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| Who_ | hi all | 12:41 |
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| Who_ | can someone help me with some drawing in Inkscape | 12:41 |
| Who_ | I am trying to draw some liquid... | 12:42 |
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| Who_ | anyone know how to use the 'mask' feature in inkscape? | 02:23 |
| Who_ | I want to use it like Gimp's mask | 02:24 |
| troy_s | who_ | 03:03 |
| Who_ | hi troy_s: | 03:03 |
| troy_s | you need to learn layers bor | 03:03 |
| troy_s | bro | 03:03 |
| troy_s | that was a brutal svg :) | 03:03 |
| troy_s | and what mask feature are you trying to use? | 03:04 |
| Who_ | I got the mask feature ok (in Inkscape) | 03:04 |
| Who_ | ...tell me more about layers - as I was doing it I kept thinking 'I wonder if layers would mean I could select things more easily' | 03:05 |
| Who_ | or 'I guess this background stuff should all be on one layer' :P | 03:05 |
| Who_ | but it didn't seem to happen :P | 03:05 |
| Who_ | I have been thinking for phrases relating to Blubuntu - I think technical, clean, scientific are some early indicators | 03:06 |
| troy_s | are you providing some sort of output for the request? | 03:06 |
| Who_ | Well, I was going to use the human buttons in website colours.... | 03:07 |
| Who_ | not tonight though, I have been Blubuntuing tonight and now it is very close to bed time | 03:07 |
| troy_s | eek | 03:08 |
| troy_s | it would be nice to demonstrate some of our professionalism by providing at least a potential starting point in svg | 03:08 |
| Who_ | oh, yea, I was going to use svg - just the style from the human theme | 03:09 |
| Who_ | I have been working on the hardest SVG I've ever done tonight | 03:10 |
| troy_s | eeke | 03:27 |
| troy_s | doesn't sound too proposaly there Who_... | 03:27 |
| Who_ | it is for Blubuntu - I need to know if I could do a paticular effect | 03:28 |
| Who_ | troy_s: I sort of can :) | 03:28 |
| Who_ | troy_s; and I am a bit 'proposaled out' since the lsplashes | 03:29 |
| Who_ | (don't worry, I will certainly do much more proposing - I just need a quick break :P) | 03:29 |
| troy_s | LOL | 03:31 |
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| Who_ | troy_s: using masks you can make some _funky_ gradients in inkscape | 03:44 |
| Who_ | it has come along so much recently | 03:44 |
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| Who_ | suspiciously close to Xara's release | 03:45 |
| Who_ | hi Viper | 03:45 |
| Viper550 | Hello... | 03:45 |
| Viper550 | I'm trying to take Tropic in a new direction...away from the Green scheme and off to a pure Orange look | 03:45 |
| troy_s | Lord. | 03:46 |
| troy_s | Viper... think. | 03:46 |
| troy_s | Take a week. Think about it. | 03:46 |
| troy_s | Hrm.. version .44 Who_ ? | 03:47 |
| Who_ | troy_s: yea | 03:47 |
| Viper550 | I made that decision way before I said that... | 03:47 |
| troy_s | what is the font that looks like the ubuntu | 03:47 |
| Viper550 | ubuntu-title-font | 03:47 |
| troy_s | font but plus the tails. | 03:47 |
| Who_ | ubuntu title | 03:47 |
| Viper550 | Well, I was close, ubuntu-title | 03:47 |
| Who_ | troy_s: try applying a linera gradient mask to a radial gradient | 03:49 |
| Who_ | it is very funky | 03:49 |
| Who_ | what are you playing with, troy_s | 03:51 |
| troy_s | hrm... | 03:53 |
| troy_s | i am trying to pound out exactly three VERY loose button variants. | 03:53 |
| troy_s | then i am going to post an activism post to the damn list | 03:53 |
| troy_s | because having the documentation team ask for help | 03:54 |
| troy_s | and have zero replies is just plain | 03:54 |
| troy_s | shoddy | 03:54 |
| troy_s | how do i make an inverse mask who? | 03:54 |
| Who_ | what do you mean by inverse? | 03:55 |
| Who_ | do you want me to do some buttons quickly | 03:56 |
| Who_ | ? | 03:56 |
| troy_s | i would love it if you could... | 03:56 |
| Who_ | a mask that inverts things? | 03:56 |
| troy_s | you and i can stick on three each | 03:56 |
| troy_s | VERY loose | 03:56 |
| Who_ | we'll call them 3 AM buttons :P | 03:56 |
| troy_s | and simply state that they are very loose and pick a direction and we will finish em | 03:56 |
| troy_s | VERY loose :) | 03:56 |
| troy_s | i just got off work | 03:56 |
| troy_s | bloody hell. | 03:56 |
| troy_s | inverse | 03:57 |
| Who_ | okay, what do yours look like? | 03:57 |
| troy_s | meaning imagine i have a rounded rectangle | 03:57 |
| troy_s | mine are rounded rectangle | 03:57 |
| troy_s | basically | 03:57 |
| troy_s | with a gloss hit on top | 03:57 |
| troy_s | and maybe a who hill stripe | 03:57 |
| troy_s | with a grad. | 03:57 |
| Who_ | okay, that's what mine werer going to be like :P - just like the Human buttons | 03:57 |
| troy_s | like i said, damn loose... | 03:57 |
| troy_s | but then i will try to give three simple directions | 03:57 |
| troy_s | yeah | 03:57 |
| troy_s | something like that... | 03:57 |
| troy_s | try it | 03:57 |
| Who_ | okay, well, I'll try some other things quickly | 03:58 |
| Who_ | I'm going to adapt my lozenge | 03:59 |
| Viper550 | Guess what, I've got a screenshot of the next build of Tropic on the wiki page now. | 03:59 |
| Who_ | link? | 04:01 |
| Viper550 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Tropic | 04:01 |
| Viper550 | I assumed for a moment that you already knew...but, just in case you forgot | 04:02 |
| Who_ | Viper550, have you thought about some of the other elements of your theme - remember Mark made it clear that completeness would me a major factor when it came to decifing what would be included | 04:02 |
| Viper550 | Yes, I have, I'm going to adapt one of my splash screen propositions for the splash screen, and I've got a pretty nice wallpaper ready for it too | 04:02 |
| troy_s | Who_, let me remind you on how to do a quick cutout later okie? | 04:06 |
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| Who_ | troy_s: hold on...you want me to remind you to show me a quick cutout...? | 04:10 |
| Who_ | to whoever is listening, I'd love an opinion on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu/BlubuntuWallpaper | 04:18 |
| Who_ | the new mercury ones, specifically | 04:18 |
| troy_s | yah | 04:26 |
| troy_s | i'm here. | 04:26 |
| troy_s | who_s | 04:26 |
| troy_s | Who_, | 04:26 |
| Who_ | yea, troy_s | 04:26 |
| troy_s | helmet's image is quite good. | 04:27 |
| troy_s | your mercury blobs need to evolve a little... the gloss is starting though | 04:27 |
| Who_ | they took me ages | 04:27 |
| troy_s | first, you need to liquify the blobs -- not just circle them | 04:27 |
| Who_ | I think helmets image is not likely to be a) available in larger sizes and b) free | 04:27 |
| troy_s | second, you might want to put a chrome kick across them | 04:27 |
| Who_ | liquify? | 04:28 |
| troy_s | (as a starting point (helmets) | 04:28 |
| troy_s | uh... damn... | 04:28 |
| troy_s | WE REALLY NEED A WHITEBOARD APP!!! | 04:28 |
| troy_s | is there an opensource whiteboard app???????????? | 04:28 |
| Who_ | they are SVGs at the moment | 04:28 |
| Who_ | yea, true, we do! | 04:28 |
| troy_s | i know, but i can't sketch here. | 04:28 |
| troy_s | this blows. | 04:28 |
| Who_ | there must be a free whiteboard... | 04:28 |
| troy_s | no kidding | 04:28 |
| Who_ | can you deskcribe? | 04:28 |
| Who_ | oh...you were suggesting I use Helmet's stuff to help me make the mercury blobs look more liquid....ye, great idea :) they are much easier to SVGise than some of the photos I got... | 04:31 |
| Who_ | though, if all the pictures of mercury I found are correct, mercury does normally end up in round bubbles | 04:31 |
| troy_s | phew | 04:31 |
| troy_s | got one. | 04:31 |
| troy_s | no | 04:31 |
| troy_s | i was saying helmet | 04:31 |
| troy_s | was a good starting point for something possibly | 04:31 |
| Who_ | oh, okay | 04:32 |
| troy_s | found a whiteboard | 04:32 |
| Who_ | rendering that in SVG would make me cry | 04:32 |
| Who_ | okie, link me | 04:32 |
| troy_s | http://hem.fyristorg.com/matben/ | 04:33 |
| troy_s | looking into inkscapes... does it work? | 04:33 |
| Who_ | inkscape's what? | 04:33 |
| troy_s | inkscape has a collaboration mode | 04:34 |
| troy_s | but i don't think it is finished | 04:34 |
| troy_s | downloading the sourceball. | 04:34 |
| troy_s | cvs checkout happening now | 04:37 |
| troy_s | this blows | 04:42 |
| troy_s | how do you get the inkscape whiteboard working??? | 04:42 |
| troy_s | Who_, you there? | 04:44 |
| Who_ | troy_s: yea, here, but never used inkscape whiteboard.... | 04:44 |
| Who_ | perhpas just use something like | 04:44 |
| Who_ | http://www.imaginationcubed.com/LaunchPage | 04:45 |
| troy_s | well inkscape has inkboard | 04:45 |
| troy_s | google for it... | 04:45 |
| troy_s | its a plugin | 04:45 |
| troy_s | and i am a 64bit dual core | 04:45 |
| troy_s | no flash | 04:45 |
| Who_ | it is 4AM here now - I really need to go to bed | 04:46 |
| Who_ | can we resume tomorrow | 04:46 |
| Who_ | I will have to submit those buttons in the morning (I have 1 now, but it is oh, so simple | 04:47 |
| troy_s | yep | 04:48 |
| troy_s | laf. | 04:48 |
| troy_s | morrow... i'll look into inkboard | 04:48 |
| Who_ | just sent some buttons | 05:09 |
| Who_ | night | 05:10 |
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| mhb | hi everyone | 11:59 |
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| Viper550 | Hello everyone | 03:59 |
| kwwii | howdy Viper550 | 04:00 |
| Viper550 | I was tweaking Tropic just right now, wanna see? | 04:01 |
| Viper550 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Tropic | 04:01 |
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| kwwii | looking better and better | 04:30 |
| kwwii | I'm off now...bbl | 04:30 |
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| Viper550 | Hello | 09:26 |
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| newz2000 | there's something anoying me about Ubuntu/Gnome compared to windows... | 10:33 |
| newz2000 | its within the power of the art-team to affect it. | 10:33 |
| kwwii | re | 10:33 |
| newz2000 | the amount of lost screen real estate lost on gnome/ubuntu compared to windows | 10:33 |
| newz2000 | Should I make a spec or should I send a msg to the mailing list first? | 10:34 |
| kwwii | newz2000: screen real estate lost through what? | 10:34 |
| newz2000 | slightly larger chrome and tool bars | 10:34 |
| kwwii | you mean window deco and tool bar size? | 10:35 |
| newz2000 | yes. http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/tmp/window-chrome.png | 10:35 |
| kwwii | I think if you look at that pic closely you will see more than losing screen real estate | 10:36 |
| kwwii | they use theirs more efficiently | 10:36 |
| kwwii | the panel is much smaller and better spaced | 10:36 |
| kwwii | while the window corners (the dragable area) is much bigger | 10:36 |
| newz2000 | they is Windows, right? | 10:37 |
| kwwii | yepp | 10:38 |
| kwwii | hehe, who "they" is for a kde user is kinda hard to decide, eh? | 10:38 |
| kwwii | :-) | 10:38 |
| newz2000 | yes. | 10:38 |
| kwwii | lol | 10:38 |
| newz2000 | Its been tricky to describe... I bought a new laptop when I came to canonical and lost my old one from my previous employer... | 10:38 |
| newz2000 | I went down from 1920x1400 to 1280x800. | 10:39 |
| kwwii | if you did the same with kde I bet you would get even worse results | 10:39 |
| newz2000 | So it was quite a change. But still, it feels cluttered and cramped. | 10:39 |
| newz2000 | I've not used KDE for a while so can't comment much. | 10:39 |
| kwwii | believe me, gnome does better in this respect | 10:39 |
| kwwii | yeah, I moved from a bigger laptop when working for suse to a smaller one afterwards as well | 10:40 |
| newz2000 | Oh, you worked for Suse? | 10:40 |
| kwwii | and it took me a while to get used to it, I kept changing the panel size/hiding, font size, etc. | 10:40 |
| kwwii | I did all the suse graphics for 7 years :-) | 10:40 |
| newz2000 | That's cool. Why'd you leave? | 10:41 |
| kwwii | the decision not to support and develop kde anymore | 10:41 |
| newz2000 | Ah. When Novel/Ximian took over. | 10:42 |
| newz2000 | I hadn't heard that Suse officially abandoned KDE. I figured it would happen though. | 10:42 |
| kwwii | well, it is pretty much unofficial but it already happened | 10:44 |
| kwwii | the thing is this: lots of suse employees wok on it on the side anyway | 10:44 |
| newz2000 | Do you still work for Suse? | 10:45 |
| kwwii | nope, although novell offered me a contract to make their website design I turned it down | 10:45 |
| newz2000 | oh too bad. They need it. | 10:45 |
| kwwii | suse is dead for me | 10:45 |
| kwwii | hehe, I made the opensuse site, and I know exactly what kind of shit is involved in it | 10:45 |
| kwwii | better to stay out of that mess (although you can earn a lot of money) | 10:46 |
| kwwii | the whole team who makes their website is now an external company | 10:46 |
| kwwii | they fired them all | 10:46 |
| kwwii | and they made their own company | 10:46 |
| kwwii | and then novell paid even more to hire that company to do the work | 10:46 |
| newz2000 | classic | 10:46 |
| newz2000 | :D | 10:46 |
| kwwii | and the same thing almost happened to me, but I decided to take a step away | 10:46 |
| newz2000 | Not to rub salt in the wound, Are there any other major desktops besides Kubuntu that ship with KDE as the default now? | 10:47 |
| kwwii | linspire and xandros are the two "big" ones that come to mind | 10:47 |
| kwwii | mandriva of course | 10:47 |
| kwwii | and lots of smaller ones | 10:48 |
| kwwii | that is the major difference between gnome and kde today, I think | 10:48 |
| kwwii | gnome is funded by a few really big companies | 10:48 |
| kwwii | and kde is funded by a lot of small companies | 10:48 |
| newz2000 | Yeah | 10:48 |
| kwwii | kde sees that as a strength not a weakness | 10:48 |
| newz2000 | I wish we could pick the best from both of them. | 10:48 |
| newz2000 | I'd rather code for KDE and I think it has better eye candy, but I think gnome is more usable. | 10:49 |
| kwwii | in the end, to be really honest, what is good for one is often good for the other (at least in the long run) | 10:49 |
| newz2000 | I just hate glib though. | 10:49 |
| kwwii | there really is only one linux desktop | 10:49 |
| kwwii | kde and gnome are part of both of them | 10:49 |
| kwwii | hehe, "are both part of it" | 10:49 |
| kwwii | let's talk about gnome and kde in 50 years and I bet we will all have a good lauch | 10:50 |
| kwwii | laugh | 10:50 |
| newz2000 | yeah | 10:50 |
| newz2000 | So is the proper protocol to create a spec first or to discuss issues on the ml first? | 10:51 |
| newz2000 | (back to the chrome thing) | 10:51 |
| kwwii | hrm, good question | 10:54 |
| kwwii | perhaps make a bug | 10:54 |
| kwwii | and then a spec to improve on it | 10:54 |
| kwwii | or a wiki page describing the problem | 10:54 |
| kwwii | and a spec to iimprove it | 10:55 |
| newz2000 | Ah. That's probably a good place to start | 10:55 |
| newz2000 | That sounds like a good plan | 10:55 |
| kwwii | I guess the problem is really in the theme makers hands | 10:55 |
| kwwii | and perhaps a bit of developement | 10:55 |
| newz2000 | I wasn't sure about who can fix it... since we're doing new themes I thought it would be good to suggest here. | 10:55 |
| kwwii | definitely | 10:55 |
| kwwii | things like the window borders are all up to the theme | 10:56 |
| kwwii | the panel size setting is up to a developer settings, etc, as is the font size, etc. | 10:56 |
| newz2000 | Hmm... bummer. Thats where the most space is lost. | 10:57 |
| kwwii | yepp, in kde we have the opposite problem | 10:57 |
| kwwii | jonathan made the size so small per defualt that on some systems it cuts off the bottom of the icons in the panel :p | 10:58 |
| kwwii | he made the spacing 0 I think | 10:59 |
| newz2000 | No margin for error there | 10:59 |
| kwwii | exactly | 11:01 |
| kwwii | honestly, I like the kubuntu panel much better than the default kde panel, but it could still be a bit better | 11:01 |
| newz2000 | I've always felt like there was too much crammed into too little space on the kde panel. | 11:03 |
| newz2000 | Admittedly its been awhile since I've used it | 11:03 |
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| kwwii | the shitty arrows showing that an icon is a drawer in kde SUCK | 11:20 |
| newz2000 | Well, you are the art-team lead for kubuntu | 11:22 |
| kwwii | hehe | 11:24 |
| kwwii | yeah, but that is something that is being addressed in kde4 | 11:24 |
| mhb | kwwii: what icon exactly? | 11:24 |
| mhb | kwwii: name? | 11:24 |
| kwwii | mhb: not an icon, it is an overlay for a drawer | 11:24 |
| kwwii | check the kmenu or the System Menu | 11:24 |
| kwwii | those little arrows simply suck | 11:25 |
| kwwii | I would rather make the icon more rectangular to show that it is a drawer graphically | 11:25 |
| kwwii | anyone here know how to install java on ppc? | 11:25 |
| newz2000 | Good luck with that | 11:26 |
| newz2000 | did you try java.sun.com? | 11:26 |
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| mhb | 1~ | 11:27 |
| mhb | sorry | 11:27 |
| kwwii | newz2000: hehe, I wanted to simply install it and keep writing my script | 11:28 |
| kwwii | not work for an hour on figuring out how to install it | 11:28 |
| newz2000 | If you have multiverse you can install java using apt I think. | 11:29 |
| kwwii | I have osx with all the stuff installed already...I'll write the script there and assume that those that run it have a working java installed | 11:29 |
| kwwii | newz2000: apparently not on ppc | 11:29 |
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| kwwii | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 11:29 |
| kwwii | sun-java5-jre: Depends: sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-06-1) but it is not installable or | 11:29 |
| kwwii | ia32-sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-06-1) but it is not instal lable | 11:29 |
| kwwii | E: Broken packages | 11:29 |
| kwwii | fscked up | 11:30 |
| newz2000 | if they have it at java.sun.com you just download, chmod +x java...bin and then ./java...bin | 11:30 |
| newz2000 | but I don't know if they have it there | 11:30 |
| kwwii | too late, I already started editing it on the other machine | 11:33 |
| kwwii | it is only a small change, so do not feel so bad | 11:33 |
| kwwii | :-) | 11:33 |
| kwwii | changing the render engine for the script | 11:33 |
| newz2000 | My feelings aren't hurt. I rarely use java | 11:33 |
| newz2000 | Well, I use eclipse a lot, but I rarely write java | 11:34 |
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| kwwii | I am only calling a class in a bash script, don't worry | 11:35 |
| newz2000 | xalan by chance? | 11:35 |
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| newz2000 | oops | 11:36 |
| newz2000 | don't press ctrl+w | 11:37 |
| kwwii | batik, acutally | 11:49 |
| kwwii | actually | 11:49 |
| kwwii | it seems to work, so far | 11:49 |
| kwwii | it is nasty work on the console in osx | 11:49 |
| kwwii | unless you have a decent setup of course | 11:50 |
| kwwii | linux is so much better in that aspect | 11:50 |
| kwwii | hehe, so now the script calls every svg in a singular java session | 11:54 |
| kwwii | great | 11:54 |
| kwwii | erm | 11:54 |
| kwwii | this is getting beyond my interest level | 11:54 |
| kwwii | hehe | 11:54 |
| mhb | :o) | 11:56 |
| kwwii | dude, are you good at shell scripting? | 11:56 |
| kwwii | I could figure this out tomorrow, with time I guess, but tonight I am too worn out to worry | 11:57 |
| kwwii | I will simply let the script run as is and be happy for now | 11:58 |
| kwwii | check on the results, tweak the settings, etc | 11:58 |
| kwwii | and worry about cpu usage tomorrow | 11:58 |
| kwwii | erm, actually it is probably the disk hits that are worse than the cpu usage | 11:59 |
| kwwii | read/write stuff loading and unloading | 11:59 |
| mhb | :o)) | 11:59 |
| kwwii | you like seeing an artist fsck up his own script, eh? | 12:00 |
| kwwii | :-) | 12:00 |
| mhb | yay! | 12:01 |
| kwwii | and to watch him dance around in chat like the next idiot on the street | 12:01 |
| kwwii | :p | 12:01 |
| mhb | it's better to let the anger come out of you :o) | 12:01 |
| kwwii | well, other than the fact that it takes 10x as long to make the theme as before, batik is working great | 12:02 |
| kwwii | might want to raise that to 100x | 12:02 |
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