[12:07] he'd already tried that [12:07] seems to be an output plugin problem [12:07] set to ximagesink it's fine, xvimagesink isn't === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] no idea then :( === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] hi hub, did you get sorted? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9E33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] Riddell: my upgrade? [12:13] Riddell: yeah it sort of work === geser [n=michael@dialin104171.justdsl.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:14] hub: what was up with X? [12:14] mkfontdir [12:14] as hinted by slomo_ [12:15] I still have a couple of issues like Perl disliking the locale and an artsmessage poping up [12:15] (KDE) [12:16] Hub. :o) [12:16] hub: you use kde? === TomB [n=ownt@ACD81603.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] slomo_: it depends of the machine [12:18] slomo_: that machine has Kubuntu Dapper upgraded to edgy [12:18] the laptop is still Gnome + KDE apps [12:19] other work machine run another distro for dogfooding [12:19] hub: oh, i expected you beeing a pure gnome guy :) [12:19] slomo_: i'm not pure === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] Linus said gnome sucks. :o [12:20] even more given my paycheck [12:20] neom: who cares [12:20] linus, apparently. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] frankly, who'd go to a kernel engineer to write a desktop environment? words like "usability" just aren't in their dictionary [12:25] "Gnome + KDE apps" sounds like the edubuntu approach :) [12:27] Riddell: or some other people. I just migrated to KMail [12:27] even if it annoys me sometime [12:27] it just provide better feature than Evo and T-bird [12:28] what feature won you over? [12:29] Riddell: well, it's hard to overcome kalzium ;-) [12:29] apply filter manual that t-bird do not do [12:29] and keyboard navigation that evo do not to [12:29] and the bloat as is missing ;-) [12:29] right [12:30] some bugs or missing things though [12:30] like the notification icon that bugs with gnome-panel [12:30] I just use mutt, but people say that KMail has good features. Until they find it deleting their inbox [12:30] Riddell: I use IMAP over several accounts [12:31] Riddell: that's why I stopped using mutt [12:31] still love it [12:33] I tried KDE for a while, before switching back to Gnome. KMail played a large part in making me switch back, with the weird contortions you have to go through just to get KMail to read a spool file filtered by procmail. [12:33] Riddell: the worse is that $COMPANY will want us to move to use Evolution on top of our KDE desktop because of the groupware solution [12:34] hub, you telling me Xandros uses exchange? [12:35] hub: really? but KMail has pretty decent groupware support, what's the server that's needed? [12:35] Burgwork: no. Scalix [12:35] Burgwork: we ship it [12:35] ah [12:35] Riddell: Scalix [12:36] Burgwork: between you and me, I wouldn't have been surprised to see exchange coming at one point [12:36] ugh, you poor man [12:36] Burgwork: but at least it is the product we ship with out server solution [12:36] I'll see. If I lose server side filtering, I'm not gonna be happy [12:38] anyone know if I should have a file '/etc/ld.so.conf.d/$machine-$os' ? [12:39] Burgwork: at my previous company they wanted to sell and ActiveX based webmail solution [12:39] bluefoxicy: yes, should be there [12:39] Burgwork: with all the engineering running Linux [12:39] slomo_: should it have dollar signs in the file name? [12:39] that's a really strange name for a file o.o [12:39] Burgwork: like there were using Flash at one point for engineering tools.... === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] hey [12:41] libc6: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/$machine-$os === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] bluefoxicy: ^-- look for bugs filed there, I guess === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] nope, seeing no bugs filed. slomo_, Kamion: So I'm guessing $machine and $os WERE supposed to expand to something? (i386-pc and gnu-linux probably) Or should I not file a bug? === bluefoxicy curiously wonders what Ubuntu PPC is ... ppc-mac-gnu-linux? [12:45] powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu ? [12:46] Keybuk: powerpc-overheating-linux-gnu if you have a Macbook Pro [12:46] bluefoxicy: file the bug, I'm sure it's something obvious in the glibc build system [12:46] kay. [12:46] and yes it's powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] (or so saith config.guess) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] bug filed. [12:49] ta [01:09] gah i suck at documentation === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-251-105-164.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] hey all... im trying to install software in a chroot env via python. i keep getting dpkg exiting with errors, but installs find when i manually chroot... any ideas? [01:20] ehazlett: pbuilder maybe what you're after? [01:20] im not sure... i am trying to use chroot apt-get install packageA [01:21] i dont want to build a .deb, i want to install via apt === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] ehazlett: Some python component that's not in the chroot, maybe? [01:27] could be... although everything works fine if i just chroot from the shell. when i try it from python, i get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly for every package... === pounk [n=pounkf@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] ehazlett: environment breakage? Lack of a controlling TTY? === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] infinity: maybe. any ideas for fix? would that error happen if there was no console to output to? [01:37] ehazlett: I'd need more to go by than just that error. [01:38] ok. here's what im doing. i have a selection of packages in a pygtk gui. once selected, i chroot into the environment (which is the ubuntu live cd) and do apt-get install [01:39] i mount /proc and copy dns info. the debs are there in the cache, but i can't get them to go... [01:42] i know ubuntu doesn't need another customization kit, but i started this project to learn pygtk, and decided to finish it... ive got it done except for this stage... any help would be much appreciated... :) === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@82.247.157.187] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-9-93.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-251-105-164.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] Hello [03:45] hi bddebian [03:48] Hi Hobbsee [03:49] has anyone done the mesa updates, and lived to tell the tale? [03:50] what do you mean by 'done'? [03:51] Hobbsee, me :) [03:51] crimsun: sorry, done as in upgraded [03:51] twice today :D [03:51] rodarvus: did you break anything? [03:51] but I packaged mesa, so I might be biased :P [03:52] Hobbsee, X (and Mesa) has no bugs [03:52] it always the kernel, Gnome, KDE or some other package [03:52] its [03:52] rodarvus: rofl! right. [03:52] rodarvus: sure sure. [03:52] rodarvus: then surely you should fix all those bugs then too :P [03:53] rodarvus: yay blame us ;) === Hobbsee blames zul. [03:53] I would fix X bugs if there were any [03:53] sweet === Hobbsee has to stay away from the internet connection, before we hit the bandwidth limit for the month. i'm still wondering whether it fixes things though. [03:54] Hobbsee, btw, if you wait for another hour or so, another (better) mesa update is already underway === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.94.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] so, don't waste your bandwidth with this update [03:54] (now, I mean) [03:54] rodarvus: but whyever would you need one? you just said it contained no bugs, so therefore should need no fixing? [03:54] :P [03:54] its not bugfixing [03:55] its a new upstream release (Mesa 6.5) [03:55] AlinuxOS: I've just uploaded a new ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts to Debian [03:55] needed for X.Org 7.1 [03:55] ooh...fun :) [03:55] AlinuxOS: I'll get it synced over to Ubuntu once it's in the archive [03:55] when's xorg 7.1 coming in? [03:55] rodarvus: Have you seen the bug where emacs, xfontsel, among other programs, claim there are no fonts present? [03:55] rodarvus: Score [03:56] Hobsee: a very large part of it is already installed on your machine, if you have edgy [03:56] rodarvus: Are you going to build with aiglx by default? [03:56] rodarvus: nick completion is good, and okay. [03:56] (Even if you do, I believe it's disabled unless the user enables it in xorg.conf) [03:56] mjg59, not right now (it wasn't specced), but I plan to, if time allows [03:56] not sure if its going to happen for Edgy, though [03:56] (I'd really like to, if possible) [03:57] rodarvus: just dont eat or sleep, you'll be fine :P [03:57] rodarvus: Ok. I'll look into what's needed [03:57] mjg59, thanks - really appreciated! [03:57] rodarvus: If all else fails, and the build-depends are there, I'll just update the source package in universe [03:57] build-deps are supposed to be there [03:58] wonderful [03:58] more shiny stuff [03:58] rodarvus: Yeah, mesa was the main sticking point === Hobbsee coats ajmitch in shiny confetti. yep, shiny stuff! [03:58] mjg59: do you plan to update the xgl package, or should we do it (before the horde of users comes down on us)? [03:59] ajmitch: Is Xgl in the main xorg tree yet? [03:59] Are we still not including GLw libs? [03:59] probably not [03:59] I haven't checked lately [03:59] bddebian, yes, we are not including GLw [03:59] If not, just greab the source package, do cvs update and make it use the new mesa [03:59] we have a policy of not supporting motif/lesstif on main [03:59] rodarvus: Great, since I removed them from grass. Thanks :-) [04:01] Then someone needs to sort compiz [04:02] that could be thorny [04:02] I still have about 50 drivers I want sorted out before even thinking of any other package :/ [04:03] rodarvus: where are you? isnt it 3 am or something there? [04:03] go with upstream, or go with the fork on compiz.net? [04:03] 11:03 P.M. [04:03] Hobbsee, no, its 11 PM here [04:03] (UTC-3) [04:03] rodarvus: ah ok, US somewhere. i thoguht you were in europe [04:03] actually, Brazil somewhere :) [04:04] rodarvus: ahhh...nice! :) [04:04] ajmitch: I don't care, as long as we don't ship with the Novell logos... [04:04] ("oops") [04:04] heh [04:04] hehe [04:04] please tell me we didnt do that. [04:05] nice, cvs update, half the makefiles conflict [04:05] do I care enough to fix it? [04:06] ajmitch: yes, you do. [04:06] Hobbsee: Nope [04:06] ajmitch: For xgl? [04:06] yes [04:06] Makefiles, or Makefile.am? [04:06] (or Makefile.in, etc) [04:06] Makefile.am [04:06] Oh, that's a bit of an arse [04:07] all in the GL dir [04:07] Oh, hrm. I may have done horrible sed shit all over them at some stage [04:07] Ah, right [04:07] so it may not matter [04:07] Just nuke them and pull the upstream ones [04:07] The changes shouldn't be needed with new mesa [04:07] going back to cvs after using bzr is an experience [04:08] Yeah, it's like having a leg cut off [04:08] You want to roll back one changeset, but... [04:09] right, seems to be in order now [04:11] Cool [04:12] I really shouldn't do this on the laptop, it's got a much slower disk for building [04:12] Haha [04:12] hehe [04:12] Wow [04:12] That's a point [04:12] I don't have a single machine with a 3.5" drive [04:12] Except the TV === mjg59 really needs to sort out a zeroconf distcc laptop farm [04:13] ajmitch, mjg59: if you plan on build anything Mesa-6.5-dependant right now, please wait another hour or so (an even newer version of mesa was uploaded 1.5 hours ago) [04:15] Doing dist-upgrades at night is noticably faster === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5ED4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] rodarvus: I can wait, I've got far more important things to do :) [04:15] Wow. [04:16] I've finally found time to do Debian maintenance, and I suddenly feel so much better [04:16] got the monkey off your back? [04:17] mjg59: did Ubuntu on intel macs sort of die out? I was looking around on the web and most of the stuff is a few months old [04:18] LaserJock: Erm. [04:18] LaserJock: Dapper should pretty much just work [04:18] Only problem is that you have to do the partitioning under MacOS [04:19] mjg59: how do you boot it. I've seen bootcamp + rEFit + lilo [04:20] Skip the refit stage, just use lilo [04:20] Holding down alt lets you choose [04:20] ok, so use bootcamp to set stuff up, boot up an Ubuntu cd and use lilo? [04:20] Yeah [04:21] Do the Smashintels use OpenFirmware? [04:21] hmm [04:21] I'll try to sort out parted in time for edgy [04:21] At the moment it's irritatingly spec-compliant, which isn't what you want here [04:21] And a small patch for grub, then everything'll be fine [04:22] mjg59: debian already has the patch for macintel which got synced for edgy [04:22] In grub? Cool. [04:22] yep === vignatti_ [n=Tiago@200.103.134.101] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] Greetings [04:25] So just parted to "fix" [04:26] What is the name of the disk partition on ubuntu? === Chipzz [n=chipzz@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be] has joined #Ubuntu-Devel [04:26] mjg59: hah. love your reply w.r.t. suspend2 on ubuntu-devel mailing list :P [04:31] heh [04:32] Heya jsgotangco === fgeller [n=fgeller@ip68-226-88-125.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] Someone please kill me === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] Ah, LaserJock will do it [04:42] mjg59: do I want to create a Drivers CD in bootcamp or is that only for Windows? [04:43] bddebian: I'll do what? [04:44] LaserJock: Kill me [04:44] oh, sure, no problem ;-) [04:44] Fire up one of your lasers and saw me in half [04:44] LaserJock: Just for Windows [04:44] unfortunately none of mine will saw people in half [04:44] Or better yet, burn my eyes out so I don't see axiom anymore [04:44] night [04:44] Gnight zul [04:45] however, I think the mechanical engineering dept. has one [04:45] cya zul === sean_ [n=sean@71-214-89-10.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PPsycs [n=ldacunav@200.122.157.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PPsycs [n=ldacunav@200.122.157.116] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === uniscript [n=mhosken@203.150.134.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uniscript [n=mhosken@203.150.134.40] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LaserJock [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] mjg59: still around? === LaserJock [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === floam [n=nnnnaaro@sh.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pabs3 [n=pabs@dsl-202-72-168-241.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D8032.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pabs3 [n=pabs@dsl-202-72-168-241.wa.westnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Don't] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=jono@196.1.57.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] nice. digg effect on wiki.ubuntu.com === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] Good morning [07:22] hi pitti [07:22] Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. [07:23] hi Hobbsee === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:49] rodarvus: btw, urgency field does not matter at all for Ubungu === ogoffart [n=olivier@kde/developer/ogoffart] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:49] rodarvus: Ubuntu, too === ogoffart [n=olivier@kde/developer/ogoffart] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:54] why does edgy tell me I have 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 79 to remove and 3 not upgraded. [07:55] I'm okay with it removing nano, but not postfix etc. [07:55] Vhata: cos you're system's in serious trouble? [07:55] that's the first install I do after install ubuntu-standard [07:55] what's the one newly installed one? [07:55] Hobbsee: that was me about to install joe === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] I haven't actually done anything serious to put my system into trouble... except a dpkg-reconfigure -a ? [07:57] this is what I get for installing joe. [08:00] likely [08:00] if it hasnt been updated === bmon [n=monnahan@237.Red-83-39-150.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] Kamion: tasksel approved; will this be used in the first-stage installer, or only in the installed system? in the former case, I should add it to the striptranslations blacklist [08:09] wow, thats cute. [08:10] if your background image is missing and it shows back up, i guess nautilus gets an notification and updates the background === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB_ [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@142.165-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A64399.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] sweet. === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] I reduced gettimeofday() calls on an order of 500 times. [08:47] now all I need is something faster than gettimeofday() (I used posix timers to do interval timing, except it's about 25-50% slower than gettimeofday()) [08:47] the code handles skew to a configurable accuracy with automated drift checking on a sliding window; but it's pretty useless without some method that's faster than gettimeofday() to replace it with. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] bluefoxicy: what ya working on? [08:59] lifeless: http://lwn.net/Articles/192214/ "X is a big offender, apparently because the gettimeofday() call is still too slow and maintaining time stamps with interval timers is faster." [09:00] lifeless: I'm trying to maintain timestamps on a gettimeofday() type interface, in the background, automatically [09:01] pretty much I initialize a timer to gettimeofday() and set up a posix timer that's set to 999999999 usecs (1 second - 1 microsecond), and then when asked the time of day check the posix timer. [09:01] if it's disarmed (i.e. time ran down), I use gettimeofday() [09:01] if it's armed, I add the amount of time that's passed on the timer to my stored timeval; incriment a 'drift' on my timer; and copy my timeval into the target [09:02] If my 'drift' reaches a 'dcheck' value, I check for drift and reinitialize from gettimeofday(); if there is drift (i.e. I'm more than (accuracy) off from gettimeofday()), I decrease 'dcheck' so that drift is checked for more often (more gettimeofday() usage) [09:03] if there's no drift and I'm less than 95% of (accuracy) away from gettimeofday(), I increase 'dcheck' to lower the amount of gettimeofday() usage [09:04] lifeless: the result is that I'm using a target accuracy of 500uS, so I'm probably within 1000uS (actually within 550uS), and using gettimeofday() 1/500 of the time. === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-111-49.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] the problem is, of course, that checking the time left on posix timers is SLOWER than gettimeofday() [09:04] so I'm trying to figure out what this magical "interval timers" thing is. === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] bluefoxicy: ah [09:05] I asked davey jones [09:06] since he gave the original "userspace is way too slow" speech. [09:06] setitimer ? [09:06] http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=23618&seqNum=14&rl=1 [09:07] ah [09:08] (btw, 'linux interval timer' in google :)) [09:09] hah [09:09] the thing with that is it's signal based, so I can't turn it into a black box [09:09] plus there's only 3 interval timers, and I need the realtime one. [09:10] so it's not a case of "stick it there, use the interface, it works;" more "don't use this that and the other thing, and this will work" [09:10] so much for being generic. [09:10] well [09:10] I think the point is that if gettimeofday could be made faster the kernel folk would [09:11] so, its about doing things differently in the user app [09:11] bluefoxicy: is what you already have better than what X does? [09:12] Amaranth: it's slower by 30% because timer_settime() is slower than gettimeofday() [09:12] does anyone have a copy of dave jones' slides from ols? [09:12] sounds like they might be a good read [09:12] bluefoxicy: err, i thought you were using gettimeofday() and a timer [09:13] Amaranth: I want to avoid anything that delivers random signals or spawns threads (I can get the timers to spawn threads to update but then i have to worry about thread safety and such) [09:13] oh [09:13] i see [09:13] so you made something much more complex yet slower than just using gettimeofday() directly :) [09:13] yeah [09:15] heh [09:17] is there a better way of doing this? dpkg-query -W -f '${Package}\n' | xargs debsums -c [09:17] I'm going to sleep. [09:18] Vhata; some sort of tripwire setup? [09:18] desrt: that sort of thing, yeah [09:18] http://bluefox.kicks-ass.org/stuff/bluefox/timer/ if anyone wants to toy with this junk. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] err, debsums probably won't tell me if a package was badly installed, will it? === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0F43.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] good morning [09:24] dholbach; word. [09:25] hey dholbach desrt [09:25] dholbach; your ubuntu laptop badges are making the rounds in canada. mad props. [09:25] yo desrt [09:26] desrt: coool :-))) [09:26] oh. i wanted to upload a picture. [09:26] action shot. [09:29] http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/dholbach-in-action.jpeg [09:29] impressive [09:30] thx [09:30] took me a few tries to get one right on the paddle like that :) [09:30] hahahaha :) === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] that was really nice === desrt had fun :) === dholbach too [09:31] hello === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] moins fellas [09:44] Morning, imbrandon. [09:46] seb128; good day. [09:47] hi desrt [09:47] what's up on the crazy continent? [09:47] desrt: it's now painted purple/ [09:47] that's awesome! [09:48] those crazy europeans... always doin' something new [09:48] seb128; where do you live? [09:49] desrt: France [09:49] thanks, tips [09:49] but seriously.. where [09:50] seriously? France :p [09:50] seb128: that's near Kenya, yes? [09:50] North-East [09:50] near of Germany [09:50] near lux? [09:50] or more east of there? [09:51] near lux too [09:51] desrt: near of Luxembourg and near of Germany === desrt is planning to be in luxembourg next year [09:52] like in the north-east corner near of them [09:52] oh? === hungerW [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] anything interesting to do there? :) [09:52] look at the pretty things, i guess [09:53] and probably spend an awful lot of cash [09:53] i understand it's an expensive place to be === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] desrt: yeah, luxembourg is sort of expensive ... because they sort of have some money to spend :) [09:55] seb128: And they do not even have to spend as much on fuel as i.e. germans:-) === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] hungerW; s/ie/eg/ [09:55] desrt: What does eg stand for? [09:55] for example [09:56] desrt: Man, your spelling sucks;-) [09:56] desrt: There is no e in for and no g in example;-) [09:56] egsample [09:57] desrt: A sample of an egg? [09:57] hungerW: exempli gratia [09:57] neuralis: Ahhh, thanks. [09:57] neuralis: Now I have a fighting chance to remember e.g.;-) [09:57] np [09:58] desrt: is there an easy way to know if gnome-vfs is using inotify or gam,fam? [10:00] seb128; it's using inotify [10:00] :) [10:01] seb128; or is this more like you have to tell something to someone on bugzilla to figure out what the heck is going on? [10:01] desrt: not, that's like I've gam_server running [10:01] in that case check if fam or gamserver is running [10:01] o. [10:01] and after sending it a SIGUSR2 the log has things like [10:01] "if that's what you want to ask, what about asking dir" [10:01] ups [10:01] stupid copy being b0rked [10:01] that's an odd log message :) [10:01] "MONDIR request: from nautilus, seq 3, type 2 options 0 [10:01] nautilus listening for" [10:02] to /tmp/gamin_debug_QX9zWH [10:02] and directories like ~/Templates being listed there [10:02] have you messed around with your kernel and disabled inotify or something? [10:02] no [10:02] but maybe the edgy kernel is b0rked [10:02] that's why I'm asking how I can know if it's using inotify or not :) [10:02] gnome-vfs will check for inotify and fall back on libfam [10:03] right, that I know [10:03] idiotify! :-) [10:03] well. it is clearly using fam :) [10:03] the question is "how do I make it tell what he figured about inotify" [10:03] s/he/it [10:03] strace gnomevfs-monitor ~ [10:03] SYS_291(0xb7fbfb30, 0xb7fb15e0, 0x1, 0xb7fb134c, 0xb7f3ce60) = 9 [10:03] ^ inotify [10:04] SYS_291(0xb7fd1c70, 0, 0x1, 0xb7fbd7c0, 0xb7f537d0) = 3 [10:04] i wonder where all my fds went [10:05] holy crap gam_server is running [10:05] :) [10:05] wtf! [10:05] i knew something was wrong :P [10:05] desrt: ok, that's where I wanted to bring you ;) [10:06] so either linux is b0rked [10:06] or gnomevfs is [10:06] need a small app that using inotify directly [10:07] i think mvo wrote a piece of code that does that. [10:08] but he's not here yet [10:08] it's clearly using inotify directly [10:08] dholbach: inotify upstream has some code for that, why is mvo reinventing the wheel :) [10:08] there must be an old inotify bug where he attached it [10:08] pipe([3, 4] ) = 0 [10:08] pipe([5, 6] ) = 0 [10:08] pipe([7, 8] ) = 0 [10:08] seb128: he wanted to play with it [10:08]