[12:08] <kwwii> and I cannot reboot my laptop now! charlize theron is looking hot as aeon flux
[12:09] <pygi> Don't worry, no need to test right now :P
[12:09] <kwwii> man, I dig that chick
[12:09] <kwwii> oh no... the other system has booted
[12:09] <kwwii> I will test it anyway :p
[12:09] <pygi> :p
[12:11] <kwwii> erm, perhaps you should explain to me the whole thing about bzr...I have never tried it before :p
[12:11] <kwwii> how does one install it, in general?
[12:11] <pygi> apt-get install bzr? :)
[12:12] <kwwii> erm, yeah....hehe sorry
[12:12] <pygi> no worries :)
[12:12] <crimsun> make sure you install python-crypto and python-paramiko, too
[12:12] <kwwii> charlize is too much for me
[12:13] <pygi> crimsun, we should bzr depend() on it
[12:13] <kwwii> oh shit...it wants some CD I no longer have
[12:13] <pygi> kwwii, who wants cd? bzr?
[12:13] <kwwii> apt-get
[12:13] <pygi> why would it want a cd for bzr? you added cd with apt-cdrom or something?
[12:14] <kwwii> dependencies I guess
[12:14] <kwwii> I found a CD that fits
[12:14] <pygi> can't you just download them? :P
[12:14] <pygi> ah,ok
[12:14] <kwwii> it wants them from the cd for some reason
[12:14] <kwwii> I guess I could call apt-get in another manner or such
[12:14] <kwwii> but I am a newbie
[12:14] <kwwii> :p
[12:18] <pygi> kwwii, :P
[12:18] <pygi> tell once bzr is installed :P
[12:18] <kwwii> yeah, I got that installed already...stupid from me
[12:19] <kwwii> got the branch too now
[12:19] <kwwii> trying it
[12:19] <pygi> python-crypto and python-paramiko also?
[12:19] <pygi> hm, oki :)
[12:19] <Riddell> crimsun: pong
[12:19] <Riddell> kwwii: it's not trivial to programme that dialogue as I remember
[12:20] <kwwii> Riddell: so we could do something like the mockup on the wiki?
[12:20] <Riddell> kwwii: URL?
[12:20] <crimsun> Riddell: hi. I'd like to improve runtime multiple-sound card support via kmix and was wondering if you've looked into doing it via kmix (or can point me to a more appropriate vector)
[12:20] <kwwii> one second, loading
[12:20] <danimo> rraphink: all done
[12:21] <crimsun> Riddell: I'll spec it out, but the idea is to tie asoundconf(1) set-default-card to Kmix's Select Master Channel -> Current Mixer
[12:22] <kwwii> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas ... Shutdown screen
[12:22] <Riddell> crimsun: Christian Esken is the kmix maintainer esken@kde.org
[12:22] <crimsun> Riddell: ok, thank you
[12:23] <Riddell> kwwii: looks really nice but not very easy to code
[12:24] <Riddell> kwwii: dunno, can't be that hard but I doubt I'll find time to do it
[12:24] <kwwii> Riddell: What needs to be done to do that?
[12:24] <kwwii> Riddell: perhaps I can find someone
[12:24] <kwwii> is it a kde style, or is it something else?
[12:25] <kwwii> pygi: sorry, but ./olive-gtk does nothing for me
[12:25] <Riddell> kwwii: it's not a style, it's all hard coded in kdebase/ksmserver/shutdowndlg.cpp
[12:26] <pygi> kwwii, "sh olive-gtk then"?
[12:26] <pygi> kwwii, in the root of the dir?
[12:26] <pygi> or you could just use setup to install the application
[12:26] <pygi> "sh olive-gtk" 
[12:26] <kwwii> well, "source" does more
[12:26] <kwwii> but it does not seem to start
[12:26] <kwwii> one second
[12:27] <kwwii> sh does the same thing as source
[12:27] <kwwii> the cursor changes
[12:27] <kwwii> and nothing else
[12:27] <kwwii> ppc of course
[12:27] <kwwii> I only have ppc machines, sorry :-(
[12:27] <pygi> that shouldnt be a problem
[12:28] <pygi> hm, anyone else here has a ppc machine who can confirm kwwii bug?
[12:29] <pygi> kwwii, I really see no issue in having Olive run  on ppc machine
[12:29] <kwwii> I do get a nifty crosshair icon
[12:30] <sebas> Is that python code?
[12:30] <pygi> sebas, aha
[12:30] <kwwii> I installed the python stuff that was suggested
[12:30] <kwwii> first
[12:30] <sebas> I've had that problem some time ago, the shebang was broken, so it would run python code through sh.
[12:30] <kwwii> hi sebas
[12:31] <kwwii> my hero
[12:31] <Riddell> sebas!
[12:31] <sebas> Evaluating import (from imagemagick) ... *very* interesting effect :-)
[12:31] <sebas> Hi :)
[12:31] <kwwii> sebas: I will never forget what you did...I owe you a beer eternally
[12:31] <Riddell> sebas: back from holiday?
[12:31] <sebas> Back from vacation, and half-way through the stack of emails.
[12:31] <pygi> kwwii, first and second post
[12:31] <sebas> kwwii: Gooooooooooooooooood :-)
[12:32] <Riddell> that was a quick three weeks
[12:32] <pygi> www.phanatic.hu
[12:32] <sebas> Riddell: Yeah, added some time to recover
[12:32] <kwwii> sebas: you just have to come to bayern to get it :-)
[12:32] <sebas> Ow, and I'm officially addicted to port wine now.
[12:32] <sebas> kwwii: Next board-meeting in Nuernberg? :P
[12:33] <rraphink> danimo: you should be able to upload now
[12:33] <sebas> http://vizzzion.org/?id=gallery&gcat=Portugal <- Evidence
[12:33] <pygi> kwwii, there you have shoots of UI
[12:34] <kwwii> sebas: I'll be there :-)
[12:34] <kwwii> hehe, nice pics :-)))))
[12:34] <sebas> kwwii: That is going to be a long and painful night :>
[12:34] <pygi> kwwii, ergh:P
[12:34] <pygi> kwwii, try "python olive-gtk"
[12:34] <kwwii> http://vizzzion.org/?id=viewpic&gcat=Portugal&gpic=IMG_8358.JPG#images you found beer in portugal!!!1
[12:35] <sebas> Sure, tourist place ;)
[12:36] <kwwii> pygi: nothing as well, even less actually as the cursor did not change
[12:36] <pygi> kwwii, hm, interesting
[12:36] <pygi> you saw the shoots on the page?
[12:36] <pygi> also please try to install olive throught setup.py
[12:38] <kwwii> I tried setup.py and nothing happened
[12:39] <pygi> kwwii, uh, care to file a bug?
[12:39] <kwwii> pygi: from the screenshots, I guess we can make things a bit easier
[12:40] <pygi> https://launchpad.net/products/olive
[12:40] <kwwii> well, the extra commit screen is unnecessary 
[12:40] <kwwii> hehe, let the race begin :-)
[12:41] <pygi> :)
[12:41] <kwwii> I think that we can make something very interesting
[12:41] <kwwii> but I need to really understand things in advance
[12:41] <pygi> hehe , oki, whatever you need just ask :P
[12:42] <pygi> and please, submit a bug about your situation:P
[12:43] <kwwii> pygi: I will try it again tomorrow, when my head is clear again and then file a bug :-)
[12:43] <kwwii> time for bed soon
[12:43] <pygi> oki, enjoy :)
[12:44] <sebas> kwwii: Did you have those creme-brulle pastry in PT?
[12:45] <crimsun> hmm, that's an impressive Kopete crash
[12:48] <omeow> Can someone using edgy on x86 install zsnes and tell me if it segfaults on startup? 
[12:50] <pygi> omeow, I could try it later if you want
[12:50] <omeow> Yes, please.
[12:52] <pygi> ok, poke me if I don't do it once I start being alive :P
[12:53] <omeow> Sure. :)
[12:54] <kwwii> hehe
[12:55] <kwwii> my wlan went down, sorry, I missed everything you said in the last minutes I guess
[12:56] <pygi> kwwii, :P
[01:08] <omeow> mornfall, don't you just love users who resolve their own bugs if problems get fixed? =P
[01:09] <omeow> I've been a good little user. BUG:131161
[01:09] <pygi> ubotu, bug #131161
[01:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about bug #131161 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:09] <pygi> ubugtu, bug #131161
[01:09] <omeow> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131161
[01:09] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131161 in general "preview changes does not list the changes to be made" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme]  
[01:10] <pygi> omeow, that one? 
[01:10] <omeow> Yes.
[01:10] <pygi> worksforme? that isnt resolved :P
[01:10] <omeow> Well, I can't do anything else to it.
[01:33] <Riddell> \sh_away: new py qt4 out
[01:33] <omeow> The world is doomed, pygi left and nobody will try out zsnes. =/
[01:55] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[01:55] <Riddell> danimo: yo
[01:55] <danimo> Riddell: my isp had problems
[01:56] <danimo> Riddell: do you know if my message regarding my key still came through?
[01:56] <danimo> Riddell: rraphink is offline already
[01:57] <Riddell> 23:33 < rraphink> danimo: you should be able to upload now
[01:58] <danimo> Riddell: ah, cool
[01:58] <Riddell> so debuild -S  and make sure it's signed with your key
[01:58] <danimo> Riddell: I did
[01:58] <Riddell> then  dput revu foo.changes
[01:58] <Riddell> apt-get install dput  if you don't already have it
[01:59] <danimo> Riddell: no, it's ok
[01:59] <danimo> Riddell: I have uploaded
[02:02] <Riddell> erk, you re-libtoolised
[02:02] <Riddell> are you using edgy or dapper?
[02:04] <danimo> Riddell: dapper, it's my frigging production machine
[02:04] <danimo> Riddell: aren't they compatible?
[02:04] <Riddell> edgy has a newer autoconf, it makes the diff very large.  but it's not really a problem
[02:04] <Riddell> danimo: where is this patch from?
[02:05] <danimo> Riddell: the author gave it to me, the kopete OSCAR maintainer
[02:05] <danimo> Riddell: he is trying to get a freeze exception from coolo
[02:05] <danimo> Riddell: since the bug it fixes is pretty significant
[02:05] <danimo> Riddell: so it might not be needed by 3.5.4 final
[02:05] <danimo> s/by/for/
[02:06] <danimo> we'll see once the patch conflicts :)
[02:06] <Riddell> I'm not using kopete from 3.5.4, I'll just keep it as a separate source and not generate it from kdenetwork
[02:07] <Riddell> looks good
[02:07] <danimo> Riddell: ok, fine
[02:07] <Riddell> for best practice name the patch kubuntu_xx_foo.diff, makes it clear that it's from kubuntu and not debian.  also put the filename of the patch in the changelog so you can grep for it
[02:07] <danimo> Riddell: but won't 3.5.4 be released before edgy freezes?
[02:08] <danimo> Riddell: aye, will remember
[02:08] <Riddell> yes, I'll just not make a kopete package from it
[02:08] <danimo> Riddell: why is there one on revu then?
[02:09] <Riddell> kopete is part of kdenetwork but they've also made their own separate releases
[02:09] <danimo> ah
[02:09] <danimo> right, I remember
[02:09] <Riddell> the one on revu is the package of the separate release
[02:10] <Riddell> we'll use the separate release in edgy
[02:10] <danimo> Riddell: why? 
[02:10] <danimo> isn't 3.5.4 going to be released with something > 0.12.1 ?
[02:11] <Riddell> I don't know if it'll have changes compated to 0.12.1 in it
[02:11] <Riddell> I was expecting it to == 0.12.1
[02:11] <danimo> Riddell: well, fixes like this one
[02:11] <Riddell> danimo: package uploaded, many thanks, check back on the launchpad page tomorrow to see if it has compiled https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kopete
[02:13] <danimo> Riddell: the upload doesn't show up in the changelog atm
[02:13] <Riddell> it'll take a few minutes to be picked up by launchpad
[02:13] <danimo> ok
[02:13] <danimo> I will seize that time to let my bed pick me up ;)
[02:15] <danimo> Riddell: excuse my ignorance nut who is billy piper?
[02:15] <danimo> Riddell: I recently got the new dr. who episodes btw. I will start to watch them next week
[02:16] <danimo> Riddell: oh, rose tyler? interesting :)
[02:17] <Riddell> the Doctor's Assistant
[02:17] <danimo> Riddell: yes
[02:17] <Riddell> maybe I should clarify that in my blog for those not familiar with her genius
[02:17] <danimo> Riddell: I have to admint that I was completely unaware of dr. who since about one week ago
[02:18] <danimo> Riddell: I was watching the pilot for the new (2005) episodes
[02:18] <danimo> Riddell: that's where she first appeared I guess
[02:18] <Riddell> yes
[02:19] <danimo> Riddell: my favourite quote from that one was "They used to call it an ipod" :)
[02:19] <Riddell> that's the second episode
[02:19] <danimo> Riddell: (pointing at an old wurlizer)
[02:20] <danimo> Riddell: yes, I know
[02:20] <danimo> Riddell: I have both here and the guy who showed to to me recommended to watch both pilots
[02:26] <danimo> Riddell: no wait, it's first episode
[02:26] <danimo> both of them
[02:27] <Riddell> first episode is walking shop dummies, second is future space st
[02:27] <Riddell> station
[02:27] <danimo> Riddell: ah, right
[02:32] <imbrandon_> ahh dr who, i love that show ( and billie piper hehe )
[02:32] <danimo> Riddell: but hey, there is your chance for product placement ;)
[02:32] <danimo> Riddell: I know how you like it
[02:37] <imbrandon_> omg Riddell , billie was at the kubuntu stand in LRL ? /me should have went
[03:02] <bddebian> Hello
[03:03] <freeflying|away> bddebian: hi
[03:05] <bddebian> Heya freeflying|away
[03:21] <imbrandon_> arg Riddell what shows have air'd in the UK for dr who ? any of the 2006 ones ?
[04:29] <nixternal> imbrandon_: you don't have BBS world on your sat?
[04:30] <imbrandon_> nope ;(
[04:30] <imbrandon_> been looking for the 2006 ep on torrent ;) shhh
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Hey mornfall Looks like you got overlooked :-)
[04:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yo
[04:57] <nixternal> wasabi DaSkreech
[04:58] <DaSkreech> How goes?
[04:58] <nixternal> its goin'
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Saw the DW review of Edgy? 
[05:03] <nixternal> don't htink i have
[05:04] <Hobbsee> nope
[05:04] <DaSkreech> They said it was boring
[05:04] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: kubuntu or ubuntu?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> I would assume Ubuntu though the reviewer obviously has opinions on Kubunth
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Every review where a choice was given she choose KDE as the option
[05:06] <Hobbsee> i'm not surprised
[05:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:06] <Hobbsee> kubuntu hasnt changed *that* much yet
[05:07] <DaSkreech> Well yeah :-)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> dapper wasnt such a bad release for kubuntu, really
[05:08] <Hobbsee> i mean, there were a few major problems, like printing, and upgrading, but apart from them...
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Yeah 
[05:10] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, and the lack of translations installed by default
[05:10] <DaSkreech> DW had Fedora as the best Distro out for the first half of the year
[05:29] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: DW?
[05:29] <crimsun> [distrowatch] 
[05:30] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:30] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, of course.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> whee!  more busted automake.
[05:44] <DaSkreech> KDE 3.5.4 starts today?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it started being tagged yesterday, keep it quiet.
[05:44] <DaSkreech> It was in the Commit digest :) That's not very quiet :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, no, keep it quiet around #kubuntu particularly - seeing as there are no kubuntu packages yet
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Oh Yeah :)
[05:45] <DaSkreech> I'm stirring up other trouble in there
[05:45] <crimsun> woo 3.5.4ponies
[05:46] <DaSkreech> OMG Ponies!!!
[05:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: how's it broken?
[05:46] <crimsun> I didn't say it's broken
[05:47] <crimsun> you smacked me; I threw something at you
[05:47] <Hobbsee> sure sure.  breakfast time.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Horlicks :)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> right, breakfast eaten.
[05:53] <DaSkreech> You are worse than I am
[05:53] <DaSkreech> That says quote a lot
[05:54] <imbrandon_> heh /notice #kubuntu kde 3.5.4 is out
[05:54] <imbrandon_> heh /notice #kubuntu but shhhhh
[05:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Changelog?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: go ahead, just be aware of all the billions of questions you get right after it
[05:55] <imbrandon_> lol nah
[05:55] <Hobbsee> ah, i do have a changelog
[05:55] <imbrandon_> DaSkreech: kde.org ? 
[05:55] <DaSkreech> It just occured to me I haven't been there in ages
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Stupid RSS feeds
[05:57] <crimsun> wow, I was joking before, but apparently kopete really was just fixed.
[05:57] <freeflying> imbrandon: kde354 is out?
[05:58] <imbrandon_> freeflying: kinda not really
[06:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying: it's being tagged
[06:00] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, i fixed it.
[06:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: who do i bug about an upload to dapper-updates?  that's mdz or kamion, isnt it?
[06:01] <freeflying> Hobbsee: have you build latest kopete for dapper?
[06:01] <crimsun> Hobbsee: the former, yep
[06:01] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ahhhh...possibly.  
[06:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: kamion did it last time, iirc?
[06:03] <crimsun> Hobbsee: I've not approached kamion for them, but feel free if he approved last time
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Sweet k3b can burn bluRay
[06:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: okay
[06:08] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what should the first few lines of a patch be?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> --- kio_beagle/admin/cvs.sh     2006/05/23 10:01:43     543983
[06:08] <Hobbsee> +++ kio_beagle/admin/cvs.sh     2006/06/28 19:26:30     555946
[06:08] <Hobbsee> @@ -32,7 +32,7 @@
[06:08] <Hobbsee> doesnt seem to work.
[06:09] <crimsun> it fails with patch?
[06:09] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, cant find the file.
[06:10] <crimsun> are you passing the correct -p (and possibly -d, since the diff -u header is missing)?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'd assumed it was -p0...how do i tell?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> (and why does the patching thing have to be on later tonight hehe?)
[06:11] <crimsun> where is cvs.sh relative to $(pwd)? 
[06:11] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what's $(pwd)?
[06:11] <crimsun> the current working directory given by the command ``pwd''
[06:12] <Hobbsee> crimsun: admin/cvs.sh
[06:12] <Hobbsee> crimsun: assuming that pwd is to be run from the source dir.
[06:13] <Hobbsee> oh, hang on.
[06:13] <Hobbsee> crimsun: retrying
[06:13] <Hobbsee> crimsun: it looks like that applied cleanly this time - no idea why it didnt when i tried it before.
[06:16] <crimsun> Hobbsee: same $(pwd)?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i think so, i'm not sure.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> crimsun: it's so annoying - i made this patch work before in other packages..
[06:17] <crimsun> what command did you use to generate the diff?
[06:18] <crimsun> -p2 would have been correct given your $(pwd), but you can use -p1 with -d admin
[06:18] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i just tried it with p0 again, iirc.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> crimsun: how do i know which p to use?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> crimsun: Riddell generated the diff
[06:19] <Hobbsee> crimsun: the patch doesnt seem to apply properly.
[06:19] <crimsun> Hobbsee: -p refers to how many leading '/' there are
[06:19] <Hobbsee> ahh..
[06:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: if iv'e got two patches, 00 and 01, modifyign the same file, should i combine them or what?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> or can i just leave them separate, and they still end up working
[06:23] <crimsun> aorcehurac. argh
[06:23] <crimsun> sorry, connection/lag problems
[06:24] <crimsun> Hobbsee: they may apply with fuzz
[06:24] <crimsun> Hobbsee: depends if they overlap
[06:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i dont think they overlap
[06:24] <crimsun> then you should be fine
[06:26] <Hobbsee> patching file admin/cvs.sh
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Hunk #1 succeeded at 29 with fuzz 1 (offset -3 lines).
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Hunk #2 succeeded at 44 with fuzz 1 (offset -3 lines).
[06:26] <Hobbsee> crimsun: eek?
[06:27] <crimsun> well if they applied, then you're generally ok, but I'd go ahead and tweak the diff{,s} to apply cleanly
[06:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, it cant have applied correctly, as i still get the error.
[06:28] <crimsun> Hobbsee: then it's the header, which I've experienced, too
[06:28] <crimsun> what I ended up doing was regenerating the diff using diff -uNr
[06:29] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i do that how?  make the changes manually, build, then debdiff, or what?
[06:30] <crimsun> hand-apply the diffs and generate diff -uNr against a directory without them applied
[06:30] <crimsun> emacs and vim both have tools to automate them; I think pitti will discuss them
[06:31] <crimsun> kate probably does, too, but I'm a kde newb
[06:36] <Hobbsee> bleh.
[06:40] <ajmitch> giving up already?
[06:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: well....yes.
[06:41] <ajmitch> I tend to do it all manually
[06:41] <ajmitch> why is it that everytime I see you I get attacked?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> i should have gotten you to teach me how to do it
[06:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because its' fun.  and not always.
[06:43] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: remember tickling my feet, and then rethink your statement.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah!
[06:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: enjoy :)
[06:46] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:07] <Hobbsee> hi all new people.
[07:07] <abattoir> hehe
[07:08] <crimsun> hi Hobbsee, who are you?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i dont know, i've forgotten.
[07:08] <pygi> hm? 
[07:10] <Hobbsee> pygi: nothing, just people joining
[07:13] <imbrandon> i dident just join , does that mean i'm an old people ?
[07:13] <pygi> imbrandon, lol :)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i refuse to answer that on the basis that it might incriminate me
[07:16] <pygi> Hobbsee, what have I advised you about auto-join? :P
[07:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:21] <imbrandon> hrm ok , i'll have a few minutes to look at it here after bit
[07:43] <Hobbsee> kmobiletools needs an upgrade - any takers?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> same deal with kid3
[07:46] <Hobbsee> and kdar, but i had trouble with that one.
[07:53] <rraphink> 
[07:54] <Hobbsee> rraphink: yay!
[07:55] <rraphink> 60 of them :)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> (why's it so quiet in here?)
[08:05] <raphink> good question
[08:06] <pygi> raphink, how's presentation coming along? :P
[08:06] <raphink> presentation?
[08:07] <raphink> pygi: haven't begun to work on it yet
[08:07] <raphink> it's in 2 months
[08:09] <raphink> hehe
[08:10] <pygi> raphink, :)
[08:10] <raphink> how are you doing otherwise?
[08:11] <pygi> All great, just kinda busy as all randomly poke entire day wanting something :P
[08:11] <pygi> what about you?
[08:11] <raphink> good too :)
[08:12] <raphink> busy, too :)
[08:12] <pygi> joy :)
[08:12] <raphink> getting ready to go to work
[08:12] <pygi> :P
[08:12] <Hobbsee> bleh. work.
[08:13] <raphink> yeah
[08:13] <Hobbsee> how dull and boring.
[08:13] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:13] <raphink> hmm depends on your work
[08:26] <danimo> moin Hobbsee
[08:27] <Hobbsee> hi danimo 
[08:27] <danimo> Hobbsee: I got a revd and messed with your kopete package
[08:27] <Hobbsee> danimo: you did the kopete fix, i take it :P
[08:27] <danimo> revu even
[08:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: sounds good to me :)
[08:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: I didn't author it, but I pushed and tested kt
[08:28] <danimo> it
[08:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: fine
[08:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: it's in main now, i cant do antyhing with it :P
[08:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: hmm?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: thanks for the patch :)
[08:28] <danimo> no prob
[08:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: i've only got universe uploads - i need to poke others to upload to main
[08:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, I can only upload to revu, so... :)
[08:29] <Hobbsee> danimo: any other patches we should take?  oh, and who uploaded yours, btw?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe, true
[08:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: I uploaded the patch to revu in the kopete package and jonathan picked it up for kdenetwork
[08:30] <danimo> oh, not kdenetwork
[08:30] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah right.  and you mean for kopete :P
[08:30] <danimo> but you know what I mean
[08:30] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah, i do
[08:30] <crimsun> there's still a crasher somewhere. It just crashed on me ~20 minutes ago in the middle of a jabber conversation; I'll attempt to get a better bt
[08:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: sorry, I just got up 3 minutes ago
[08:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: not a problem at all :)
[08:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: and I didn't sleep for more than like 5 hours
[08:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: the only reason i ask to be notified at all is so that we dont have 2 or three versions of the same thing, all done by different people.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> ouch :(
[08:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, I wanted to, but you were (not yet) online, so I decided to tell you, well, after getting up again
[08:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: different time zones suck :)
[08:32] <Hobbsee> danimo: sounds fine to me :)  there's also email, which i do read
[08:32] <Hobbsee> danimo: urgh, yeah, australia's terrible for other timezones.
[08:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: which wouldn't have helped given that it was like 3 or 4 am'ish for you
[08:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: well, yeah
[08:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: I'll notify you next time, though
[08:33] <danimo> no problem
[08:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: this is all new for me, I got a crash course on package maintainance yesterday
[08:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: I'm a developer, not a packager, remember :)
[08:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe, true
[08:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: you develop...what...
[08:34] <Hobbsee> i see your name a lot - i can just never remember where :P
[08:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: oh, Kontact. well I should
[08:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: I haven't gotten to hacking lately
[08:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahhh :)
[08:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: oh, and I wrote kbattleship with nikolas
[08:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: my first C++/Qt project ever, highly embaressing code :)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> danimo: ooh really!  tha'ts a cool game!
[08:35] <Hobbsee> danimo: couldnt make it work multiplayer though :P
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hehe - i might have to go look
[08:35] <danimo> well, it's a bit old-looking
[08:35] <Hobbsee> well, yeah...and?
[08:35] <danimo> what's the prob with multiplayer?
[08:36] <danimo> Hobbsee: and I (officially still) maintan kcontol, but shhhh! ;)
[08:36] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehehehe....
[08:36] <danimo> Hobbsee: don't, really
[08:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: I haven't been doing anything significant in kde for like 6 months now
[08:37] <Hobbsee> danimo: i dont really remember, it wouldnt connect.  not terribly helpful, i'll have to getmore info later
[08:37] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahh okay
[08:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: CTCP'ing me? :)
[08:37] <Hobbsee> danimo: yep :)
[08:38] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: arg i forgot, ok that willl give me something to work on
[08:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehehe
[08:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: I hope to have some time next month
[08:38] <Hobbsee> danimo: ;0
[08:38] <Hobbsee> *:)
[08:38] <Hobbsee> my shift key hates me, it really does.
[08:39] <Hobbsee> danimo: you're welcome to fix all that section :P
[08:39] <danimo> Hobbsee: what section?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> danimo: well, kcontrol/system settings.
[08:39] <danimo> Hobbsee: that was my last contribution I think: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1241
[08:40] <danimo> Hobbsee: that's such a highly controversive game, I hate touching anything there, really
[08:40] <Hobbsee> danimo: nice :0
[08:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:40] <danimo> Hobbsee: rule of the thumb: have a good reason to change things just a bit, otherwise your users will kill you
[08:40] <Hobbsee> danimo: of course. i seem to get that here too
[08:41] <danimo> Hobbsee: if you do a complete overhaul that's fine, but don't do it more than once in the lifetime of a KDE b/c release
[08:41] <Hobbsee> speaking of which - *ssh's into imbrandon's machine, and adds tonio_'s patch to kopete*
[08:41] <Hobbsee> danimo: true
[08:41] <Hobbsee> b/c?
[08:41] <danimo> Hobbsee: and always have a usability guy to cover your ass :)
[08:41] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah yes, of course :P
[08:41] <danimo> Hobbsee: binary compatible, like 3.x, 4.x
[08:42] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: if you get time can you make a sidbuild script on intrepid ?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[08:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: grumble.  ah, yeah?
[08:42] <imbrandon> hehe just if you find the time, it should be buildt into pbuilder
[08:43] <imbrandon> as far as the repos etc, i can give you my sid sources.list if you want ;)
[08:43] <imbrandon> then i can make intrepid do dapper / edgy / sid nightlys
[08:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i'll need that.
[08:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: email it to me.
[08:44] <imbrandon> Hobbsee:  its only two lines ;) not like dapper / edgy sources.list 
[08:44] <imbrandon> deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
[08:44] <imbrandon> deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
[08:45] <imbrandon> i have debian-multimeda.org too but i dont wanna use that for the pbuilder
[08:47] <imbrandon> hahaha i was thinking the same thing
[08:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:47] <danimo> s/TV/DVD/
[08:47] <imbrandon> man i have been torrenting all night trying to find season 2 epsidodes since they dident/wont show them in the US
[08:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: me too, a friend suggested to watch some new dr. who eposides, which was a good idea :)
[08:48] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe :)  we're watching them here - it's fun
[08:48] <danimo> imbrandon: too bad
[08:48] <imbrandon> they show'd all season 1 then cancled it here
[08:48] <imbrandon> ;(
[08:48] <imbrandon> i love that show
[08:48] <imbrandon> heh
[08:48] <danimo> imbrandon: well, they never aired it in germany
[08:49] <imbrandon> so past the christmass invasion i havent seen
[08:49] <danimo> and by the time they do, they'll air a poorly dubbed version I guess
[08:49] <imbrandon> but i'm looking for the torrent or a place to buy the dvd
[08:49] <imbrandon> danimo: yea
[08:49] <imbrandon> that sux
[08:50] <imbrandon> its one of the very few tv shows i actualy watch
[08:50] <imbrandon> i think that and 4400 is all
[08:50] <danimo> imbrandon: yes, nobody except a buddy from uni and me actually seemed to like 4400 here
[08:51] <danimo> imbrandon: I thought it was interesting
[08:51] <imbrandon> yea the second season is airing now in the US
[08:51] <imbrandon> infact every sunday night at 8pm ;)
[08:51] <imbrandon> err 3rd
[08:51] <danimo> imbrandon: first season is over now (they sent two episodes every monday night)
[08:52] <imbrandon> 3rd season is airing here sorry
[08:52] <danimo> imbrandon: now they show surface, and it sucks
[08:52] <danimo> imbrandon: I'd love to see the second one
[08:52] <imbrandon> yea i have 1 and 2 on dvd
[08:53] <imbrandon> danimo: you can get the second one on dvd ( read: /torrent/ ) easy
[08:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:53] <danimo> imbrandon: yes, but I don't have time to watch it anyway until the end of the month
[08:53] <imbrandon> true but at 8+ gig might start downloading now so you can watch it at the end of the month ;)
[08:54] <danimo> imbrandon: true :)
[08:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: this is makin me mad now, if it kills me i'll have nightlys for edgy working 
[08:56] <imbrandon> by moring
[08:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe
[09:01] <imbrandon> moins jsgotangco \sh
[09:01] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:01] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco and \sh 
[09:01] <\sh> moins
[09:02] <ajmitch> hello \sh 
[09:08] <danimo> heya \sh
[09:08] <danimo> \sh: how is the KDE 4 stuff going?
[09:10] <\sh> danimo: If everything works out, in 5 days I have more time...actually I'm in stress mode real life work takes all my time right now)
[09:10] <danimo> \sh: sounds familar
[09:10] <danimo> 5 days is great
[09:10] <danimo> by that time I am hopefully done with the writing stuff, too
[09:33] <seaLne> Hobbsee: i'm working on kmobiletools (as you can see from revu) but there are some problems that i need to fix, i've not really been near computers much for the last week and a half
[09:34] <Hobbsee> seaLne: right, okay.  want me to take a look?
[09:35] <seaLne> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2690 i know the problem just need time to get it done, today will be behindubuntu stuff tommorow i'll look at it
[09:36] <Hobbsee> seaLne: okay cool
[10:34] <omeow> The sleeper has awaken.
[10:35] <Hobbsee> hi omeow 
[10:37] <omeow> Hi.
[10:37] <omeow> Hobbsee, could you do me a favor and install zsnes, launch it via the shell and tell me if it crashes?
[11:02] <hungerW> How can I get rid of those really annoying close buttons on tabs?
[11:03] <imbrandon> hungerW: for ?
[11:03] <pygi> Hobbsee, poke? 
[11:04] <hungerW> imbrandon: every app that suddenly has them enabled.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> pygi: "a black light comes on in the black room bringing up a black warning that says "please do not press this button again"
[11:05] <imbrandon> heh
[11:06] <hungerW> imbrandon: konqueror and lots of others. The "show close button instead of website icon" is off, but I do still get those damn close buttons.
[11:06] <hungerW> ... which take up about 90% of the space of the tab and get triggered almost everytime I want to use the mouse to switch tabs.
[11:07] <imbrandon> hrm i havent noticed it honestly and dont know how to change it lol
[11:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm here
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heya!  what would be your thoughts on backporting kopete 0.12 to dapper?
[11:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes please
[11:27] <Riddell> however backports aren't happening yet
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how about dapper updates?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've not checked for it, i'm just playing with thei idea atm
[11:29] <Riddell> it won't get in -updates, that's for small but important fixes
[11:30] <Riddell> you can do a test compile on dapper and file a request for a backport if it works
[11:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, so we'd better chuck a couple of the important fixes into updates then...
[11:30] <Riddell> then it'll be backported if the archive dudes ever manage to get backports working with soyuz
[11:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:30] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:32] <omeow> I give up.
[11:33] <Hobbsee> omeow: what's up?
[11:34] <omeow> I've been trying for two days to find a solution to my non working apostrophe and for the reason why KDM starts up with two screens, and then when I log into KDE, one screen is disabled.
[11:35] <omeow> The latter probably is due to a corruped .kde file, but the apostrophe just stumped me. I have no idea how to fix it.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> omeow: ahh....
[11:35] <Hobbsee> omeow: you use last saved session?
[11:35] <omeow> uh, not conciously... how do I check?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> omeow: system settings, ah....users or something, there's a sessions sectoin
[11:36] <omeow> ah I see it now.
[11:36] <Hobbsee> hit "empty session" and restart kde - see if that kills it off
[11:38] <omeow> Didn't work.
[11:38] <Hobbsee> omeow: darn, okay
[11:39] <omeow> I created a new test user, and when I log in as that user, both screens remain on. So I'm pretty sure it's a corrupted configuration file.
[11:39] <omeow> Yeah, I've been looking for a bit too, can't find it.
[11:39] <omeow> Thing is. When I log out, all my applications crash in the process.
[11:39] <omeow> I saved each backtrace and I'll attach the kwin one to the bug I filed about this.
[11:40] <omeow> Yes, I was thinking about moving it out, and letting KDE redo my settings. But that's a bit annoying. =/
[11:45] <omeow> Here's the bug I filed a few days ago. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131197
[11:45] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131197 in general "KDM starts with two screens, logging in disables one screen and loses window settings" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[11:51] <Hobbsee> good thing i wont be here on friday hehe
[11:51] <Hobbsee> we're *very* close to hitting the limit.  or will be.
	omeow: Report to Kubuntu that you can't get ' to work in your Edgy KTextEdit widgets
[11:53] <danimo> Hobbsee: what bandwith limit?
[11:53] <omeow> KTextEdit widgets are part of kdelibs, right?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> !ping
[11:54] <ubotu> pong
[11:54] <danimo> omeow: yes
[11:55] <omeow> Hm, what's the keyboard stuff part of then? kdelibs as well?
[11:56] <Riddell> X
[11:57] <omeow> It's so strange that none of you seem to have this problem, and I'm fairly sure that we're using the same packages.
[11:58] <omeow> Riddell, all you did to get your apostrophe to work again was switch to the GB layout? How do you type an apostrophe? Just press the key and it inserts the character automaticly or do you have to press apostrophe + space?
[11:58] <omeow> pygi, did you get around installing zsnes yet?
[11:59] <omeow> Riddell, what happens if you use the US layout with the intl variant?
[11:59] <pygi> omeow, on my TODO for today
[11:59] <omeow> Does it stop working then?
[11:59] <omeow> Thanks pygi. :)
[12:01] <Riddell> still works, I just can't type my pound signs
[12:02] <Riddell>  ah, that's better
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why would you want to type pound signs anyway? :P
[12:05] <Riddell> blame the English, I have no paticular attachment to the currency
[12:06] <Hobbsee> hhee
[12:08] <danimo> Riddell: so did you have more of billie piper at the booth than the 5 cm version on the photo? :)
[12:09] <seaLne> K9 was there for a while
[12:09] <danimo> K9?
[12:10] <Riddell> you'll have to watch the rest of the series
[12:10] <danimo> I see....
[12:10] <Riddell> actually that's the 2006 series
[12:10] <danimo> Riddell: later... later.. :)
[12:10] <seaLne> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-9_(Doctor_Who)
[12:11] <danimo> seaLne: what's that mean "was there"?
[12:11] <seaLne> in the same way billie was
[12:11] <Riddell> he got abducted by aliens after the first exhibition day
[12:12] <danimo> seaLne: heh
[12:12] <danimo> who brought the toys?
[12:13] <seaLne> danimo: Riddell 
[12:14] <danimo> you guys have too much time :)
[12:14] <Riddell> hey, we were working hard pimping KDE and Kubuntu
[12:15] <seaLne> it gets boring on a stand
[12:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:15] <danimo> first rule of lying: don't contradict yourselves :)
[12:16] <omeow> hummm, Opera is moving away from QT apparently. =(
[12:17] <Riddell> omeow: reference?
[12:17] <omeow> http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=150913
[12:17] <danimo> omeow: well, it provided little benefit to them
[12:18] <danimo> omeow: they always had their own core toolkit
[12:18] <danimo> omeow: and used Qt merely as the "native" gui libary on linux
[12:18] <omeow> I know. But still. It would be so nice to have KDE file dialogs instead of what is currently used.
[12:19] <danimo> omeow: so what? that's what Portland is for
[12:19] <omeow> What's that?
[12:20] <danimo> omeow: freedesktop.org initiative lead by KDE and GNOME
[12:20] <danimo> omeow: coming from the RUDI concept developed by Martin Konold from KDE
[12:20] <danimo> omeow: the idea is to have a minimal abstract API
[12:20] <danimo> omeow: that apps can link against
[12:20] <danimo> omeow: that API has calls for common things, like file open
[12:21] <danimo> omeow: if an application calls it, the library will then ask the DE to display a file open dialog on behalf of the application
[12:21] <danimo> omeow: that works for quite some dialogs already
[12:22] <danimo> omeow: I was assuming that edgy has portland included already
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo: it doesn't, is portland ready for that?
[12:25] <danimo> Riddell: it's in late beta state afaik
[12:25] <danimo> Riddell: the question is: are there apps out there that support it
[12:25] <danimo> ?
[12:26] <Riddell> not that I know of
[12:26] <Riddell> but we should still package it so that developers can find it
[12:29] <Hobbsee> kde130630
[12:29] <Hobbsee> kde 130630
[12:29] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 130630 in general ""ICQ server thinks the client you are using is too old"" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130630
[02:02] <pygi> kwwii, poke
[02:02] <pygi> and hey :)
[02:02] <kwwii> howdy pygi
[02:03] <pygi> good news for you :)
[02:03] <pygi> bug #54013
[02:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54013 in olive "olive fails silently when glade isn't installed." [Low,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54013
[02:03] <kwwii> so I have to install glade first, you mean?
[02:03] <pygi> well, python bindings to glade
[02:04] <pygi> the patch isnt yet commited, but you should be all set if you have pygtk2 and python-glade2
[02:04] <kwwii> will do
[02:11] <kwwii> is there another name for pygtk2?
[02:12] <kwwii> found it
[02:14] <kwwii> and it starts!
[02:15] <kwwii> very simple, but it works
[02:17] <kwwii> changing computer, brb
[02:18] <kwwii> re
[02:21] <pygi> kwwii, python-gtk2 I would say :P
[02:22] <pygi> so it works, yay :)
[02:22] <kwwii> pygi: yeah, it runs now
[02:25] <pygi> kwwii, nice, so any suggestions, whatever are always welcome ofcourse :)
[02:25] <kwwii> I assume that the left window is for diffferent bzr branches?
[02:25] <kwwii> (the one that is empty now)
[02:25] <pygi> the left window will be for branches/repos that you use
[02:26] <kwwii> yeah
[02:26] <kwwii> that was what I meant
[02:26] <kwwii> :-)
[02:27] <pygi> :)
[02:33] <pygi> kwwii, so suggestions? :)
[02:34] <kwwii> pygi: at this time it is pretty simple
[02:34] <kwwii> some nice icons would be good
[02:34] <danimo> Riddell: why are there new kdelibs packages?
[02:34] <pygi> kwwii, indeed, but I don't have them :(
[02:36] <seaLne> kwwii: what is "current interview", "previous interviews" and "team" in german?
[02:36] <seaLne> also anyone know what they are in french?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> danimo: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.3-1ubuntu9/changelog ?
[02:37] <pygi> kwwii, if you are willing to provide nice icons, that would be great :)
[02:37] <pygi> we also lack two icons as you can see :P
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ooh fun!  were we supposed to have trouble compiling kdenetwork?  http://rafb.net/paste/results/56xycE42.html
[02:39] <kwwii> pygi: not sure how happy people would be to see a gtk program running with oxygen icons :-)
[02:39] <pygi> kwwii, :)
[02:39] <kwwii> but I'll give you some (I pretty much have what you need already, just have to touch them up a bit)
[02:39] <pygi> yay :)
[02:40] <pygi> kwwii, well, I also need icons for QT edition, so feel free to send appropriate ones :)
[02:42] <danimo> Hobbsee: ah, ok. didn't know about that
[02:42] <kwwii> seaLne: note that I am not german...but "vorherige Interview" aktuelle Interview" ..."team" is ok
[02:42] <kwwii> pygi: will do
[02:42] <pygi> thanks kwwii :)
[02:43] <seaLne> thanks
[02:43] <danimo> Hobbsee: but it's comming in for dapper
[02:44] <Hobbsee> danimo: hmm...i cant seem to see the changelog for that
[02:44] <danimo> Hobbsee: backports maybe?
[02:44] <Riddell> danimo: mandriva put out a security update for a konqueror crash so we felt we had to keep up
[02:44] <danimo> ah
[02:44] <danimo> ok
[02:44] <Hobbsee> danimo: i think the backports are screwed?
[02:45] <danimo> Hobbsee: no, I don't think anything, I usually have no clue :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> danimo: heh
[02:45] <Hobbsee> danimo: i thought i was that one.
[02:46] <danimo> Hobbsee: when it comes to ubuntu, it's me
[02:47] <pygi> kwwii, you have the mail I hope :P
[02:51] <raphink> hmmm
[02:51] <raphink> this __s64 error thingy with joystick.h in the linux headers is pretty bad
[02:51] <raphink> anybody has news on it?
[02:52] <seaLne> raphink: what is "current interview", "previous interviews" and "team" in french?
[02:54] <raphink> seaLne: "Entretien en cours", "Entretiens prcdents" et "quipe"
[02:54] <raphink> I'm not that happy with these translations
[02:54] <raphink> :s
[02:54] <seaLne> ta
[03:04] <kwwii> pygi: yepp, I have your email
[03:05] <pygi> kwwii, oki
[03:12] <omeow> After a while my vfat filesystems change to readonly. They start out as read/write.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you around?
[03:12] <mhb> hello to you all
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hi mhb 
[03:12] <Riddell> hello mhb 
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why would i be getting http://rafb.net/paste/results/56xycE42.html when compiling kdenetwork?
[03:13] <omeow> mtab out of sync.
[03:13] <omeow>  /cat/mounts says ro, mount says rw
[03:13] <bddebian> Hello
[03:13] <mhb> Riddell: do you have a minute? I know you're a very busy man, but Ken (kwwii) told me you could give me at least some directions
[03:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: erk, gcc breakage
[03:14] <Riddell> mhb: sure
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, that's what i thought.
[03:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: on dapper?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dapper pbuilder, yeah
[03:14] <mhb> Riddell: I think he talked with you about the mockup of the KDE shutdown screen in Edgy
[03:15] <Riddell> he did yes
[03:16] <mhb> Riddell: I did that mockup (well, just built it on Ken's kdm proposals)
[03:16] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=shutdown-edgy1.png
[03:16] <Riddell> it looks nice but it would take some programming skill to be able to do it
[03:16] <mhb> Riddell: and because I have some programming experience, I thought I could somehow help with implementing it
[03:17] <mhb> Riddell: heh :o) yeah
[03:17] <Riddell> brave man :)
[03:17] <Riddell> the code is in kdebase/ksmserver
[03:18] <Riddell> shutdowndlg.cpp
[03:18] <omeow> They're too similar. Fortunately they do have text underneath them. So that kindof balances things. 
[03:19] <mhb> well, complain to the Oxygen devs :o)
[03:19] <mhb> they are not quite finished, AFAIK
[03:20] <mhb> even the background may change - it's just a proposal
[03:21] <mhb> and if you look at the KDE menu, you'll find out that these are originally icons for "Switch user","Lock session" and "Log out" ...
[03:21] <Riddell> mhb: if you want to have a shot at the logout dialogue that would be very cool, I could try and help you if you get stuck but I don't have a lot of time for it
[03:21] <mhb> Riddell: I understand that
[03:22] <mhb> Riddell: I'll try to RTM and RTC through it :o)
[03:23] <pygi> kwwii, "busy" icon is also welcome :)
[03:24] <mhb> I have one other not-so-related question
[03:24] <Riddell> ask away
[03:24] <kwwii> pygi: cool
[03:25] <omeow> Riddell, I don't think the apostrophe issue is with X. I have "normal" apostrophe behavior in Thunderbird (apostrophe+space) and different behavior in KDE. (alt gr + apostrophe)
[03:25] <pygi> kwwii, just tell me if I ask too much or you don't have time
[03:25] <omeow> If I were to file this bug, where should I do this?
[03:25] <mhb> I have one another project in my head that I'd like to start for Edgy, but I don't know if it is possible to finish it on time
[03:25] <Riddell> omeow: you could wait for kde 3.5.4 and see if that magically fixes it
[03:25] <kwwii> pygi: don't worry, I know how to say "no"
[03:25] <pygi> mhb, September 7 :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are the nature of those gcc errors usually- machine specific, or random, or what?
[03:26] <Riddell> mhb: if you don't finnish it in time we'll put it in egdy +1
[03:26] <pygi> kwwii, and I know to bug people too much sometimes :)
[03:26] <kwwii> hehe :-)
[03:26] <mhb> I'd like KDE to be able to shutdown when GDM is running
[03:26] <Riddell> mhb: that would be nice yes
[03:26] <omeow> Riddell: I'll check. Would be nice if it would.. I know for a fact that it's not a corrupted file, newly created users have the same problem.
[03:26] <pygi> mhb, and vice versa
[03:27] <Riddell> mhb: I believe the GDM and KDM authors have talked about it, no idea what the outcome is
[03:27] <kwwii> so how does suse do it?
[03:27] <mhb> Riddell: I'll make a proposal for it in Launchpad, if you don't mind
[03:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: gcc could be broken, but on dapper that shouldn't be the case.  possibly bad memory in your machine
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not my machine.
[03:27] <Riddell> kwwii: they have ksmserver talking to gdm?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i might try building it here though, although i do have a debdiff, if you had time/computer power to build it there.
[03:28] <Riddell> mhb: sure, but you'd have to have a good idea how it needs to be implemented
[03:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm busy building kde 3.5.4
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, thought you migth be :D
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are we the guinea pigs again?  :D
[03:29] <hungerW> Riddell: Do you need testers for that?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hungerW: of course :D
[03:29] <mhb> Riddell: so I'll talk to the kdm/gdm devels first.
[03:29] <Riddell> hungerW: later I will
[03:29] <kwwii> Riddell: I thought so...been a while since I used it, perhaps things have changed
[03:29] <hungerW> s/riddel/riddell/
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hungerW: whine at tonio_ about that.
[03:30] <hungerW> Hobbsee: He is not here.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hungerW: yes, when he is here, i meant
[03:30] <omeow> What's wrong with it?
[03:31] <hungerW> omeow: THose damn buttons take up about 90% of my konqueror tabs... whenever I try to switch to some other tab with the mouse I suddenly have that damn thing pop up and there goes the tab.
[03:32] <hungerW> omeow: And there is not even a way to turn this abnomination off (or at least I could not find any).
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hungerW: mind giving me a screenshot?
[03:32] <hungerW> Hobbsee: Why? Open 20 or 30 tabs in konqueror and you will have the same problem.
[03:33] <hungerW> Hobbsee: Basically all you see of the tab is the favicon then...
[03:33] <Hobbsee> hungerW: because i'm mysteriously missing close things on my konq
[03:33] <Hobbsee> ohhh....
[03:33] <Hobbsee> that
[03:33] <hungerW> Hobbsee: Which will turn into a close button on mouseover.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hungerW: just discovered that little piece of information.  what did the firefox people decide to do w.r.t that?  the teamspeak session on that was quite hard to follow
[03:34] <omeow> hungerW are you sure about that?
[03:34] <hungerW> Hobbsee: Dunno what teamspeak is, don't use firefox either.
[03:34] <omeow> I get elipses behind the favicon.
[03:35] <hungerW> omeow: It is been bugging me for days now.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hungerW: VOIP software we were using for the recent paris developers converence.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> uh, i think i crashed konq...
[03:35] <hungerW> omeow: Yeap, so do I. but still the favicon is by far the biggest area here.
[03:36] <hungerW> omeow: I *always* end up clicking there somehow:-(
[03:36] <hungerW> omeow: And I explicitly requested there to be no close buttons in my konqueror config... and all of a sudden my settings are overridden by tonio:-(
[03:37] <kwwii> tonio knows what is best :p
[03:38] <kwwii> lol
[03:38] <omeow> lol speedcrunch
[03:39] <hungerW> Anyone having freqency scaling in edgy?
[03:40] <omeow> Try 2*2, evaluate, <- then + segfault
[03:41] <Riddell> works for me in edgy
[03:41] <omeow> frequency scaling or speedcrunch?
[03:41] <Riddell> speedcrunch
[03:43] <mhb> Riddell: the GDM shutdown support is marked as "Finished" in KDE 3.5 feature plan
[03:43] <Riddell> mhb: interesting, I wonder if we need to do something to our packages to get it enabled
[03:46] <omeow> Riddell, consistent crashes when I do that. start speedcrunch, press the following; 2 * 2, backspace, +
[03:47] <seaLne> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JaniMonoses/
[03:47] <mhb> Riddell: because at my current Edgy machine the Xorg somehow got fubar, I'll download a Knot CD and try to tinker with it for a while
[03:48] <Hobbsee> omeow: remove ~/.speedcrunch/speedcrunchrc and try again?
[03:49] <omeow> Yes, now it works.
[03:49] <omeow> (Can't remember ever using speedcrunch before. Does it get a conf dir by default or only after it's been executed?)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> omeow: after execution, i think
[03:52] <Riddell> mhb: grepping the kdm source doesn't brin up anything obvious
[03:55] <mhb> Riddell: the gdm support is in ksmserver. If I won't be able to set it up, I'll ask the people mentioned under the feature (http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-features.html)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> *shit*
[04:00] <jjesse> over the bandwidth limit?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not quite - but we will be, by the end of the month
[04:01] <jjesse> i saw like 10 committs w/ your name on it?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> jjesse: more than that.  actually, assuming the ssh bandwidth usage isnt so high, i can do most things from imbrandon's machine
[04:02] <Hobbsee> jjesse: current at 8636.69 MB - and we use about 300MB a day
[04:03] <Hobbsee> jjesse: launchpad/people/hobbsee/+packages gives a far more realistic number.
[04:04] <jjesse> wow
[04:04] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah
[04:05] <jjesse> i've been so busy w/ work that i haven't had a chance to do much work for kubuntu :(
[04:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i've had a month of holidays :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: which is good, but is incredibly bad for our internet bill - particularly as i dist-upgraded twice
[04:06] <jjesse> my work laptop has crashed and is in the shop and i don't ahve the memory to run the vms that i did on this loaner
[04:07] <Hobbsee> :(
[04:15] <freeflying> jjesse: hi
[04:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: eek.  you're right about the list - 58 uploads and that's not including syncs - for the month.
[04:36] <kwwii> seaLne: correction: vorheriges Interview, aktuelles Interview
[04:38] <seaLne> thanks
[05:36] <omeow> malformed release file?
[05:37] <omeow> Failed to fetch http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-updates/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[05:38] <omeow> brb
[05:42] <Hobbsee> omeow: they know
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you around?
[05:43] <omeow> Hobbsee, what's that?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> omeow: they know about the malformed release file
[05:44] <omeow> Oh ok. :)
[05:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hi
[05:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm being grilled in -devel - help!  :P
[05:51] <ajmitch> sigh
[05:54] <bddebian> heh
[05:57] <omeow> Anyone else having this problem with thunderbird? http://omeow.ath.cx/thunderbhurrrrd.png
[05:57] <Hobbsee> omeow: what in particular about it?
[05:57] <omeow> Do you see that the user interface is battleship gray and that it doesn't fit with the top part?
[05:58] <omeow> It's all square, gray and non-qty.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> omeow: what theme would you be using?
[05:58] <Hobbsee> in your kde?
[05:58] <omeow> plastik
[05:58] <Hobbsee> and do you have it installed?
[05:58] <omeow> Yes, because the rest of my system uses it too.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> omeow: hmmm okay, so it's not that.
[05:58] <omeow> This problem started happening after I upgraded to edgy. And it's not the thunderbird found in the repositories.
[05:59] <omeow> It's the one I downloaded from mozilla's site.
[06:00] <omeow> Well, I've pasted this link a couple of times already, but every time I start thunderbird, this text scrolls by in my user.log file.
[06:00] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/gconf-error.log
[06:00] <omeow> I'm not sure what gconf is, but I suspect it might be the thing responsible for this.
[06:00] <omeow> Or should it really print those messages every time I start thunderbird?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> omeow: no idea
[06:01] <omeow> me neither.
[06:01] <omeow> I'll first look into what exactly gconf is.
[06:01] <omeow> It's nothing appropriate. :)
[06:01] <Hobbsee> omeow: there's a thing on patching in #ubuntu-motu-school if you're interested
[06:02] <omeow> Sure I'll have a look.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> what's lsdiff?
[06:05] <omeow> gconf stores settings, apparently.
[06:05] <omeow> show which files are modified by a patch
[06:06] <Hobbsee> hmm...ok
[06:06] <omeow> http://cyberelk.net/tim/patchutils/man/lsdiff.html
[06:09] <gammamute> hello
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hi gammamute 
[06:09] <gammamute> how ya doin?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> attending a session on patching, right now.
[06:10] <gammamute> cool nick, is that from Thomas-Hobbes?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> no
[06:10] <gammamute> oh.
[06:10] <gammamute> nevermind.
[06:10] <gammamute> <-- philo dork
[06:11] <Riddell> gammamute: why are you trolling all the ubuntu channels?
[06:11] <gammamute> you would think they had developed a wizard for making easy, standalone patches already...but...that would be thinking outside the box, which requires disk space.
[06:12] <gammamute> send me a pm, riddell
[06:12] <Hobbsee> gosh.
[06:12] <Riddell> go Hobbsee :)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i must be getting short tempered lately, and unwilling to put up with any more shit from anyone.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i must remember not to go back to work.
[06:29] <toma> hi
[06:30] <Hobbsee> hi toma 
[06:31] <toma> hey Hobbsee
[06:31] <nixternal> security.ubuntu.com having issues that anyone has noticed for dapper?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yep, they know
[06:32] <nixternal> ok cool
[06:32] <nixternal> thank you
[06:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal:  there's a thing on patching in #ubuntu-motu-school if you're interested
[06:33] <nixternal> sweet
[06:44] <toma> Riddell: in case you are wondering; I'm working on KTU to improve the response time for new translators. If they translate an app they have to wait untill the next minor release before they see there work back (and notice bugs in their translation); it was the fisrt project I worked on a couple of years back.  That it is now placed in the context of Rosetta could give a wrong idea.
[06:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kdenetwork uploaded, that pastebin does funny things to patches might be an idea to look for another one
[06:58] <Riddell> toma: what does KTU do?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah yeah, sorry about that.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i remember you telling me about that before - actually, i think my entire patch went funny.
[06:58] <Riddell> toma: I've not been keeping up with my e-mail, there's a couple of kde-i18n-doc posts I should reply to
[06:59] <toma> Riddell: it will fetch a translation from kde's svn and installs it for the user
[07:01] <Riddell> toma: top idea
[07:06] <toma> Riddell: yes, but on the ml it looks like a counter attack on Rosetta. That was not my intension. I still think Rosetta has god potential and should be intergrated better in the workflow of KDE translators...
[07:08] <Riddell> I've not seen that
[07:09] <toma> oki
[07:22] <omeow> nl.archive.ubuntu is down, which one can I use as a temporary replacement? (de doesn't work)
[07:22] <omeow> (not really down, corrupted or some such)
[07:22] <toma> omeow: fr is pretty fast for me (living in the nl as well)
[07:22] <omeow> Ok.
[07:22] <omeow> Thanks.
[07:32] <Hobbsee> night all
[07:36] <jjesse> wow the us.mirror is running really slow for me
[08:24] <Tonio_> hey :)
[08:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[08:28] <danimo> hi Tonio_!
[08:28] <Tonio_> hey danimo :)
[08:28] <Tonio_> eating time, seya later :)
[08:29] <danimo> Tonio_: see you
[08:42] <_Sime_> Tonio_: hey, I want to have a look at the PCI bus on your laptop.
[09:19] <allee> Does an ISO image contain it's own checksum?  k3b seem to check _and_ validate it
[09:19] <Mez> I belive it takes a checksum and validates it by reading the CD
[09:19] <Mez> or takes checksums of the files that should be in it and checks those
[09:20] <Mez> or somethings like that
[09:23] <allee> Mez: mhmm, 'k.
[09:26] <aliasfred> that's an interesting question tho, how a cd make to autoverify itself ?
[09:26] <aliasfred> it knows by default where the md5 is stored and ignore it during the verification ?
[09:27] <aliasfred> well in fact there is no other way to do it :)
[09:33] <insanekane> aliasfred: there are probably techniques, but that would drastcally reduce the amount of data that could be put on a CD
[09:34] <aliasfred> ? why
[09:34] <aliasfred> i mean the hash ouput is like 16 or 20byte
[09:34] <aliasfred> compare to 700mbyte, it is quite negligible :)
[09:35] <insanekane> aliasfred: that is only because the md5 is distributed seperately
[09:35] <insanekane> aliasfred: you have to verify by yourself the integrity of the md5 itself
[09:35] <aliasfred> ok im lost :)
[09:35] <allee> insanekane: no.  I only downloaded only the knot1 iso.
[09:36] <insanekane> allee: well, in that case, k3b doesnt validate anything ... it shows the green tick mark just so
[09:36] <allee> insanekane: I suspect the same.  md5sum is stored at a known position and ignored for hash sum computation
[09:36] <aliasfred> but in fact the tech i describe would work, the only thing is it is a huge layer violation while building the iso :)
[09:36] <insanekane> allee: of course, it computes the md5, but if there is nothing to verify it against
[09:36] <allee> insanekane: but this is just a guess
[09:37] <aliasfred> insanekane: install cd are able to verify themselves
[09:37] <allee> insanekane: the the 'okay' mark drawn after md5sum computation is wrong
[09:37] <insanekane> allee: the 'ok' mark only means the md5 was computed, not that it was verified
[09:38] <insanekane> aliasfred: install CDs verify themselves because there is a file in the CD itself containing the md5sums of all files in the CD
[09:38] <allee> insanekane: yes, that's also a possibility but then it's worth a bug report ;)
[09:39] <aliasfred> insanekane: here you suppose it is how done this way, or you know that for a fact ?
[09:39] <insanekane> allee: well :) ... i have also been confused by the ok mark ... only once so far have I used the md5sum verification
[09:39] <insanekane> aliasfred: know that for a fact
[09:39] <aliasfred> ah ok :)
[09:40] <aliasfred> my tech would work but it is clearly less clean :)
[09:40] <insanekane> aliasfred: ok, i think i was slightly wrong above ... in fact, if you just want to verify data integrity, all you need is an md5sum at a well defined location on the CD surface
[09:41] <aliasfred> it does verify the whole cd tho :) just in case the bogus sectors are not 'exercices' while reading the files one by one :)
[09:41] <insanekane> aliasfred: only when you want to actually *recover* the data from a damaged CD do you need vast amounts of space
[09:41] <aliasfred> like a full duplicate :)
[09:42] <insanekane> aliasfred: there is an option in the installer to "verify the CD media" or something like that ... what it does is verify each file against its md5sum
[09:42] <aliasfred> and yes there i understand your 'would reduce the space available' :)
[09:42] <insanekane> aliasfred: maybe not full duplicate ... there are ECCs
[09:42] <aliasfred> yep but to recover you need a full duplicate
[09:42] <aliasfred> and in fact not even so :)
[09:42] <aliasfred> you cant be garanteed to recover
[09:43] <aliasfred> so after it is only a matter of probabilities :)
[09:43] <insanekane> aliasfred: no ... you do not need a duplicate, otherwise there would be no point to an ECC :)
[09:43] <aliasfred> those are only to have a good probability compared to the overhead
[09:43] <insanekane> maybe, my memory of information theory is foggy :)
[09:43] <aliasfred> no garantee or anything
[09:44] <insanekane> aliasfred: no, iirc, ECCs can fully recover data
[09:44] <aliasfred> yep 'can' as in 'may' as in 'according to some probability' :)
[09:44] <insanekane> aliasfred: i meant 'can' not as in 'may', but with certainty
[09:45] <aliasfred> so yes your memory is real foggy :)
[09:45] <insanekane> aliasfred: i remember doing many exercises to recover data
[09:45] <aliasfred> i mean this would imply to break the basic of information theory :)
[09:46] <aliasfred> like needing less that n bit to store n bit of random :)
[09:46] <aliasfred> disk and ram people would love this :)
[09:46] <insanekane> yeah ur right
[09:46] <aliasfred> like always :) :) :) 
[09:47] <aliasfred> except when i code :)
[09:47] <aliasfred> so i go back doing this :)
[10:19] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I'm not really available today...
[10:19] <Tonio_> Can we discuss about that tomorrow evening please ?
[10:53] <allee> mhmm, tried edgy knot1 alternative install and grub fails to install.  Only me? Google finds nothing useful
[10:53] <pygi> aliasfred, known issue I believe
[10:56] <allee> pygi: thx
[11:22] <kwwii> are there java packages for ppc?
[11:26] <kwwii> damn, this sucks
[11:29] <allee> heh, install without network and edgy knot1 install works ;)
[11:30] <allee> with updated edgy pkgs one get UUID=not-readable-hex-string  instead of /dev/<whatever>.  Looks like grub can't handle this yet
[11:40] <omeow> partial yay!
[11:41] <omeow> A few hours and cashew nuts later, I found the corrupted file that causes my problem.
[11:43] <omeow> It's not really a corrupted file actually. It's just a file that causes it. Which program creates ~/.kde/shared/config/displayconfigrc? 
[11:44] <omeow> If that file is not present, my monitors stay normal. 
[11:45] <toma> _Sime_: ?
[11:46] <omeow> Guidance does?
[11:47] <toma> omeow: not sure
[11:48] <omeow> Well, if I move it away, it's not re-recreated. 
[11:50] <omeow> toma, it's from guidance for sure. 
[11:50] <toma> k