[12:18] <mhz_work> th1a: i wish he could pay a visiti to this channel
[12:19] <mhz_work> th1a: also, I would appreciate a url to download the IntroducingPython.mpg from (I only get a cut version, in 48 MB video)
[12:20] <mhz_work> th1a: and last... (this is FYI), I reading more in depth about SIF and how it coul be applied to Chile and other LAm countries
[02:15] <Yagisan> !seen spacey
[02:15] <ubotu> I last saw spacey (n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey) 4h 55m 8s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat"
[02:31] <jsgotangco> rodarvus!
[02:31] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, hi there :)
[02:31] <rodarvus> I was online all the time ;)
[02:32] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: did you receive your olpc board already?
[02:32] <rodarvus> now I was just restarting X to test an update of Mesa and xorg-server
[02:32] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, yup
[02:32] <rodarvus> its here
[02:32] <rodarvus> I even tested it
[02:32] <jsgotangco> sugar?
[02:32] <rodarvus> but the usb key I had here is FUBAR
[02:32] <rodarvus> and I need to buy a new one
[02:32] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, no, the whole environment
[02:32] <jsgotangco> ahh
[02:33] <jsgotangco> is it technically possible?
[02:33] <LaserJock> hi guys
[02:34] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:38] <LaserJock> I decided to try out my sandisk mp3 player in OS X today... it ate all my music :-)
[02:39] <crimsun> serves you right for using a proprietary OS
[02:40] <crimsun> ;-)
[02:42] <LaserJock> heck yeah
[02:42] <LaserJock> and the stupid thing only plays mp3s and wmas I think
[02:43] <jsgotangco> well i haven't found any decent commercial player that has good ogg support
[02:43] <jsgotangco> out of the box
[02:46] <crimsun> didn't iriver used to make some models that played vorbis?
[02:47] <jsgotangco> not sure if theyre good at all
[02:47] <jsgotangco> we dont get iriver over here though, mostly creative and samsung
[02:49] <LaserJock> crimsun: yes, I looked for some
[02:49] <LaserJock> but the store I went to didn't have any of the iriver's that had ogg :/
[02:50] <LaserJock> and the sandisk was cheap (which was pretty important)
[02:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:55] <Southron> Hi, Nalioth.
[02:56] <Southron> nalioth: I checked the MD5 on that edubuntu ISO and it checked out fine.
[02:58] <nalioth> Southron: did you burn it at 4x or less?
[02:58] <Southron> No, I used Toast and let it choose the "Best" speed.
[02:59] <Southron> I'll try slowing it down.
[02:59] <jsgotangco> burn the cd at lowest possible the data is very tightly compressed
[02:59] <jsgotangco> 4x would be fine
[02:59] <crimsun> jsgotangco assembled the bits very careful over three weeks.
[02:59] <crimsun> -lly
[03:00] <jsgotangco> doh
[03:00] <Southron> :D
[03:00] <jsgotangco> "India's 'monster eater' retires"
[03:04] <nalioth> my first time in #edubuntu but it looks awfully familiar for some reason
[03:13] <LaserJock> hmm, well its seems like any channel I go into has crimsun in it
[03:14] <crimsun> no, I hit the channel limit a long time ago and stopped trying to join all the ones I need to
[03:15] <LaserJock> wow
[03:15] <LaserJock> you're right
[03:15] <LaserJock> it just happens that those are all ones I'm in
[03:15] <mhz> jsgotangco: can you re-tell me the names I should look up (10 inches laptops thing), pease?
[03:19] <jsgotangco> ecs
[03:19] <jsgotangco> twinhead
[03:19] <jsgotangco> asus
[03:19] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:19] <jsgotangco> acer has those as well but with chinese keyboards though
[03:20] <mhz> hmm, you mentioned another one
[03:20] <jsgotangco> i thin even benq has small joybooks as well
[03:20] <jsgotangco> lenovo
[03:20] <jsgotangco> (not the ibm variety)
[03:21] <jsgotangco> even redfox has laptops
[03:21] <jsgotangco> (most of these are mobo manufacturers as well)
[03:22] <jsgotangco> (they may even go in another brand name in other countries btw)
[03:24] <mhz> jsgotangco: thx
[03:24] <mhz> I
[03:24] <mhz> I'll see what I can do with this info
[03:25] <jsgotangco> every 2 weeks i receive a price mag of whats out and whats being replaced
[03:32] <jsgotangco> mhz: this is what you want
[03:32] <jsgotangco> http://mobilitytoday.com/news/006731/ubuntu_sony_ux
[03:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: but the specs are very specific in my case... 10 inches, 512 MB, 9 GB, 1 RJ45, 1 PCMCIA, bootable from internal CD or external one  + other stuff
[03:36] <mhz> and for U$150
[03:44] <bddebian> Hello
[03:51] <mhz> jsgotangco: I am crying watching those photos
[04:22] <mhz> jsgotangco: i know you are not fan of moin as I am but I am sure you'll see the benfits of this: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnConfiguration/EmailSupport
[04:23] <jsgotangco> make your moin a mail client?
[04:23] <jsgotangco> goodness what's next have it manage my schedule?
[04:24] <mhz> nah, jsgotangco we are not google :D
[04:24] <mhz> jsgotangco: but see the benefits of mailing your wiki pages, and or can have wiki links to your emails
[04:24] <mhz> ?
[04:24] <jsgotangco> well yes 
[05:13] <ChrisSLA> Hello... can I ask a support question?
[05:15] <mhz> sure, just shoot, and those peopel awake will try to answer
[05:22] <ChrisSLA> great... has anyone tried to put Edubuntu on a Gateway m255-E laptop? I might be using Gateway for a 1:1 laptop solution using Edubuntu.
[05:26] <mhz> I use my 500 Mhz Celeron for such purpose
[05:26] <mhz> not the best performance, but it has worked
[05:27] <jsgotangco> this is a dual core laptop
[05:27] <jsgotangco> it should work nicely
[05:27] <mhz> yup
[05:27] <mhz> sorry, that was my point, in other words ;)
[05:27] <jsgotangco> the wireless should run out of the box since its IPW2200
[05:27] <jsgotangco> WXGA should run nicely as well
[05:29] <jsgotangco> can't say about the card reader though
[05:30] <jsgotangco> you can install the 686 kernel later to take advantage of your cpu
[05:30] <ChrisSLA> Right.
[05:31] <ChrisSLA> if the card reader is the only thing that doesn't work, we'll live.
[05:31] <jsgotangco> well there's the modem as well
[05:31] <jsgotangco> but most people with linux experience are aware of it
[05:32] <jsgotangco> (would be interesting to know if the shortcut keys will work too)
[05:32] <ChrisSLA> fill me in... all my linux experience has been server-side, not desktop side. What's the modem issue?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> drivers
[05:34] <ChrisSLA> do they exist? ;)
[05:34] <jsgotangco> they are pretty much in the same league as winmodems
[05:34] <crimsun> linuxant may have some
[05:34] <jsgotangco> there are some non-free drivers though
[05:34] <jsgotangco> but you'll have to check your system
[05:35] <ChrisSLA> hm. Not having modem access for lower-income kids who don't necessarily have high bandwidth at home would be a bad thing.
[05:35] <jsgotangco> yes that's an issue
[05:36] <ChrisSLA> hm, where would you suggest I start looking?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> are you deploying it on a mass scale?
[05:36] <ChrisSLA> school-wide, if we do it. Yes.
[05:36] <ChrisSLA> 110 9th graders and 15 faculty/staff.
[05:36] <jsgotangco> because we have a programme manager here in Edubuntu he may work something out
[05:36] <jsgotangco> we're pretty interested in these user case scenarios
[05:36] <ChrisSLA> sweet.
[05:37] <ChrisSLA> Well... fun part is we're also working with the SchoolNet folks. :)
[05:37] <jsgotangco> if you got time, send an email to richard.weideman@canonical.com about the details
[05:37] <jsgotangco> he
[05:37] <jsgotangco> he's based in cape town so he'll be online later
[05:38] <ChrisSLA> gotcha. I have to get through the next day to find out what the district wants us to do. Originally, they did not want us to go 1:1 w/ linux, they wanted to get us Mac machines. Now the money is drying up, and I'm pushing an edubuntu solution (which was always going to be our server, anyway.)
[05:38] <jsgotangco> sweet
[05:39] <jsgotangco> we do have laptop testing in ubuntu, but we dont have gateway models
[05:39] <ChrisSLA> yah. Not so sweet to find out 45 days before the school opens that $150,000 of funds were suddenly not there. ;)
[05:39] <ChrisSLA> What laptops do you most recommend? 
[05:39] <jsgotangco> at the moment, we have on active testing, Toshiba, IBM and HP
[05:39] <ChrisSLA> hm.
[05:40] <ChrisSLA> none of them are Philly vendors, I think.
[05:40] <jsgotangco> but we don't even bother with the modems unfortunately
[05:40] <ChrisSLA> Really? Why not? Too problematic?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> oh wel have Dell too
[05:41] <ChrisSLA> Yeah? hm. I'll place a call tomorrow to Dell to get a quote. I'd like to use Gateway, just because their folks have been amazing at making the price-point as low as possible.
[05:41] <jsgotangco> yeah i would understand that
[05:41] <jsgotangco> nice features for the price btw on that model
[05:41] <ChrisSLA> Yeah... and they are giving us a 30% discount.
[05:42] <th1a> Hey ChrisSLA:  It's Tom Hoffman.
[05:43] <ChrisSLA> We can get the laptops for $860 per -- $935 if we get more ram and DVD / CD-RW instead of just CD.
[05:43] <ChrisSLA> Tom!
[05:43] <ChrisSLA> How are you?
[05:43] <jsgotangco> oh so you know each other =D
[05:44] <th1a> Indeed.
[05:44] <th1a> ChrisSLA is one of my original inspirations.
[05:44] <ChrisSLA> yeah... for a bunch of years now, actually.
[05:44] <jsgotangco> wow
[05:44] <ChrisSLA> ... that should tell you how easy it is to inspire Tom. ;)
[05:44] <th1a> He had his kids writing open source PHP apps for his old school like, six years ago.
[05:44] <jsgotangco> that is sooo cool
[05:45] <th1a> When I started, ChrisSLA's school was the model.
[05:45] <jsgotangco> im not really an educator or involved in education, but its one of my interests
[05:45] <ChrisSLA> And now I'm trying to figure out how to keep a 1:1 model alive.
[05:45] <th1a> Indeed :-(
[05:45] <ChrisSLA> And we hope to be the model again... We've got the faculty to make it happen.
[05:46] <th1a> So you're shopping for cheap PC laptops?
[05:46] <ChrisSLA> They've got the right ideas. When this funding cut came down, and I called a few and said, "Do you want whiteboards in classrooms and a few carts, or are you committed to 1:1?" They all knew the answer. And if that means learning Linux, so be it.
[05:46] <ChrisSLA> Yeah.
[05:46] <ChrisSLA> Gateway just came in with a great quote.
[05:48] <th1a> btw ChrisSLA, I have followed up on our phone conversation, but mostly by working harder on the SIF side of things.
[05:48] <th1a> Focusing on the Moodle integration story.
[05:49] <ChrisSLA> Gotcha... any chance of moodle integration by Sept?
[05:49] <ChrisSLA> And when are you coming to Philly -- August, right?
[05:49] <th1a> Not a chance.
[05:49] <ChrisSLA> rats.
[05:49] <th1a> I can come when you want me to, but we may be able to accomplish more later in the year.
[05:49] <ChrisSLA> We're *flying* with Moodle. Absolutely love it. The teachers are all ready to fly with it.
[05:49] <th1a> Yeah, go nuts with that for a while.
[05:50] <ChrisSLA> Gotcha -- so what are we going to be using SchoolTool for in Sept? Anything?
[05:50] <th1a> It isn't necessary for my purposes, the way things are shaking out, and I don't think you need it then either.
[05:50] <crimsun> ChrisSLA: sorry to interrupt, but are you using dapper's moodle?
[05:51] <th1a> So... I'm thinking we'll just do the Moodle integration as soon as it is ready.
[05:51] <ChrisSLA> gotcha... although, we can always install it and play with it and see how we can use it.
[05:51] <th1a> Yes please.
[05:51] <th1a> Actually, what I should be doing right now is finishing a long blog post about the sprint we had last week in NH, which was FANTASTIC.
[05:51] <ChrisSLA> Crimsun -- nope. And we're not hosting it ourselves... it's running on our museum partner's server right now, until we open and get our own server. 
[05:52] <crimsun> ChrisSLA: ok
[05:52] <ChrisSLA> yeah, it seemed amazing.
[05:52] <th1a> It looks like what I'll want to do is have a sprint in Philly in early '07.
[05:52] <ChrisSLA> sweet.
[05:52] <th1a> And what would be super cool would be bringing some of Jeff's kids up as well.
[05:52] <ChrisSLA> Need somewhere to host it? ;)
[05:52] <jsgotangco> jeff elkner?
[05:52] <th1a> Yes.
[05:52] <jsgotangco> wow small world
[05:53] <th1a> Yes, open source in US education is still a small world.
[05:53] <th1a> But on the verge of exploding.
[05:53] <ChrisSLA> What is ready to go w/ SchoolTool for Sept?
[05:54] <th1a> Calendar, demographics, attendance.  Grading has become problematic, but for personnel reasons, not technical.
[05:54] <ChrisSLA> gotcha.
[05:54] <th1a> So we can do your calendar if you just want that.
[05:54] <th1a> To start.
[05:54] <ChrisSLA> does attendance include scheduling?
[05:54] <th1a> It doesn't create the schedule automatically.
[05:54] <th1a> If that's what you mean.
[05:55] <ChrisSLA> Right.
[05:55] <ChrisSLA> Nope... just that it holds it.
[05:55] <th1a> It has the class rosters, meeting times, etc.
[05:55] <ChrisSLA> gotcha.
[05:55] <ChrisSLA> Does the demographic info include the ability to email parents through SchoolTool?
[05:56] <th1a> Not yet.
[05:56] <ChrisSLA> <--- still hoping that SchoolTool can do everything we built at Beacon. :)
[05:56] <th1a> What I've learned is that we just have to get some developers at your school for a week.
[05:56] <th1a> Cut out the middleman (me).
[05:57] <ChrisSLA> I sent you all the code (my ugly, crappy, hack-fest code) for Beacon's portal, right?
[05:57] <ChrisSLA> heh... damn middlemen.
[05:57] <th1a> I'll come along though ;-)
[05:57] <th1a> I don't recall getting the actual code.
[05:57] <ChrisSLA> We'll have you hang out in classes. ;)
[05:57] <ChrisSLA> Would it be helpful to have it? I can send you a tar file.
[05:57] <th1a> Actually, probably not.
[05:57] <ChrisSLA> I think that's what you said last time. ;)
[05:58] <th1a> Our architecture is so different.
[05:58] <ChrisSLA> Yeah. I've got my techie learning python. :)
[05:59] <th1a> Excellent.  I do need to get in touch with him... I must admit that when I think about emailing your people
[05:59] <ChrisSLA> So back to the laptop issue -- modems are a no-go?
[05:59] <th1a> I flash back to the summer before we re-opened Feinstein,
[05:59] <th1a> when everyone was like "Yes, this technology is great but... CAN'T YOU SEE WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN A SCHOOL?"
[06:00] <th1a> I've been a little gun-shy since...
[06:00] <ChrisSLA> hee hee... nah. We're ready for it. The school goal is to be a 21st Century school.
[06:00] <ChrisSLA> We need this stuff.
[06:00] <th1a> Modems are generally problematic.
[06:00] <th1a> WinModems, that is.
[06:01] <th1a> The cheap ones.
[06:01] <ChrisSLA> And that's what ships standard usually?
[06:01] <th1a> Well, I haven't had to try getting a modem running in a long time.
[06:02] <th1a> Do you have a link for the laptop model?
[06:02] <ChrisSLA> This is the modem it ships w/ 
[06:02] <ChrisSLA> Modem: Integrated V.92 56K modem 
[06:02] <th1a> That's not very informative.
[06:02] <ChrisSLA> heh.
[06:02] <ChrisSLA> I know.
[06:02] <th1a> What's the model number?
[06:02] <th1a> Of the laptop?
[06:03] <ChrisSLA> m255-E
[06:03] <th1a> Dual core is good.  Mine is tres fast.
[06:03] <ChrisSLA> are you running linux on it?
[06:04] <th1a> Yes.
[06:04] <th1a> So you'll get proper SMP on it with no problem.
[06:05] <ChrisSLA> SMP?
[06:05] <th1a> Multiprocessor.
[06:05] <th1a> It'll use both cores.
[06:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:05] <ChrisSLA> ah. gotcha.
[06:05] <th1a> Which is a good thing ;-)
[06:05] <ChrisSLA> indeed.
[06:06] <jsgotangco> lunch brb
[06:07] <ChrisSLA> Gawd. This really has been a long day.
[06:07] <th1a> Well... I haven't really kept up with this, but it seems to me that it is likely to be a crapshoot finding a laptop that has a modem that works well under Linux.
[06:07] <th1a> Because modems are so neglected at this point by most users.
[06:08] <ChrisSLA> Finding out, 45 days before the school opens -- and after the book list has gone in, that the district isn't going to fund the 1:1 project.
[06:08] <ChrisSLA> Yeah.
[06:08] <th1a> So you found this out today?
[06:08] <ChrisSLA> Not for poor kids though. Edubuntu should think about that.
[06:08] <ChrisSLA> At noon. Yeah;
[06:08] <jsgotangco> :/
[06:08] <th1a> No... it isn't an Ubuntu thing...
[06:08] <jsgotangco> linuxant might have something
[06:08] <ChrisSLA> linuxant.com or org?
[06:09] <th1a> I can't remember the exact technical reasons why WinModems are problematic.
[06:09] <jsgotangco> http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/
[06:09] <th1a> Anyhow, I think you might just have to buy the best laptop overall and hope for the best.
[06:09] <th1a> With the modems.
[06:09] <ChrisSLA> oy.
[06:10] <jsgotangco> i think its with the patent itself of winmodems
[06:10] <jsgotangco> brb
[06:11] <th1a> Did you see this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/
[06:12] <ChrisSLA> Yeah... our model isn't on there.
[06:13] <th1a> You need to get them to lend you one.
[06:14] <ChrisSLA> It's 45 days until opening.
[06:14] <th1a> Otherwise, you just won't know.
[06:14] <ChrisSLA> *wham* *wham* *wham*
[06:14] <th1a> I'm having flashbacks.
[06:14] <ChrisSLA> you know... I've been banging my head against the wall all day with this.
[06:14] <ChrisSLA> heh.
[06:14] <th1a> I couldn't get the district tech coordinator to return my calls five years ago, except to tell me I had to order Dell, who WOULDN'T RETURN MY CALLS EITHER.
[06:15] <ChrisSLA> heh... this does sound familiar.
[06:24] <ChrisSLA> o.k. -- I'm off to sleep. have to go find $150,000 tomorrow. *argh*
[06:24] <th1a> One problem is that geeks don't use Gateway, so there's not much about it.
[06:24] <th1a> Online.
[06:24] <ChrisSLA> I noticed that.
[06:24] <ChrisSLA> I may try to get one in my hands and throw Edubuntu on it.
[06:24] <th1a> That's what you'll have to do.
[06:24] <ChrisSLA> yeah.
[06:25] <th1a> Hang in there.
[06:25] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:25] <jsgotangco> we'll find a way
[06:25] <ChrisSLA> although, i don't have much choice... If it's not Edubuntu, it's Windows (EEEEEK) and we limp along.
[06:25] <th1a> I'm reading linmodems.org
[06:25] <th1a> The situation may be better than it was last time I worried about this problem.
[06:25] <ChrisSLA> Thanks. I'll be back... unless Apple decides they don't want to lose $110,000 of business and come in w/ a quote I can afford.
[06:25] <th1a> OK.
[06:26] <th1a> ttyl.
[06:26] <ChrisSLA> Tom -- I think it is... if the worst thing is the modems, it's not great, but it's doable.
[06:26] <ChrisSLA> Night all.
[06:26] <ChrisSLA> Thanks again.
[06:26] <th1a> Bye.
[07:20] <cbx33> mornin all
[07:20] <mhz> evening, cbx33 
[07:22] <cbx33> hi mhz
[07:23] <mhz> well folkz, time for me to get into the envelope
[07:23] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:24] <mhz> see ya at meeting
[07:24] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco 
[07:33] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:53] <jsgotangco> you will have to install example-content though in edubuntu
[07:58] <highvoltage> rodarvus: are you related to Jane Vita Novo?
[08:05] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hey!
[08:05] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco :)
[08:05] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hey dude youve been busy lately :/
[08:06] <highvoltage> yeah. it's been tough. have at least another week and a half of intensiveness before things start getting just back to normal again.
[08:06] <highvoltage> then about another month until things get easier :)
[08:06] <jsgotangco> was thinking of doing some stuff on the website
[08:07] <jsgotangco> adding case studies/experiences
[08:07] <highvoltage> yesterday someone broke into my car and stole some of mystuff and car radio, which sux a bit.
[08:07] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: excellent
[08:07] <jsgotangco> ugghh
[08:07] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: do you still have your user and password?
[08:07] <jsgotangco> i think so
[08:07] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:08] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: there have been quite some requests to put up case studies by people from the channel and mailing list, so that would be widely appreciated by the edubuntu community if you could manage that
[08:09] <jsgotangco> sure
[08:09] <jsgotangco> i have time at night lately so
[08:09] <jsgotangco> and ive been doing the loco team site of ourse in drupal
[08:14] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco, highvoltage 
[08:14] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:25] <highvoltage> hey ajmitch 
[09:20] <RichEd> hello HedgeMage 
[09:20] <HedgeMage> hi RichEd 
[09:20] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[09:21] <RichEd> getting into the swing of things ... still quiet here
[09:21] <RichEd> did you get the mail about the install issue ?
[09:36] <toosa> Hi ...
[09:37] <jsgotangco> hey
[09:38] <toosa> salamat po jsgotanco :)
[09:38] <toosa> am i right ?
[09:38] <toosa> hello RichEd ...
[09:39] <RichEd> morning jsgotangco & toosa :)
[09:39] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hey
[09:39] <jsgotangco> toosa: well if you meant "thank you" that's correct
[09:39] <toosa> in Indonesia is afternoon Rich :)
[09:40] <RichEd> well a universal hi then :)
[09:40] <toosa> jsgotanco : oh ic
[09:40] <toosa> :)
[09:40] <HedgeMage> RichEd: if I did, it was lost in he tons of backed up email I have ATM
[09:41] <HedgeMage> RichEd: The army screwed up my sleeping schedule so I'm kind of useless this week.
[09:41] <toosa> FYI until today, the attendance of our 2nd Edubuntu InstallFest & Seminar (29 July) has reach 30 persons
[09:41] <HedgeMage> cool
[09:42] <toosa> please wish us luck ...
[09:42] <RichEd> HedgeMage: was a response to the user with the blank screen install problem ... not serious ... i have a note about the issue
[09:43] <RichEd> btw good luck with getting your bio-rhythyms back on track
[09:43] <RichEd> toosa ... all the luck & goodwill from Africa the home of Ubuntu :)
[09:44] <toosa> thank you ...
[09:44] <toosa> we plan for Big Edubuntu event in 2007 
[09:45] <toosa> Called "Edubuntu Creattive Contest 2007"
[09:45] <toosa> Creative
[09:46] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:47] <toosa> but it is still a concept, i have write it down complety yet
[09:47] <toosa> completely
[09:49] <toosa> is that anyone here has held an event like that ?
[09:51] <HedgeMage> RichEd: ahh okay, I'll hopefully be caught up soon :)
[09:52] <RichEd> (was sent as JaneW from her machine)
[09:52] <HedgeMage> RichEd: ahh okay then I did see it
[09:52] <HedgeMage> it got filed in my head as coming form her, sorry
[11:17] <RichEd> hi rodarvus ... gotta minute to chat ?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> :D
[11:26] <RichEd> jsgotangco: when you have a moment, could you suggest via email what you would like to tackle first with Gina & ABS-CBN ?
[11:26] <jsgotangco> sure but she's in NY and no email access (she's on retreat) so we'll have to wait for a while
[11:27] <RichEd> yes (got that) but there are lots of good things in your list ... i'd like a bite size chunk we can tackle, and deliver well, and get concrete results to get the whole trust thing going
[11:27] <jsgotangco> oh yeah
[11:28] <jsgotangco> well AFI is pretty big i wont be surprised if 2 of those in the list will be tackled head on
[11:28] <jsgotangco> but basically
[11:29] <jsgotangco> we'll add FOSS education in the current Etv project
[11:30] <RichEd> maybe you could rate the listed points ... can i pop you a quick mail with a "simple rating system" ?
[11:30] <jsgotangco> so that when they use the computers provided they'll be able to use it as well
[11:30] <jsgotangco> sure
[11:30] <RichEd> will let you know when it is on the way. tx.
[11:31] <jsgotangco> ok ill be leaving in half an hour if im not online ill just check later at home
[11:38] <rodarvus> good morning
[11:38] <rodarvus> RichEd, yes, sure
[11:39] <rodarvus> (40 minutes ago I wasn't online, it was my DSL resetting, it seems)
[11:39] <RichEd> rodarvus:  brb ... 3 mins
[11:40] <RichEd> rodarvus: have you (1) worked with OLPC hardware (2) got access to OLPC hardware  
[11:41] <rodarvus> yes, I got my OLPC hardware last week
[11:41] <rodarvus> and tested it already
[11:41] <RichEd> great :)
[11:41] <rodarvus> it needs some external hardware to work
[11:41] <RichEd> the thai people are suggesting that we get hold of the h/w ourselves, rather than take delivery  from them
[11:41] <rodarvus> I used an old usb key I had here
[11:41] <rodarvus> but it burnt
[11:41] <jsgotangco> RichEd: the last point from Gina is entirely different. Support, yes, invite Mark S. yes, but Fund no..we can fund it ourselves
[11:41] <rodarvus> so, I need to buy a new one (will go downtown this week, when I have some spare time)
[11:42] <jsgotangco> RichEd: as for working for ABS, Gina signified interest in hiring me full time
[11:42] <RichEd> SIPA pointed us to: http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Developers_Program
[11:42] <RichEd> rodarvus:  is what you are using compliant ?
[11:43] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:43] <rodarvus> RichEd, yes, it is
[11:43] <RichEd> great ... did you fund it, or is it a canonical purchase
[11:43] <rodarvus> I fund it
[11:43] <rodarvus> as I need to buy a new one, it would be nice if Canonical could purchase the new one for me, though :)
[11:44] <rodarvus> brb in 3 minutes
[11:44] <jsgotangco> RichEd: but we wont be able to talk more about it when she arrives back so if I ever get to work for them, most likely end of august early september
[11:48] <RichEd> jsgotangco:  it will be nice to get it formalised ... for yourself & us ... i will hold thumbs for you.
[11:52] <jsgotangco> RichEd: replied to your email
[11:52] <RichEd> thanks.
[11:52] <RichEd> rodarvus: how many people in Canonical + (Dev. + Test) do you think will need a OLPC device to help us deliver for Thai ?
[11:53] <ogra> RichEd, one should suffice, as long as he can provide full remote access to the HW
[11:53] <rodarvus> most people can test using Xen, we would probably only need one for ogra (if he wants one) and one on the datacenter
[11:54] <rodarvus> ogra, right
[11:54] <ogra> optimally we should have one setup in the DC and one at home at the person who does the main development (i.e. rodarvus )
[11:54] <rodarvus> it isn't *very* useful remotely because you have to flash the device all the time during development
[11:54] <ogra> heh ... sorry, lagging here :)
[11:54] <RichEd> ogra would you not want to do any hands-on-testing ?
[11:54] <rodarvus> but for casual development/test it is ok
[11:54] <ogra> well, then you need access via a serial line
[11:55] <ogra> from a second machine
[11:55] <rodarvus> indeed
[11:55] <ogra> RichEd, i'm not sure how much time i'll have left to play with this new stuff, my ltsp based specs will keep me quite busy
[11:56] <ogra> (student control panel will take much time for all the new features)
[11:56] <ogra> the ltspfs stuff as well ...
[11:57] <cbx33> sorry guys I won't be able tp make the meeting today
[11:57] <cbx33> will be travelling home
[12:00] <jsgotangco> i dont think ill be around either i have dinner with a friend later
[12:02] <RichEd> ogra & rodarvus : so would 2 be enough then one in DC and a new one for rodarvus ?
[12:02] <rodarvus> I have one already
[12:02] <rodarvus> (don't need another)
[12:02] <rodarvus> we probably need one for the DC
[12:02] <rodarvus> and one for ogra, if he wants
[12:03] <rodarvus> keybuk showed interest too, he is quite skilled and can be helpful
[12:03] <RichEd> rodarvus: "as I need to buy a new one, it would be nice if Canonical could purchase the new one for me, though :)" was this not a serious comment then ?
[12:03] <rodarvus> RichEd, "a new one" == a new usb pen :)
[12:03] <RichEd> cbx33: i have come across someone who is keen & willing to help with Bett (if we get the go ahead)
[12:03] <rodarvus> I need to buy a usb pen to replace the one I lost last week
[12:03] <ogra> keybuk++
[12:03] <cbx33> RichEd: Excellent
[12:03] <cbx33> who is that?
[12:03] <rodarvus> the usb pen is the "hard disk" of the OLPC prototype
[12:04] <RichEd> rodarvus: ahhhh ... well keep the invopice for possible expense claim then
[12:04] <cbx33> I hope to finish up that document we talked about
[12:04] <rodarvus> RichEd, nice, thanks
[12:04] <RichEd> cbx33: will send the mail on to you later today.
[12:04] <cbx33> fantastic
[12:04] <cbx33> RichEd: we're getting ery close to deadline
[12:04] <cbx33> with regards to getting the stand
[12:04] <cbx33> I'm trying to get availability from them
[12:05] <cbx33> but they havn't been returning my calls
[12:05] <cbx33> I'll ring them again now
[12:05] <RichEd> i will chat to jane face-to-face next week (wed) ... send availability info when you get it
[12:06] <RichEd> rodarvus: "keybuk showed interest too, he is quite skilled and can be helpful" it would be useful to have another testing person no ? he may think of different things if he is not as close to the dev. as you ?
[12:06] <rodarvus> RichEd, yes, he is also a good person to discuss development ideas, too
[12:07] <cbx33> if you ever need other testing, I'm in?
[12:07] <RichEd> okay so if i am asked to look at buying for canonical for this specific project, then 2 is a good start ?
[12:07] <rodarvus> cbx33, (if you referring to testing OLPC stuff) you know you can apply for a developer board, right? (it won't cust you a penny ;) )
[12:08] <rodarvus> RichEd, sure it is
[12:08] <cbx33> rodarvus: how do I go about that?
[12:08] <RichEd> tx
[12:08] <cbx33> I'm very interested
[12:08] <rodarvus> RichEd, I don't think the developer boards are currently sold - you probably have to talk to Jim Gettys to ask for them
[12:09] <rodarvus> RichEd, cbx33 -> http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Developers_Program
[12:09] <rodarvus> section #3 "How to apply"
[12:10] <cbx33> excellent
[12:10] <rodarvus> RichEd, I know mjg59 and janimo (Ubuntu developers - but not Canonical personnel) also have received OLPC prototypes already
[12:10] <cbx33> would it be better for me to apply myself, or ask someone here to get one for me?
[12:10] <rodarvus> thats Matthew Garrett and Jani Monoses (is his surname right?)
[12:11] <rodarvus> cbx33, please apply yourself
[12:11] <RichEd> okay ... i will make a note of that
[12:12] <rodarvus> RichEd, they usually hang on #ubuntu-devel
[12:22] <cbx33> ok I've applied
[12:22] <ogra> You fail to give references, in this case to RFC2222 (SASL), RFC1760
[12:22] <ogra>   (S/Key) and RFC2444 (SASL OTP); instead you give a partial
[12:22] <ogra>   description of what would happen when using the SKEY SASL method
[12:22] <ogra>   with dbus.
[12:22] <ogra> from the latest student control panel review .... *SIGH*
[12:23] <cbx33> ogra: where is this from?
[12:23] <rodarvus> don't get angry, it won't help :)
[12:23] <rodarvus> didn't the two of you agreed that you would find someone else to review your specs?
[12:23] <ogra> rodarvus, i dont ... i just wonder how these rfcs would be any relevant ... we use what dbus provides 
[12:24] <ogra> rodarvus, i have to have it reviewed today ... 
[12:24] <rodarvus> imho, you have to have it reviewed two weeks ago :P
[12:24] <rodarvus> my humble opinion: just to your best with this spec, and ask someone else to review it
[12:24] <ogra> iwj is willing to do so ... and i'm willing to get it done with him ... we agreed to communicate by ail to not heat up each other
[12:25] <rodarvus> this is slowly becoming a pet peeve between iwj and you.
[12:25] <rodarvus> its not productive
[12:25] <cbx33> if my gisomount package has appeared on LP, how much longer till it's available in universe?
[12:25] <ogra> rodarvus, i *had* it reviewed and approved from fabbione who wnated one minor grammar change
[12:25] <ogra> after that change fabio wasnt available, so i asked iwj who was ...
[12:25] <rodarvus> cbx33, it really depends on the priority of your package
[12:25] <cbx33> ok
[12:26] <cbx33> what does the appearance on LP signify? - that it has been approved for entry into the universe?
[12:26] <rodarvus> packages on universe, with no reverse-build-depends usually take many hours to a few days to be available
[12:26] <ogra> rodarvus, thast why i'm so upset ... apparently everyone else who reviewed it *before* the deadline was fine wih it
[12:26] <rodarvus> cbx33, also, the build queue is a bit slow currently, as openoffice.org updates are being built for dapper (these take the best part of a day to be built)
[12:26] <rodarvus> ogra, so, again, find someone else to review it.
[12:27] <rodarvus> I suggest Keybuk or Kamion
[12:27] <cbx33> rodarvus: ok
[12:28] <cbx33> RichEd: have gotten through to the BETT planners
[12:28] <cbx33> should be receiving the availability plan through shortly
[12:28] <rodarvus> cbx33, but gisomount was not uploaded yet for edgy (at least not with this name)
[12:28] <RichEd> cbx33:  thanks sending you the mail from John Levin now ...
[12:28] <ogra> rodarvus, in the end mdz will have to approve it ... he's following the mail conversation (and iwj's comments) ...
[12:28] <cbx33> rodarvus: ok cool
[12:29] <cbx33> thanks RichEd 
[12:29] <rodarvus> cbx33, gisomount is sitting on NEW?
[12:29] <cbx33> yes
[12:29] <rodarvus> oh, here -> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3449923/gisomount_1.0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[12:30] <rodarvus> yeah, it can take even longer, then
[12:30] <cbx33> why is that?
[12:30] <rodarvus> it needs to be approved (moved from NEW into Accepted)
[12:30] <cbx33> ah ok
[12:30] <rodarvus> and only then it will be pushed into the buildds
[12:30] <cbx33> I'm just curious
[12:30] <cbx33> not desperate or anything
[12:30] <cbx33> :p
[12:30] <rodarvus> don't worry, its ok :)
[12:31] <cbx33> this is my first universe upload :p - very exciting fo a little guy like me :p
[12:31] <rodarvus> haha :)
[12:31] <rodarvus> may this upload be the first of thousands!
[12:31] <cbx33> i hope so
[12:32] <rodarvus> cbx33, there are about 20 other packages sitting on NEW
[12:32] <cbx33> yeh I know
[12:32] <cbx33> I saw the queue the other day
[12:32] <cbx33> some one in #ubuntu was looking for a pacakge that did just what gisomount does the other day :D
[12:32] <rodarvus> (20 other source packages, I mean)
[12:32] <cbx33> I was really impressed 
[12:46] <cbx33> hmmmm
[12:52] <cbx33> I wonder if I've discovered a bug
[12:52] <cbx33> network proxy in gnome
[12:52] <ajmitch> quite probably :)
[12:52] <cbx33> if you set it to use a proxy script
[12:52] <cbx33> but put an address in the exceptions on the next tab
[12:52] <cbx33> it seems to ignore it?
[12:52] <cbx33> can anyone confirm
[01:04] <Yagisan> spacey, ping
[01:04] <Yagisan> cbx33, very belated pong
[01:09] <spacey> hi
[01:09] <spacey> whats up Yagisan
[01:09] <spacey> Yagisan: my server went *poof* yesterday
[01:10] <Yagisan> spacey, ok. I was pinging you to say your server has disappeared
[01:11] <Yagisan> spacey, otherwise, I'm ok. I see red spots that don't exist, and according to speaclists my eyes are fine
[01:14] <cbx33> so no real progress then?
[01:15] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[01:15] <RichEd> 'lo
[01:15] <cbx33> there are still a number of stands available
[01:15] <cbx33> some decent sized ones too
[01:15] <cbx33> have emailed you the chart
[01:15] <Yagisan> spacey, what exactly went wrong with your server ?
[01:15] <cbx33> havn't had your email yet?
[01:16] <RichEd> great ... will there still be options available next week (re my meetings) i could call you on the phone to chat from Canonical offices after seeing Silbs.
[01:17] <RichEd> sent the mail a while ago 12:42
[01:18] <cbx33> RichEd: yes I'm thinking so
[01:18] <cbx33> phoning would be cool
[01:18] <cbx33> right I'm off guys
[01:18] <cbx33> I could be back intime for meeting
[01:18] <RichEd> bye for now
[01:25] <RichEd> ogra ... how is the house move stuff going - winding up ?
[01:25] <ogra> i'll pick up the truck in 1h  ...
[01:26] <ogra> then i drive cross country tonight and have 4 days to load it ...
[01:26] <RichEd> glad it is not me :)
[01:26] <ogra> on sunday i was planning to be back and to unload ...
[01:26] <ogra> well, its a lazy move ... i pay a lot more for the truck but have more time so i can load a bit every day :)
[01:27] <RichEd> do you still want me to chair the meeting (in 33 mins)
[01:27] <ogra> since i'm all aone thats best i guess ... i wont stress myself :)
[01:27] <ogra> yes, i have to be at the car rental in 33 mins :)
[01:28] <ogra> and given that i dont know this city very well, i might loose trck to find back here which might delay me a bit :P
[01:28] <ogra> if all goes well i'm just 15mins late
[01:28] <RichEd> ogra:  okay ... done : rodarvus i may need some help with meeting ... i'll lead but can you help keep things moving along ?
[01:28] <rodarvus> sure
[01:29] <rodarvus> I don't really think theres much to this specific meeting, anyway
[01:29] <rodarvus> ogra, do you have any message you'd like us to pass?
[01:29] <rodarvus> any status update from last week, etc
[01:29] <ogra> not really, my work this week was nearly all ubuntu related
[01:29] <rodarvus> yep, my case too
[01:30] <ogra> i could tell you about awful codechanges in gnome-power-manager or that gnome-screensaver upstream included all our patches or that the screensaver locations have moved on the FS, but i doubt thats intresting
[01:31] <ogra> my spec work will start next week if i have my lab set up again
[01:31] <ogra> so there was not much for ltsp i have done apart from the SCP spec ...
[01:31] <ogra> s/ltsp/edubuntu/
[01:33] <rodarvus> *nods*
[01:33] <rodarvus> I couldn't progress on automatic swap server as I expected to do this week
[01:33] <rodarvus> as I received an unexpected request from mdz
[01:33] <ogra> we have until spetember to get it done ... no hurry yet
[01:33] <ogra> i 4 weeks we should start to worry though
[01:34] <ogra> *in
[01:34] <ogra> :)
[01:35] <rodarvus> :D
[01:35] <rodarvus> [01:44] <rodarvus> [01:49] <rodarvus> [01:51] <hlabs> hi any one is here
[01:51] <RichEd> yes ...
[01:52] <hlabs> hi. is there an y good SIP softphone for edubuntu
[01:53] <RichEd> we are about to go into a meeting. have you tried searching the ubuntu sites ?
[01:53] <rodarvus> this is not an Edubuntu specific question, but there is Ekiga
[01:54] <hlabs> yeah well ekiga came pre installed with edubuntu.
[01:54] <hlabs> but its not working with other sip providers other then itsself
[01:56] <rodarvus> [01:56] <rodarvus> hlabs, I use Ekiga with more than one provider
[01:56] <rodarvus> it works just fine
[01:56] <hlabs> well i tried to connect to my voipbuster account via it. And it crashed on me.
[01:58] <rodarvus> unfortunately there isn't much I (and I suppose we, on this channel) can do to help you further with this problem - I suggest you ask on #ekiga or on #ubuntu
[01:59] <rodarvus> [01:59] <RichEd> rodarvus: beat me to the cut & paste :)
[01:59] <rodarvus> :)
[01:59] <rodarvus> haha
[03:11] <cbx33> rodarvus, hi
[03:11] <rodarvus> cbx33, hi there
[03:11] <rodarvus> ogra, do you plan to be offline this/next week, during your move?
[03:11] <mhz> re
[03:12] <rodarvus> cbx33, so
[03:12] <cbx33> rodarvus, so abotu the artwork
[03:12] <rodarvus> I suppose Lisa is a Windows person
[03:12] <rodarvus> Jane is, too
[03:12] <cbx33> yes
[03:12] <rodarvus> :)
[03:12] <cbx33> thought she wants to be an ubuntu person
[03:12] <ogra> rodarvus, nope ... but it might happen 
[03:12] <cbx33> it's just that wine doesn't run dreamweaver mx 2004
[03:13] <rodarvus> yeah, but realistically speaking, she'll only be productive (in near future) if she works on photoshop/adobe/etc
[03:13] <rodarvus> Jane uses Windows on her day job
[03:13] <cbx33> photoshop 6 runs fine under wine
[03:13] <cbx33> I'm using it right now
[03:13] <rodarvus> she is online all work day, from 11 AM UTC to 21 PM UTC (with one hour lunch)
[03:14] <mhz> ogra: very clever. migrations should have a slow pace
[03:14] <rodarvus> what do you think would work better - an #edubuntu-artwork channel (or even #edubuntu)
[03:14] <rodarvus> or private msn/whatever conversation?
[03:14] <cbx33> rodarvus, hmmm
[03:14] <cbx33> I don;t know
[03:14] <mhz> #edubuntu, imho
[03:15] <cbx33> I think possibly let them introduce and chat in their own environment
[03:15] <cbx33> msn etc?
[03:15] <cbx33> then we can request them to move it over to IRC
[03:15] <rodarvus> yeah, sure
[03:15] <vb_coder> what is imho
[03:16] <rodarvus> cbx33, but tell lisa to be prepared, Jane is not a native english speaker
[03:16] <cbx33> in my humble opinion
[03:16] <cbx33> ok
[03:16] <rodarvus> and her current english level is far from perfect
[03:16] <cbx33> heheh
[03:16] <cbx33> that's cool
[03:16] <rodarvus> :)
[03:16] <rodarvus> ok, I propose we let the two of them talk
[03:17] <mhz> rodarvus: I have been told many times during last 8 months or so, that non-english -speakers are either not encouraged, do not feel comfortable, or are just afraid of geting closer to projects because most of these projects are carried out in english
[03:17] <rodarvus> (maybe tomorrow - let me just talk to Jane this evening)
[03:17] <cbx33> I second that proposal :p
[03:17] <rodarvus> so they can introduce themselves via msn
[03:17] <cbx33> I too need to speak to lisa
[03:17] <cbx33> :p
[03:17] <rodarvus> and hopefully move to #edubuntu
[03:17] <cbx33> indeed
[03:17] <cbx33> I'm sure it'll be fine
[03:17] <cbx33> btw I spoke too soon....
[03:17] <rodarvus> mhz, yes, you're completely right.
[03:17] <cbx33> wine and photoshop is b0rken under dapper
[03:17] <cbx33> :(
[03:17] <cbx33> big headaches for me
[03:18] <mhz> rodarvus: it actually took me maybe 1 year to finally convinced 4 people to help me with edubuntu stuff
[03:18] <mhz> and they have started to contrinbute now
[03:18] <rodarvus> mhz, my suggestion is to start slowly
[03:18] <rodarvus> create a #edubuntu-cl (or #ubuntu-cl) irc channel
[03:18] <rodarvus> convince people to join this channel
[03:18] <rodarvus> talk with each other, etc
[03:18] <rodarvus> it has to start somewhere
[03:18] <mhz> we have #edubuntu-es and #ubuntu-es
[03:19] <cbx33> rodarvus, so are we thinking to remain here in #edubutnu for artowrk?
[03:19] <rodarvus> yeah, why not
[03:19] <cbx33> ok cool
[03:19] <ogra> cbx33, where else :)
[03:19] <mhz> rodarvus: we also have #ubuntu-cl but it is not aimed to provide tech support, but a way to help cordinate CL activities
[03:19] <rodarvus> this way we can also participate on artwork discussions that are raised
[03:19] <cbx33> yes
[03:19] <rodarvus> mhz, so thats a great start already
[03:20] <mhz> usually, #edubuntu-es and #ubuntu-es are for spanish speakers (many countires in the latter)
[03:20] <mhz> yup
[03:21] <mhz> rodarvus: however, it is teachers  and students I am more concerned about
[03:21] <mhz> (because my #1 goal is edubuntu for latinamerican needs)
[03:22] <mhz> so, if we can open/implement some ways/areas where these folks can see their work is available "officially" it may wake more people and motivate them to join too
[03:23] <mhz> edubuntu default cd's are all english
[03:23] <rodarvus> yes, I was thinking about this too
[03:24] <rodarvus> this is something I'm sure RichEd and ogra are also interested (and one subject we are to talk on our meeting)
[03:24] <mhz> many countries in LAm (latinamerica), the are where maybe 80% of spanish speakers are, dont have good internet access or even no access in some areas.
[03:24] <rodarvus> but one action that comes to my mind is to make it possible for educators and students to add packages specific for their needs
[03:24] <rodarvus> these packages would not be part of the official cd
[03:24] <mhz> yup
[03:25] <mhz> true
[03:25] <cbx33> rodarvus, yes
[03:25] <ogra> thats what universe is for
[03:25] <rodarvus> but it is reasonably easy to create a edubuntu-cl "flavor" of edubuntu
[03:25] <jsgotangco> you can create seeds too
[03:25] <ogra> but we're missing edubuntu specific MOTUS
[03:25] <cbx33> ogra, I'm working on it
[03:25] <rodarvus> so, you can have a cd image specific for spanish users
[03:25] <jsgotangco> seeds
[03:25] <rodarvus> and even press this cdimage, distribute to schools, etc
[03:25] <rodarvus> plenty of opportunities there
[03:25] <mhz> so, very slowly, I have been trying to get people to help me (even teach me) to make and edubuntu for spanish speakers (spanish default)
[03:26] <rodarvus> we have most (all?) of the technical infrastructure to do this available in LaunchPad
[03:26] <rodarvus> we just have to coordinate the effort
[03:26] <ogra> rodarvus, you know how much extra work that will produce ? 
[03:26] <rodarvus> and make sure there is real interest from Chilean people on the project
[03:26] <ogra> you will need to test the 4 install flavors for every know etc
[03:26] <ogra> *knot
[03:26] <rodarvus> ogra, I'm not proposing for us to do that
[03:27] <rodarvus> I'm proposing for Chilean people to create a derivative distribution, based on Edubuntu
[03:27] <rodarvus> this distribution would be run by them
[03:27] <rodarvus> of course, with feedback and support from official Edubuntu
[03:27] <RichEd> mhz: we need to find a method to prioritise requriements
[03:27] <ogra> rodarvus, also no external people have access to the cd build infrastructure ... so that *must* be done by canonical people
[03:27] <mhz> rodarvus: well, my idea was not for chile, but LAm people
[03:27] <RichEd> some kind of effort / reward / impact rating that is impartial
[03:27] <rodarvus> mhz, yeah, s/chile/latin america/ as you wish :)
[03:28] <mhz> rodarvus: :D
[03:28] <rodarvus> ogra, how do distributions such as Baltix generate their cd images?
[03:28] <mhz> rodarvus: and ogra's point is very important... access, extra work, etc
[03:29] <rodarvus> I'm pretty sure one of the targets of sabdfl is to make it *very* easy for people to create derivative distributions
[03:29] <jsgotangco> its been a target since breezy :/
[03:29] <cbx33> rodarvus, I'm very interested in this 
[03:29] <ogra> rodarvus, no idea ...
[03:29] <jsgotangco> its a very old target...
[03:29] <mhz> RichEd: yeah, i admit that is a difficult task for my...set priorities...in developing countries, it feel smore difficult to  do so
[03:30] <cbx33> Open Data Center
[03:30] <ogra> rodarvus, but i suspect they have their own build servers
[03:30] <RichEd> sorry all - bad timing but i have to go out for 30 mins ...
[03:30] <RichEd> back as soon as i can
[03:30] <cbx33> RichEd, did you get my mail?
[03:31] <ogra> rodarvus, baltix has neither seeds nor metapackage
[03:31] <ogra> s
[03:31] <RichEd> cbx33: yep
[03:31] <rodarvus> I believe this "open data center" can become a reality, given time, political and technical will, and a good deal of effort from interested parts
[03:31] <cbx33> mhz, in what way?
[03:31] <cbx33> rodarvus, count me in
[03:31] <cbx33> I think ti's a wonderful idea
[03:32] <cbx33> I now declare the ODC ..... well.....open !!! ;)
[03:32] <cbx33> w000t
[03:32] <mhz> cbx33: it is very possible to split things (any ways) it just requires very clever undersanding of how things can be managed in order not to lose community focus
[03:33] <cbx33> mhz, oh yeh totally
[03:33] <cbx33> but it is theoretically possible
[03:33] <ogra> rodarvus, yes, its called launchpad :)
[03:33] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: launchpad is supposed to do that
[03:33] <ogra> its just far from being where it shall be at some point
[03:33] <rodarvus> ogra, jsgotangco: I'm talking about the hardware for this :)
[03:33] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: "personal" derivative distros are part of launchpad's grand goals
[03:33] <rodarvus> I'm aware that LP is already able to deal with multiple distros :)
[03:34] <jsgotangco> we're tried this before on TheOpenCD with orchard
[03:34] <ogra> rodarvus, LP is supposed to be the UI for it
[03:34] <ogra> (for accessible HW)
[03:34] <mhz> ogra: yup, true, "far". I was even asked "don't we have a LP-es ?"
[03:35] <mhz> spanish speakers feel they are the 2nd widest spoken language on earth
[03:35] <mhz> so they get kind of 'demanding" :D
[03:36] <ogra> i dounbt they are the second :)
[03:36] <mhz> Technically, Spain is doing lots on FLOSS development
[03:36] <ogra> *doubt even
[03:36] <mhz> but LAm people can become a very huge community
[03:36] <ogra> there are ~5 chinese dialects before every other ang :)
[03:36] <ogra> *lang
[03:36] <mhz> ogra: the point is spanish speakers all speak 99% same language
[03:36] <mhz> not dialects
[03:36] <ogra> yup ...
[03:37] <ogra> heh
[03:37] <cbx33> we're getting off point
[03:37] <jsgotangco> i was kidding
[03:37] <cbx33> plus mhz did say "spanish speakers feel....."
[03:37] <mhz> even with the diff in vocabulary we have with Spain, we all understand 99% same things
[03:37] <mhz> cbx33: oh yeah
[03:37] <mhz> ;)
[03:38] <ogra> lol
[03:38] <mhz> jsgotangco: ;D
[03:39] <mhz> my point was simpler... having -es as default, will help many, many schools in Nicaragua, Bolivia, Peru, El Salvador, etc
[03:40] <mhz> many schools with no internet
[03:40] <mhz> maybe one possible simple solution would be
[03:40] <ogra> -es will be the first langpack i re add to the install CD, be sure 
[03:40] <ogra> its on the liveCD though
[03:40] <mhz> to have a CD language pack shipped along with the install CD
[03:41] <ogra> -es, -fr, -de and -en are on the live CD which had more space
[03:41] <mhz> ogra: yeah, but I assume you understand my point is LTSP ;)
[03:42] <mhz> That is why I do not own a much powerfull cmputer than this thin laptop (500 MHz and 256 MB)
[03:42] <ogra> we're hijacked !! http://www.edubuntu.org/
[03:42] <ogra> :)
[03:42] <mhz> if i had a better pc, Id proably not care much about performance on lighter computers ;)
[03:42] <ogra> mhz, yes i understand
[03:42] <cbx33> eee-gad
[03:42] <cbx33> how did that happen?
[03:42] <ogra> mhz, but the install CD is significantly bigger 
[03:42] <ogra> cbx33, DC weirdness ...
[03:43] <ogra> will be soved soon ...
[03:43] <mhz> yup, but lot more possible to install and try than booting workstations with 64 MB and 400 MHz
[03:43] <mhz> they just can't use LiveCd
[03:44] <ogra> thats one of the reasons we ship the install CD
[03:44] <mhz> and I am sure, a LAm plan of adoption of Edubuntu can be easier if I ask for 1 'server' per school than 10 good clients
[03:45] <mhz> there are some good orgs working in LAm in IT-for-Education subjects, but they all know and promote M$
[03:46] <mhz> there might be 1 or 2 that are more open to FLOSS
[03:46] <mhz> (recent 2 years maybe)
[03:47] <mhz> so, I have been trying to contact them, encourage them to try Edubuntu and FLOSS in general (social benefits, economics, etc arguments)
[03:47] <jsgotangco> this is no different in my area either :P
[03:47] <jsgotangco> we have schools with no servers even
[03:47] <mhz> true
[03:48] <mhz> many countries around the world have similar issues
[03:48] <jsgotangco> i am not saying this is a bad thing (planning for such)
[03:48] <jsgotangco> but i dont think we have enough resources do you tihnk?
[03:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: we dont have many resources
[03:49] <mhz> but we have some good amount of knowledge and spirit
[03:49] <mhz> this knowledge also allows us to have vision
[03:50] <jsgotangco> true but not being pessimistic but good luck
[03:50] <ogra> mhz, i'd suggest talking to the baltix people 
[03:50] <mhz> and with that, yes!, we can plan some things
[03:50] <mhz> ogra: why?
[03:51] <bddebian> Hello
[03:53] <ogra> mhz, they build a localized derivative
[03:53] <mhz> yup
[03:54] <cbx33> ogra, I have a recommendation from lisa :D
[03:54] <ogra> yay
[03:55] <ogra> shoot
[03:55] <cbx33> she's wholly onboard with redesigning...._MOST_ things
[03:55] <ogra> cool
[03:56] <cbx33> phew.....
[03:56] <cbx33> I think we're onto a winner here ogra :D
[03:57] <cbx33> rodarvus, Lisa is looking forward to meeting your other half :p
[03:57] <rodarvus> cbx33, nice, I've talked with Jane too
[03:57] <cbx33> excellent
[03:57] <rodarvus> which TZ is Lisa?
[03:57] <cbx33> GMT
[03:57] <ogra> cbx33, just tell her to be careful about Viper550 :)
[03:58] <cbx33> I will
[03:58] <rodarvus> and what time is she usually online?
[03:58] <cbx33> ogra, anything in particular?
[03:58] <ogra> he's very enthusiastic, but his artwork makes me scream all the time :)
[03:58] <cbx33> mainly evenings GMT
[03:58] <cbx33> ogra, :D
[03:58] <rodarvus> good, so afternoons our time
[03:58] <ogra> and he always behaves as if it would have been approved by anyone
[03:58] <rodarvus> Jane is online on the afternoons
[03:58] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:58] <cbx33> excellent
[03:59] <jsgotangco> ogra: USLAB
[03:59] <ogra> which usually isnt the case
[03:59] <rodarvus> ogra, artists are usually like this
[03:59] <rodarvus> hard to deal with
[03:59] <cbx33> hehe
[03:59] <cbx33> lisa is totally the opposite
[03:59] <ogra> rodarvus, well, the others on the art-ml arent :)
[03:59] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:59] <jsgotangco> they are very nice people
[03:59] <cbx33> as I said before she designed the first wallpaper because she thought no one would want it :p
[03:59] <rodarvus> "how CAN YOU not like my PIECE OF ART, you scum bag?"
[03:59] <cbx33> rodarvus, wow...are you like...a real artist ?
[04:00] <rodarvus> I'm married to one :P
[04:00] <ajmitch> heh
[04:00] <ogra> heh
[04:00] <cbx33> heheh
[04:00] <rodarvus> (she's sane, though ;) )
[04:00] <rodarvus> its just that we happen to have a lot of friends that are not soooo sane :)
[04:02] <cbx33> ogra, what is our deadline for artwork?
[04:03] <ogra> the release schedule should have one
[04:03] <cbx33> ok
[04:03] <ogra> else its the artwork team you need to ask
[04:10] <rodarvus> Lisa <-> Jane are connected via MSN, already
[04:10] <cbx33> and talking about dogs :p
[04:10] <rodarvus> I'll try to help Jane setting her irc client later today, when I have some free time
[04:10] <rodarvus> and ask her to join #edubuntu
[04:10] <jsgotangco> great
[04:11] <cbx33> go for it
[04:11] <jsgotangco> mega mushroom!
[04:19] <rodarvus>  i386 build of openoffice.org 2.0.3-3ubuntu3 in ubuntu edgy
[04:19] <rodarvus> 	Requested 2006-07-26 07:00:38 BRT in pocket RELEASE
[04:19] <rodarvus> 	Building on vernadsky
[04:19] <rodarvus> eu ainda mato um.
[04:20] <ogra> ?
[04:20] <rodarvus> pt_BR
[04:20] <ogra> i guessed :)
[04:20] <rodarvus> openoffice.org is building again
[04:20] <rodarvus> and holding aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall other builds on i386
[04:20] <rodarvus> this is really, really, really sad.
[04:21] <rodarvus> this is seriously holding me from being productive
[04:21] <cbx33> :S
[04:21] <cbx33> dang it 
[04:21] <cbx33> we need a second data center :p
[04:21] <RichEd> hi ... i'm back
[04:21] <cbx33> hey RichEd 
[04:22] <ogra> rodarvus, get used to it ...
[04:22] <RichEd> did i miss any useful community conclusions or points for action ? languages etc.
[04:22] <ogra> rodarvus, write a book alongside or something :)
[04:24] <rodarvus> :/
[04:29] <cbx33> RichEd, got a sec?
[04:30] <RichEd> a few :)
[04:30] <mhz> rodarvus: where are you from?
[04:32] <rodarvus> mhz, Brazil
[04:32] <rodarvus> (Curitiba, PR, more specifically)
[04:34] <mhz> rodarvus: oh, last year there was a very important event regarding FLOSS for Education, organized by UNESCO ? 
[04:35] <rodarvus> right, indeed
[04:35] <rodarvus> unfortunately, I was not involved with Edubuntu at that time
[04:35] <rodarvus> and thus, was not involved in this event :/
[04:37] <mhz> guys: I got an email from a teacher. She using AMD version and she complains she can't turn the machine off :(
[04:41] <mhz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18942
[05:40] <ogra> ooof .... this truck is huuuge ... 
[06:29] <RichEd> that's all for me for today ... g'night all
[06:31] <bddebian> ogra: :)
[06:32] <ogra> ciao RichEd 
[06:34] <neurogeek> mhz, ping
[06:36] <mhz> neurogeek: pong
[06:38] <mhz> neurogeek: ?
[07:07] <mhz> neurogeek: ping
[07:29] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/attempt1.mp3
[07:35] <jacques_b> hi there ! 
[07:39] <jacques_b> I've done some reading on edubuntu web site and I am wondering if there is any french translation for edubuntu ?
[07:39] <Burgwork> jacques_b, absolutely
[07:39] <arkan0x> jacques_b, on the boot , press f2
[07:39] <Burgwork> we should probably fix the website
[07:39] <jacques_b> I meant french localisation team ...
[07:39] <arkan0x> sorry 
[07:40] <arkan0x> :p
[07:40] <jacques_b>  and how to contact them
[08:43] <sbartleylinux> We are experiencing an issue with keyboard use on client boot.  We are using Ubuntu Dapper and two types of thin clients and experiencing the symptom on both types.  Basically, the client boots fine.  Gets a login but the user can not type.
[08:43] <sbartleylinux> The mouse works but the keyboard does not.
[08:44] <sbartleylinux> Our workaround has been to use the mouse to click the Options button and choose Disconnect.  This brings up a new login and the keyboard then works.
[08:44] <sbartleylinux> Anyone experiencing anything like this?
[08:46] <sbartleylinux> We are also seeing a separate issue with the Gnome launch rectangle once a user logs in while the desktop is loading.  On some clients, that display screen is very garbled until the actual desktop is up.  
[08:47] <ogra> sbartleylinux, where do you klick "disconnect" ? there is no such button in ldm
[08:48] <ogra> the splash garbling is done by graphics cards that dont support 24bit ... force 16bit ...
[08:48] <sbartleylinux> k.
[08:49] <sbartleylinux> the "disconnect" may not be the right word.  it is in the options menu on the client login screen but I dont have it in front of me to look at the exact option.  brb I will go look at it.
[08:49] <ogra> there are no options either 
[08:49] <ogra> ldm has nothing but a shutdown button ... no menus or other options
[08:49] <ogra> are yu sure you use ubuntu ltsp ?  :)
[08:53] <sbartleylinux> ogra: hmmmm.  It is Ubuntu LTSP w/ Dapper and we do indeed have Options and it has Disconnect.
[08:57] <sbartleylinux> ogra: this is ubuntu desktop with custom kick, not edubuntu.
[08:58] <sbartleylinux> gotta run out for a bit.  will check back in about an hour.  thx.
[09:01] <ogra> sbartleylinux, doesnt matter 
[09:01] <ogra> you dont use ldm apparently
[09:02] <ogra> if you use gdm (the only dm i know with a disconnect button) then you are using xdmcp which is not supported by ubuntu
[09:05] <mhz> sbartleylinux: ogra's right
[09:09] <neoxan> hi Seveas 
[09:47] <Castor_Troy> Hallo
[09:49] <Burgwork> hey Castor_Troy 
[10:06] <sbartleylinux> ok. back.
[10:07] <sbartleylinux> ogra: true. sorry. forgot about not using ldm.  We had to switch to xdmcp because the ssh sessions were just too slow.
[10:21] <sbartleylinux> ogra: so, if xdmcp is unsupported and ssh is too slow, any suggestions on where to go?
[10:21] <ogra> nah, here is fine, i just cant help you with that specific keyboard problem ... imply because i have no xdmcp machines
[10:22] <ogra> *simply
[10:22] <sbartleylinux> k.
[10:40] <rodarvus> ogra, did you noticed the changes on gtk2-themes?
[10:40] <ogra> rodarvus, yes, grumble 
[10:41] <ogra> seb128 had promised me at least a provides for the clearlooks engine so  dont need to change ldm
[10:41] <ogra> but well ...
[10:42] <rodarvus> *nods*
[10:42] <rodarvus> edubuntu-desktop needs updating
[10:42] <ogra> that too
[10:42] <ogra> are they built already ?
[10:42] <rodarvus> yep, published too
[10:42] <rodarvus> we can/should add a versioned build-depends on current gtk2-themes, if at all possible
[10:43] <ogra> i usually dont care about -desktop between the milestones ...
[10:43] <rodarvus> do I need to do something besides updtating *-desktop && ./update ?
[10:43] <ogra> well, be very very careful about the server seed
[10:43] <ogra> but else, no ...
[10:44] <ogra> just make sure there are no weird things added to the -desktop seed like ubuntu-artwork ...
[10:44] <rodarvus> I'm not touching any seeds
[10:44] <ogra> you need to
[10:44] <rodarvus> seeds are ok, apparently
[10:44] <ogra> the metapackages are generated from them
[10:45] <rodarvus> rodarvus@wakko:~/canonical/bzr/ubuntu.edgy$ grep engines *
[10:45] <rodarvus> desktop: * gtk2-engines                 # DanielHolbach (gtk2-engines were merged into one package)
[10:45] <rodarvus> rodarvus@wakko:~/canonical/bzr/ubuntu.edgy$
[10:45] <ogra> so you need to merge the ubuntu seed to get the change from them
[10:45] <rodarvus> dholbach updated it already, it seems
[10:45] <ogra> oh, he never does that ... he usually forgets us :)
[10:45] <rodarvus> :D
[10:46] <ogra> let me pull the recent seeds ...
[10:47] <ogra> short before a new milestone there is often a lot of seed shuffling anyway, so its not really urgent to get that done 
[10:47] <ogra> revno: 502
[10:47] <ogra> committer: Colin Watson <colin.watson@canonical.com>
[10:47] <ogra> aha
[10:48] <ogra> colin merged :)
[10:49] <ogra> looks fine ... just run update ... in case your DEBEMAIL isnt set, edit debian/changelog ...
[10:49] <ogra> rodarvus, ^^
[10:50] <rodarvus> ogra, actually, the real reason I'm doing that is to learn more about seeds and edubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <ogra> yep
[10:50] <rodarvus> I have a spec related to this, you know ;)
[10:50] <ogra> really ? 
[10:50] <ogra> why did that get specced ? that belongs to the normal work 
[10:50] <rodarvus> yes, edubuntu-xfce-desktop
[10:50] <ogra> ah, right :)
[10:51] <ogra> i thought a spec about: rodarvus has to learn to handle seeds and metapackages
[10:51] <rodarvus> hahaha
[10:51] <rodarvus> no :D
[10:51] <ogra> i was already requesting mdz's sanity :)