper and use the MainInclusionReportTemplate
[05:45] <Riddell> up to you :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> anyone got a brick handy, Riddell? 
[05:45] <Hobbsee> maybe i should let mithandir have my brain again
[05:47] <Riddell> why a brick?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: to make myself pass out or something.
[05:59] <toma> morning
[05:59] <Hobbsee> hi toma 
[06:00] <Mez> seaLne, did the pizza go down well ?
[06:01] <seaLne> nah no one ate it
[06:02] <Riddell> hello mart 
[06:02] <mart> hi Riddell
[06:03] <mart> thought I'd try here for an answer...
[06:03] <mart> anyone know if "Jonathan Patrick Davies" is on irc? nick?
[06:03] <Riddell> jpatrick
[06:03] <Riddell> not on just now
[06:03] <mart> thanks.
[06:03] <Riddell> what's he broken?
[06:03] <mart> nowt. :)
[06:04] <mart> he's the maintainer of the kexi-mdb-driver package, so thought I'd let him know it's in debian as kexi-mdb-plugin.
[06:04] <mart> lest the name thing cause confusion.
[06:04] <Riddell> tsk
[06:04] <mart> tsk?
[06:05] <Riddell> tsk, debian don't seem to be following their own naming scheme
[06:05] <mart> oh, isaac suggested it :)
[06:05] <Riddell> the other kexi plugins were kexi-foo-driver
[06:05] <mart> ah, but they are no longer
[06:06] <toma> Riddell: can you look at & approve bug 52238 and bug 53534 ?
[06:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52238 in digikamimageplugins "Please sync with debian" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52238
[06:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53534 in digikam "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync digikam 0.8.2-1 from Debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53534
[06:06] <Riddell> mart: what's the reason for mdb to still be separate from kexi?
[06:07] <Riddell> toma: sure
[06:09] <mart> Riddell: er, three reasons really.  firstly, the upstream mdbtools code is a atrocious, and I'm not convinced it's not got a million security holes.  secondly, I'm not going anywhere near introducing something with a glib dependency to KDE (though I don't care if someone else does).  third, no one's rigged the build system to include it in Kexi yet.
[06:09] <Riddell> toma: done, you need to subscribe ubuntu-archive
[06:09] <toma> oki, thnxs
[06:09] <Riddell> mart: fair enough
[06:13] <toma> Riddell: digikam-doc is not in ubuntu? it was in debians non-free lately due to the docs, but it now in unstable again
[06:13] <toma> Riddell: that means it will auto-sync?
[06:14] <Riddell> toma: is it a separate source package?
[06:14] <toma> yes
[06:15] <Riddell> toma: I don't think new packages will be automatically sucked in again, you should file a sync request
[06:16] <toma> against which product?
[06:16] <Riddell> hmm, that's a good question
[06:16] <toma> ;-)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> toma: Riddell: if it doesnt exist in ubuntu yet, just file it under ubuntu.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> that's what it says in the developer resources, and i've had stuff synced that way before
[06:17] <toma> oki
[06:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for stuff in main, to upload with the gamin fixes, how do you want them to upload?  debdiff or what?
[06:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: debdiffs are good
[06:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yay, you already did keep.
[06:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you're not doing the libjasper main report then?  (in which case I'll do it)
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nto right now, no.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're welcome to it
[06:24] <Mez> seaLne, if I'd known noone was gonna eat it i would took mine home for breakfast
[06:24] <toma> Riddell: bug 53916 & bug 53917 can you approve?
[06:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53916 in Ubuntu "Please sync digikamimagplugins-doc 0.8.2-1 from Debian." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53916
[06:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53917 in Ubuntu "Please sync digikam-doc 0.8.2-1 from Debian." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53917
[06:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when did the gamin fixes actually start?  ie, if a package is modified on july 15, does it still need teh rebuild?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> toma: are they right?
[06:24] <toma> right?
[06:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you can check with apt-cache show foo, if it depends on libfam it needs rebuilt
[06:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: Confirm away
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yay, good.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> toma: you spelt imageplugins wrong - you missed an e :P
[06:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sorry, that should have been libgamin0
[06:27] <toma> Hobbsee: ouch
[06:27] <Hobbsee> toma: yay!
[06:27] <Riddell> toma: what happened to allow that?
[06:28] <toma> Riddell: new version in edgy
[06:28] <Mez> seaLne, cheers for the signing
[06:28] <Mez> i'll sort yours as soon as i get my mian PC back online
[06:28] <toma> and i used Hobbsee's manual to rebuild it
[06:29] <Riddell> toma: local printer or network?
[06:29] <toma> Riddell: network
[06:31] <toma> Riddell: with debians 'old' cups server
[06:31] <Hobbsee> my manual?  hmmm.
[06:40] <omeow> Local printers are easy on kubuntu.
[06:41] <omeow> Network printers are a disaster to set up.
[06:41] <Riddell> not as easy as they should be, that list of drivers is scary
[06:41] <omeow> I happen to remember the driver I needed from my old gentoo distribution I used to use.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kbuildsycocoa gets run to make the kmenu update when a package is installed, doesnt it?
[06:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it should do yes
[06:42] <nixternal> the list of HP drivers are even scarier, however i have never had an issue with CUPS
[06:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: but that seems to break sometimes in dapper looking at the bug reports
[06:42] <omeow> Hobbsee, it should, but doesn't if you use adept.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, yeah....
[06:42] <Hobbsee> omeow: probably a bug in adept then, wonder if mornfall knows about it.
[06:42] <omeow> Pretty sure he does.
[06:43] <Riddell> it shouldn't have anything to do with adept, if kde notices that /usr/share/applications is changed it should run kbuildsycoca
[06:44] <omeow> Oh, I was told by someone that it was adepts fault. :)
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right - and where's that set?  to look for changes in that dir, that is?
[06:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: somewhere deep in kdelibs
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, right
[06:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm tempted to blame it on gamin and hope it'll go away in edgy
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehehe...i like that idea :)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> oh shit.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> what's my passphrase?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> oh, that's right.
[06:51] <Riddell> what was it?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh...now i'm not silly enough to publish it on a public channel.  i do have more of a brain than that.
[06:51] <Riddell> good good, just testing :)
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i just temporarily forgot it, even though iv'ebeen using it to upload all night.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm probably nicely sedated enough now that i'd be able to sleep.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> hi rraphink 
[06:53] <rraphink> hi Hobbsee
[06:59] <nixternal> Riddell, Hobbsee, since you were just speaking about CUPS & Printing, is there a reason that there are 2 different drivers for pretty much every printer for HP?   For instance, I have a PSC1610, and I can choose from PSC1600 or PSC1600 HPIJS
[07:00] <nixternal> the HPIJS is the only driver I have ever got to work with HP printers as well
[07:00] <Riddell> nixternal: HP seems to have their own linux printing stuff
[07:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i know nothing about printers, except tha tthey're the spawn of the devil, and that mine usually works, for some unknown reason.
[07:00] <Riddell> I've no idea why
[07:00] <nixternal> lol
[07:00] <nixternal> ahh, ok, so that is on HP then
[07:01] <nixternal> cool beans, I shall contact a buddy of mine who works in the HP Unix division in Atlanta and scream at him!
[07:01] <nixternal> although HP-UX is slightly different ;)
[07:02] <mornfall> what's adepts fault again?
[07:02] <mornfall> '
[07:02] <Hobbsee> mornfall: nothing, was the fault of something else.
[07:06] <Riddell> better than uploading to unstable :)
[07:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh, i dont have upload rights to that, last i knew :P
[07:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what'd happen if i uploaded to unstable instead?  nasty rejected mails?
[07:06] <toma> or to UNRELEASED as happened yesterday.. was rejected for some reason..
[07:07] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:07] <Hobbsee> oops
[07:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it'll send an abrupt reject e-mail to you and the debian maintainer
[07:19] <Hobbsee> holy sugar.  something looks really wrong with this bandwidth bill
[07:20] <Riddell> too high?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: very, dad was spitting chips over how high it was last night.
[07:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: Current Usage:   	8308.89 MB - we've got 10GB till the end of the month
[07:21] <jjesse> wow that's heavily used
[07:22] <Hobbsee> jjesse: rather, and i'm not sure why - a couple of dist-upgrades to edgy wouldnt have helped, but i've got no idea what happened last monday
[07:23] <pygi> Hobbsee, don't curse the sugar :P
[07:23] <toma> heated irc meeting? which i can barely remember btw
[07:23] <Hobbsee> pygi: heh
[07:23] <mart> toma: :)
[07:23] <Hobbsee> toma: uh...yeah...you're right...it was that day...
[07:24] <Hobbsee> i dont think i did any uploads/major downloads that day
[07:24] <Hobbsee> i recall having a mostly stable system that day.
[07:24] <Hobbsee> 22/7 was all the dapper updates as well, i remember that much
[07:24] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[07:24] <Hobbsee> might have to have a go at dad about that one
[07:24] <Hobbsee> mum will go off the roof if the phone doesnt work.
[07:24] <seaLne> yeah blaim him much easier :)
[07:25] <seaLne> they cut off your phone if you use too much bw? scary
[07:25] <Hobbsee> seaLne: 
[07:25] <bddebian> Hobbsee: There are several KDE packages here: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html too ya know ;-)
[07:26] <Hobbsee> seaLne: no, it cuts us back to 64kbps, which is pathetic, and not good for VOIP phones.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> who needs phones anyway, really...
[07:26] <Hobbsee> bddebian: thanks, i didnt know abou tthat
[07:26] <Hobbsee> bddebian: oh GRRRR!  why didnt you tell me half an hour earlier?
[07:26] <seaLne> ah right, voip not landline phone?
[07:27] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Sorry :-(  I thought you knew
[07:27] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yep, useful
[07:27] <pygi> Hobbsee, how much bw can you spend over the month?
[07:27] <Hobbsee> pygi: huh?
[07:27] <seaLne> 10Gb in total?
[07:27] <pygi> bandwith*
[07:28] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yeah
[07:31] <Hobbsee> pygi: 10 GB of bandwidth, before we get cut back.
[07:32] <pygi> Hobbsee, ugh :-/
[07:33] <Hobbsee> pygi: very.  i reckon i was born on the wrong continent.
[07:33] <pygi> well, that is bad, but here the ISP is also very bad
[07:33] <seaLne> i used to be "restricted" to 1Gb a day but they got rid of that when competition increased
[07:33] <Hobbsee> eek
[07:35] <seaLne> do you have to get up early?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> seaLne: no, i dont have work or uni - but mum will force me up
[07:37] <Hobbsee> as usual :P
[07:38] <seaLne> get her to change her sleeping patern :)
[07:43] <Hobbsee> seaLne: hah, that'll never happen, unfortunately
[08:07] <danimo> heya
[08:08] <danimo> is there a way to add revu to sources.list?
[08:08] <seaLne> danimo: it dosen't work like that
[08:08] <danimo> seaLne: well, I want it to download it as source packages
[08:08] <danimo> seaLne: how does it work?
[08:09] <seaLne> it isn't a repository, its for people to get comments on their packages
[08:09] <crimsun> danimo: you have to grab the source package by hand
[08:09] <danimo> crimsun: ah, pity
[08:10] <seaLne> packages on it are often broken etc so automatically using it wouldn't really be usefull
[08:10] <danimo> crimsun: it would be cool if it could just be something you can add as deb-src
[08:10] <danimo> seaLne: yes, but it would be convinient to create derived packages
[08:11] <seaLne> possibly
[08:11] <seaLne> ah you mean things that depend on packages only on revu?
[08:15] <danimo> seaLne: well, almost. for instance, I want to test a revu package (because I want to add a package)
[08:19] <jjesse> is she in bed?  i know its late for her
[08:19] <jjesse> @time sydney
[08:19] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 25 2006, 04:19:59
[08:20] <danimo> jjesse: ah, right
[08:20] <jjesse> or early
[08:22] <seaLne> yeah she went to bed
[08:46] <danimo> what's the command again to build a packages
[08:46] <bddebian> dpkg-buildpackage, debuild, ...
[08:47] <danimo> ah, ok
[08:53] <danimo> ok, the kopete packages is odd
[08:57] <Riddell> danimo: which one?
[09:00] <danimo> Riddell: the kopete one
[09:00] <danimo> Riddell: all the debian directory files are in the debian directory
[09:01] <danimo> Riddell: I want to add a patch and I am currenty on my way through the debian maintainers guide
[09:02] <Riddell> the debian directory sounds like a good place for debian directory files to me :)
[09:03] <Riddell> danimo: note that I uploaded kopete-3.5.4+kopete0.12.1 earlier today
[09:03] <Riddell> just putting a patch in debian/patches/ should pick it up
[09:03] <danimo> Riddell: right, but (!) there is a patch that fixes oscar stuff
[09:03] <Riddell> danimo: what version are you looking at?
[09:04] <danimo> Riddell: the one from revu
[09:04] <Riddell> that's the correct one
[09:04] <Riddell> so put the patch in debian/patches and compile with debuild it see if it picks it up
[09:05] <danimo> Riddell: won't debbuild use the orig.tar?
[09:06] <Riddell> yes
[09:06] <Riddell> then cdbs will apply the patches in debian/patches
[09:06] <Riddell> and then it'll build
[09:06] <danimo> Riddell: but again: the complete debian/ dir is a diff
[09:06] <Riddell> danimo: that's normal
[09:07] <Riddell> danimo: it's a bit strange I agree but that's how debian packages work
[09:07] <Riddell> orig from upstream, diff from debian but the diff tends to be the contents of debian/ and nothing else
[09:07] <danimo> Riddell: yes, but how do I add the diff to the diff 
[09:07] <danimo> ?
[09:07] <Riddell> use  dpkg-source -x foo.dsc  to extract the packages (applies the diff to the .orig)
[09:07] <Riddell> then make your changes
[09:07] <Riddell> compile with debuila
[09:08] <Riddell> debuild
[09:08] <danimo> ah, ok
[09:08] <Riddell> and debuild will make you a nice new .diff.gz
[09:09] <Riddell> danimo: back in the day you would have patches applied directory to the source and so the .diff.gz would include all the Debian changes, but that's very hard to maintain so now it's the normal practice that only debian/ and maybe files from automake are in the .diff.gz
[09:09] <danimo> Riddell: dpkg-src does not seem to be part of build-essentials
[09:12] <Riddell> dpkg-source
[09:12] <Riddell> it'll be in devscripts
[09:12] <allee> danimo: really?  Well, then unpacking is not part of building ;)
[09:12] <danimo> ah, dpkg-source!
[09:15] <allee> mhm, no. It's in dpkg-dev and build-essential depends on it.  So problem was dpkg-src versus dpkg-source
[09:15] <danimo> allee: yepp
[09:15] <danimo> allee: I've never ever in life modified a debian package
[09:16] <danimo> allee: so... :)
[09:20] <allee> danimo: compared to KDE's build magic it's easy ;)
[09:20] <danimo> allee: being a kde dev, I would say vice versa :)
[09:20] <danimo> allee: but cmake has come to the rescue :)
[09:21] <allee> danimo: really?  I thought only coolo and matts  really understand what's going on (for kde < 4 at least;)
[09:21] <danimo> allee: matz?
[09:21] <danimo> allee: yes, that's with autofoo and unsermake
[09:21] <allee> oh, right
[09:21] <danimo> allee: ah, achim, it's you! :)
[09:22] <allee> heh, yeah hi Daniel
[09:47] <danimo> Riddell: ok, when the patch  compiles successfully, can you add the patch to the official package?
[09:55] <Riddell> danimo: sure
[10:01] <danimo> Riddell: it will fix some issues with adding contacts on icq and aim that are fairly annoying
[10:53] <danimo> Riddell: ok, how can I add my changes to the package?
[10:53] <danimo> Riddell: that is, how can I reextract the diff file?
[11:11] <allee> danimo: interdiff
[11:11] <danimo> ok
[11:12] <danimo> allee: but I first need the diff file :)
[11:12] <danimo> the package diff
[11:13] <allee> apt-get source  downloaded the first diff from the archive.  debuild created the new one.
[11:14] <danimo> ah, ok
[11:14] <allee> danimo: mhm, how did you change the pkgs.  Patching the sources?
[11:15] <danimo> allee: nope, adding a patch to the debian/patches dir
[11:16] <allee> did you add a new entry to the changelog with dch -i?  (otherwise the downloaded .diff got overwriten by debuild)
[11:16] <danimo> allee: the debbuild aborted because i obviously didn't have sarah's private key
[11:17] <allee> danimo: alternative post an URL to the added patch in debian/patches and ping Riddell 
[11:18] <allee> danimo: sarah's key?  Why was this needed?
[11:18] <Riddell> danimo: dch -i  to add a new changelog entry
[11:18] <Riddell> debuild -S  to build a source package
[11:18] <Riddell> cd ..
[11:18] <Riddell> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[11:19] <danimo> allee: I have no idea :)
[11:19] <allee> danimo: me too :)
[11:20] <Riddell> danimo: if it gets to using gpg that's a good sign, it means it's finished fine
[11:20] <Riddell> danimo: you only need to use gpg if it's being uploaded to revu or the ubuntu archive
[11:20] <allee> ahh!
[11:20] <Riddell> it gets the e-mail from the top changelog entry
[11:21] <danimo> Riddell: so what do I do now? dch or debuild -S?
[11:21] <allee> danimo: both
[11:21] <Riddell> danimo: if you already have a new changelog entry you don't need to add another one
[11:21] <danimo> in what order?
[11:21] <danimo> I didn't
[11:21] <allee> dch -i; debuild -S
[11:22] <omeow> meow
[11:22] <allee> debuild -S -uc -us # <- -u{s,c} skip signing
[11:24] <danimo> allee: why? I _can_ sign :)
[11:24] <danimo> just only with my key
[11:25] <allee> :)  I have -uc -us on by default.  Signing all the time is boring and for debdiff it's no help
[11:27] <danimo> huh, wrong passphrase?
[11:27] <danimo> I didn't enter any
[11:27] <danimo> ah
[11:27] <danimo> does fakeroot block gpg-agent?
[11:29] <Riddell> I've never used gpg-agent
[11:29] <danimo> Riddell: it needs a socket
[11:29] <allee> danimo: use debsgn <new>.changes to sign it afterwared
[11:30] <allee> danimo: debuild cleans the environment and in case path-to-socket used uid or username, fakeroot will definitely confuse gpg-agent
[11:30] <danimo> Riddell: but i can't upload to revu, right?
[11:34] <Riddell> danimo: no, you need an admin to make you an account
[11:34] <Riddell> rraphink: ah hah
[11:35] <danimo> Riddell: I'll simply upload it to some place
[11:35] <Riddell> rraphink: could you make danimo an account on revu?
[11:35] <Riddell> danimo: sure, that's fine too
[11:35] <danimo> or so
[11:35] <rraphink> sure I could :)
[11:35] <danimo> Riddell: a revu account wouldn't hurt either
[11:35] <rraphink> danimo: are you a MOTU?
[11:35] <danimo> a what? :)
[11:35] <rraphink> do you need an uploader account on REVU or a unix account on tiber?
[11:36] <rraphink> well then I guess you just need an uploader accoutn ;)
[11:36] <danimo> uploader account
[11:36] <rraphink> ok then follow the REVU wiki page
[11:36] <rraphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:36] <rraphink> :)
[11:36] <rraphink> that'll tell you how to get that 
[11:36] <rraphink> in almost no time ;)
[11:39] <danimo> ok
[11:40] <danimo> rraphink: contributor team membership requested, ssh key uploaded
[11:41] <rraphink> no
[11:41] <rraphink> danimo: did you add yourself to the team?
[11:43] <danimo> rraphink: yes
[11:43] <danimo> rraphink: that's what I meant
[11:44] <danimo> rraphink: so, is it now up to you?
[11:47] <rraphink> what's your name on LP danimo?
[11:47] <crimsun> Riddell: ping, do you have a few moments to discuss kmix integration w/ alsa-utils's asoundconf(1)?
[11:53] <danimo> rraphink: danimo, yes
[11:55] <rraphink> danimo: what is your name on LP?
[11:56] <danimo> rraphink: danimo / Daniel Molkentin
[11:56] <rraphink> you have to add your GPG key to your LP page danimo
[11:57] <danimo> ok
[11:59] <danimo> rraphink: working on it
[11:59] <rraphink> ok
[12:00] <allee> hi rraphink and nite all
[12:00] <danimo> rraphink: recieving the mail will take a while due to the greylisting I use
[12:01] <kwwii> Riddell: the shutdown menu (the one with the konqi pic) has to be done in a kde style, or? Can one asign a different style to the widgets other than the default style in the desktop?
[12:02] <pygi> hey kwwii 
[12:02] <kwwii> s/asign/assign
[12:02] <kwwii> hey pygi
[12:02] <kwwii> pygi: did my mockups help at all?
[12:02] <kwwii> I kinda missed a lot of smaller things, but I thought it still needed to be discusses
[12:02] <kwwii> discussed
[12:03] <pygi> kwwii, ofcourse they did, don't worry :)
[12:03] <rraphink> danimo: tell me when you have your GPG key on
[12:03] <pygi> kwwii, currently using gtk for testing the backend/API stabilization, then I'll shoot for KDE edition
[12:04] <danimo> heya kwwii
[12:04] <kwwii> pygi: can one install the gtk version to see what is there?
[12:04] <kwwii> I could do a much better mockup that way?
[12:04] <kwwii> howdy danimo
[12:04] <pygi> kwwii, sure, but be aware this isn't finished as well :P
[12:04] <pygi> the student is still working on it :)
[12:05] <kwwii> hehe
[12:05] <pygi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phanatic/olive/main
[12:05] <pygi> tho, this way will probably stay just for version 0.1
[12:05] <pygi> for 0.2 we have some features which will probably require UI separation to three parts
[12:05] <pygi> (it's two parts now)
[12:05] <kwwii> hehe....I just built that and it doesn't work :p
[12:06] <kwwii> that page is empty for me
[12:06] <pygi> kwwii, bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phanatic/olive/main :)
[12:06] <kwwii> hehe,gotcha
[12:06] <pygi> you're the second who said that today :P
[12:07] <pygi> then run: ./olive-gtk
[12:07] <pygi> and it should start :P
[12:07] <kwwii> gotta boot my other computer :-) I was watching a film in osx
[12:07] <pygi> you could try it in osx :P
[12:07] <kwwii> hehe, no thanks
[12:07] <pygi> testing is good :P
[12:07] <pygi> oki :)
[12:07] <kwwii> my fink is old
[12:07] <kwwii> and I need to update it
[12:08] <kwwii> better to try it on linux
[12:08] <pygi> sure :)