[01:27] <Riddell> KSystemLog needs an update if anyone wants to volunteer http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23761
[02:13] <imbrandon> Riddell: umm it looks like edgy is already at 0.3.2
[02:13] <imbrandon> brandon@intrepid:~/devel/ksystemlog$ apt-cache madison ksystemlog
[02:13] <imbrandon> ksystemlog | 0.3.2-0ubuntu4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages
[02:13] <imbrandon> ksystemlog | 0.3.2-0ubuntu4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Sources
[03:30] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:30] <lnxkde> any way of exluding a package of beeeing updated
[03:30] <lnxkde> ?
[03:30] <lnxkde> hi Hobbsee
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hi lnxkde 
[03:30] <Hobbsee> pin it?
[03:31] <lnxkde> ?
[03:31] <lnxkde> pin it?
[03:31] <lnxkde> :(
[03:31] <lnxkde> dont know what you meen
[03:31] <Hobbsee> pin the package so it doesnt get updated
[03:31] <Hobbsee> in synaptic there's a  'lock package' function
[03:32] <Hobbsee> dunno if it's there in adept, and i dont know how to find it w.r.t apt-get/aptitude
[03:32] <lnxkde> ohh
[03:32] <lnxkde> ok
[03:32] <lnxkde> now
[03:33] <lnxkde> thankx
[03:33] <lnxkde> I didnt know that the lock option was for that :p
[03:33] <lnxkde> :(
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how's kde 3.5.4 doing?
[03:36] <robotgeek> howdy Hobbsee rob 
[03:36] <robotgeek> Riddell, err
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hi robotgeek 
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell's likely asleep
[03:37] <robotgeek> heh, np
[03:37] <robotgeek> does anyone have a what's new in kubuntu edgy list? (planned stuff also)
[03:38] <lnxkde> someone knows any nice racent movie, documental, video that talks about linux???
[03:38] <robotgeek> hmm, revolution os
[03:38] <robotgeek> pretty old though
[03:38] <lnxkde> just watching it right now
[03:39] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: somewhat
[03:39] <Hobbsee> did htey break mesa with the latest updates?
[03:40] <robotgeek> hmm, i've been busy with new job
[03:41] <lnxkde> bbl
[03:42] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: link to somewhat list?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: ssh into my brain :P
[03:43] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: url :)
[03:43] <robotgeek> URI, rather
[03:43] <robotgeek> (lame)
[03:43] <robotgeek> i really need to get with jjess
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:44] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:00] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: in short, kde 3.5.4, kopete 0.12.1, konversation 0.20, more sane defaults, other upgraded packages, including amarok 1.4.2 (maybe, otherwise .1), 
[04:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: imbrandon_ ping?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: hmmm?
[04:06] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: pong
[04:07] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: also, we're getting more developers coming in, whcih is good - useful for edgy and edgy+1 when they learn more
[04:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: intrepid is throwing errors all over the place - which arent reproducable on other systems.
[04:07] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: i dont see too many changes to the documentation already present (desktop guide wise)
[04:07] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: like ?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: dunno if you want to reformat, or not run off the vm, or what, but you probably need to look and deal with it
[04:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: more gcc errors
[04:07] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: yeah, but there
[04:08] <Hobbsee> s other doco stuff to do :)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: you can write the development doco - a lot of that is quite old - and references bugzilla.
[04:08] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: ok i can do that tonight , backup anyting you need off it 
[04:08] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: currently, dont have too much time though. trying to get settled in new job, new place etc
[04:08] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: i'll do a fresh install from the knot1cd
[04:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: i dont have anything there, except the stuff in /usr/local/bin - if you could back that up, thatd' be cool
[04:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: oh cool
[04:09] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: yeah, fair enough.    i've got all this time due to uni holidays, which is good
[04:09] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: ok yea just the usr/local/bin stuff i'll backup the rest i'll format
[04:09] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: planning to get a desktop also, pretty difficult to mess around on the laptop. no vm's either
[04:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: make sure you grab the /var/cache/pbuilder/* stuff - you can delet ethe stuff in builds, and result, but leave the rest.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: oh, wait, i can do that from here, if you want - and get rid of the stuff you dont wnat to backup
[04:11] <Hobbsee> *logs in*
[04:11] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: nah no biggie i can grab it, it will be faster for me to backup
[04:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: yeah, your fun of backing it up
[04:11] <Hobbsee> oh cool, you cna use clean for that.
[04:12] <imbrandon_> yea i'll just run clean
[04:12] <imbrandon_> huh ?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ie, i'm already running that command on the edgy pbuilder
[04:13] <imbrandon_> ahh ok
[04:14] <imbrandon_> yea lemme finish eating dinner and i'll backup after you've cleaned it 
[04:14] <Hobbsee> k
[04:14] <imbrandon_> but tbh if i backup that base.gz its gonna be the same gcc
[04:14] <imbrandon_> might nbe betrter to start over
[04:22] <imbrandon_> brb afk , i'll do it when i get back
[04:22] <imbrandon_> from dinner
[04:23] <Hobbsee> nah, the base.gz is okay - that gets upgraded each time anyway, and works with dist-upgrades
[04:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: uh...somethings' screwed with that machine.  but yeah, anyway, it should be done
[04:25] <Hobbsee> i'm logged in as root, and it's still telling me permission denied, etc.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> and operation not permitte
[04:25] <Hobbsee> weird.
[04:35] <abattoir_> Hobbsee: you are familiar w/ pbuilder right?
[04:37] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: for what ? and rember if your getting gcc errors its using the gcc from that base.gz
[04:38] <imbrandon_> so if something is screwy its more than likely with the pbuilder base.gz not the OS but to be sure we can start all over, wont take long to make a new base.gz
[04:39] <abattoir_> Hobbsee: do you know why it might not create base.tgz when i run 'sudo pbuilder create' ?
[04:39] <abattoir_> or imbrandon_ ???
[04:40] <imbrandon_> abattoir_:  got an error ?
[04:40] <abattoir_> imbrandon_: nope it runs fine, downloads everything... then when i try to build, i get base.tgz not found
[04:41] <abattoir_> imbrandon_: i also tried --basetgz
[04:41] <abattoir_> doesnt work
[04:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: good point
[05:23] <crimsun> Hobbsee: what's the issue?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: with which?  the gcc stuff?
[05:23] <crimsun> whatever probs
[05:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah, we're just having trouble with imbrandon's machine.
[06:18] <DaSkreech> HI imbrandon
[06:18] <imbrandon_> heya DaSkreech 
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Hi
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hello
[06:58] <DaSkreech> I think I'm heading off for the night
[06:58] <imbrandon_> late DaSkreech 
[06:58] <imbrandon_> late*
[06:58] <imbrandon_> later*
[06:58] <imbrandon_> grr
[06:59] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreech 
[06:59] <DaSkreech> late* does give later ;-)
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Night imbrandon_ Hobbsee Riddell nixternal mornfall and umm abattoir for posterity
[07:10] <abattoir> huh? wth?
[07:10] <abattoir> :P
[08:12] <Hobbsee> Binaries from kopete 4:3.5.4+kopete0.12.1-0ubuntu2 cannot be installed:
[08:12] <Hobbsee> does that overwrite files, or something?
[08:31] <toma> hi
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hi toma 
[08:32] <toma> hey Hobbsee
[08:32] <toma> how's life?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> toma: okay, feels weird not to be doing dev stuff though
[08:33] <toma> why not?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> toma: not enough bandwidth to last till the end of the month if i do
[08:34] <toma> Hobbsee: dont you have a login on a remote machine?
[08:35] <Hobbsee> toma: i do, and the gcc is currently screwed on it
[08:47] <toma> Hobbsee: hmm
[08:47] <toma> Hobbsee: time to upgrade to flat-fee ?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> toma: and i havent had the motivation to fight with pbuilder again to fix the gcc.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> toma: doesnt exist here - this is the "unlimited" plan
[08:47] <Hobbsee> toma: we get cut back to 64k after we go over 10mb
[08:47] <toma> wow, that system does not exist here
[08:47] <Hobbsee> toma: and seeing as we end up using around 300mb a day, on average, and have about 1gb left....well...you can do the maths :P
[08:47] <toma> all adsl are based on 'fair-use'
[08:47] <Hobbsee> lucky
[08:47] <Hobbsee> adsl here is terrible.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> s/adsl/cable/
[08:47] <toma> cable?
[08:47] <toma> as in tv-cable?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> no, it's another form of adsl, i think
[08:47] <Hobbsee> although it doesnt go thru the phonelines - it's a separate cable into the house
[08:47] <toma> ah, ok. 
[08:47] <toma> 300mb a day is a bit high anyway ;-)
[08:47] <Hobbsee> toma: it's called edgy updates, and building things.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> there are 2 people using it.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> i'm using caches and whatever, so i dont always need all the packages again - but it's pretty nasty.
[08:47] <toma> ;-(
[08:47] <toma> nothing anyone can help you with
[08:47] <Hobbsee> not really...
[08:47] <Hobbsee> toma: but i'm not here for the next couple of days anyway
[08:47] <Hobbsee> toma: hmmm?  what's up?
[08:47] <toma> you not being here for a couple of days????
[08:47] <toma> how is kubuntu going to survive?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> toma: yeah, no internet connection (yet) at my friends place...
[08:47] <Hobbsee> hehe - no idea
[08:47] <Hobbsee> like it did before i got involved, probably
[08:48] <toma> unlikely
[08:49] <Hobbsee> toma: you could always take my place :P
[08:50] <toma> oh no
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:50] <Hobbsee> toma: no?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> toma: whyever not?
[08:50] <toma> i'm not so good in packaging
[08:50] <Hobbsee> besides, Riddell is around to code things.
[08:50] <toma> and i don't like the tools you have to work with
[08:51] <toma> besides i feel more satisfied creating an app then a package
[08:51] <Hobbsee> toma: ah...true...
[08:52] <toma> that?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> sorry - to avoid creating new apps
[08:53] <toma> ah
[08:53] <toma> it's fun, it's creative
[08:54] <Hobbsee> toma: true
[08:54] <Hobbsee> toma: i've yet to learn how what i type in and make as a program to run by a console translates to actually using the hardware on a system, and making a GUI, etc.
[08:55] <Hobbsee> toma: and until i learn that, i dont feel that i have enough of a grip on how to write a program to give myself that title.
[08:55] <Hobbsee> if that makes sense.
[08:55] <toma> yes
[08:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: can you check your mail from where yor at ?
[08:56] <imbrandon> your*
[08:56] <toma> you should grab a mentor/friend, clear your agenda, pick a manual and start.
[08:56] <imbrandon> moins toma
[08:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: check my mail?  what, locally?
[08:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:56] <toma> hi imbrandon
[08:56] <Hobbsee> toma: heh - i'm in the wrong country for that.
[08:56] <toma> why is that?
[08:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i was gonna forward something i wanted you to read real fast
[08:57] <Hobbsee> but i would like to get to one of the conferences one day.
[08:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sure, to hobbsee@kubuntu.org
[08:57] <crimsun> with the Internet, country isn't nearly as important :-)
[08:57] <imbrandon> k
[08:57] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, yeah, of course, but it does help...
[08:57] <imbrandon> yea irc is great ;)
[08:57] <Hobbsee> true
[08:58] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i was going ot check my uni exam dates.
[08:59] <imbrandon> Hobbsee kk sent
[08:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool :)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> Examinations  	15 November  	1 December
[09:01] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[09:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[09:03] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[09:05] <crimsun> there are actually mp3s of me reading stuff somewhere on the Web </offtopic>
[09:06] <imbrandon> crimsun: like audio book type stuff ?
[09:06] <crimsun> kinda
[09:06] <imbrandon> cool
[09:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool
[09:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that email's pretty public - adn i read anything from anyone off there pretty quickly - bar mailing lists/ bug reports, of course.
[09:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: so feel free to send stuff to it, it's fine by me :)
[09:10] <Hobbsee> esp as it doesnt have a bandwidth limit.
[09:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:10] <imbrandon> you like ?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> oh drat, i forgot lunch again
[09:10] <imbrandon> lol
[09:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i do.  you guys will need to be a bit more professional though, imo
[09:11] <imbrandon> sorta in some respects but some as its not intended to be professional totaly from the orig BOF
[09:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: and that includes not having your writers showing the bad side of people, as such.
[09:11] <Hobbsee> i realise that
[09:11] <imbrandon> but yea
[09:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i think i did too much english at school.  but i'm happy to proofread your stuff, sanity check it, etc.
[09:12] <Hobbsee> we did a *lot* of magazine article stuff - like on audience, language, etc.
[09:12] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:12] <Hobbsee> hated it then - but it's kinda useful now
[09:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: mainly because, if you dont, people will be hesitant to commit anything, because they know it could well be used against them if it's not well liked.
[09:18] <imbrandon> yup
[09:18] <imbrandon> why ?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: because of what nixternal said last time, and the way he put it
[09:19] <imbrandon> ahh yea nixternal needs a good thump in community news , i have noticed
[09:20] <crimsun> unless it's on a blog
[09:21] <Hobbsee> if what nixternal said had gone to publication, everyone would have thought "warning, hobbsee is a bitch, and likely to pull stupid shit at random"
[09:21] <Hobbsee> crimsun: a blog is not a professional news site.  fortunately.
[09:21] <crimsun> well that's the argument I've made for a long time.
[09:21] <Hobbsee> crimsun: and blogs arent coming into our discussion at all :P  (i hope)
[09:22] <crimsun> on the other hand, people always seem to forget that, say, slashdot is a blog.
[09:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:22] <RichJ> hmmm
[09:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, yeah, that's true.
[09:22] <RichJ> i think the whole thing on the UWN is being blown out of proportion, because it was never stated ina  way that it would reflect negatively on anyone, and you can go back and look at the changes
[09:23] <RichJ> if someone adds a lot to an agenda, to me that means they are working and have a lot on their mind for the team..i don't know what UWN you all were reading, but it definately wasn't the one I was working on
[09:23] <crimsun> wait, what did I miss?
[09:24] <RichJ> it didn't say that at all
[09:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'm bitching about something that almost went to print...and...uh...
[09:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the other thing's not public yet, is it?
[09:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: nope
[09:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: shit.  sorry.
[09:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you me mark and jane ;)
[09:24] <imbrandon> np ;)
[09:25] <crimsun> mmkay. I'm going to stay out of the drama if at all possible.
[09:25] <imbrandon> anyhow how is -dev tongiht ;)
[09:25] <Hobbsee> bye crimsun 
[09:25] <imbrandon> seeya crimsun
[09:26] <toma> if there are secret things going, can you move to a secret channel
[09:26] <toma> i hate this
[09:30] <imbrandon> toma: its no secret , just hasent been announced yet, buntudot.org is being absorbed into theFridge to bring some much needed life to it ;)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> sigh.  i feel like the villiage idiot now.  where's the dunce cap?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> forgetting about confidentiailty.  eek.
[09:33] <Hobbsee> who removed my brain, and can i have it back please?
[09:33] <ajmitch> heh
[09:33] <ajmitch> oops
[09:33] <imbrandon> heh
[09:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you cant see, right above?
[09:34] <ajmitch> I wasn't reading it, no
[09:34] <imbrandon> ajmitch: we got a bit -offtopic and started talking about somethings that arent official yet , twas no biggie realy
[09:35] <ajmitch> right
[09:35] <ajmitch> nothing unusual
[09:36] <imbrandon> ;P
[09:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you're saying that i usually screw up then?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> you're on very dangerous territory.
[09:36] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: stop misinterpreting what I said
[09:36] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:39] <Hobbsee> anyway, i'll get more sane when uni goes back, and i can get out of this house.
[09:39] <Hobbsee> so sorry all for you having to put up with me until that point :P
[09:44] <RichJ> when do you go back?
[09:44] <RichJ> i think i have like 3 weeks or so
[09:44] <Hobbsee> RichJ: monday.  thank goodness.
[09:44] <RichJ> dang, didn't you just get out?
[09:45] <Hobbsee> i'm sick of being lectured for things like pressing the buttons of the dryer too hard, which is apparently a major issue.
[09:45] <RichJ> gahahaha
[09:45] <Hobbsee> RichJ: got out at the end of june
[09:45] <RichJ> holy cow, it has been a month already
[09:46] <Hobbsee> i'm serious - that's one of the lectures i got this morning - and that's why i'm so...horrible...at the moment
[09:46] <RichJ> time flies when your having fun
[09:47] <imbrandon> heh wow Hobbsee
[09:47] <Hobbsee> RichJ: yeah, true.  and i had ajmitch over here for part of that.
[09:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah.  welcome to my house :P
[09:47] <RichJ> lol
[09:48] <Hobbsee> RichJ: see PM, if you havent already.
[09:48] <RichJ> umm
[09:48] <RichJ> lol...thats what the red 1 is in irssi
[09:48] <Hobbsee> lol
[09:48] <Hobbsee> quite likely ;p
[09:48] <imbrandon> hahah
[10:27] <Hobbsee> kubuntu wont die in my absense, i'm sure :P
[10:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:19] <danimo> moin
[11:23] <imbrandon> moins
[11:24] <freeflying> hi all
[11:24] <RichJ> g'nite all
[11:25] <RichJ> 4:30am, and i gotta get up in 3 hours
[11:56] <Riddell> seaLne: if what means?
[11:56] <seaLne> ~0830
[11:57] <Riddell> ah hah
[12:06] <seaLne> is kpdf broken for anyone else on edgy?
[12:07] <Riddell> works for me
[12:09] <seaLne> weird
[12:19] <abattoir> Riddell: can you help me ?
[12:19] <abattoir> Riddell: i'm trying to package oem-config... and am running into an error
[12:20] <Riddell> abattoir: what's up?
[12:20] <abattoir> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18920 line 121
[12:21] <abattoir> Riddell: am i doing something wrong? because there is no source dir. in the d-i directory... let alone localechooser
[12:21] <abattoir> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/d-i/
[12:27] <Riddell> seaLne: seems popper was changed and that broke kpdf
[12:28] <Riddell> abattoir: if it's anything like ubiquity you have to run   make -f debian/rules updates  to download the d-i packages
[12:28] <Riddell> abattoir: are you using pbuilder?
[12:28] <abattoir> Riddell: yes
[12:29] <abattoir> Riddell: so i cd to d-i and then run make-f debian/rules right?
[12:29] <abattoir> *make -f
[12:29] <Riddell> no, from the top directory
[12:29] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, ok
[12:29] <Riddell> look in debian/rules and see if there's an update rule
[12:30] <Riddell> yes, there is
[12:30] <ttf> Riddell: AFAICS the default dapper installation doesn't have normal calculator
[12:30] <abattoir> $(MAKE) -C d-i update
[12:30] <Riddell> ttf: it has speedcrunch
[12:32] <abattoir> Riddell: just to be sure, i run this before 'dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot' right? or between that and 'sudo pbuilder build' ?
[12:32] <abattoir> Riddell: sorry, i'm new to packaging :P
[12:33] <Riddell> abattoir: I'd use  debuild
[12:33] <seaLne> debuild -S -sa
[12:33] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, i'll read up on that then
[12:33] <Riddell> which just runs "dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot" but checks you have all the needed packages first
[12:33] <Riddell> not  -S -sa  just now, that's for making the source package
[12:34] <seaLne> then build in pbuilder? but yeah probably not :)
[12:34] <Riddell> abattoir: then once you have it building for you on your local filesystem with debuild then bulid it in pbuilder to make sure it works on a fresh system
[12:35] <ttf> Riddell: well - wouldn't consider speedcrunch a "normal" calculator though :)
[12:35] <abattoir> Riddell: hmm ok, thanks
[12:35] <ttf> Riddell: what about kcalc?
[12:36] <abattoir> Riddell: i'm very very very sorry, i havent made the archive public... after Kamion's last revision, i couldnt get it to work, and he told me that i have to install it in order to get it to work(i was working on it from my home folder before :P) so i'll finish this up, make it work and upload it, again sorry.
[12:36] <Riddell> ttf: kcalc smells compared to speedcrunch
[12:37] <Riddell> ttf: but the new version of speedcrunch in edgy adds a keypad so it's more friendly to those who like to practice their hand/eye coordination
[12:38] <seaLne> isn't speedcrunch just kcalc but more grey? :)
[12:38] <ttf> well it's not intuive at all - even I was confused when I saw it :)
[12:39] <Riddell> ttf: all suggestions welcome, but take a look at speedcrunch in edgy and let me know what you think
[12:39] <ttf> k - will do - will take a bit though
[12:39] <abattoir> Riddell: speedcrunch was made in qt4?
[12:40] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, yes, i saw in the about page...
[12:40] <Riddell> abattoir: the new edgy version is yes
[12:41] <mornfall> imo it doesn't make much sense to have qt4 apps in default kde3 desktop
[12:42] <mornfall> more libs, more memory, slower startup
[12:42] <Riddell> mornfall: we have to start the migration somewhere
[12:42] <mornfall> with speedcrunch? come on...
[12:42] <Riddell> and it doesn't make sense to start writing an app with qt3 
[12:43] <mornfall> it's not like there was no qt3 app up for the job, is it?
[12:43] <Riddell> there will be more qt 4 apps in edgy, I plan to do hwdb in qt 4
[12:44] <mornfall> well, i'm considering to drop the whole adept 2.x stuff and jump at porting to trunk kdelibs + qt-copy right away... but that would mean no new version for edgy, among other things
[12:44] <mornfall> it would mean i spend time working on trunk kde
[12:44] <mornfall> too
[12:44] <mornfall> anyhow
[12:45] <mornfall> i'll go to lunch now :)
[12:45] <mornfall> (yes, it doesn't make sense to write new apps with qt3 now)
[03:51] <bddebian> Hello
[03:52] <Riddell> we've had an edubuntu takeover
[03:52] <bddebian> ?
[03:52] <jjesse> ?
[03:52] <Riddell> kubuntu.org
[03:53] <jjesse> doh, how'd that happen?
[03:53] <jjesse> they have a really nice looking page btw
[03:54] <bddebian> :-)
[03:54] <seaLne> red bits in the menubar dn't quite go with the top :)
[03:57] <seaLne> fixed now?
[03:58] <Riddell> phew
[05:11] <seaLne> anyone tried to use revu recently?
[05:33] <seaLne> any amd64 users about to try kmobiletools? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2796
[05:34] <abattoir> seaLne: I can try if you want... edgy?
[05:34] <seaLne> yeah
[05:36] <abattoir> seaLne: ok, downloading... stupid question anyways :P
[05:49] <seaLne> did it build?
[05:50] <abattoir> seaLne: it complained about libglu1-mesa-dev and i'm installing that... which btw removes qt4-designer
[05:52] <seaLne> that isn't really a problem with kmob afaik just other currently broken things?
[05:54] <abattoir> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18946
[05:55] <Riddell> that's a general breakage, not specific to kmobile
[05:55] <abattoir> Riddell: am i doing something wrong?
[05:56] <Riddell> no, mesa is doing something wrong
[05:58] <abattoir> so there is nothing that i can do?
[05:59] <Riddell> you could compile and install mesa locally
[05:59] <seaLne> kmob built in my pbuilder and normally for me
[06:00] <Riddell> it'll have cached versions of mesa-common-dev
[06:00] <abattoir> Riddell: i do have an up-to-date edgy... but tbh, it is updated every time i try to...
[06:01] <seaLne> even with pbuilder update?
[06:01] <Riddell> problem is that i386 mesa isn't built and that's the one that makes the _all packages
[06:01] <seaLne> ah yeah, hadn't noticed how much was in /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache
[06:03] <abattoir> seaLne: i got builder only today, so it shows 0 packages to update
[06:04] <abattoir> *pbuilder
[06:04] <hungerW> Anyone in need of some kde 3.5.4 tester?
[06:11] <seaLne> Riddell: so just wait till its fixed to check kmob?
[06:13] <Riddell> seaLne: kmobiletools works for me on amd64
[06:13] <Riddell> compiles that is
[06:13] <seaLne> good, i re made the tgz
[06:13] <Riddell> hungerW: give me half an hour
[06:21] <Riddell> admin.canonical.com #9906]  Resolved: SSL certificate on wiki.kubuntu.org
[06:22] <Riddell> that'll put hobbsee into a good mood
[06:24] <Riddell> hungerW:  deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde354/ ./
[06:24] <Riddell> edgy packages
[06:24] <Riddell> ** testers needed for kde 3.5.4 on edgy
[06:35] <_Sime> Riddell: hi
[06:36] <Riddell> welcome back _Sime 
[06:36] <_Sime> Riddell: is anyone working on implementing the systemsettings restructuring from Ellen?
[06:36] <Riddell> _Sime: don't think so
[06:37] <_Sime> Riddell: BTW, I'll have a fair amount of time for the next week or so for hacking stuff.
[06:37] <Riddell> system settings awaits you :)
[06:37] <_Sime> Riddell: I might have a go  at fixing it up.
[06:37] <_Sime> Riddell: implementing the changes from Ellen at least.
[06:38] <Riddell> that would be most cool
[06:38] <_Sime> it can't be too hard.
[06:39] <_Sime> Riddell: the poll on osnews is quite interesting.
[06:40] <Riddell> "Poll: Most Important Non-Free Linux Application"?
[06:40] <_Sime> yep
[06:41] <_Sime> 3D drivers are the biggest problem for the free desktop right now. IMO.
[06:42] <Riddell> an impressive 29%
[06:42] <Riddell> who knows, maybe AMD will buy ATI and free the source
[06:43] <_Sime> I hope so.
[06:43] <_Sime> maybe the Open Graphics project will take off. (i.e. produce something that I can buy)
[07:19] <rraphink> hi there :)
[07:22] <omeow> My computer can't wake up from screensaver or locked mode it seems.
[07:23] <_Sime|food> omeow: does the screensaver require a password?
[07:24] <omeow> No.
[07:24] <_Sime|food> oh, ok
[07:27] <raphink> :)
[07:29] <omeow> _Sime|food, give me a poke when you've finished eating.
[07:41] <OculusAquilae> Does somebody know what was changed in KDE 3.5.3 Packages for dapper
[07:41] <OculusAquilae> first hi :)
[07:45] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: a new version of KDE?
[07:45] <hungerW> Riddell: just upgraded to 3.5.4: Only one tiny problem: kdelibs-data has /usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-mplayer2.desktop which is also in kaffeine.
[07:45] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: seems that packages from http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/ got updated
[07:46] <OculusAquilae> kdelibs
[07:46] <OculusAquilae> same change that is in edgy?
[07:46] <OculusAquilae> this printer sharing thing?
[07:49] <hungerW> Riddell: artsd just crashed
[07:52] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: konqueror crash
[07:53] <OculusAquilae> thanks
[07:54] <hungerW> Riddell: fonts look somewhat different in 3.5.4 I think. nothing to worry about though.
[07:56] <hungerW> Riddell: Yeap, fonts are different: No AA even though it is turned on for all fontsizes.
[07:57] <Riddell> that was the same in 3.5.3
[07:58] <hungerW> Riddell: Are you sure? It definitly looks different now.
[07:59] <hungerW> Riddell: arts is crashing every couple of minutes. I had that with 3.5.3 as well in the beginning. You fixed it back then with your magical packeteer's fingers.
[08:10] <_Sime> omeow: poke
[08:12] <mhb> hey everyone
[08:12] <Riddell> hi mhb 
[08:15] <mhb> I don't want to bother you too much ... but I thought this channel is right for my question :o) I found that Kubuntu offers "smbfs" filesystem for Windows/Samba shares with the Disks & Filesystems tools
[08:16] <mhb> but AFAIK smbfs is deprecated in favor of cifs
[08:17] <Riddell> mhb: _Sime would be your man for that
[08:17] <hungerW> Riddell: kde 3.5.4 looks good apart from the kaffeine file clash and arts crashing.
[08:18] <Riddell> hungerW: fixing kaffine issue now
[08:18] <Riddell> and well, who uses arts these days anyway :)
[08:18] <hungerW> Riddell: Right. The only thing I ever notice about arts is its crash window:-(
[08:19] <_Sime> mhb: I'll add that to my TODO list thanks,
[08:19] <hungerW> Hmmm. 3.5.4 is not even announced yet.
[08:19] <mhb> _Sime: wow! I don't have to do anything more? .o)
[08:19] <hungerW> I wonder what the release notes will say.
[08:20] <_Sime> mhb: you are free to implement it yourself if you want to do more. This is open source after all. ;)
[08:21] <omeow> _Sime, just wanted to ask you if guidance was going to support twinview setups instead of whatever it generates when you want dual displays.
[08:21] <mhb> _Sime: well, my TODO list is pretty full, too ... I have some "unfinished business" for Kwin, Oxygen and one other thing in Kubuntu :o)
[08:22] <omeow> The dual display configuration file it generated for me semi-worked in the sense that I did get two desktops, but they were too large and I had to scroll at the borders of the screen.
[08:22] <omeow> Anyway I need a shower.
[08:23] <_Sime> mhb: what's your real name BTW?
[08:23] <mhb> _Sime: Martin Bhm
[08:23] <_Sime> omeow: twinview is kinda on my TODO list, but it is not at the top... (I do have an nvidia card here though)
[08:24] <mhb> _Sime: and thanks for the swift response ... that's why I love Kubuntu so much :o)
[08:25] <_Sime> mhb: no probs
[08:26] <mhb> _Sime: If I find the time I'll send you the patch ... where to?
[08:27] <_Sime> mhb: simon@simonzone.com
[08:28] <_Sime> mhb: if the mount parameters for CIFS are  the same as smbfs, then the change will be trival.
[08:28] <_Sime> trivial
[08:29] <mhb> _Sime: I don't know, it's a different fs after all ... I'm going to check the documentation and let you know
[08:29] <_Sime> mhb: thanks, that would be a big help.
[08:32] <mhb> _Sime: Sorry, I was a bit wrong :o) It's not a different fs, it's a different driver ...
[08:32] <mhb> my bad
[08:35] <omeow> _Sime, is it a dual head one?
[08:35] <_Sime> omeow: yep
[08:36] <omeow> Cool which one? I have an nvidia 6600 GT.
[08:44] <yuriy> _Sime: a little stuck on an error trying to get "wineconfig appname.exe" to work
[08:45] <_Sime> yuriy: what are you trying to do?
[08:45] <yuriy> so you can do per-application settings
[08:45] <yuriy> by putting that in on the command line, among other things
[08:45] <yuriy> this is the code:
[08:45] <yuriy> KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv,aboutdata)
[08:45] <yuriy> 
[08:45] <yuriy>     options = [("+[appname] ", i18n("Application to change settings for"))] 
[08:45] <yuriy>     KCmdLineArgs.addCmdLineOptions( options )
[08:46] <yuriy> get this error:
[08:46] <yuriy>   File "./wineconfig.py", line 1738, in ?
[08:46] <yuriy>     KCmdLineArgs.addCmdLineOptions( options )
[08:46] <yuriy> SystemError: error return without exception set
[08:50] <omeow> Riddell, did you find someone to do whatever it was you wanted to ksystemlog?
[08:50] <_Sime> yuriy: oh, I see
[08:52] <Riddell> omeow: nope
[08:52] <omeow> What exactly needed to be done?
[08:52] <Riddell> omeow: just needs the new version packaged (and an upstream version freeze exception request)
[08:52] <omeow> I've never done that before. Is it hard? :)
[08:53] <omeow> I built kaffeine with edgy sources before, is that somewhat similar?
[08:53] <Riddell> omeow: get the new version, make that tar into a .orig.tar.gz, copy the debian directory over, dch -i, debuild, see what breaks
[08:54] <Riddell> omeow: you might want to use it as an excuse to read the ubuntu packaging guide
[08:54] <yuriy> _Sime: any clue what could be causing that error?
[08:54] <_Sime> yuriy: it doesn't seem to like the QString (  => i18n() )
[08:55] <omeow> Riddell, I'll try, but I can't promise anything. Will you be around to answer questions or are you busy?
[08:55] <_Sime> yuriy: let me look up the API docs....
[08:55] <Riddell> omeow: I'm around for a bit, others here can help too else ask in #ubuntu-motu
[08:55] <omeow> Oki.
[08:56] <omeow> When you said new version, did you mean the one from kde-apps.org? Or do you have a link to the version you're talking about?
[08:57] <_Sime> yuriy: according to the docs you can't passing a QString. You need to use "char *" strings, which for us means plain old Python strings.
[08:57] <yuriy> ah
[08:58] <_Sime> yuriy: everything else going well?
[08:58] <Riddell> omeow: yes, kde-apps.org
[08:58] <omeow> Ok, got it.
[08:58] <yuriy> _Sime: pretty much
[08:59] <mhb> _Sime: I looked at the docs
[08:59] <_Sime> yuriy: did you get my email which I sent ~15 min ago?
[08:59] <yuriy> _Sime: did you get the emails about the duplicate project + the resolution?
[08:59] <yuriy> ah ic
[08:59] <yuriy> i did now
[08:59] <_Sime> yuriy: yeah, I read that.
[08:59] <_Sime> ;-)
[08:59] <mhb> _Sime: seems it's more popular to use "user=" and "pass=" with cifs, but "username=" and "password=" is accepted as well
[08:59] <yuriy> (just installed edgy last night, gotta install kcheckgmail :))
[09:00] <yuriy> _Sime: i guess i didn't forward you the last couple
[09:00] <_Sime> mhb: so it is a case of s/smbfs/cifs/g?
[09:00] <_Sime> yuriy: that would be handy
[09:00] <allee> Riddell, omeow: edgy has 0.3.2 and kde-apps and homepage lists this as the most recent version.
[09:01] <omeow> Right, I was about to say that I have this version already installed.
[09:01] <Riddell> ah, sorted then
[09:02] <mhb> _Sime: I just need to check one more thing
[09:05] <mhb> _Sime: there is one problem 
[09:05] <yuriy> _Sime: also still need a good way to test audio
[09:06] <_Sime> yuriy: I swear that I read something on a wine mailing list about a test program for testing the audio drivers...
[09:06] <mhb> _Sime: "smbfs" driver accepts even the Windows name of the machine, while "cifs" needs a TCP name (I think that's how they call them)
[09:06] <yuriy> _Sime: that's in the source tree though, it's not installed as part of the package AFAICT
[09:07] <_Sime> yuriy: maybe it would be a good starting point if you have to hack something together.
[09:07] <yuriy> also, it's a very complete test that runs for about a half hour -- not something practical for a user
[09:07] <yuriy> _Sime: yep. they did say that it SHOULD have a tool to play/test sound, but doesn't yet
[09:08] <_Sime> yuriy: you could cut that tool down to size.
[09:08] <_Sime> mhb: that makes things tricky...
[09:08] <mhb> _Sime: a bit, yes
[09:08] <_Sime> mhb: unless that is an easy way to map smb names to TCP (host??) names.
[09:09] <mhb> _Sime: well, cifs accepts even the IP address
[09:09] <_Sime> mhb: doesn't samba have a command line tool for querying the name service thingy?
[09:09] <mhb> "//192.168.1.1/share" works
[09:09] <yuriy> _Sime: it's C -- then have it be compiled as part of setup?
[09:09] <yuriy> like the extra x libraries in there
[09:09] <mhb> _Sime: I have never used it ... I'll check
[09:10] <_Sime> yuriy: yeah maybe, or try to get it into the wine tar ball as a standard thing.
[09:16] <mhb> _Sime: you're right
[09:16] <Riddell> omeow: if you're looking for something to package try the monkey plugin from k3b
[09:16] <mhb> _Sime: it's called nmblookup
[09:16] <mhb> _Sime: it works fine
[09:17] <mhb> _Sime: and it is present in the ubuntu package
[09:17] <_Sime> mhb: cool, I thought so
[09:19] <mhb> _Sime: in what package is the the Disks&Filesystems tool?
[09:21] <_Sime> yuriy: I just read those emails. cool. 
[09:21] <_Sime> mhb: kde-guidance
[09:23] <neoxan> hi Seveas 
[09:23] <neoxan> hi kubuntu developers :)
[09:24] <apachelogger> halo neoxan
[09:24] <neoxan> hehe :)
[09:25] <neoxan> toll ein deutscher^^
[09:25] <neoxan> bzw. deutschsprechender
[09:25] <neoxan> :)))
[09:25] <_Sime> yuriy: it looks like we should have some kick ass wine integration soon.
[09:25] <apachelogger> neoxan: even though I speak german, I just meant the MS xbox game :P
[09:26] <yuriy> _Sime: only to get it in universe...
[09:26] <_Sime> yuriy: that should also help get more time for testing and usability
[09:26] <yuriy> _Sime: btw, how to go about getting the icon to not appear if wine is not installed?
[09:26] <neoxan> lol apachelogger 
[09:26] <neoxan> does anyone know what to do against seveas repression?
[09:27] <neoxan> he bans me from every ubuntu channel
[09:27] <neoxan> and calls me an asshole and a loser
[09:27] <neoxan> :/
[09:27] <_Sime> yuriy: dunno. But I'm sure we can work something out later. don't worry about it right now.
[09:27] <apachelogger> neoxan: so you should talk to him and ask why he does so
[09:27] <_Sime> yuriy: actually I think I know the answer.
[09:27] <apachelogger> maybe buy him a gift?
[09:28] <_Sime> yuriy: systemsettings builds the list of icons etc using *.desktop files.
[09:28] <neoxan> apachelogger, <Seveas> i kick you because you're a pathetic abusive loser
[09:28] <neoxan> :/
[09:28] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:28] <apachelogger> Seveas: lol :P
[09:29] <mhb> this is not the right channel for solving such problems, imo
[09:29] <neoxan> what channel else?
[09:29] <yuriy> _Sime: I know, but the file is either installed or not.... how to get it to use it iff a certain package is there?
[09:29] <neoxan> he will ban me everywhere
[09:29] <neoxan> :S
[09:29] <_Sime> yuriy: if we have two packages, kde-guidance and kde-guidance-wine, then we can put the *.desktop file in the kde-guidance-wine package
[09:29] <yuriy> _Sime: that's (mostly) why I asked at the beginning whether it'd end up a separate package
[09:30] <neoxan> can i mail mark or something?
[09:30] <neoxan> to kick seveas out of his team?
[09:30] <neoxan> lol
[09:30] <neoxan> :s
[09:31] <neoxan> he is violating the CoC
[09:31] <_Sime> yuriy: oh, we can distribute the source in one tarball, and let Riddel and friends package it as two packages.
[09:31] <apachelogger> neoxan: first try to sort out your problem 
[09:32] <neoxan> i cant apachelogger, how?!
[09:32] <neoxan> i already asked him..
[09:32] <neoxan> i only get awnsers like that
 well, this is what you get for being such a pathetic loser
[09:33] <apachelogger> neoxan: mail him
[09:33] <apachelogger> and send some cookies
[09:33] <neoxan> lol, do you think that would change anything?
[09:33] <neoxan> :)
[09:33] <apachelogger> cookies are always a good idea :D
[09:33] <neoxan> :D
[09:34] <yuriy> hmm what are all these "qstring_to_xtp result code -2" messages i'm getting running programs in edgy
[09:43] <raphink> they asked for them, didn't even have to force them 
[09:43] <mhb> good boy :o)
[09:43] <apachelogger> ++
[09:43] <apachelogger> :D
[09:44] <raphink> hehe :)
[09:44] <raphink> my colleagues are quite all linux sysadmins
[09:44] <raphink> and they all came to ask for kubuntu dapper CDs today for some reason
[09:44] <raphink> some asked for about 20 of them for friends and neighbours
[09:44] <raphink> :D
[09:48] <raphink> hehe
[09:48] <neoxan> one what?
[09:48] <neoxan> :o
[09:49] <neoxan> dapper?
[09:49] <neoxan> damn...
[09:51] <apachelogger> neoxan: one apachelogger for only 50 bucks per month :P
[09:51] <neoxan> *rrrrrr*
[09:51] <neoxan> all in one?
[09:51] <neoxan> ^^
[09:53] <apachelogger> sure
[09:53] <neoxan> #gaygeeks
[09:53] <neoxan> :)
[09:54] <apachelogger> though - garden apachelogger is not included
[09:54] <neoxan> youre welcome
[09:54] <apachelogger> needs special 24.99 bucks per month
[09:54] <crimsun> isn't this a bit ...off-topic for -devel?
[09:54] <mhb> +1
[09:54] <apachelogger> though the garden apachelogger even cares about the perfect lenght and color of your lawn
[09:54] <apachelogger> crimsun: do we have a better topic currently?
[09:55] <crimsun> apachelogger: sure, pick a kubuntu bug, discuss solution.
[09:56] <apachelogger> crimsun: actually I should go to bed already ;-)
[09:56] <apachelogger> though I'm kind of too lazy for that
[09:56] <neoxan> --devel = geeky
[09:56] <neoxan> :D
[09:56] <neoxan> ;P
[10:03] <Tm_T> evening
[10:05] <Tm_T> what's situation with edgy? I mean is there big breakages behind or something fun coming next week?
[10:06] <crimsun> both
[10:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: edgy is meant to be a bit adventurous? something very unofficial kde4 preview perhaps if anything usable is ready by then?
[10:06] <Tm_T> crimsun: tell me more :)
[10:08] <crimsun> allee: where does the (incorrect) old URL (homepage) appear in speedcrunch?
[10:09] <allee> have not checked.  Saw it only in apt-cache show speedcrunch (better than google to find homepages ;)
[10:09] <allee> crimsun: maybe grep -r  berlios .  # if you have the sources
[10:09] <crimsun> ok, so it's probably the description. I'll fix it.
[10:10] <allee> crimsun: thx.
[10:11] <allee> crimsun: for fun: enter a expression longer than the window width and press return?  -> speedcrunch unusable ;)  (reporeted upstream)
[10:11] <allee> eh, reported
[10:21] <omeow> Hi toma.
[10:21] <toma> hi omeow
[10:21] <omeow> Are you using edgy?
[10:23] <_Sime> toma: Hi
[10:24] <toma> hi _Sime, how is life?
[10:24] <toma> omeow: no
[10:25] <_Sime> ~30C, inside the house.
[10:27] <toma> 31,5 under my flat roof, 45% humidity is killing, /me does a rain dance
[10:30] <omeow> Can anyone else who uses edgy please install zsnes and see what happens on startup? It'll only take a minute or 2.
[10:31] <omeow> Since the move to edgy, it has been segfaulting on startup for me. And I'm trying to find out if anyone else is having this problem.
[10:31] <crimsun> omeow: please use strace -fF and/or gdb
[10:31] <_Sime> toma: it will probably be rain by the time the kde-nl bbq comes around.
[10:31] <crimsun> omeow: you may even need valgrind
[10:31] <omeow> I have those tools.
[10:32] <toma> _Sime: since when have you become that pessimistic?
[10:32] <crimsun> omeow: great, have you filed a bug with the details and output?
[10:32] <omeow> crimsun, I don't know where.
[10:33] <Mez> omeow - best to ask seth about that - he's working on zsnes
[10:33] <crimsun> omeow: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[10:33] <Mez> seth@sethkinast.com
[10:33] <crimsun> hi Mez 
[10:33] <Mez> hey crimsun
[10:34] <omeow> Mez, does he ever join this channel?
[10:34] <omeow> crimsun, I tried searching launchpad, but I found nothing on zsnes.
[10:34] <crimsun> omeow: but have you filed a bug? :)
[10:34] <omeow> Not yet.
[10:35] <Mez> omeow, yes - he's in here when he's online i believe
[10:35] <omeow> funny
[10:35] <Mez> lemme see if I can find out whats going on with him
[10:35] <Mez> (i wortk with him on another project)
[10:35] <omeow> searching via launchpad's search doesn't find zsnes, searching via google does find zsnes on launchpad.
[10:35] <omeow> Mez, nah, don't worry about it. I'll give him a poke when I see him join or something.
[10:36] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/zsnes-strace.log
 ne1 seen seth on irc lately ?
 He's on 'vacation'
 He'll be back Fridayish.
[10:36] <omeow> Oki. Thanks. :)
[10:37] <omeow> crimsun, interesting. The program runs when I use valgrind.
[10:38] <crimsun> sounds very much like a leak, then
[10:38] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/zsnes-valgrind.log
[10:39] <crimsun> omeow: please file a bug on zsnes, and attach the output from valgrind --leak-check=full
[10:40] <omeow> You mean about zsnes on launchpad? :)
[10:40] <crimsun> yes, that's what I mean by "please file a bug on zsnes"
[10:40] <omeow> Sure. I'll try.
[10:44] <Tm_T> apachelogger: mooh
[10:44] <apachelogger> d'oh
[10:44] <apachelogger> mum!
[10:45] <Tm_T> heh
[10:45] <Tm_T> actually I was saying good night :p
[10:45] <Tm_T> so ->
[10:51] <omeow> crimsun, filed. Thanks for telling me about strace. I never used that before.
[10:53] <omeow> ( bug 54199 )
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54199 in zsnes "zsnes segfault on startup" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54199
[10:53] <crimsun> omeow: np, thank /you/
[11:06] <omeow> Gens for Linux (sega emulator) requires GTK+2.4.0, but GTK+2.0.0 seems to be installed. How do I get 2.4.0 installed?
[11:06] <omeow> (and why isn't the latest GTK+ version included in dapper/edgy repositories?)
[11:06] <crimsun> !info libgtk2.0-0
[11:06] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-0: The GTK+ graphical user interface library. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.8.18-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 2036 kB, installed size 4516 kB
[11:06] <crimsun> say what, omeow?
[11:07] <omeow> huhm.
[11:07] <omeow> checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.4.0... no
[11:07] <crimsun> that's checking for the headers and static libs.
[11:07] <crimsun> you need libgtk2.0-dev.
[11:07] <omeow> Oh.
[11:08] <omeow> Thanks. :)
[11:12] <crimsun> np
[11:13] <omeow> Fails to compile with the error; 
[11:13] <omeow> emulator/g_main.c:755: error: static declaration of Build_Language_String follows non-static declaration
[11:13] <omeow> emulator/g_main.c:570: error: previous implicit declaration of Build_Language_String was here
[11:15] <crimsun> ftbfs w/ gcc-4.1
[11:15] <crimsun> fix the source.
[11:17] <apachelogger> kood nikht all :-)
[11:18] <mhb> _Sime: is it a clean solution to use a subprocess to handle the nmblookup?
[11:20] <mhb> _Sime: forget the question, I'll do it my way :o)
[11:39] <Mez> wtf is en-us-fargo
[11:46] <Riddell> Mez: a joke
[11:47] <Riddell> Tm_T: we'd need to fix qt4-x11-kdecopy before looking at kde4, I've not worked out why it fails to compile
[11:49] <mhb> _Sime: the bad thing is that the code depends on samba now
[11:49] <mhb> _Sime: I have it almost ready, I'll test it tomorrow and send it to you
[11:49] <Mez> Riddell: ah ... see - I was wondering wtf it was... and why the en-gb translators were in it
[11:50] <_Sime> mhb: I don't think that is such a huge problem.
[11:52] <mhb> _Sime: no, but someone should probably add the dependency to the package, right?
[11:53] <Riddell> 20:42 < seele> "Test" Hardware doesn't seem to work, and I'm wondering if its one of those thigns that is perpetually broken or if its just me
[11:53] <_Sime> true
[11:53] <Riddell> _Sime: that's about displayconfig ^^
[11:54] <Mez> Riddell: what the hell? katapult is in the ubuntu BOOK ?
[11:55] <Riddell> rocking
[11:56] <mhb> katapult deserves a better place in the kmenu, methinks :o)
[11:56] <Mez> Riddell: bug 53921
[11:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53921 in katapult "katapult is not showing Konqueror" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53921
[11:58] <Mez> Riddell: and apparently, katapult is the upstream for nmap
[11:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: roger, it's not issue for month or two, just silly idea we could do before release
[11:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: btw, kdecopy?
[12:00] <Riddell> Tm_T: qt4-x11-kdecopy is the package I made of qt-copy from KDE trunk (== qt 4.2 + patches)
[12:00] <mhb> Ad 53921: Konqueror is showing fine here in Edgy
[12:00] <Tm_T> aah, I see
[12:00] <Riddell> Tm_T: if you want to work out why it hasn't compiled be my guest :)
[12:00] <Riddell> Mez: upstream for nmap?
[12:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: well, I'll be delighted in 3 weeks, I doubt I can promise anything before that
[12:01] <Riddell> ok :)
[12:01] <Tm_T> should know my labour status before any bigger tasks
[12:02] <Tm_T> I'm slowly getting myself back to normal daily life :)
[12:03] <Tm_T> anyway, I think I should try to sleep, good night ->
[12:04] <mhb> goodnight