[12:32] <HellDragon> erf
[12:42] <hlabs> hey guys is there any software similar to limewire in edubuntu
[12:44] <LaserJock> hlabs: I'm sure there is, I just don't know of any off hand, I've never used limewire type apps
[12:44] <LaserJock> hlabs: I'd suggest asking #ubuntu
[12:45] <hlabs> yeah thats a good idea
[12:45] <mhz> hlabs: basically, all software in edubuntu is part of ubuntu universes
[12:46] <hlabs> yeah i used frostwire but the darn thing does not work on my ubuntu
[12:48] <hlabs> is ther any other p2p software like lime wire
[12:48] <mhz> hlabs: no idea, i dont use them ,sorry
[12:48] <mhz> only ssh
[12:48] <mhz> :D
[12:48] <hlabs> well does any one download music of the net man
[12:49] <LaserJock> nope
[12:49] <mhz> hlabs: maybe in #ubuntu?
[12:50] <mhz> hlabs: at least IMHO, as a teacher I can't encourage P2P (for ilegal stuff) among students
[12:51] <hlabs> i know. Just wanted to know if it was possible. Well no worries i still have 3 months access to itunes
[12:51] <mhz> heheheh
[12:51] <mhz> it is possible, sure
[12:51] <mhz> Many have done it
[12:56] <HellDragon> heh
[12:57] <hlabs> hey is there any way that you can logoff a user from their session
[12:57] <pygi> hlabs, student control panel?
[12:57] <mhz_work> pygi: as kiosk?
[12:57] <hlabs> and this will only work with terminal service or any other method as well                 
[12:58] <pygi> mhz_work, hm?
[12:58] <pygi> hlabs, I assumed you are talking edubuntu server/client
[12:58] <mhz_work> ohh, i had missed last line
[12:58] <mhz_work> sorry
[12:59] <hlabs> ok its workable on the Serv/Client Great
[02:56] <HellDragon> heh
[03:02] <bddebian> Heya
[03:24] <HellDragon> hey
[03:28] <mhz_work> re
[03:54] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:55] <mhz> hey jsgotangco 
[03:58] <jsgotangco> mhz!
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[04:03] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: OT/ you do have a Zaurus SL-5500, don't you?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> yes somewhere
[04:48] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:49] <jsgotangco> its somewhere at home for sure
[04:49] <mhz> c'mon, those are precious little great toys
[04:49] <jsgotangco> sure
[04:49] <jsgotangco> if they're useful
[04:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: and do you remember which ROM you had it with?
[04:49] <jsgotangco> my cellphone is more useful than that
[04:49] <jsgotangco> i only use OZ
[04:50] <jsgotangco> since i used to be part of the project
[04:50] <mhz> okis, that is Opie Desktop
[04:50] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:51] <mhz> jsgotangco: the thing is that opie desktop roms seems to suck the crappy battery power very quickly
[04:52] <jsgotangco> i thought it was from the kernel instead of the desktop?
[04:52] <mhz> and Sharp ROMs are not for me, but battery lasts longer
[04:52] <mhz> opie desktop based roms
[04:53] <mhz> jsgotangco: anyways, besides that battery issue, my current prob. is that older sharp ROM had Addressbook,xml
[04:53] <mhz> .
[04:54] <mhz> current Sharp ROM does not have any addressbook file
[04:54] <mhz> or one I can find
[04:54] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:54] <mhz> so, jsgotangco have you ever synced the Z with Linux (via any GUI app)?
[04:55] <jsgotangco> I did that before in the early development of KitchenSync
[04:55] <jsgotangco> but if i still have my old stuff i cannot say
[04:55] <mhz> lol
[04:55] <mhz> okis
[04:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: and you still have friends in that OZ team? friends I can contact quickly? (faster than idling on #channel waiting for someone who actually knows what I need)
[04:56] <jsgotangco> i cannot say
[04:56] <mhz> ok
[04:56] <jsgotangco> the one i knew who started the project moved to TI years ago
[04:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: one last OT question (/me takes adavantage knowing jsgotangco's geographic zone)...
[04:58] <jsgotangco> sure
[04:59] <mhz> 10 or 11 inches laptops, with at least 9 GB of HD, 512 MB of RAM, 1 RJ45, 1 PCMCIA, 1 USB, bootable from external CD drive (at least)... U$150... Are they manufactured near your area (close country?)
[05:00] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:00] <jsgotangco> some of them don't use internal batteries
[05:00] <mhz> jsgotangco: nice!!!
[05:00] <jsgotangco> i dont use them
[05:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:00] <mhz> jsgotangco: any hints where I can start looking up?
[05:01] <jsgotangco> let me check
[05:15] <mhz> jsgotangco: still there?
[05:28] <LaserJock> hi Yagisan 
[05:29] <HellDragon> hi
[05:30] <Yagisan> I got <sarcasim> good news </sarcasim> today. My adsl plan is discontinued - and I may be disconnected at anytime between now and the 30th
[05:30] <Yagisan> usn't that wonderful :(
[05:32] <LaserJock> that stinks
[05:34] <Yagisan> yes I thought so too. Telstra inscreased DSLAM costs, so my ISP went - we won't make any money on this plan anymore - lets tell the customer to pay more or turf him :(
[05:40] <mhz> eeek! Jeff Elkner on video!
[05:40] <mhz> IIntriducingPython.mpg :D
[05:45] <Yagisan> mhz, no!!! - I already have eye issues
[05:48] <mhz> Yagisan: hehehe
[05:48] <mhz> but it is a nice video indeed
[05:48] <Yagisan> mhz, actually - seriously - I see red spots that don't exist o_O
[05:48] <mhz> starring Eric Raymonf too
[05:49] <mhz> Yagisan: ooooh, communist eyes?
[05:49] <HedgeMage> Hi guys :)
[05:49] <mhz> Yagisan: the only way I can fight physical probs. is via sports
[05:50] <mhz> HedgeMage: hi girl
[05:50] <Yagisan> mhz, no. floating bright red spots. The specalists will take $150 of me tommorow to say "I don't know why you see those spots"
[05:50] <mhz> Yagisan: stress !
[05:50] <lecaros> may be the drug...
[05:50] <mhz> no need to spend that
[05:50] <mhz> lecaros: :D
[05:50] <mhz> lol
[05:50] <mhz> that too
[05:51] <HellDragon> heh
[05:51] <lecaros> Yagisan, what about your heart?
[05:51] <Yagisan> lecaros, I have kids, I can't afford drugs
[05:51] <HedgeMage> How's it going?
[05:51] <Yagisan> lecaros, heart seems fine.
[05:51] <lecaros> Yagisan, just kidding :)
[05:51] <HedgeMage> lol
[05:51] <lecaros> hummm, do you use glasses?
[05:52] <Yagisan> lecaros, nope. I have 20/15 vision :)
[05:52] <mhz> Yagisan: stress
[05:52] <lecaros> yup, may be stress
[05:52] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: Is there something around you might be allergic to or chemically intolerant toward?
[05:52] <mhz> Yagisan: I used to see red spots when I was stressed
[05:52] <Yagisan> mhz, maybe. It got worse (12 spits now) up from 3 for the last 12 years
[05:52] <jsgotangco> yes! people!
[05:52] <lecaros> try walking around... around 3 hours :)
[05:53] <mhz> jsgotangco: i am still waiting for your "let me check"
[05:53] <HedgeMage> A chemically-caused migraine (as opposed to the less severe ones normally brought on by stress) often show red spots along with light nausea as early symptoms, even if you never get to the headache part.
[05:53] <Yagisan> HedgeMage, can't say. I've been in 2 different states with the same issue. It just got worse lately - more then just mildly annoying
[05:53] <jsgotangco> mhz: errmm??
[05:54] <mhz> Yagisan: please DO not go to the same hospital your wife was in
[05:54] <HedgeMage> good luck with the eye doctor.
[05:54] <Yagisan> thanks HedgeMage
[05:55] <mhz> Yagisan: my bet is still stress or blood presure
[05:55] <Yagisan> mhz, I made sure of that. I'm going toone next to parliment house
[05:55] <mhz> if i were you i'd try Yoga
[05:55] <Yagisan> mhz, 12 years is a lot of stress
[05:55] <Yagisan> mhz, I prefer Doom :)
[05:56] <mhz> Yagisan: not necesarily... many people -my mom, for instance- suffered from a pain for about 10 years. Shre tried relaxing excercises..no more pain.
[05:56] <Amaranth> this sucks
[05:57] <Amaranth> computer is t3h broken
[05:57] <lecaros> bye guys
[05:57] <Amaranth> windows did funny things to my partition table and i broke things trying to fix it
[05:57] <lecaros> have a good nite
[05:57] <mhz> lecaros: not good
[05:57] <lecaros> mhz, why?
[05:57] <Amaranth> i have my /etc/environment half in my /etc/fstab and half the files in ~/.xchat2 are gone
[05:57] <Amaranth> willowng looks fine though
[05:57] <Yagisan> lecaros, mhz made a typo
[05:57] <Yagisan> lecaros, good night
[05:58] <Amaranth> which is good because i haven't pushed the latest version :)
[05:58] <lecaros> mhz, i have a meeting in 8:30 hours..
[05:58] <mhz> eek
[05:58] <mhz> nn, then
[05:58] <lecaros> see you!
[05:59] <mhz> c ya
[05:59] <mhz> jsgotangco: <mhz> jsgotangco: any hints where I can start looking up?
 let me check
[05:59] <lecaros> Yagisan, visit a different doctor
[05:59] <lecaros> and have a nice week
[06:00] <mhz> Yagisan: a yoga session will be much cheaper than 150
[06:00] <mhz> wha tif they do help yo?
[06:00] <lecaros> mhz, ... i won't ask about other hand :p
[06:01] <Yagisan> mhz, ah, but what if there is a physical defect ??
[06:01] <mhz> lecaros: ! you latino man!
[06:01] <lecaros> mhz, of course
[06:02] <mhz> Yagisan: true... but many Yoga places give one or 2 sessions for free
[06:02] <mhz> free as in free of charge :D
[06:04] <Amaranth> ok, essentials moved to backup, time to wipe the drive
[06:05] <Amaranth> back in 40 minutes or so
[07:14] <pygi> morning mhz 
[07:15] <mhz> pygi: hi.. i'm almost sleeping
[07:18] <mhz> has anyone seen jeff elkner around here?
[07:19] <pygi> mhz, nick?
[07:19] <mhz> jelkner
[07:19] <mhz> afaik
[07:19] <mhz> nah, pygi /whois does not find him
[07:20] <pygi> maybe he's asleep? :P
[07:29] <Yagisan> !seen jelkner
[07:29] <ubotu> I last saw jelkner (n=jelkner@158.59.225.142) 3d 13h 37m 14s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat"
[07:29] <Yagisan> mhz, ^^
[07:30] <mhz> Yagisan: thx
[07:31] <Yagisan> mhz, np. I took a guess as to the bots command
[07:33] <cbx33> hi all
[07:34] <mhz> hi, cbx33 
[07:37] <cbx33> hows esa translation coming along mhz ?
[07:38] <mhz> nice and cool
[07:38] <mhz> I am using a moin instance for it :D
[07:40] <mhz> however, the few hands I have available had to be for diff needs. Then, 4 hands are working on edubuntu.org into es, and my 2 hands on ESA
[07:40] <mhz> so it will take a little longer than I expected (maybe this whole week)
[07:41] <mhz> and then, Handbook is also very important, so I am drafting what I will write about there, too.
[07:42] <jsgotangco> i think you should officially change your name to Moin Hernandez
[07:42] <mhz> and, I am trying to make a couple of wallpapers and themes with Chilean symbols, to see if I can get more Chileans encouraged to join #edubuntu-es
[07:42] <cbx33> that's cool
[07:43] <cbx33> jsgotangco, haha
[07:43] <mhz> jsgotangco: what do you think 'mhz' stands for?
[07:43] <jsgotangco> mauricio?
[07:43] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:44] <mhz> jsgotangco: BTW, did you get any url about my question for such thin laptops manufactured near you?
[07:44] <jsgotangco> no not at all
[07:44] <mhz> me neither
[07:44] <jsgotangco> im sure i have it in my bookmarks somewhere
[07:47] <jsgotangco> try looking for an OEM named ECS
[07:47] <jsgotangco> and Twinhead
[07:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: okis, thx
[07:50] <mhz_zZzZ> nn all
[07:59] <cbx33> new minutes are up
[08:00] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[08:50] <RichEd_> morning highvoltage ... and anyone else :)
[08:53] <toosa> hi ! I am from Indonesia
[08:54] <RichEd_> hello toosa ... greetings from the bottom of Africa - Cape Town, South Africa
[08:54] <toosa> hello RichEd
[08:55] <toosa> btw, at 29th July we will held our 2nd Edubuntu IstallFest and Seminar
[08:56] <RichEd_> toosa ... just trying to sort out a problem on my pother machine ... but I am interested to chat about this
[08:56] <RichEd_> porther <- other
[08:56] <toosa> ok
[08:56] <RichEd_> i am looking after the education programme ... so i want to hear more !
[08:58] <toosa> we are living in small town at south of Jakarta (Indonesian Capital)
[08:59] <toosa> we believe that Edubuntu will suit our Edu Env ... but it need a lot of works to do fo sure
[08:59] <toosa> suite
[08:59] <toosa>  (sorry for my poor english)
[09:00] <RichEd_> well i am here to listen to your comments : your good comments and your issues as well 
[09:00] <RichEd_> no problem with the english at all : i am not be able to speak your language !
[09:00] <toosa> The effect of so many software pirates here, makes people know M$ more than linux
[09:01] <RichEd_> not be able <- not able 
[09:01] <toosa> :) thx
[09:01] <jsgotangco> hey
[09:01] <RichEd_> hey jsgotangco :) thought you disappeared earlier 
[09:01] <toosa> Me and my firend have wrote an Edubuntu books in Bahasa 
[09:02] <toosa> :)
[09:02] <RichEd_> toosa ... can you send me an email with some background on your installfest event ?
[09:02] <jsgotangco> RichEd_: yeah i had to relocate my machine, its raining so hard here in the office building i had to move my machine somewhere that is not dripping :/
[09:02] <RichEd_> and you can include any other comments !
[09:02] <toosa> I have a story about that ... wait I am looking for the URL first ...
[09:02] <RichEd_> toosa : have you submitted your Edubuntu book to the web site for others to access ?
[09:03] <toosa> not yet
[09:03] <RichEd_> it would be a good idea to share ...
[09:03] <RichEd_> toosa: richard.edubuntu@gmail.com
[09:03] <toosa> the copyright is owned by the publisher already
[09:04] <RichEd_> ah ... were you paid to write it ?
[09:04] <RichEd_> jsgotangco: forgive the trivial response last night ... had a domestic deadline to get to 
[09:04] <jsgotangco> RichEd_: no worries im just online anyways
[09:05] <toosa> This the URL (sorry for the poor of my english .. again) http://toosa.oo-linux.com/weblog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=25&blogId=3
[09:05] <RichEd_> so take to heart that ii am very interested in your issues, and how we cope with these with limited resources
[09:05] <toosa> yes, 
[09:05] <RichEd_> we need to address your issues and work out how to move forwards in a wat that grows
[09:05] <jsgotangco> toosa: are you from jakarta?
[09:05] <RichEd_> way <- way
[09:05] <toosa> the publisher paid me ( not much, but enough for me)
[09:06] <toosa> yes .. I am in Jakarta
[09:06] <jsgotangco> cool i am in Manila
[09:06] <toosa> Depok exactly
[09:06] <toosa> 10 km from jakarta
[09:06] <RichEd_> (sustainable growth is what i am trying to say)
[09:07] <RichEd_> back in 5 mins
[09:07] <toosa> Hi jsgotangco
[09:07] <jsgotangco> hey
[09:07] <toosa> I have been in Manila at Dec 2004 in 1 week :D
[09:08] <jsgotangco> oh did you like it
[09:08] <jsgotangco> its a cool time to be here
[09:09] <toosa> yes, but I forgot what the event name that i joined ... it is related to ASEAN MOE Organization
[09:10] <toosa> sorry brb in 5 min
[09:15] <jsgotangco> toosa: sorry my connection is dropping its raining so hard here
[09:19] <toosa> i'm back
[09:20] <toosa> jsgotanco ... what are doing in Manila ?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> toosa: i currently work here, i was born here, lived outside for a while then went back home
[09:21] <toosa> btw, Oh iya I just remember ... I joined in SEAMEO Seminar in Manila 2004
[09:21] <toosa> (south east asia ministry of edu)
[09:22] <toosa> do you teach at school ?
[09:22] <jsgotangco> no i don't teach. Im a software developer by profession
[09:22] <toosa> ic
[09:22] <jsgotangco> i did made some lectures in schools before
[09:23] <jsgotangco> what i mostly do in edubuntu is test the amd64 builds and write documentation for a few applications
[09:28] <jsgotangco> toosa: how is edubuntu in indonesia?
[09:34] <toosa> i don't know exactly how is edubuntu in Indonesia ... but linux is growing fast now
[09:35] <jsgotangco> what happened to the government project with Sun?
[09:36] <toosa> I heard about that ... but don't know much
[09:36] <toosa> we move in the grass root :)
[09:37] <jsgotangco> i see
[09:39] <RichEd> hi toosa: i'm back :)
[09:40] <RichEd> can you send me an email with your email contact address ?
[09:40] <RichEd> i'd like to ask you a few questions when i am not so busy
[09:40] <toosa> pht854@yahoo.com
[09:40] <toosa> thanks RichEd
[09:41] <toosa> or pht854@gmail.com
[09:41] <RichEd> thanks ...
[09:42] <toosa> would you try to send me some test email, so i can add yours in address (avoiding jump to bulk folder)
[09:42] <toosa> address bool
[09:42] <toosa> book
[09:45] <RichEd> doing that now ... brb 5 min
[09:54] <jsgotangco> wow is amd64 and ppc oversided or borked?
[10:03] <RichEd> toosa: check your mail please :)
[10:12] <toosa> ok
[10:12] <toosa> checking
[10:13] <toosa> ok i ve got it
[10:15] <RichEd> thanks ... please send me a simple reply now ... and more to follow when you have a chance.
[10:21] <toosa> ok
[10:22] <cbx33> Guten Morgen
[10:23] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:24] <RichEd> 'lo cbx33 :)
[10:27] <cbx33> hi RichEd 
[10:27] <cbx33> wanted to speak to you
[10:27] <cbx33> 5 mins
[10:27] <RichEd> opo open a PVT and send me the start message ... busy in email and off to a meeting soon ... but can get a bit done before then
[10:34] <RobinShepheard> hiya everybody
[10:35] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:35] <jsgotangco> RobinShepheard: sorry bout that
[10:35] <RobinShepheard> hey no worries, I just didn't want anyone to think I was something I wasn't, if you see what I mean
[10:36] <jsgotangco> understandable
[10:36] <RobinShepheard> how are things going??
[10:40] <jsgotangco> pretty good
[10:43] <jsgotangco> pretty busy guy =)
[10:48] <toosa> to RichEd .. i ve replied ur email
[10:49] <toosa> Sorry guys ... i need to logoff. have a meeting outside
[10:49] <toosa> bye
[10:49] <cbx33> bye toosa 
[10:49] <jsgotangco> ciao
[10:50] <jsgotangco> selamat tinggal
[10:54] <toosa> :)
[01:32] <ogra> hmm, no RichEd today ?
[01:33] <pygi> ogra, care to tell me name of python bindings for both libglade and gtk?
[01:34] <ogra> python-glade2 and python-gtk2
[01:34] <cbx33> ogra: he was here earlier
[01:34] <pygi> ogra, thanks :)
[01:34] <cbx33> ogra, how are you :p
[01:34] <ajmitch> hi ogra :)
[01:34] <cbx33> hi ajmitch how goes the project?
[01:35] <ajmitch> it goes ok
[01:35] <cbx33> hehe
[01:35] <cbx33> good good 
[01:35] <ogra> cbx33, relaxed, upstream incuded al gnome-screensaver patches, which makes package maintenance a charm :)
[01:35] <cbx33> ogra: good for you :p
[01:35] <cbx33> I'll be finishing up grasynco this afternoon I hoipe
[01:36] <ogra> take your time, next milestone is still a week away or so
[01:36] <cbx33> :)
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya
[03:18] <pygi> hey bddebian 
[03:18] <bddebian> Hello pygi
[03:18] <jsgotangco> hey bddebian
[03:18] <jsgotangco> hey pygi
[03:18] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[03:18] <pygi> jsgotangco, :)
[03:19] <pygi> how are you?
[03:19] <jsgotangco> SUPER
[03:20] <jsgotangco> i finally got out of the house after 4 days of rain
[03:20] <pygi> nice :)
[03:20] <ogra> mmm, rain
[03:21] <jsgotangco> well its still raining but i went out!
[03:21] <jsgotangco> all the water is driving me crazy being stuck inside this house
[03:31] <ogra> RichEd, rodarvus, i just got a call from the car rental, seems i can only pick up the truck for my final move at 12:00 UTC tomorrow, could one of you lead the meeting ? 
[03:32] <rodarvus> sure, no problem
[03:32] <RichEd> hi ... i am willing to chari but may need some help ... perhaps we can both work together ?
[03:32] <RichEd> chair <- chari
[03:33] <RichEd> hi mhz :)
[03:33] <mhz> hi RichEd 
[03:33] <RichEd> my email response was very brief, but i am giving your issues some good thought for a meaningful respnse
[03:34] <ogra> the general agenda is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda ... there is nothing special on the plan...
[03:34] <mhz> RichEd: ;) take your time, it was lot of info
[03:34] <RichEd> the issues you face are common in many countries ... and resources are limited if we try to tackle each one by one
[03:35] <RichEd> i hope to find a way of addresing your issues, that we can rollover into other territories ... sustained growth .. rather than a short term focus & then move on
[03:35] <mhz> indeed, however, having a more unite solution would help a lot in lobbying for support in each country
[03:36] <RichEd> yes ... as I said S America & Africa & "other developing nations" have similar issues
[03:37] <RichEd> so we need a plan ... not a once off solution.
[03:39] <RichEd> ogra ... no problem ... looks fine ... i am happy to chair.
[03:39] <mhz> yup, agree
[03:39] <ogra> great 
[03:39] <ogra> thanks in advance ... i might be back in 15mins anyway, but i'm not sure
[03:40] <RichEd> i know that JaneW was doing this meeting organisation & charing before ... and was kind of dumped on you. if you would ratehr free up your time & headpace for coding, we can discuss me taking it off your shoulders.
[03:41] <RichEd> (back in 15 mins ... quick collection duty)
[03:41] <mhz> nice, it stays in weideman realms ;)
[03:41] <ogra> well, i usually have to give the tech update anyway, so i can chair as well ... but rotating the chairman at some point in the future would be fine the 
[03:42] <ogra> n
[04:06] <mhz> ogra: is there a more updated verion of schooltool available (packaged) or that someone is working on currently for edubuntu?
[04:08] <ogra> there is an updated debian package ... but that seems to have only minor tweaks and i'm sure doko will care for it if he updtaes zope
[04:11] <mhz> ogra: and then, that means we will get a more "convincing" schooltool to demo shipped by edubuntu edgy? (current is good, but the few people I have demo schooltool to they go to the project's home page and see the other features and then ask me about them)
[04:13] <ogra> mhz, i somewhat rely on the packages from debian ... 
[04:13] <jinty> mhz: what you are asking for is actually very difficult;) even if you don't consider that upgrading to a development version can do very bad things to the schooltool database.
[04:13] <mhz> jinty: oh, why?
[04:14] <ogra> because development versions may have bugs :)
[04:14] <ogra> even the kin of bugs that wipe your DB ;)
[04:14] <ogra> *kind
[04:15] <mhz> ogra: eeek, 
[04:15] <ogra> thats what dev versions are for ;)
[04:15] <mhz> i see
[04:15] <jinty> because if there is a bug in the database upgrade script in a development version (as there have been) and you use it on a live database. The schooltool developers are probably not interested in hearing your problems.
[04:17] <mhz> jinty: ogra, okis
[04:18] <RichEd> mhz: i am having a sidebar email conversation with Tom around SchoolTool
[04:18] <jinty> but, mhz, if you want a demo to show people, have a look at demo.schooltool.org
[04:18] <mhz> I'll have patience and see what colombians are doing, and try to have arguments to convince teachers to wait for schooltool or just help in developing (if they know zope)
[04:18] <RichEd> we will probably have an IRC chat about it later this week ... i am keen for input from others to get all views
[04:19] <RichEd> we (edubuntu) don't want to develop apps & features that other people are working towards ...
[04:19] <mhz> jinty: yeah :) But the ide is schools implement Edubuntu after my demos 
[04:19] <mhz> ide =idea
[04:20] <mhz> RichEd: exactly
[04:20] <RichEd> but we want to plug gaps in functionality that hamper adoption.
[04:21] <jinty> mhz: bug me again after the next zope3.3 and I can point you to a private repository containing the latest schooltool packages
[04:21] <mhz> Tom is a nice guy (so far, hehehe) and I know he's making good efforts on taking schooltool to a nice 'suite'
[04:21] <mhz> jinty: thx, I will 
[04:22] <mhz> usre =sure
[04:22] <RichEd> mhz: agreed but same sort of background constraints ... limited resource bandwidth
[04:22] <mhz> lol
[04:22] <RichEd> ideally we want to develop the best operating platform ...
[04:22] <mhz> yeah, same old story :(
[04:23] <RichEd> and let others develop on top of that
[04:23] <RichEd> we need to help them ... and work together towards a common education goal ...
[04:23] <mhz> RichEd: iirc, Tom told us that it was difficult to find people developing on zope
[04:23] <mhz> (zope 3)
[04:23] <RichEd> but we can't develop all things for all people ... would dilute our offering too much.
[04:24] <RichEd> yep .. he has sent me a long background email ... would you like to scan it and send comment ?
[04:24] <jsgotangco> ?
[04:24] <mhz> RichEd: sure. The good thing about education, is that objectives may vary, approach may vary, but needs are usually the same
[04:25] <mhz> RichEd: cool, sure
[04:25] <jsgotangco> why oh why is our Edubuntu meeting at 4am again
[04:25] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[04:25] <jsgotangco> 8pm
[04:25] <RichEd> yep ... so if we pool the end requirements, divide them up, and all specialise, there should be enough of us to get around to it all.
[04:26] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehe
[04:26] <mhz> jsgotangco: see? smoking can kill you... it affects your vision, and so, you may get a heart attack if you keep seeing meetings are at 4 am every week :D
[04:27] <jsgotangco> i dont care it tastes good in the morning
[04:28] <mhz> RichEd: 100% agreed, and one difficult thing for me so far in Chile is that teachers are kind of relactant (not sure to participate?) to help in a community fashion, esp. when it is about producing content 
[04:29] <jsgotangco> don't ask them for help[
[04:29] <mhz> so, specialisation in evangelizing teachers is one area :)
[04:29] <jsgotangco> let them come to you
[04:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: that is why I am commited to demo Edubuntu at least once a week
[04:29] <jsgotangco> focus on the benfefit of using free software rather than the features
[04:30] <mhz> my guess is that out 100 teachers seeing edubuntu in action, at least 5 would come to us
[04:30] <jsgotangco> or else they will just compare to the competition
[04:31] <mhz> jsgotangco: good point. I have written 3 articles for a magazine focused on education needs in Chile. Those articles are all related to more philosophical principles on why FLOSS is so key on education, and how it benefits the entire educatioanl community
[04:32] <RichEd> well i hope that once i have met sabdfl & silbs face to face (Aug 2-3) we can come up with an "agreed focused education message" ... not just an education version of ubuntu, but what we are hoping to provide (in terms of resultant human time or work or education improvements)
[04:32] <mhz> nice, it is needed
[04:32] <jsgotangco> are you going to london?
[04:33] <RichEd> once we have the clear target message (in a tailored version (or POV) for all audiences) we can then work in the same direction
[04:33] <RichEd> us (internally), and our partners
[04:34] <RichEd> yes ... london ... mark & jane realise that due to the number of enquiries and the great reception by the community to the excellent work done thus far, it now needs a focus which they have not had the time to provide themselves
[04:35] <RichEd> so i am here to help with that ... that's the way i see it.
[04:35] <jsgotangco> thats good news wish i could devote more time in the future though
[04:37] <ogra> i think its more 
[04:37] <ogra> like taking the right decisions for the software we ship etc ...
[04:38] <RichEd> ogra: agreed ... with a lot of guidance from inside & outside
[04:39] <ajmitch> ogra: I notice there's a couple of specs waiting on network-auth (blueprint has a fancy graph now) - what parts are you needing done?
[04:39] <th1a> mhz:  what are the Columbians doing?
[04:39] <ogra> ajmitch, me ?
[04:40] <ajmitch> ogra: well, one of them is yours, at least :) edubuntu-user-management
[04:40] <ogra> ajmitch, there is only one spec i'm aware of, but that was postponed to edgy+1 ... the fat client support
[04:40] <ajmitch> right
[04:40] <ogra> edubuntu-user-management was dropped long ago ... since its in fact your SoC ;)
[04:40] <ajmitch> heh
[04:41] <ogra> so we didnt see the need to keep it as a distinct spec
[04:41] <ajmitch> I see it's just the graph being confusing then :)
[04:41] <ajmitch> ah, obsolete
[04:41] <ajmitch> that's good, I can go back to coding & leave you to discuss important stuff :)
[04:51] <mhz> th1a: the colombians guys are working on a kind of CanDo, a TimeTable interface for an algorythm, and an application to help students review previous studied content
[04:51] <th1a> mhz: Ah.
[04:52] <th1a> mhz:  Do you know what they're writing it in?  PHP?  Java?
[04:53] <th1a> mhz:  Are these open source projects?
[04:53] <mhz> th1a: in Chile, a couple of friends are working on a Claroline based platform aimed to provide ... well claroline stuff :)  and also the information the Minestry of Education demands (so far schools are enouraged and kind of forced to provide all info via Books..by hand), like attendance reports, marks reports, behaviour reports, contents taught, etc.
[04:54] <mhz> th1a: php
[04:54] <mhz> th1a: afaik, should be GPLed
[04:54] <mhz> th1a: i can contact you with some of them (the people I know). One of them speaks english as well.
[04:55] <mhz> and is a python coder (he loves moin just as much as i do, jsgotangco , so I am not alone :D )
[04:55] <Yagisan> mhz, is it a chick ?
[04:55] <mhz> Yagisan: a girl?
[04:55] <Yagisan> yep
[04:55] <mhz> nope :(
[04:56] <Yagisan> damm.
[04:56] <mhz> Yagisan: and you are married :)
[04:56] <mhz> oh, but not dead, uh?
[04:56] <Yagisan> mhz, don't worry, you'll find a moin moin chick someday
[04:56] <jsgotangco> i love moin?
[04:57] <ogra> jsgotangco, you didnt know ? o_O
[04:57] <mhz> Yagisan: shakira is the one, very intelligent...if she just coded python and loved moin....oh, and were interested in me, of course ...cool!
[04:58] <jsgotangco> i dunno i saw a highlight of my nick and me loving moin lol
[04:58] <mhz> jsgotangco: " as much as i do, jsgotangco , so I am not alone" (i am not alone)
[04:58] <Yagisan> never
[04:58] <mhz> lol
[04:59] <jsgotangco> heh sorry its almost midnight here so i feel like im on drugs at the moment
[04:59] <mhz> .oO(and I thought I was asking for too much thinking shakira should code in python)
[05:00] <mhz> jsgotangco: again?
[05:00] <mhz> ;)
[05:00] <jsgotangco> mhz: its called rock and roll dude
[05:00] <mhz> heheheh
[05:03] <mhz> th1a: http://structio.sourceforge.net/sigue/ --> to keep records of students progress and issue reports to parents and school, via LaTex
[05:04] <mhz> th1a: http://structio.sourceforge.net/repasa/ --> to help students review previously studied contens (some things use Ocaml)
[05:05] <th1a> mhz:  Thanks.
[05:07] <mhz> th1a: http://structio.sourceforge.net/asigna/ --> to create TT's, entering classrooms and teachers (even allows the use of fixed weekly hours for teachers). It can export to lp_solve (no idea what that is)
[05:07] <mhz> you are wlcome
[05:07] <mhz> e
[05:08] <mhz> and they are all GPLed
[05:08] <th1a> I see.
[05:09] <RichEd> mhz: school tool email on its way ... if you have time ... great ... if not, no problem
[05:10] <mhz> RichEd: i have the time (so far) unless someone calls me for a job interview...(difficult when rain is so intense)
[05:10] <RichEd> cool ( and maybe wet in patches ;)
[05:11] <mhz> hehe
[05:15] <mhz> BTW, RichEd, may I suggest you take a look into http://www.exelearning.org/ ?  It is one possible approach towards content creation and SCORM 'compatible', afaik.
[05:15] <RichEd> okay ... 
[05:16] <ogra> :)
[05:17] <RichEd> baby steps ... not tyring to drown or be drowned :)
[05:17] <RichEd> trying even <-
[05:17] <ogra> just go ahead, i work best under pressure ;)
[05:17] <jsgotangco> you know, its been a well-known practice to actually outsource those "boring, mundane" to research lists
[05:17] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:18] <ogra> lol
[05:19] <bddebian> ogra is a vampire?
[05:20] <jsgotangco> he'll be one soon if g-p-m makes him suffer more
[05:20] <ogra> yeah
[05:20] <ogra> i see smoe fun work ahead with that 
[05:20] <mhz> eeek, if so, then next time I see this mag title "Interview with Ogra"..I'd better not read it.
[05:21] <ogra> the good old "notify being charged at every % between 90 and 100" bug is back ...
[05:21] <ogra> and i have forgotten how we solved it last time ... *sigh* 
[05:24] <jsgotangco> doh!
[05:25] <RichEd> Jul 26 at 12:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[05:25] <ogra> yep
[05:25] <RichEd> that's 12:00 midday tomorrow GMT
[05:25] <ogra> thats 14:00 CET
[05:25] <ogra> dunno what for .za
[05:26] <ogra> RichEd, come over to -meeting, i'll show you something :)
[05:26] <RichEd> ogra: we're the same for Daylight Savings
[05:26] <RichEd> but an hour difference when your are on normal time.
[05:26] <ogra> yup
[05:26] <ogra> but still, come over to -meeting :)
[05:26] <mhz> hehehe
[05:27] <ogra> (#ubuntu-meeting)
[05:35] <RichEd> thanks teachers ... you learn a little more every day
[05:35] <RichEd> as in i learn <- first person
[05:43] <cbx33> ping Yagisan 
[06:18] <RichEd> later guys & girls ... off to see my kids for dinner
[06:26] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[06:28] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hi
[06:48] <Guest477> is anyone using kubuntu or edubuntu able to use java in an environment like yahoo games? i have repeated and unsuccesfully beaten this to a pulp... note that under this installation of ubuntu i am able to properly access most java based resources 
[06:50] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[06:50] <jsgotangco> are you sure i could easily play literati on my system
[06:50] <jsgotangco> just by downloading the sun-java5 packages from multiverse
[06:51] <Guest477> not jsgot> unable to get package from repos
[06:52] <Guest477> java also shows already installed under both variations
[06:53] <Guest477> i attempted requesting reinstallation of all java packages in kubuntu and edu also, both failed
[06:53] <jsgotangco> you have to enable multiverse to get sun-java5
[06:53] <Guest477> done as far as i am able
[06:53] <Guest477> us.ubuntu .somethingeranother?
[06:53] <jsgotangco> ok how about the browser plugins
[06:54] <jsgotangco> sun-java5-plugin
[06:54] <Guest477> let me try somemore, hoping that someone else had experienced this problem :)
[06:54] <Guest477> ty i will try that
[07:00] <Lord_Athur> bye
[07:29] <cbx33> evenin LaserJock 
[07:32] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[07:33] <LaserJock> cbx33: well it's on LP anyway: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gisomount
[07:36] <Guest477> many times i have read or been told that sun-java is in repos>> could i get the address of the repository(s) that hold said java and plugins?
[07:36] <cbx33> LaserJock, :D:D
[07:36] <cbx33> does this mean bug reporting will now be done on that page?
[07:37] <mhz_food> Guest477: have you tried enabling repos via Synaptic?
[07:37] <Guest477> yes
[07:37] <Guest477> 18,832 packages in synaptic
[07:38] <Guest477> search for "sun java" comes up empty >> 0 packages
[07:38] <cbx33> Guest477, what about apt-cache search java ?
[07:39] <cbx33> pete@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search java | grep sun
[07:39] <cbx33> jikes-sun - Wrapper for jikes using Sun Java classes
[07:39] <cbx33> sun-java5-bin - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0
[07:39] <cbx33> sun-java5-demo - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 demos and examples
[07:39] <cbx33> sun-java5-doc - Sun JDK(TM) Documention -- integration installer
[07:39] <cbx33> sun-java5-fonts - Lucida TrueType fonts (from the Sun JRE)
[07:39] <cbx33> sun-java5-jdk - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0
[07:39] <cbx33> sun-java5-jre - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0
[07:39] <cbx33> sun-java5-plugin - The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0
[07:39] <cbx33> sun-java5-source - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 source files
[07:39] <cbx33> pete@ubuntu:~$
[07:39] <cbx33> whoops 
[07:39] <cbx33> sorry guys
[07:39] <LaserJock> cbx33: for Ubuntu yes, and then they should go upstream ;-)
[07:39] <LaserJock> shesh
[07:39] <Guest477> ty cbx33 > can u tell me the address of the repo?
[07:40] <Guest477> or repos? i want to visually check accuracy
[07:40] <LaserJock> Multiverse
[07:40] <cbx33> it's multiverse
[07:40] <cbx33> ah...thanks LaserJock 
[07:40] <Guest477> i understand this much, can you give me the address
[07:41] <Guest477> muliverse is not an option in repo setting
[07:41] <cbx33> LaserJock, by should go upstream? do you mean automatically
[07:41] <mhz_food> Guest477: i have same # of packages in synaptic list
[07:41] <mhz_food> Guest477: i have just searched 'java'
[07:41] <Guest477> where may i go to discover the addresses of the known repositories?
[07:42] <Guest477> please
[07:42] <Guest477> :)
[07:42] <cbx33> Guest477, hang on two ticks
[07:42] <Guest477> ty :)
[07:42] <mhz_food> and voila... 
[07:42] <LaserJock> cbx33: no, it won't be automatic unfortunately
[07:42] <LaserJock> Guest477: you don't need addresses
[07:42] <mhz_food> j2sdk1.4
[07:42] <cbx33>  deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse
[07:42] <cbx33>  deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse
[07:42] <Guest477> laserjock > yes i do
[07:42] <cbx33> those can go in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[07:42] <Guest477> tyvm cbx33 :)
[07:43] <mhz_food> Guest477: i am lost...you dont want the package?
[07:43] <cbx33> LaserJock, meaning I have to back track the bugs from LP ubuntu to LP gisomount product ?
[07:43] <LaserJock> cbx33: bah, that's not the "right" way to do that
[07:43] <cbx33> LaserJock, what is?
[07:43] <LaserJock> cbx33: more or less
[07:43] <cbx33> synaptic?
[07:43] <LaserJock> cbx33: you shouldn't tell people to edit sources.list
[07:43] <cbx33> sorry LaserJock 
[07:43] <LaserJock> np
[07:44] <cbx33> unless they are cofortable with it?
[07:44] <cbx33> or at all
[07:44] <Guest477> cbx33 > you are the most helpful, please ignore reproofs :)
[07:44] <LaserJock> System->Administration->Software Properties
[07:44] <LaserJock> is the tool for that
[07:44] <cbx33> cool ok LaserJock 
[07:44] <cbx33> Guest477, no, I was in the wrong
[07:44] <cbx33> as valid as my information was
[07:44] <cbx33> it was _NOT_ the most helpful
[07:44] <LaserJock> well, it works
[07:45] <LaserJock> but it's a bit safer to use the GUI
[07:45] <LaserJock> for just Multiverse because it's already in there
[07:45] <LaserJock> no worries about typos, etc.
[07:45] <mhz_food> LaserJock: i am lost again... why can't we suggest to use command line?
[07:46] <LaserJock> because there is already a GUI tool for this that elimates some problems
[07:46] <LaserJock> it's not that you can't
[07:46] <LaserJock> it's just that there is a better tool, so why not use it
[07:46] <cbx33> heheh
[07:47] <LaserJock> now, if you are stuck ssh'ing to all your boxes you edit sources.list
[07:47] <mhz_food> LaserJock: oh, true. But many users (like me) have light hardware computers, so the more GUI apps we use, the slower our performance is
[07:47] <LaserJock> sure
[07:47] <mhz_food> now i get it
[07:47] <LaserJock> but as a recommendation to somebody who says "How do I enable Multiverse?"
[07:47] <mhz_food> LaserJock: +1 totally agreed
[07:48] <LaserJock> </doc team rant> ;-)
[07:48] <Guest477> cbx33 > i am becoming more and more farmilliar with editing files and will manually edit the souces.list if able, i want to make sure your error doesn't extend to the rpo addresses which u have provided me, are they accurate?
[07:49] <LaserJock> Guest477: first try this, go to System -> Administration -> Software Properties
[07:50] <Guest477> forgive my abruptness laserjock, but you are not helpful... please refrain
[07:50] <Guest477> :)
[07:50] <LaserJock> Guest477: I'm being helpful, please listen ;-)
[07:50] <mhz_food> lol
[07:51] <cbx33> Guest477, I suggest you listen to LaserJock 
[07:51] <cbx33> he is a very good friend and extremely knowledgable, much more so than I
[07:51] <Guest477> cbx33 > my level of experience may exceed that of his advice
[07:51] <LaserJock> Guest477: we can show you both ways if you want, but you are better off starting with the way I showed you
[07:51] <Guest477> yuours is more on par with my ?'s
[07:51] <Guest477> i have started thank you laser
[07:52] <LaserJock> for instance, cbx33's lines are localized so you might not get a fast connection
[07:52] <Guest477> i will pursue this of my own accord from here thanks
[07:52] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:52] <cbx33> my my
[07:52] <LaserJock> I was going to show him everything
[07:52] <LaserJock> oh well
[07:52] <cbx33> no no LaserJock he knew it all already
[07:52] <cbx33> :p
[07:53] <cbx33> I'm sorry, it was all my fault :(
[07:53] <LaserJock> heck no
[07:53] <LaserJock> you were helping him out
[07:53] <mhz_food> ?
[07:54] <mhz_food> well...it happens at least once a day on any channel...
[07:54] <mhz_food> now it was out time
[07:54] <mhz_food> :)
[07:54] <LaserJock> cbx33: gmail
[08:12] <Guest477> cbx33 > thanks only to your direct answers i have successfully updated my /etc/apt/soures.list and am updating with sun java files
[08:12] <Guest477> cbx33 thank you again for your candor :)
[08:13] <Guest477> and fyi laserjock, the repositories needed were not in my list of available repositories to enable, ty for learning :)
[08:13] <Guest477> God bless you all and have a terrific day
[08:15] <LaserJock> well, for Guest477's information, probably https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu explains it better than me :-)
[08:19] <mhz_food> yeah!
[08:20] <mhz> LaserJock: in #moin, we have a bot that when you use wiki:UbuntuRepositories (for example), it imediately provides the full URL
[08:20] <mhz> well, it works for one level pages (not subpages)
[08:21] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:21] <LaserJock> that's pretty cool
[08:21] <mhz> indeed
[08:21] <LaserJock> that's the only thing I'm not liking about the wiki move
[08:22] <mhz> yup
[08:22] <LaserJock> we went from wiki.ubuntu.com to help.ubuntu.com/community
[08:22] <LaserJock> more typing for me :(
[08:22] <mhz> but maybe we could have a similar bot, that provides a couple of coincidences
[08:22] <mhz> and for everyone :D
[08:28] <cbx33> LaserJock, how did the doc team meeting go
[08:28] <cbx33> was the ESA goign to help.ubu brought up?
[08:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: ah yes, I did bring it up
[08:31] <LaserJock> mdke said that if Edubuntu wants a doc on help.ubuntu.com just send an email to the ubuntu-doc list
[08:32] <LaserJock> the doc team will just check it over to make sure it meets the doc-team standards (stuff like good spelling and grammar, valid HTML probably) 
[08:32] <LaserJock> and it will be added
[08:36] <cbx33> ok cool
[08:36] <Burgwork> LaserJock, we have standards?
[08:37] <LaserJock> well, yeah know, gotta make up something ;-)
[08:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, will you handle that?
[08:40] <cbx33> or do you want me to send the mail?
[08:40] <LaserJock> cbx33: why don't you do it
[08:41] <cbx33> ok
[09:13] <mhz> Does anyone know when next UCC meeting is?
[09:18] <Burgwork> mhz, fridge shoudl have it
[09:18] <mhz> oh, I forget there is fridge...
[09:22] <mhz> Burgwork: hmm. nope. I dont see it on fridge, nor on #ubuntu-meeting
[09:22] <mhz> next 14 days...no UCC meeting
[09:25] <mhz> Burgwork: and not even on August 2006
[09:39] <pygi> Burgwork, yay :)
[09:43] <Burgwork> pygi, yay?
[09:44] <pygi> Burgwork, nothing :) Any new on SoC student? all good?
[09:44] <Burgwork> nothing, but I have been crazy busy helping my parents move
[09:44] <mhz> ogra is one of your parents?
[09:44] <mhz> :D
[09:45] <Burgwork> no, thankfully/sadly
[09:45] <mhz_work> hehe
[11:14] <mhz_work> any one here using GvR?
[11:15] <Burgwork> mhz_work, gvr?
[11:15] <mhz_work> Guido van Robot
[11:15] <LaserJock> haha
[11:15] <Burgwork> ah
[11:15] <mhz_work> by Guido Van Rossom, afaik
[11:16] <mhz_work> the creator of pyton?
[11:16] <mhz_work> http://gvr.sourceforge.net/
[11:16] <mhz_work> it is supposed to be great tool to intoduce programming to people like me or kids with no idea of programming at all
[11:17] <mhz_work> so, my question should have been: Anyone using GvR at schools or alike?
[11:23] <mhz_work> !seen jelkner
[11:23] <ubotu> I haven't seen jelkner recently
[11:23] <mhz_work> !lastseen jelkner
[11:23] <ubotu> I know nothing about lastseen jelkner - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:23] <mhz_work> !last seen jelkner
[11:23] <ubotu> I know nothing about last seen jelkner - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:23] <pygi> !seen jelkner
[11:23] <ubotu> I haven't seen jelkner recently
[11:23] <pygi> there mhz_work :)
[11:24] <mhz_work> yeah, that was 1st option, thx
[11:24] <mhz_work> i need someone, ideally with teaching experience on python
[11:24] <mhz_work> afaik, jelkner has
[11:24] <mhz_work> and is very into GvR too
[11:24] <mhz_work> or GVRng
[11:25] <mhz_work> next generation
[11:56] <th1a> mhz_work:  I'll be seeing jelkner this weekend.
[12:11] <mhz_work> th1a: cool