[12:16] <lucas> slomo: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/debian-multimedia.html
[12:16] <lucas> added to my cronjob, so it will be updated regularly
[12:29] <crimsun> thanks, lucas.
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Can I get somebody here to upload a quick bugfix for vpnc?
[12:34] <crimsun> URL, please.
[12:35] <Fujitsu> Linked from here: http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/merges/
[12:35] <Fujitsu> (closes bug #53341)
[12:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53341 in vpnc "0.3.3+SVN20051028-3ubuntu1 no longer works" [Untriaged,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53341
[12:39] <crimsun> uploaded.
[12:40] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[12:41] <crimsun> Fujitsu: are you tracking these merges on your wiki page, too?
[12:41] <crimsun> (useful for membership/MOTU application)
[12:42] <Fujitsu> crimsun, no, but I put them on there periodically.
[12:42] <Fujitsu> That reminds me... I've got a package to upload to REVU shortly..
[12:43] <crimsun> well, I suppose it's not /critical/, since CC/TB can look at LP-> Packages
[12:43] <Fujitsu> True.
[12:43] <Fujitsu> The TB approves MOTUs, don't they?
[12:43] <crimsun> yes.
[12:53] <zul> how do you include the *.orig and *.diff when doing debuild?
[12:54] <LaserJock> how do you mean?
[12:54] <LaserJock> -sa
[12:54] <zul> so by doing debuild -sa?
[12:54] <LaserJock> well debuild -S -sa
[12:54] <zul> ah ok
[01:00] <shawarma> Anyone care to sponser my bacula merge? http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/bacula-merge.diff
[01:02] <LaserJock> I'm working on it now
[01:02] <LaserJock> sorry I'm slow
[01:03] <shawarma> LaserJock: Quite alright.
[01:03] <shawarma> LaserJock: It builds on both amd64  and i386.
[01:03] <shawarma> Maybe I should throw my build logs on the webserver as well...
[01:04] <LaserJock> shesh, that is the mother of all .changes
[01:05] <Fujitsu> Hehehe, I started to merge it a while ago, but then got interrupted... It's gigantic.
[01:10] <shawarma> LaserJock: Huh?
[01:10] <shawarma> LaserJock: Ah, bacause of all the bugs it fixes?
[01:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:11] <shawarma> LaserJock: Yup. Pretty cool upload. :-)
[01:11] <LaserJock> I included all the changelog from the last Ubuntu package to now
[01:11] <LaserJock> does it take forever to compile?
[01:11] <shawarma> LaserJock: Nah, it's not that bad.
[01:12] <shawarma> LaserJock: 12 minutes on i386..
[01:12] <LaserJock> k
[01:13] <shawarma> LaserJock: Slightly less on amd64. Both of them on a 2GHz box.
[01:13] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what they did upstream but the .orig.tar.gz went from 11MB to 2mb
[01:18] <shawarma> The automatically generated patch from MoM was 9 MB. :-)
[01:18] <shawarma> bbiab
[01:20] <zul> only? :0
[01:22] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: shesh, dude, you are going to make the #ubuntu-science log huge ;-)
[01:22] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[01:22] <Fujitsu> How long is it sicne somebody's spoken there?
[01:24] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I had a good conversation today
[01:24] <LaserJock> about getting gchempaint in Ubuntu
[01:24] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[01:24] <LaserJock> and the conversation wasn't with myself, btw.
[01:25] <Fujitsu> Ah. I was thinking it might have been.
[01:26] <Fujitsu> Gah. Now I'll /hopefully/ be able to upload my package to REVU before the connection drops out again...
[01:26] <imbrandon_> lol @ LaserJock
[01:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: dude!
[01:27] <imbrandon_> heya
[01:28] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: where've you been? did you do a podcast on Sat.?
[01:28] <imbrandon_> no my network went down a bit, still havent recorded it
[01:28] <imbrandon_> so i took the weekend to paint the house ;)
[01:29] <LaserJock> I thought maybe a MS operative had taken you out or something
[01:29] <imbrandon_> hahahaha ;)
[01:29] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, urgh. That's probable :P
[01:29] <imbrandon_> sooo whats going on in the -motu world
[01:29] <imbrandon_> hrm i thought StevenK uploaded gtkpod
[01:30] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: wanna revu a merge and upload for me ?
[01:30] <imbrandon_> or busy doing some stuff ?
[01:30] <LaserJock> I can't
[01:31] <LaserJock> my wife is on the way to pick me up
[01:31] <imbrandon_> kk no worries, i'll poke someone in a bit
[01:31] <imbrandon_> ahhh thats a "good thing"(tm)
[01:31] <imbrandon_> ;)
[01:32] <LaserJock> I'm trying to will my 1.3GHz pbuilder machine to spit out bacula
[01:32] <imbrandon_> heh
[01:33] <LaserJock> of all the machines
[01:33] <imbrandon_> hrm , i wish i had a good tv capture card to build a pvr /me grumbles
[01:33] <imbrandon_> hahaha
[01:34] <LaserJock> I've got a 2.6GHz a new intel iMac and a an AMD 2100+ at home
[01:34] <imbrandon_> my pbuilder box is a amd64 3400+ BUT with only 128mb ram LOL
[01:34] <LaserJock> non of which I can use right now
[01:34] <imbrandon_> ouch
[01:34] <imbrandon_> i'm not even sure what the box is i'm on atm
[01:34] <imbrandon_> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-1-686 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 353/1004MB, 66 proc's, 1.1h up
[01:34] <imbrandon_> ahh yea
[01:34] <imbrandon_> good ol celeron machine
[01:35] <imbrandon_> heh nah , you wouldent want this box its a pita most of the time
[01:35] <imbrandon_> now my amd64 3400+ with 2 gig of ram, i LOVE that box hehe just dont have it up and loaded atm
[01:36] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: i can give you a vm on it , i have set one up for hobbs*ee and Sev*eas to build on ;)
[01:36] <LaserJock> well, this iMac is a 1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo with 1GB of ram
[01:37] <imbrandon_> ohhhh nice
[01:37] <LaserJock> but I can't put Ubuntu on it :(
[01:37] <imbrandon_> awww
[01:37] <imbrandon_> man that would be NICE
[01:37] <LaserJock> I think mjg59 has done it
[01:37] <LaserJock> but it takes a lot of hacking around
[01:37] <LaserJock> and this is my work machine so I don't think I should be doing that
[01:37] <imbrandon_> ahh , cant just run bootcamp ?
[01:37] <LaserJock> no
[01:38] <imbrandon_> ouch
[01:38] <LaserJock> mostly it's bootcamp+otherstuff
[01:38] <imbrandon_> ahh
[01:38] <LaserJock> but I don't think you can just install bootcamp and put in the CD
[01:38] <LaserJock> and off you go
[01:38] <LaserJock> you have to play around with lilo
[01:39] <LaserJock> and install this other boot stuff
[01:39] <LaserJock> I don't know, I could do it I'm sure
[01:39] <imbrandon_> ahh ouch
[01:39] <LaserJock> but it would take me a bit and it's not my personal machine so ...
[01:39] <imbrandon_> hrm brb , the flux guys wanna talk
[01:39] <imbrandon_> hehe yea
[01:39] <imbrandon_> that sux
[01:39] <imbrandon_> ;)
[01:41] <LaserJock> shawarma: uploaded, thanks
[02:02] <bluefoxicy> Okay guys pop quiz.
[02:02] <bluefoxicy> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2778  This worked before and doesn't work now.
[02:03] <Fujitsu_> Hm. What's a crack-attack merge doing on REVU?
[02:03] <bluefoxicy> It's failing to build because glob64_t isn't defined; which happens when __USE_LARGEFILE64 isn't defined; which happens when _GNU_SOURCE isn't defined.
[02:04] <bluefoxicy> Now what I want to know is why it worked before; -D_GNU_SOURCE is in CPPFLAGS but not CFLAGS, and CPPFLAGS isn't used for .c files apparently, so this really should have been breaking before.
[02:05] <bluefoxicy> I'm pretty sure I can just stick -D_GNU_SOURCE in CFLAGS but I'll consult the upstream developer as well to make sure this doesn't have any specific (portability) issues and see if he'll get it upstream
[02:40] <Fujitsu_> I uploaded a package to REVU 25 minutes ago, and it still hasn't appeared.
[02:41] <Mikelo> i would like to contribute code
[02:41] <Mikelo> in the near future
[02:41] <Fujitsu_> Hi Mikelo.
[02:47] <Seveas> Fujitsu, are you registered?
[02:49] <Fujitsu_> Ah. I think I uploaded it badly... But now it's saying it can't create the file when I reupload it.
[02:49] <Fujitsu_> And now I'd better be off to class.
[03:02] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:14] <zul> imbrandon_: whats your site again?
[03:14] <zul> with the podcasts
[03:15] <imbrandon_> buntudot.org
[03:15] <zul> thanks
[03:15] <imbrandon_> np
[03:16] <ajmitch> afternoon all
[03:16] <imbrandon_> heya ajmitch
[03:16] <imbrandon_> speaking of podcast when the one you did with jdub gonna be air'd ajmitch ?
[03:17] <ajmitch> ask jdub
[03:17] <imbrandon_> heh okie
[03:18] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:18] <imbrandon_> moins bddebian
[03:18] <bddebian> Hello again imbrandon :-)
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:46] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[03:51] <bddebian> crimsun: But I'm wondering about the xserver-* ones on that page
[03:52] <crimsun> bddebian: no, let rodarvus take care of them
[03:52] <math> hi everyone
[03:52] <crimsun> bddebian: they'll end up being fakesyncs (merges) just like the xserver*
[03:52] <crimsun> bddebian: (orig.tar.gz mismatch)
[03:53] <bddebian> Hello Math
[03:53] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:53] <math> there's a developer here who wants to spend his free time debugging instead of taking care of his gf ;)
[03:53] <crimsun> you are so completely befuddled, math.
[03:53] <LaserJock> I did an upload like an hour ago at least and I' haven't gotten anything
[03:53] <bddebian> Well I guess I'll just go back to being LaserJock's bitch
[03:54] <bddebian> math: Well I do that with a wife and three kids so.. ;-)
[03:54] <crimsun> bddebian is special, though. He's a deity and can afford that.
[03:54] <math> if only I knew what befuddled meant (1st lang = fr)
[03:54] <math> ;)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:54] <crimsun> math: it was a joke implying your priorities are misaligned ;-)
[03:54] <bddebian> Yes, bddebian is God of all Morons
[03:55] <Hobbsee> math: befuddled means very confused :)
[03:55] <bddebian> Well he is from Canukistan so.. ;-P
[03:55] <math> but I'm stuck hard on a beginner thing (5 years of hardcore Java programming doesn't help much getting started in linux dev...)
[03:56] <bddebian> OK, LaserJock says I shouldn't ask for too many syncs, crimsun says I shouldn't do the manual merges, now what..
[03:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: hi! love the kopete crasher! :D
[03:56] <math> so if someone has a minute or two for a little push in the back, it would be greatly appreciated
[03:57] <math> AND there would be another fool in the crowd to frag bugs
[03:57] <crimsun> bddebian: looks like you'll have to mentor, sigh :-p
[03:57] <bddebian> crimsun: Hard to mentor when I don't know anything
[03:57] <bddebian> math: What's the issue?
[03:57] <crimsun> (I love how bddebian insists he doesn't know anything and yet helps people in the same breath)
[03:58] <math> I checked out the code of package gnome-totem and endless pile of documentation (cough!) doesn't say how to start it
[03:58] <bddebian> math: "start it"?
[03:58] <bddebian> The application you mean?
[03:58] <math> there are 2 maintainers and they are really busy people
[03:58] <math> yeah
[03:58] <crimsun> totem I think became part of the slimmer menu spec
[03:58] <math> like "run it", I don't know
[03:59] <crimsun> meaning its menu entry is hidden because it's invoked for mimes
[03:59] <bddebian> math: Just "totem" ?
[03:59] <crimsun> so you can press alt+F2, and type totem, then press Enter
[03:59] <hub> can a M OTU review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2782 ?
[03:59] <math> but in my dev environment
[03:59] <hub> I need one more advocate to upload
[04:00] <bddebian> hub: Aren't you an MOTU?
[04:00] <hub> bddebian: yeah, but I still need advocate for new packages, don't I?
[04:00] <bddebian> math: What do you mean by dev environment?
[04:00] <math> maybe someone would like to pv so I can be more specific without polluting the channel?
[04:00] <bddebian> hub: Not that I know of
[04:00] <crimsun> bddebian: yes, he does.
[04:01] <bddebian> He does?
[04:01] <hub> I need 2, I'm the third ;-)
[04:01] <crimsun> yes. It has been our policy for two releases.
[04:01] <crimsun> c'mon Barry, you were around for that decision.
[04:02] <bddebian> I knew that was the case for non-MOTU packages but I always get the "you maintain Universe, do what you want" crap :-)
[04:02] <bddebian> math: Just shoot, you might be asking a question someone else has as well
[04:02] <math> ok
[04:02] <lifeless> crimsun: wow, thats so undiscoverable
[04:03] <lifeless> there should be a link in the menu saying 'for more items' or something
[04:04] <math> I checked out the code. now I have a bunch of .c files which I have to compile and link. so far so good (let's assume). in Java, if you want to run your program you type "java nameOfYourClassFile" and it starts
[04:04] <crimsun> hub: looks good, I think you'll fix the debian/changelog "Intial" part?
[04:04] <math> runs
[04:05] <bddebian> math: How/where did you get the source?
[04:05] <hub> crimsun: ok. I fixed the type
[04:05] <hub> typo
[04:05] <hub> so I can upload, right?
[04:05] <crimsun> hub: oh, hmm, I don't think we're shipping .la
[04:05] <bddebian> nope
[04:05] <hub> oh
[04:05] <math> from gnome's CVS repository
[04:05] <hub> I should remove them?
[04:06] <bddebian> math: You need to get the source from Ubuntu if you are going to work on an Ubuntu package.  Unless you are packaging something that is not in the Distribution
[04:06] <crimsun> hub: should double-check in -devel, but I'm pretty sure we're not shipping them
[04:06] <hub> 'okay
[04:07] <crimsun> ->coffee
[04:08] <math> ok
[04:08] <bddebian> math: Do you know how to use apt?
[04:08] <math> nope
[04:08] <math> is it a requirement?
[04:09] <bddebian> Well usually, you will 'apt-get source <source package name>'
[04:09] <math> it's some sort of sync program like emerge in gentoo, right?
[04:09] <bddebian> It is a front-end for the dpkg package manager
[04:10] <whiprush> hi guys
[04:10] <bddebian> Heya whiprush
[04:10] <whiprush> ajmitch around?
[04:10] <math> I get an error
[04:10] <math> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[04:10] <bddebian> math: Please don't take this as being rude but you may want to get a little more familiar with Ubuntu before delving too far into development
[04:11] <bddebian> math: Yes, you would need to add a deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:11] <whiprush> hub: hey I read your blog about fixing the leak in gnome-cups-icon, but in edgy I get a 100% cpu thing after a few hours, any tips on how I can figure out what the problem is?
[04:11] <whiprush> hub: thanks for fixing that leak btw, I owe you a beer. :D
[04:11] <math> don't worry, I don't take it rude, I know I'm very green
[04:12] <bddebian> Nothing wrong with that.  I've been doing this a while and I feel green :-)
[04:12] <whiprush> bddebian: dude it's been like 2 years. :)
[04:12] <bddebian> math: You may want to hang around in #ubuntu.  There are some pretty helpful people there also
[04:12] <math> but I've spent quite some time already trying to figure out which way to go and what do to
[04:12] <math> *to do
[04:12] <bddebian> whiprush: I've been doing Debian GNU/Hurd stuff far longer than that :-)
[04:13] <whiprush> sweet.
[04:13] <bddebian> math: What do you mean?  If you like Java, look at some of the Java packages
[04:13] <math> although I consider myself being a really stubborn person for some stuff, my patience is stretched thin
[04:13] <math> anything java in linux is boring
[04:14] <bddebian> Well I would say Java is boring, but I'm jaded :-0
[04:14] <math> trying to program a virtual machine better than Sun's is a waste of time ;)
[04:14] <bddebian> math: I meant packages written in Java, not Java itself :-)
[04:15] <math> I'm trying to do something new, something fresh and different from work
[04:15] <hub> whiprush: I think it was benM that did blog about it
[04:16] <bddebian> math: You can check out the Packaging Guide on http://help.ubuntu.com but if you don't know the distro very well, some of it might not make a lot of sense?
[04:16] <math> I thought that anything that has dependencies on proprietary software was not included in the main packages?
[04:16] <whiprush> hub: hmm, ok, thanks anyway
[04:17] <hub> whiprush: you're welcome
[04:17] <hub> whiprush: that bug was really bugging me
[04:17] <bddebian> math: That is true, and we don't work on main packages here anyway :-)
[04:17] <hub> math: like kernel modules?
[04:17] <bddebian> heh
[04:17] <math> no I mean stuff packaged with the distro
[04:17] <hub> libgtk2.0 has .la shipped with it
[04:18] <hub> or has this changed in edgy?
[04:18] <bddebian> hub: Edgy afaik
[04:18] <math> could be a ppp connection s/w
[04:18] <math> I don't mind, but not some sort of thing no one will use
[04:19] <bddebian> math: ?
[04:19] <hub> bddebian: has them in edgy too
[04:19] <hub> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libgtk2.0-dev&version=edgy&arch=i386&page=1&number=all
[04:19] <math> nevermind
[04:20] <math> ok
[04:20] <math> thanks for the help anyway
[04:20] <bddebian> hub: Hmm, well like crimsun says, I would ask in -devel
[04:21] <math> I probably don't have what it takes anyway
[04:21] <bddebian> math: Read up, hang out :-)
[04:21] <bddebian> math: Sure you do
[04:21] <bddebian> If I can do this stuff, anyone can.. :-)
[04:26] <ajmitch> whiprush: yo
[04:27] <whiprush> ajmitch: hey dude.
[04:27] <whiprush> you refactor all of FDS yet?
[04:28] <ajmitch> you know what the answer to that is...
[04:28] <whiprush> heh
[04:28] <whiprush> yeah
[04:31] <Fujitsu_> Can I poke somebody to remove a dud upload from REVU for me?
[04:35] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: package name?
[04:35] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch, convertall
[04:36] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: right. next time, upload source-only packages
[04:36] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch, I realised that.
[04:36] <ajmitch> :)
[04:36] <Fujitsu_> (seconds after I uploaded the binary :()
[04:36] <ajmitch> & you should really have the version as 0.3.1-0ubuntu1
[04:36] <Fujitsu_> Ah, thanks, I'll fix.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> i thought REVU rejected binaries straight off...
[04:37] <Fujitsu_> Hobbsee, apparently not.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: yeah, apparently.  how odd.
[04:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it does
[04:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: but they don't get removed from the incoming directory
[04:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahh...
[04:44] <Fujitsu_> How do I convince dput that it wants to upload the .orig.tar.gz as well?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: build with -S -sa added in there?
[04:45] <Fujitsu_> I'm sure I did...
[04:49] <Fujitsu_> Oops.
[04:49] <Fujitsu_> Can you purge it again? :S
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:49] <ajmitch> nothing to kill
[04:50] <Fujitsu_> Are you saying I don't exist?
[04:50] <LaserJock> REVU is going to get an eating disorder if you keep this up Fujitsu_
[04:50] <Fujitsu_> True, LaserJock.
[04:50] <Fujitsu_> I think I know how to do it now :)
[04:50] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: no, it was accepted - REVU will accept native packages
[04:50] <Fujitsu_> It's got the source this time!
[04:50] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch, but linda/lintian/everything fails because there's no source archive.
[04:51] <ajmitch> yes
[04:52] <ajmitch> that's when the person reviewing puts in the comments saying fixit now
[04:53] <Fujitsu_> Ah. Thanks.
[04:53] <ajmitch> Fujitsu_: just do another upload, with the orig.tar.gz
[04:53] <Fujitsu_> With a new version number!?
[04:53] <Fujitsu_> It won't let me reupload.
[04:54] <Fujitsu_> It says it's already uploaded...
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: rm *.upload
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: or use dput -f
[04:54] <Fujitsu_> Ah, thanks. I'm new to all this, obviously.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: it's okay, a lot of people are :)
[05:28] <LaserJock> anybody know if you can turn the .pdiffs of in Debian?
[05:29] <ajmitch> explain
[05:29] <ajmitch> you mean for apt?
[05:30] <ajmitch> Acquire::PDiffs
[05:32] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:33] <Fujitsu> Grrrrrr...
[05:33] <Fujitsu> Took out the schools power with a nice spike.
[05:36] <Lathiat> hrm, evolution just ate my inbox, yay
[05:37] <LaserJock> heh
[05:37] <Lathiat> i give up
[05:37] <LaserJock> that's why I used it all of 2 min.
[05:37] <Lathiat> i tried
[05:37] <Lathiat> for a month
[05:37] <Lathiat> i give up
[05:37] <LaserJock> although it probably was mostly my fault
[05:37] <Lathiat> how are corporates upposed to be expected to switch to this :/
[05:40] <bddebian> Ack Kamion and/or Keybuk are going to hate me :-)
[05:44] <LaserJock> what did you do now?
[05:44] <crimsun> (syncs, probably)
[05:44] <bddebian> Aye
[05:46] <LaserJock> hehe, can't be any worse than I gave them
[05:47] <LaserJock> anybody know if I can unmount a bindmount /dev ? I get device busy
[05:48] <crimsun> yes, but you need to stop whatever process has fds open in the bound one
[05:50] <LaserJock> umm, I'm not in my chroots
[05:50] <LaserJock> what else would be using them
[05:55] <LaserJock> darn it, I've been using Ubunt too long. What do I put in fstab to make it *not* automatically mount?
[05:55] <crimsun> noauto
[05:57] <bddebian> hehe
[06:13] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:14] <Hobbsee> night bddebian
[06:35] <Lathiat> interesting, new vista install is image based apparently
[06:35] <Lathiat> altho seems to be able to perform upgrades with it
[06:35] <ajmitch> hm
[06:36] <ajmitch> it's really great that python's ConfigParser can handle smb.conf
[06:36] <ajmitch> except that it strips out comments
[07:25] !lilo:*! no, my feet are really not that small
[07:25] !lilo:*! oops, sorry, wrong window *blush*
[08:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:49] <ajmitch> morning daniel
[08:49] <dholbach> hey Andrew
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[08:50] <dholbach> hey Sarah
[08:51] <Hobbsee> dholbach: uh oh, someone else is using my real name.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[08:51] <ajmitch> ah, Yagisan
[08:51] <crimsun> Hobbsee: being plastered all over edgy-changes will do that.
[08:51] <crimsun> hi daniel
[08:52] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh, true
[08:52] <dholbach> hey Daniel
[08:52] <dholbach> Hobbsee: yeah :-)
[08:52] <dholbach> Fred... nice - it has so much exotic atmosphere to it
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:53] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes, I've noticed a couple of uploads with a 'sarah hobbs'
[08:53] <Hobbsee> dholbach: well, i was michelle a few days ago at work.
[08:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh
[08:53] <Yagisan> heh. could have been worse
[08:54] <dholbach> michelle...
[08:54] <Hobbsee> dholbach: yeah, name tag was at home, so i picked an interesting one from the drawer.
[08:54] <Yagisan> I've recived several letters for me addressed to a Mr <my name> <my wifes surname> o_O
[08:56] <Yagisan> hey, Hobbsee, ajmitch I got good news. My adsl is being canceled because it's no longer profitable because of telstra. Isn't life good.
[08:57] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: heh.  who was it with?
[08:57] <Yagisan> Hobbsee, TPG.
[08:57] <ajmitch> Yagisan: how special
[08:57] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: ah.
[08:57] <Yagisan> Hobbsee, nice sweet $50/month deal
[08:57] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: very.
[08:58] <Yagisan> all gone. any day now, it will stop working unless I can magically pull the cash for a new connection out of thin air
[08:58] <Hobbsee> eek
[09:00] <Yagisan> and to make today complete, a parcel arrived for me at the post office - yet they can't find it
[09:37] <crimsun> Yagisan: what's the next best (most stable) deal?
[10:04] <StevenK> imbrandon: I did upload gtkpod, and I noticed it got rejected, just before I went to bed.
[10:05] <Yagisan> crimsun, cough up some more cash to migrate to an adsl2+ deal - which means I'll need to get a new adsl modem at some stage
[10:05] <Lathiat> Yagisan: ah yes
[10:05] <Lathiat> TPG always ran it fine
[10:05] <Lathiat> telstra would have made that worse ;p
[10:06] <Yagisan> Lathiat, the no longer offer DD for my price range, only CC :(
[10:06] <dholbach> i'm always scared of "upgrade my line" offers - i always fear to not have internet for two weeks ;)
[10:06] <Yagisan> s/the/they
[10:07] <Yagisan> only two weeks ? I expect to lose a whole month
[10:07] <imbrandon> StevenK: ahh did i botch someting ?
[10:15] <StevenK> Unable to validate gtkpod_0.99.4-1ubuntu1.diff.gz from gtkpod_0.99.4-1ubuntu1.dsc: File gtkpod_0.99.4-1ubuntu1.diff.gz mentioned in the changes has a checksum mismatch. 58cfdebca838bf43c157bc80271da04d != 4886fab70d48545fc7fdeb70ddf03f60
[10:15] <StevenK> Again.
[10:15] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:15] <ajmitch> how irritating
[10:15] <StevenK> I'm reuploading now.
[10:16] <imbrandon> kk that url with my orig's is still in the same place
[10:16] <imbrandon> if needed
[10:36] <StevenK> imbrandon: Remind me of the URL?
[10:37] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/gtkpod/
[10:37] <Lathiat> Yagisan: westnet do DD
[10:38] <Yagisan> Lathiat, thanks. Will look into them
[10:38] <Lathiat> (.com.au)
[10:38] <Lathiat> i had them for 2 years
[10:38] <Lathiat> top notch
[10:38] <Lathiat> only moved to get higher speeds out of the borg (iinet)
[10:41] <Lathiat> feck i just ordered the wrong item off ebay
[10:41] <Lathiat> i had two open and somehow bought the wrong one
[10:44] <Yagisan> ouch
[10:44] <Lathiat> meh
[10:44] <Lathiat> its only $13
[10:44] <Lathiat> fortunately i didnt buy the wrong $1000 item ;p
[10:56] <shawarma> Any REVU admins around?
[10:57] <ajmitch> yes
[10:57] <ajmitch> what do you want removed?
[10:57] <shawarma> Could you nuke upload 2715 for me?
[10:57] <ajmitch> name, please?
[10:57] <shawarma> crack-attack
[10:57] <Lathiat> nice name
[10:57] <shawarma> It's a merge I accidentally uploaded to REVU.
[10:57] <ajmitch> nuke or archive?
[10:57] <shawarma> Dunno.
[10:57] <shawarma> :-)
[10:57] <shawarma> Nuke, probably.
[10:58] <ajmitch> archived now
[10:58] <shawarma> Ok.
[10:58] <shawarma> Thanks.
[11:00] <shawarma> Hmm... LaserJock said he uploaded my Bacula merge, but I don't see it in the queue nor is the new version available.. Maybe the queue on Launchpad is out of sync with the actual build queue?
[11:01] <ajmitch> bacula is not listed on edgy-changes
[11:02] <shawarma> And edgy-changes shows when stuff has been built and put into the archive, right?
[11:02] <ajmitch> no
[11:02] <ajmitch> it shows when a source package has been accepted
[11:02] <shawarma> I see.
[11:02] <ajmitch> as you sure that you set distro to edgy in debian/changelog?
[11:03] <shawarma> Hmm.. I'll check.
[11:03] <ajmitch> afaik, if it's unstable, it'll get silently rejected still
[11:03] <shawarma> Wow... you're good!
[11:03] <shawarma> :-)
[11:03] <shawarma> it says unstable. I'll just change it.
[11:04] <ajmitch> & then get someone to upload again
[11:04] <crimsun> (he should have caught that if & when he uploaded)
[11:04] <ajmitch> crimsun: people make mistakes, I've missed that a few times myself
[11:04] <crimsun> yep
[11:05] <ajmitch> which reminds me that I was going to write something to check that before uploads
[11:05] <ajmitch> since dput has a pre_upload_command where you can put in checks like that
[11:06] <shawarma> Any takers? http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/bacula-merge.diff
[11:09] <shawarma> thx
[11:10] <ajmitch> crimsun: isn't it great having eager new MOTUs around to upload stuff for us?
[11:10] <crimsun> ajmitch: very!
[11:11] <jsgotangco> shawarma: how are you doing?
[11:11] <shawarma> jsgotangco: Melting.. But apart from that, I'm feeling great. Two months of summer holidays is just what the doctor prescribed. :-)
[11:12] <shawarma> jsgotangco: How about you?
[11:12] <jsgotangco> drenched in rain here its been raining for a week lol
[11:12] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: bleh.
[11:12] <shawarma> jsgotangco: Really? Well, I'm guessing it's expected this time of year, right?
[11:13] <jsgotangco> shawarma: yes its rainy season here till october
[11:16] <shawarma> jsgotangco: wow.. I've never actually experienced these rain seasons, but on TV they always make it look like that sky just suddenly opens when the rain season starts, *pours* down for the entire duration of the rain season, and the suddenly just stops again.
[11:16] <jsgotangco> yep
[11:16] <shawarma> It actually rains *all* the time?
[11:17] <jsgotangco> since were on top of the equator we're used to 5am sunrise and sunsets, today it was like 10pm here at 6am
[11:17] <jsgotangco> yeah just water
[11:17] <jsgotangco> it doesnt have to be hard rain
[11:17] <jsgotangco> but the raindrops *never* stop
[11:17] <ajmitch> wonderful
[11:17] <jsgotangco> and its also typhoon season
[11:18] <jsgotangco> we just had two typhoons passing in less than a week apart
[11:19] <jsgotangco> my garage is so slippery now because the moss or some algae has been forming on the floor
[11:22] <shawarma> Hmm.... are pushd and popd supposed to be available in /bin/sh ?
[11:22] <crimsun> no,
[11:22] <crimsun> that's a bashism
[11:22] <shawarma> that's what I thought.
[11:23] <shawarma> checkbashisms doesn't detect them.
[11:25] <imbrandon> bashism ?
[11:25] <crimsun> /bin/bash-specific.
[11:25] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:25] <crimsun> oh, that reminds me to comment on the ivtools bug.
[11:26] <Toadstool> 'morning everybody
[11:26] <shawarma> 'morning, Toadstool.
[11:29] <Toadstool> hey shawarma
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: uh....a patch shouldnt be 45 times bigger than the .orig.tar.gz, should it?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> shawarma's bacula has this odd thing.
[11:32] <StevenK> Heh
[11:32] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: http://merges.ubuntu.com/b/bacula/
[11:32] <StevenK> Way cool.
[11:32] <Toadstool> er... no it shouldn't :)
[11:32] <Hobbsee> either upstream did one heck of a lot of work, or MoM's screwed.
[11:32] <Toadstool> wow nice...
[11:32] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: yeah, that's what i thought...
[11:34] <crimsun> 19:13 < LaserJock> I'm not sure what they did upstream but the .orig.tar.gz went from 11MB to 2mb~
[11:34] <crimsun> that was a bit over 10 hours ago
[11:35] <shawarma> Hobbsee: MoM clearly messed up on that one.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> shawarma: yeah, so it seems.  interesting :P
[11:39] <Toadstool> hmm, I'm not sure mom is responsible for that... grab edgy and sid source packages, they are exactly the same as those provided by mom
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: maybe they just did a heck of a lot of fixes.
[11:40] <Toadstool> yeah, the changelog is so huge
[11:40] <crimsun> they really did do a lot of fixes.
[11:42] <StevenK> imbrandon: gtkpod accepted.
[11:42] <shawarma> Yeah, but 89MB worth of patch?
[11:43] <StevenK> I'd be tempted to leave it alone and get Keybuk to poke at it.
[11:44] <shawarma> I've done the merge. No problem there.
[11:45] <shawarma> I'll poke keybuk when he shows up.
[12:09] <imbrandon> StevenK: cool thanks
[12:09] <imbrandon> gnight all , i'm off to dream land
[01:47] <shawarma> If I think a merge is no longer necessary (ie. it should just be synced with Debian) what do I do? Do I still just ping elmo or is there another way now?
[01:47] <ogra> see the DeveloperRessources wikipage
[01:48] <shawarma> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperRessources ?
[01:48] <shawarma> No such page.
[01:48] <ogra> yup
[01:48] <shawarma> Ah.. resources.
[01:48] <shawarma> not ressources. :-)
[01:48] <ogra> bad grammar here :P
[01:49] <ajmitch> close enough :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> sharms: request a sync :)
[01:50] <StevenK> So does anyone have an edgy machine with wireless and want to test my n-m changes?
[01:50] <ajmitch> why not?
[01:50] <ajmitch> StevenK: pass the crack pipe this way
[01:53] <shawarma> StevenK: What have you changed?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> shawarma: new version
[01:54] <shawarma> There's an 0.6.3 out?
[01:55] <StevenK> shawarma: No, 0.6.4
[01:55] <shawarma> Anything cool in it?
[01:55] <StevenK> Lots of bug fixes
[01:55] <shawarma> Nice.
[02:12] <phanatic> afternoon
[02:49] <xopher> StevenK, do I get anything out of n-m, even If Im not using a wireless connection? Is bluetooth going to be integrated into it?
[02:52] <StevenK> It'll look after your wired connection. I don't think it touches bluetooth at the moment.
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:15] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee, you uploading fool
[03:16] <Hobbsee> bddebian: hmmm?
[03:16] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I see your name all over Edgy Changes :-)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> bddebian: what have i done now?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ahh...
[03:18] <Gloubiboulga> hello MOTU world :)
[03:18] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[03:18] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic
[03:19] <bddebian> Hi phanatic
[03:19] <phanatic> hello bddebian
[03:34] <doko> bddebian: are you merging atmel-firmware?
[03:36] <bddebian> doko: I requested a sync.  Should I not have?
[03:38] <doko> bddebian: no, fine, just seeing that one out of date
[03:39] <bddebian> Whew, I thought I was in trouble again.. :-)
[03:39] <bddebian> doko: BTW, I hope you don't mind that I grabbed adonthell?  I tried to ping you
[03:39] <bddebian> Oh and I think kiki was yours too on universe-manual.html?
[03:40] <doko> bddebian: go ahead, I don't care about these
[03:40] <bddebian> OK thanks
[03:41] <bddebian> doko: Is there anything in universe/multiverse that you wouldn't want me to touch?
[03:41] <doko> bddebian: eclipse
[03:42] <Hobbsee> bddebian: you can do kvpnc if you want.
[03:42] <Arbiter> hi everyone
[03:42] <bddebian> Hobbsee: It's all yours ;-P
[03:42] <slomo> bddebian: and when you're finished you could help merging debian-multimedia.org stuff ;P
[03:42] <bddebian> doko: Well that's not on the merge list :-)
[03:42] <bddebian> slomo: Have a list?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> bddebian: *damn*!
[03:43] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Is it bad?  I can take a look if you want
[03:43] <Hobbsee> bddebian: more that i just havent looked, and know that it wont be simplistic, so havent got the motivation :P
[03:43] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, can you review kdocker?
[03:43] <slomo> bddebian: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/debian-multimedia.html   (some of the stuff in d-m.o but not edgy should be imported too)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> bddebian: right now, i'm dealing with getting a kdenetwork update into dapper, to deal with a couple of horrible kopete bugs, while kamion/mdz are around
[03:44] <Yagisan> slomo, speaking of which - their current x264 causes edgys mplayer to FTBFS
[03:44] <Hobbsee> bddebian: *if* it'll build, without gcc breakage.
[03:44] <bddebian> slomo: Any in main?
[03:44] <slomo> Yagisan: fixed in edgy's mplayer
[03:45] <Yagisan> slomo, ?? what version ? (I made my backport a few days ago)
[03:45] <slomo> bddebian: all in multiverse ;) but we don't want to merge all of them probably
[03:45] <slomo> Yagisan: -0ubuntu4... i updated x264 to their latest version a few days ago and then fixed mplayer
[03:46] <bddebian> slomo: We don't?
[03:46] <Yagisan> slomo, thanks. It was on my list of things to bug you abourt this weekend
[03:46] <slomo> bddebian: depends on where we got the package from... in some cases we had the original package from debian
[03:46] <Yagisan> bddebian, eg, you don't want their mplayer
[03:47] <bddebian> Well I need to know the rules if I'm going to "help" :-)
[03:47] <slomo> bddebian: and unace for example... we want to keep debian's version as the one they have is simply unredistributable
[03:47] <slomo> bddebian: just ask me before starting work on a package :)
[03:48] <Yagisan> slomo, I may remember a thing or too, so ping me when slomo's not around.
[03:48] <bddebian> I'd like to finish up the science packages and manual merges but I feel bad that I am inundating ubuntu-archive with sync requests :-)
[03:48] <Yagisan> er
[03:48] <Yagisan> bddebian, ^^
[03:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: stop feeling bad about it.  they prefer that to an unfinished distro.
[04:25] <geser> what is necessary to get file-rc uploaded with the patches from bug 53894 and bug 54036?
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53894 in file-rc "add support for multiuser in update-rc.d" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53894
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54036 in file-rc "add support for usplash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54036
[04:26] <geser> the first is necessary to get file-rc an alternative for the recent sysv-rc again
[05:06] <Viper550> I have a little complaint about how Universe is managed...specifically with XGL
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Viper550: you did some of the kubuntu artwork stuff?
[05:07] <Viper550> Yeah
[05:07] <Viper550> The edgy mockup?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Viper550: looks nice :)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's the one
[05:07] <Viper550> Thanks
[05:07] <Yagisan> Viper550, complaint ?
[05:07] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, ping
[05:07] <Viper550> I've noticed that all the XGL builds on the Universe repository are out of date
[05:08] <slomo> Viper550: because nobody here is really interested in it and wants to work on it probably
[05:08] <Viper550> People who are getting their XGL fixes are getting it from Quinnstorm's repository
[05:08] <Yagisan> Viper550, thanks for volunteering
[05:08] <Yagisan> :)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> why doesnt quinnstorm work on the ubuntu repos then?
[05:08] <Viper550> Maybe you should work closer with Quinnstorm, that might work well
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Viper550: -motu's here and waiting.
[05:09] <Yagisan> Viper550, I'm not sure they should
[05:09] <Yagisan> Viper550, I have a 3rd party repo - but I come here and help for what I have in there
[05:09] <slomo> Viper550: why should we come to him? as said, nobody here seems to be very interested in it and it would be to his and his users' advantage to have everything in universe
[05:10] <tseng> quinnstorm should com here, not the other way around
[05:10] <Viper550> XGL is becoming the latest fad
[05:10] <tseng> we don't care about fads as much as you do.
[05:10] <zul> thats it...its a fad :)
[05:10] <Viper550> I'm even suprised that you have XGL packages on the repository AT ALL
[05:10] <Yagisan> Viper550, yes - fad - and like all fads will pass
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Viper550: if it's something you and quinnstone are interested in, then work on  getting it in.  but dont you dare come in here and whinge about $mypetpackages not being updated.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> what's the current count on packages at the moment?
[05:11] <zul> more than 2 ;)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:11] <ajmitch> Total package names : 25976 (1039k)
[05:11] <ajmitch> about that
[05:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that's binary?  or source?
[05:12] <ajmitch> binary/virtual
[05:12] <ajmitch> still, it's larger than the number of MOTUs
[05:12] <ogra> yet
[05:12] <Viper550> He's even got the latest plugins for XGL!
[05:12] <Hobbsee> ogra: hehe
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Viper550: then get it into ubuntu!
[05:13] <zul> Viper550: still tell him to come here and we can talk about it
[05:13] <Yagisan> Viper550, thank you. I shall file bugs on XGL to be removed as per your request as you feel they are out of date, and think that quinnstorm does a better job :P
[05:13] <jsgotangco> maybe he should work as a MOTU then
[05:13] <Viper550> I'm trying, I just posted in his thread on the Compiz forums about that idea. I'll also PM him on the Ubuntu Forums about this
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: hehehe
[05:13] <jsgotangco> or maybe he's not interested on doing universe as well
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: how many bugs do you think that would clear off the buglist?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yay!  it finally finished building!
[05:14] <zul> Hobbsee: more than 2 :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> zul: more than 42?
[05:14] <ogra> lol
[05:14] <Yagisan> Hobbsee, quite a few
[05:15] <zul> Hobbsee: or 666 ;)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:16] <Arbiter> Viper550, edgy kubuntu mockup? where?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[05:16] <Viper550> And it's a Working Mockup too!
[05:17] <Arbiter> oh... nice :D
[05:17] <Arbiter> who maintains kubuntu kdm package?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: technically tonio
[05:17] <Arbiter> because there's a little issue
[05:18] <Arbiter> i just don't want to have the kubuntu kdm theme set by default :P
[05:18] <Arbiter> (makes trouble on minimal installations)
[05:19] <Arbiter> if you do a minimal install and then you install kde-core you get errors while loading kdm..
[05:19] <Arbiter> :P
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: please file a bug on that.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: and what happens if you install kubuntu-desktop?
[05:19] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, pong
[05:20] <Arbiter> if i install kubuntu-desktop everything is fine
[05:20] <Arbiter> because the kubuntu kdm theme is installed
[05:20] <Arbiter> kde-core doesn't install it
[05:20] <Arbiter> i need to manually edit kdm config file after installation
[05:20] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, colorscheme was successfully rejected from NEW queue
[05:21] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, cool :)
[05:21] <Arbiter> :)
[05:21] <Arbiter> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=colorscheme
[05:21] <Gloubiboulga> I gonna have a look at your packages
[05:21] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, thanks a lot
[05:22] <Viper550> I sent the PM, I'll pastebin what I sent
[05:24] <zul> when is the motu school again?
[05:25] <bddebian> Today, 16:00UTC?
[05:25] <ajmitch> apparantly
[05:25] <zul> because you enoy my company
[05:25] <ajmitch> I'm sure
[05:25] <Viper550> http://www.copypot.com/257
[05:27] <Hobbsee> zul: and where?
[05:28] <zul> #motu-school isnt it?
[05:28] <Yagisan> night all
[05:28] <ajmitch> #ubuntu-motu-school, last I knew
[05:28] <Hobbsee> no idea
[05:28] <Hobbsee> probably
[05:29] <Arbiter> yep, #ubuntu-motu-school
[05:29] <lfittl> dholbach wrote #ubuntu-motu-school in his u-d-a mail
[05:29] <Viper550> what is ubuntu-motu-school for anyway?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Viper550: to teach people how to use cool tools for packaging.
[05:30] <Viper550> oh
[05:31] <tomveens> hey do you know when the new version of blender 2.42 comes in ubuntu?
[05:32] <ajmitch> tomveens: since blender is in main, it needs to be approved by the release team to get in now
[05:33] <lfittl> tomveens: I've asked ogra about it and he said he will request an uvf exception
[05:33] <tomveens> who's ogra?
[05:34] <ogra> me :)
[05:34] <tomveens> hy
[05:34] <ogra> it will need an UVF exception ... takes some paperwork i havent done yet
[05:34] <tomveens> can I ask what that is?
[05:34] <ogra> comparing changelogs and code
[05:35] <ogra> and giving a rationale why it should get udated
[05:35] <ogra> *updatetd
[05:35] <ogra> gah
[05:35] <tomveens> I can give you reasons!
[05:35] <ogra> shiny doesnt count as one ... new and great either
[05:36] <lfittl> ogra: libavformat, libavcodec will have to be promoted to main (new video stuff in 2.42 needs it)
[05:36] <tomveens> okay
[05:36] <tomveens> and is that difficult?
[05:37] <tomveens> I mean a lot of paperwork and discussion
[05:37] <slomo> lfittl: you won't get them in main
[05:37] <ogra> lfittl, hmm, then i have to look at the license situation as well :(
[05:37] <ogra> is it possible to build blender without them at all ?
[05:38] <lfittl> ogra: let me do a test build, will see if it works without them
[05:38] <tomveens> never been here, but I like it here
[05:39] <tomveens> There are not a lot irc channels where people really do stuff
[05:39] <tomveens> Hey, is it difficult to make an ubuntu package?
[05:41] <tomveens> Compiled the kernel once. That whas all my compiling experience. (need to learn a lot more then?)
[05:42] <lfittl> ogra: will take some time, I have no pbuilder here yet, will ping you when I have results
[05:43] <ogra> ok, thanks a lot :)
[05:45] <lfittl> np, I could also file the UVF exception request if you want, just tell me who I should subscribe to the bug
[05:46] <slomo> lfittl: ubuntu-release
[05:46] <lfittl> slomo: thanks
[05:47] <slomo> but if it definitely needs ffmpeg you should consider moving it to universe instead of moving ffmpeg back in main
[05:48] <ogra> meh, if its anyhow buildable without that ffmpeg stuff i'd really prefer that ... we have some edubuntu blender users
[05:50] <lfittl> ogra: but still, if we build it without the ffmpeg stuff, users will complain that features are missing..
[06:38] <tomveens> what is the status of cinelerra?
[06:39] <tomveens> mean package?
[06:42] <lfittl> tomveens: ask Rodrigo Belem about it, Packaging/Candidates shows him as "Working on it"
[06:43] <tomveens> lfittl,  I'm searching trought the debian log of cinelerra cvs package
[06:45] <lfittl> tomveens: I think rbelem started to work on his own on a package, and unfortunately the debian package is not yet ready, or do you need other information?
[06:45] <tomveens> lfittl, I'm reading that there are also license problems
[06:47] <lfittl> tomveens: sry, don't know about the details
[06:47] <tomveens> lfittl, Another big problem: Currently the build requirements for the debian packages
[06:47] <tomveens> provided from cinelerra-cvs (see
[06:47] <tomveens> http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html or
[06:47] <tomveens> http://developer.skolelinux.no/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/external/cinelerra/hvirtual/README.BUILD?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain
[06:47] <tomveens> ) include a number of packages which are not in Debian but distributed via
[06:47] <tomveens> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ - I hope that it will be possible to
[06:47] <tomveens> create a cinelerra version, which works with free codecs from Debian proper
[06:47] <tomveens> only, and still can use additional codecs from marillat.
[06:47] <tomveens> I know that this most probably will be a long journey or even impossible - but
[06:47] <tomveens> if this _is_ impossible I would like to spread the word, so there is an
[06:47] <tomveens> incentive to work on a truly free tool for editing videos.
[06:48] <tomveens> that's in it
[06:49] <lfittl> tomveens: I think we have some of these packages in multiverse, but will have to go now for 10min, please ask the debian guys oder rbelem about all this stuff
[06:49] <lfittl> s/oder/or/
[07:01] <lfittl> ogra: ping
[07:02] <ogra> lfittl, pong
[07:03] <tomveens> pang
[07:03] <lfittl> ogra: blender builds and works fine without ffmpeg support :)
[07:03] <ogra> yay
[07:03] <ogra> i tried it in my pbuilder and it failed ...
[07:04] <lfittl> you have to edit the config file and disable ffmpeg there
[07:04] <ogra> i thought adding it to scons opts in the rules fie would suffice
[07:04] <ogra> *file
[07:04] <ogra> (thats what i did here)
[07:05] <ogra> gah ... with a typo in the option ... ok ... i'm silly ...
[07:05] <lfittl> yep, i also thought that this would be enought, but only changing it in debian/misc/user-config.py worked here
[07:05] <ogra> but WITH_BF_FFMPEG=0 in rules should work
[07:06] <lfittl> oh, you are right :)
[07:07] <lfittl> do you want to file the uvf exception request?
[07:07] <ogra> probably we could separate the ffmpeg parts somehow into an additional package
[07:07] <lfittl> hmm
[07:07] <ogra> which then could reside in universe
[07:08] <ogra> so you dont miss the functionallity in ubuntu
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> ugh my package on revu has like 100 uploads and 3000 comments
[07:08] <slomo> bluefoxicy: wtf? which package is this?
[07:08] <LaserJock> I think that might be a bit of a stretch :-)
[07:09] <lfittl> ogra: are you thinking of something like blender-ffmpeg which is just blender compiled with ffmpeg, or of a more sophisticated solution?
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> slomo: pax-utils, I still haven't gotten it right
[07:10] <ogra> lfittl, if its possible then only put the ffmpeg bits into that package ... but worst case we even could have a complete second binary (even thats not really desirable)
[07:12] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: the Standards Version and Edgy complaint from lintian are safe to ignore
[07:12] <lfittl> ogra: I don't think we can extract the ffmpeg bits easily into something like a plugin, we would have to write our own plugin loading mechanism, and so on
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  so i.e. just get rid of libc6-dev from build-depends and it's good
[07:13] <ogra> well, i'll think about it and look at the package a bit deeper if i hav some spare time for it
[07:14] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: I'm not sure about that part
[07:14] <lfittl> ogra: k, just tell me if I can help, I have enough time ;)
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  :P
[07:15] <slomo> LaserJock, bluefoxicy: libc6-dev should be dropped... it's in build-essential anyway and you should not build-depend on any build-essential packages
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> slomo:  yeah, I stuck it there trying to figure out wtf was breaking (the build system was breaking the makefile, I've worked out a fix with the upstream developer)
[07:28] <LaserJock> slomo: doh, yeah
[07:28] <LaserJock> did pitti give his MOTU School session already?
[07:28] <slomo> yes, he finished a few minutes ago
[07:28] <LaserJock> dang IT!
[07:29] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, ping
[07:29] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, pong
[07:29] <LaserJock> I was so looking forward to it, I guess I should've checked the time
[07:29] <bddebian> Shit, I missed it too :-(
[07:29] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, i've replaced Section: kde with Section: x11 (right)?
[07:29] <Gloubiboulga> there's a log
[07:30] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, yep, sounds more logical
[07:30] <bddebian> LaserJock: Hey, WTF, the list is growing, not shrinking.. :-)
[07:30] <bddebian> Grr, stupid meetings.. :-(
[07:30] <Gloubiboulga> http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/2006/07/25/%23ubuntu-motu-school.log
[07:31] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, fixed debian/compat, added homepage at the end of the description,  copyright, manpage
[07:31] <Arbiter> but...
[07:31] <Arbiter> debuild_test? what's this?
[07:31] <Arbiter> :P
[07:32] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, when you run 'debuild && debuild -S -sa', no file should be added/removed/modified
[07:32] <LaserJock> bddebian: looks like quite a few things haven't hit the archives yet
[07:32] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, wops :D
[07:32] <LaserJock> I'll update it again later
[07:33] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, should i add a -rm Makefile?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> night all
[07:33] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, good night
[07:33] <Gloubiboulga> night Hobbsee
[07:33] <Arbiter> (in debian/rules, in clean target)
[07:33] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, the Makefile is in the orig tarball IIRC, right?
[07:33] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, no
[07:33] <Arbiter> it's generated with qmake
[07:34] <Gloubiboulga> oh, then yes, remove it in the clean target
[07:34] <Arbiter> uhm... no
[07:34] <Arbiter> it seems to be in orig tarball
[07:34] <Arbiter> i need to reverse the patch in clean, then
[07:35] <Gloubiboulga> qmake doesn't use a Makefile.in file?
[07:35] <Arbiter> no
[07:35] <Arbiter> qmake parses kdocker.pro and generates a Makefiles
[07:36] <Gloubiboulga> ok, so the Makefile shouldn't be present in the orig tarball I guess
[07:36] <Gloubiboulga> it's an upstream 'bug'
[07:37] <slomo> just remove the file in clean
[07:37] <Arbiter> yup
[07:37] <slomo> it won't show up in the diff if it was in the original tarball anyway
[07:37] <Arbiter> # removes patch
[07:37] <Arbiter> 	-patch -p0 --reverse -f < $(CURDIR)/debian/patches/kdocker_paths.patch 2>&1>/dev/null
[07:37] <Arbiter> 	-$(MAKE) distclean
[07:37] <Arbiter> 	-rm Makefile
[07:37] <Arbiter> right?
[07:38] <Gloubiboulga> with a -f :)
[07:38] <Arbiter> but $(MAKE) distclean should remove the Makefile itself
[07:39] <slomo> Arbiter: you should use a patch system instead of doing your own stuff in there
[07:39] <Arbiter> heh
[07:39] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources incidentally is a good write up of it :)
[07:39] <slomo> lucas: thanks for the list :)
[07:40] <lucas> no pb
[07:40] <Arbiter> i'll work on that this night
[07:40] <slomo> lucas: is it automatically updated?
[07:41] <LaserJock> dholbach: yes, it's very nice. I think it will be going into docbook form shortly ;-)
[07:41] <lucas> slomo: yes, four times every day
[07:41] <dholbach> ROCK ON! :)
[07:41] <LaserJock> dholbach: I have a brand new chapter in the Packaging Guide called "Patch Systems" that needs some content :-)
[07:41] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:42] <dholbach> hehe ;)
[07:42] <dholbach> Man, I'm so happy to see this happen.
[07:42] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, if you want someone to read it for whatever reason i'm happy to try and help :)
[07:44] <LaserJock> cool
[07:44] <LaserJock> when I get some real content in (not just a rough outline) I will send some emails to -motu and -devel
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder if i can/should repatch amap to wget the files and mv them into place, or if i should just leave it disabled. *feels disabled is good enough*
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> erm, i'm on devel, so i should see it ;)
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> * :)
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, night all :)
[07:54] <LaserJock> cya Kamping_Kaiser
[07:54] <Arbiter> slomo, i created a dpatch patch :D
[07:55] <Arbiter> effectively calling patch directly from the makefile was a little bit "tricky" :P
[08:04] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, uploaded! it should be fine now (i hope)
[08:04] <Arbiter> :)
[08:05] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, ok
[08:05] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, um... you need to reject your advocate for agave :)
[08:05] <Arbiter> (it uses the patch... patch --reverse stuff)
[08:05] <Gloubiboulga> did I miss something?
[08:06] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, i did't use any patch system
[08:06] <Arbiter> (only direct patch calls)
[08:06] <Arbiter> i'll convert patches for use with dpatch
[08:06] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[08:07] <Gloubiboulga> just write a comment on REVU to say you'll upload a new package
[08:07] <Arbiter> yup
[08:07] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, just wait a minute :)
[08:11] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> see you dholbach
[08:20] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, i'm now testing the new package with pbuilder
[08:20] <Arbiter> (agave)
[08:34] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, I'm off for tonight, I'll check your packages tomorrow
[08:34] <Arbiter> well, thanks
[08:35] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, but you can poke an other MOTU till then :p
[08:35] <Arbiter> hehehe
[08:35] <Gloubiboulga> good night!
[09:51] <zul> how do you create a new page in the wiki?
[09:51] <LaserJock> you go to it
[10:38] !lilo:*! Hi all. With the Debian Project officially repointing irc.debian.org to another network, it seemed helpful to provide an an alternate support channel as an additional resource. #Debian is still available, but if you'd like to help with the alternate channel, please stop by ##debian . Thanks!
[11:00] <LaserJock> boy, isn't this a happenin' place
[11:10] <LaserJock> hmm, this is interesting versioning:
[11:10] <LaserJock> duplicity_0.4.2-2+sftp+amazons3+compression.1
[11:18] <ProN00b> someone told me to complain here
[11:18] <pirast> excuse me, is this the right place to ask questions regarding deb packaging? or is a seperate channel set up for questions?
[11:19] <slomo_> ProN00b: complain about what?
[11:19] <slomo_> pirast: this channel is fine but it seems most people are away/busy atm...
[11:20] <pirast> slomo_ thanks, ill ask anyway :-) I try to package yast2-devtools but when i run sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc it says /bin/sh: ./configure: Permission denied after some time.. whats wrong?
[11:20] <ProN00b> slomo_, that ubuntu always stays with one release of a software till the next release of ubuntu, so it misses big changes like for example the one from ff1 to 1.5, and there isn't even an option to update to the newest
[11:21] <LaserJock> sure there is
[11:21] <LaserJock> we have -security, -updates, and -backports
[11:21] <LaserJock> to get newer, needed versions
[11:22] <jaldhar> pirast: did you use the debianized source from alioth?
[11:22] <slomo_> pirast: maybe configure does not have executable permissions?
[11:22] <LaserJock> pirast: yeah, how did you get the source?
[11:22] <ProN00b> LaserJock, well, i always have all repos (except backports) enabled, and i didn't get firefox 1.5 bevore 6.06 was released
[11:23] <pirast> jaldhar: no, i made it from scratch, because there werent many changes in the alioth ones..
[11:23] <LaserJock> ProN00b: then package it an contribute it to the community :-)
[11:23] <ProN00b> LaserJock, wouldn't have been accepted
[11:23] <LaserJock> ProN00b: I'm pretty sure it's in backport's at least
[11:23] <ProN00b> hmm
[11:23] <ProN00b> ok
[11:23] <ProN00b> now thats interestig
[11:24] <LaserJock> ProN00b: you're right, it probably wouldn't. Firefox is a beast to package
[11:24] <ProN00b> *n
[11:24] <pirast> LaserJock: from http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/YaST
[11:24] <ProN00b> backports contains even newer software than the other repos ?
[11:24] <jaldhar> pirast: the yast4debian project is effectively dead as you've noticed.  Mostly due to lack of time on my part.  But if you want to run with it that would be great.
[11:24] <LaserJock> ProN00b: yes, that's the idea. -backports has packages from Edgy that have been compiled on Dapper
[11:25] <pirast> slomo_ configure has the following permissions: -rwxr-xr-x and i can excute it
[11:25] <jaldhar> pirast: Talk to Mario Fux about getting access to the project
[11:25] <ProN00b> LaserJock, i thought it was the other way arround
[11:25] <ProN00b> LaserJock, what happens when i enable it ?
[11:25] <LaserJock> you get newer packages
[11:25] <ProN00b> can i do apt-get update;apt-get upgrade to get the newest ?
[11:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:25] <ProN00b> thats bad
[11:26] <jaldhar> pirast: as to your problem did you look at config.log to see what was the last thing configure did?
[11:26] <pirast> jaldhar, okay, actually i just wanted to find out how hard it is to package yast.. im a real packaging noob
[11:26] <ProN00b> LaserJock, can i get individual backports ?
[11:26] <LaserJock> ProN00b: sure, you can wander around the archive and pick out the .deb you want
[11:26] <jaldhar> pirast: put it this way, its not a good choice for your first attempt
[11:27] <pirast> jaldhar: what way? btw, i looked at it and found that: caught signal 2
[11:27] <LaserJock> ProN00b: Firefox is a very tough packages, it isn't a trivial thing to update it  in a stable distro
[11:27] <LaserJock> ProN00b: 1.5 is in Dapper
[11:28] <jaldhar> pirast: I mean it is very complex.  You should start with something easier if you are a "real packaging noob"
[11:28] <ProN00b> LaserJock, that 1.0 1.5 thing was only an example
[11:28] <LaserJock> ok
[11:29] <pirast> jaldhar, im familiar with compiling so it is not that bad.. make made a lot of problems, i had to change the makefiles..
[11:29] <LaserJock> well basically the mechanisms we have are -security (security fixes), -updates (very important updates), and -backports (packages from the development release built for other releases)
[11:29] <LaserJock> they go in that order for stability
[11:30] <slomo_> and for -backports you can propose backports by filing a bug
[11:30] <LaserJock> so if you want a stable system you might not want to use -backports, although for most people I would think it would be fine
[11:31] <pirast> jalhar, running the compile progress says this: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234) can it be the problem? id really like to compile it - yast2-devtools for last..
[11:31] <ProN00b> LaserJock, can i have it so i can install packages from backports but not upgrade/update to them automatically
[11:31] <slomo_> pirast: that's no problem... but you should probably really start with something easier... getting something to compile and packaging something is a great difference, especially for complex stuff like yast
[11:32] <jaldhar> pirast: no that always happens with pbuilder
[11:32] <pirast> jaldhar thanks
[11:32] <pirast> slomo_ okay, is there a list with programs waiting for packaging?
[11:33] <LaserJock> ProN00b: sort of, -backports is like any other repo. You could play around with things like pinning but it's designed to be sort of all-or-nothing
[11:33] <ProN00b> well, nothing automatically
[11:33] <LaserJock> I mean if  you add -backports and do a dist-upgrade it will  upgrade all the packages it can
[11:34] <ryanakca> LaserJock: no response from the debian maintainer of typespeed... wait a while or ???
[11:34] <LaserJock> ryanakca: hmm, how long has it been?
[11:34] <slomo_> pirast: the debian RFP list on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=wnpp and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates?action=show&redirect=UniverseCandidates  (but the latter may be out of date, some stuff may already be in debian or ubuntu)
[11:34] <ryanakca> hmmm... dunno exactly.... lemme see..
[11:34] <pirast> slomo_ okay, thanks
[11:34] <ryanakca> 6 days... give them a week?
[11:34] <LaserJock> I guess
[11:35] <slomo_> pirast: but in general it makes most sense to package software that you want to use... not a random piece of software ;)
[11:35] <ryanakca> kk
[11:36] <LaserJock> ryanakca: we have some time
[11:36] <pirast> slomo_ sure but im very happy with ubuntu and I don't really know easy software that is missing.. I know a java program that may be integrated.. But compiling java is very hard.. I tried a little bit..
[11:37] <slomo_> pirast: then a good start would probably be to just help that the current packages we have stay up to date, keep working, etc :)
[11:39] <pirast> slomo_ thanks, okay I think it wont be that hard :-)
[11:41] <pirast> btw. i finally debd it successful.. i used dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b instead of pbuilder.. weird
[11:41] <slomo_> pirast: most of the time not but it's much work ;) what kind of software would you be most interested in btw? :)
[11:42] <pirast> slomo_ software where I can't do much wrong.. and which is used by less people so that I do not shoot everything ;-)
[11:43] <LaserJock> hehe, so maybe not Xorg?
[11:44] <pirast> LaserJock: hehe, no that wouldnt be that nice :-)
[11:44] <pirast> btw., does anybody know if xorg 7.1 is going to be in edgy?
[11:45] <LaserJock> yes
[11:45] <slomo_> it will (partially is already? hard to say from the version numbers...)
[11:45] <LaserJock> yeah, I think so
[11:45] <pirast> LaserJock: how will the nvidia - xorg - abi problem be solved?
[11:45] <LaserJock> "Not My Problem" [TM]  ;-)
[11:46] <pirast> and i bought a nvidia card because of the good linux driver support.. and now they do not have drivers for the new xorg
[11:46] <LaserJock> I don't know, but I have confidence that something will work
[11:46] <pirast> yeah, great
[11:46] <LaserJock> does nvidia currently work in Edgy?
[11:46] <LaserJock> I haven't tested it
[11:46] <tseng> works for me as of a few days ago
[11:47] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[11:47] <slomo_> pirast: imho old radeon cards (up to 9200) or intel cards are the best what you could get regarding driver support ;)
[11:47] <LaserJock> yucky, who wants a 9200? :-)
[11:47] <pirast> baah its terrible
[11:48] <LaserJock> my laptop has a wonder 7000 that Ubuntu seems to support fine :-)
[11:48] <hub> slomo_: 9600 too
[11:48] <slomo_> LaserJock: i have one in my ibook and on my desktop... no problems ever, passive cooled, free drivers *shrug* :)
[11:49] <pirast> hehe my father has a radeon 7000 which causes ubuntu to freeze because of a bug :-(
[11:49] <hub> slomo_: R3xx are supported
[11:49] <pirast> and the bug is there since hoary release day
[11:49] <hub> pirast: the problem is that developer don't have access to bug errata
[11:49] <pirast> and is reported since the hoary release day
[11:51] <pirast> yeah.. but it seems that the bug is solved in xorg 7.1.. but i didnt give it a try yet..
[11:51] <pirast> LaserJock: do you have 3d acceleration with your wonder 7000?
[11:52] <LaserJock> pirast: have no idea, it would be prett pointless even if it did
[11:52] <LaserJock> *pretty
[11:52] <LaserJock> I stick to nvidia if I actually want to use the card
[11:52] <LaserJock> but that's just my own personal feeling
[11:52] <pirast> yeah, i do not play a lot, too.. but sometimes i like to do so ;-)
[11:53] <pirast> i was just interested in it.. because my father's radeon 7000 do not has 3d acceleration
[11:53] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't have it with my right now to test it even :/
[11:54] <Mithrandir> 7000 should have 3d accel just fine.  Not too much acceleration, though.
[11:56] <ProN00b> nvidia and ati seriously need to get their asses onto releasing a gpl driver
[11:56] <pirast> ProN00b, exactly.. but they - sadly - do not..
[11:57] <pirast> ProN00b and we cant force them to do so :-(
[11:58] <ProN00b> why don't more people work on reversing one ?
[11:59] <LaserJock> go for it :-)
[12:01] <hub> pirast: you can force them by not buying their product
[12:02] <ProN00b> hub, no you can't, thats also why monopolys are bad
[12:02] <hub> ProN00b: Intel
[12:02] <ProN00b> well, duopolys
[12:02] <hub> I don't buy ATI nor Nvidia
[12:02] <ProN00b> hub, as if intel had graphics
[12:03] <ProN00b> like 3d graphics
[12:03] <hub> they do
[12:03] <ProN00b> ya ryte
[12:03] <pirast> hub, sure i could.. but does intel have pci pcie cards?
[12:03] <ProN00b> and they can run quake 4
[12:03] <hub> don't know I don't game
[12:03] <ProN00b> intels cards are weak
[12:03] <hub> I have better use than games