[12:08] <bastiq> do i need php5 if i have the php mod?
[12:08] <draik> gnomefreak:Thank you
[12:08] <draik> SWEET!!!
[12:08] <LeeJunFan> update-apache2-modules --enable php5
[12:08] <gnomefreak> draik: yw
[12:09] <nixbox> hey guys i have edited my sources.list and uncommented the universe and multiverse repositories, then i restarted adept but the list has not been updated, how will it get updated?
[12:10] <LeeJunFan> nixbox: you need up update sources.
[12:10] <LeeJunFan> nixbox: either thru adept or from command line 'sudo apt-get update'
[12:10] <nixbox> LeeJunFan,  ok
[12:10] <gnomefreak> nixbox: are you sure it was universe and multiverse or backports?
[12:11] <bastiq> LeejunFan: It says "No such module"
[12:11] <||Trayer||> What's the command to Remove a DIR that still has files in it? (YES, I know it's dangerous.  Stop protecting me from my ignorance : P)
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: iirc its rm -r but man rm for better idea
[12:12] <nixbox> nixternal,  universe and backports (the uncommented lines have multiverse in them)
[12:12] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  universe and backports (the uncommented lines have multiverse in them)
[12:12] <||Trayer||>  gnomefreak: Nah, That'd take to much time.  Folder nuked : )
[12:13] <nixbox> by the way where is the option to update sources in Adept?
[12:13] <||Trayer||> !ati
[12:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:15] <bastiq> !apache2
[12:15] <ubotu> I know nothing about apache2 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:15] <bastiq> !php5
[12:15] <ubotu> I know nothing about php5 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:15] <gnomefreak> nixbox: the backports are not multiverse or universe repos. the backports use universe and multiverse you have to make sure the lines that end in universe have a space and than multiverse
[12:15] <||Trayer||> I installed Firefox from the repos, how do I install it = \???
[12:15] <||Trayer||> *Run it(
[12:16] <mamatoshi> just type firefox
[12:16] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: click on the menu entry
[12:16] <mamatoshi> or choose from the menu
[12:16] <gnomefreak> use the icon
[12:16] <||Trayer||> gomefreak: There is non
[12:16] <||Trayer||> mamatoshi Nothing runs
[12:16] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: gnome?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: killall gnome-panel   <<type that when gnome comes back up look in menu
[12:17] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  yeah i got it thanks.
[12:17] <||Trayer||> I'm on kde
[12:17] <gnomefreak> forgot i was here ok
[12:17] <||Trayer||>  gnomefreak: I'm getting this error when I try to run firefox: (firefox-bin:19374): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[12:17] <mamatoshi> || Trayer || :: open the k menu, then browse the internet, choose mozilla firefox
[12:17] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: it should have a menu entry for it
[12:18] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: you get that message trying to run any GTK app
[12:18] <||Trayer||>  gnomefreak: So, how would I run it?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: the menu entry under internet
[12:18] <||Trayer||>  gnomefreak: There is no entry in the menus
[12:19] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  i have new packages in adept now, but when i searched for mplayer, the result returned is disabled, why is that so?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> nixbox: did you type the word multiverse after the word universe in your sources.list file?
[12:20] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: apt-cache policy firefox
[12:20] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  i didn't type anything, i just uncommented it and then verified that there is a space between them
[12:20] <mariux> two tumbs up for kubuntu, ive never before seen so much stuff work out of the box
[12:20] <mariux> ill have to think about dropping gentoo :)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> nixbox: the lines that end in universe (there are 4 of them) add a space than type multiverse
[12:21] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  should i enable universe (only universe) and backports, or only one of them, as backports already has the universe as well.
[12:21] <||Trayer||>  gnomefreak: I did that, now what? It just displayed info
[12:21] <union> hi, all
[12:21] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: i need the info
[12:22] <||Trayer||> !pastebin
[12:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> nixbox: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin please
[12:22] <||Trayer||> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18731
[12:22] <||Trayer||>  gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18731
[12:23] <mariux> which package contains "make" and so on?
[12:23] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: when you type mozilla-firefox   does it open?
[12:23] <gnomefreak> mariux: build-essential
[12:23] <mariux> thanks
[12:23] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:23] <||Trayer||> it just starts a new line, no errors.
[12:23] <||Trayer||> I had to run it in sudo last time I installed it = \
[12:24] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18732
[12:24] <||Trayer||> And I just copied hte files out of the tarball on the website
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[12:26] <gnomefreak> nixbox: ok you ready?
[12:26] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  yeah
[12:26] <gnomefreak> nixbox: ytou still ahve the file open right?
[12:26] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  yeah
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ok good
[12:27] <gnomefreak> nixbox: do you see this line deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[12:27] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  have to add multiverse to it too? :P
[12:27] <||Trayer||>  gnomefreak: Still doesn't run.  How about I just download the tarball off the website and put a firefox folder in my homefolder? That worked before
[12:27] <gnomefreak> it should be like 5th or so repo in your list
[12:27] <gnomefreak> !ff
[12:27] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[12:27] <gnomefreak> ||Trayer||: follow that
[12:27] <gnomefreak> nixbox: that line the one under it also
[12:28] <gnomefreak> nixbox: also add multiverse to the end of the l;ast 2 lines and take the # away from those
[12:28] <gnomefreak> nixbox: after that sudo apt-get update
[12:29] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  ok its working, thanks.
[12:29] <mariux> i cant find it in the faq, where can i find a list over good (non free) Repositories for dapper?
[12:31] <procyon> hello i am having a problem where old (beta?) koffice packages are breaking my dpkg and not allowing me to update them
[12:32] <wolfmanz> repositories still down?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:33] <gnomefreak> wolfmanz: most are up
[12:33] <gnomefreak> !easysource > mariux
[12:33] <gnomefreak> mariux: read yoru pm
[12:33] <bastiq> Hmm... when i installed PHP4 i could make a small php script that worked. But phpmyadmin still don't work.
[12:34] <coachJ> repos are up-just ran EasyUbuntu
[12:34] <mariux> !easysource
[12:34] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:34] <mariux> i though it was spam :)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:34] <gnomefreak> coachJ: not all are back up
[12:35] <coachJ> l
[12:35] <gnomefreak> i think ca is still down
[12:35] <gnomefreak> and us
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> us is up.
[12:35] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> at least it was about 1/2 hr ago.
[12:35] <gnomefreak> ca was down about an hour ago
[12:36] <nixbox> is there a network activity icon for KDE which resides in the tray, similar to the one on Windows
[12:36] <noiesmo> nixbox, knemo
[12:36] <gnomefreak> nixbox: i think there is but i dont have kde open
[12:37] <noiesmo> knemo is a network activity monitor for kde system tray
[12:39] <nixbox> noiesmo,  not available through adept?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> !info knemo
[12:39] <ubotu> knemo: network interfaces monitor for KDEs systray. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-4 (dapper), package size 173 kB, installed size 804 kB
[12:39] <gnomefreak> nixbox: yes it is
[12:39] <noiesmo> hmm you on dapper
[12:39] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  it doesn't appear when i search for it.
[12:40] <gnomefreak> nixbox: on dapper?
[12:40] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  although i have updated the sources.list and then run sudo apt-get update as well
[12:40] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  yeah
[12:40] <gnomefreak> nixbox: sudo apt-get install knemo
[12:40] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  why wouldn't it appear in adept?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> nixbox: not sure
[12:41] <nixbox> gnomefreak,  ok
[12:41] <bastiq> I lost apache2.conf when i uninstalled the apache2 package and removed the apache2 folder...
[12:41] <bastiq> and some more files too
[12:41] <bastiq> oh.. i installed it again after :P
[12:41] <nixbox> noiesmo,  i have installed knemo, but how do i start it?
[12:42] <secleinteer> hey does any1 know how to convert a color image to grayscale in the gimp?
[12:46] <eric__> I was hoping for some help compiling gnash for kubuntu on PPC.
[12:47] <eric__> Hello?
[12:47] <eric__> Hello?
[12:47] <coachJ_> no one here
[12:47] <eric__> I was hoping for some guidance compiling gnash.
[12:47] <eric__> Are we it?
[12:48] <coachJ_> no but that sounds like a fairly complicated question
[12:49] <draik> What extensions will MPlayer (KMPlayer) accept?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> !info xmms
[12:49] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2.10+cvs20050809-4ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1029 kB, installed size 7256 kB
[12:49] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[12:53] <draik> !info KMPlayer
[12:53] <ubotu> Package KMPlayer does not exist in dapper
[12:53] <draik> !MPlayer
[12:53] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[12:53] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[12:54] <draik> !codecs
[12:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:54] <gnomefreak> please dont play with the bot see /msg ubotu <fact>
[12:56] <wolfmanz> whats it mean when you get package can not be authenticated when uisng apt-get?
[12:57] <Tommy2k4> how do i resize partitions from inside kubuntu
[12:59] <mariux> whats gam_server?
[01:01] <noiesmo_> gam_server is the binary fo gamin (see http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/). It's a sgi_fam replacement for file alternation monitoring.
[01:07] <draik> !info codeine
[01:07] <ubotu> codeine: video player for KDE designed to be as simple as possible. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 153 kB, installed size 544 kB
[01:10] <mariux> does people actually use the gam_server?
[01:13] <stallion88> hi everyone
[01:13] <noiesmo_> hi
[01:13] <stallion88> does anyone knows how tu run hotkeys??
[01:14] <stallion88> i've already install it
[01:15] <tommy2k4> i did something dumb plz
[01:15] <tommy2k4> i reinstalled kubuntu today but i made / too small
[01:15] <tommy2k4> now its full and i cant login
[01:16] <king> hola
[01:17] <||Trayer||> Hmm, I ran K3B (I'm switching to the DVD version of UBUNTU instead of KUBUNTU) and it asked for a writing speed at the start, it detected 31x and I said ok.  Is that a standard speed/Is there any way to figure out your speed for your self?
[01:18] <noiesmo_> tommy2k4, if no hd space you should be able to get root to log in single user mode
[01:18] <tommy2k4> from terminal?
[01:18] <noiesmo_> tommy2k4, reboot go grub select recovery
[01:19] <noiesmo_> tommy2k4, once your in you'll have to reduce the space then normal user can log in
[01:19] <tommy2k4> it will let me resize partitions?
[01:19] <noiesmo_> tommy2k4, gparted might help resize your partition
[01:19] <tommy2k4> k
[01:20] <tommy2k4> brb
[01:20] <noiesmo_> tommy2k4, cant help on resize check out info on gparted
[01:20] <tommy2k4> will do
[01:20] <tommy2k4> brb
[01:20] <stallion88> king, este es un canal solo de ingles, metete a #kubuntu-es o #ubuntu-es
[01:20] <stallion88> #kubuntu-es
[01:21] <||Trayer||>   I ran K3B (I'm switching to the DVD version of UBUNTU instead of KUBUNTU) and it asked for a writing speed at the start, it detected 31x and I said ok.  Is that a standard speed/Is there any way to figure out your speed for your self? I don't want to bust my dvd burner.
[01:22] <draik> ||Trayer||:You have a DVD burner that can burn DVDs at 31x???
[01:22] <noiesmo_> ||Trayer||, check the spec on your burner maybe go manufactures site should tell you
[01:23] <stallion88> any clue about the hotkeys issue??
[01:23] <draik> I burned a DVD earlier today with k3b and left it at Auto
[01:24] <||Trayer||> draik: It said 31x was its estimated speed, I thought no way = \
[01:26] <stallion88> any clue how to configure the multimedia keys for my latitude d620??  the volume keys and muting....
[01:26] <||Trayer||>  noiesmo: On the medion site it doesn't seem to list it's models, and can't find the spec. Mabey I should just burn it at a low speed like, 8 to be safe?
[01:26] <draik> ||Trayer||:I have a Memorex 16x burner with Memorex 16x DVD-R... I can select 6x max, but it will burn higher than that
[01:27] <||Trayer||>  draik: So I should burn the DVD at 6x, ?
[01:29] <draik> ||Trayer||:No, my suggestion is to leave it on 'Auto' (default) and let it work at what it can. It may burn at faster speeds, but won't if you set a limit
[01:29] <||Trayer||>  draik: Where can I choose an auto? In configure it has a clear-cut max speed field under device
[01:30] <Agios> dvd burn speed depends on a number of factors including the drive and the media. Just use auto and let it figure it out.
[01:30] <stallion88> any clue how to configure the multimedia keys for my latitude d620??  the volume keys and muting....
[01:30] <khaled_> guys, how can i remove kde... i installed it using apt-get
[01:30] <draik> ||Trayer||:Its set to 'Auto' by default. You don't have to do anything. Just proceed with burning process
[01:30] <||Trayer||>  Draik: Though, it asked me for a max burning speed
[01:30] <deadagain> hola
[01:31] <Agios> khaled_: id you installed it with apt-get, remove it with apt-get. apt-get remove <whatever>
[01:31] <khaled_> thx, it's obvious that i am newbie
[01:33] <draik> ||Trayer||:I hope I was helpful. I hope I didn't confuse you or make things more complicated for you
[01:33] <stallion88> any clue how to configure the multimedia keys for my latitude d620??  the volume keys and muting....
[01:34] <rocketman768> so, after upgrading from breezy to dapper, after screwing up a lot of things, i notice that on startup, the pcmcia stuff is "fail"ing, but it doesn't hang. I tried the suggested trick in the upgrade manual online, but "dpkg --configure -a" comes back fine
[01:35] <Agios> stallion88: if anyone had an idea they would respong. Please give it an hour before asking again.
[01:35] <rocketman768> i suspect this is also what may be causing my internet not to work (or maybe completely separate). any ideas?
[01:36] <Agios> I have yet to see an "upgrade" on any distro that didn't hose something up.
[01:37] <Agios> for that reason I have learned to always to clean installs.
[01:37] <rocketman768> I had an inkling that it would screw up at least my /boot folder, so I backed that up (and needed it). It also wiped out my video drivers and other stuff that i haven't figured out
[01:38] <Agios> my advice would be to backup /home and do a clean install
[01:38] <noiesmo_> rocketman768, with re your upgrade and say network card, check /etc/iftab and ensure that the mac address there matches your nics mac
[01:39] <noiesmo_> rocketman768, i did an upgrade from breezy to dapper and it screwed up a few things but after muching around for a day got it sorted as Agios suggested for a newbie a fresh install is probably better
[01:39] <rocketman768> how do i check the mac and what would i then do? (it's built into the intel board btw)
[01:40] <tommy2k4> if i format my /home will the kubuntu installation still work
[01:41] <Agios> install wil recreate /home. You will only lose your data and personal settings.
[01:41] <Agios> if there is nothing there you want to keep, go ahead and format it
[01:42] <draik> Would there be a way of backing up your personal settings as one file that can be installed on a fresh install of Kubuntu?
[01:43] <noiesmo_> rocketman768, ifconfig -a
[01:44] <noiesmo_> draik, settings for kde should be in your home folder under .kde
[01:44] <noiesmo_> draik, the share folder holds the main configs etc
[01:44] <draik> noiesmo:So I can just backup that folder and I'm all set... All I need to do is copy it back in on the re-install of the OS?
[01:44] <noiesmo_> draik, if you use firefox or mozilla they will have there own dot directories in the user home folder
[01:45] <draik> noiesmo:So I backup all the ./directory ?
[01:45] <noiesmo_> draik, that handles your  kde settings it will not hold any of your documents music etc just hte kde settings
[01:46] <draik> noiesmo:That's fine. As long as I can save my settings for in case anything happens then I'm happy. Saves me time on figuring out how I had everything before
[01:47] <noiesmo_> draik, various apps create the dot files and folders in your home directory with settings for them
[01:47] <draik> <~~~NEWBIE!!!
[01:48] <noiesmo_> draik, just dont backup the .kde/cache-* socket-* and tmp-* from the .kde folder
[01:48] <__mikem> Hello, I just found something very interesting. Look at this http://www.simplekde.org/
[01:50] <draik> noiesmo:Noted
[01:51] <draik> THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP
[01:51] <noiesmo_> tommy2k4, did the recovery mode let you log in
[01:52] <noiesmo_> tommy2k4, was looking at info on gparted it doesnt like touching mounted partitions it was suggest to boot say knoppix and use qtparted on the partitions
[01:53] <asdfgh> !emulator
[01:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about emulator - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:54] <asdfgh> I am using windows xp, is there an emulator to run kubuntu under win xp pls?
[01:54] <noiesmo_> vmware or qmenu
[01:54] <abattoir> noiesmo_: qemu :)
[01:55] <noiesmo_> abattoir, oops soz
[01:55] <asdfgh> which is better?
[01:55] <h3sp4wn> asdfgh: The best is colinux
[01:56] <asdfgh> what is colinux?
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> Its like usermode linux for windows
[01:57] <asdfgh> tnx :)
[01:58] <asdfgh> so i think the best thing to do is colinux right?
[01:58] <h3sp4wn> Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. (I wouldn't use vmware or qemu at all)
[01:58] <h3sp4wn> too slow
[01:59] <asdfgh> too slow colinix or vmware / qemu ?
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> vmware or qemu - colinux is fast
[02:01] <asdfgh> good...i shall try it then :)
[02:02] <asdfgh> i am running the installation and it says to download debian (21mb extracts to 1gb), gentoo deluxe or no download
[02:02] <asdfgh> shall i choose no download for kubuntu?
[02:02] <kbrooks> 21 mb is..... huge compression
[02:03] <asdfgh> and gentoo linux 110 mb extracts to 2gb
[02:04] <gemidjy> I got this guy's problem too, any idea: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7020
[02:04] <unstablesob> !mp3
[02:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:04] <Tsed> kbrooks: Not really, considering the majority of that is empty space, iirc :p
[02:05] <chemaja> i know there exists a wiki KnownIssue on this, but has anyone actually attempted to repartition using the kubuntu installer, and if so, did it in fact crash?
[02:05] <kbrooks> Tsed: and you're ttelling me whitespace compresses easily?
[02:05] <Tsed> kbrooks: Quite.
[02:07] <kbrooks> Tsed: hehe
[02:10] <asdfgh> is colinux hard to install on windows?
[02:11] <asdfgh> !colinux
[02:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about colinux - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Why do people keep pushing for Linux to be the dominant desktop OS?
[02:15] <asdfgh> hmm i think installing kubuntu with colinux is going to be pain in the ass
[02:16] <gemidjy> DaSkreech: why not
[02:16] <noiesmo_> DaSkreech, because it rocks dude
[02:16] <DaSkreech> gemidjy: That's not fair. Answer my question :-P
[02:17] <gemidjy> DaSkreech: U are troll or Linux user that sees no point in making Linux Desktop OS ?
[02:17] <hub> DaSkreech: what should they push>
[02:17] <hub> DaSkreech: Windows? you are in the wrong channel
[02:17] <DaSkreech> gemidjy: Lots of point what's the point of making it The One to Rule Them All?
[02:18] <gemidjy> DaSkreech: giving people freedom?
[02:18] <abattoir> DaSkreech: i didnt expect *you* to be flamed here :P
[02:18] <DaSkreech> No why not just make Linux the best Linux it can be
[02:18] <gemidjy> because it is
[02:18] <gemidjy> guess what, already
[02:18] <dodger__> because the more exposure a project has, the easier it is to improve upon it
[02:19] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I just don't know why people keep thinking that there is some "force" behind Linux that should be rallied into making it a Business
[02:19] <gemidjy> gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available
[02:19] <gemidjy> gpg: signing failed: secret key not available
[02:19] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I agree with you - I don't like how bloated some of the desktop oriented linux distro's are becoming (switch to plan 9)
[02:19] <gemidjy> why I get this error
[02:19] <DaSkreech> noiesmo_: Damn Skippy
[02:19] <noiesmo_> skippy skippy the bush kangaroo
[02:19] <abattoir> DaSkreech: because the corporate honchos think they can make money out of it?
[02:19] <DaSkreech> noiesmo_: Oh Dude I totally have that song
[02:20] <noiesmo_> DaSkreech, aah hahaha
[02:20] <DaSkreech> abattoir: See I could understand if they were the only ones pushing that
[02:21] <DaSkreech> abattoir: There are a lot of people in the community who think that Linux is not "victorious" unless 51% of the world uses it
[02:21] <noiesmo_> DaSkreech, hey were do i find info on the kwin stuff for compiz you mentioned the other day
[02:21] <DaSkreech> noiesmo_: Umm SVN? :)
[02:21] <DaSkreech> noiesmo_: Check the commit digest
[02:21] <abattoir> DaSkreech: it is a matter of ego, people want what they use to be no. 1, because they think it reaffirm their 'correct' decision.
[02:22] <abattoir> *re-affirms
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: Canocial is a commercial entity - If they really were into it they would pay developers in the same way redhat does (to work on just any project they want at least for some of the time)
[02:22] <DaSkreech> Well how come the Amiga guys aren't trying to get the Govt's of the world to make it illegal to use anything but amiga?
[02:23] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: i think Canonical and Redhat have completely different goals, completely different objectives...
[02:23] <sopido> hi is there a howto for dist-upgrading to edgy from dapper (like common problems and things to consider)?
[02:23] <LjL> !edgy
[02:23] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[02:24] <DaSkreech> sopido: really if you are looking for a how-to on edgy I'd advise you not upgrade right now
[02:24] <dodger__> DaSkreech: good point, but this is actually quite the opposite -  the open document squabbles are about having an open format specification
[02:24] <abattoir> anyways, i'm dropping out of this 'off-topic' conversation... before crim*sun warns me again... :P
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: Maybe so but RedHat does more for Linux and opensource generally than Canocial does
[02:24] <dodger__> exactly to *prevent* one company from having a stranglehold on businesses
[02:24] <wolfmanz> I think linux needs one main distro that hardware and software makers can get behind that would be a huge improovement
[02:24] <sopido> i'll check ubuntu+1.. but DaSkreech why would you say so?
[02:24] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: hmmm, from what i've seen(and am seeing) i'd disagree...
[02:24] <abattoir> maybe #kubuntu-offtopic is the place?
[02:24] <DaSkreech> sopido: It's kinda likely to fry your machine on some random dist-upgrade currently
[02:25] <Agios> device drivers are integrated with the kernel, not the distro.
[02:25] <DaSkreech> Ok I think that I have done stirring today :)
[02:26] <wolfmanz> Agios were you ever a OP in a mandrake channle?
[02:26] <noiesmo_> DaSkreech, ya think
[02:26] <DaSkreech> sopido: don't use it as your main machine in other words
[02:26] <abattoir> DaSkreech: its fun to have a nice educated debate :)
[02:26] <Agios> wolfmanz: on undernet, not on freenode.
[02:26] <Agios> still am
[02:26] <wolfmanz> agios lol ya ok i knew that i seen that name somewhere lol
[02:26] <noiesmo_> DaSkreech, cheers check svn and the kwin_compisiting will keeo an eye on it http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2172
[02:27] <sopido> DaSkreech, i see.. well i consider this ;-)
[02:27] <Agios> I did hang in #mandriva on freenode for awhile.
[02:27] <wolfmanz> Agios i was in there a fair bit when i was looking into mandrake
[02:27] <wolfmanz> Agios this was on undernet i'm talking about
[02:27] <Hendelson> People good night, how edit sources list? please
[02:27] <Agios> wolfmanz: I remember seeing your nick before :)
[02:27] <DaSkreech> Hendelson: YOu can do it from inside adept
[02:28] <LjL> Hendelson: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:28] <DaSkreech> Can k3b handle bluray?
[02:28] <noiesmo_> Hendelson, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:28] <Hendelson> Thanks brothers
[02:28] <wolfmanz> Agios so your a kunbuntu guy now?
[02:29] <Agios> wolfmanz: I just moved to kubuntu on my desktop. I still have 2 other boxes running Mandriva.
[02:29] <wolfmanz> Agios what do you think of kubuntu sofar?
[02:29] <bastiq> I need help to install Gaim2
[02:29] <DaSkreech> noiesmo_: Oh Yeah I read that :-)
[02:29] <Agios> I like it. I had several issues but all are worked out except one.
[02:30] <bastiq> I can't install the rpm packages.
[02:30] <Kadran> hi i all
[02:30] <Agios> bastiq: apt-get install gaim
[02:30] <noiesmo_> DaSkreech, http://liquidat.wordpress.com/tag/free-software/kde/kde4/page/2/ says k3b handles bluray
[02:30] <Agios> and forget about rpm packages, those won't work on a ubuntu system
[02:31] <abattoir> noiesmo_: in kde4 ?
[02:31] <bastiq> Agios: I don't get the beta 2 if i do that, right?
[02:31] <Kadran> how could i share a file so can i get it from a remote pc
[02:31] <abattoir> noiesmo_: oh, ok
[02:31] <Agios> barros: you will get the latest stable version, whatever that might be
[02:32] <bastiq> Stable is for chickens :P
[02:32] <Agios> or those who like things to work :)
[02:33] <Agios> bastiq: apt-cache search gaim    will list what's available
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> bastiq: deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free (get it from there) apt-get source
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Kadran: What's on the other machine?
[02:34] <gemidjy> can I use apt-get with repos from cd without adding public-key ?
[02:35] <Kadran> DaSkreech: a windows machine in my work and i want to be able to exchange files from my pc (linux) at home, something like pcanywhare for windows
[02:36] <farous> Kadran: did you look into doing that through ssh
[02:36] <DaSkreech> Kadran: Ah You could try ssh?
[02:36] <Kadran> farous: i don't know how to do it, could you please give me a link for a tutorial?
[02:37] <bastiq> Hmm... what's the name of the gaim beta 2 package?
[02:37] <thompa> are the repos. working again?
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Kadran: First install openssh-server
[02:37] <farous> Kadran: you connect to your work machine through the internet right. Sorry can not think of any tutorial in my case i just googled it
[02:38] <farous> Kadran: but you can look into samba and ssh
[02:38] <Kadran> thanks alot , you have helped me and gaved me a startpoint so i can move in
[02:38] <Kadran> thanks guys :D
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Kadran: You are transferring from work to home?
[02:39] <noiesmo_> bastiq, gaim 2 is gaim but theres a repo you can add to sources.list to get gaim 2 beta
[02:39] <gemidjy> how can I add repo from DVD ?
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Gaim2 is out???
[02:40] <noiesmo_> gaim2 here deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb ./ and this deb-src http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb ./
[02:40] <noiesmo_> http://konsumer.wordpress.com/2006/04/18/gaim2-beta3-ubuntu/
[02:41] <noiesmo_> DaSkreech, gaim2 ^^^
[02:41] <bastiq> noiesmo_: Should i add those in my sources.lst?
[02:41] <noiesmo_> bastiq, yep
[02:41] <rr72> hello, anyone have a few minutes to see if they can help me get kdm worki ng again for me? it terminates with signal 11
[02:41] <noiesmo_> bastiq, then do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install gaim
[02:41] <bastiq> thanks
[02:41] <noiesmo_> bastiq, np
[02:43] <gemidjy_> how do I add repository from DVD ?
[02:43] <noiesmo_> gemidjy, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[02:45] <bastiq> noisemo_: That messed up my sources.list... this is what i wrote:
[02:45] <bastiq> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb
[02:45] <bastiq> deb-src http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb
[02:45] <noiesmo_> bastiq, you forgot  ./ on lines as above
[02:45] <noiesmo_> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb ./
[02:45] <gemidjy_> how do I add repository from DVD ?
[02:45] <noiesmo_> deb-src http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb ./
[02:45] <bastiq> ahh
[02:45] <noiesmo_> gemidjy, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[02:46] <noiesmo_> bastiq, np :)
[02:47] <bastiq> I hope this beta have what i missed in gaim :)
[02:47] <bastiq> 1.5
[02:48] <gemidjy_> how do I add repository from DVD ?
[02:48] <gemidjy_> ups sorry
[02:49] <gemidjy_> noiesmo: u dont understand, do ya?
[02:49] <noiesmo> gemidjy, add this to your current repos restricted universe multiverse
[02:50] <noiesmo> gemidjy, soz
[02:50] <gemidjy_> I want to use DVD as repository
[02:50] <gemidjy_> not to use dvd
[02:50] <noiesmo> gemidjy, yes apt-cdrom
[02:51] <gemidjy_> noiesmo: apt-cdrom searches in my CD drive and it can't find Repositories there, it doesn't even check the DVD drive
[02:52] <natan-> why is it that programs don't always start on the first try?
[02:53] <PokerFacePenguin> natan-: good question, and I thought it was just me
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Great http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/stoppage_1.html just great
[02:54] <gemidjy_> damn *buntu community needs polishing
[02:54] <henriquev> natan-, PokerFacePenguin: it's related to leak of memory, I suppose
[02:55] <henriquev> memory resources
[02:55] <natan-> like the update manager that pops up saying it needs to update
[02:55] <natan-> i put in my password
[02:55] <natan-> and it only actually starts up on the second time
[02:55] <natan-> nearly always
[02:56] <natan-> if a program isn't going to load the the first time i ask it to i wish i could get some sort of message so i'm not waiting for it to start :P
[02:57] <henriquev> natan-: don't you realize that even the thing which would displays this message could get in trouble? :)
[02:57] <henriquev> and that sometimes it may be impossible...
[02:58] <henriquev> due to lack of resources, for example :)
[02:58] <henriquev> :P
[02:58] <henriquev> there's a thing called priority (which I don't known how it works at all, but is related to this problem, I think so)
[02:59] <DaSkreech> henriquev: Good explanation
[02:59] <henriquev> :P
[03:00] <shaun_b> hello
[03:00] <shaun_b> anyone here?
[03:00] <henriquev> 240, including me and you
[03:01] <gnomefreak> .n
[03:01] <shaun_b> hah, well, there wasn't much chatter :P
[03:01] <henriquev> shaun_b: is it expensive international calls from there? My father arrived there at morning and still didn't called home except to say he's alive... :P
[03:01] <shaun_b> i'm looking for some help regarding webcams in kubuntu
[03:02] <henriquev> could you relate it?
[03:02] <henriquev> go streight to the point :)
[03:02] <henriquev> s/streight/straight
[03:02] <shaun_b> ok, well, if i try to go to the device configuration, kopete crashes
[03:02] <shaun_b> if i have my webcam plugged in
[03:03] <shaun_b> if i try to send my webcam, as soon as the other person accepts, kopete crashes trying to open it on my computer
[03:03] <henriquev> I can't help you with this... But have you tried openning Kopete using the console to see what error message does it shows up?
[03:04] <shaun_b> yes, but then it didn't crash, it just started to hang
[03:04] <henriquev> (do you knewn a Logitech's webcam is being selled by Future Canada by $10 CAD after rebate? :P)
[03:04] <shaun_b> this is a logitech webcam
[03:04] <kbrooks> henriquev: awfully cheap
[03:04] <kbrooks> really.
[03:05] <shaun_b> yes
[03:05] <henriquev> shaun_b: could you display the output for us? (maybe using pastebin.ca)
[03:05] <secleinteer> he said it just hung
[03:05] <shaun_b> i have tried using xawtv
[03:05] <secleinteer> unless you can get output from gui version?
[03:05] <shaun_b> i can give you the output from that
[03:05] <shaun_b> if i xawtv -c /dev/video0
[03:05] <shaun_b> i get X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode
[03:06] <henriquev> kbrooks: yes, I just don't buy it because these things doesn't accept international rebate and I don't live there (my father who is there and I discovered it after googling for a digital camera)...
[03:06] <shaun_b> however, if i do xawtv -c /dev/video0 -nodga it works
[03:07] <secleinteer> can u mod the kopete options to do that in gui?
[03:07] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech what would cause xmms to not load mp3's off the ntfs drive via konqueror but if i load conqueror through the terminal and then try and get xmms to play a song through konqueror it works fine?
[03:08] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: say that again?
[03:08] <shaun_b> http://pastebin.ca/97740
[03:08] <wolfmanz> lol
[03:08] <DaSkreech> Xmms won't play mp3s from konqueror but it will play mp3s from konqueror?
[03:08] <abattoir> hehe
[03:09] <abattoir> wolfmanz: have you tried changing the path from media:/hda1 to /media/hda1 for eg. ?
[03:09] <noiesmo> shaun_b, what permissions are on /dev/vedio0
[03:09] <secleinteer> i tried playing mp3s from a win box on the lan using xmms & konqueror, but it never works
[03:09] <shaun_b> crw-rw----  1 root video    81,   0 2006-07-23 20:27 video0
[03:10] <shaun_b> i'm in the video group
[03:10] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech no what i said was if i load conqueror up via a terminal window just plain lopad no sudo i can then play mp3's from conqueror yet if i try and just load conqueror from the desktop and try and play mp3's from konqueror using xmms it dont work
[03:10] <noiesmo> So you have (as root) to change the permission of your video-device-files: chmod o+rw /dev/video0; chmod o+rw /dev/video1. In addition, I made an entry for the user who wants to use the video devices in /etc/group: add the user name in the line starting with 'video'. However, this alone did not help and the permissions of the device files had to be modified
[03:11] <shaun_b> i already have rw rights to the device
[03:11] <shaun_b> i'm part of the video group
[03:11] <farous> noiesmo: isn't adding himself to the video group just do it
[03:11] <shaun_b> and as i said, if i use xawtv -c /dev/video0 -nodga i can view my webcam successfully
[03:11] <wolfmanz> Daskreech also one other thing XMMS can play the file just fine off the ntfs volume when i open the folder up using xmms
[03:12] <noiesmo> shaun_b, farous this is from here have used it on a deb system with logitech thought it might help http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/linux/webcam.html
[03:12] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: Really? Hmm ok Does the konsole throw any errors?
[03:13] <abattoir> wolfmanz: tried what i said?
[03:13] <farous> thnx noiesmo i remember thought there were a package that made video easy
[03:13] <shaun_b> thanks noiesmo, i'll give it a try
[03:13] <farous> !webcam
[03:13] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:13] <farous> shaun_b: ^  ^
[03:14] <inukotsu> hello?
[03:15] <inukotsu> i need some help
[03:15] <inukotsu> anyone online?
[03:15] <noiesmo> no
[03:15] <abattoir> inukotsu: there are 243 ppl online :)
[03:15] <abattoir> atleast here
[03:15] <inukotsu> yeah well...
[03:15] <inukotsu> anyways
[03:15] <DaSkreech> shhh everyone quiet...
[03:16] <abattoir> hehe
[03:16] <abattoir> inukotsu: what help do you need?
[03:16] <inukotsu> i installed linux onto a harddrive and then movied the hd to my sis's com (where it belongs), and now when i boot all i get is the bash shell
[03:16] <wolfmanz> Daskreech are you talking about when i load konqueror up in the terminal?
[03:17] <noiesmo> inukotsu, you'll need to reconfigure xserver
[03:17] <DaSkreech> wolfmanz: I guess. When you go into the folder
[03:17] <inukotsu> what command should, i use
[03:17] <noiesmo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the right video etc
[03:17] <inukotsu> i allready tried that
[03:17] <wolfmanz> Daskreech no i dont get any errors then but when i first load up konqueror i get the following
[03:17] <inukotsu> it said it didnt recognise the command
[03:18] <wolfmanz> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[03:18] <wolfmanz>   Major opcode:  145
[03:18] <noiesmo> inukotsu, it doesnt recongnise dpkg-reconfigure
[03:18] <wolfmanz>   Minor opcode:  3
[03:19] <wolfmanz>   Minor opcode:  3
[03:19] <wolfmanz>  Resource id:  0x0
[03:19] <inukotsu> i typed it just like this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:19] <inukotsu> i tried removing the "sudo"
[03:19] <wolfmanz> Failed to open device
[03:19] <inukotsu> same shit
[03:19] <wolfmanz> that error shows up twice
[03:20] <noiesmo> inukotsu, ok do dpkg-query -l |grep xserver
[03:20] <inukotsu> okay, lemie try that
[03:20] <noiesmo> inukotsu, you should get a list of whats installed related to xserver
[03:21] <inukotsu> gimmie a sec
[03:21] <noiesmo> inukotsu, ok
[03:21] <Lord_Athur> hi
[03:21] <inukotsu> command not found
[03:22] <inukotsu> for the record, i am running pclinuxos. the ubunto cd hasnt gotten here yet :(
[03:22] <noiesmo> inukotsu, ok lets try this sudo -i
[03:22] <inukotsu> okay
[03:22] <noiesmo> inukotsu, that will put you in root shell
[03:22] <abattoir> lol
[03:22] <noiesmo> inukotsu, now try dokg-query -l |grep xserver
[03:22] <wolfmanz> DaSkreech that error is nothing to do with my problem i just looked it up and iots something to do with x server looking for a wacom device aka a pen and tablet
[03:23] <Hawkwind> inukotsu: You realize PCLinuxOS has their own support channel on Efnet ??
[03:23] <inukotsu> it just made a new line
[03:23] <inukotsu> its dead
[03:23] <Hawkwind> inukotsu: PcLinuxOS also has a traditional root account, as they are based on Mandriva
[03:23] <Hawkwind> inukotsu: No it's not
[03:23] <abattoir> and they dont have dpkg
[03:23] <inukotsu> eh?
[03:23] <Hawkwind> abattoir: They don't ?  They use apt-get
[03:23] <noiesmo> is inukotsu not running ubuntu or kubuntu
[03:23] <Hawkwind> noiesmo: No he's not, he stated that
[03:24] <noiesmo> Hawkwind, dam missed that bit
[03:24] <Hawkwind> <-(  inukotsu  )->   for the record, i am running pclinuxos. the ubunto cd hasnt gotten here yet :(
[03:24] <Hawkwind> noiesmo: Heh
[03:24] <inukotsu> damd, i would kill for a command prompt....
[03:24] <abattoir> Hawkwind: ugh, sorry my mistake... i thought they used rpm...
[03:24] <Hawkwind> inukotsu: su -
[03:24] <abattoir> Hawkwind: apt-get rpm ?
[03:24] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Nope.  Texstar used apt-get over urpmi
[03:24] <ironfroggy> any idea how to enable borderless printing on a capable printer?
[03:24] <Hawkwind> I'm sure they have apt4rpm as well
[03:24] <inukotsu> hold on, i'll try it
[03:24] <abattoir> Hawkwind: but isnt dpkg the tool for debs?
[03:25] <inukotsu> it made another new line
[03:25] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Yeah.  So they probably don't have dpkg :P
[03:25] <abattoir> Hawkwind: hehe
[03:25] <Hawkwind> inukotsu: You really should consider getting help in the appropriate places
[03:25] <inukotsu> yeah
[03:25] <inukotsu> thanks for trying though
[03:25] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I wasn't thinking clearly, obviously
[03:25] <inukotsu> cya
[03:26] <abattoir> Hawkwind: i though i had got something wrong
[03:30] <intelikey> console fonts are hosed on higher tty's    anyone know a fix ?
[03:33] <ironfroggy> i would like to allow one box to share its apt archive with my other machines, so they dont have to download the same thing over and over. but one is a laptop, so i wont be able to access the archive folder at all when im away and apt will break. is there a way around this?
[03:47] <ubuntu_> What would cause kubuntu to not load up properly i'm stuck at the kubuntu loading screen where that progress bar is
[03:48] <abattoir> ubuntu_: you arent speaking about the livecd right? what is the last message displayed?
[03:48] <ubuntu_> no this is wolfmanz by the way lol
[03:49] <ubuntu_> i'm in a live cd riht now becasue the system wouldnt boot
[03:49] <abattoir> heh, so you are on the livecd :)
[03:49] <ubuntu_> uh huh lol
[03:49] <abattoir> i wont help you, because you didnt listen to me :-\
[03:49] <ubuntu_> would editiing the xorg config file casue that issue with the boot?
[03:49] <abattoir> :P
[03:49] <abattoir> ubuntu_: of course, that is one of the main reasons :P
[03:50] <abattoir> ubuntu_: what exactly did you do?
[03:50] <intelikey> only if you consider xorg as part of the 'boot' process. i don't.
[03:50] <abattoir> ubuntu_: what was the last message?
[03:50] <ubuntu_> i commented out the lines for the wacom device that was giving me the error
[03:50] <abattoir> ubuntu_: well, if you did that properly, then i dont think that'd cause it...
[03:50] <ubuntu_> i saved that then hit ctrl alt backspace and it just sat there
[03:50] <unix_infidel> when using qtparted, do you guys recommend I do it from a live cd?
[03:51] <abattoir> ubuntu_: and you shutdown improperly?
[03:51] <ubuntu_> i closed the apps down and hit ctrl alt backspace
[03:52] <abattoir> ubuntu_: and then... you restarted... you just hit the power button?
[03:52] <intelikey> ubuntu_ did you remove the lines   inputdevice wacom   and the later mentions of the input device  or just the one section ???
[03:53] <ubuntu_> no i hit ctrl alt backspace and it sat there for a few minutes at that loading screen aftera  few minutes went by then i powered down the machine and the kubuntu kicked in and it shut the machine off
[03:53] <ubuntu_> no i commented them out with #
[03:53] <abattoir> unix_infidel: it would be the better option
[03:55] <intelikey> my console fonts are hosed on higher tty's     anyone know a fix ?
[03:55] <intelikey>   <--- that should be something like _________   it's part of an ascII box
[03:55] <ubuntu_> actullay  i think your on to something i think i just did the firwst section i dont think i made it to the last section of the file
[03:55] <JRH3K5> Question:  is there any utility for Linux that will create a folder based on the artist ID3 tag, and move the files by that artist into that folder?
[03:57] <rr72> i am in need of assistance
[03:57] <rr72> kdm keeps terminating
[03:57] <rr72> signal 11
[04:00] <intelikey> xsane - GTK+-based X11 frontend for SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy)
[04:01] <ubuntu_> abattior is there a way to over ride the xorg config so i can load the machine up and make the changes ?
[04:02] <ubuntu_> abattoir is there a way to over ride the xorg config so i can load the machine up and make the changes ?
[04:02] <abattoir> ubuntu_: you can restore the original xorg.conf w/ 'sudo dexconf'
[04:03] <abattoir> ubuntu_: if that is actually the issue
[04:03] <abattoir> ubuntu_: however if a hard reset did something... could be a prob w/ your filesystem
[04:03] <abattoir> since you have a habit of not answering my questions :P
[04:03] <JRH3K5> I'm trying to change root's password
[04:03] <abattoir> I cant exactly say :)
[04:03] <JRH3K5> sudo passwd root does not work
[04:04] <nixbox> is there a package for installing flash support in firefox?
[04:04] <ubuntu_> no i think its that file but how can i get to a command promp before that kubuntu load screen comes up?
[04:04] <intelikey> sudo passwd root does work if sudo works
[04:04] <intelikey> sudo echo blah
[04:04] <JRH3K5> Sudo works
[04:04] <JRH3K5> It just doesn't change the password
[04:05] <intelikey> if it says blah then sudo works, if not sudo is not working for you.
[04:05] <JRH3K5> It echo'ed blah
[04:05] <intelikey> the sudo passwd root does work.
[04:05] <JRH3K5> And, I repeat, sudo passwd root does not change the password
[04:05] <JRH3K5> Because when I sudo with the new password, I'm told that my password is incorrect
[04:05] <noiesmo> JRH3K5, ok try sudo -i then you should be root then do passwd root
[04:06] <bastiq> Hmm... i think my xorg.conf got messed up. That's strange is that i didn't touch it.
[04:06] <noiesmo> JRH3K5, the sudo password is yours not rootds
[04:06] <intelikey> JRH3K5 hahah  that's not what sudo passwd root sets.   lol
[04:06] <JRH3K5> :/
[04:06] <noiesmo> JRH3K5, if you want to change the sudo password then change yours
[04:06] <JRH3K5> I was misinformed!
[04:06] <bastiq> It added a lot of this everywhere and my resolution is really wierd... like if it's widescreen. modeline  "1024x768@85" 94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync
[04:06] <ubuntu_> abattoir how do i get to a command promp before the loading screen for kubuntu?
[04:06] <JRH3K5> :(
[04:07] <intelikey> what sudo passwd root does set is the root passwd.  not the user passwd.
[04:07] <abattoir> ubuntu_: i'm again asking you... what is the last message you see before it freezes...
[04:07] <noiesmo> ubuntu, when you boot go into recovery mode or ctl+alt+f1
[04:07] <intelikey> passwd      sets the user password
[04:07] <ubuntu_> no message it freezes at the progress bar
[04:07] <abattoir> ubuntu_: because if the root filesystem cant be mounted, you cant get a shell from the system
[04:08] <abattoir> ubuntu_: you mean the bootsplash right? so before even a single entry comes there, it freezes?
[04:08] <abattoir> ubuntu_: then could be an initrd issue
[04:09] <abattoir> ubuntu_: another questio you evaded, :P, did you do a hard reset after the Ctrl+Alt+BS lockup?
[04:09] <bastiq> It also believes i have another monitor
[04:09] <intelikey> JRH3K5 seeing that you don't fully grasp sudo and the root/user accounts   do this so the *buntu zeolots wont hassel you.      sudo passwd -l root
[04:09] <ubuntu_> abattoir it goes through the laod up stuff where you see all the OK for everything after that it sits there i dont even make it into the user login
[04:10] <bastiq> !xorg
[04:10] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:10] <abattoir> ubuntu_: ugh, what is the last message you see in the 'load up stuff w/ all the OKs' ?
[04:10] <ubuntu_> abattoir no i was about to do a hard reset and i took my finger off the button when i seen the kubuntu was doing its normal shut down
[04:10] <intelikey> JRH3K5 then use    passwd     to set your own password, which is what you were trying to do.
[04:10] <abattoir> ubuntu_: ok, what is the last error msg?
[04:10] <abattoir> sorry, last message
[04:10] <ubuntu_> i didnt see any error message
[04:11] <JRH3K5> ...no, I wasn't trying to reset my own password.
[04:11] <abattoir> ubuntu_: yes, i corrected myself, said the last entry in the long list of loading stuff....
[04:11] <abattoir> ubuntu_: :'(
[04:11] <ubuntu_> no id ea lol
[04:11] <ubuntu_> i seen a bunch of OK's lol
[04:12] <abattoir> ubuntu_: the last thing which is OK/not OK, will give us a clue as to what is happening
[04:12] <bastiq> Can i remove section "monitor" and hope it will autodetect it if i reboot?
[04:13] <ubuntu_> ok i will reboot and see what the last ok is i'm pretty sure though its that file i only edited half of what i was supposed to
[04:13] <noiesmo> bastiq, no i wouldnt do that you need to reconfigure
[04:13] <bastiq> how?
[04:13] <noiesmo> bastiq, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:14] <smithsr93> how do I make websites with windows media player work, like nickjr.com work with Kubuntu?
[04:15] <secleinteer> smithsr93: if it's wmv, i don't know if you can
[04:15] <noiesmo> smithsr93, mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla
[04:15] <secleinteer> damn does that really work?
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> smithsr93: you need to install the restricted codecs
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> !restricted
[04:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:16] <nixbox> secleinteer,  yup
[04:16] <smithsr93> I have installed the win32codecs
[04:17] <secleinteer> once you install mozilla-mplayer, will it automagically work? or is there some configging you have to do after that?
[04:17] <bastiq> Didn't get any better... :/
[04:17] <smithsr93> Where can I find the other codece listed like, libxine-extracodecs?
[04:17] <secleinteer> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[04:18] <secleinteer> btw if firefox plugins don't work for you, copy the files to /home/[user] /.mozilla/plugins from wherever you have firefox install
[04:18] <noiesmo> smithsr93, add universe and multiverse to your sources.list ant then sudo apt-get update then you caan get w32codecs and libxine-extras
[04:18] <secleinteer> installed*
[04:18] <smithsr93> just did that, and go =t" Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate"
[04:19] <smithsr93> Sorry for the newbieness, but how do I add the universe and multiverse in Kubuntu?
[04:20] <abattoir> !multiverse
[04:20] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:20] <noiesmo> smithsr93, ^^^^^^^^^
[04:21] <smithsr93> !easysource??
[04:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about easysource?? - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:21] <bastiq> that reconfig didn't change anything i xorg.config
[04:21] <abattoir> !easysource
[04:21] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:21] <smithsr93> Thank you I will try your advice.
[04:22] <wolfmanz> abattoir ok i'm back in and ya it was the config file thatw as the issue
[04:22] <abattoir> wolfmanz: xorg.conf?
[04:22] <wolfmanz> thanks to whoever mentioned the ctrl alt f1
[04:22] <wolfmanz> ya
[04:22] <abattoir> wolfmanz: and for the xmms thing, make sure the url you load from is /media/hda1 rather than media:/hda1
[04:23] <abattoir> for example, that is
[04:23] <wolfmanz> the xmms thing is a really strange thing
[04:24] <abattoir> wolfmanz: afaik, xmms doesnt handle kioslaves like media:/ so konqueror might pass that url to xmms... and hence the problem
[04:24] <wolfmanz> ya but why does it work depending on how konqueror is loaded?
[04:25] <bastiq> this is fucked up. soon i'll just delete half my xorg.config
[04:25] <wolfmanz> bastiq dont do that lol
[04:25] <bastiq> Why? It has 2 graphic cards and 2 monitors
[04:25] <bastiq> but i only have 1 of each
[04:25] <abattoir> wolfmanz: maybe clicking on the desktop loads something like home:/user, while loading from the cli loads a default profile which has /home/user
[04:26] <bastiq> and reconfigure says i wont change anything because of some x server thing
[04:26] <DrBair> kpdf on my laptop is dead. It opens, but can't open any files. Any ideas
[04:26] <abattoir> DrBair: did you try loading from the cli? any unusual errors?
[04:27] <abattoir> DrBair: the file open dialog doesnt come up?
[04:28] <DrBair> abattoir: yes, unknown mimetype application/x-kdeuser3
[04:28] <DrBair> open dialog does come up... but no files appear in it
[04:29] <abattoir> DrBair: no files whatsoever? or only pdf files dont show up ?
[04:29] <DrBair> abattoir: nothing
[04:29] <DrBair> abattoir: and pdf files do not have the acrobat icon...
[04:30] <abattoir> DrBair: weird... you tried changing Kpdf's default file associations?
[04:30] <||Trayer||> Does K3B support Multi-session disks?
[04:30] <DrBair> abattoir: yes, still no go
[04:30] <abattoir> DrBair: hmmm... what happens when you rt.click on a file and open w/ kpdf ?
[04:30] <DrBair> abattoir: same deal
[04:30] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: of course !
[04:31] <abattoir> DrBair: maybe changing the default file associations did something :P...
[04:31] <||Trayer||> Huzzah ^^;!  Also, does anyone have an opinion on the program Inkscape and if it's safe?
[04:31] <abattoir> DrBair: ok, ok, i guess it happened even before that
[04:31] <abattoir> DrBair: you have any other PDF app installed? Adobe Reader, kghostview?
[04:32] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: afaik, it's the best SVG solution for linux...
[04:32] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: It's GTK... not safe... :P
[04:32] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: hehe, was kidding :)
[04:33] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: oO; Lol.  I was contemplating re-installing my comp with UBUNTU, but, I don't think I could live without Kopete :O
[04:33] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: While i'd strongly suggest staying w/ KDE(i'm zealous :P), i'd also tell you that you can run kopete from gnome
[04:34] <nixbox> ||Trayer||,  whats so special about kopete? :P
[04:34] <DrBair> abattoir: Adobe... which works find and I think started this mess
[04:34] <abattoir> DrBair: that'd be my guess too :)
[04:34] <||Trayer||>  nixbox: I like the look and feel of it 1000x more than GAIM, And it's multi protocols over aMSN
[04:35] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: I'm just curiousk, so if i may ask, what do you find lacking in KDE/Kubuntu compared to Ubuntu?
[04:35] <abattoir> *curious
[04:35] <wolfmanz> ok round 2 of editing the xorg file lets see if this boots up lol brb
[04:35] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: this is not to start a flame war and is purely of academic interest :)
[04:36] <nixbox> ||Trayer||,  do you really multiple instant messaging services?
[04:36] <abattoir> wolfmanz: hehe, anyway now you know what to do :)
[04:36] <ubuntu_> Bah :(
[04:36] <nixbox> s/ /use
[04:36] <farous_> abattoir: one word here it does not crash to much
[04:36] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: KDE Crashed a few times on me already, and In my previous ventures gnome has only hardlocked on me once.  Also gnome is 'simpler' I find.
[04:37] <abattoir> farous_: hmmm KDE crashes or specific apps crash?
[04:37] <||Trayer||>  nixbox: Not really, 99.9% of my contacts (2 are yahoo) are msn.  But it's nice to always have the oppurtunity to add more.  And I just like the 'feel' of the program
[04:37] <farous_> most application in kde crash too often
[04:37] <farous_> yet kde is much better integrated
[04:37] <nixbox> ||Trayer||,  so you are more in love with the feel of the program, hehe
[04:37] <||Trayer||>  nixbox: Awwww yeah ; )
[04:37] <abattoir> farous_, ||Trayer|| hmm, you guys using Dapper w/ 3.5.2 i assume...
[04:37] <DrBair> abattoir: got it... pdf files had 4 mimetypes associated with them
[04:38] <DrBair> abattoir: deleted the weird ones and everyone was happy :-)
[04:38] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: I'm usuing whichever one comes with the CD downlaod
[04:38] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: As of, 2 days ag
[04:38] <abattoir> DrBair: i guess Adobe Reader added them :P
[04:38] <||Trayer||> *ago
[04:38] <farous_> abattoir: i started using kde when i started linux some 9 years ago
[04:38] <abattoir> ||Trayer||, farous_ : ok, thanks for your opinion. :)
[04:38] <abattoir> farous_: oh
[04:38] <||Trayer||> Is firefox worth getting over konqueror?
[04:39] <farous_> abattoir: :)
[04:39] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: hmmm depends on what your requirements are
[04:40] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: Non really, just wondering in general if it is worth the download.
[04:40] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: for me konqueror seems faster than firefox(maybe due to the qtk-qt engine), but i used to use firefox for the extensions...
[04:40] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: Doesn't Konq support firefox extensions...?
[04:40] <wolfmanz> abattoir ok everything is back to normal for a few minutes atleast
[04:40] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: you could definitely give both a try and stick w/ what you like...
[04:41] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: nope
[04:41] <abattoir> wolfmanz: hehe, till you go messing around again :P
[04:41] <||Trayer||> Does Videolan (VLC) support .wmv?
[04:41] <OOD> no it doesnt
[04:41] <OOD> you need win32 codecs to play wmv files
[04:41] <||Trayer||> hmm, wine : )?
[04:42] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: win32codecs...
[04:42] <abattoir> OOD: doesnt vlc come w/ inbuilt support for wmv?
[04:42] <wolfmanz> abattior i have to go messing around this OS needs to be refined more i still dont know why my login screen is at 1600 x 1200 i tried that vga=791 deal and that didnt do anything
[04:42] <OOD> no, just download the win32 codecs from here: http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/design7/codecs.html
[04:42] <abattoir> wolfmanz: login screen or the bootup screen?
[04:43] <OOD> get the windows essentials download, and copy all the files to where it says in the readme
[04:43] <farous_> OOD: w32codecs is in one of the extra repos
[04:43] <farous_> !easysource
[04:43] <OOD> then kaffeine will be able to play wmv files
[04:43] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:43] <OOD> is it?
[04:43] <farous_> look at ubotu link
[04:43] <OOD> then that'll be easier
[04:44] <wolfmanz> abattoir the bootup one the first one you see where it wants you to log in before it loads all the KDE stuff up
[04:44] <abattoir> hmm, does the VLC page also detect my distro or is the presence of "Download for Ubuntu" a fluke?
[04:44] <abattoir> i guess its the former
[04:44] <||Trayer||> Has anyone run the game "Nexiuz" on KDE before,? (It is linux native)
[04:44] <OOD> heh, i'm always taking the long way around everything :D
[04:44] <||Trayer||> (And free, and open source)
[04:44] <OOD> yea i have
[04:44] <||Trayer||> Is it any good?
[04:44] <OOD> it
[04:44] <abattoir> wolfmanz: ok, you did mean the login screen... afaik, it uses the same Resolution that X does(because it is X)...
[04:45] <OOD> it's a lot of fun, almost as good as unreall 2004
[04:45] <abattoir> wolfmanz: so whatever res. you get in KDE, you should get it there
[04:45] <||Trayer||> Ah, well, you see I have that to ; ).
[04:45] <||Trayer||> Hmm, I need to find my UT CDs and remember how to install them = \
[04:45] <farous_> OOD: :) it is the way i used to take for some time too then i was spoiled
[04:45] <wolfmanz> abattoir my desk top res is 1024 by 768 and the res on that login is like i said 1600 by 1200
[04:46] <abattoir> wolfmanz: hmmm, are you sure? i dont think it'd be possible...
[04:46] <OOD> ||Trayer||: Unreal Tournament 2004 has a linux installer
[04:46] <abattoir> wolfmanz: even if that is the case, i am not aware of a place where you can change it
[04:46] <abattoir> wolfmanz: wait a sec
[04:47] <wolfmanz> abattoir yup i'm sure my monitor even does the res switch thing when it comes off the screen and loads up the desktop
[04:47] <wolfmanz> abattoir i think the default install res for kubuntu was 1600 by 1200
[04:48] <bastiq> Yea! Haxxor bastiq!
[04:48] <OOD> farous: i prefer to do everything by myself, don't like all the automatix and easy ubuntu stuff :P
[04:48] <Agios> your xorg virtual size is different from the monitor physical resolution.
[04:48] <Agios> check xorg.conf to verify
[04:48] <farous_> OOD: never used them myself
[04:48] <bastiq> i restored the xorg by taking the one that the live-cd creates
[04:48] <farous_> i ment having a package for wincodec and spe or wrappers for python progs
[04:49] <||Trayer||>  OOD: I'm quite the noob though, it takes ALOT of time for me to figure out ; ).  I think I got it now after my fourth time, DONT CD into the CD (Heh, pun intended), do a "sudo sh /media/hdb/linux-installer.sh" and then rightclick the CD icon on the desktop to eject.  Also update video drivers before running and run UT2004 in sudo,
[04:49] <abattoir> wolfmanz: i cant seem to find any options in KDM for changing the res... you could try asking at #kde
[04:49] <||Trayer||> Oh, On that! Unless I run UT2004 in sudo it gets an error
[04:49] <Jame1> Greetings.  I've a new Kubuntu Dapper installation that is having issues with proprietary formats.  I've followed through the RestrictedFormats page on the wiki, but I've still got several issues.
[04:49] <Jame1> First off, if I try to play an mp3 file in amarok, the program simply skips past each song in order, as if it's 0 length.
[04:50] <wolfmanz> abattoir i dont think its a KDE issues its the xserver thing
[04:50] <OOD> farous: yeah i know, but it's definitely more convinient to just grab it from the repository :)
[04:50] <Jame1> Has anyone seen this?  (It's not on th eDapperKnownPrograms link in the topic)
[04:50] <||Trayer||> Oh, Out of question... where should I usually install a game/app to?
[04:50] <abattoir> wolfmanz: hmmm, i havent heard of such a problem, i have no clue sorry...
[04:50] <farous_> :)
[04:50] <||Trayer||> I spent an hour trying to figure it out, to like, a folder in home?
[04:50] <abattoir> Jame1: have you installed libxine-extracodecs ?
[04:50] <Jame1> Sound itself works for system sounds and such, but that's it.
[04:50] <Jame1> abattoir: I believe so.  I'll double check.
[04:51] <Jame1> Yep, it's already installed.
[04:51] <Jessehk> When choosing a gtk theme to use with gnome apps in the control center, where does it get the themes from? Some vital ones (for me) are missing from the available list.
[04:51] <wolfmanz> abattoir i will get to the bottom of it it will just take some time and a few more system crashes lol
[04:51] <abattoir> wolfmanz: heh
[04:51] <abattoir> Jame1: and the xine-engine is selected in amarok right?
[04:51] <||Trayer||>  Where should I install the standard game/app? /home/games?
[04:52] <OOD> ||Trayer||: it's up to you, but i remember one person having trouble running it aftter installing sudo
[04:52] <OOD> installing with sudo*
[04:52] <Jame1> abattoir: Yep.
[04:52] <||Trayer||>  OOD: So, you SHOULDNT install stuff with sudo? So, Non sudo and in a home/game folder? Would that fix my needing to run the exe in sudo?
[04:53] <abattoir> Jame1: try removing the amarok settings file ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc Note: you'd obviously lose your settings :P
[04:53] <abattoir> Jame1: or you could back it up
[04:54] <Jame1> There's been no settings so far except building a collection from scanning a directory.  Nothing I can't redo.
[04:54] <OOD> ||Trayer||: i'm not certain if actually installing with sudo would cause a problem, but someone had a problem with it, and if you're installing to the home directory i see no point in using sudo to install it
[04:55] <||Trayer||>  OOD: Alright, from now on I'll install games to home directory without sudo to try to reduce errors. thanks
[04:55] <||Trayer||> Im gunna go play some nexuiz, just finished downloading : )
[04:55] <abattoir> Jame1: the collections are stored in a different place afaik... so close amarok, delete the settings file, restart it
[04:56] <Jame1> OK, now amarok is freezing. :-
[04:56] <OOD> ||Trayer|| np :)
[04:56] <Jame1> Nope, still doing the same thing.
[04:57] <Jame1> Let me see if I can try a wav file...
[04:57] <abattoir> Jame1: ok, close amarok, delete ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/xine-config, and delete the amarokrc file again... open up amarok
[04:58] <Jame1> Yep, Wav files work.
[04:59] <||Trayer||> Nexuiz wont let me turn up the graphics quality in game, it just closes when I click apply.  Is there a settings file to do this manually, does anyone know?
[04:59] <Jame1> abattoir: No change.
[05:00] <abattoir> Jame1: that's weird... wait a sec
[05:00] <kalinda> Greetings everyone
[05:00] <Jame1> I actually have to leave in a few min. :-(
[05:01] <||Trayer||> I cant change my resolution, that's my only problem
[05:02] <abattoir> Jame1: well, i cant think of anything else, removing those two files generally works...
[05:02] <Jame1> I'm guessing that this is probably caused by the same thing that is preventing audio from working in Kaffeine.  I can play video files, but I get no audio with them.
[05:02] <abattoir> Jame1: have you tried upgrading to the latest version of amarok?
[05:02] <Jame1> I just did an Adept upgrade an hour ago.
[05:03] <Jame1> So it's at whatever is most current in Dapper.
[05:03] <abattoir> Jame1: and you have amarok 1.4.1?
[05:03] <abattoir> Jame1: kubuntu.org has the latest packages
[05:03] <Jame1> ... 1.3.9.
[05:03] <Jame1> wtf?
[05:03] <marcus> hi room
[05:04] <Jame1> Kubuntu has a newer version available than what's in the package archive?
[05:04] <OOD> yes there's a newer version
[05:04] <rus1> hi
[05:04] <Jame1> Well yargh.
[05:04] <Jame1> I'll have to try that later.  I have to go pick someone up at the train station.
[05:04] <abattoir> Jame1: kubuntu.org repository is an 'external' repository... 1.3.9 was the latest when dapper was frozen for release..
[05:05] <OOD> Jame1: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[05:05] <abattoir> Jame1: and its been about 2 months since that
[05:05] <Jame1> abattoir: I see.  I'd expect what's packaged to work, though.
[05:05] <Jame1> As I said, I suspect it's the same cause as Kaffeine having issues with sound.
[05:05] <abattoir> Jame1: well, generally those 2 files cause issues... they dont seem to work for you... for some reason
[05:05] <abattoir> Jame1: maybe its libxine
[05:06] <abattoir> as that's the only thing common b/w the 2 that i can think of
[05:06] <Jame1> Hum.
[05:06] <Jame1> I shall futz with it later.  Thanks for the help.
[05:07] <abattoir> Jame1: np, bye
[05:07] <marcus> anybody offer a link to a wu-ftpd howto by chance?
[05:07] <mushroom> does anyone know how to disable suspend in dapper?
[05:11] <rus1> Does anyone know how to suspend in dapper?
[05:11] <kalinda> I'd love to know that, meself
[05:12] <rus1> I can do it through the laptop & power thing in system settings
[05:12] <rus1> But only if I close my laptop lid
[05:12] <rus1> And I want to be able to do it "on command"
[05:12] <mushroom> im trying to track down a hardlock
[05:12] <mushroom> and it looks like kubuntu got the very, very short end of the config tools stick
[05:12] <mushroom> id like to know how to turn the sucker suspend off
[05:14] <mushroom> its kinda sad, its like the ubuntu devs dont really care at all about kde
[05:14] <rus1> What is "sucker suspend"?
[05:15] <mushroom> I suppose I should have went with either suspend or sucker, you're right it makes little sense to have both.
[05:16] <ryan_naruto> my ubuntu doesnt recognize my usb stick when i plug it in... at first it did but when i ejected it and plugged it back in it cant detect it anymore what should i do...
[05:17] <jmichaelx> what i hate, i plugging in a usb stick, having auto-mount, but when you click to 'safely unmount' it, it tells you that you need to be root to do that. kind of silly to me.
[05:17] <jmichaelx> is*
[05:17] <mushroom> hrm, mine doesnt do that
[05:17] <mushroom> but then again thats on my ubuntu/kubuntu desktop, which performs much better
[05:17] <jmichaelx> i don't know why mine3 does then
[05:17] <mushroom> i think its best to install ubuntu and upgrade
[05:18] <mushroom> my just kubuntu desktop does all kinds of wierd stuff
[05:18] <mushroom> also
[05:18] <mushroom> rus1: the app kpower save can do what you want
[05:18] <mushroom> you can get it from the repos
[05:18] <mushroom> i just found it
[05:18] <jmichaelx> i have kubuntu on 2 PCs and a laptop, and i love it, but it has its annoying moments
[05:18] <rus1> mushroom, thanks, I'll check that out.
[05:19] <mushroom> i love it also, i just think its best to install ubuntu first
[05:19] <rus1> Still, I shouldn't really have to install an additional app just to use a feature that's clearly already there, I don't think.
[05:19] <jmichaelx> you may be right, i have heard others say that before
[05:19] <mushroom> ubuntu was not made at all with kubuntu in mind
[05:20] <jmichaelx> i just installed the new mepis on an older P# box that i have last night.... seems really nice
[05:20] <torvic> hola
[05:20] <jmichaelx> P3*
[05:20] <torvic> como andan
[05:20] <mushroom> if you go the the kubuntu wiki, most of the steps involve ubuntu(gnome) tools, which is fine with me, they just are not in ubuntu
[05:20] <torvic> probando k ubuntu!!!
[05:20] <ryan_naruto> any idea on how i would fix my usb problem. or do i need to restart my ubuntu system
[05:20] <jmichaelx> i just hate gnome
[05:20] <mushroom> last ubuntu=kubuntu
[05:20] <mushroom> im not a big fan but i will use gtk tools if need be
[05:20] <torvic> thanks...
[05:21] <torvic> not is necesary reboot the computer...
[05:21] <mushroom> ryan_naruto: its prolly best to reboot, sometimes that happens, im sure you can fix it without a reboot i just dont know how
[05:21] <torvic> kill the X
[05:21] <mushroom> i dont think killing x would take care of that...
[05:21] <jmichaelx> i would really like to get fluxbox going on one of my k/ubuntu machines, but have not been daring enough to experiment. i AM going to install fluxbox on my mepis box this week , though
[05:25] <torvic> I need play mp3 in kubuntu, but i don't know....
[05:26] <torvic> join #sincelejo
[05:26] <torvic> join /sincelejo
[05:26] <torvic> bye...
[05:26] <rus1> are you trying to /join
[05:26] <rus1> ?
[05:27] <torvic> yes
[05:27] <torvic> i like create a channel...
[05:28] <torvic> I from Colombia, South America
[05:29] <rus1> ok
[05:29] <torvic> I' dont speak english, I'm speak spanish
[05:29] <abattoir> !mp3 > torvic
[05:29] <abattoir> !es > torvic
[05:38] <JRH3K5> Say I have a group, users, for my roommates' accounts.  They will be limited to SFTP and have use of a public_html directory.
[05:38] <JRH3K5> If I make permissions wrx-rx--- and chown root:[my usergroup]  on all directories in /, this will block them from being able to trawl around my hard drive in an FTP client, yes?
[05:38] <JRH3K5> While allowing me to read and execute files within the directories in /, yes?
[05:39] <Leafw> bug in metacity: when calling toFront() form java, windows get activated but do not make it to the front. Any known solution ?
[05:39] <Leafw> #ubuntu boils with questions but noone answers ...
[05:39] <JRH3K5> I have the chroot patch installed, but this is in case they want to be able to go to [my ip] /~[username] 
[05:40] <||Trayer||> how do you make it emote = \, And I agree. Nexuiz is running slower than poop on my ati card
[05:41] <JRH3K5> /me
[05:41] <rr72> /me
[05:42] <JRH3K5> Pfft.
[05:42] <rr72> i need help with kdm i get a signal 11 error
[05:42] <JRH3K5> Way to trail behind, rr72. :P
[05:42] <JRH3K5> signal 11?
[05:42] <rr72> i was away on vacation and i came back and kdm wasnt working
[05:42] <JRH3K5> Hmm
[05:42] <JRH3K5> Isn't there a bot in here?
[05:42] <rr72> kdm terminates
[05:42] <JRH3K5> !kdm
[05:42] <ubotu> I know nothing about kdm - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:42] <JRH3K5> !signal 11
[05:42] <ubotu> I know nothing about signal 11 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:43] <bobbyyu> Hey guys, can't work my Adept. Sometimes, it doesn't open after loading, sometimes it tells me another instance is running.
[05:43] <rr72> some people say 11 is memory or segmentation fault
[05:43] <bobbyyu> I tried to use dpkg, but it tells me that it needs superuser privelege
[05:44] <Kr4t05> bobbyyu: use "sudo" before it.
[05:45] <Kr4t05> bobbyyu: when in doubt, just use "sudo" :)
[05:46] <bobbyyu> I did that, but to no avail
[05:47] <bobbyyu> Should I login as root?
[05:48] <rr72> bobbyyu~ try to login as root, it doesnt let u
[05:48] <rr72> anyone else having signal 11 error on kdm or is it just my package i apt-get install?
[05:49] <bobbyyu> It doesn't. Oh damn
[05:50] <rr72> is kdm a bad package?
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> rr72: has it always done this?
[05:50] <bobbyyu> Any ideas?
[05:50] <rr72> LeeJunFan~ no i went on vacation and i came back and kdm was giving me signal 11
[05:51] <aeon17x> How do I set adept to only check for updates weekly?
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> rr72: perhaps some config file is hosed. 'dpkg -P --force-depends kdm' will remove kdm AND config files. Then apt-get install kdm and see if that helps maybe?
[05:53] <rr72> is that equal to --purge?
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> rr72: yes
[05:53] <rr72> i tried purge already
[05:53] <rr72> nothing
[05:53] <rr72> and i did fsck and a few other things
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> rr72: does it do it at kdm startup or after you enter login/pw?
[05:55] <rr72> i see nvidia screen and it goes black and a flashing underscore
[05:55] <rr72> so i check logs and see quit from signal 11
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> rr72: perhaps the problem is actually with X? you checked X logs?
[05:56] <rr72> xorg u mean :P but i was away and why would it happen if noone had access to it
[05:58] <Dodger> i don't know what it is but everytime i boot to windows (yeah yeah i know) i have to actually turn the computer *off* in order to get my wireless card back up in kubuntu
[05:58] <Dodger> something windows does with it seems to not be quite kosher
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> rr72: doesn't make sense - perhaps disable DPMS? http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/02/msg00139.html
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> I've figured out a way (using windows) to disable any computer :p ...
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> install it.
[06:00] <Dodger> heh
[06:00] <Dodger> i actually hate booting back into it... feels so
[06:00] <Dodger> clunky
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> Dodger: I wonder if it's simply disabling the card. ie. on mine to enable disable the wireless card I have to hit Fn-F11
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> Dodger: perhaps when your wireless utility in windows shuts down it puts the card in disabled mode ?
[06:01] <Dodger> i'm not running a laptop though
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> Dodger: oh, beats me then. hehe
[06:03] <Moyhija> Hey, can anybody help me on problem with keyboard layout. I am finnish so my keyboard includes the a with dots over it and o with dots over it. They all work fine in everything else in my Kubuntu except in Konversation where pressing them gives:  or .
[06:04] <Moyhija> I've tried changing the keyboard layout in the Konversation settings but nothing seems to work
[06:04] <rr72> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX               could tha be my problem? its in the Xorg log
[06:04] <Dodger> by the way, should i be wary of upgrading my kernel to 2.6.15-26 (-k7 SMP)? are there any known issues?
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> rr72: that could certainly be it, doesn't explain why it can't load glx after returning from vaca, but ... I guess I'd try installing the nvidia stuff again perhaps.
[06:06] <rr72> thats a pack or by hand? i don't remember how i did it
[06:06] <bodhie> to use google earth i need the qt libraries? i cant install, i open the bin and say Verifying... and close inmediatly
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> !nvidia
[06:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:06] <rr72> just tell me
[06:06] <rr72> i hate gay bots
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> rr72: I've got ATI myslf so I can't really help you with that.
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> rr72: if you've got the standard kubuntu kernel then you should be able do install packages. if you've upgraded your kernel perhaps you need to make sure your restricted-modules for that kernel version are installed.
[06:08] <rr72> how do i see which one is installed, i always forget how to search installed packs
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> rr72: dpkg -l | grep restricted
[06:10] <rr72> just reinstall those packs then?
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> rr72: if it's got ii in front of it - it's installed, if rc then it's removed.
[06:10] <rr72> all are removed
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> rr72: perhaps just re-installing the linux-restricted-modules-[version]  will work.
[06:11] <rr72> i don't have cds and its ascking me for cds i think i manually installed nvidia
[06:12] <rr72> unless i did use the cd i don't know wha i did, im really tired
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> rr72: what does 'uname -r' say which kernel version you have?
[06:12] <rr72> i think i used synopse actually
[06:12] <rr72> 2.6.12-9-386
[06:13] <rr72> but i don't have access to kde so i can't use it
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> rr72: if you comment the line from /etc/apt/sources.list that has the cdrom source it will use only the repositories, you should be able to install what you want w/o cd's then.
[06:15] <rr72> i havent had problems like this in a while
[06:15] <rr72> i guess i need one to make sure i know what i am doing
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> rr72: lsmod | grep nvidia -- should say if you have nvidia modules loaded at least.
[06:17] <rr72> its there
[06:17] <rr72> don't know what that means
[06:18] <rr72> nope still nothing
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> well could still be something corrupt with the driver. hard to say exactly.
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> rr72: anything interesting if you run dmesg?
[06:19] <rr72> [4312416.207000]  agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
[06:19] <rr72> [4312416.207000]  agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
[06:19] <rr72> bunch of those
[06:19] <rr72> [4294721.856000]  nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.                mean anything?
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> rr72: hrm, nothing useful. No tainted just means it's not a fully open source module.
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> not GPL
[06:20] <rr72> ty for all this help BTW
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> rr72: no prob, but I'm afraid I'm running out of ideas. I haven't worked with nvidia stuff in years, but that would be my first try - to re-install those drivers.
[06:21] <rr72> i  thought i did reinstall
[06:21] <rr72> since they where rc
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> rr72: you apt-get installed them after that?
[06:22] <rr72> yeah but they were already installed
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> so if you dpkg -l | grep restricted you see ii now?
[06:22] <rr72> yeah
[06:23] <rr72> but i rememebr dl the driver from nvidia site one time
[06:23] <flaccid__> i have a question. how do i turn off power saving on the ethernet nic ?
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> okay, but the kernel still has the messed up ones loaded perhaps. I'm not sure which ones to rmmod so rebooting now may help to get it to reload the newly installed modules.
[06:26] <rr72> hm LeeJunFan now it asks me to log into tty1 and the nvidia screen didnt flash
[06:27] <rr72> no screens found
[06:28] <rr72> i think my xorg is messed up now
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> rr72: it's still something to do with that driver/module. damn.
[06:29] <rr72> and this i think is why i didnt do it this way
[06:29] <rr72> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> rr72: maybe reconfiguring xorg, but then it's probably not going to try to load the nvidia driver w/o changing the driver name in xorg.conf.
[06:30] <rr72> Please consult the NVIDIA README for details.
[06:30] <rr72> lol
[06:30] <rr72> EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[06:30] <rr72> so yeah i think it does have to do with module
[06:32] <Lord_Athur> I use kubuntu + edubuntu-desktop, but some sub-menus of the edubuntu programs are in English in the kde menu,How do I make an specification about it in order to show that the language of the menu application is the wrong one?
[06:32] <rr72> could a restart/power outage done this?
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> rr72: possibly, but rare.
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> rr72: unless you are running reiserfs, then it's not so unlikely.
[06:33] <rr72> ext3
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> rr72: I guess I'd follow the docs from start to finish on nvidia install and make sure everything is good.
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> I don't know what else to suggest.
[06:36] <flaccid__> yeah so anyone can help with me disabling power management on my nic?
[06:36] <rr72> how do i get my bookmarsk from firefox? i have a link i want
[06:36] <rr72> flaccid__~ google ur model number with disabling power?
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> rr72: they should be in your home dir in .firefox or .mozilla dir.
[06:37] <rr72> is there a boot screen for ur nic? some have em and u can change stuff
[06:37] <schmakk> i have both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed and i dont really need gnome anymore.. is there some (easy) way to remove gnome and whatever stuff associated?
[06:37] <LeeJunFan> rr72: .mozilla/firefox/default...
[06:38] <LeeJunFan> schmakk: remove libgnome perhaps. all the gnome apps should rely on that and get removed as well.
[06:38] <schmakk> LeeJunFan: im not completely sure about how this works, but will that break GTK stuff as well?
[06:38] <schmakk> or am i talking about the same thing
[06:39] <LeeJunFan> schmakk: no, gnome depends on gtk, but gtk apps like gimp don't necessarily rely on gnome.
[06:39] <schmakk> spiffy
[06:39] <schmakk> ill see what i get
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> schmakk: yeah, just pay attention to what else it says it's going to remove.
[06:40] <schmakk> that was my plan =)
[06:41] <schmakk> man, now i wish synaptic had a way of showing the describtion of packages within the "this will also get removed" box
[06:43] <schmakk> also.. is there a way to make every oss app get wrapped by arts by default?
[06:46] <schmakk> something along making a dummy /dev/dsp device that reroutes to arts or alsa...
[06:46] <farous> schmakk: did you tray alsa-oss
[06:47] <farous> never tried it through a device wrapper though
[06:47] <rr72> LeeJunFan~ want to help me tomorrow? its midnight and im going to bed
[06:48] <schmakk> i messed a little with it, but i never got it working well.. i havnt got a lot of desktop linux experience though, and i dont really understand the linux sound system yet
[06:48] <mdkaneda0> having a slight issue i need help with. I'm dualbooting WinXP and Kubuntu, i had to reinstall windows XP, and i lost my grub bootloader. searched around for a way to reinstall grub to the mbr, but i cant seem to get a restore disc working. any tips on how to use restore disc so i can install grub??
[06:48] <Hobbsee> !grub
[06:48] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:49] <LeeJunFan> rr72: yeah, if I'm around. Don't know what else I can do though.
[06:49] <rr72> i know just who to ask too but he is never on
[06:52] <MilhousePunkRock> What are the disadvantages of using APM over ACPI?
[07:00] <flaccid> is there a param i can put in /etc/network/interfaces to disable power management on an interface ie. my eth0
[07:02] <schmakk> LeeJunFan: if you dont mind me asking, should i worry about removing hal-device-manager, hwdb-client, bonobo (various packages) and update-notifier?
[07:03] <LeeJunFan> schmakk: no, those would be okay.
[07:04] <schmakk> nice, then this seems to work.. for any left over stuff, is it possible in some way to view packages that has no dependants installed on the system?
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> schmakk: there is, but I don't remember the package that does that.
[07:06] <schmakk> LeeJunFan: oki, thanks for your help =)
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> schmakk: perhaps if you ask in #ubuntu someone there will know. I want to say it's dpkgaudit or some such thing.
[07:07] <schmakk> ill try that
[07:08] <Hobbsee> flaccid: no idea, if there is, it should be in man interfaces
[07:09] <flaccid> thanks
[07:09] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: it's not apt-cache rdepends foo, is it - that does it over all the packages, not just the installed ones
[07:10] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: I was just wondering that myself. I remember whoever told me gave me 2 package names to use.
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> deborphan
[07:11] <Hobbsee> ah...i sthat it...
[07:11] <Hobbsee> hi bimberi_
[07:11] <bimberi_> hey Hobbsee
[07:12] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:13] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: i just put it under "it's development, something else has fubar'd"
[07:15] <MilhousePunkRock> I cant seem to get ACPI working properly on my Laptop, is it recommendable to step back to APM?
[07:17] <schmakk> LeeJunFan: so deporphan does what i asked about?
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> schmakk: yes
[07:17] <schmakk> awesome, thanks
[07:18] <LeeJunFan> schmakk: gtkorphan is a gtk interface to deborphan to make it simpler too.
[07:18] <schmakk> LeeJunFan: ill take a look at it, once this old box finishes removing gnome packages
[07:19] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: libarts-akode1 -- how old is that? :) That was pre-breezy I think.
[07:19] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: where's that?
[07:19] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: on my system still.
[07:20] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: did you ever have debian on there?  p.u.c couldnt fin dit
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: no, that was an old lib I think Riddell built for testing a kde release.
[07:21] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: ahh...right...that would make sense
[07:22] <LeeJunFan> I bet I still have remnants in my $HOME from redhat V2 or some such thing from 1995 or 6.
[07:25] <marcus> hi how do i tell klibido to start grabbing binaries from usenet?
[07:26] <marcus> i figured out how to subscribe and update the newsgroups but not how to grab the binaries
[07:29] <schmakk> how does kdm against gdm? for some reason, gdm seems to be a tad more flexible
[07:30] <schmakk> or put another way, does gdm do anything kdm cant?
[07:32] <MilhousePunkRock> I can't get ACPI to work properly, when I resume from Suspend to RAM neither mouse nor keyboard work...
[07:32] <bobbyyu> Hey, my Adept is still showing problems. When it finishes installing packages, it doesn't install, saying "commit will break packages or something"
[07:34] <MilhousePunkRock> I found some fix for that for FreeBSD, does someone know something similar that will work in Kubuntu (Dapper 6.06 Kernel 2.6.15.26)
[07:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Does anyone know something like this ( --> http://www.iosn.net/Members/kaeru/articles/freebsd/x40 --> Suspend and Resume --> "Hint" for the mouse") for Kubuntu?
[07:47] <MilhousePunkRock> I would like to create a menu similar to that "system menu" on the kicker. How can I do that?
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: I have a problem like that with my touchpad (somtimes) if I suspend and resume again it comes back.
[07:48] <MilhousePunkRock> Are you using APM or ACPI?
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> acpi
[07:48] <Hobbsee> whatever kpowersave uses :P
[07:48] <MilhousePunkRock> It seems to be a common problem... But all I found was either "ACPI does not work. Period." or "ACPI is working"
[07:49] <MilhousePunkRock> I would have loved to find something like: Mouse and Keyboard did not work after resuming. I did this and that to fix it.
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> AFAIK KPowersave uses ACPI
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> I've been told this is an X problem... But #xorg is far less lively than #kubuntu
[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> I can restart X with ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> but those seem to be the only keys that work
[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> and it's no use, I want to go on where I stopped when I suspend... Otherwise I might as well power down and reboot
[07:53] <MilhousePunkRock> What about the little menu I want to create? Anyone got any ideas?
[07:56] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, kmenuedit
[07:56] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, it will add to K menu also
[07:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Negative noiesmo, I don't want to edit the K-Menu, I want to add an additional menu to the "taksbar". Like the "system menu" (which might be called differently in English)
[08:01] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: afaik, the trick is to add your custom menu to kmenu
[08:01] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: then rt. click on the panel -> Add application... -> Add this menu
[08:01] <abattoir> Then remove it from kmenu
[08:02] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: tbh, i havent tried this... so tell me if it works :P
[08:02] <abattoir> especially the third part
[08:03] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, as abattoir has said above thats what I would do to
[08:03] <vinboy> i use KDE, how do I change Evince's background color?
[08:04] <MilhousePunkRock> Sounds promising!
[08:04] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hehe, as i said in theory it does, tell me if it works :)
[08:04] <MilhousePunkRock> Similar to how I create shortcuts on the bar...
[08:05] <MilhousePunkRock> I make a desktop shortcut and move it to the bar, as I did not find an option to change the icon for a "direct bar shortcut"
[08:05] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i cant try it myself as i have a 'custom'(you guys would call it weird ;) setup... i dont want to mess w/ it :)
[08:06] <abattoir> bleh, wth, i tried... it works
[08:09] <abattoir> vinboy: maybe someone at #ubuntu would know
[08:09] <intelikey> a "Cannot open /dev/fb0." error.   any clue why ?
[08:09] <abattoir> vinboy: else you can use konqueror :P ... which is that... and more. :P
[08:10] <Dodger> does anyone else here have the problem of kubuntu not keeping the network settings configured in the control panel?
[08:10] <vinboy> i was referred to here from #ubuntu
[08:10] <vinboy> lol
[08:10] <MilhousePunkRock> Hamm, abattoir, I did that, but it doesn't seem to save it
[08:10] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: Not mounted properly?
[08:10] <Dodger> i've set eth0 to not enable on startup several times, but it keeps coming back up on reboot
[08:10] <MilhousePunkRock> Not hamm, hmm that is, abattoir
[08:11] <abattoir> vinboy: hehe, its a GNOME app, so i guess it defines its own bg stuff (unless it inherits from gtk-qt engine)
[08:11] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: you mean after you log out... or after you delete the Kmenu entry?
[08:12] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hehe, the nick reminds you of Ham ?
[08:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Immediately... So I have to relogin to activate it?
[08:12] <abattoir> hmmm... too many hehe s
[08:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Nah, it was more like the "thinking sound" in German
[08:12] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: nothing like that... it doesnt even show up?
[08:12] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock fb  mounted ?
[08:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Ham would be nice though...
[08:12] <intelikey> what am i missing ?
[08:13] <MilhousePunkRock> lol intelikey, I read fd and thought you referred to a floppy drive
[08:13] <noiesmo> intelikey, you root or sudo to access floppy
[08:13] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: you see it in the kicker once you add it right... and then when does it disappear(doesnt get saved) ?
[08:13] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock FB  not FD  :)
[08:13] <intelikey> noiesmo ^
[08:13] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: Negative... I did save though
[08:13] <noiesmo> intelikey, yeah just seen
[08:14] <MilhousePunkRock> and I opened Kmenuedit with sudo
[08:14] <intelikey> let me repost.  a "Cannot open /dev/fb0." error.   any clue why ?
[08:14] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: oh, you mean in the Kmenu? ok, then might be worth a re-login
[08:14] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, is this for all users or just the current on
[08:14] <noiesmo> on one
[08:14] <MilhousePunkRock> I only have one user here
[08:14] <MilhousePunkRock> I'll restart X, BRB
[08:15] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, ok dont sudo kmenedit just kmenuedit should do it
[08:15] <abattoir> noiesmo: he'll be back ;)
[08:15] <noiesmo> :)
[08:15] <abattoir> i missed the sudo bit :(
[08:15] <abattoir> else would have warned him earlier
[08:15] <noiesmo> i've seen him here a few times
[08:15] <abattoir> yeah, me too
[08:16] <intelikey> yeah jan is here a lot the last few days
[08:16] <abattoir> welcome back Jan :D
[08:17] <MilhousePunkRock> Thx
[08:17] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, dont use sudo with kmenuedit
[08:17] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: you dont need to use sudo
[08:17] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: ...since you are only editing the menu for your own user
[08:17] <moparisthebest> is there a way to low level format a harddrive from linux?
[08:17] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, all your users kde settings are generallly in /your/homefolder/.kde
[08:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Weird... It does not show up in the Kmenu, but it's listed in Kmenuedit
[08:18] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, abattoir is that the kubuntu-desktop doing that
[08:18] <abattoir> noiesmo: you mean kubuntu-default-settings?
[08:18] <noiesmo> yes
[08:18] <noiesmo> thats
[08:18] <noiesmo> it
[08:19] <abattoir> hmmm, dont think so...
[08:19] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: you added it only now?
[08:19] <abattoir> or was it from the previous session?
[08:19] <noiesmo> dont they like rule the kmenu
[08:19] <abattoir> noiesmo: could be though...
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> I wanted to re-add it after I restarted X
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> And now it created "Programme-2" and shows the first one
[08:20] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: so you added it to the normal a/c before logging out?
[08:20] <MilhousePunkRock> a/c?
[08:20] <abattoir> account :)
[08:20] <MilhousePunkRock> no
[08:20] <MilhousePunkRock> that was done with sudo
[08:20] <MilhousePunkRock> now I am doing it as user
[08:20] <abattoir> aah, then it might come into effect only after a re-login
[08:21] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, do it without sudo what happens
[08:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Do I need a description or comment?
[08:21] <noiesmo> abattoir, the sudo one i think will be any new users
[08:21] <noiesmo> MilhousePunkRock, no
[08:21] <abattoir> noiesmo: might be or for root itself
[08:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Right now it's just a submenu with a name...
[08:22] <abattoir> i think the latter
[08:22] <noiesmo> abattoir, should affect the skel folder i'd thought
[08:22] <abattoir> noiesmo: skel?
[08:22] <noiesmo> /etc/skel is like skeleton profile if you like
[08:22] <abattoir> noiesmo: i'd except it to go to /root/.kde....
[08:23] <abattoir> not sure...
[08:23] <intelikey> plain sudo kmenuedit should only affect the executing user.   the only danger is that it might set root perms on a user config file.
[08:23] <intelikey> sudo -i on the other hand would affect root unless something krazy is going on.
[08:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Still negative
[08:24] <noiesmo> I reakon he might need to remove  kubuntu-default-settings first
[08:25] <abattoir> ok, let me try it out
[08:26] <abattoir> it works fine for me
[08:26] <MilhousePunkRock> weird
[08:26] <abattoir> dont even need to log out
[08:26] <MilhousePunkRock> What am I doing wrong?
[08:26] <abattoir> ok, here's what i did...
[08:26] <abattoir> opened kmenuedit Created a new submenu, added a couple of blank entries
[08:27] <abattoir> and saved it, got an Updating System Configuration progress bar
[08:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Maybe it does not show up cause it's empty here?
[08:27] <abattoir> opened Kmenu, and it was there
[08:27] <intelikey> console user in the house ?
[08:27] <MilhousePunkRock> I got that bar too though... Something must have happened, since it's listed in kmenuedit
[08:27] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: maybe try putting some blank stuff in
[08:28] <MilhousePunkRock> There you go, I did one Test entry and it's there...
[08:29] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: good :)
[08:34] <MilhousePunkRock> Thx abattoir!
[08:34] <MilhousePunkRock> To bad I cant just move things in there though
[08:34] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: np :)
[08:34] <abattoir> DnD doesnt work?
[08:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Not from the bar itself... I created shortcuts for Fx and Konversation there already
[08:37] <abattoir> oh, ok
[08:38] <alex_> kubuntn no shurufa
[08:39] <MilhousePunkRock> Hmm, all the shortcuts I copied and pasted from their original menus now have a -2
[08:40] <abattoir> alex_: ???
[08:40] <abattoir> !cn
[08:40] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[08:41] <aegeanlinux> !mar
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[08:41] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: -2?
[08:41] <intelikey> any console users in the house ?
[08:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Like "Konversation-2"
[08:42] <aegeanlinux> !offtopic4offtopic
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[08:43] <abattoir> >>Always on topic, the weather, GNOME and how kewl it is<<
[08:43] <abattoir> hehe
[08:43] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: maybe its trying to avoid duplication
[08:44] <aegeanlinux> !bot abuse
[08:44] <ubotu> Please don't play with the bots, or else... Also see !behaviour and !msgthebot
[08:44] <abattoir> wouldnt be hard to change it would it?
[08:44] <abattoir> ;)
[08:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Probably... Doesn't matter, I renamed them anyway... For my taste, name and description need to be the other way around
[08:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, or not.. But that does not matter much...
[08:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Now that's a neat kicker...
[08:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Next step, giving the desktop a really geeky look...
[08:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Transparency and stuff...
[08:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Any suggestions? Should look cool but still be useable, especially on my system with 256 MB RAM and 16 MB Video RAM
[08:51] <abattoir> hehe, shouldnt be hard :)
[08:51] <abattoir> some superkaramba stuff?
[08:52] <MilhousePunkRock> That would come after it, a nice "monitor" for the Laptop specific stuff, namely WLAN, battery and speed stepping
[08:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Prior to any experiments with transparency I would need to know how to back up the current settings, so I can roll back easily
[08:53] <abattoir> so then suggestions for what?
[08:53] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: for kicker related stuff?
[08:54] <MilhousePunkRock> A theme with transparency, geeky but readable font...
[08:54] <abattoir> by theme what do you mean? a windeco?
[08:54] <MilhousePunkRock> For what Windows used to call "Desktop theme"
[08:54] <MilhousePunkRock> yeah
[08:54] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: you can make any windeco transparent
[08:54] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: for eg. i use the default crystal which ships w/ Kubuntu
[08:55] <abattoir> i've changed the colour from blue to black... so it has a more glassy effect
[08:55] <MilhousePunkRock> I think I saw that somewhere in the settings, but is there an easy way to back up how it is now (by default), other than writing down all the settings=
[08:55] <MilhousePunkRock> ?
[08:56] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hmmm, it wont be that back to revert... but i'm not sure.. maybe some kwin rc file
[08:56] <abattoir> for the kicker i'm pretty much sure its ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc
[08:56] <abattoir> *wont be that 'hard' to revert
[08:56] <MilhousePunkRock> On the other hand, I can always boot live again and look up all the settings there...
[08:57] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i dont think its that hard to change your settings back
[08:57] <abattoir> esp. stuff like windeco/kicker config
[09:05] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, the kicker is transparent now
[09:05] <MilhousePunkRock> How do I make the menu background transparent?
[09:09] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: Kcontrol -> Appearance and Themes -> Style -> Effects -> Menu Effects -> Make Translucent
[09:13] <MilhousePunkRock> Nice...
[09:15] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:16] <MilhousePunkRock> Seems like green is not a popular color in KDE...
[09:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Ok, how can I make the grey area inside the windows a little transparent?
[09:37] <MilhousePunkRock> Crystal does not offer many options here...
[09:38] <Ademan> am i nuts trying to get xubuntu running on a 300mhz 96mb ram computer?
[09:40] <crimsun> Ademan: no
[09:40] <MilhousePunkRock> How far did you get, Ademan?
[09:40] <MilhousePunkRock> Should be good enough for xubuntu
[09:41] <MilhousePunkRock> I am looking for a window decoration similar to Crystal, that let's me adjust the transparency
[09:42] <Ademan> well, i had to redo my xorg.conf and i was able to startx, but after that it really didn't do anything, the bottom panel came in, that's it... then it froze (this is from the livecd)
[09:43] <MilhousePunkRock> That could be due to 96 MB being not enough to run it live...
[09:44] <Ademan> sounds reasonable
[09:44] <Ademan> so then how should i go about installing?
[09:44] <Ademan> should i get the oem installer?
[09:44] <Ademan> install minus gnome
[09:44] <Ademan> and then install xfce?
[09:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Xubuntu comes with xfce by default AFAIK, thus the X
[09:46] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: which grey area? What sort of options are you looking at?
[09:47] <MilhousePunkRock> For example here in Konversation, the top menu and the channel tabs on the bottom
[09:47] <abattoir> Ademan: oem installer ?
[09:47] <MilhousePunkRock> The alternate CD might be a good choice, Ademan, if ther is one for Xu
[09:47] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i dont know what theme you are running... but do you want to make the entire window translucent?
[09:48] <MilhousePunkRock> The theme I now have is Crystal
[09:48] <MilhousePunkRock> But that does not give many option on translucency...
[09:49] <MilhousePunkRock> If possible, I would like to have the "white text area" (e.g here in Konversation) to remain white, but have everthing around a little see-through
[09:50] <Ademan> MilhousePunkRock: i've been downloading the alternate install for regular ubuntu... i didnt even bother checking xubuntu for one, but maybe i should
[09:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Maybe I should browse KDElook.org a little, abattoir...
[09:57] <kraut> moin
[09:57] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GentooWithKDE34.png is an eg. of a translucent window
[09:57] <Ademan> i've always wondered, gnome apps are very partialed to gtk, do kde apps have a "native" API? is it Qt?
[09:58] <abattoir> Ademan: yes primarily qt, but there are special qt-based KDE-specific classes
[09:59] <Ademan> i've always thought Qt was very commercially oriented... isnt that kinda anti-open source?
[09:59] <abattoir> Ademan: nope, they have a dual-licensing policy
[10:00] <abattoir> they->Trolltech, the company which makes Qt
[10:00] <Ademan> well right, they've got that free for non commercial right? but Qt itself is closed source isnt it?
[10:02] <wolfmanz> ok what else can i break hmmmm
[10:03] <wolfmanz> abattoir dont you sleep?
[10:03] <abattoir> wolfmanz: lol
[10:03] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: What about this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/39822-1.jpg
[10:04] <crimsun> Ademan: it's open-source.
[10:04] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: yup, he has the entire window(active/inactive) set to be translucent
[10:05] <abattoir> or even she :)
[10:05] <wolfmanz> wasnt there some sticking issues to QT at one time?
[10:05] <crimsun> wolfmanz: yes, that was prior to the relicensing (-> dual)
[10:05] <MilhousePunkRock> I guess what I am looking for is not possible...
[10:05] <crimsun> wolfmanz: basically it wasn't included in Debian until that was resolved.
[10:06] <abattoir> wolfmanz: one of the reasons GNOME was born
[10:06] <wolfmanz> i'm waitting for windows to go open source :D
[10:07] <wolfmanz> do any of you guys ever see a day where some linux distro will unseat windows from the desktop ?
[10:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Is there a kdelook IRC channel?
[10:08] <abattoir> wolfmanz: you mean rid windows of its majority market share?
[10:08] <wolfmanz> abattoir yes
[10:08] <abattoir> wolfmanz: that's Malone Bug 1
[10:08] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: not afaik
[10:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Probably not, wolfmanz, since M$ is in bed with all the major PC makers
[10:08] <abattoir> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[10:10] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: show me your desktop after you are done :P
[10:10] <wolfmanz> abbattoir they may have the strangle hold on linux now but i think that will change in the future microsoft is slowly screwing it self with things like the DRM stuff its trying to get into vista and the like
[10:11] <MilhousePunkRock> Maybe I can tweak my apps to be the way I want them... Is there a color code for transparency?
[10:11] <abattoir> wolfmanz: i'm not getting tempted... crim*sun has already appeared in my nightmares :P, come to #kubuntu-offtopic , we'll have an extensive discussion there :)
[10:12] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: what do you mean? for windeco? choose the colour you want... and then adjust the translucency
[10:13] <MilhousePunkRock> But Crystal only has "Transparency enabled"
[10:13] <MilhousePunkRock> no means to adjust the value, like I could do it for the kicker
[10:14] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: Kcontrol -> Appearance... -> Colours -> choose window active/inactive title colours
[10:15] <MilhousePunkRock> I found that, but it does not have transparency there, abattoir...
[10:15] <MilhousePunkRock> It's digital... 1 or 0, on or off...
[10:15] <abattoir> set the colour there, transperancy where you saw earlier
[10:15] <abattoir> 1-on 0 off
[10:16] <MilhousePunkRock> It would be "window background"... but there is no transparency, unless there is a color code for it, which I doubt
[10:17] <MilhousePunkRock> I wonder why there is no option, it does work fine for the menus...
[10:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Crystal does only concern the window title, does it?
[10:19] <viviersf> how do you change the color of the kmenu side image ?
[10:21] <schmakk> if i want to make sure i have everything that a base kubuntu install has, which of the meta packages do i have to install?
[10:22] <abattoir> schmakk: kubuntu-desktop
[10:23] <schmakk> nothing else? none of the other ubuntu-* packages at all?
[10:27] <schmakk> oh well, i though it was divided into at least two packages
[10:32] <schmakk> im gonna try here too.. i did dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set frontend to kde, it gives me this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18758
[10:32] <hardw1re> morning
[10:33] <schmakk> mornin
[10:33] <flow> morning
[10:34] <hardw1re> i need some advice, what do i need to a) get a hp usb scanner working, and b) what scanning software is there for ubuntu?
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> This might be helpful abattoir: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Xorg_X11_and_Transparency
[10:36] <abattoir> hardw1re: might be recognised in kcontrol... kooka is the Scan+OCR tool
[10:37] <hardw1re> well on boot up i do see a "HP printing and scanning services" or something like that is setup/loaded
[10:38] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I determine which version on X I have?
[10:39] <hardw1re> hmm i click select scanner devices in the kooka menu but nothing happens
[10:39] <schmakk> check the package you have installed
[10:39] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg'
[10:39] <abattoir> hardw1re: did you set it up in Kcontrol/systemsettings?
[10:40] <hardw1re> no idea
[10:40] <hardw1re> probably not yet
[10:41] <hardw1re> wheres Kcontrol?
[10:42] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, it's X 7.00 but composite does not work on my machine... Probably too much to ask for on 16 MB Video RAM
[10:42] <hardw1re> it doesnt list scanners under the peripherals section in Kcontrol
[10:43] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: sorry, didnt look at the link, but you put enabled it in xorg.conf?
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> yeah, but it crashes on start
[10:44] <Steven_> do any of you use bittorrent-gui?
[10:44] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: X crashes or KDE does ?
[10:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Only the composite manager
[10:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Tells me it shut down twice in one minute and will be disabled...
[10:45] <MilhousePunkRock> And now what I added to the xorg.conf is gone again
[10:45] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: aah, in KDE ?
[10:45] <MilhousePunkRock> yes
[10:45] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: ok, then make sure you put that stuff down in xorg.conf
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> I put it in again...
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Restarting X now?
[10:47] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: wait...
[10:47] <hardw1re> what do i need to do to get the kernel src?
[10:47] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hmm, you put the stuff in the gentoo wiki?
[10:48] <MilhousePunkRock> yes... says it should work for various distros...
[10:48] <MilhousePunkRock> This step is very simple (and holds true for any linux distro).
[10:49] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i put something different... dont know if it matters though
[10:49] <MilhousePunkRock> what was it for you?
[10:49] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i put the same stuff which comes in the KDE Error message on startup
[10:50] <abattoir> well, only trivial difference...
[10:51] <abattoir> i have 'Enable' instead of 'true'
[10:53] <necorage> holap
[11:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Unlikely that that makes a difference, isnt it?
[11:07] <hardw1re> do i need to re-configure usb if im using USB hubs to connect everything to the usb ports of the computer?
[11:08] <Healot> nay... hardw1re
[11:08] <hardw1re> cause my usb devices seem to fail to work
[11:09] <Healot> what kind of usb device?
[11:09] <hardw1re> ex: [  947.192190]  usb 4-3.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 [  947.234385]  usb 4-3.4: device descriptor read/64, error -32
[11:10] <hardw1re> well the logitech quickcam messenger, and im sure it cant seem to find the HP usb scanner
[11:10] <Healot> are you sure?
[11:10] <hardw1re> yeah, infact i cant even see a scanner setup peripheral in Kcontrol
[11:10] <MilhousePunkRock> Two options, abattoir: Either I dont have the composite manager installed or my card is not supported... :-(
[11:11] <Healot> lsusb output, hardw1re?
[11:11] <hardw1re> is there a paste bin to paste into ?
[11:13] <richard> salut
[11:13] <richard> a parle franais ici ?
[11:14] <Healot> !fr
[11:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:14] <MilhousePunkRock> Looks like I might be lucky, abattoir, seems xcompmgr was not installed
[11:14] <richard> thanks
[11:15] <hardw1re> Healot: is there a paste bin i can use?
[11:18] <Healot> !pastebin
[11:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:19] <hardw1re> ty
[11:20] <hardw1re> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18760
[11:20] <hardw1re> konquest is so addictive
[11:20] <Healot> dutch
[11:21] <hardw1re> who?
[11:21] <Healot> lsusb -vv >> hehe
[11:22] <Healot> Bus 004 Device 004: ID 03f0:2405 Hewlett-Packard >> btw, this is printer maybe?
[11:22] <hardw1re> scanner
[11:23] <hardw1re> printer is on parralell port
[11:23] <hardw1re> and works fine
[11:24] <hardw1re> i just cant find where to setup the scanner though
[11:26] <Healot> hohoho
[11:27] <Healot> you need (in)sane(ity)
[11:32] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: Now it's working... Awfully slow but working...
[11:33] <MilhousePunkRock> I wish there was a perfectly tailored driver for my video chip
[11:34] <MilhousePunkRock> Although I guess there is not much to expect from 16 MB Video RAM
[11:34] <helpplz> ark gives me an error :( could not start sub process?
[11:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Abbatoir... Looks like I am done...
[11:46] <hardw1re> weird, looks like one of the hubs aint working... hmm maybe i acciedently unplugged it the other day :|
[11:51] <wolfmanz> IS it safe to a full upgrade using adept?
[11:53] <Healot> hardw1re: to work with scanners, you need (in)sane(ity) and its frontend :-
[11:58] <Teejay_wp> hi I am editing a file using nano on the xterminal and I am wondering the command to save the changes in the file
[11:58] <Teejay_wp> sorry konsole
[12:01] <Healot> Ctrl+X
[12:01] <Teejay_wp> ty
[12:01] <Healot> when asked to saved, press Y
[12:01] <hardw1re> why are quickcam
[12:02] <hardw1re> 's such a pain in the ass to deal with
[12:02] <Healot> they are proprietary wares
[12:02] <hardw1re> ive almost got it working
[12:02] <Healot> btw creative quickcam has linux driver
[12:02] <hardw1re> well i have the driver for mine
[12:02] <hardw1re> and stuff
[12:03] <hardw1re> qc-usb-messenger-1.3
[12:03] <hardw1re> its just i have to use my brain to get it to work and thats just wrong lol
[12:03] <hardw1re> do i need to restart now that i've installed sane ?
[12:04] <Healot> no need to restart
[12:04] <hardw1re> hmm i think i shall though
[12:04] <Healot> just run the frontend or sane from terminal X
[12:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Did abattoir pass out in the meantime?
[12:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Is there a way to tell my video card to use some of the system memory?
[12:05] <Healot> thank god HP scanners are supported out the box by sane
[12:06] <Healot> i think that linux kernel does that automagically
[12:07] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: heh, was away... working?
[12:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Indeed, abattoir... Both MacOS and Vista can go home now...
[12:08] <crazy_penguin> hi all!
[12:08] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: lol
[12:08] <MilhousePunkRock> If it only was faster, it's so slow it's almost unuseable... But it looks goddamn pretty...
[12:09] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: it might be slow if you have shadows/full window trasparency on
[12:09] <MilhousePunkRock> I could get rid of the shadows...
[12:09] <crazy_penguin> please someone tell me how can i make konsole transparent. i tried the transparent scheme but nothing happens
[12:09] <MilhousePunkRock> LOL crazy_penguin...
[12:09] <crazy_penguin> same problem?
[12:09] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: on my old system, P3 w/ 128MB ram(4mb integrated card), translucent windec works pretty fast
[12:10] <abattoir> crazy_penguin: transparent konsole doesnt work?
[12:10] <MilhousePunkRock> I'll turn off the shadows now
[12:10] <crazy_penguin> abattoir: no
[12:10] <crazy_penguin> i want to use it with irssi
[12:10] <abattoir> crazy_penguin: it is pseudo-transparency only though
[12:10] <MilhousePunkRock> crazy_penguin: Look here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75527
[12:11] <abattoir> crazy_penguin: Settings -> Schema -> Transparent konsole right?
[12:11] <crazy_penguin> ok
[12:11] <crazy_penguin> abattoir: yes
[12:11] <crazy_penguin> MilhousePunkRock: thx
[12:11] <MilhousePunkRock> You need to install and enable the Composite Manager
[12:11] <abattoir> crazy_penguin: and that doesnt show your wallpaper ?
[12:11] <crazy_penguin> no
[12:11] <MilhousePunkRock> After that, do what abattoir said, and it should work
[12:11] <crazy_penguin> ok
[12:11] <crazy_penguin> i will try
[12:12] <crazy_penguin> thx a lot :)
[12:12] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: what he wants is something different
[12:12] <abattoir> crazy_penguin: wait a sec...
[12:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Yes and no, abattoir... I tried the transparent console, wouldn't work without composite
[12:12] <abattoir> crazy_penguin: ok, nvm, if you h/w supports it there's nothing wrong in having a fully transparent konsole :)
[12:12] <hardw1re> anyone know where i can get software for a nokia 6280 ?
[12:13] <crazy_penguin> ok
[12:13] <crazy_penguin> thx again for the help
[12:13] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: transparent konsole thing is pseudo-transparency, it just grabs the wallpaper in the region and sets it as the bg
[12:13] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: anyways, show me a screenshot :)
[12:14] <Healot> hardw1re: nokia.com :)
[12:14] <MilhousePunkRock> How do I take one with Kubuntu? Preferably in png or jpeg already...
[12:14] <abattoir> hardw1re: that's series 40...
[12:14] <abattoir> hardw1re: so any J2ME software should work
[12:15] <MilhousePunkRock> I need to remind that IT friend of mine to start developing his "one click screenshot to imageshack" app he once thought about...
[12:15] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: ksnapshot
[12:15] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: doesnt it come up w/ PrntScrn ?
[12:15] <buz> abattoir: not for me
[12:15] <buz> but im sure one could set it like that somehow
[12:16] <abattoir> buz: ugh... who are 'you'? :S
[12:16] <abattoir> and what doesnt work? :)
[12:16] <buz> ksnapshot with printscreen
[12:16] <abattoir> buz: aah, ok... i thought you were someone who had /nick ed
[12:17] <abattoir> buz: you can set it though
[12:17] <abattoir> buz: in kcontrol
[12:17] <buz> oh what module?
[12:17] <abattoir> buz: on a laptop by any chance?
[12:17] <buz> yes
[12:17] <buz> never tried it on my desktop though
[12:17] <abattoir> buz: Regional & Accesibility->Keyboard shortcuts
[12:17] <buz> i should have guessed
[12:18] <abattoir> buz: command shortcuts
[12:18] <buz> yeah
[12:18] <buz> found it
[12:18] <buz> woah thats really a neat idea ;)
[12:19] <buz> works like a charm even on the notebook
[12:19] <abattoir> buz: should work out of the box in edgy, there is a team working on it :)
[12:19] <hardw1re> hmm xsane is trying to use my logitech camera as the scanner instead of the actual scanner...
[12:19] <buz> should be much more than an entry in a keymap no?
[12:20] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto1xa5.png
[12:21] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: nice :)
[12:22] <MilhousePunkRock> I feel like I am drunk when I look at that shot (translucent) on my own machine with the same stuff in the back...
[12:22] <abattoir> hehe
[12:23] <MilhousePunkRock> And yes, it does come up by default with Prnt-Scrn...
[12:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Didn't know that, never used it before
[12:23] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hmm, you seem to be on a laptop... too
[12:23] <MilhousePunkRock> That's another thing Winblows could learn... Taking screenshots there is a PITA
[12:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Indeed I am, my (2nd) big love, IBM ThinkPad T23
[12:24] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: maybe because people there have nothing to show off :P
[12:24] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: most people rarely even change the default wallpaper
[12:24] <abattoir> or if they change anything, its only that
[12:24] <MilhousePunkRock> That always used to be the first thing I did...
[12:25] <MilhousePunkRock> I changed the KDE splash screen, in the system settings... Will that effect the log-in screen too or do I have to change that seperately somewhere else?
[12:25] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: get soome superkaramba stuff in :)
[12:25] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: no, the login screen is different
[12:25] <abattoir> those are KDM/GDM themes
[12:26] <abattoir> kde-look.org is a treasure trove filled w/ all those stuff
[12:27] <hardw1re> >_<
[12:27] <hardw1re> i hate this scanner
[12:27] <abattoir> hardw1re: you installed it through Kcontrol/system settings?
[12:28] <hardw1re> i cant even see a scanner tab in the system settings
[12:28] <hardw1re> its there as a usb device, i've installed sane/xsane hplip etc etc etc and nothing
[12:30] <abattoir> hardw1re: i could have sworn that i saw a scanner settings option somewhere
[12:30] <abattoir> hardw1re: kooka doesnt recognise it at startup?
[12:31] <hardw1re> hardware - Keyboard | Mouse | Joystick | Printers | Laptop & Power | Digital Cameras | Display | Storage Media
[12:31] <hardw1re> nope, instead its seeing my webcam and setting that up as teh scanner
[12:33] <hardw1re> hmmm i must of missed something in the quickcam driver compilation, the webcam doesnt seem to be working properly (yet)
[12:35] <hardw1re> hmmm how do i actually set the su password? cause the quickcam config needs the SU password
[12:37] <aegeanlinux> hardw1re: sudo passwd
[12:37] <aegeanlinux> or sudo su
[12:37] <aegeanlinux> then passwd ;)
[12:38] <hardw1re> yeah i did
[12:38] <hardw1re> i rememberd :P
[12:38] <hardw1re> nah this is still failing
[12:38] <aegeanlinux> kk ;)
[12:38] <hardw1re> !pastebin
[12:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:39] <chemaja> aegeanlinux: yo
[12:39] <aegeanlinux> hey chemaja
[12:40] <hardw1re> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18765
[12:42] <aegeanlinux> hardw1re:
[12:42] <aegeanlinux>         mknod device: c 81 device:
[12:42] <aegeanlinux>         chmod a+rw device:
[12:42] <aegeanlinux> tried that?
[12:43] <hardw1re> mknod device: c 81 device:
[12:43] <hardw1re> mknod: invalid minor device number `device:'
[12:44] <MilhousePunkRock> What Laptop are you using, abattoir? I am yet to meet someone who got suspend and resume working properly
[12:44] <hardw1re> ling night?
[12:44] <hardw1re> its 11.44 am :P
[12:44] <aegeanlinux> long
[12:44] <aegeanlinux> its 8:44 pm
[12:44] <aegeanlinux> actually
[12:44] <hardw1re> i know i got this camera working before on the hoary version of ubuntu
[12:44] <hardw1re> but i just cant remember what i did back then to get it working lol
[12:45] <hardw1re> AGGHH how do i exit out of a flippin' manual...
[12:47] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: An Acer Aspire 5000.... and suspend/resume work perfectly :P
[12:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Now I hate you, abattoir
[12:47] <abattoir> hardw1re: 'q' ?
[12:47] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hehe
[12:47] <hardw1re> bah
[12:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Did you do antything to get it done or was it straight out of the box?
[12:48] <hardw1re> hmm i think i may have to reconfigure my kernel for ohci/uhci support
[12:48] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i never really had the need for it... so i just tried it the other day, and guess what, it worked... :)
[12:48] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i used to use Mandriva before this... the battery wasnt detected and suspending worked, but not resume...
[12:49] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: Breezy was similar... but dapper, everything worked out of the box :)
[12:49] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i'm sure there are docs... what model again? T?
[12:49] <MilhousePunkRock> T23
[12:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Are you using APM or ACPI?
[12:51] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i guess you are unlucky... it is 'untested' here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadT23-2647
[12:51] <abattoir> so you dont know conclusively whether it works or not, or what you have to do
[12:51] <abattoir> ACPI
[12:53] <MilhousePunkRock> I can give you precise symptoms...
[12:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Turning off the screen work, will turn back on
[12:53] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: http://www.williambrownstreet.net/Linux/  might help
[12:54] <MilhousePunkRock> Suspending to RAM works, but on resuming, mouse and keyboard are dead (though I can restart X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace)
[12:54] <abattoir> i know its a different model, but these things might be the same across productlines sometimes
[12:54] <MilhousePunkRock> Hibernating won't work until I set up that special partition
[12:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, the X60 is brand new...
[12:56] <MilhousePunkRock> I googled like a madman, did not find anthing for a comparable system yet
[12:56] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: wouldnt hurt to try :P
[12:57] <abattoir> its only adding something to grub... even if your system does not boot, you can remove the entry from grub and then boot
[12:57] <abattoir> not that it'd happen :P ^^^^
[12:57] <MilhousePunkRock> I think it's an X related problem...
[12:57] <tommy2k4> i made my / too small and now it wont login, so if i format /home and make / bigger from windows will it work fine
[12:57] <MilhousePunkRock> But I could try...
[12:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Oh and you were right about the console, it's pseudo-transparent...
[12:59] <MilhousePunkRock> I only see the desktop behind it, not the other windows
[01:02] <MilhousePunkRock> How do I exactly add those boot parameters?
[01:09] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: What exactly do I have to add to the menu.lst?
[01:22] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: add it in the same line as your kernel entry
[01:22] <abattoir> you should see stuff like 'quiet' or 'splash'
[01:22] <MilhousePunkRock> So it would be /hda4 in my case?
[01:23] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: wasnt that what the guide said?
[01:23] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: that's your swap?
[01:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, at least that's flagged Linux swap in fdisk -l
[01:23] <omeow> How do I downgrade zsnes to 1.41? version 1.42 keeps segfaulting.
[01:23] <MilhousePunkRock> hda5 it is
[01:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Why do I have hda1, hda2 and hda5 anyway?
[01:24] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: what do you mean? didnt you partition that?
[01:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Let's see if that helps...
[01:25] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: oh, or it might be that IBM recovery stuff
[01:25] <MilhousePunkRock> I let it do that automagically on the installation, but why is it 5 and not 3?
[01:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Nope, none of that was ever on it when I got the Laptop (used)
[01:25] <abattoir> might be because its logical
[01:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Thank the dishonest seller for driving me towards Linux anyway...
[01:26] <abattoir> hardw1re: :'( , it still doesnt work?
[01:26] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hehe, what did he lie to you about?
[01:26] <hardw1re> o
[01:26] <hardw1re> no*
[01:26] <hardw1re> when i run xawtv i just get a blue screen
[01:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Since he installed a pirated copy of WinXP Pro... :-/
[01:27] <hardw1re> and when i run xsane (it uses the webcam instead of the scanner) and it just says failed to load device when i hit scan
[01:27] <MilhousePunkRock> I added it, will reboot now to see if it makes any difference...
[01:27] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: oh, hehe
[01:27] <abattoir> hardw1re: what model again?
[01:28] <hardw1re> for which the webcam or the scanner?
[01:28] <abattoir> hardw1re: scanner
[01:28] <hardw1re> HP scanjet 4070
[01:28] <hardw1re> i've even added it intot the libsane rules
[01:29] <abattoir> hardw1re: for the webcam, you tried the stuff in !webcam ?
[01:29] <abattoir> !webcam
[01:29] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:29] <abattoir> hardw1re: 'sane-find-scanner' detects it?
[01:32] <abattoir> hardw1re: you do have hplip installed right?
[01:32] <abattoir> !info hplip
[01:32] <ubotu> hplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In repository main, is optional. Version 0.9.7-4ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 450 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[01:33] <hardw1re> found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [hewlett packard] , product=0x2405 [hp scanjet] , chip=RTS8822L-01H) at libusb:004:006
[01:33] <hardw1re>   # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by
[01:33] <hardw1re>   # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.
[01:33] <hardw1re> yeah i do have hplip installed
[01:33] <abattoir> hardw1re: and what does scanimage -L say?
[01:33] <hardw1re> device `v4l:/dev/video0' is a Noname Logitech QuickCam USB virtual device
[01:34] <MilhousePunkRock> Did not help, abattoir, but thx anyway...
[01:34] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hmmm, ok, might work with edgy :)
[01:35] <hardw1re> whats good for listening to mp3 streams with? ones that understand the .pls extension
[01:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Since the guy with that x60 was using the 686 kernel, what is the advantage of that? Right now I am running 386, but a Pentium 3 Mobile is a 686 CPU, isnt it?
[01:35] <MilhousePunkRock> hardw1re: vlc probably...
[01:35] <abattoir> hardw1re: am not sure if amarok handles .pls, but am sure xmms does
[01:36] <abattoir> hardw1re: actually amarok does too, i've heard shoutcast stuff
[01:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Is there a way to find out what BIOS I have from the OS?
[01:36] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: yes, i guess it is optimised for Pentium-class processors, but am not sure if it'd make much of a difference
[01:37] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hmmm i think there is... but i dont know exactly
[01:38] <hardw1re> >_< hmm playing and getting no sound
[01:39] <abattoir> hardw1re: amarok? you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[01:39] <abattoir> hardw1re: what about xmms?
[01:40] <hardw1re> hmmm
[01:40] <hardw1re> it is playing
[01:40] <hardw1re> but not very loudly
[01:40] <hardw1re> stupid 5.1 sound cards
[01:40] <hardw1re> lol
[01:41] <abattoir> sound blaster?
[01:41] <hardw1re> audigy 2 zs
[01:41] <abattoir> aah, ok
[01:42] <abattoir> creative is probably the only company that i can think of that has managed to deliver quality stuff and prevent serious competition from entering its segment
[01:42] <abattoir> in the tech industry, that is
[01:42] <hardw1re> yeah they are ace
[01:42] <abattoir> and the sound card market, to be precise
[01:42] <hardw1re> they work nicely on windows :P
[01:43] <abattoir> their HQ is nice :)
[01:43] <Chris7mas> hi all
[01:43] <MilhousePunkRock> Any other Ideas on the ACPI, abattoir?
[01:43] <MilhousePunkRock> hi Chris7mas
[01:44] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: only resume doesnt work right? stuff like battery monitor,  lid switch, etc. work?
[01:44] <MilhousePunkRock> It's more of an X problem, I am sure...
[01:45] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i wonder why you say ACPI then...
[01:45] <netbrain> is it possible to use nautilus as xfce's filemanager?
[01:45] <abattoir> netbrain: i think it is, but you'd be answered better at #xubuntu
[01:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Battery Monitor (KPowersave) works fine, switching energy profiles work, turning off the screen works...
[01:46] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: then i dont think its an ACPI issue.... why do you say that? read it somewhere?
[01:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, I am expressing myself a little blurry, admittedly...
[01:46] <netbrain> abattoir: thank you
[01:47] <MilhousePunkRock> I call it ACPI problem, since ACPI is power management, and not resuming is related to power management from my point of view
[01:47] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i'm not very sure, but http://acpi.sf.net might help you
[01:48] <hardw1re> that got it working, i set amarok to manually use the alsa mixer
[01:48] <MilhousePunkRock> Been there already... Found nothing helpful so far, but I will look again
[01:49] <hardw1re> so it was amarok not streaming to the mixing device
[01:50] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i just suggested that because i thought it might be useful... if you have already seen it i am not very sure it'll be useful though
[01:50] <hardw1re> ok then, now that i got some music to listen too time to get this bast*rd scanner working
[01:50] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: btw, do you actually *use* suspend/restore or is it a feature that you just want to have for the occasional use?
[01:50] <MilhousePunkRock> I found something for FreeBSD on a ThinkPad, there the mouse needed to be restarted too
[01:51] <Tommy2k4> i need to delete swap and /home so i can make / bigger, any way to do that without a livecd
[01:51] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: I use that quite regularly, when I leave the laptop, I close the lid and it suspends... At least that's how I wish it was...
[01:51] <abattoir> hardw1re: hehe... but seriously, i'd expect the scanner to work out of the box w/ hplip and kooka, the scanner in my hp all in one did
[01:51] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hmmm... ok
[01:51] <hardw1re> yeah well apparently the 4070 isnt so straight forward for linux
[01:52] <abattoir> hardw1re: i wonder what's so different compared to the other models
[01:53] <MilhousePunkRock> In the #xorg channel noone ever responds, I have been there to ask for help as well...
[01:54] <hardw1re> oh well i think i broke the usb drivers lol
[01:54] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: would you try and compile the latest version of suspend2 and take all the trouble if it meant resume worked?
[01:54] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i'm not sure, but maybe you could try that.... wait a sec
[01:55] <vikapi> alguien habla espaol
[01:55] <hardw1re> lsusb stops responding, usb devices in the info center stops responding too lol
[01:55] <abattoir> !es
[01:55] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:55] <MilhousePunkRock> Someone even suggested compiling a new kernel...
[01:55] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: yes...
[01:56] <abattoir> !info suspend2
[01:56] <ubotu> Package suspend2 does not exist in dapper
[01:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Once I have the system set-up completely, I am probably going to that anyway... A tailor made OS... Isn't that what everybody wants?
[01:57] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: http://www.suspend2.net/ is the page, but if you google, you might find a version for ubuntu
[01:57] <abattoir> not sure if it'll fix the issue though
[01:57] <abattoir> remember, Google is your best friend online :P
[01:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, the first sentence on that page (I did google that the moment you mentioned the package) says it's hibernation
[01:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Did I not say I am looking for Suspend to RAM?
[01:59] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hmmm, i'm not sure how that'd work
[01:59] <abattoir> afaik, an image of your current system(including ram state i guess) is stored in your harddisk
[02:00] <abattoir> this is reloaded when you boot up
[02:00] <MilhousePunkRock> That's suspend to disc though
[02:01] <MilhousePunkRock> I got mixed up on the names too... Standby, Sleep, Suspend...
[02:01] <MilhousePunkRock> I am sure I would get hibernation to work without suspend2
[02:01] <abattoir> oh, so you want *sleep* to work?
[02:01] <MilhousePunkRock> but I don't have the special partition I need for it, at least not yet
[02:02] <abattoir> all this while i thought it was hibernation....
[02:02] <MilhousePunkRock> The exact term is "Suspend to RAM"
[02:02] <abattoir> i thought Suspend/Resume was that
[02:02] <abattoir> hmm, that makes sense :)
[02:02] <abattoir> ok, tbh i havent tried that in my laptop :P
[02:02] <MilhousePunkRock> I thought I was looking for standby first, since that was the name in Windows
[02:04] <abattoir> hmmm, heh, i have no clue about that, never found that useful :P
[02:04] <abattoir> ok, anyways, i need to go now... catch you later... bye
[02:05] <hardw1re> I HATE HP!!!
[02:05] <hardw1re> lol
[02:05] <hardw1re> they make a great scanner, that doesnt work out the box on linux
[02:05] <abattoir> hardw1re: chill dude :P
[02:05] <hardw1re> and i just cant find any info on it on google
[02:05] <abattoir> hardw1re: i'd still suggest looking at getting the usb fixed and try messing around w/ hplib... it should work
[02:05] <hardw1re> i also hate my logitech quickcam messenger webcam, cause thats not as straight forward to get working
[02:06] <abattoir> have to go.. hardw1re, MilhousePunkRock, bye :)
[02:06] <hardw1re> ok
[02:06] <hardw1re> seee ya
[02:06] <MilhousePunkRock> CU abattoir
[02:06] <hardw1re> i'mma rebootle me thinks
[02:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Thx for your patience!
[02:09] <Jack1> hiya
[02:09] <danny50010> hi
[02:09] <danny50010> whats up?
[02:09] <Jack1> does anyone know how kmail gets that way configured that it tells me when new mail has arrived?
[02:10] <danny50010> nope
[02:10] <danny50010> and I think I'm the only one here
[02:10] <danny50010> you want to here the craziest thing ever?
[02:10] <KDEfanboy> what's that
[02:11] <danny50010> I just picked up a chick from Astralia!
[02:11] <danny50010> on the net
[02:11] <danny50010> msn
[02:11] <scheuri> Jack1: it should be possible either giving a tone or a pop up
[02:11] <KDEfanboy> Jack1: ya, using kontify
[02:11] <danny50010> yeh use that
[02:11] <scheuri> Jack1: but I am on a german KMail, so I cant really navigate you through the menu
[02:11] <scheuri> danny50010: are you okay?
[02:11] <danny50010> yeh why?
[02:11] <KDEfanboy> wow danny well don't be stingy.. share your secrets
[02:12] <danny50010> ok
[02:12] <danny50010> I went to a hot groups room for romance
[02:12] <scheuri> oh...my...
[02:12] <danny50010> and I found so chick from aussie
[02:12] <danny50010> got her email
[02:13] <danny50010> then emailed her a sexy story that I amde up
[02:13] <scheuri> PLEASE go to ubuntu-offtopic for this
[02:13] <scheuri> or kubuntu-offtopic
[02:13] <danny50010> now I talk to here on msn
[02:13] <danny50010> she sends me pics!
[02:13] <danny50010> hold on she's back
[02:14] <jazon> anyone in here have access to NetLibrary through their university library?
[02:14] <jazon> if you do, i need a favor ... :P
[02:15] <Jack1> scheuri say it in german
[02:15] <Tommy2k4> k im in livecd and i got qtparted open and i deleted /home and swap
[02:15] <scheuri> Jack1: hold on
[02:15] <Tommy2k4> but resize on /dev/hda2 ( / ) is disabled
[02:15] <danny50010> I'm back
[02:16] <KDEfanboy> i occasionally get random hard locks on my kubuntu system.. aside from looking through /var/log.. any other place i can check to try to determine wtf is going on?
[02:17] <aleksi> any fin here ?
[02:17] <scheuri> Jack1: oh my...cant find it myself just now...gimme another minute...so sorry
[02:19] <Jack1> scheuri we can speak in german dont worry
[02:19] <v3ctor> !fi
[02:19] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[02:19] <scheuri> Jack1: if we do so...please change to channel #ubuntu-de or #kubuntu-de
[02:21] <hardw1re> hmm HPLIP seems to only cover multifunction printers that have built in scanners
[02:29] <mihal> ccc
[02:33] <ergin> selam
[02:33] <ergin> trk yokmu ??
[02:35] <scheuri> !tk
[02:35] <ubotu> I know nothing about tk - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:35] <Tommy2k4> why would resize on dev/hda2 (/) be disabled in qtparted when booted to livecd
[02:39] <nacer> hi salut
[02:46] <Tommy2k4> http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3365/resizems0.png why is resize disabled
[02:51] <dj_baggio> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=6692.0;topicseen
[02:51] <dj_baggio> any ideas? :)
[02:58] <hardw1re> !systemlog
[02:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about systemlog - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:58] <hardw1re> !system log
[02:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about system log - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:58] <hardw1re> where do i find the system log?
[02:58] <v3ctor>  /var/log/messages
[03:00] <dj_baggio> exactly;] 
[03:00] <hardw1re> hmm everything seems good, i just cant seem to get an image from my webcam
[03:02] <hardw1re> just junk
[03:02] <hardw1re> i use to get this problem the 1st time i did this last year, and i solved it... but thaaaaaaaaat was a long time ago
[03:05] <ubuntu_> my kubuntu crashed even from livecd :(
[03:08] <Tommy2k4> http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9423/snapshot1hs2.png why wont it let me resize hda2
[03:14] <hardw1re> no idea Tommy2k4
[03:14] <bea> ehil...
[03:15] <bea> ehm
[03:15] <bea> sono nuova anzi nuovissima
[03:15] <bea> non  che qulacuno ha un minuto?
[03:17] <rlj> having some troubles reading some dvd movies. i have libdvdcss2 installed as described in the RestrictedFormats wiki page, and some dvds do indeed play (and i assume they must have css since they're commercial dvd movies) however some do not, especially some bearing the tag "copy protected" on the disc/cover. what does this term mean in context or is it just a buzzword some put on meaning nothing but the normal css?
[03:17] <rlj> all discs i've tried have the same region code (2) so i don't think that's the issue
[03:17] <rlj> using kaffeine under kubuntu 6.06
[03:18] <hardw1re> what about mplayer?
[03:18] <laDivina> hi!!
[03:18] <rlj> hardw1re: haven't tried so far
[03:19] <rlj> hardw1re: only kaffeine (which is using xine, right?) so far
[03:19] <rlj> maybe i should download vlc and have a go
[03:19] <laDivina> hardw1re i'm new...can you help me?
[03:19] <laDivina> pygi????????
[03:19] <pygi> laDivina: what's wrong?
[03:19] <laDivina> hi pygi!!! pigy is the name of my best friend...incredible
[03:20] <laDivina> ehm...pygi i never use linux til now
[03:20] <laDivina> and i think i didn't configure the swap
[03:20] <pygi> what do you mean by "didn't configure the swap"?
[03:20] <pygi> you havent made a swap partition?
[03:20] <Lynoure> rlj: just to help others with helping you: what happens when you play the ones you have problems with? Any error messages, anything at all?
[03:21] <laDivina> yes i made the partition but
[03:21] <laDivina> how can i do to be sure that the partition i made is using by the swap?
[03:21] <pygi> swap is being used, don't worry about that :)
[03:21] <laDivina> (first of all...thanks a lot for your time!)
[03:22] <pygi> laDivina: don't thank me :P
[03:22] <pygi> laDivina: you can be sure that swap works for you
[03:22] <rlj> Lynoure: kaffeine complains about not being able to read the disc, suggesting the disc might not contain video data or i do not have sufficient privileges to perform the operation
[03:23] <rlj> downloading vlc now anyway. will have a go with that one. after all, libdvdcss is developed by the vlc guys, isn't it?
[03:23] <pygi> laDivina: have you configured your system? apt and stuff?
[03:23] <laDivina> no...what does it means??
[03:23] <laDivina> apt and stuff...?
[03:23] <v3ctor> `swapon -s` will show you what swap devices are being used
[03:23] <pygi> laDivina: apt is package manager
[03:23] <pygi> anyway, please wait a sec :)
[03:23] <laDivina> ah ok!! adept!!
[03:24] <laDivina> ok pygi
[03:25] <Jack1> hi how do i set up a root password to use with su -p?
[03:26] <pygi> laDivina: do: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:26] <Jack1> i have a sudo one but thats another cup of coffee
[03:26] <hardw1re> sudo passwd
right thx
[03:26] <pygi> laDivina: put in your password, erase all content and paste stuff from this location:
[03:27] <pygi> laDivina: you alive? :P
[03:28] <laDivina> yeah yeah i'm alive..i guess
[03:28] <pygi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18783
[03:28] <laDivina> i wrote the kommand
[03:28] <pygi> after that, use:
[03:28] <pygi> "sudo apt-get update"
[03:28] <pygi> "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[03:28] <pygi> laDivina: tell if there is anything you dont understand
[03:28] <laDivina> i think that adept already upgrade the system
[03:29] <pygi> laDivina: just please do all the steps I said :)
[03:29] <laDivina> right
[03:31] <laDivina> ok pygi i did it
[03:31] <Tommy2k4> well i figured out how to resize the partition if anyone wants to know
[03:31] <pygi> laDivina: all of the steps?
[03:32] <laDivina> yes!
[03:32] <pygi> laDivina: ok, lets get on with more configuration & setting up :)
[03:33] <pygi> just run the commands I tell you and say when you're done
[03:33] <pygi> wget http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/files/easyubuntu-3.022.tar.gz
[03:36] <pygi> laDivina: done downloading?
[03:39] <Tommy2k4> my comp couldnt of picked a worse time to crash >_<
[03:39] <Tommy2k4> while i was repartitioning my hdd
[03:48] <doppelganger_> yo aegean, are you here?
[03:48] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:57] <hardw1re> is there a way to tell something to make with a specific version of gcc?
[03:58] <buz> does anybody know how to boot an ibook from a kubuntu ppc cd? shouldnt it be enough to hit C upon boot?
[04:00] <ThunderStruck> hardw1re: i think apt-cache show package tells you that
[04:04] <tommy2k4> i managed to resize my / partition :) but now it wont login :(
[04:04] <tommy2k4> could not start kstartupconfig or something
[04:04] <tommy2k4> so i think it either doesnt like my /home being empty or its not mounting it
[04:05] <hardw1re> ThunderStruck: i mean when you do a make install or a make all, to tell it to compile with gcc 3.4 instead of gcc 4.0
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> tommy2k4: that would certainly do it.
[04:10] <ThunderStruck> hardw1re: i dont htink you do since it was compiled with a version already but if you can you would set the version you want to use and ./configure make sudo checkinstall
[04:12] <Healot> hardw1re: install gcc 3.4, prefix the compile command with CC=gcc-3.4
[04:14] <hardw1re> nah camera still wont work propler
[04:14] <hardw1re> properly&
[04:14] <hardw1re> *
[04:19] <synie> hey, i'm startung out of my program some other processes. if i'll list the programm with the processes via ps -axf, then the processes r listed within the "main"-program (in tree style). is the ram load infront of the "main"-program the load of ALL processes, started out of this program, or is it only the load of the program itself ?
[04:19] <Healot> my one cent, stick to Windows. hardw1re
[04:21] <hardw1re> >_<
[04:21] <hardw1re> windows is boring
[04:21] <Healot> no, it is not... the coolest GUI-oriented OS ever :)
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> heh, I was about to say ubuntu was having trouble again but apparently SBC is having an interconnect problem with level3.net
[04:31] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Hello
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: Hi
[04:35] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: is there anyway to turn off comming and going announcements?
[04:35] <RogueX> MilhousePunkRock: Hello
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: in irssi ?
[04:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey RogueX
[04:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Are you using Konversation, RogueX?
[04:36] <flake> i'm running kubuntu, is it the same as dapper drake?
[04:36] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: In Konversation my window fills up with all the statements of users leaving and comming...
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> flake: dapper is simply a release name for kubuntu/ubuntu - just like vista is for windows.
[04:36] <RogueX> MilhousePunkRock: yes
[04:37] <MilhousePunkRock> flake: Dapper Drake is the codename for the 6.06 'Untus
[04:37] <eshed> but isnt kubuntu with KDE and ubuntu with GNOME?
[04:37] <flake> will i have to re-install with every upgrade of drake
[04:37] <slow-motion> yes
[04:37] <eshed> umm anyone knows about SIS650 and ubuntu?
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> eshed: that's how they start out, but one can install the other as well.
[04:37] <gnomefreak> eshed: yes
[04:37] <slow-motion> kubuntu is kde and ubuntu gnome
[04:38] <flake> drake is like suse or fedora then
[04:38] <josh___> how do you kill x server
[04:38] <MilhousePunkRock> RogueX: Settings --> Set up Konversation --> Chat window --> Behavoiur --> join/part/nick events
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> flake: drake is just a version of ubuntu
[04:38] <flake> will i have to reinstall everything if/when drake goes to next release
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> 6.06 is dapper drake, 6.10 will be Edgy Eft
[04:39] <josh___> telinit 3 doesn't work!!
[04:39] <eshed> anyone? SiS 650 troubles D:
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> flake: no, you can do upgrades
[04:39] <MilhousePunkRock> The next will have another name
[04:39] <MilhousePunkRock> ^^ flake
[04:39] <flake> that's cool
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> flake: or you can continue to run drake, security updates will be supported for the next 5 or so years I think.
[04:40] <eshed> i can't install my video onboard SiS 650 card... can't even go above 60 refresh rate :-\
[04:40] <josh___> yeah because you need the nvidia drivers
[04:40] <josh___> acutally not nvidia
[04:40] <josh___> just video drivers
[04:40] <eshed> where can i get those?
[04:40] <MilhousePunkRock> Did you find that RogueX?
[04:40] <RogueX> MilhousePunkRock: YOU ROCK!    Thank you VERY MUCH
[04:41] <flake> eshed - nvidia has linux drivers on their website
[04:41] <josh___> i have to install ndidia drivers too...
[04:41] <josh___> and i need to quit x server but nobody will tell me how
[04:41] <MilhousePunkRock> Thx RogueX, but I am only a beginner...
[04:41] <josh___> and telenit 3 doesn't do shit
[04:41] <eshed> flake: i dont have nvidia, i have lame sis onboard
[04:41] <flake> oh
[04:41] <eshed> and i cant find the correct drivers
[04:42] <RogueX> MilhousePunkRock: Then your a advance beginner!!
[04:42] <flake> can you upgrade your mb
[04:42] <eshed> my what? (newbe sometimes over here)
[04:42] <flake> motherboard
[04:42] <flake> or is it a laptop
[04:42] <eshed> OH
[04:42] <eshed> no, no laptop
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> josh___: telinit3, should, or sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:42] <eshed> and i dont intend to upgrade, just want to use linux properly :D
[04:42] <flake> oh
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> sudo telinit 3 anyway
[04:43] <flake> sis650 drivers?
[04:43] <eshed> yes
[04:43] <flake> http://www.download.com/SiS-SiS650-SiS740-Family-Chipset-Graphics-Driver-Windows-2000-XP-/3000-2108_4-10278937.html
[04:43] <flake> ?
[04:43] <josh___> kdm not responding to TERM signal (pid 4996).
[04:44] <eshed> that was fast ^_^ tnx ill try it
[04:44] <gatekeeper> LeeJunFan: are you going to be able to wait until 2007 version has been released before upgrading and will you be able to go from dapper to the 2007 version?
[04:44] <eshed> but windows xp?
[04:44] <flake> it says windows2000/xp
[04:44] <flake> make sure it's right model number
[04:44] <eshed> dont i need linux or smtng?
[04:44] <flake> doh
[04:44] <mneisen> Hello, does anybody know how I can tell KDE to mount media (USB sticks/external harddrive) without the noexec mount option?
[04:45] <flake> http://www.sis.com/support/support_faqs_16.htm
[04:45] <flake> it says it has support for linux kernel 2.4.20
[04:45] <flake> use www.google.com, you can find almost anything with it
[04:46] <eshed> ...its redhat :-\
[04:47] <eshed> flake: i use the new ubuntu (dapper drake 6.06) and it comes with a default driver, but it only reaches 1024 res with max 60 refresh rate :-\
[04:47] <josh___> every thing i try doesn't work
[04:48] <flake> did you try sending their tech support an email
[04:48] <netherworld> Hi! There is a new scene in the net ftp://all:q1w2e3@netherworld.is-a-geek.net:5000 if you like it, please consider uploading any related and relevant material. No porno, no movies, no musics! 100GB purely educational!
[04:48] <eshed> umm not yet, thought to try here first :)
[04:49] <josh___> i thought there was an auto update to get nvidia drivers
[04:50] <mneisen> !noexec
[04:50] <ubotu> I know nothing about noexec - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:50] <mneisen> !tell me noexec
[04:50] <ubotu> I know nothing about tell me noexec - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:51] <eshed> josh___: umm u tried using the ubuntu guide? it has a page about video drivers from ATI and Nvidia I think
[04:51] <josh___> omg
[04:51] <josh___> where
[04:51] <josh___> i think i've been to that
[04:51] <josh___> link me plz
[04:52] <eshed> umm sec
[04:52] <josh___> u need to install something in package manager
[04:52] <josh___> i can never install anythign with package manager
[04:53] <josh___> it downloads it then does nothing
[04:53] <flake> esehd - what's the problem with your current driver(s)
[04:53] <eshed> flake - i can see the linux and everything
[04:53] <josh___> o yay its working
[04:53] <eshed> but it only goes up to 60 refresh rate
[04:54] <eshed> and i cant use any 3d stuff
[04:54] <eshed> google earth even
[04:54] <josh___> u can't go past 60 refresh rate cuz u have no drivers
[04:54] <eshed> that's the point ^_^ i need those drivers
[04:54] <josh___> google it?
[04:55] <MilhousePunkRock> How do I untar a .tar.bz2 on the console?
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> tar xvfj
[04:55] <houngan> tar -xvjf file
[04:56] <mneisen> MilhousePunkRock: I would do tar xfjp file.tar.bz2 - this keeps the permissions tha are contained in the file.
[04:56] <yamal> eshed: check http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart1.shtml
[04:56] <eshed> ye someone just gave me that address in the #ubuntu channel, but it doesnt respond
[04:56] <eshed> oh wait, i dont think its the same one
[04:57] <eshed> yamal: saw your page
[04:57] <eshed> yamal: (know it)
[04:57] <MilhousePunkRock> And how do I specify a "target path"? It's in /home/me/Downloads now and the I want it unpacked to /home/me/var/
[04:58] <eshed> yamal: ill try again :)
[04:59] <yamal> eshed: looks like it has all the info you need, esp the "x driver" parts towards the end
[04:59] <eshed> yamal: bah that page is old ... i have X version 7.0.0 and the max it has is 6.9
[04:59] <eshed> yamal: well i guess ill try "X.org 6.9.0 (gcc 4.x; should work for 7.0 as well)"
[05:01] <flake> is enabling dmz on a gaming pc (within a router network) dangerous
[05:02] <josh___> no
[05:02] <josh___> its fine
[05:02] <MilhousePunkRock> flake: I'd rather forward the ports manually though
[05:02] <josh___> cuz routers have firewalls anyways
[05:02] <MilhousePunkRock> Isn't DMZ bypassing the firewall big time?
[05:02] <josh___> well apps like steam require non-dmz along with forwarded ports
[05:03] <eshed> umm how can I stop X.org?
[05:03] <josh___> i can't enable it because steam won't let me
[05:03] <flake> yes, for just one internal ip address
[05:04] <MilhousePunkRock> mneisen: How can I specify a target path for untaring?
[05:04] <flake> i'm just trying to reduce lag on my 10-15mb/s line
[05:04] <flake> people still get one shoot in - lose a couple of frames, and i'm dead
[05:04] <MilhousePunkRock> lag is not necessarily connected to the line speed
[05:04] <eshed> its more to where u live, no?
[05:04] <MilhousePunkRock> You'd have to determine if it's system or network lag first
[05:05] <eshed> Anyone knows how to STOP X.org?
[05:05] <MilhousePunkRock> What game is it, flake?
[05:05] <flake> et(lin or win), bf2 (for win)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> eshed: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[05:06] <flake> cod2 runs great
[05:06] <flake> quake4 lags (lin or win)
[05:07] <eshed> Hobbsee: someone told me to do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:07] <Hobbsee> eshed: well, are you using kdm or gdm?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> eshed: seeing as that will determine which to use
[05:07] <eshed> Hobbsee: what, gnome or kde?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> (and why are you asking the same questoin in two channels at once anyway?)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> eshed: effectively, yeah
[05:07] <MilhousePunkRock> flake: Than it's not the router... Just lower your settings in the game
[05:07] <bady> hi guys
[05:07] <eshed> Hobbsee: well gdm then ^_^
[05:07] <flake> ok
[05:08] <eshed> Hobsee: tnx
[05:08] <eshed> Hobsee: i tried it sometime ago and it made my screen flicker endlessly.... or am i wrong? :0\
[05:09] <bady> I'm trying to use qucs to learn some stuff about circuits... but once I try to put a table into the data window it crashes... I tryed putting it into a graph and then it tells me that my data is invalid.... any ideas?
[05:10] <flake> thanks i'll try to tweak it more
[05:10] <arto> hoi
[05:10] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[05:11] <MilhousePunkRock> eshed: I think you need to open a new console for that with Ctrl-Alt-F1
[05:11] <tommy2k4> what do i need to do to be able to login again after formatting /home
[05:11] <flake> warzone 2100 is freeware, and have install for linux
[05:11] <tommy2k4> it says kstartupconfig could not start
[05:11] <flake> http://home.gna.org/warzone/index.shtml
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> flake: I have found the best way is to use a router in client mode then connect to that via wired (avoid using wireless for playing a game at low lag)
[05:12] <flake> right, i have it hardwired
[05:12] <bady> tommy2k4: you need to have a drive which you can mount to /home it has to be rw for your user....
[05:12] <h3sp4wn> flake: Don't know then
[05:12] <eshed> MilhousePunkRock: yea i think last time i didnt... btw how do i start X.org again after that?
[05:13] <bady> startx ?
[05:13] <MilhousePunkRock> lol eshed I had to figure that out just a second ago... CTRL-ALT-F6 it was, I think
[05:13] <MilhousePunkRock> startx won't work, bady, since X is still running
[05:14] <MilhousePunkRock> although if you stop it with /etc/init.d/xdm stop, startx should work
[05:14] <tommy2k4> bady ive partitioned it and its mounted
[05:14] <bady> well he didn't tell me that its still running
[05:14] <eshed> ill use /etc/initid/gdm stop
[05:14] <TeePOG> evening
[05:14] <bady> tommy2k4: do you have rw access?
[05:15] <eshed> MilhousePunkRock: umm ctrl-alt-f6 willstart X.org again or should i use startx?
[05:15] <tommy2k4> pretty sure it said so in mount, yes
[05:16] <MilhousePunkRock> I think if you stop it, f6 won't help...
[05:16] <eshed> so startx then? :)
[05:16] <MilhousePunkRock> sorry for the misunderstanding
[05:16] <bady> do a /etc/init.d/gdm start
[05:16] <eshed> np, tnx
[05:16] <bady> xdm of course
[05:17] <eshed> oh guess that's logical, since same thing with STOP stops it :)
[05:17] <bady> =9
[05:17] <eshed> i use gnome, thank u :) is that x thing better than gnome?
[05:17] <MilhousePunkRock> Gnome and KDE and whatnot all base on xserver AFAIK
[05:18] <eshed> so what is xubuntu about again, if not the desktop environment?
[05:19] <MilhousePunkRock> That's xfce, the window manager... Not to be confused with xserver
[05:19] <eshed> so xfce versus gnome, what do u say?
[05:19] <eshed> "Xfce is a lightweight desktop environment for unix-like operating systems. It aims to be fast and lightweight, while still being visually appealing and easy to use."
[05:19] <bady> gnome looks nicer xfce is nicer for your cpu
[05:20] <bady> KDE and gnome are eye candys... nnothing more
[05:20] <eshed> will i be better off with xfce? (i'm new to linux so i can adjust to anything right now)
[05:21] <bady> gnome is probably easier to use
[05:21] <bady> but it all depends on what you wanna do with your system
[05:21] <gemidjy_> I have 2 devices on my machine - a DVD-RW and a CD-RW (hdc and hdd respectively). I mount the cd via shell, mount /dev/hdb /media/dvd0, and it mounts fine, But KDE doesn't notices that DVD with data on it is inserted but it sees it as Blank CD and opens "Open with..." dialog..
[05:21] <eshed> what can u do with xfce that u cant with gnome or the other way around?
[05:22] <bady> you can do everything.... because you always have a terminal and the xserver for rendering the GUI of your apps
[05:23] <eshed> umm u have the terminal in gnome as well, no ?
[05:23] <bady> I think in gnome it is under Apps->system->Terminal....
[05:24] <bady> gemidjy_: I always thought kde wants to mount everything under mnt?
[05:24] <gemidjy_> bady: please ...
[05:24] <bady> ??
[05:24] <gemidjy_> kde doesn't mount anything at all, it is not its job
[05:24] <eshed> i added a shortcut in the panel to the terminal... its one click away:) but you could use the CTRL-ALT-Fx, no?
[05:24] <gemidjy_> and I can tell udev to mount my cdrom in /asmdkada/cdrom if I want
[05:25] <bady> gemidjy_: yes I know... but it has an automounter.... and since you are in #kubuntu
[05:25] <gemidjy_> bady: I know that man!
[05:25] <gemidjy_> geez..
[05:25] <dr_willis> theres some udev config files you can mess with :) or so ive read about.
[05:25] <MilhousePunkRock> eshed: I doubt that a terminal _inside_ X will stop X properly
[05:25] <bady> gemidjy_: you should calm down...
[05:25] <dr_willis> or just make a soft link.
[05:26] <gemidjy_> bady: Kay calls udev and it listens for its calls, nothing else
[05:26] <eshed> MilhousePunkRock: that's why i use the CTRL-ALT-Fx, no/
[05:26] <gemidjy_> so kde still doesnt mount anything
[05:26] <MilhousePunkRock> What is this supposed to mean: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:26] <MilhousePunkRock> I think so, eshed
[05:26] <gemidjy_> MilhousePunkRock: install kdebase-dev
[05:27] <JavaByte> hi - i've got a problem with a drive not showing up - i've tried to mount it with sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc3 /media/hdc3 and it says mount: mount point /media/hdc3 does not exist
[05:27] <eshed> well thanks MilhousePunkRock and all, if i leave the chatroom then it means i had to restart my comp because the drivers wont install noramlly :) bbs
[05:27] <JavaByte> yet it appears in media??
[05:27] <MukiEX> Is there a solid guide for 1. ghosting and 2. installing XGL?
[05:27] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  that dir needs to EXIST befor ya mount it..
[05:27] <dr_willis> media - is part of the auto mounting system
[05:27] <MilhousePunkRock> You need to specify a mountpoint, not the device, JavaByte
[05:27] <dr_willis> so it can auto do things. :)
[05:28] <JavaByte> so i create /hdc3 in /media and it's all good :?
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> JavaByte: yeah, mkdir /media/hdc3
[05:28] <JavaByte> cool :)
[05:28] <eshed> weird, why cant i use CTRL-ALT-F2? D:
[05:28] <MilhousePunkRock> What's wrong with F1 eshed?
[05:29] <eshed> same as all the other Fx's, MilhousePunkRock
[05:29] <eshed> it just won't go there D:
[05:30] <eshed> so weird, i just went there couple of minutes ago
[05:30] <MilhousePunkRock> I think you can quit KDE or Gnome from the Login-Screen
[05:31] <eshed> well yea but its so weird
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> eshed: you don't have a function key lock on your keyboard that needs activated do you?
[05:32] <kalinda> Hey! I need some help :)
[05:32] <eeos> hi there
[05:32] <eshed> LeeJunFan: i dont have that F lock or anything, just your regular Num lock, Caps lock and Scroll lock :)
[05:32] <JavaByte> damn now it's saying folder couldn't be opened - do i need to rb
[05:32] <JavaByte> ?
[05:32] <dr_willis> Padlock,
[05:32] <dr_willis> !mount
[05:32] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[05:33] <eeos> just installed kubuntu, but I have to problems here
[05:33] <kalinda> Anybody know how to properly install Azureus so it'll actually start?
[05:33] <dr_willis> ya may want to do some reading on the basics of mounting drives and partitiona JavaByte .
[05:33] <eshed> MilhousePunkRock: btw how do i return to the login screen when i use the terminal from the login screen?
[05:33] <kalinda> eeos: What are ur problems? lol.. I dunno if I can help or not.. I'm sort of new to it.. but I've used Linux for a few months now
[05:33] <dr_willis> kalinda,  I found Ktorrent better. :P    Azureus had some very very annoying bugs last i managed to get it working.
[05:34] <kalinda> Well, KTorrent is kinda... slooooooooooow... and I used Azureus in Suse... I'll switch if I have to.. but I'd like to get it working and see first
[05:34] <eeos> well, I need to learn how to install kde themes on kubuntu 6.06
[05:34] <dr_willis> ive never noticed ktorrent being any slower then azurus
[05:34] <kalinda> actually, Im not sure about KTorrent, just that it was tried in another distro and it had slow dload speeds
[05:35] <dr_willis> how do you even benchmark such things.
[05:35] <dr_willis> torrent downloads have so many other variables that can slow them down. :P
[05:35] <kalinda> lol yeah, I know..
[05:35] <kalinda> I guess I could try something I _know_ to be fast
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> azureus feels slow
[05:35] <JavaByte> ah i see now i need permission :s
[05:35] <dr_willis> i never found Azureus  to be fast.
[05:35] <dr_willis> :)
[05:35] <kalinda> Azureus IS slow.. I mean... cuz it uses Java..
[05:35] <MilhousePunkRock> OpenOffice... That was the fastest torrent I ever had
[05:35] <dr_willis> then again most torrents are slow.
[05:36] <kalinda> but it doesnth ave slow download speeds
[05:36] <kalinda> eeos: KDE themes? Okay..
[05:36] <dr_willis> Or course when ya are downloading stuff at 5k/s anyway.. for a week at a time...
[05:36] <h3sp4wn> rtorrent is the best to use (if you have to use torrents)
[05:36] <kalinda> eeos: Go to www.kde-look.org
[05:36] <JavaByte> whats the linux equivelent for attrib then?
[05:36] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  whats your fstab entry?
[05:36] <kalinda> Then, go to themes
[05:36] <kalinda> I think
[05:36] <kalinda> there will be instructions
[05:36] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  you DONT chmod the mounted dirs. you use the right options to mount and in the fstab.
[05:36] <root__> hi there
[05:37] <kalinda> hello
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> JavaByte: chmod
[05:37] <MilhousePunkRock> you shouldn't use IRC as root, root__
[05:37] <dr_willis> ya shouldent be doing anything as root - :) that dosent have to be done as root. :P then exit out of root. "the root of all evil" l0l
[05:37] <JavaByte> there's no fstab entry?? yet it mounted ok?
[05:38] <JavaByte> i don't get it?!!
[05:38] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  theres 2 systems going on.. the fstab, and then the auto mounting features of the window manager/desktop
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> JavaByte: fstab just has stuff in it that you supplied on the command line.
[05:38] <dr_willis> if you want to make a fstab entry thats fine. and may work better then the auto mounting stuff.
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> JavaByte: since you told it what fs type, device and mountpoint on the commandline it didn't need to look in fstab to fill in blanks.
[05:38] <stefan_> hello, where can I konfigure my scanner?
[05:39] <JavaByte> so i need to enter the fstab by manual edit?
[05:39] <root__> MilhousePunkRock: uh, why? is it wrong?
[05:39] <dr_willis> fstab is a text file... that can be edited.
[05:39] <MilhousePunkRock> You shouldn't ever be root on Linux unless you have to...
[05:39] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  what kind of drive is this?
[05:40] <MilhousePunkRock> You don't need to be root to use IRC, so don't be root... :-)
[05:40] <kalinda> Erm
[05:40] <JavaByte> 80gb HD
[05:40] <kalinda> this is gonna come off stupid but.. how do I tell Firefox to use KTorrent to open the torrent?
[05:40] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  is it a NTFS? or Linux partition... :P  i guessed it was a hard drive. :)
[05:40] <kalinda> The KMenu reveals nothing about where KTorrent actually IS
[05:40] <root__> MilhousePunkRock: well, if I canan ccess everything s root why should I restrict myself, I want it all
[05:40] <JavaByte> partitioned 4 times - linux root home swap and 40gb of ntfs
[05:40] <dr_willis> kalinda,  i always save the .torrents to a dir..  just in case.
[05:40] <dr_willis> !ntfs
[05:40] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[05:40] <kalinda> KTorrent doesnt do that for you?
[05:41] <dr_willis> !fstab
[05:41] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[05:41] <MilhousePunkRock> That's the reason why Windows is flooded with virii... Lack of restrictions...
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> root__: because windows does the same thing (everythign as admin) and see how well it works for them?
[05:41] <root__> MilhousePunkRock: if you dont install virii then you're safe, root or not, no?
[05:41] <kalinda> Also, I have a router.. which means it won't work unless I forward ports.. and yargh
[05:41] <root__> I've got an antivirus running, clamav I think
[05:42] <MilhousePunkRock> virii usually install themselves, using your root privileges...
[05:42] <kalinda> lol.. I tyried anti-virus one time
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> root__: or if you visit a webpage with an exploit, or run an errant command like rm -rf * when you happen to be in /
[05:42] <kalinda> Oh, cool.. KTorrent has a plugin for ports
[05:42] <JavaByte> so if i put "/dev/hdc3       /media/hdc3     ntfs    defaults" in fstab it should be fine?
[05:42] <dr_willis>    My fstab entry for the NTFS drive -->      Your may vary.   /dev/hda5 /media/hda1 ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0
[05:43] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  that will mount it readable ONLY by root
[05:43] <dr_willis> the 'user' and 'users' option, as well as the 'umask' option may be needed - depending on what you want to do.
[05:43] <eeos_> is anyone there?
[05:43] <dr_willis> google proberly has 10000000000 entries/examples of mounting a ntfs under linux.
[05:43] <eeos_> kalinda: I lost connection
[05:44] <dr_willis> Its annying that ubuntu/kubuntu managed to goof it up. :)
[05:44] <eeos_> kalinda:I know where to find themes, but I need to install themes I already have
[05:44] <JavaByte> should i have root home swap or root user swap btw - i think i messed that up
[05:44] <eeos_> kalinda: I do not know how to start kde theme manager on kubuntu
[05:44] <eeos_> kalinda: or can you install them without using the theme manager?
[05:45] <MilhousePunkRock> How do I add something to "path"?
[05:45] <kalinda> eeos: Oh! That's easy!
[05:45] <kalinda> eeos: Darn, I cant PM you... but alright.. here we go then
[05:45] <JavaByte> i just need to read it, rw isn't needed as i'm only using it for media avi mp3 etc
[05:46] <kalinda> KMenu > System Settings
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: export PATH=$PATH:[some dir] 
[05:46] <sensei> MilhousePunkRock: VARIABLE=path
[05:46] <kalinda> Appearance
[05:46] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  you dont want to write to a NTFS - its not very well supported and can trash the NTFS drive
[05:46] <MilhousePunkRock> I get this error when installing: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:46] <kalinda> erm.. okay.... I see what you mean. I believe you need KDM
[05:47] <MilhousePunkRock> So where are the X includes, I believe those have to be put in path, right?
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: if you want it to be permanent for you user then edit ~/.bash_profile, or /etc/profile to make it systemwide
[05:47] <kalinda> But I must ask, what do you mean by themes? Can I have a kde-look.org URL as an example? Because in Linux it has several things.. window doecorations, styles, colours, etc
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: that would be a different type of path for includes.
[05:47] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  The ultumate NTFS mounting Under linux web site ---->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[05:47] <dr_willis> :)
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: are you sure you have them installed?
[05:48] <MilhousePunkRock> not at all, LeeJunFan
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev
[05:49] <eshed> I'M BACK :D
[05:49] <MilhousePunkRock> But: What I was trying to do was installing something, that's not in the depos yet, a newer version of some program I already have... I doubt it needs something new...
[05:49] <kalinda_99> *registers on freenode*
[05:49] <noipmixam> any1 can help out with my prob
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: the one you already have installed come from the repos?
[05:50] <eshed> MilhousePunkRock, I tried copying the driver but when i did ..../gdm start, the screen was black and white and three weird consoles
[05:50] <kalinda_99> Actually, I cant.. brb..
[05:50] <kalinda_99> I'll be back in a little while
[05:50] <KDEfanboy> speaking of NTFS support, anyone tried the new ntfs-3g native GPL driver ? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=23836054&forum_id=2697
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> KDEfanboy: no, been waiting for you to screw up your system and tell us all how to do it right :p
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> KDEfanboy: actually I've been using captive for quite a while now (when needed) and haven't had need to try the new 3g yet.
[05:51] <dr_willis> Geeeeeee - love it when problems get asked in the form of riddlles... guess i just wont worry about it...
[05:52] <noipmixam> some1 hooked my laptop with an ACPI bug I think
[05:52] <noipmixam> whatever u call it
[05:53] <dr_willis> A lot of laptops have APCI bugs/issues/oddities. :)  I have several that have specific acpi features that dont work 100%
[05:53] <noipmixam> aka hibernate instead of shutting down
[05:54] <noipmixam> and its using its own device list so figure
[05:55] <MilhousePunkRock> LeeJunFan: Yeah, that was from the repos... It's KPowersave, I think in the repos is 6.0, but there is 6.02 already
[05:55] <MilhousePunkRock> That's what I am trying to configure make make install
[05:55] <JavaByte> so how do i set dr-xr-xr-x- with chmod ?
[05:56] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  theres several dozen web sites with chmod examples. :)
[05:56] <eshed> for some reason my SiS driver thing didnt work out :\
[05:56] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  what are ya chmoding?
[05:56] <JavaByte> hdc3
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: ah, that would be why you need new stuff then. When you are building an application it needs devel packages (includes, etc) to compile the application against certain libraries. When you install from a package (deb) it's already been compiled, so no includes are needed.
[05:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Ok, thx LeeJunFan
[05:57] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: what's up? :P
[05:57] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  you use the umask options.. like that web site said.
[05:57] <dr_willis> JavaByte,  The ultumate NTFS mounting Under linux web site ---->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[05:57] <JavaByte> cool :)
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: you'll probably run into a lot of those, you'll need kde libs devel as well. You should be able to search with adept to find the libs-dev you need.
[05:57] <dr_willis> Ya missed it the first time i pasted it eh? :P
[05:58] <MilhousePunkRock> seems like apt-get checked for dependencies... Lot of stuff new to install...
[05:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey abattoir
[05:58] <MilhousePunkRock> I turned off the transparency again, was just too slow... :-/
[05:59] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: as i said, turn off full window transparency and use it only for the windeco... makes it look a bit 'elegant' in my view :)
[06:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Same error, LeeJunFan
[06:00] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[06:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, the transparency of Crystal is pseudo, goes straight to the wallpaper...
[06:01] <dr_willis> pseudo as in Fake. :P
[06:01] <mart> anyone know if "Jonathan Patrick Davies" is on irc? nick?
[06:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, dr_willis
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: ah, the joys of compiling :) you should be able to check the config.log file in your build dir and see what it says it's missing.
[06:01] <dr_willis> Its just showing the wallpaper and changeing it on the fly. :)
[06:01] <dr_willis> Dynamic wallpaper changeing.
[06:02] <dr_willis> Ya wouldent belive the # of aruments/discussions ive seen on 'transparency' under linux.
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: perhaps you need to install also x11proto-core-dev
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: and libx11-dev
[06:04] <Lord_Athur> bye
[06:04] <eshed> is there a way to get to CTRL-ALT-Fx terminals without the keyboard shortcut? :0\
[06:05] <MilhousePunkRock> dr_willis: That's because Linux CAN...
[06:06] <dr_willis> of course the actual "USE" of transparent windows -- is the next big argumnt that always follows.
[06:06] <dr_willis> :)
[06:07] <dr_willis> then ya get into all sorts of gui discussion/debates/philospny.
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> dr_willis: old schooler.
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> dr_willis: :) I often don't even see the USE of windows at all, any of them, transparent or not.
[06:07] <dr_willis> Ya would think after 20+ years of 'research' and  ussage. we would have stuff pretty well figured out by now.
[06:07] <kalinda_99> Back now.. the person I was helping left, I think
[06:07] <dr_willis> LeeJunFan,  i tend to keep everything fullscreen and just alt-tab around.
[06:07] <MilhousePunkRock> Those two are already installed, LeeJunFan
[06:08] <eshed> MilhousePunkRock, it seems i cant use the CTRL-ALT-Fx thing. How can i get to that external terminal without that shortcut?
[06:09] <MilhousePunkRock> Look around on your graphical login screen, there should be an option to leave the window manager, eshed
[06:09] <JavaByte> so i need to unmount delete the fstab in order to remount with the correct umask?
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: hrm, not sure what's missing then. Chances are something other than x includes are missing but the error handling in the configure script isn't telling you the right thing, you may only be able to find out by looking at the config.log file and finding the actual spot where it errors out. Might be something stupid like libjpeg or something.
[06:09] <cga_afk> !rar
[06:09] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[06:09] <MilhousePunkRock> Do you think that it's listed somewhere what I need to compile it? I have compiled stuff before...
[06:10] <eshed> yes i tried that, MilhousePunkRock, but when i tried copying the drivers, when ireturned to the login screen it gave me a black-and-white screen with three terminals for some reason :-\
[06:10] <MilhousePunkRock> That's beyond my (in fact very limited) knowledge then, eshed, sorry...
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: different applications have different dependancies on libraries and include files. Chances are you've just never compiled anything that needs whatever library/include this app wants.
[06:11] <JavaByte> how do you unmount?
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> s/dependancies/dependencies
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> JavaByte: umount /media/hdc3
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> JavaByte: prolly want to prepend sudo to that
[06:11] <JavaByte> umount ??? as if another whole letter would have killed them :P
[06:11] <eshed> well np MilhousePunkRock, you've been great help either way :)
[06:12] <noipmixam> VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: Intel(r) 82945GM Chipset Family Graphics Controller
[06:12] <JavaByte> yeh you need sudo for all this
[06:12] <noipmixam> VESA(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum
[06:12] <eshed> well i gonna try kfce now :) already tried gnome and kde... bbs
[06:13] <noipmixam> any clue about these ?
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> Ah to be a young linux newbie again. I remember the days when I enjoyed trying all the 50 desktop environments.
[06:14] <JavaByte> yup that got it - umount then re- mount with the right mask, now to sort the fstab!
[06:14] <v3ctor> LeeJunFan: yup
[06:14] <noipmixam> yea
[06:14] <noipmixam> the problem is if I had the choice to use either linux or windows ... wouldnt be a prob
[06:14] <MilhousePunkRock> Someone needs to tell eshed that he needs x either way...
[06:14] <noipmixam> but im sorta force to use it
[06:15] <JavaByte> is the 8.16.26 ati driver compatible with kubuntu
[06:16] <MilhousePunkRock> That's what Microsoft WGA did with me, noipmixam... Forced me to use Linux... I don't regret it though...
[06:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Back to that error... What about me posting the config.log on a pastebin and you tell me what's wrong, LeeJunFan? :-)
[06:18] <noipmixam> yea but I cant tell if what im reading is accurate or fake helpfile
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> I can try. I'm cooking up some lunch now, but I'll be back in a couple mins.
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: go ahead and post it.
[06:23] <MilhousePunkRock> LeeJunFan: http://pastebin.ca/98540
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: apparently it failed including crt_externs.h, now to figure out what package includes that.
[06:28] <MilhousePunkRock> That sounds like an external CRT screen... I wouldn't need that anyway...
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: just a sec.
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: install libxt-dev
[06:35] <meik> can sombody help me i seek for an 3d benchmark for linux do some one know a god util
[06:36] <kalinda> 3D benchmark?
[06:36] <meik> yes
[06:36] <kalinda> You mean like... an alternative to DirectX for games?
[06:36] <meik> mor than glxgear
[06:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Done, thx LeeJunFan... BTW, would you recommend removing the packet I am going to "overwrite"?
[06:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Prior to make install that is...
[06:36] <zblach> hi
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: if you look at line 2127 of the pastebin you'll see your error. Then scroll up to line 2073 you'll see the actual error that created the message you got from configure.
[06:36] <meik> DX with linux ?
[06:37] <kalinda> glxgear?
[06:37] <kalinda> uuuh.. lol... anybody know?
[06:37] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: yes, prior to install you should remove the package. you should probably also do ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
[06:37] <kalinda> I know Linux has an alternative to DirectX
[06:37] <meik> jes glide
[06:37] <kalinda> and probly a free alternative to 3D modelling programs
[06:38] <meik> dx is an fuck M$ produckt
[06:38] <kalinda> LOL.. Yeah i know
[06:38] <MilhousePunkRock> Found that, LeeJunFan... But how did you determine what was missing?
[06:39] <kalinda> but I know some stuff about Windows.. so it's easier for me to find Linux alternative to MS products
[06:39] <kalinda> BUT
[06:39] <kalinda> you might try
[06:39] <kalinda> www.linux.org/apps - if it works, it wasnt yesturday
[06:39] <kalinda> damn.. it isnt working for me anymore ><
[06:39] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: the file was present on my system so it was easy to do dpkg-query -S Intrinsic.h and see what package put it there.
[06:40] <MilhousePunkRock> How many years are you on Linux already? :-)
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: I think 11
[06:40] <meik> k i try to find by myself wit google again cya
[06:41] <MilhousePunkRock> I did "apt-get remove kpowersave" now
[06:41] <MilhousePunkRock> But I wonder why it's still running...
[06:42] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: the files are gone from your HD but the program is still running in memory.
[06:42] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: right click the icon in the tasktray and quit it from there.
[06:43] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, I'll configure once again...
[06:43] <MilhousePunkRock> Done...
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock> That prefix was for the target directory?
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock> I got yet another error message...
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock> checking for libz... configure: error: not found.
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock>           Possibly configure picks up an outdated version
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock>           installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.
[06:45] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: yes, the prefix was where it was going to be put. you probably just need to install libz dev
[06:46] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: apt-get install zlib1g-dev
[06:49] <timi> how do i enable universe repositories
[06:51] <kalinda> Oh
[06:51] <Hobbsee> !repos > timi
[06:51] <kalinda> That's easy
[06:51] <kalinda> !repos? is that a console command? lol
[06:52] <buz> no thats a ubotu command
[06:53] <kalinda> ohhh lol
[06:53] <kalinda> timi, are u still waiting for an answer?
[06:53] <kalinda> Are you using Adept?
[06:53] <buz> can someone comment on using widescreen monitors ?
[06:53] <kalinda> or Synaptic?
[06:53] <buz> does that work with all graphics cards?
[06:53] <timi> adept
[06:54] <timi> that thing said edit sources.list which is way above me, i did it once a long time ago with a bunch of help from someone
[06:55] <slim> please help, fresh kubuntu DVD install and i only get 4400 packages in adept... should i just install Synaptic? ps-i seleced twwo additional repos in Adept for univ and multivs :)
[06:56] <buz> slim: did you hit update in adept?
[06:56] <alex____> jion #ubuntu-cn
[06:56] <timi> kalinda you still ther
[06:56] <slim> it seems to update CONSTANTLY very irritating
[06:56] <TeePOG> hi
[06:56] <abattoir> timi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu has specific info
[06:56] <kalinda> timi, yes
[06:56] <kalinda> okay
[06:56] <buz> maybe it's still fetching updates
[06:56] <slim> i clicked apply in repo mgmnt :) buz
[06:57] <TeePOG> how do i get the 3D-enabled ATI drivers to work in Dapper?
[06:57] <kalinda> In Adept, go to... Settings > Manage Repos, I think
[06:57] <buz> ok then after that, click fetch updates
[06:57] <timi> k
[06:57] <slim> i have clicked "fetch updates" buz
[06:57] <slim> :)
[06:57] <kalinda> No, its Adept > Manage Repos
[06:57] <kalinda> but yeah
[06:57] <timi> yeah i found it
[06:57] <buz> and you still only have  4400 packages?
[06:58] <kalinda> Once u do, you're looking at your sources.list file
[06:58] <timi> ok
[06:58] <kalinda> Basically, right click on all the URLs and click enable
[06:58] <timi> ok
[06:58] <kalinda> all the ones you want anyway, you'll probly want mulktiverse for things like Flash and Java
[06:58] <kalinda> once your done,sday Apply
[06:58] <buz> any recommendations?
[06:59] <slim> buz > still waiting :)
[06:59] <kalinda> then go to Fetch Updates and it'll check your sources
[06:59] <kalinda> and hopefully it will all work
[06:59] <buz> slim: what connection you have?
[06:59] <buz> the update can download as much as 3-4mb
[06:59] <slim> buz > i think that did it but waiting for a total
[07:00] <timi> yep
[07:00] <slim> hispeed
[07:00] <timi> kalinda thanks
[07:00] <kalinda> NP
[07:00] <buz> weird really
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> What's the packet name or Qt? LeeJunFan
[07:00] <slim> buz > i sure botched this one thanks, 18832 just like in synaptic :)
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> That's the next he asks for...
[07:00] <kalinda> Also, I suggest you get Synaptic.. because Adept is kind of.. crappy... and it likely won't work for installing Java
[07:00] <buz> ok
[07:01] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: libqt3-mt-dev
[07:01] <buz> synaptic is crappy in its own way
[07:01] <slim> kalinda, i agree... no conflicts ?
[07:01] <buz> no
[07:01] <kalinda> conflicts?
[07:01] <eshed> Anyone knows a good room to get a bit more "professional" help regarding video drivers?
[07:01] <buz> aside of having to install some gnome stuff
[07:01] <draik> Hello everyone
[07:01] <kalinda> actually... if you want to install Synaptic, close Adept, open a Konsole and type apt-get install synaptic
[07:02] <kalinda> erm
[07:02] <MilhousePunkRock> This time it's gonna take a while, 20 MB
[07:02] <kalinda> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[07:02] <buz> you can do it in adept you know ;)
[07:02] <slim> kalinda--- no need to worry about one running over the other one? lol sounds silly in linux probaby
[07:02] <kalinda> hello, draik
[07:02] <buz> i wish ubuntu would use SMART
[07:02] <kalinda> Nope, no need.. I'm doing it just fine
[07:02] <buz> slim: as long as you wont run em at the same time
[07:02] <mariux> is cpuscaling kinda broken on kubuntu?
[07:02] <buz> (which can't work=
[07:02] <kalinda> Adept will still run updates for you, with its updater, but you can use Synaptic for everything
[07:02] <buz> mariux: works for me
[07:02] <slim> buz > smart?
[07:03] <mariux> yes for me to, but only barely
[07:03] <slim> !smart
[07:03] <ubotu> smart is another meta-package manager available for Ubuntu. It's quite stable, uses APT's repositories, can handle mirrors/multiple-connections, and is supposed to make Ubuntu BiArch-compatible for Edgy. See http://labix.org/smart and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager
[07:03] <kalinda> lol.. wow, that's nifty
[07:03] <mariux> ondemand doesnt always seem to behave correctly
[07:03] <slim> nice
[07:03] <slim> buz > how much have you used smart? any concerns? this machine is for my roomates father
[07:04] <timi> im needing to fix my resolution, and i did this before w/ kubuntu but i did a reinstall and got rid of windows completely
[07:04] <buz> slim: not much
[07:04] <buz> for standard use adept is ok
[07:04] <timi> i used the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg
[07:04] <timi> but now it says xserver.xorg is not installed
[07:04] <kalinda> okay
[07:04] <kalinda> whats ur current res?
[07:04] <buz> slim: is that the first time you setup linux for a normal user? i want to do that for my gf's father
[07:04] <timi> 1024x768
[07:05] <timi> i have a widescreen and i need 1440x900
[07:05] <kalinda> Because you should be able to go to System Settings > Display and then go to hardware and make sure your moitor and vid card are selected
[07:05] <dr_willis> !fixres
[07:05] <slim> buz > would still like to have synaptic for him, i have no probs... is this ok ? or any reason that keep it simple should apply here?
[07:05] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:05] <buz> timi: what graphics card you have
[07:05] <toby> I would like to upgrade kubuntu breezy to kubuntu dapper, but I can only find the sources.list for ubuntu, not kubuntu.
[07:05] <kalinda> if not, then pick a generic one.. also make sure to tell it your monitor is 16:9 and not 4:3
[07:05] <timi> integrated i816
[07:05] <toby> Where is the sources.list for kubuntu dapper please?
[07:05] <buz> slim keep it simple for most users
[07:05] <timi> yeah this worked before when i just restarted x
[07:05] <buz> give him adept_installer ;)
[07:05] <timi> err when i reconfigu red it
[07:05] <MilhousePunkRock> LeeJunFan: Now that I put the prefix there, do I have to cd there to do make make install?
[07:06] <slim> buz > second time so far on installing for another > am going to be mainstreaming linux for anyone who is interested :)
[07:06] <dr_willis> !easysource
[07:06] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:06] <kalinda> Changing stuff in the Display requires restarting X
[07:06] <timi> i installed 915resolution and it showed the correct avalable
[07:06] <kalinda> So you got it?
[07:06] <slim> buz > i respect that and thanks again... going to tackle sun java :)
[07:06] <timi> shouldnt this command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> MilhousePunkRock: no, you do the 'make && sudo make install' from the source dir where you run configure
[07:06] <dr_willis> well with the right drivers/setup -  X can change its res on the fly. but it has to be set up correctly to allow it. :)
[07:06] <timi> manually let me set up xserver
[07:06] <dr_willis> xserver.org  - is TOTALLY wrong.
[07:06] <dr_willis> thats not the right name for the package
[07:06] <kalinda> lol.. I'm not sure... I don't know anything about... everything
[07:07] <timi> hmm ok
[07:07] <kalinda> I got my monitor problesm solved through Control Center > Display > Hardware > Picking a generic 1024x768 monitor
[07:07] <dr_willis> !fixres
[07:07] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:07] <timi> it cool
[07:07] <timi> i got it
[07:07] <timi> i had xserver.xorg
[07:07] <timi> its -xorg
[07:07] <dr_willis> :)
[07:07] <dr_willis> that was what i was going to say.
[07:07] <kalinda> Sweet, i'll remember that
[07:08] <toby> ubotu: Thanks - that site seems to only generate ubuntu sources (e.g. deb http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted)
[07:08] <ubotu> I know nothing about Thanks - that site seems to only generate ubuntu sources (e.g. deb http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted) - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:08] <toby> ubotu: what about kubuntu?
[07:08] <ubotu> I know nothing about what about kubuntu? - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:09] <toby> Ah, I see ubotu is a bot!
[07:10] <toby> Can anyone else please advise where to get a dapper kubuntu sources.list for upgrade?
[07:11] <trappist> toby: sudo perl -pi -e 's/breezy/dapper/g' /etc/apt/sources.list should fix you up, but back up your sources.list first
[07:12] <draik> Is anyone having slow connection with the downloads from Adept?
[07:12] <toby> Yes, I tried that to begin with, but when i did an apt-update it barfed on a few unofficial repositories. I do not know which are official and which I have added myself.
[07:13] <eshed> anyone knows a command to display my current screen refresh rate (in terminal inside the gui)
[07:13] <toby> I would love a fresh clean sources.list but cannot find one anywhere which isn't ubuntu-specific
[07:13] <pussfeller> man wahts the keystroke to make the file menu appear again in kopete chat window???
[07:14] <mariux> ctrl m?
[07:14] <pussfeller> thats it thanks :)
[07:16] <timi> you know when you click on a link in this think it like loads then opens
[07:16] <timi> how do you make it just open the link in firefox, or is that some kind of security feature
[07:17] <draik> timi...
[07:17] <draik> I just changed that in my options
[07:17] <timi> draik
[07:18] <timi> just send me everything
[07:18] <timi> cuz i cant send it back im unregistered i gues
[07:18] <toby> Is it safe to use the ubuntu sources.list to upgrade my kubuntu to dapper? Perhaps that's why I can't find a Kubuntu-specific one.
[07:18] <wolfpaw> hiho
[07:18] <eshed> can anyone help me with this? http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotjl3.png
[07:19] <draik> Click on Settings.... Configure Konversation... Under Behavior option... General subtopic... Miscellaneous box... Check box for "Use custom Web Browser"
[07:19] <rr72> LeeJunFan~ around?
[07:19] <draik> should be set to firefox as default... that's what I had/have
[07:19] <draik> timi let me know if that works for you
[07:20] <toby> ubotu:
[07:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about ubotu: - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:21] <timi> worked
[07:21] <timi> thanks
[07:21] <draik> you're welcome timi
[07:22] <timi> draik
[07:22] <timi> it opens in firefox
[07:23] <timi> but it has file//home/me/ in front of the url
[07:23] <MilhousePunkRock> LeeJunFan: It gives me yet another error:
[07:23] <MilhousePunkRock> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[07:23] <MilhousePunkRock> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[07:23] <MilhousePunkRock> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[07:23] <timi> then it cant find the website, why is this
[07:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Sorry for the flood btw
[07:24] <draik> timi, clean it up. keep only the URL part... and also the apostrophe at the end of the address
[07:25] <timi> under konversation setting write
[07:25] <timi> right*
[07:26] <draik> timi, just go back to where you have your settings for firefox and be sure it ONLY SAYS 'FIREFOX'
[07:26] <draik> remove the rest of the commands after it
[07:26] <draik> **commands -> options**
[07:27] <timi> ok
[07:27] <draik> timi did it work?
[07:27] <timi> about to check
[07:27] <timi> yep
[07:27] <timi> thanks
[07:27] <draik> perfect... you're welcome
[07:28] <MilhousePunkRock> Still there LeeJunFan?
[07:29] <rocketman768> so, upgraded from breezy to dapper via apt-get. The system now "fails" when trying to start up pcmcia services. The fix posted on the wiki does nothing. What is wrong?
[07:29] <rr72> Mon Jul 24 12:29:29 CDT 2006
[07:29] <rr72> *afternooon
[07:31] <draik> *morning
[07:32] <slim> i must dash, gl evry1 and God bless you
[07:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Good evening gatekeeper... It's evening here too... :-)
[07:33] <rocketman768> pcmcia anyone?
[07:33] <gatekeeper> MilhousePunkRock, how are you doing?
[07:33] <dr_willis> wowsers... AMD is buying out ATI. :()
[07:34] <MilhousePunkRock> I could do better, if I could complie KPowersave, but thx for asking gatekeeper
[07:35] <gatekeeper> dr_willis, is that good, bad or indifferent for linux users, what do you reckon?
[07:35] <rr72> dr_willis~ SUP!!!!?!?!?!?!
[07:35] <gatekeeper> MilhousePunkRock, what problems are you having with it?
[07:36] <dr_willis> gatekeeper,  no idea.. it means that ATI may actually start supporting Linux better.
[07:36] <dr_willis> We can always hope
[07:36] <MilhousePunkRock> That's not too good for gamers, I suppose... Since AMD are _the_ game CPUs, but ATI aren't the vid cards of choice...
[07:36] <timi> anyone know how i can get the wifi connected at startup
[07:36] <rr72> gatekeeper~ care to ask me how im doing?
[07:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Have had various problems with missing libs, now finally this --> http://pastebin.ca/98617
[07:36] <dr_willis> Ive given up on the 'for gamers' mentality. :P
[07:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Yes, timi
[07:36] <gatekeeper> dr_willis, if you are right then that is good, presumable couldn't get worse
[07:36] <rr72> LeeJunFan~ my plan of attack is to get rid of all nvidia and install by hand
[07:36] <dr_willis> I stick the the midstream systems and  buy games when they are in the bargin bins.
[07:37] <dr_willis> gatekeeper,  :P yep.. will be interesting.
[07:37] <timi> aight millhouse you gotta link, or are you the man
[07:37] <dr_willis> ATI does a Lot of things ya dont hear about as well.
[07:37] <MilhousePunkRock> just add auto to your /etc/network/interfaces
[07:37] <dr_willis> They aint just a 'video card' company.
[07:37] <gatekeeper> rr72, ok how are you doing? (knows this is a leading question :-) )
[07:37] <timi> jeez im very new to this
[07:37] <timi> how do i do that
[07:37] <rr72> lets see i just got back from a cruise in hawaii and i found out that kdm is giving me signal 11 :(
[07:38] <MilhousePunkRock> You know how to open a console, do you, timi?
[07:38] <rr72> other then the 9 hour plane ride and jet lag im not too bad
[07:38] <timi> yeah
[07:38] <MilhousePunkRock> then type "sudo kate /etc/network/interfaces"
[07:38] <rr72> lol just use vi
[07:39] <gatekeeper> rr72, pay back for not takng your linux box with you :-)
[07:39] <rr72> or nano
[07:39] <rr72> gate on a cruise?
[07:39] <timi> ok yeah iit opned kate
[07:39] <timi> auto wlan0 is on
[07:39] <timi> i was wondering how i could make it auto connect
[07:39] <timi> like the wireless assisstant
[07:39] <MilhousePunkRock> Oh... Does it seem to connect but fails to get DHCP?
[07:39] <rr72> if its major editing i used to use kate but if it is a few lines i just use vi but now its all vi since kdm is sig11
[07:40] <tommy2k4> what do i need to do to be able to login again after formatting /home
[07:40] <tommy2k4> it says kstartupconfig could not start
[07:40] <angie> hello
[07:40] <tommy2k4> failsafe session gives a few dcopserver errors then shows me a konsole
[07:40] <timi> no i have to open wireless assistant and then connect to my home wireless network
[07:40] <MilhousePunkRock> you could try adding "pre-up sleep 5" to the bottom of your wlan0 section, timi
[07:40] <angie> does anyone know i can get into ukchat
[07:41] <timi> i was just wondering it could just autojoin the first network like windows does
[07:41] <MilhousePunkRock> auto did the job for me... Maybe the DHCP stuff is too fast...
[07:41] <timi> ok
[07:41] <timi> welll its no biggie
[07:41] <timi> i was just wondering
[07:41] <angie> can any1 even see this
[07:42] <MilhousePunkRock> there is no # in front of auto... is it?
[07:42] <MilhousePunkRock> What's ukchat, angie?
[07:42] <angie> its a chroom  site
[07:42] <rr72> if u change it u need to safe the file and change the run level
[07:43] <MilhousePunkRock> what's a chroom site? I know chrome, but what's chroom?
[07:43] <angie> but i think i need java and i dont know how
[07:43] <gatekeeper> tommy2k4, may be try reinstalling kde desktop
[07:43] <tommy2k4> what package name
[07:43] <angie> ukchat
[07:44] <MilhousePunkRock> try looking for java in adept maybe, angie?
[07:45] <angie> i know i might seem a bit blonde here but could you tell me how to do that im sorry
[07:45] <gatekeeper> tommy2k4, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_KDE
[07:46] <tommy2k4> is there a CLI irc client lol
[07:46] <tchough> hey, has anyone been having problems with not being able to start ksysguardd because of permissions on /var/run/?
[07:47] <angie> lol
[07:47] <trappist> tommy2k4: irssi and BitchX... and xchat-text
[07:47] <trappist> tommy2k4: I use irssi
[07:47] <tommy2k4> k
[07:47] <tommy2k4> brb
[07:47] <angie> im lost now is there a link for it
[07:48] <dr_willis> sirc :)
[07:48] <aliasfred> ircII :)
[07:48] <dr_willis> ircii :)
[07:48] <dr_willis> the good old days
[07:48] <dr_willis> i rember when it was 'irc'  not ircii
[07:48] <johan_> Hi room
[07:49] <trappist> channel.
[07:49] <KDEfanboy> heh
[07:50] <johan_> Can someone help me? I just installed Kubuntu 6.06, but I can't find the drivers for my printer, a canon Pixma IP2200, Can someone help?
[07:51] <draik> johan_, have you tried on their website?
[07:51] <dr_willis> johan_,  I got a Canon Pixma ip6600 - and guess what.. canon wont release specs for it.. check cups.org for details - that printer may NOT be supported at all.
[07:52] <trappist> johan_: it's supported by turboprint: http://www.turboprint.info/
[07:52] <timi> how do i get flash player in firefox
[07:52] <trappist> note: turboprint is not free
[07:52] <johan_> Dr_Willis: Thx for the info, It's to bad.... :(
[07:52] <dr_willis> http://www.google.com/search?q=+Pixma+IP2200+linux&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[07:52] <dr_willis> several forums about that printer.
[07:53] <draik> timi
[07:53] <timi> i tried sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla but it dint work
[07:53] <dr_willis> I dont think turboprinmt supports my 6600 :()
[07:53] <timi> im listening
[07:53] <draik> Go to this link... one sec...
[07:53] <serialzkiller> lol everything is for free on the net you just have 2 look closer
[07:53] <dr_willis> What proberly will happen is that in a year or so - the driver will move out of the 'turboprint' and into the normal CUPS drivers.
[07:54] <trappist> dr_willis: it supports other 6000 series printers, so it may work, but it's not specifically supported
[07:54] <dr_willis> http://software.canon-europe.com/software/canon_print_filter_for_linuxs24301.asp?model=
[07:54] <dr_willis> mentiosn that printer
[07:54] <draik> http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[07:54] <dr_willis> so you may be in luck.
[07:54] <gatekeeper> timi, this works because this is what i did: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Flash_Player_.28Macromedia_Flash.29_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[07:54] <draik> Click on that and you will get the source that you will need
[07:54] <dr_willis> work time for me.. byeee
[07:54] <timi> k
[07:56] <timi> gatekeeper
[07:56] <timi> i enabled multiverse and universe and i still cant apt-get that?
[07:56] <timi> is there somother repository i need to enable
[07:56] <Mnabil> hello , how can change the screen resoultion in KDE ?!
[07:57] <Hawkwind> !screenres
[07:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about screenres - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:57] <Hawkwind> !res
[07:57] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:01] <rocketman768> Mnabil, you need to edit your xorg.conf file. Search for it on google.
[08:06] <Ace2005> Hi all
[08:06] <charlie5> to make more swap space, do i just create a new swap partition anywhere on hardrive and kubu will pick it up and start using it ?
[08:06] <charlie5> hi Ace2005 :)
[08:07] <Ace2005> charlie5: hi
[08:07] <aliasfred> charlie5: you need to explicitly tell ubuntu to do it
[08:08] <ChefWill> !swapsaq
[08:08] <ubotu> I know nothing about swapsaq - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:08] <ChefWill> er
[08:08] <ChefWill> !swapfaq
[08:08] <ubotu> I know nothing about swapfaq - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:08] <ChefWill> charlie5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[08:08] <admiral_proFTW> is there a way to password protect one folder
[08:08] <aliasfred> :))
[08:08] <admiral_proFTW> (pron joke here)
[08:08] <ChefWill> charlie5: see step 6
[08:08] <charlie5> aliasfred: ah, ok, thamks ... i've just found section in systems settings for it i think
[08:08] <Ace2005> Does anyone know what i can use to make swf files for splashy apart from Macromedia Flash which i don't have
[08:09] <aliasfred> charlie5: the link from ChefWill were for you
[08:09] <charlie5> ChefWill: thanks ... that will probably answer my next few q's :)
[08:10] <aliasfred> !SwapFaq
[08:10] <ubotu> I know nothing about SwapFaq - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:10] <aliasfred> ok i dont get it :)
[08:10] <Ace2005> oh and i now also want to knwo how to password protect a folder too
[08:12] <rr72> Ace2005~ just change the permissions so that only the owner can veiw and modify
[08:12] <paxman> hi, does anybody now if you can install freevo on kubuntu LTS
[08:13] <Tommy2k4> how can i login to kde again after formatting /home
[08:13] <galorin> paxman, I don't know about freevo, but I've used kubuntu as the base for Mythtv
[08:13] <Tommy2k4> im in failsafe mode now
[08:14] <Tommy2k4> kde session gives error saying kstartupconfig cannt be started
[08:14] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: recreate the users
[08:14] <paxman> galorin, is there a package ? or from source ?
[08:14] <Tommy2k4> how?
[08:14] <secleinteer> hey, does any1 know how to make app buttons in the taskbar automatically open apps in maximize mode instead of restore mode?
[08:15] <timi> wht does it mean when it says it cant find a package you know exists
[08:15] <galorin> paxman, there is a package, but firewire is broken, and it's an older version in tre repos.  I can give you a link to a good site for setting up Mythtv if you like
[08:15] <Tommy2k4> timi u need to enable the proper repos
[08:15] <Ace2005> timi: it means you could be wrong or you're searching using the wrong name
[08:16] <paxman> yes if u can
[08:16] <timi> ive enabled every repository
[08:16] <Tommy2k4> how do i recreate the users after reformatting /home
[08:16] <Tommy2k4> timi try !info packagename in this channel
[08:16] <timi> im trying to get flash, and acrode at stuff
[08:16] <Shinzetsu> Ive got a Minimize Window-thingy stuck on my screen
[08:16] <Ace2005> timi: tried automatix?
[08:17] <timi> no
[08:17] <Shinzetsu> text bubble
[08:17] <Ace2005> or easyubuntu?
[08:17] <timi> is it better to use automatix
[08:17] <timi> isntead of doing it manually
[08:18] <Ace2005> timi: i just found it easier to tick some boxes and watch it do the work
[08:18] <galorin> paxman, one moment.  This is the one I used:  http://www.abarbaccia.com/   Oh, have you got TV tuner card in your box?
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> automatix often breaks things - doing it manually is best
[08:18] <timi> well i installed firefox and 915resolution adn gimp using apt-get
[08:19] <timi> ive enabled multiverse and universe
[08:19] <galorin> Oh, if you decide to go with Mythtv, head on over to #mythtv-users.. as #mythtv is a dev-only room.
[08:19] <timi> wht else is ther to enable, im doing it exactly the way ubuntu guide is telling me too
[08:19] <paxman> there is one - not sure if its picked up though - but will look at site - thanks
[08:19] <galorin> paxman, which card is it?
[08:20] <paxman> flyvideo 3000
[08:20] <paxman> galorin, do u know of any other software simillar to freevo ?
[08:21] <galorin> paxman, never heard of it.. I guess the most important thing is the chipset.
[08:21] <galorin> paxman, just a moment on thaat one..
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> timi: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree mozilla-acroread
[08:23] <Ace2005> timi: "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" should work
[08:23] <timi> cant find the package
[08:23] <timi> do i need upgrade first
[08:23] <timi> i have all the respositories enabled
[08:24] <galorin> paxman, there were others, but a quick google, and it looks like most of the other Linux PVR alternatives aren't in active development anymore.
[08:24] <Tommy2k4> how can i login to kde again after formatting /home
[08:25] <cotroler> i have kubuntu 5.10 can I update to version 6.06 ?
[08:25] <paxman> galorin, thanks - i'll try setup from source ( freevo ) but it looks daunting .. good site on mythtv
[08:27] <cotroler> I am using Kubuntu 5.10 (amd64) how do I update to the newly released version 6.06 ?
[08:28] <gnomefreak> !upgrade
[08:28] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[08:28] <galorin> paxman, when my in-law wanted a PVR I looked at both, and Myth seemed to be more mature, and offered what he wanted.. you might have different requirements though.
[08:28] <cotroler> tnx gnomefreak
[08:28] <gnomefreak> yw
[08:29] <Ace2005> I just realised i have a problem with flash, konqueror and firefox have different versions, konqueror and opera: 7.0.63.0 firefox: 7.0.25.0
[08:30] <Ace2005> how do i get firefox to use the new one
[08:36] <timi> you know how ubuntu has a desktop hide button
[08:36] <timi> does kubuntu have a desktop hide button
[08:37] <timi> so you can clear everything thats on the desktop
[08:38] <paxman> galorin, can mythtv play mp3 and dvds ?
[08:38] <galorin> timi, yes, it does.
[08:38] <galorin> paxman, yes, it can.
[08:38] <RobMongoose> timi - right click your menu panel and click add applet to panel - the butoon you're after should be in there
[08:38] <paxman> galorin, oh ok - i thought mythtv was only for TV
[08:38] <galorin> paxman, for both you need the appropriate libraries first.
[08:39] <galorin> paxman, nope, mythtv also has frontends for web, weather, video library, photo library... umm, MAME and other console emulators.. loads of stuff.
[08:41] <paxman> galorin, so its basically same then - i had read blog somewhere that was probably misleading - what did u setup for control - remote ?
[08:42] <galorin> paxman, wireless keyboard (nifty laptop-like thing with touchpad for a mouse) and a remote.
[08:42] <galorin> paxman, blogs aren't the most reliable sources...
[08:43] <Ademan> is there a program that will verify a cd's integrity (like, compare it to an iso?) other than k3b?
[08:43] <galorin> used the ATI remote wonder, the earlier version of the remote, that was just a keyboard extension, no worries about LIRC
[08:43] <paxman> galorin, i know but from name - i also assumed its more just tv recording
[08:43] <timi> what are the security repositories good for
[08:44] <uniq> timi: not by default, but you can add it yourself. right click on the panel and add panel program.. find it in the list.
[08:44] <uniq> timi: security updates.
[08:44] <timi> thansk igot it
[08:44] <galorin> paxman, tv recording is what it does best, and how it started, but as it's grown, they folded stuff in.
[08:44] <timi> ok so i should enable them then right
[08:44] <uniq> yes.
[08:44] <timi> ok
[08:44] <Tommy2k4> i cant login after i reformatted /home it says xstartupconfig could not be started
[08:44] <Tommy2k4> what do i need to od
[08:45] <galorin> Tommy2k4, does each user have their own directory in /home?
[08:45] <Tommy2k4> only 1 user and i used mkdir to make the directory which may of been abad idea?
[08:46] <paxman> galorin, thanks i'll give it a try, freevo looks a bit to hard to install and there does not seem to be too much info on web - unless u use debian and not in the mood for that
[08:46] <uniq> tommy2k4: does the user own the directory you created? or does root own it?
[08:46] <Tommy2k4> how do i check from konsole
[08:46] <uniq> tommy2k4: 'ls -lah /home'
[08:46] <admiral_proFTW> cd /home
[08:46] <admiral_proFTW> dir
[08:47] <galorin> paxman, most of the stuff for Deb will work for kubuntu.. to some extent.
[08:47] <Tommy2k4> owned by root
[08:47] <galorin> paxman, neither is a walk in the park, but mythtv is fairly straightforward.
[08:48] <uniq> tommy2k4: then chown it to your user. 'sudo chown username.username -R /home/userdir'
[08:48] <timi> you know in windows wnen you hit cntrl+alt+delete and the process manager or w/e comes up, whts the kde equivalent of that and how do you get to it
[08:48] <||Trayer||> !ati
[08:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:48] <paxman> galorin, ya but its got some issues with python version and has a million depencies - and i couldn't find a package they all seem like older versions
[08:48] <uniq> timi: ctrl+esc
[08:48] <galorin> paxman, Ah, I see.. that could slow things down a bit LOL.
[08:48] <Tommy2k4> ty uniq time to test
[08:49] <admiral_proFTW> timi, i think you can also edit the command from the K menu
[08:49] <admiral_proFTW> or rather, the shortcut
[08:49] <Tommy2k4> ty uniq time to test
[08:49] <paxman> galrin, they should be releasing freevo version 2 sometime soon, so i'll try mythtv for now.
[08:51] <galorin> paxman, All things considered, freevo would still give you python headaches if they insist on building against latest & greatest.
[08:51] <tommy> ty uniq :D
[08:52] <GBoS> <3
[08:52] <tommy> <3
[08:53] <navin> hi there folks!!
[08:53] <navin> anyone's tried SGL on Kubuntu?
[08:55] <Ace2005> nope sgl isn't out yet, i don't think the devs have started on that yet
[08:55] <paxman> galorin, if mythtv works - i'll keep it - had enough of python for a while ..
[08:55] <galorin> paxman, follow the link I gave you, and you should be fine.. and don't be afraid to hit #mythtv-users and google.
[08:57] <paxman> galorin, sorry - what is Monolith Media Center about ? is that prepacked deal or something ?
[08:58] <galorin> paxman, yep.  you buy a pre-built box, with Myth pre-installed.  If I ever have to set up a mythbox for a paying client, I'm ordering one of them.
[08:58] <galorin> saves my hassle.
[08:59] <paxman> galorin, LOL how long it take to setup ?
[09:00] <Desh> Hi, I have an nforce3 motherboard, but I would like to know the socket it uses, or at least the exact version so I can look that up. How would I do this on Kubuntu?
[09:00] <galorin> paxman, a couple hours, compiling, installing, and editing configs.  Then a couple months making it work right for my perfectionist brother-in-law that no electronic device has ever worked for.
[09:01] <galorin> I had his mythtv box running for 2 weeks solid, under heavy use before I gave it to him.  He crashed it within an hour.
[09:02] <galorin> and I mean 2 weeks without so much as a ctl+alt+backspace
[09:02] <paxman> galorin, LOL well this ones for me - want to show friend who just bought MS media center setup - cost him a fortune
[09:02] <navin> oops!!! i meant XGL
[09:02] <navin> anyone's tried XGL yet?
[09:02] <navin> on Kubuntu?
[09:03] <navin> could someone direct me to the appropiate how-to?
[09:03] <Tommy2k4> !xgl
[09:03] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:04] <galorin> paxman, I'm thinking of grabbing a tv tuner card myself and dropping it in my server.  Just to show him that it does work without problems
[09:04] <navin> Thanks a lot Ubotu!!
[09:05] <timi> how do i edit my xmodmap
[09:05] <timi> sudo kate xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
[09:06] <paxman> galorin, maybe make a setup ( mythtv ) in virtual pc - xen ?
[09:06] <timi> is that what  i do, im trying assign some extra buttons
[09:07] <Hawkwind> timi: kdesu kwrite <file>
[09:07] <galorin> I'm not sure how xen would handle the PCI interrupts, since it needs to pull a lot of data off the tuner card... Maybe ask in #mythtv-users.  I've been meaning to try xen for a while...
[09:07] <Hawkwind> Replace kwrite with your favorite editor, and <file> with the name of the file you want to edit
[09:09] <eshed>  i can't install SiS650 graphics driver for linux ... nothing works D: i found the driver and tried more drivers, but nothing works...!
[09:10] <paxman> galorin, ya might be tick with tv card but the rest should work - tried xen on SUSE havn't tried on ubuntu yet - on amd64 dual
[09:10] <timi> wht is ksplash
[09:10] <galorin> paxman, nice.  If xen works, with that much horsepower, if you've got some spare low-end comps, look into LTSP as well.
[09:10] <timi> !ksplash
[09:10] <ubotu> I know nothing about ksplash - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:11] <kOpter> Yello :) I've got a question: How can I change the font of the firefox toolbar?
[09:11] <kOpter> It's not changing when I change my KDE settings
[09:11] <Hawkwind> kOpter: There is an option to change GTK fonts or use QT style fonts where GTK is or something in kcontrol
[09:11] <paxman> galorin, but was dissapointed coz i found out my cpu couldn't support proper virtuliztion and i thought it could - its a socket 939 and not AM2
[09:12] <Hawkwind> kOpter: kcontrol -> Appearance & Themes -> GTK styles & fonts
[09:12] <galorin> paxman, ah... As I said, I've thought about trying out xen, but haven't yet.. plus no cause to need it as yet
[09:13] <kOpter> Hawkwind : Why is it always that simple :)?
[09:13] <Hawkwind> kOpter: Heh
[09:14] <kOpter> Hawkwind : Now to get me tahoma :)
[09:14] <Ace2005> has anyone here tried to compile firefox with qt?
[09:15] <galorin> paxman, and here I am, not able to remember what socket my mobo uses...
[09:15] <kOpter> No! The ubuntuforums are down :(
[09:16] <kOpter> Thank god for google cache :)
[09:16] <timi> can somone help me get pdf flash etc, i ve addd everypossible repositiory, updated, upgraded, and i still cant apt-get like the wiki says i should be able to
[09:17] <paxman> galorin, well i found out the hard way - coz when i was buying chip thought it would support .. for xen..
[09:17] <kOpter> timi > Did you do an apt-get update ?
[09:17] <timi> i did an upgrade?
[09:17] <timi> im updating now
[09:18] <kOpter> Well if you set new repositories to your sources, you need to get a list of what's in them.. you do that by updating
[09:18] <timi> ok
[09:18] <galorin> paxman, ouch.. that's gotta hurt the wallet a bit...  Next time my motherboard dies, I'll have to look at an AM2 board.  I've got one of the earlier boards, don't think it'll even take dual-core chips.
[09:18] <kOpter> timi > If you have enabled the right repositories, it should then be able to find flash
[09:19] <kOpter> timi > You're looking for flashplugin-nonfree
[09:19] <timi> yeah i enabled multiverse and universe
[09:19] <timi> yes
[09:19] <timi> it showing the repositories in the update and they are enabled in adept
[09:20] <timi> i was able to apt get firefox and 915resolution no problem, and gimp
[09:21] <timi> cant find the package
[09:22] <draik_> navin I tried XGL
[09:22] <kOpter> timi > Open a konsole and type: apt-cache search flashplugin
[09:22] <draik_> Complications so I deleted it and kept it simple with KDE
[09:23] <paxman> galorin, ya but i needed a new computer anyway was getting a dual anyway - so thought i could look at xen aswell - no real need just out of intrest
[09:24] <Ace2005> timi: Go here and get the deb and install it http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/
[09:24] <Ace2005> timi: get  flashplugin-nonfree_7.0.63.5_i386.deb
[09:24] <kOpter> Acre2005 : Why use the deb When it's in multiverse?
[09:25] <timi> hey i found something in adept
[09:25] <bobbyyu> I have a problem with my Kubuntu Dapper
[09:25] <bobbyyu> I mean Adept
[09:25] <timi> libflash-mozplugin
[09:25] <timi> is that it
[09:25] <timi> maybe
[09:25] <admiral_proFTW> bobbyyu, what is it?
[09:26] <kOpter> timi > I think you haven't enabled multiverse or you haven't updated..
[09:26] <draik> I have a bit of a printer sharing issue
[09:26] <bobbyyu> When it installs, it keeps saying "There was an error commiting changes. There was probably a problem downloading some packages or else the commit would break packages."
[09:26] <draik> I was sharing my printer from my laptop to my dekstop...
[09:26] <timi> ive def. done both
[09:27] <timi>  just installed libflash-mozplugin
[09:27] <timi> im going to see if it works
[09:27] <draik> and my desktop was on windoze
[09:27] <kOpter> timi > Can you run a: sudo apt-get update ?
[09:27] <draik> now I dual boot Kubuntu with windoze
[09:27] <draik> Anyone know how to get Kubuntu to share the printer?
[09:27] <kOpter> timi > Just to be sure :) Does it say dapper/multiversie there?
[09:27] <timi> yeah i already did
[09:28] <timi> and it did say that
[09:28] <draik> Oh, and Kubuntu has the drivers installed for using the Printer
[09:28] <admiral_proFTW> !print
[09:28] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:28] <kOpter> timi> And the apt-get search flashplugin still gives you nothing?
[09:28] <admiral_proFTW> draik, something like that?
[09:28] <draik> Thank you admiral_proFTW
[09:28] <draik> That's what I was looking for
[09:28] <timi> yeah nothing
[09:28] <kOpter> !chuck
[09:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about chuck - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:28] <timi> apt get search?
[09:28] <timi> like in console
[09:29] <timi> or just search in adept
[09:29] <admiral_proFTW> dammit, apt-get is being silly
[09:29] <kOpter> Yep
[09:29] <sensei> Norris <3
[09:29] <admiral_proFTW> i do a sudo apt-get update
[09:29] <admiral_proFTW> and it returns some hits
[09:29] <admiral_proFTW> and got stuck on some headers
[09:29] <bobbyyu> Has anybody gotten the same error as I did?
[09:29] <galorin> paxman, I've been toying with vmware-player, and I keep DamnSmallLinux tucked away, and bring that up in qemu on occasion.
[09:29] <timi> search is an invalid command
[09:30] <admiral_proFTW> bobbyyu, i dunno, I never had that happen
[09:30] <kOpter> timi> Sorry apt-cache search flashplugin
[09:30] <draik> THANK YOU admiral_proFTW!!! THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!!! PERFECT!!!
[09:30] <markc_> is it possible that the current offline issue with some ubuntu servers is releated to this issue ? -> http://lwn.net/Articles/191417/
[09:30] <admiral_proFTW> draik, awesome
[09:31] <timi> nothing happens
[09:31] <admiral_proFTW> btw, when you have a problem, you can do a ![something]  and one of the bots can help
[09:31] <admiral_proFTW> !samba
[09:31] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:31] <admiral_proFTW> draik, like that
[09:32] <kOpter> ~chuck
[09:32] <bobbyyu> Adept is full of problems!
[09:34] <kOpter> !defoma-font
[09:34] <ubotu> I know nothing about defoma-font - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:34] <kOpter> !defoma
[09:34] <ubotu> I know nothing about defoma - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:35] <draik> admiral_proFTW > Yup. That will definitely work for me. Thank you for your help... Cross your nodes and hope it works
[09:36] <timi> kOpter this is wht i get
[09:36] <timi> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Packages
[09:36] <timi> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/multiverse Packages
[09:36] <Ace2005> timi: why don't you just get it from here, its the same thing the repos give you: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/
[09:36] <kOpter> Ace2005 > No, becaus then he will not get automatic updates
[09:36] <kOpter> timi > You're using the backports.. why?
[09:37] <timi> im wht
[09:37] <paxman> galorin, i installed debian today ( first time ) to try freevo - its amazing how far ubuntu has come in such a short time
[09:37] <timi> i just copied text from konsonle
[09:37] <Ace2005> kOpter: with the frequencey of the flash updates that wouldn't be such a concern
[09:37] <kOpter> timi > You are searching trough the dapper-backports packages
[09:37] <timi> that was from update
[09:37] <timi> apt-get update
[09:37] <timi> what line should i be looking of for again
[09:37] <rocketman768> anybody, where can i get a deb package for mkinitrd?
[09:38] <kOpter> timi > I understand.. is there a line there that reads http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
[09:38] <timi> no
[09:38] <kOpter> timi > You need that :)
[09:38] <timi> alright how do i add that
[09:38] <galorin> paxman, I'm running debian on my webserver.  This is my first foray into (k)ubuntu.  Been a Slacker for the past 3 years
[09:38] <markc_> rocketman768: dpkg -S mkinitrd
[09:38] <kOpter> timi > Do you know hoe to change repositories in Adept?
[09:38] <timi> yes
[09:39] <kOpter> timi > Okay, just remove al the -backports :)
[09:39] <kOpter> timi > Then update.. and then look for the flashplugin
[09:39] <timi> ok
[09:39] <rocketman768> markc_: thanks
[09:39] <kOpter> Ace2005> Yes I understand that.. but would timi?
[09:40] <markc_> rocketman768: or apt-cache search mkinitrd if you don't think it's already onboard
[09:40] <galorin> paxman, before that, Mandrake.
[09:40] <timi> i still havent enbaled anything called multiverse
[09:40] <timi> do i need to edit the universe line to have it read universe multiverse
[09:41] <kOpter> timi > It has to say dapper universe multiverse
[09:41] <timi> ok mine just said universe
[09:41] <timi> so i just need to edit that line
[09:41] <timi> i assume
[09:41] <kOpter> timi > Yeah.. i'll double check for you..
[09:42] <Ace2005> timi:  how about you just get a new sources list http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:42] <markc_> fwiw this is a good alias for checking locally installed deb packages -> alias lsd='dpkg --get-selections | awk "{print \$1}" | sort | grep'
[09:42] <Chousuke> lsd. :D
[09:42] <markc_> list debs
[09:42] <kOpter> timi > universe multiverse should work
[09:43] <markc_> lsd . (to show all installed debs)
[09:43] <kOpter> timi > Then fetch updates
[09:43] <paxman> galorin, debbian must be good but i didn't have time to start configuring everything - starting at network card - on kubuntu using wireless with no problem
[09:43] <kOpter> timi > Then search: flashplugin
[09:44] <timi> ok
[09:44] <galorin> paxman, ubuntu did set up pretty quick, but Deb was no bother for me, started with a netinstall and built up what I needed.  Very trim machine that needs a bit more RAM.. again.
[09:45] <timi> ahah thank you
[09:45] <kOpter> timi > You're welcome :)
[09:46] <paxman> galorin, i must try play a bit more with debian -
[09:46] <kOpter> timi > Sources are allways tricky for a beginner :)
[09:46] <rocketman768> markc_: the mkinitrd is in /etc/mkinitrd, but the actual script is not there...weird, why would the mkinitrd.conf still be there?
[09:46] <kOpter> timi > You should now be able to find almost everything you want in Adept
[09:46] <galorin> paxman, then again, my webserver is a 300MHz box with 128 meg of RAM, and sad to say.. doesn't host any sites that get more than 10 hits a WEEK!
[09:47] <paxman> galorin, what webserver - apache
[09:48] <galorin> paxman, yep.
[09:48] <galorin> just because I was already familiar with setting it up, virtual hosts, etc.
[09:49] <paxman> galorin, have u looked at ruby on rails ?
[09:49] <draik> admiral_proFTW > I got a bit of a hiccup here...
[09:49] <paxman> can run on apache i think
[09:50] <galorin> paxman, nope.  Heard of it, yes but not done anything with it.  My pages are all XhTML+CSS, nothing fancy.
[09:51] <paxman> galorin, started looking at it - looks good - but then got side tracked - started learning lisp - now sidetracked again looking at mythtv
[09:52] <galorin> paxman, I know the feeling.  I'm currently playing around with vmware-player and keeping a toddler entertained.
[09:53] <galorin> Uh oh, Silent Witness is starting soon, gtg
[09:53] <rocketman768> where is mkinitrd in kubuntu?
[09:53] <crimsun> rocketman768: you want mkinitramfs instead.
[09:53] <Ace2005> help $qtdir shows nothing
[09:53] <Ace2005> even though i'm running kde now
[09:54] <rocketman768> crimsun: why is that?
[09:55] <uniq> rocketman768: don't you want 'update-initramfs'?
[09:57] <rocketman768> uniq: I am just trying to get some sort of initial ramdisk so i can actually boot linux on my new kernel. i don't know what i need
[09:58] <raetsel99> rocketman I think you want mkinitrd
[09:59] <crimsun> rocketman768: are you using dapper?
[09:59] <rocketman768> crimsu: yes, just upgraded
[10:00] <crimsun> rocketman768: then you want mkinitramfs
[10:00] <crimsun> (or update-initramfs)
[10:00] <crimsun> we no longer use mkinitrd
[10:00] <markc_> rocketman768: initramfs-tools  then look at /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf
[10:00] <rocketman768> crimsun: ok, thanks for letting me know
[10:00] <raetsel99> do we not, crimsun? :o)
[10:00] <timi> alright so i got flash player in mozilla, but there is no audio?
[10:01] <sponix> timi:  turn on your volume ? :p
[10:01] <timi> no
[10:01] <raetsel99> you have sounds working in general, timi?
[10:01] <crimsun> raetsel99: no, we don't.
[10:01] <timi> yes
[10:01] <timi> lemme check on something
[10:02] <Agios> adjust your mixer settings
[10:02] <raetsel99> ok, crimsun.  Why's that then?
[10:02] <crimsun> raetsel99: because we initramfs
[10:02] <timi> yes i have sound
[10:02] <raetsel99> ok
[10:02] <crimsun> we use, rather
[10:05] <timi> any ideas as to why i have no soudn on flash player
[10:05] <draik> Anyone here know how to configure a network to share a USB printer on Kubuntu with a WinXP laptop (same router)?
[10:05] <timi> also a .ogg file isnt playing on amarok, this is the examples sax file that came with kubuntu when i installed it
[10:05] <crimsun> it's probably due to flash being hardcoded to use esd
[10:05] <raetsel99> This might help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1084235
[10:06] <raetsel99> what do you have in system-settings-Sound-Hardware for the Audio device? Is it automatic?
[10:07] <timi> where do i go to find that?
[10:07] <timi> k control?
[10:07] <raetsel99> On the K menu then System-Settings
[10:07] <raetsel99> Then Sound & Multimedia timi
[10:09] <timi> ok and i was looking for automatic where
[10:09] <raetsel99> Under Hardware tab
[10:09] <raetsel99> for Audio Device
[10:10] <timi> autodetecgt
[10:10] <timi> is wht it says
[10:11] <raetsel99> well you could try chaning that to Alsa, I've had to do that on some systems to get sounds working ( you can change it back easily)
[10:11] <raetsel99> I've never quite got my head round all the different types of sound manager in Linux. Choice is a blessing and a curse
[10:13] <Ace2005> how do i make konversation spell check like kopete?
[10:13] <Ace2005> you know so that words that are spelled correctly like thiis would be red
[10:13] <manu_> bonjour
[10:14] <Ace2005> not spelled correctly
[10:14] <raetsel99> don't know if you can Ace2005
[10:14] <manu_> french ?
[10:14] <Ace2005> oh :(
[10:14] <Ace2005> any irc clients that can do that?
[10:14] <manu_> i search a frch
[10:14] <aliasfred> manu_: #kubuntu-fr pour parler en francais ou #ubuntu-fr
[10:15] <aliasfred> !fr
[10:15] <manu_> thx you
[10:15] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:18] <raul_> hi all
[10:18] <Ace2005> hi
[10:18] <raul_> can anybody tell me what decoder do i have to install so i could see a movie with totem
[10:18] <raul_> ???
[10:19] <timi> hey whoever told me to do the ALSA thanks
[10:19] <raetsel99> I think it was I timi :o)
[10:19] <timi> well thank you raetsel99
[10:19] <raetsel99> check your other sound stuff works as well timi, it can be a bit of 6 of one and half a dozen of the other
[10:20] <raul_>  can anybody tell me what decoder do i have to install so i could see a movie with totem
[10:20] <macd> !tell raul_  about restricted
[10:21] <||Trayer||> !ati
[10:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:21] <||Trayer||> Is the wiki slow or what...?
[10:21] <stefan_> hallo, what's in this line incorrect?:exec 3< <( while true; do echo "hello"; sleep 10; done)
[10:22] <snider2005> hi all
[10:22] <snider2005> are you here_
[10:22] <raetsel99> hi snider2005
[10:22] <siilo> Hi all
[10:22] <snider2005> where are you from
[10:23] <siilo> just installed kubuntu, trying it...
[10:23] <raetsel99> Hi Silo, you like it?
[10:23] <raetsel99> From Birmingham, UK Snider
[10:23] <siilo> looks cool so far
[10:24] <raetsel99> You used other distros before siilo?
[10:24] <siilo> btw, where to find wincodecs for videos and lame for encoding mp3's?
[10:24] <uniq> !codecs
[10:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:25] <raetsel99> !tell siilo about codecs
[10:25] <siilo> raetsel, I've had sue for 5 years, tried others but didn't like
[10:25] <siilo> sorry, suse it was
[10:25] <raul_> sth is blocking my coundcard for mms.....what should i do
[10:25] <siilo> ubotu, thanks!
[10:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about thanks! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:25] <raul_> ???
[10:26] <timi> ok so eye candy
[10:26] <timi> widgets they are called karamab no?
[10:26] <raetsel99> superkaramba?
[10:26] <raul_> sth is blocking my coundcard for mms.....what should i do
[10:26] <timi> yeah thats it
[10:26] <raul_> ???
[10:26] <timi> is that integrated
[10:27] <raetsel99> Should be under the Utilitiles menu timi, but I've never used it
[10:27] <timi> i have buttons on the front of my laptop that dont work
[10:28] <timi> i found intstuctions to make them work but i need to know how i edit my xmod map
[10:28] <mehdi> #kubuntu-fr
[10:28] <timi> !xmodmap
[10:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about xmodmap - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:29] <timi> anyone know how to do that
[10:30] <mariux> if i download kernel-sources with adept, are the gentoo .config there by default?
[10:30] <mariux> ooops, i mean kubuntu .config
[10:30] <raetsel99> try this timi http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=82500
[10:31] <Agios> man xmodmap ?
[10:34] <josh__> how the hell do u use an ipod with linux
[10:34] <mariux> start amarok
[10:35] <timi> that stuff works for ubuntu not kubuntu i think
[10:35] <mariux> media devices
[10:35] <timi> there is no nautilus in kubuntu
[10:36] <siilo> !lame
[10:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about lame - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:39] <rocketman768> so, i just made a new kernel and initramfs.img, and I get a crapload of "modprobe could not load /lib/modules/2.6.15.7/modules.dep no such file or directory"
[10:40] <rocketman768> is this something wrong in my initramfs image?
[10:40] <GaiaX11> Where do I enable icon zooming for panel in kubuntu?
[10:41] <rocketman768> those errors are on bootup btw
[10:42] <siilo> Still, i cant find lame, mp3 encoder to rip cd:s
[10:42] <MWelchUK> Hi Guys
[10:43] <MWelchUK> Is anyone finding the desktop in dapper to be a little less than stable?
[10:43] <trappist> siilo: have to enable the universe/multiverse repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:44] <rocketman768> MWelchUK: i find the whole thing to be unstable
[10:44] <siilo> trappist, thanks, ill try
[10:46] <timi> To disable the very loud system bell in the console, uncomment "set bell-style none" in /etc/inputrc. The annoying noises in KDE can be disabled through its own tool.
[10:46] <timi> what does uncomment mean, delete?
[10:47] <GaiaX11> Is there any icon zooming in kubuntu?
[10:47] <MWelchUK> rocketman768: Guess I should have a look in the bug tracker.
[10:47] <raetsel99> timi it means remove the leading # symbol
[10:47] <raetsel99> a # makes it a comment so you comment something out by putting a # in front
[10:48] <raetsel99> and you uncomment it by removing the #
[10:51] <timi> i dont think i have an xmodmap file
[10:51] <rocketman768> MWelchUK: the bug tracker is loaded down. I have already experienced 2 or 3 of the bugs.
[10:55] <chx> hi. Writing to kio_svn is not supported. that's a bit of a problem. how can I integrate svn committing then into , say, KATE?
[10:56] <raetsel99> well time to go, bye
[10:56] <timi> how do i get rid of the annyoing beep when i backspace to far in console
[10:57] <xylus> anyh0one online?
[10:57] <xylus> i need alitle help\
[10:58] <blueranger> !ask
[10:58] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:58] <xylus> thanks
[10:58] <xylus> umm im using kubuntu and i wana change my folders from the blue ones to the gray ones
[10:58] <timi> i tried xset b off
[10:58] <xylus> but it wont let me activate them
[10:58] <timi> but the beep is still there
[10:59] <xylus> any idea how i would do this?
[11:00] <xylus> perhaps thats a stupid question one more anyone know of a good fserving irc cliant for linux?
[11:00] <prxq> I have a problem with konqueror. It is easily a factor 10 slower than firefox. is this a known problem?
[11:02] <MetaMorfoziS> iirc is there an app to change the colors of the dir, try look for it on kde-apps.org
[11:05] <Agios> xylus: righgt click on the folder icon, properties, click the icon, change it to whatever you want.
[11:06] <draik> !samba
[11:06] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:07] <timi> is there anyway to ge rid of that annoying beep in konsole
[11:07] <timi> i set system bell to 0
[11:07] <timi> there is still a sound
[11:07] <timi> i set notification off
[11:07] <timi> there is still a sound
[11:10] <ricardo> does anybody has a simple script for reading rss in conky?
[11:13] <alvaro> Hi
[11:14] <draik> timi
[11:14] <alvaro> What app do you recommend me? Something like Automatix or Easy Ubuntu but specially for Kubuntu?? To install the basic things.
[11:14] <draik> Click on Settings...
[11:14] <draik> then go to Bell and select NONE
[11:15] <timi> no i figured it out
[11:15] <timi> you ahve to go to configure notifications
[11:15] <draik> k
[11:15] <timi> if you dont want to have to set bell to none everytime
[11:16] <draik> and I just learned something... thanks timi
[11:16] <timi>  p
[11:16] <timi>  np
[11:17] <draik> Anyone here setup Samba before?
[11:17] <alvaro> What program should I install? Something like Automatix or Easy Ubuntu but specially for Kubuntu?? To install the basic things. Pardon my english.Thans
[11:18] <timi> draik no anything about xmodmap
[11:18] <timi> im trying to set up some hot keys
[11:18] <RandomDude16> anyone there?
[11:18] <RandomDude16> I need help getting php4
[11:18] <timi> i have instruction it just says edit xmodmap and i dont know how to open it or w/e
[11:18] <RandomDude16> and myql4 working.
[11:18] <draik> timi...
[11:18] <draik> <~~~NEWBIE!!!
[11:19] <timi> lol
[11:19] <timi> well anyone else know anything about xmodmap
[11:19] <draik> I found it rather funny that your question about firefox default was what I did about 5 minutes before you asked...
[11:19] <draik> !xmodmap
[11:19] <ubotu> I know nothing about xmodmap - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:20] <draik> well, I suppose you can edit a file within konsole with 'sudo nano -w /path/directory/xmodmap'
[11:21] <alvaro> pls could you tell me just that, I am very noob in kubuntu, and I would like an installer to setup the basic things (codecs flash, etc)1
[11:21] <draik> but I don't know what xmodmap is or what it does, so I assume it's a text file
[11:23] <Lord_Athur> hi all, which firewall do you recommend me?
[11:25] <alvaro> :(
[11:26] <ricardo> does anybody has a simple script for reading rss in conky?
[11:27] <trappist> Lord_Athur: I use ipkungfu
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> Lord_Athur: I think pf on OpenBSD or FreeBSD is the best - Its more logical the way its configured (Otherwise just use iptables I guess)
[11:27] <nop> hello
[11:27] <trappist> h3sp4wn: the pf syntax is a little easier, but iptables is perfectly logical
[11:28] <jmichaelx> has anyone in here ever had a kubuntu install just simply die on them? i bought a new laptop about a month ago, installed kubuntu on it immediately and it has been working great, but i came home from work today, and kubuntu will no longer load.....
[11:29] <draik> Lord_Athur, I think GuardDog is good
[11:29] <Lord_Athur> thanks all
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> trappist: maybe logical was the wrong word it looks messy would probably be a better way of describing it
[11:29] <jmichaelx> it acts like kubuntu is loading... the blue kubuntu logo comes up, and it goes through loading all of its stuff, but after it is done, kdm does not start up, and it just goes back to the blue logo and stays there
[11:31] <total_linux_geek> jmichaelx have you tried booting into single user mode and trying to repair it
[11:32] <Lord_Athur> draik, I can't find the prograam you told me with pat
[11:32] <alvaro> which automated script do you use in Kubuntu for installing basic things? (codecs,flash) like automatix in ubuntu
[11:32] <Lord_Athur> *apt
[11:32] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: how in the world do i do that? this is like being BSOD'd
[11:32] <total_linux_geek> kinda
[11:32] <jmichaelx> i never thought linux would do this to me lol
[11:33] <total_linux_geek> do you have grub installed
[11:33] <total_linux_geek> or lilo
[11:33] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: grub
[11:33] <total_linux_geek> cool
[11:33] <jmichaelx> why would this have happened??
[11:34] <total_linux_geek> could be a corrupted conf file
[11:34] <draik> Lord_Athur, http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/linux/Guarddog-Review-23019.shtml
[11:34] <jmichaelx> man, this sucks
[11:34] <total_linux_geek> yeah
[11:35] <jmichaelx> so linux does this to people off and on?
[11:35] <total_linux_geek> what kernel is it that you are running and which version of kubuntu
[11:35] <wolfmanz> i corrrupted my xorg.conf last night and that would hault the system while booting
[11:35] <timi> jmicheal your having a problem with xserver
[11:35] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: i am running dapper, with the most recent i686 kernel
[11:35] <timi> jmichealx are you on the same computer you were having thi problem on
[11:35] <total_linux_geek> ok
[11:36] <jmichaelx> timi: no
[11:36] <timi> ok
[11:36] <total_linux_geek> so that makes is 2.6.15-26-686
[11:36] <timi> so you cant boot into kubunutu right
[11:36] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: i think so
[11:36] <timi> b/c the same thing happened to and i installed in the safe graphical mode
[11:36] <timi> and it worked fine
[11:36] <total_linux_geek> do you have one harddisk or two
[11:36] <jmichaelx> timi: you installed what?
[11:36] <timi> kubuntu
[11:36] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: it is a laptop
[11:37] <total_linux_geek> so one
[11:37] <jmichaelx> timi: i have to reinstall?
[11:37] <timi> i installed the first time in regular mode using an alternate disk
[11:37] <timi> and it did exactly wht you describe
[11:37] <timi> yes
[11:37] <timi> just get the regular pc disk, if you alread have it then use that disc
[11:37] <total_linux_geek> so boot it and press esc when it is loading grub
[11:37] <total_linux_geek> press 'c'
[11:37] <wolfmanz> jmichae;x can you hit ctrl alt f1 and get a command prompt when it stops on ya?
[11:37] <timi> boots up do install in safe graphical mode
[11:37] <jmichaelx> timi: what advantage did doing that have over a fresh install?
[11:38] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: ok will do
[11:38] <timi> installing in safe graphical mode somehow worked
[11:38] <jmichaelx> timi: i don't get what advantage that has
[11:38] <jmichaelx> brb
[11:38] <timi> if your using a desktop/laptop with non standard resolution xserver wont recongising it and wil lhang
[11:39] <slow-motion> n8
[11:39] <timi> anyways im trying to set up some hot keys and i don tknow how to edit my xmodmap
[11:39] <timi> anyone know how
[11:40] <jmichaelx> timi: that is what it is! i installed 955resolution
[11:40] <timi> ok
[11:40] <jmichaelx> however, after i installed 955resolution, i rebooted and it worked fine
[11:40] <timi> good
[11:40] <blueranger> can anyone help me out here, i'm in the live cd and sudo cfdisk gives: "FATAL ERROR: Cannot read disk drive", fdisk -l doesnt show the /dev/hda/, BUT gparted shows /dev/hda.
[11:40] <jmichaelx> this would have been the 2nd reboot, and it will not work, as i said
[11:41] <blueranger> i havent tried creating partitions with gparted yet...
[11:41] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: i did the esc, c in grub
[11:41] <blueranger> any ideas on why i'm getting those errors with gparted.
[11:41] <blueranger> erm, cfdisk*
[11:41] <timi> jmichael im a little confused
[11:42] <timi> i thought the comp you were having this problem with wasnt booting
[11:42] <jmichaelx> timi: ok, the other day i installed 955resolution... i rebooted, it worked fine... i powered down, and now have rebooted again.... now it is not working
[11:42] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: i cannot send private messages
[11:43] <timi> ok
[11:43] <Lord_Athur> thanks all
[11:43] <doppelganger_> anyone have any positive comments on running firefox and flash in Wine, as opposed to the native versions?
[11:43] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: i'm not a registered user
[11:43] <doppelganger_> i can't stand this flash- out of sync sh*t anymore...  it's driving me nuts
[11:44] <timi> oo i c, my problem was it never booted in the first place so its a little different i guess
[11:44] <jmichaelx> i hate to say it folks, but i no longer buy the linux being more stable than windows spiel
[11:44] <doppelganger_> jmichaelx, type in "/msg nickserv register (pass)
[11:45] <jmichaelx> doppelganger_: ok, ty
[11:45] <doppelganger_> without that quote, sorry
[11:45] <MetaMorfoziS> !easysource
[11:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:46] <jmichaelx> total_linux_geek: are you still there?
[11:46] <blueranger> can anyone help me out here, i'm getting a fatal error: cannot read disk when using cfdisk and gparted wants me to create a disk label before it allows me to create a new partition.
[11:47] <blueranger> fdisk -l wont even show any partitions.
[11:47] <blueranger> or the physical disc itself.
[11:48] <ricardo> does anybody has a simple script for reading rss in conky?
[11:51] <nanaki_> hey, i'm not sure if there's anyone who knows about this stuff here, but i'm wondering about the package gtk2-engines-gtk-qt (the thing that makes gtk apps use your qt style)
[11:51] <nanaki_> in firefox this messes up the scrollbar if you're using the default kde scroll buttons style (both on bottom and one on top)
[11:51] <nanaki_> apparently this is a known issue with 0.6 and upstream fixed it in 0.7
[11:51] <nanaki_> how come we're still using 0.6?
[11:52] <nanaki_> if nobody here deals with this kinda stuff, who would i email to talk to about it?
[11:52] <trappist> nanaki_: it sort of got stuck there for dapper, won't be fixed until edgy
[11:53] <nanaki_> their policy is not to update packages with bug fixes?
[11:53] <trappist> not exactly, but they tend to be awfully conservative about non-security bugfix updates
[11:53] <trappist> it's worth filing a bug on
[11:54] <jmichaelx> ok i hope this is no offense, but i am going to repost on an issue i am having: has anyone in here ever had a kubuntu install just simply die on them? i bought a new laptop about a month ago, installed kubuntu on it immediately and it has been working great, but i came home from work today, and kubuntu will no longer load..... it acts like kubuntu is loading... the blue kubuntu logo comes up, and it goes through loading all of its stuf
[11:54] <jmichaelx>  it just goes back to the blue logo and stays there
[11:54] <trappist> they won't up to 0.7 for sure, but if you give em a working patch that just fixes the bug, there's a chance
[11:54] <nanaki_> dammit i thought i was leaving that debian attitude behind going to a more desktop-oriented distro ;)
[11:54] <trappist> nanaki_: don't take my word for it, I'm not a developer.  might ask in #ubuntu-devel or #kubuntu-devel
[11:55] <nanaki_> well if it's known to you it's probably known to them too and i guess they'd fix it if they were going to
[11:55] <crimsun> nanaki_: file a bug against gtk-qt-engine, assign it to me, please
[11:55] <Search4Lancer> aaahahahaha my CPU is at 79 degrees C!
[11:55] <conrad_> crimsun: do you know why i'm banned from #ubuntu?
[11:55] <trappist> nanaki_: I only know about it because I reported another bug on that package and submitted a patch.  I don't recall the fate of that bug.
[11:55] <crimsun> conrad_: I have no idea; I'm not paying close attention to irc atm
[11:56] <Search4Lancer> conrad_: usually when you get banned from a channel, it gives you a reason (if the banning op has the decency to include a reason)
[11:56] <jmichaelx> :-(
[11:57] <trappist> conrad_: looks like gnomefreak did it.  /msg him if you don't know.
[11:57] <gnomefreak> im looking
[11:57] <conrad_> Search4Lancer: yea, didn't get one
[11:57] <conrad_> ok, do you know how i change nick?
[11:58] <jmichaelx> if anyone was looking at my question, i will be back in about 5-10 minutes and repost
[11:58] <crimsun> trappist: also a gtk2-engines-gtk-qt issue?
[11:58] <conrad_> change nick
[11:58] <gnomefreak> conrad_: are you livingdaylight?
[11:58] <conrad_> yes
[11:58] <conrad_> gnomefreak: did you ban me?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> i removed it it was tab com;pletion
[11:59] <doppelganger_> !crossover
[11:59] <gnomefreak> i was trying to get lilbit and tab caught you
[11:59] <ubotu> I know nothing about crossover - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:59] <conrad_> gnomefreak: i don't understand - it was a mistake?
[11:59] <conrad_> lol
[11:59] <gnomefreak> conrad_: yes
[11:59] <conrad_> gnomefreak: ok
[11:59] <gnomefreak> i unbanned you right after
[11:59] <doppelganger_> gnomefreak...  in kubuntu..
[11:59] <trappist> crimsun: yes, mine had to do with a small typo
[11:59] <doppelganger_> ;P
[11:59] <crimsun> trappist: please assign it to me
[11:59] <trappist> ok
[11:59] <crimsun> (if it's not already assigned to someone)
[12:00] <blueranger> can anyone help me out here, i'm getting fatal error: cannot read disk with cfdisk in the live cd.
[12:00] <conrad_> gnomefreak: for some reason it still says that i'm banned?
[12:00] <nanaki_> crimsun i'm getting ready to file that, just gotta type in the description, how do i assign it to you?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> fixed
[12:00] <blueranger> gparted sees the physical disc, but requires me to create a new drive label.
[12:00] <blueranger> and fdisk -l doesnt show the physical disk.
[12:00] <blueranger> i think my partition table and mbr have been corrupted after running qtparted.
[12:00] <gnomefreak> conrad_: go for it
[12:00] <doppelganger_> I'm on my waaaaaaaay,  home sweeeet hooooooooome
[12:00] <doppelganger_> ;)
[12:00] <blueranger> anyway to resolve the error in cfdisk so i can rebuild and restore??
[12:00] <conrad_> gnomefreak: ok, NOW it works : )
[12:01] <doppelganger_> g-night fellows, have a gud'un
[12:01] <crimsun> nanaki_: you'll need to Submit the report first
[12:01] <nanaki_> ok, few mins i gotta write a nice description for it :)
[12:01] <conrad_> by the way anyone know the nick command to change nick?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> conrad_: /nick newnick
[12:01] <blueranger> i've googled an it seems no one has had similar errors that are a result of a similar action.
[12:02] <trappist> crimsun: it was sitting at 'fix committed' - is that the correct status for something that's been fixed upstream?
[12:02] <crimsun> nanaki_: after you've submitted it, click the source package name under the 'Affects' column, then put me in the 'Assigned to' text entry field  (you'll probably have to 'Choose' to search)
[12:02] <crimsun> trappist: I wouldn't touch the Status yet
[12:03] <trappist> crimsun: I didn't, I was just wondering about that
[12:03] <crimsun> trappist: yes, if it has been fixed upstream but isn't in {K,}Ubuntu yet, that's the correct status
[12:03] <blueranger> anyone??
[12:03] <trappist> k
[12:04] <jbaloul> hi all, does anyone know whats going on with microphone input...seems not to be working since latest upgrade
[12:07] <jbaloul> anyone ?