[12:18] th1a: i wish he could pay a visiti to this channel [12:19] th1a: also, I would appreciate a url to download the IntroducingPython.mpg from (I only get a cut version, in 48 MB video) [12:20] th1a: and last... (this is FYI), I reading more in depth about SIF and how it coul be applied to Chile and other LAm countries === RichEd__ [n=RichardW@dsl-146-161-59.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-146-161-59.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_work is now known as mhz_food === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:15] !seen spacey [02:15] I last saw spacey (n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey) 4h 55m 8s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat" === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan-aWay is Away, Reason: ( Getting Medical Tests :( ) | Since: ( Monday July 24 2006. 23:20:39 ) Xlack v2.1 === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [02:31] rodarvus! [02:31] jsgotangco, hi there :) [02:31] I was online all the time ;) [02:32] rodarvus: did you receive your olpc board already? [02:32] now I was just restarting X to test an update of Mesa and xorg-server [02:32] jsgotangco, yup [02:32] its here [02:32] I even tested it [02:32] sugar? [02:32] but the usb key I had here is FUBAR [02:32] and I need to buy a new one [02:32] jsgotangco, no, the whole environment [02:32] ahh [02:33] is it technically possible? [02:33] hi guys [02:34] hey [02:38] I decided to try out my sandisk mp3 player in OS X today... it ate all my music :-) [02:39] serves you right for using a proprietary OS [02:40] ;-) [02:42] heck yeah [02:42] and the stupid thing only plays mp3s and wmas I think [02:43] well i haven't found any decent commercial player that has good ogg support [02:43] out of the box [02:46] didn't iriver used to make some models that played vorbis? [02:47] not sure if theyre good at all [02:47] we dont get iriver over here though, mostly creative and samsung [02:49] crimsun: yes, I looked for some [02:49] but the store I went to didn't have any of the iriver's that had ogg :/ [02:50] and the sandisk was cheap (which was pretty important) [02:50] heh === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #edubuntu === Southron [n=Southron@64-18-98-5.adsl.catt.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:55] Hi, Nalioth. [02:56] nalioth: I checked the MD5 on that edubuntu ISO and it checked out fine. [02:58] Southron: did you burn it at 4x or less? [02:58] No, I used Toast and let it choose the "Best" speed. [02:59] I'll try slowing it down. [02:59] burn the cd at lowest possible the data is very tightly compressed [02:59] 4x would be fine [02:59] jsgotangco assembled the bits very careful over three weeks. [02:59] -lly [03:00] doh [03:00] :D [03:00] "India's 'monster eater' retires" [03:04] my first time in #edubuntu but it looks awfully familiar for some reason [03:13] hmm, well its seems like any channel I go into has crimsun in it === mhz_food is now known as mhz [03:14] no, I hit the channel limit a long time ago and stopped trying to join all the ones I need to [03:15] wow [03:15] you're right [03:15] it just happens that those are all ones I'm in [03:15] jsgotangco: can you re-tell me the names I should look up (10 inches laptops thing), pease? [03:19] ecs [03:19] twinhead [03:19] asus [03:19] hmmm [03:19] acer has those as well but with chinese keyboards though [03:20] hmm, you mentioned another one [03:20] i thin even benq has small joybooks as well [03:20] lenovo [03:20] (not the ibm variety) [03:21] even redfox has laptops [03:21] (most of these are mobo manufacturers as well) === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has left #edubuntu [] [03:22] (they may even go in another brand name in other countries btw) === mhz sighs [03:24] jsgotangco: thx [03:24] I [03:24] I'll see what I can do with this info [03:25] every 2 weeks i receive a price mag of whats out and whats being replaced [03:32] mhz: this is what you want [03:32] http://mobilitytoday.com/news/006731/ubuntu_sony_ux [03:36] jsgotangco: but the specs are very specific in my case... 10 inches, 512 MB, 9 GB, 1 RJ45, 1 PCMCIA, bootable from internal CD or external one + other stuff [03:36] and for U$150 === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [03:44] Hello [03:51] jsgotangco: I am crying watching those photos === mhz wants to provide such kind of equipment for teachers === toosa [n=toosa@202.73.108.83] has joined #edubuntu [04:22] jsgotangco: i know you are not fan of moin as I am but I am sure you'll see the benfits of this: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnConfiguration/EmailSupport === jsgotangco checks [04:23] make your moin a mail client? [04:23] goodness what's next have it manage my schedule? [04:24] nah, jsgotangco we are not google :D [04:24] jsgotangco: but see the benefits of mailing your wiki pages, and or can have wiki links to your emails [04:24] ? [04:24] well yes === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === Southron [n=Southron@64-18-98-5.adsl.catt.com] has left #edubuntu [] === ChrisSLA [n=ChrisL@c-68-84-32-241.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:13] Hello... can I ask a support question? [05:15] sure, just shoot, and those peopel awake will try to answer [05:22] great... has anyone tried to put Edubuntu on a Gateway m255-E laptop? I might be using Gateway for a 1:1 laptop solution using Edubuntu. [05:26] I use my 500 Mhz Celeron for such purpose [05:26] not the best performance, but it has worked [05:27] this is a dual core laptop [05:27] it should work nicely [05:27] yup [05:27] sorry, that was my point, in other words ;) [05:27] the wireless should run out of the box since its IPW2200 [05:27] WXGA should run nicely as well [05:29] can't say about the card reader though [05:30] you can install the 686 kernel later to take advantage of your cpu [05:30] Right. [05:31] if the card reader is the only thing that doesn't work, we'll live. [05:31] well there's the modem as well [05:31] but most people with linux experience are aware of it [05:32] (would be interesting to know if the shortcut keys will work too) [05:32] fill me in... all my linux experience has been server-side, not desktop side. What's the modem issue? [05:33] drivers [05:34] do they exist? ;) [05:34] they are pretty much in the same league as winmodems [05:34] linuxant may have some [05:34] there are some non-free drivers though [05:34] but you'll have to check your system [05:35] hm. Not having modem access for lower-income kids who don't necessarily have high bandwidth at home would be a bad thing. [05:35] yes that's an issue [05:36] hm, where would you suggest I start looking? [05:36] are you deploying it on a mass scale? [05:36] school-wide, if we do it. Yes. [05:36] 110 9th graders and 15 faculty/staff. [05:36] because we have a programme manager here in Edubuntu he may work something out [05:36] we're pretty interested in these user case scenarios [05:36] sweet. [05:37] Well... fun part is we're also working with the SchoolNet folks. :) [05:37] if you got time, send an email to richard.weideman@canonical.com about the details [05:37] he [05:37] he's based in cape town so he'll be online later [05:38] gotcha. I have to get through the next day to find out what the district wants us to do. Originally, they did not want us to go 1:1 w/ linux, they wanted to get us Mac machines. Now the money is drying up, and I'm pushing an edubuntu solution (which was always going to be our server, anyway.) [05:38] sweet [05:39] we do have laptop testing in ubuntu, but we dont have gateway models [05:39] yah. Not so sweet to find out 45 days before the school opens that $150,000 of funds were suddenly not there. ;) [05:39] What laptops do you most recommend? [05:39] at the moment, we have on active testing, Toshiba, IBM and HP [05:39] hm. [05:40] none of them are Philly vendors, I think. [05:40] but we don't even bother with the modems unfortunately [05:40] Really? Why not? Too problematic? [05:40] oh wel have Dell too [05:41] Yeah? hm. I'll place a call tomorrow to Dell to get a quote. I'd like to use Gateway, just because their folks have been amazing at making the price-point as low as possible. [05:41] yeah i would understand that [05:41] nice features for the price btw on that model [05:41] Yeah... and they are giving us a 30% discount. [05:42] Hey ChrisSLA: It's Tom Hoffman. [05:43] We can get the laptops for $860 per -- $935 if we get more ram and DVD / CD-RW instead of just CD. [05:43] Tom! [05:43] How are you? [05:43] oh so you know each other =D [05:44] Indeed. [05:44] ChrisSLA is one of my original inspirations. [05:44] yeah... for a bunch of years now, actually. [05:44] wow [05:44] ... that should tell you how easy it is to inspire Tom. ;) [05:44] He had his kids writing open source PHP apps for his old school like, six years ago. [05:44] that is sooo cool [05:45] When I started, ChrisSLA's school was the model. [05:45] im not really an educator or involved in education, but its one of my interests [05:45] And now I'm trying to figure out how to keep a 1:1 model alive. [05:45] Indeed :-( [05:45] And we hope to be the model again... We've got the faculty to make it happen. [05:46] So you're shopping for cheap PC laptops? [05:46] They've got the right ideas. When this funding cut came down, and I called a few and said, "Do you want whiteboards in classrooms and a few carts, or are you committed to 1:1?" They all knew the answer. And if that means learning Linux, so be it. [05:46] Yeah. [05:46] Gateway just came in with a great quote. [05:48] btw ChrisSLA, I have followed up on our phone conversation, but mostly by working harder on the SIF side of things. [05:48] Focusing on the Moodle integration story. [05:49] Gotcha... any chance of moodle integration by Sept? [05:49] And when are you coming to Philly -- August, right? [05:49] Not a chance. [05:49] rats. [05:49] I can come when you want me to, but we may be able to accomplish more later in the year. [05:49] We're *flying* with Moodle. Absolutely love it. The teachers are all ready to fly with it. [05:49] Yeah, go nuts with that for a while. [05:50] Gotcha -- so what are we going to be using SchoolTool for in Sept? Anything? [05:50] It isn't necessary for my purposes, the way things are shaking out, and I don't think you need it then either. [05:50] ChrisSLA: sorry to interrupt, but are you using dapper's moodle? [05:51] So... I'm thinking we'll just do the Moodle integration as soon as it is ready. [05:51] gotcha... although, we can always install it and play with it and see how we can use it. [05:51] Yes please. [05:51] Actually, what I should be doing right now is finishing a long blog post about the sprint we had last week in NH, which was FANTASTIC. [05:51] Crimsun -- nope. And we're not hosting it ourselves... it's running on our museum partner's server right now, until we open and get our own server. [05:52] ChrisSLA: ok [05:52] yeah, it seemed amazing. [05:52] It looks like what I'll want to do is have a sprint in Philly in early '07. [05:52] sweet. [05:52] And what would be super cool would be bringing some of Jeff's kids up as well. [05:52] Need somewhere to host it? ;) [05:52] jeff elkner? [05:52] Yes. [05:52] wow small world [05:53] Yes, open source in US education is still a small world. [05:53] But on the verge of exploding. [05:53] What is ready to go w/ SchoolTool for Sept? [05:54] Calendar, demographics, attendance. Grading has become problematic, but for personnel reasons, not technical. [05:54] gotcha. [05:54] So we can do your calendar if you just want that. [05:54] To start. [05:54] does attendance include scheduling? [05:54] It doesn't create the schedule automatically. [05:54] If that's what you mean. [05:55] Right. [05:55] Nope... just that it holds it. [05:55] It has the class rosters, meeting times, etc. [05:55] gotcha. [05:55] Does the demographic info include the ability to email parents through SchoolTool? [05:56] Not yet. [05:56] <--- still hoping that SchoolTool can do everything we built at Beacon. :) [05:56] What I've learned is that we just have to get some developers at your school for a week. [05:56] Cut out the middleman (me). [05:57] I sent you all the code (my ugly, crappy, hack-fest code) for Beacon's portal, right? [05:57] heh... damn middlemen. [05:57] I'll come along though ;-) [05:57] I don't recall getting the actual code. [05:57] We'll have you hang out in classes. ;) [05:57] Would it be helpful to have it? I can send you a tar file. [05:57] Actually, probably not. [05:57] I think that's what you said last time. ;) [05:58] Our architecture is so different. [05:58] Yeah. I've got my techie learning python. :) [05:59] Excellent. I do need to get in touch with him... I must admit that when I think about emailing your people [05:59] So back to the laptop issue -- modems are a no-go? [05:59] I flash back to the summer before we re-opened Feinstein, [05:59] when everyone was like "Yes, this technology is great but... CAN'T YOU SEE WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN A SCHOOL?" [06:00] I've been a little gun-shy since... [06:00] hee hee... nah. We're ready for it. The school goal is to be a 21st Century school. [06:00] We need this stuff. [06:00] Modems are generally problematic. [06:00] WinModems, that is. [06:01] The cheap ones. [06:01] And that's what ships standard usually? [06:01] Well, I haven't had to try getting a modem running in a long time. [06:02] Do you have a link for the laptop model? [06:02] This is the modem it ships w/ [06:02] Modem: Integrated V.92 56K modem [06:02] That's not very informative. [06:02] heh. [06:02] I know. [06:02] What's the model number? [06:02] Of the laptop? [06:03] m255-E [06:03] Dual core is good. Mine is tres fast. [06:03] are you running linux on it? [06:04] Yes. [06:04] So you'll get proper SMP on it with no problem. [06:05] SMP? [06:05] Multiprocessor. [06:05] It'll use both cores. [06:05] yeah [06:05] ah. gotcha. [06:05] Which is a good thing ;-) [06:05] indeed. [06:06] lunch brb [06:07] Gawd. This really has been a long day. [06:07] Well... I haven't really kept up with this, but it seems to me that it is likely to be a crapshoot finding a laptop that has a modem that works well under Linux. [06:07] Because modems are so neglected at this point by most users. [06:08] Finding out, 45 days before the school opens -- and after the book list has gone in, that the district isn't going to fund the 1:1 project. [06:08] Yeah. [06:08] So you found this out today? [06:08] Not for poor kids though. Edubuntu should think about that. [06:08] At noon. Yeah; [06:08] :/ [06:08] No... it isn't an Ubuntu thing... [06:08] linuxant might have something [06:08] linuxant.com or org? [06:09] I can't remember the exact technical reasons why WinModems are problematic. [06:09] http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ [06:09] Anyhow, I think you might just have to buy the best laptop overall and hope for the best. [06:09] With the modems. [06:09] oy. [06:10] i think its with the patent itself of winmodems [06:10] brb [06:11] Did you see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ [06:12] Yeah... our model isn't on there. [06:13] You need to get them to lend you one. [06:14] It's 45 days until opening. [06:14] Otherwise, you just won't know. [06:14] *wham* *wham* *wham* [06:14] I'm having flashbacks. [06:14] you know... I've been banging my head against the wall all day with this. [06:14] heh. [06:14] I couldn't get the district tech coordinator to return my calls five years ago, except to tell me I had to order Dell, who WOULDN'T RETURN MY CALLS EITHER. [06:15] heh... this does sound familiar. [06:24] o.k. -- I'm off to sleep. have to go find $150,000 tomorrow. *argh* [06:24] One problem is that geeks don't use Gateway, so there's not much about it. [06:24] Online. [06:24] I noticed that. [06:24] I may try to get one in my hands and throw Edubuntu on it. [06:24] That's what you'll have to do. [06:24] yeah. [06:25] Hang in there. [06:25] yeah [06:25] we'll find a way [06:25] although, i don't have much choice... If it's not Edubuntu, it's Windows (EEEEEK) and we limp along. [06:25] I'm reading linmodems.org [06:25] The situation may be better than it was last time I worried about this problem. [06:25] Thanks. I'll be back... unless Apple decides they don't want to lose $110,000 of business and come in w/ a quote I can afford. [06:25] OK. [06:26] ttyl. [06:26] Tom -- I think it is... if the worst thing is the modems, it's not great, but it's doable. [06:26] Night all. [06:26] Thanks again. [06:26] Bye. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.1.57.88] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:20] mornin all [07:20] evening, cbx33 [07:22] hi mhz [07:23] well folkz, time for me to get into the envelope [07:23] hi [07:24] see ya at meeting === mhz is now known as mhz_zZzZ [07:24] hey jsgotangco [07:33] hey [07:53] you will have to install example-content though in edubuntu [07:58] rodarvus: are you related to Jane Vita Novo? [08:05] highvoltage: hey! [08:05] hey jsgotangco :) [08:05] highvoltage: hey dude youve been busy lately :/ [08:06] yeah. it's been tough. have at least another week and a half of intensiveness before things start getting just back to normal again. [08:06] then about another month until things get easier :) [08:06] was thinking of doing some stuff on the website [08:07] adding case studies/experiences [08:07] yesterday someone broke into my car and stole some of mystuff and car radio, which sux a bit. [08:07] jsgotangco: excellent [08:07] ugghh [08:07] jsgotangco: do you still have your user and password? [08:07] i think so [08:07] lol [08:08] jsgotangco: there have been quite some requests to put up case studies by people from the channel and mailing list, so that would be widely appreciated by the edubuntu community if you could manage that [08:09] sure [08:09] i have time at night lately so [08:09] and ive been doing the loco team site of ourse in drupal [08:14] hi jsgotangco, highvoltage [08:14] hey [08:25] hey ajmitch === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage peeks in [09:20] hello HedgeMage [09:20] hi RichEd [09:20] what's up? [09:21] getting into the swing of things ... still quiet here [09:21] did you get the mail about the install issue ? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [09:36] Hi ... [09:37] hey [09:38] salamat po jsgotanco :) [09:38] am i right ? [09:38] hello RichEd ... [09:39] morning jsgotangco & toosa :) === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [09:39] RichEd: hey [09:39] toosa: well if you meant "thank you" that's correct [09:39] in Indonesia is afternoon Rich :) [09:40] well a universal hi then :) [09:40] jsgotanco : oh ic [09:40] :) [09:40] RichEd: if I did, it was lost in he tons of backed up email I have ATM [09:41] RichEd: The army screwed up my sleeping schedule so I'm kind of useless this week. [09:41] FYI until today, the attendance of our 2nd Edubuntu InstallFest & Seminar (29 July) has reach 30 persons [09:41] cool [09:42] please wish us luck ... [09:42] HedgeMage: was a response to the user with the blank screen install problem ... not serious ... i have a note about the issue [09:43] btw good luck with getting your bio-rhythyms back on track [09:43] toosa ... all the luck & goodwill from Africa the home of Ubuntu :) [09:44] thank you ... [09:44] we plan for Big Edubuntu event in 2007 [09:45] Called "Edubuntu Creattive Contest 2007" [09:45] Creative [09:46] nice [09:47] but it is still a concept, i have write it down complety yet [09:47] completely [09:49] is that anyone here has held an event like that ? [09:51] RichEd: ahh okay, I'll hopefully be caught up soon :) [09:52] (was sent as JaneW from her machine) [09:52] RichEd: ahh okay then I did see it [09:52] it got filed in my head as coming form her, sorry === toosa [n=toosa@202.73.108.83] has joined #edubuntu === toosa [n=toosa@202.73.108.83] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-192-208.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.1.57.88] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:17] hi rodarvus ... gotta minute to chat ? === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [11:18] :D [11:26] jsgotangco: when you have a moment, could you suggest via email what you would like to tackle first with Gina & ABS-CBN ? [11:26] sure but she's in NY and no email access (she's on retreat) so we'll have to wait for a while [11:27] yes (got that) but there are lots of good things in your list ... i'd like a bite size chunk we can tackle, and deliver well, and get concrete results to get the whole trust thing going [11:27] oh yeah [11:28] well AFI is pretty big i wont be surprised if 2 of those in the list will be tackled head on [11:28] but basically [11:29] we'll add FOSS education in the current Etv project [11:30] maybe you could rate the listed points ... can i pop you a quick mail with a "simple rating system" ? [11:30] so that when they use the computers provided they'll be able to use it as well [11:30] sure [11:30] will let you know when it is on the way. tx. [11:31] ok ill be leaving in half an hour if im not online ill just check later at home [11:38] good morning [11:38] RichEd, yes, sure [11:39] (40 minutes ago I wasn't online, it was my DSL resetting, it seems) [11:39] rodarvus: brb ... 3 mins [11:40] rodarvus: have you (1) worked with OLPC hardware (2) got access to OLPC hardware [11:41] yes, I got my OLPC hardware last week [11:41] and tested it already [11:41] great :) [11:41] it needs some external hardware to work [11:41] the thai people are suggesting that we get hold of the h/w ourselves, rather than take delivery from them [11:41] I used an old usb key I had here [11:41] but it burnt [11:41] RichEd: the last point from Gina is entirely different. Support, yes, invite Mark S. yes, but Fund no..we can fund it ourselves [11:41] so, I need to buy a new one (will go downtown this week, when I have some spare time) [11:42] RichEd: as for working for ABS, Gina signified interest in hiring me full time [11:42] SIPA pointed us to: http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Developers_Program [11:42] rodarvus: is what you are using compliant ? [11:43] yes [11:43] RichEd, yes, it is [11:43] great ... did you fund it, or is it a canonical purchase [11:43] I fund it [11:43] as I need to buy a new one, it would be nice if Canonical could purchase the new one for me, though :) [11:44] brb in 3 minutes [11:44] RichEd: but we wont be able to talk more about it when she arrives back so if I ever get to work for them, most likely end of august early september [11:48]