=== antitrust is now known as fredix === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@59.167.27.251] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === njs [n=njs@66.159.194.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool [12:48] Is this the right place to ask general questions about packaging? [12:48] I have a software project. As a convenience for users, we distribute binaries of new versions, until distros have a chance to pick it up. So our unofficial sid deb has version "-0.1", to avoid bumping into the official package. What version do I use for a package built for, say, dapper? [12:49] 0.1ubuntu0 I think [12:53] that's fine. What's the holdup on getting it into Sid? [12:55] njs: the usual convention is to put the packages for different distribution releases (sid/dapper/etch etc) into different directories [12:56] njs: theres no need for a different version number between the different builds unless there is an actual change. [12:58] bddebian: ah, stink! [12:59] I stink? [01:01] lifeless: hrm. seems confusing. [01:04] bddebian: no, about Scilab [01:04] I know, I was kidding :-) === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [01:05] bddebian: debian-science is thinking of setting up a unoffical repo for this sort of thing [01:06] LaserJock: what sort of thing [01:06] ? [01:06] licensing problems and experimental packages [01:06] oh [01:07] I'm just not sure what to do [01:07] scientists need to get with it when it comes to licensing their software [01:07] lifeless: wouldn't that break upgrading from dapper to edgy, say? === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] njs: if you need to rebould the package (newer dependencies), then you bump the version anyway (from 0.1 to 0.2 for example) === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] phanatic: okay, right. so what if you have to rebuild it for older dependencies? :-) === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-139-168-227-97.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] you do the same thing... there is no special versioning for dapper or edgy... just version bumps. (and X-ubuntuX when it gets modified) === anibal- is now known as anibal_ === anibal_ is now known as anibal__ === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] w00t [01:34] hugin released, the license is fixed [01:34] I should be able to upload it this time === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] anybody know what the policy is for getting stuff into Debian's non-free is? === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] is it the same as Multiverse? [01:50] LaserJock: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-non-free [01:51] ah, I guess I should've figured it would be in the Debian Policy === h3sp4wn_ [n=samw@unaffiliated/h3sp4wn] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-139-168-227-97.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] crimsun: how do you ignore joins and parts? [03:08] ? [03:08] I was thinking of taking a dive into #ubuntu for a few minutes [03:09] /ignore #channel JOINS PARTS [03:09] but I have to turn of the joins and parts or I get a more of a headache then usual === lprofil [n=lprofil@port-212-202-193-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] good evening [03:09] lprofil: hi. What's the issue with libfaac-dev? [03:10] lprofil: it's not so much annoying as off topic [03:10] is anybody of you able to install libfaac-dev ? [03:10] yes, libfaac-dev installs fine for me on Dapper and Edgy. [03:10] damn [03:10] it says: [03:10] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [03:10] libfaac-dev: Depends: libmp4-dev but it is not installable [03:10] E: Broken packages [03:11] apt-get install -f does not fix it [03:11] you're not using Ubuntu's libfaac-dev, then. [03:11] any suggestions ? [03:11] our libfaac-dev has this: [03:11] Depends: libmp4v2-dev [03:11] how do you mean? [03:11] so you must be using another repo like marillat's. [03:11] ok [03:11] ``apt-cache policy libfaac-dev'' [03:12] oha, i didn't know the "policy" option [03:12] :) [03:14] lprofil: was that the problem? [03:16] yes [03:16] i do not know yet if it _was_ [03:18] almost sounds like bug 53834 can be rejected then [03:18] Malone bug 53834 in faac "Broken dependecies when trying to install libfaac" [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53834 [03:19] that's a definite Rejected IME [03:20] Hey, I'm trying to build this package called axiom, can anyone help me? ;-P [03:20] bddebian: no [03:20] ajmitch: Well I know YOU won't help me :-) === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] what's your prob? [03:23] ./configure [03:23] make [03:23] make install [03:23] ? [03:23] or isn't it that trivial? [03:23] hehe [03:23] ;-) [03:23] certainly not that trivial [03:24] tell us [03:24] lprofil: I'm being a little sarcastic. It's a known ugly package full of lisp and other crap :-) [03:24] usually it's because it's got 40mb of source and takes a while to get feedbac [03:24] It also happens to be a 40Mb source file :-) [03:25] where do i find axiom and what does it do? [03:25] bddebian: are you just trying to merge? [03:25] lprofil: Don't even bother man. It's an algebra package [03:25] lprofil: apt-get source axiom [03:25] bddebian: hehe [03:25] LaserJock: it's been broken for awhile, I believe [03:25] LaserJock: Sort of but it build-deps xfree86-common and then FTBFSs [03:26] only certain people are brave enough to deal with it ;) [03:26] so it's broken in Debian as well? [03:26] I can fix the C generated errors but now it doesn't build a object file.. :-( [03:26] LaserJock: I think it has to be since it still build deps xfree86-common but I'm not sure [03:26] LaserJock: debian bug 376017 [03:26] Debian bug 376017 in axiom "Subject: axiom: FTBFS: Obsolete Build-Depends on xfree86-common" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/376017 [03:27] don't know if the rest of the errors he's seeing show up there [03:27] since it won't have been rebuilt for an age [03:27] Nope [03:27] I was going to post my findings but I can't figure out the object file thing [03:28] Of course upstream has been dead since 09 of 2005 :-( [03:29] sorry to interrupt you but are you trying to compile it from sources ? [03:29] some day science packages just make me want to cry [03:29] lprofil: No, the debian source package [03:29] under ubuntu? [03:29] Aye [03:30] lprofil: we are the Ubuntu Universe developers here [03:30] we are trying to make sure packages in Universe build right === bddebian is no developer :-( [03:30] and are as updated and bug free as possible === LaserJock notices that bddebian is a member of ubuntu-dev and begs to differ [03:31] bddebian: except that you've got your key in the keyring... === ajmitch notes that bddebian is lying through his teeth about not being a developer [03:34] Having a gpg key does not make me a developer [03:35] being trusted enough to have upload rights does [03:35] so stop arguing [03:35] bddebian: shut up and accept it! [03:35] ;-) [03:35] :-)\ [03:36] i got some trouble adding marillats gpg key [03:36] gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/mantikor/.gnupg/gpg.conf' [03:36] gpg: WARNING: nothing exported [03:36] gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. [03:36] when i type [03:36] gpg --export 010908312D230C5F | apt-key add - [03:37] why do you want to get packages from marillat's repositories? [03:37] lprofil: to be honest, just don't do marillat [03:37] hmm [03:37] they'll break things, as you've seen [03:37] well, i will try to be a bit more specific with my prob [03:37] & then we end up with the bugreports [03:37] i am trying to compile cinelerra [03:38] i get this error when i ./configure the cvs sources: [03:38] libfaac libraries missing [03:38] libfaac headers missing [03:38] even if i have libfaac installed [03:38] and libfaac-dev? [03:39] do you have a -dev package? [03:39] but not libfaac-dev [03:39] doh, ajmitch beat me [03:39] i cannot install libfaac-dev [03:39] you couldn't install because you were using marillat repositories, right? [03:39] no [03:40] i didn't add them yet due to the gpg problem [03:40] what I said, get rid of that marillat repository line, please [03:40] maybe that saved me from further trouble [03:40] i didn't add it and won't do so [03:41] are you sure? [03:41] back to the "libfaac-dev: Depends: libmp4-dev but it is not installable" prob [03:41] yes, sure [03:41] did you remove the lines and apt-get update? [03:41] because the package in dapper does not depend on libmp4-dev [03:41] do you have multiverse enabled for dapper in your sources.list ? [03:41] i'll do but they didn't affect due to the missing gpg keys [03:42] yes it did [03:42] i will do remove them... [03:42] i had the prob before [03:42] just because it gave you gpg warnings doesn't mean it isn't in your apt cache [03:42] removed [03:43] can you please put the output of 'apt-cache policy libfaac-dev' on pastebin [03:43] what is pastebin? [03:44] libfaac-dev: [03:44] Installed: (none) [03:44] Candidate: 1.24+cvs20060416-0.1 [03:44] Version table: [03:44] 1.24+cvs20060416-0.1 0 [03:44] 500 http://www.kiberpipa.org ./ Packages [03:44] 1.24clean-0ubuntu4 0 [03:44] 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages [03:44] hugin 0.6 is a pain to build on dapper [03:44] I see [03:44] lprofil: it avoids you flooding the channel like that [03:44] how do i use it? [03:44] please remove/disable the line in sources.list with http://www.kiberpipa.org [03:45] lprofil: use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org [03:45] mixing in non-ubuntu repositories is often going to give you problems [03:45] thanks [03:46] i erased the lines; did a apt-get update but still have the broken dependecies probs === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] lprofil: pastebin the problem [03:47] hi all [03:47] hi Hobbsee [03:47] Heya Hobbsee [03:47] LaserJock: bddebian :) [03:48] put in my name and the message [03:48] oh for goodness sake! [03:48] how to submit? [03:49] send button [03:49] bug 49066 is crazy. [03:49] Malone bug 49066 in kdelibs "Dependency errors for kdelibs4c2" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/49066 [03:49] lprofil: yeah, then give us the URL [03:49] Hobbsee: for breezy? [03:49] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18743 [03:49] crimsun: i think so [03:49] lprofil: right, so that problem is caused by the non-ubuntu libfaac still being on your system [03:49] aha [03:50] Hobbsee: oh that's a straight Rejected. [03:50] how do i link the installed libfaac libaries to my cinelerra config file? [03:50] crimsun: exactly. [03:50] crimsun: what exactly should i say as a rejected message, do you think? [03:51] is there a possiblity to tell cinelerra that this libaries are already installed? [03:51] lprofil: just install libfaac0 & libfaac-dev from dapper [03:52] i cannot install libfaac-dev [03:52] Hobbsee: something along the lines of 'kdelibs4c2a is very different to kdelibs4c2, and mixing binaries compiled for different Ubuntu releases often results in these such problems. Please ask ktechlab.org to recompile their source package against Dapper libs.' [03:52] crimsun: thanks :) [03:53] lprofil: get rid of the non-ubuntu libfaac and install the Ubuntu one [03:53] by removing the universe respositories? [03:55] no [03:55] how about apt-get remove libfaac and then apt-get libfaac [03:55] libfaac0, actually [03:56] well, whatever [03:59] works [04:01] now i will try again [04:02] i will try again to compile cinelerra [04:02] thanks for the hint - wether it worked or not [04:04] lprofil: that's why it's a good idea to not use non-ubuntu repos [04:04] configured without any errors [04:04] lprofil: and if you need more help please ask #ubuntu === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] i have to compile now [04:04] i will do so [04:06] what does moto means by the way? [04:06] see topic [04:06] :) [04:07] so you guys are merging the debian files to ubuntu? === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] lprofil: Yes pretty much === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lprofil [n=lprofil@port-212-202-193-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [05:31] jeeze, gotta love a package with 106 open bugs in Debian including 5 RC [05:33] Heh [05:33] Which package? [05:33] tetex-base [05:35] Ah yes, I was just going to look at that [05:35] Is upstream active? [05:36] sorta depends on what you mean as upstream and active [05:36] Upstream, upstream [05:36] ie not Debian :-) [05:36] we, again [05:36] *well [05:37] Or has Debian become de-facto upstream? [05:37] no [05:37] CTAN is upstream [05:38] Oh [05:38] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/ [05:39] last release (3.0) was 2005-02-08 [05:41] aye, I was just looking at the pages [05:42] we also have texlive now too: http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/texlive/ === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-30.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chipmonk010 [n=chris@c-69-142-27-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] LaserJock: I was looking at that, but it seems to point back to CTAN? [05:46] at what? [05:47] texlive? [05:47] The texlive page says to check out CTAN. I'm trying to figure it out [05:49] I'm confused [05:50] hehe, welcome to TeX [06:00] Well I gotta head to bed. 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[09:01] good good , waiting for my updates to finish ;) [09:01] raining all day on my side [09:02] dholbach: w.r.t. what? [09:02] guess i'm not supposed to answer anyway [09:02] Hobbsee: whatever :) [09:02] jsgotangco: i wish it'd rain once over here :) [09:02] jsgotangco: (my dog too) === imbrandon took the weekend off to paint the inside of my house now just getting my brain working in computer terms again ;) [09:02] hows the summer? [09:02] dholbach: i requested a few more syncs, uploaded a couple of bits, nothing major :P [09:02] pft. what summer (grumble) [09:02] imbrandon: you're finished now with the house? [09:02] Hobbsee: i noticed - ROCK ON! :-) [09:02] dholbach: :) [09:03] dholbach: yup yup finished this afternoon ;) [09:03] dholbach: you wouldnt be saying that if i broke the stuff :P === dholbach high fives imbrandon [09:03] breaking stuff is part of the process :-) [09:03] Hobbsee: at least you tried ;) [09:03] hey crimsun :) [09:03] heya crimsun ;) [09:03] heh === Hobbsee doesnt think she broke that stuff. [09:03] heya dholbach [09:03] Hobbsee: it's early enough in the cycle to break stuff [09:03] !lilo:*! one more restart for services, please bear with us === Hobbsee does want to break kopete though. [09:04] heh not when she has it loaded as her main os dholbach ;) [09:04] Hobbsee: come on, that's below you - if you break stuff, then break something major :) [09:05] dholbach: haha. i'm thinking about it, but tonio_ would be very angry with me [09:05] Hobbsee like *cough* xorg 7.1 *cough* [09:05] heh === Hobbsee was so tempted to say "i dont care, throw it at the repos anyway" [09:05] haha [09:05] or glib or qt or something :) [09:05] imbrandon: not quite the main one - i do have dapper, which i booted to a couple of days ago for a bit. [09:06] hmmm coffee [09:06] Hobbsee: heheh yea just upload kde versioned "kde4svn-0ubuntu1" and see how fast we make slashdot LOL === Hobbsee steals the coffee from dholbach, and the coffee pot. [09:06] imbrandon: LOL! nwo that would be fun === dholbach throws something heavy at Hobbsee :) === imbrandon holds his mt dew tight so Hobbsee dosent go near it === Hobbsee ducks, and watches as it hits the crystal wall. [09:07] now look what you've done, dholbach! [09:07] you have a crystal wall at home? [09:07] hahaha === n3xu [n=nexu@2001:888:10:284:0:0:1ce:c01d] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:07] now THAT's an enterieur I never imagined possible :) [09:07] heh [09:08] common guys help me get a job in EU so i can move ;) [09:08] lol === n3xu [n=nexu@2001:888:10:284:0:0:1ce:c01d] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] dholbach: or a mirror wall, take your pick [09:08] dholbach: something breakable, anyway [09:08] imbrandon: i'm not interested in mountain dew, you're safe. [09:08] seven years bad luch [09:08] luck [09:09] bleh. that i doubt. [09:13] !lilo:*! one more tiiiiiime..... 8) [09:19] !lilo:*! hmmmm, reports of our immediate success were premature [09:19] !lilo:*! one more trie [09:19] !lilo:*! erm try [09:20] !lilo:*! services restart [09:20] !lilo:*! (working on a cloaking glitch) === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] hello universe! [09:25] hi Gauvain [09:25] hi Daniel [09:25] hi Gloubiboulga [09:26] hi Hobbsee === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p5080280E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] dholbach: now, you knwo, you shouldnt go picking up random people and throwing them at me, without their consent. i'm sure imbrandon didnt appreciaet it! [09:26] ack, honey on keyboard [09:26] hey Gauvain [09:27] hi Daniel n2 [09:27] :-) [09:27] crimsun was active in Ubuntu land before me, iirc :) [09:28] we're getting old, eh? ;-) [09:28] hehe === Hobbsee offers crimsun the walking stick. [09:29] i remember one evening, where i tried to update the g*mm libraries (because i needed them for my thesis) - seb128 nearly killed me, when he had to explain shlibs (and how to bump them) for the (n+1)-th time [09:29] yay! a mail from Jani! [09:29] oh nice [09:29] what is he doing? :) [09:30] dholbach: heh, so should i ask you how you do bump them? === Hobbsee ducks [09:30] he's working on xubuntu :) [09:30] and he suggests me to apply for core-dev, which I seriously think about [09:30] rock on, Gloubiboulga! [09:30] :) [09:31] The problem is that if Jani is not around, I can't do much :/ [09:31] everything is in main now [09:31] Gloubiboulga: if you need stuff uploaded, tell me [09:31] or me [09:31] thanks Daniels :) [09:31] i won't have time to triple-check stuff, but i trust you know how to fix stuff you broke ;) [09:31] you'd be a shoo-in for core-dev given your work in Dapper [09:32] Hobbsee: it was in a package which had debian/libsomething.shlibs files - the changelog indicated that there were new interfaces added, so i'd have to bump the versions in the .shlibs file [09:32] Hobbsee: i think i didn't quite understand at the time :) [09:32] well, let's see next Tuesday :) [09:32] dholbach: ah right [09:32] Gloubiboulga: rock on, and g'luck of course :-) [09:32] Gloubiboulga: yay :) === bjp [n=bart@82-170-236-40-static.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] :-) === Hobbsee wont have to get up early for any more meetings for a while. yay x2! === n3xu is now known as nexu [09:35] heh [09:35] Hobbsee: next kcc at 2100utc ? just kiddin === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool [09:35] good morning [09:35] imbrandon: 2100UTC isnt so bad - and that'll likely be the next time. that's 7a, [09:36] moins Toadstool [09:36] *7am [09:36] Salut Toadstool [09:36] hi Toadstool [09:36] imbrandon: i either have to have a crap meeting time, or step down from the committee. === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:36] ahh i was thinking it was your 6am ( my bad math ) === lloydinho [n=andreas@192.38.119.40] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:36] imbrandon: and you can all decide which of those you'd prefer [09:36] 2000 UTC is my 6am [09:36] are you in perth? === imbrandon would rather change the meeting time ( rotation is nice ) === ajmitch waves to dholbach [09:37] hey ajmitch [09:37] how are you? [09:37] heya aj [09:37] err ajmitch [09:37] hi imbrandon [09:37] damm tab [09:37] heh [09:38] jsgotangco: no, sydney - they're mostly in europe [09:38] cept me and i just am a night owl and dont care about time(s) [09:38] hehe [09:38] yeah, you can do that :P === Hobbsee cant. [09:38] i sleep and wake when i want ;) /me pays the sun no attn [09:39] lucky [09:39] tis about 3am here for me, though i would love to be in EU atm ;) === ajmitch should read the GNOME HIG before doing too much UI stuff [09:39] actually, i'll probably tell Riddell that a meeting at 2100UTC on a wednesday is fine. [09:40] HIG ? human interface guide ? [09:40] yes [09:40] cool [09:40] eek. col.d [09:40] so that I don't put together a monstrosity, there are some good tips there [09:40] yea useability.kde.org has some good info too ( although i know your a gnome guy heh ) [09:40] heh [09:40] ajmitch cant stand kde. [09:41] s/kde.org/kde.com === Hobbsee heard them whinging about it for a long while. [09:41] imbrandon: .org, surely. [09:41] I'm not a big KDE fan, either, but I'm forcing myself to use it so I can try and get this audio stuff fixed up [09:41] err yea one of those darnit [09:41] crimsun: yay ! === Hobbsee screams and runs around in circles. [09:41] lol [09:44] hrm ok since some of the "big dawgs" are arround whats some sugestion / stuff i can work on to get my MOTU skills better /me would like to be confident to go for MOTU semi soon , just keep plugin merges ? [09:44] merges are an excellent entry point [09:45] kk i'll keep with those for the moment then ;) [09:45] imbrandon: merges, merges, merges :P [09:45] back in the day we'd fight over wiki locks. You younguns have it easy. ;-) [09:45] heheh [09:45] :) [09:46] why, I remember back in those days... ;) [09:46] crimsun: hah [09:46] ajmitch: yeah, but you're old and decrepit :P === Hobbsee hugs ajmitch === ajmitch tweaks /ignore settings [09:47] heh [09:47] ROFLAMAO , you are too now Hobbsee , into the adult world at 18+ ;) === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] morning [09:47] imbrandon: yeah, i keep telling people that im' old - they dont seem to belive me. [09:47]