[12:42] <LaserJock> theCore: hi
[12:46] <theCore> hello LaserJock
[12:47] <LaserJock> theCore: the packaging guide is updated on doc.ubuntu.com
[12:47] <LaserJock> theCore: and btw, we got another emacs convert ;-)
[12:49] <theCore> LaserJock: cool
[12:49] <theCore> :)
[12:49] <theCore> another Emaculate!
[12:50] <LaserJock> I showed nixternal planner-el
[12:50] <nixternal> now im addicted
[12:50] <nixternal> ;)
[12:50] <nixternal> i have muse, planner, remember, and rcirc
[12:51] <theCore> I need to test that ...
[12:51] <theCore> nixternal: ERC is better
[12:51] <theCore> for IRC
[12:51] <nixternal> i will try it as well
[12:51] <theCore> I think it's at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/erc
[12:52] <theCore> I'm not sure, though
[12:52] <theCore> yep, that the right address
[12:57] <nixternal> Fujitsu: pingaling!!!
[12:57] <nixternal> didn't even give his irc client time to sync
[12:57] <nixternal> sorry bout that
[12:58] <Fujitsu> nixternal, pong, again.
[12:58] <Fujitsu> I keep being disconnected :(
[12:58] <nixternal> hehe
[12:58] <nixternal> i know the feeling
[12:58] <Fujitsu> Why are you pinging me, anyway?
[12:58] <nixternal> im just interested in seeing if it is possible to attain a copy of the Australian team's Drupal theme for the Chicago team?
[12:59] <Fujitsu> Aha. Of course. I'll tar it up and put it somewhere for you to get.
[12:59] <nixternal> you are a god send..thank you so much!!!
[01:05] <Fujitsu> It should now be at http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/drupal_theme.tar.bz2
[01:05] <nixternal> thank you Fujitsu!!!
[01:05] <nixternal> you rock!
[01:05] <Fujitsu> No problem! If you have any issues with it, just ask.
[01:06] <nixternal> thanks, i really appreciate the help on this one
[01:30] <theCore> good, end of my viral marketing ...
[01:30] <theCore> :)
[01:30] <theCore> Compiz sells Linux well
[01:31] <theCore> LaserJock: so, did you made a lot of changes?
[01:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:31] <LaserJock> not like content wise
[01:31] <LaserJock> but structurally
[04:38] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: hi!
[04:38] <jsgotangco> hey!
[04:38] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I had a talk with Ian today about the developer's reference
[04:38] <jsgotangco> oh neat
[04:39] <jsgotangco> what happened?
[04:39] <LaserJock> he said to grab the docbook
[04:39] <LaserJock> !
[04:39] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:39] <LaserJock> so I'm going to switch over to doing the thing in docbook
[04:40] <LaserJock> I also mentioned that there is a newer version out
[04:40] <jsgotangco> id like to dive in to that for this cycle
[04:40] <LaserJock> he said to just grab the latest I can get
[04:40] <jsgotangco> ok do you already have a plan for it?
[04:40] <LaserJock> he said for the most part it will be tough no matter what we do, which I agree with
[04:41] <LaserJock> not sure
[04:41] <LaserJock> I'd like to do some revision control
[04:41] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:41] <jsgotangco> do you prefer it on our svn or bzr?
[04:42] <nixternal> Fujitsu_: it seems all i need now are the header.png files, tab background files..images
[04:42] <LaserJock> I'm thinking it would be better to do it bzr perhaps, what do you think?
[04:42] <LaserJock> I tend to think putting it in the doc team repo is not a good idea
[04:43] <Fujitsu_> nixternal, aha... Can you grab them from the webserver, or should I tar them up?
[04:43] <nixternal> i can try to grab um via right click save i guess..but i don't know about tabs
[04:43] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i'm all for bzr but if its too big, we should put it elsewhere and not in LP imo
[04:44] <jsgotangco> i like the idea of having all the revisions as well
[04:44] <LaserJock> big as far as size?
[04:44] <Fujitsu_> nixternal, just find them in ubuntu.com.au/images/whatever
[04:44] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:44] <jsgotangco> but since they're just source files i dont think they're that big
[04:45] <nixternal> roger that
[04:45] <nixternal> thanks
[04:45] <LaserJock> 3.0MB is the whole thing with HTML and pdf versions
[04:45] <jsgotangco> that's not bad
[04:45] <jsgotangco> can't we just use the source files?
[04:46] <LaserJock> I think so
[04:46] <LaserJock> I need to get the docbook source first though
[04:47] <LaserJock> I emailed about it today
[04:47] <jsgotangco> ahh so its not somewhere out there
[04:47] <LaserJock> apparently not yet
[04:47] <LaserJock> some of the Debian doc people are testing it out
[05:04] <nixternal> Fujitsu_: is there any crazy hacks that i need to do in order for the images to work?   i must be missing something, or i  really am retarded ;)
[05:07] <nixternal> heh, i know im retarded
[05:07] <nixternal> the theme works...almost
[05:17] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: can you inform me when you have it as well so i could help out on it. im pretty much interested on it for this cycle
[05:19] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: cool, will do
[07:55] <draik> Hello everyone
[07:55] <Fujitsu> Hi draik.
[07:55] <draik> I'm new to Kubuntu... Linux all together
[07:56] <draik> Hi Fujitsu
[07:56] <draik> As I have been going along, I have been taking notes of things that I have done and how to do them
[07:56] <draik> I was wondering if I can submit them to contribute to any possible docs
[07:56] <draik> I am using Kubuntu 6.06
[07:56] <draik> Dapper Drake
[08:05] <bimberi_> draik: hi
[08:05] <draik> bimbiri_ hi
[08:05] <draik> bimberi_ sorry
[08:05] <bimberi_> draik: you might contact the authors of these emails...
[08:06] <bimberi_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-July/000579.html
[08:06] <bimberi_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-July/000699.html
[08:07] <bimberi_> draik: it sounds like your notes would be ideal for those projects
[08:07] <bimberi_> possibly
[08:07] <draik> I hope so
[08:07] <draik> I was reading about project Switch
[08:08] <draik> I have 3 groups of people waiting for me to get the hang of Kubuntu so I can explain it to them so that they can move to it
[08:08] <draik> they are all fed up with windoze
[08:08] <bimberi_> wow, sounds great!
[08:08] <draik> I have a minor experience with Knoppix
[08:08] <bimberi_> project Switch? link?
[08:08] <draik> your first link
[08:08] <bimberi_> oh 
[08:08] <bimberi_> *blushes*
[08:08] <draik> Current ideas for the switch project:
[08:08] <draik> *Get people to switch to ubuntu and keep a blog of their opinions and such
[08:08] <draik> of it.
[08:09] <draik> LOL
[08:09] <bimberi_> yep, i had 'user data project' in mind
[08:12] <draik> same thing
[08:12] <bimberi_> yep
[08:12] <draik> it's just 
[08:12] <draik> for the purposes of remembering it easily I have code named this "switch"
[08:12] <draik> project.
[08:13] <draik> Thank you bimberi_
[08:13] <draik> I will let them know so that I can pass this notebook through to them
[08:14] <bimberi_> draik: np, also feel free to check http://help.ubuntu.com against your notes as well :)
[08:19] <draik> bimberi_ that is perfect. Thank you
[08:36] <RichJ> quiet in doc land
[08:43] <draik> bimberi_, I have downloaded that PDF to Kubuntu. I was reviewing it and so far my information is consitant
[08:44] <draik> I have been asking around as well just to be sure I have my information together before I get/give the wrong idea
[11:33] <kgoetz> hi all, thought i should reping this (as i was working on it), would it be worthwile for me to do some wiki pages/docbook/both on setting up privoxy, dnsmasq, polipo, and perhaps one on making polipo and privoxy play nicely?
[11:33] <Madpilot> kgoetz, wiki pages would be the best place to start
[11:35] <kgoetz> Madpilot: ok. i'll do that then
[11:35] <Madpilot> I've no idea what *any* of that stuff is, though ;)
[11:36] <Madpilot> kgoetz, if it's server-level stuff, ask on the list about adding to the Server Guide; if it's desktop stuff, we might be able to find space for it in an expanded Desktop Guide. In either case, start on the wiki
[11:37] <kgoetz> dnsmasq=dns proxy+dhcp server, polipo=caching proxy, privoxy=trimming/blocking/add removing proxy
[11:37] <kgoetz> so wiki it is
[11:48] <jsgotangco> hi
[11:56] <Madpilot> morning
[11:57] <kgoetz> 3 more sub pages added to my wiki home - now to fill them with meaningless content :)
[12:33] <mdke> mpt_: around?
[01:41] <mdke> mpt__: here?
[01:42] <mpt__> mdke, present!
[01:44] <mdke> ah cool
[01:44] <mdke> mpt__: about that searching business
[01:44] <mpt__> Tango & Cash?
[01:44] <mpt__> yes!
[01:44] <mpt__> search
[01:45] <mdke> would you be prepared to engage with the moin people to ask about whether the moin search can do what you need it to do for yelp?
[01:46] <mdke> obviously the moin search is pretty deeply ingraining because it is used for a lot of features, like categories, and other macros. But maybe in 1.5 there have been some improvements and you can talk about whether you can make it yelp-happy
[01:47] <mpt__> ok
[01:48] <manicka> the gui editing in 1.5 would be  a bonus for new contributers
[01:50] <mdke> mpt__: BTW, I haven't said thanks yet for everything you are doing upstream, it's really great
[01:51] <mdke> manicka: well need to have a think about whether we want to allow gui editing  it might have a detrimental effect and make people lazy about formatting. that was something the new webmaster mentioned to me the other day. Anyway, we will certainly be moving to Moin 1.5 very soon
[01:56] <mpt__> hmm, it's not looking promising
[01:56] <manicka> who is the new webmaster
[01:57] <mdke> manicka: guy called Matthew Nuzum
[01:57] <mdke> mpt__: the search thing?
[01:57] <manicka> k
[02:03] <mpt__> mdke, yes, see http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinTodo/ExtendedSearch
[02:03] <mpt__> particularly the later sections
[02:05] <mdke> right
[02:05] <mdke> mpt__: what about the integration with yelp. You mentioned something about GET?
[02:06] <mpt__> mdke, that's no big deal, it just means that Yelp has to be able to generate the search URL itself -- that's possible with Moin as it is currently
[02:06] <mdke> oh, fine
[02:07] <mdke> I may have misunderstood that bug. So the yelp integration is now currently possible?
[02:07] <mpt__> so Ubuntu Yelp would have prefix = "https://help.ubuntu.com/community?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=" and suffix = "&fullsearch=Text"
[02:07] <mdke> right
[02:08] <mpt__> yes, it just produces bad results
[02:08] <mdke> so the points about including markup is just a basic bug with moin, I don't see why any presentational wiki would want that behaviour
[02:08] <mpt__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=how+do+I+burn+a+cd%3F&fullsearch=Text
[02:08] <mdke> including www.u.c
[02:09] <mdke> the point about stop words too
[02:09] <mpt__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=synaptic+error&fullsearch=Text
[02:09] <mpt__> etc
[02:09] <mdke> sounds like a feature request that would be useful for moin in general, not just our wiki
[02:10] <mpt__> true
[02:11] <mdke> if you don't get a good reply on #moin, try the mailing list
[02:11] <mdke> gmane.comp.web.wiki.moin.general if you use gmane
[02:11] <mdke> otherwise, it's on their wiki somewhere
[02:15] <manicka> mdke, I've just been having a good look at the user docs section... things are much neater now :)
[02:18] <manicka> Is there any interest in porting of existing data from the udsf or forums to the wiki.
[02:22] <manicka> I'm interested because user generated how-tos still seem to be a 'search and find' only affair
[02:23] <manicka> hmm, i just noticed that they are ther but you have to dig quite deep to find them
[02:24] <manicka> I guess i'm asking... what if I could gather a team to start moving some guides over
[02:25] <manicka> where would they go? 
[02:25] <manicka> etc?
[02:25] <manicka> what process would need to be followed?
[02:26] <mpt__> First, fix the help.ubuntu.com license problem
[02:26] <mpt__> Then, ask the individual authors
[02:27] <manicka> what license problem?
[02:28] <mpt__> That stuff contributed to the wiki so far is of ambiguous license and therefore cannot be incorporated, for example, into GFDL/CC-BY-SA help pages
[02:32] <kgoetz> so do people need to explicity licence their pages? or its now asumed under free licence?
[02:32] <mpt__> kgoetz, eventually, hopefully, all *new* pages will be public domain
[02:33] <mpt__> with all old pages remaining under the ambiguous license
[02:51] <mdke> manicka: yes, I'm about to embark on another dialogue with the UDSF people
[02:52] <mdke> manicka: as for the process, it is documented at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
[02:53] <mdke> I added "porting material from the forums" as one of the objectives of the wiki team at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiToDo
[02:55] <manicka> ok, thanks
[03:04] <mdke> manicka: what is the best way for me to contact some UDSF people and talk about some sharing of material?
[03:05] <mdke> is there a mailing list/forum?
[03:08] <jsgotangco> i think king bahamut already split the fourm
[03:09] <jsgotangco> (left the forum i mean)
[03:09] <mdke> there is a UDSF section though, is that no longer valid?
[03:09] <jsgotangco> there was this big (i heard) fight in the forum remember?
[03:09] <jsgotangco> so i guess its not that valid anymore
[03:10] <jsgotangco> i think this is still the canonical link http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Main_Page
[03:15] <mpt__> The UDSF is amusing
[03:18] <jsgotangco> :D
[03:19] <kgoetz> yay. finished one of my wikipages
[03:19] <mdke> there is lots of material on the forums that it would be nice to see filter onto the help wiki
[03:19] <mdke> somehow or other
[03:20] <jsgotangco> i thought thats what the USDF did
[03:20] <jsgotangco> or UDSF
[03:20] <jsgotangco> gahh these military style acronyms
[03:22] <mdke> it is yeah, except they have their own site. I'd like to see some material filtering onto the help wiki. maybe the UDSF people can help
[03:22] <mdke> manicka: if you want to draw up a formal group for that sort of thing, that would be a good idea I think... we can document it and it can be a subset of the wikiteam
[03:25] <mdke> mpt__: about that search thing, if you can draw up a few ideas, maybe even a spec, I think we might be able to find a few people interested in working on the code.
[03:27] <mpt__> mdke, good idea
[03:28] <mpt__> mdke, what did you think of the help page structure I posted?
[03:29] <mpt__> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-July/006792.html
[03:31] <jsgotangco> the example looks great
[03:31] <kgoetz> i was asking about writing some stuff, madpilot sugested the wiki -> thats the 1st page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarlGoetz/PolipoHowto
[03:35] <mdke> mpt__: sorry yeah, need to reply. I think it may be difficult to achieve this with docbook in the time we have for edgy, and waiting for upstream's more simple markup with modular help may work better
[03:35] <mdke> we can do our best tho
[03:42] <jsgotangco> it would be interesting by gnome 2.18 for sure
[03:43] <mdke> hope so
[04:06] <mdke> mpt: alright, I've written a proper response to your mail
[05:51] <kgoetz> well i'm taking this opertunity to head home - just thought i would link you to my 4 pages for today :| https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarlGoetz/DnsmasqPolipoPrivoxyTogether, the other 3 are linked off it in the section "Order of configuration"
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> home again :)
[07:05] <LaserJock> mdke: ping?
[08:25] <nixternal> jjesse: what all is involved with khelpcenter, and is there anything i can do to help with everything?
[08:44] <jjesse> nixternal: no clue actually
[08:45] <nixternal> heh, ok..i will look into it a little further
[08:45] <nixternal> i got some more cd's today and stickers
[09:08] <Burgwork> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/25/ubuntu_goes_mainstream/
[09:13] <jjesse> gotta love this quote: ""My interpretation of that is that our documentation sucks so badly that people have to search a lot..." jokes Shuttleworth."
[09:13] <jjesse> ouch
[09:17] <Burgwork> indeed
[09:23] <jjesse> though the term ubuntu is defined in the book
[09:24] <jjesse> along w/ the term kubuntu
[09:58] <mdke> LaserJock: pong
[10:09] <nixternal> LaserJock: ping?
[10:15] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:16] <LaserJock> sorry, ran to grab a burger
[10:16] <nixternal> you read the marketing list at all?
[10:16] <LaserJock> me, no
[10:16] <nixternal> well, the fridge is open to the community now it seems
[10:16] <LaserJock> mdke: I was wondering about making articles that would tie in the rest of the docs
[10:16] <nixternal> and matthewrevell from the marketing team/lug radio along with a few others are admin's now i guess
[10:16] <jjesse> is that part of the big changes due to the leaving of jdub ?
[10:17] <nixternal> i have no clue...you want me to forward the email to the doc list or to you guys individually?
[10:17] <LaserJock> I can go take a look
[10:17] <nixternal> or ya
[10:17] <nixternal> goto the list and look ;)
[10:18] <LaserJock> mdke: I was reading you're reply to mpt's email about the help page design
[10:20] <LaserJock> nixternal: hehe, you sound a bit enthusiastic
[10:20] <nixternal> im always enthusiastic
[10:21] <nixternal> right now im knee deep in php getting ready to launch ubuntu chicago
[10:21] <LaserJock> mediawiki?
[10:21] <jjesse> how bout geting knee deep in switching from windows :)
[10:21] <nixternal> drupal
[10:21] <crimsun> heh, I'll be at UC next week
[10:21] <nixternal> really
[10:21] <nixternal> gah..i will be on vacation starting friday
[10:21] <mdke> LaserJock: right
[10:22] <nixternal> i have a couple uc guys on the team
[10:22] <nixternal> uic rather
[10:22] <crimsun> in the CS dept.?
[10:23] <nixternal> i think 1 is
[10:23] <crimsun> I'll be there for a few hours
[10:23] <LaserJock> mdke: would it be possible to make overview articles that link to the guides?
[10:23] <mdke> LaserJock: of course
[10:23] <nixternal> jonathan swaciger is one of the guys...
[10:24] <LaserJock> mdke: hmm
[10:26] <manicka> mdke, I dropped off (sleep)and missed some of the discussion re the udsf. I'll see what I can do about forming such a team and get back to you. It may be small to start with
[10:26] <LaserJock> mdke: I think andreas and I would be interested in doing a "Contributing to Ubuntu" article
[10:27] <manicka> and the best way to contact kb for discussion is via email I guess
[10:28] <mdke> manicka: I'll do that
[10:28] <mdke> LaserJock: that would be very nice.
[10:29] <mdke> I think that could be a great top level document
[10:29] <manicka> frodon is the other key player at the udsf
[10:30] <manicka> KB's right hand man
[10:30] <mdke> I've encountered him briefly on the forum, seems very sensible
[10:30] <mdke> ok, I'll mail them tomorrow