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| Burgwork | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=65791 | 01:09 |
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| LaserJock | Burgwork: interesting | 01:13 |
| Burgwork | shows the importance of a unified doc effort | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: can you help with a quick wiki cleanup? | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | or are you busy? | 01:15 |
| Burgwork | which page? | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | poor zul is just not a doc guy | 01:16 |
| Burgwork | oh joy | 01:16 |
| Burgwork | there is a bunch | 01:16 |
| Burgwork | I will do a bunch of moving tonight | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | well, he is the Xen packager, so I think the contents should be ok | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | it's jut not very pretty | 01:16 |
| crimsun | you probably want to check with him first [if those are his] before you rearrange stuff | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | I did ;-) | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | he asked for help | 01:17 |
| crimsun | excellent. | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | at least for that one page | 01:17 |
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| LaserJock | Burgwork: hmm, they manage to pack a lot of docs on that MySQL page | 01:23 |
| Burgwork | utter whack --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnifiedUbuntuBranding | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | hmm, certainly verbose | 01:38 |
| Burgwork | it is also never going to happen | 01:41 |
| nixternal | jeesh | 01:43 |
| nixternal | so, im looking through screenshots right to link to on http://chi.ubuntu-us.org | 01:44 |
| nixternal | and ubuntu and edubuntu has 2 sweet pages for screenshots | 01:44 |
| nixternal | then there is kubuntu..they dont' even have their own screenshots, they link to other sites who slap their freakin' logos on the images, and 2 of the sites where the screenshots exist use flash to show them | 01:44 |
| nixternal | that isn't good in my eyes..however, xubuntu isn't as bad, but i can't find any :) | 01:45 |
| Burgwork | ah, yes | 01:45 |
| Burgwork | the kde community is noticably bad about marketing | 01:45 |
| nixternal | ;( | 01:46 |
| Burgwork | it is systemic in their community | 01:46 |
| Burgwork | see planet.kde vs planet gnome and number of screenshots | 01:46 |
| nixternal | i love KDE, as i have used it forever, but what i have been seeing is getting worse and worse i think | 01:46 |
| Madpilot | nixternal, switch to Gnome, you know you want to! ;) | 01:46 |
| nixternal | gah | 01:46 |
| nixternal | i would rather swallow razor blades ;) | 01:46 |
| Burgwork | same feeling going the other way from me | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: what do planets have to do with marketing? | 01:47 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, they are marketing to early adopters and developers | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | k | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | I just thought they were ranting's of developers, and not very interesting to the general population | 01:48 |
| Burgwork | you must look at everything you produce as marketing | 01:48 |
| Burgwork | even if only to think of adding a screenshot | 01:48 |
| crimsun | nixternal: we don't necessary care about screenshots ;-) | 01:49 |
| crimsun | necessarily ^ | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: everybody knows it rocks, right? | 01:49 |
| nixternal | ya, but for advocational purposes they are nice to show | 01:49 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: nope, and for those who don't, their loss ;-) | 01:49 |
| Burgwork | kde people are all telepathic and beam new images of the new hotness into each others heads | 01:49 |
| crimsun | [j/k of course] | 01:49 |
| Burgwork | it is why they are all drolling anti-social geeks ;) | 01:50 |
| crimsun | nixternal: certainly. You should shoot Gauvain and Jani an e-mail. | 01:50 |
| crimsun | nixternal: or...raise it on the xubuntu-devel list. | 01:50 |
| nixternal | ya, i just might do so, or i just might create them myself ;) | 01:50 |
| Burgwork | something like /desktop can be stolen very easily | 01:50 |
| Burgwork | nixternal, I can get you the raw source to that if you want, in moin format | 01:50 |
| Burgwork | or you can get it yourself via ?action=raw | 01:51 |
| nixternal | Burgwork: i agree, and i think that all 4 sites should be based the same, with their own flare...ubuntu.com and edubuntu.com look great...xubuntu.com looks good as well, just don't follow the flow..and kubuntu.org follows the flow, but looks like a really bad blog | 01:51 |
| nixternal | i can read the text on kubuntu.org from 30 feet away ;) | 01:52 |
| Burgwork | edubuntu is the best developed | 01:52 |
| Burgwork | in terms of marketing, that is | 01:52 |
| crimsun | Burgwork: well arguably it has the most difficult job | 01:52 |
| crimsun | (and should have the best) | 01:52 |
| crimsun | not that getting them all to some parity isn't a worthy objective | 01:53 |
| Burgwork | I would argue it has the easiest time marketing and hardest time selling | 01:53 |
| Burgwork | it already has a defined niche to sell to, it is just hard to close deals in that niche | 01:53 |
| crimsun | Burgwork: right, s/job/time\ selling/ | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | I was a little confused by the kubuntu and xubuntu sites | 01:55 |
| Burgwork | ubuntu isn't much better about telling you what ubuntu is | 02:05 |
| Burgwork | anyway, I need to go home | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | cya | 02:05 |
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| robotgeek | howz we doing? | 03:35 |
| nixternal | http://chi.ubuntu-us.org | 03:55 |
| nixternal | its getting there | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | almost makes me wish I lived in Chicago.... almost | 03:56 |
| nixternal | hehe | 03:56 |
| nixternal | i have been hacking php and css all day long | 03:56 |
| nixternal | and graphics | 03:56 |
| nixternal | i need new ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu logos, as they look blurry | 03:57 |
| crimsun | being worked on | 03:57 |
| nixternal | ? | 03:58 |
| nixternal | ahh...it is constructed, now edited ;) | 03:58 |
| jsgotangco | nice nice | 04:01 |
| nixternal | it looks pretty close to ubuntu.com | 04:01 |
| jsgotangco | hmm it does | 04:01 |
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| nixternal | hehe | 04:02 |
| nixternal | explain it to me? | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | im still thinking | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:02 |
| nixternal | sounds pretty cool | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | something to spur contribution | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | then get points | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:04 |
| nixternal | that would be fun | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:04 |
| nixternal | who would win? | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | worth fleshing out? | 04:04 |
| nixternal | who is your money on? | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | the brazilians | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 04:04 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:04 |
| nixternal | ya, them and the aussies are pretty powerful | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | i think its a nice one | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | bug karma? | 04:04 |
| nixternal | that isn't fair if you do bug karma, i don't have elite members yet ;) | 04:05 |
| nixternal | it would be me vs. everyone | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | so | 04:05 |
| nixternal | i guarantee my guys who are on the launchpad would see karma as a bad thing | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | i think there should be an agreed number of members per team to qualify | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | 10 at least | 04:05 |
| nixternal | chicago is out | 04:05 |
| nixternal | lol | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | 5? | 04:06 |
| nixternal | still out | 04:06 |
| nixternal | 1 | 04:06 |
| nixternal | ? | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | doh | 04:06 |
| nixternal | haha | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | what about the LoCo teams of one like me | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | uploaders are not allowed to enter | 04:06 |
| nixternal | my team will advocate like you wouldn't believe | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | if we put US together maybe | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | but only serve as team coach | 04:06 |
| nixternal | but they aren't triagers or packagers just yet | 04:06 |
| nixternal | us has a couple of strong teams | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | but dude this would be fun | 04:06 |
| nixternal | colorado has a nice showing | 04:06 |
| nixternal | it would be a blast | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | like fantasy football except its not fantasy | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | dholbach would freak | 04:07 |
| nixternal | i think there should be "Ubuntu LoCo Scavenger Hunts" | 04:07 |
| nixternal | and your team makes video of the entire venture | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | we'll have divisions | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | the EU league | 04:07 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | the NorthAm league | 04:08 |
| nixternal | oooh...we got Canada!!! | 04:08 |
| nixternal | Burgwork and Madpilot are on that team ;) | 04:08 |
| Madpilot | huh? | 04:08 |
| nixternal | i need to get in with the Mexico LoCo since I will be moving htere someday | 04:08 |
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| jsgotangco | heh i will talk to dholbach later | 04:09 |
| Madpilot | nixternal, there are good quality logos for all the versions available on wiki.ubuntu.com | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | im not sure who handles locoteams at the moment | 04:09 |
| nixternal | that is where i got all of those | 04:11 |
| nixternal | i did something with them | 04:11 |
| nixternal | easy fix though | 04:11 |
| nixternal | i have a master logo xcf that has every logo w/ name layered | 04:11 |
| Madpilot | nixternal, really? There are good SVG versions, much easier to resize vector art in Inkscape than mess with bitmaps in the GIMP | 04:11 |
| nixternal | ya, i should probably do that | 04:12 |
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| RichJ | http://chi.ubuntu-us.org is getting better and better..almost like a fine wine and age ;) | 07:31 |
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| Madpilot | odd - I can't get through to either wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com, but they ping fine from terminal... | 07:49 |
| RichJ | me either | 07:50 |
| RichJ | hopefully they are doing some updates and thats it | 07:50 |
| crimsun | apparently they've both been diggdotted. | 07:51 |
| crimsun | or whatever. | 07:51 |
| RichJ | lol | 07:51 |
| crimsun | 01:13 < dieman> nice. digg effect on wiki.ubuntu.com | 07:51 |
| RichJ | i have never heard that one b4 | 07:51 |
| RichJ | wtf happened that caused a digg effect? | 07:51 |
| crimsun | no idea. | 07:51 |
| Madpilot | with Digg, who knows? | 07:52 |
| crimsun | ah, I see | 07:52 |
| Madpilot | it's like Slashdot, only dafter, and without the +5 Funny for minor amusement... | 07:52 |
| crimsun | it's on the front page of digg.com | 07:52 |
| crimsun | "Ubuntu "Edgy" artwork progress: Great eye candy on the way!" | 07:52 |
| crimsun | and links directly to wiki.ubuntu.com | 07:52 |
| Madpilot | bah | 07:53 |
| RichJ | edgy artwork | 07:53 |
| RichJ | yup | 07:53 |
| robitaille | with all the snapshots of all the different artwork... | 07:53 |
| crimsun | man, I'm TOTALLY going to have ponies in all the default artworks | 07:53 |
| RichJ | hahaha | 07:53 |
| RichJ | i will help it get dugg if you do | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | geeez | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | they're not even planned artwork | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | just people adding their stuff | 07:54 |
| crimsun | yeah, so my ponies are totally going up | 07:55 |
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| === mdke mornings | ||
| robitaille | hi mdke | 08:48 |
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| Burgundavia | hey mdke, robitaille | 08:51 |
| robitaille | Hi Burgundavia | 08:51 |
| mdke | robitaille: how does one actually create an article on the fridge, out of interest? | 08:54 |
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| robitaille | you login, then click on "contribute" on the left-hand side | 08:55 |
| mdke | I don't have a "contribute" | 08:55 |
| mdke | maybe that's intentional | 08:56 |
| robitaille | you have entered your password? | 08:56 |
| mdke | yes | 08:56 |
| robitaille | you want to try now | 08:57 |
| robitaille | I added you as "editor" | 08:57 |
| mdke | yes, that works | 08:57 |
| robitaille | then you click on "story" to write your article | 08:59 |
| mdke | right, and "event" for adding a meeting? | 08:59 |
| robitaille | yes | 08:59 |
| mdke | very nice | 08:59 |
| mdke | perhaps not adding me as editor was intentional though? | 09:00 |
| robitaille | by the way, there was some discussion with the buntudot crowd earlier tonight, and it seems they will be a lot of near-future collaborations | 09:00 |
| mdke | great | 09:00 |
| mdke | is there a formal team? | 09:00 |
| robitaille | I'm not sure what jorge had in mind, but not being able to edit makes your access to the site pretty much useless | 09:01 |
| robitaille | fridge team? | 09:01 |
| mdke | something like that | 09:01 |
| robitaille | I guess whoever is on the mailing list is the team | 09:01 |
| mdke | it would probably be a good idea if lots of people are going to start helping out. And some guidelines for how to join, etc | 09:02 |
| robitaille | totally agree. I suspect we'll start sorting all this shortly. All this is very sudden | 09:02 |
| robitaille | you're getting the mailing list emails? | 09:03 |
| mdke | actually no, I put it as vacation | 09:04 |
| mdke | but I can read the archive | 09:04 |
| mdke | my email isn't set up well right now for mailing lists, I am using a newsreader for all the lists | 09:04 |
| robitaille | you should read the email from imbrandon from a couple of hours ago | 09:04 |
| mdke | ok | 09:04 |
| robitaille | it is the log of an informal irc meeting they did earlier today | 09:05 |
| mdke | great, I see it | 09:05 |
| mdke | lot of spam on that list :/ | 09:06 |
| robitaille | oh yes. Because anyone can post to it so that we can received people suggestions for articles | 09:06 |
| mdke | right | 09:06 |
| robitaille | spamasssin actually filter some of them out | 09:07 |
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| Burgundavia | hey jsgotangco | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | how's it going? | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | not bad | 09:42 |
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| Madpilot | careful, the IOC is rabidly protective of their logos ;) | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: you seen that branding wiki page? | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | no but im thinking of something really crazy to stir up the locoteams | 09:50 |
| Fujitsu | :O | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | well not crazy but rather bold | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: witness the utter insanity of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnifiedUbuntuBranding | 09:52 |
| jsgotangco | OS/g OS/k? | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | I suspect jbaer is a disgruntled kubuntu/xubuntu user | 09:55 |
| jsgotangco | crazy | 09:55 |
| Burgundavia | he has written lots of nice market speak on that page | 09:55 |
| === mdke slaps mpt | ||
| mpt | heh, eh, wot | 10:30 |
| Burgundavia | night all | 10:30 |
| mdke | that html trick of yours with the image doesn't work on planet ubuntu | 10:30 |
| mpt | The easy method? | 10:30 |
| mdke | right | 10:30 |
| mpt | so Planet must strip all style= attributes | 10:30 |
| mpt | in which case the only solution is to put the <img> in a <p> by itself | 10:31 |
| mdke | is there a brute force method? | 10:31 |
| mpt | which is semantically incorrect, but will work | 10:31 |
| mpt | or you could put it in a <div> by itself, which would be slightly more honest | 10:31 |
| === mdke will use a <p> | ||
| mdke | thanks | 10:32 |
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| RichJ | hiya guys | 10:35 |
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| mdke | mpt: you mean "<p><img>" right? that hasn't worked either | 11:34 |
| mpt | mdke, did Planet pick up a new copy of the article? | 11:45 |
| mdke | mpt: yes. says this: <p><img alt="the Ubuntu help menu" align="right" src="http://www.ubuntu.com/include/img/helpmenu.png" /></p> | 11:46 |
| mpt | mdke, dude, that's because you've got the align="right" in there | 11:52 |
| mpt | align="right" is equivalent to style="float: right;", and the float clearing has been stripped out of the next paragraph, so it goes into the runaround | 11:53 |
| mdke | argh, wtf is that doing in there | 11:53 |
| mdke | sorry mpt | 11:53 |
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| mdke | she is real! | 11:54 |
| mpt | gah | 11:56 |
| === mpt concludes that *that* Billie Piper isn't real | ||
| mpt | The one in the KDE photo | 11:56 |
| mdke | she is real! | 11:56 |
| mdke | well, no | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 11:56 |
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| jsgotangco | wow is she hot or what | 11:57 |
| bimberi | jsgotangco: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ (post #3) | 11:57 |
| jsgotangco | (for an action figure that is) | 11:58 |
| mpt | That one looks suspiciously rubbery | 12:38 |
| mdke | mpt: you say that like it's a bad thing | 12:42 |
| mpt | I plead ignorance | 12:47 |
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| jsgotangco | has anyone played super mario bros. before? | 03:34 |
| jjesse | yeah | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | i bought this game for the DS and they just re-made the game and its AWESOME | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | mario grows like 10 times and trashes everything on screen har har har | 03:35 |
| jjesse | cool | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | im not going to think of anything ubuntu for now and just be a kid again | 03:36 |
| === ompaul has a piece of information that may be useful in making more user friendly docs - having just had a horrible let of docs beat him up | ||
| ompaul | s/let/set | 03:41 |
| jjesse | share w/ all | 03:41 |
| ompaul | when vpn issues and the likes are being spoken about the keys and the x509 cert details should be written up large before the actual configuration of the vpn - it might seem obvious but they tend to be buried well away from actual configurations | 03:43 |
| ompaul | if that is not enough data then I will stick something on the mailing list later | 03:43 |
| ompaul | just say so | 03:43 |
| ompaul | this is because the certs / keys info is needed to do the config - so rather than branching or doing it later it should be done first with a little explaination and a branch to help choose cert / key that is all - two ugly routers and an ip sec lan | 03:46 |
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| nixternal | anyone else here on the Fridge mailing list? how come all the spam? | 06:12 |
| mdke | nixternal: all mailing lists get spam, it's just that the fridge mailing list doesn't have moderation so that people can post ideas without being subscribed | 06:12 |
| nixternal | arg, that is horrible | 06:13 |
| mdke | tha's life | 06:15 |
| nixternal | it always is ;) | 06:16 |
| nixternal | im listening to this "switchers" podcast..pretty entertaining | 06:16 |
| nixternal | he pronounce SuSe sooose, and now Soo-Sah | 06:17 |
| mdke | suzy | 06:22 |
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| nixternal | i always called it suzy as well, but I heard the CEO at the time (2000) at Comdex during a keynote, say Soo-Sah, and it was in his presentation...maybe it is the way the Germans say it | 06:37 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | if they do, i'm supprised | 06:39 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i say soos (in my pronunciation... hope your is similar ;)) | 06:39 |
| nixternal | i had an old SuSe Linux box and seen the /Soo-Sah/ pronunciation on it, then again I am talking back in the 90's | 06:41 |
| nixternal | The company has been known to pronounce it as "zu-zuh". | 06:42 |
| nixternal | that is it, not soo-sah...i was close ;) | 06:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hehe | 06:42 |
| nixternal | it is us english speakers to changed it to sound like "suzie" a girls name, "soose" which means sweet in german...we are crazy like that | 06:45 |
| nixternal | the same goes for Ubuntu though | 06:45 |
| nixternal | i have heard it pronounced "Uh-Bunt-ooo", "ooo-boon-too" and such | 06:45 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | or You-Bun-too | 06:48 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | "ooo-boon-too" is actiualy correct | 06:48 |
| nixternal | oh ya, forgot about that one as well | 06:49 |
| Burgwork | there are too many matthews involved in the ubuntu documentation | 07:34 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:34 |
| Burgwork | mdke, mpt one of you has to change your name | 07:34 |
| nixternal | they are taking over the ubuntu world | 07:35 |
| jjesse | i thought it was a rule that you had to change your name to matthew to work in documentation | 07:35 |
| Burgwork | I hope not | 07:35 |
| Burgwork | jjesse, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=jonathan+jesse&spell=1 <-- prentice has some serious google juice | 07:36 |
| Burgwork | wow, being an author really changed how google looks at me | 07:38 |
| Burgwork | http://www.usu.edu/research/programs/staffdetail.cfm?ID=6 <-- although I feel sorry for this bastard (which is not me) | 07:40 |
| jjesse | yeah i noticed that the other day | 07:42 |
| jjesse | launchpad is the third link | 07:42 |
| jjesse | so that's nice | 07:42 |
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| neoxan | hi Seveas | 08:56 |
| neoxan | Seveas, /join #gaygeeks :) | 08:57 |
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| nixternal | wth | 09:03 |
| nixternal | that took me a second to comprehend | 09:03 |
| Burgwork | somebody is stalking poor Seveas | 09:03 |
| jjesse | on #ubuntu-devel as well | 09:04 |
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| neoxan | hi Seveas | 09:24 |
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| mdke | Burgwork: heh, I use epiphany too, and the bug still annoys me, just knowing it is there, and that firefox is the default browser | 09:31 |
| neoxan | epiphany is cool | 09:31 |
| neoxan | i think it runs smoother then firefox | 09:32 |
| neoxan | :) | 09:32 |
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| Burgwork | neoxan, I suggest you stop following Seveas around. He is finding it annoying | 09:34 |
| neoxan | Burgwork, im not following him around, im just wondering why he calls me an asshole and a loser | 09:34 |
| Burgwork | neoxan, I see you trying to reach him on three different channels now. Channels you join and then ask him | 09:35 |
| neoxan | yes | 09:36 |
| neoxan | because in query i get awnsers like | 09:36 |
| Burgwork | as for whether or not he said anything to you, that is totally immaterial to what you are doing | 09:36 |
| neoxan | <Seveas> well, this is what you get for being such a pathetic loser | 09:36 |
| neoxan | <Seveas> i kick you because you're a pathetic abusive loser | 09:36 |
| mdke | right. stop this in here | 09:36 |
| Seveas | neoxan, and I stand by that classification, also because you keep stalking | 09:36 |
| neoxan | and i can go where i want to go | 09:36 |
| mdke | you can talk about documentation, otherwise take it in private | 09:36 |
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| Burgwork | mdke, cya | 09:41 |
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| manicka | mdke_, has KB contacted you re your proposal | 12:04 |
| manicka | ? | 12:04 |
| manicka | he is busy forming a team to make it happen | 12:04 |
| Burgwork | manicka, make what happen? | 12:06 |
| manicka | a team to port selected udsf docs to the help wiki | 12:09 |
| Burgwork | ah, very cool | 12:09 |
| manicka | yes | 12:10 |
| Burgwork | would be nice just to do a clean break, but meh | 12:10 |
| manicka | maybe down the track | 12:10 |
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