[01:09] <Burgwork> http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=65791
[01:13] <LaserJock> Burgwork: interesting
[01:14] <Burgwork> shows the importance of a unified doc effort
[01:15] <LaserJock> Burgwork: can you help with a quick wiki cleanup?
[01:15] <LaserJock> or are you busy?
[01:15] <Burgwork> which page?
[01:15] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[01:16] <LaserJock> poor zul is just not a doc guy
[01:16] <Burgwork> oh joy
[01:16] <Burgwork> there is a bunch
[01:16] <Burgwork> I will do a bunch of moving tonight
[01:16] <LaserJock> well, he is the Xen packager, so I think the contents should be ok
[01:16] <LaserJock> it's jut not very pretty
[01:16] <crimsun> you probably want to check with him first [if those are his]  before you rearrange stuff
[01:17] <LaserJock> I did ;-)
[01:17] <LaserJock> he asked for help
[01:17] <crimsun> excellent.
[01:17] <LaserJock> at least for that one page
[01:23] <LaserJock> Burgwork: hmm, they manage to pack a lot of docs on that MySQL page
[01:34] <Burgwork> utter whack --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnifiedUbuntuBranding
[01:38] <LaserJock> hmm, certainly verbose
[01:41] <Burgwork> it is also never going to happen
[01:43] <nixternal> jeesh
[01:44] <nixternal> so, im looking through screenshots right to link to on http://chi.ubuntu-us.org
[01:44] <nixternal> and ubuntu and edubuntu has 2 sweet pages for screenshots
[01:44] <nixternal> then there is kubuntu..they dont' even have their own screenshots, they link to other sites who slap their freakin' logos on the images, and 2 of the sites where the screenshots exist use flash to show them
[01:45] <nixternal> that isn't good in my eyes..however, xubuntu isn't as bad, but i can't find any :)
[01:45] <Burgwork> ah, yes
[01:45] <Burgwork> the kde community is noticably bad about marketing
[01:46] <nixternal> ;(
[01:46] <Burgwork> it is systemic in their community
[01:46] <Burgwork> see planet.kde vs planet gnome and number of screenshots
[01:46] <nixternal> i love KDE, as i have used it forever, but what i have been seeing is getting worse and worse i think
[01:46] <Madpilot> nixternal, switch to Gnome, you know you want to! ;)
[01:46] <nixternal> gah
[01:46] <nixternal> i would rather swallow razor blades ;)
[01:47] <Burgwork> same feeling going the other way from me
[01:47] <LaserJock> Burgwork: what do planets have to do with marketing?
[01:47] <Burgwork> LaserJock, they are marketing to early adopters and developers
[01:47] <LaserJock> k
[01:48] <LaserJock> I just thought they were ranting's of developers, and not very interesting to the general population
[01:48] <Burgwork> you must look at everything you produce as marketing
[01:48] <Burgwork> even if only to think of adding a screenshot
[01:49] <crimsun> nixternal: we don't necessary care about screenshots ;-)
[01:49] <crimsun> necessarily ^
[01:49] <LaserJock> crimsun: everybody knows it rocks, right?
[01:49] <nixternal> ya, but for advocational purposes they are nice to show
[01:49] <crimsun> LaserJock: nope, and for those who don't, their loss ;-)
[01:49] <Burgwork> kde people are all telepathic and beam new images of the new hotness into each others heads
[01:49] <crimsun> [j/k of course] 
[01:50] <Burgwork> it is why they are all drolling anti-social geeks ;)
[01:50] <crimsun> nixternal: certainly. You should shoot Gauvain and Jani an e-mail.
[01:50] <crimsun> nixternal: or...raise it on the xubuntu-devel list.
[01:50] <nixternal> ya, i just might do so, or i just might create them myself ;)
[01:50] <Burgwork> something like /desktop can be stolen very easily
[01:50] <Burgwork> nixternal, I can get you the raw source to that if you want, in moin format
[01:51] <Burgwork> or you can get it yourself via ?action=raw
[01:51] <nixternal> Burgwork: i agree, and i think that all 4 sites should be based the same, with their own flare...ubuntu.com and edubuntu.com look great...xubuntu.com looks good as well, just don't follow the flow..and kubuntu.org follows the flow, but looks like a really bad blog
[01:52] <nixternal> i can read the text on kubuntu.org from 30 feet away ;)
[01:52] <Burgwork> edubuntu is the best developed
[01:52] <Burgwork> in terms of marketing, that is
[01:52] <crimsun> Burgwork: well arguably it has the most difficult job
[01:52] <crimsun> (and should have the best)
[01:53] <crimsun> not that getting them all to some parity isn't a worthy objective
[01:53] <Burgwork> I would argue it has the easiest time marketing and hardest time selling
[01:53] <Burgwork> it already has a defined niche to sell to, it is just hard to close deals in that niche
[01:54] <crimsun> Burgwork: right, s/job/time\ selling/
[01:55] <LaserJock> I was a little confused by the kubuntu and xubuntu sites
[02:05] <Burgwork> ubuntu isn't much better about telling you what ubuntu is
[02:05] <Burgwork> anyway,  I need to go home
[02:05] <LaserJock> cya
[03:35] <robotgeek> howz we doing?
[03:55] <nixternal> http://chi.ubuntu-us.org
[03:56] <nixternal> its getting there
[03:56] <LaserJock> almost makes me wish I lived in Chicago.... almost
[03:56] <nixternal> hehe
[03:56] <nixternal> i have been hacking php and css all day long
[03:56] <nixternal> and graphics
[03:57] <nixternal> i need new ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu logos, as they look blurry
[03:57] <crimsun> being worked on
[03:58] <nixternal> ?
[03:58] <nixternal> ahh...it is constructed, now edited ;)
[04:01] <jsgotangco> nice nice
[04:01] <nixternal> it looks pretty close to ubuntu.com
[04:01] <jsgotangco> hmm it does
[04:02] <nixternal> hehe
[04:02] <nixternal> explain it to me?
[04:02] <jsgotangco> im still thinking
[04:02] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:03] <nixternal> sounds pretty cool
[04:03] <jsgotangco> something to spur contribution
[04:04] <jsgotangco> then get points
[04:04] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:04] <nixternal> that would be fun
[04:04] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:04] <nixternal> who would win?
[04:04] <jsgotangco> worth fleshing out?
[04:04] <nixternal> who is your money on?
[04:04] <jsgotangco> the brazilians
[04:04] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:04] <nixternal> hehe
[04:04] <nixternal> ya, them and the aussies are pretty powerful
[04:04] <jsgotangco> i think its a nice one
[04:04] <LaserJock> bug karma?
[04:05] <nixternal> that isn't fair if you do bug karma, i don't have elite members yet ;)
[04:05] <nixternal> it would be me vs. everyone
[04:05] <LaserJock> so
[04:05] <nixternal> i guarantee my guys who are on the launchpad would see karma as a bad thing
[04:05] <jsgotangco> i think there should be an agreed number of members per team to qualify
[04:05] <jsgotangco> 10 at least
[04:05] <nixternal> chicago is out
[04:05] <nixternal> lol
[04:05] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:06] <jsgotangco> 5?
[04:06] <nixternal> still out
[04:06] <nixternal> 1
[04:06] <nixternal> ?
[04:06] <jsgotangco> doh
[04:06] <nixternal> haha
[04:06] <LaserJock> what about the LoCo teams of one like me
[04:06] <jsgotangco> uploaders are not allowed to enter
[04:06] <nixternal> my team will advocate like you wouldn't believe
[04:06] <LaserJock> if we put US together maybe
[04:06] <jsgotangco> but only serve as team coach
[04:06] <nixternal> but they aren't triagers or packagers just yet
[04:06] <nixternal> us has a couple of strong teams
[04:06] <jsgotangco> but dude this would be fun
[04:06] <nixternal> colorado has a nice showing
[04:06] <nixternal> it would be a blast
[04:07] <jsgotangco> like fantasy football except its not fantasy
[04:07] <LaserJock> dholbach would freak
[04:07] <nixternal> i think there should be "Ubuntu LoCo Scavenger Hunts"
[04:07] <nixternal> and your team makes video of the entire venture
[04:07] <jsgotangco> we'll have divisions
[04:07] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:07] <jsgotangco> the EU league
[04:07] <nixternal> hehe
[04:08] <jsgotangco> the NorthAm league
[04:08] <nixternal> oooh...we got Canada!!!
[04:08] <nixternal> Burgwork and Madpilot are on that team ;)
[04:08] <Madpilot> huh?
[04:08] <nixternal> i need to get in with the Mexico LoCo since I will be moving htere someday
[04:09] <jsgotangco> heh i will talk to dholbach later
[04:09] <Madpilot> nixternal, there are good quality logos for all the versions available on wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:09] <jsgotangco> im not sure who handles locoteams at the moment
[04:11] <nixternal> that is where i got all of those
[04:11] <nixternal> i did something with them
[04:11] <nixternal> easy fix though
[04:11] <nixternal> i have a master logo xcf that has every logo w/ name layered
[04:11] <Madpilot> nixternal, really? There are good SVG versions, much easier to resize vector art in Inkscape than mess with bitmaps in the GIMP
[04:12] <nixternal> ya, i should probably do that
[07:31] <RichJ> http://chi.ubuntu-us.org is getting better and better..almost like a fine wine and age ;)
[07:49] <Madpilot> odd - I can't get through to either wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com, but they ping fine from terminal...
[07:50] <RichJ> me either
[07:50] <RichJ> hopefully they are doing some updates and thats it
[07:51] <crimsun> apparently they've both been diggdotted.
[07:51] <crimsun> or whatever.
[07:51] <RichJ> lol
[07:51] <crimsun> 01:13 < dieman> nice. digg effect on wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:51] <RichJ> i have never heard that one b4
[07:51] <RichJ> wtf happened that caused a digg effect?
[07:51] <crimsun> no idea.
[07:52] <Madpilot> with Digg, who knows?
[07:52] <crimsun> ah, I see
[07:52] <Madpilot> it's like Slashdot, only dafter, and without the +5 Funny for minor amusement...
[07:52] <crimsun> it's on the front page of digg.com
[07:52] <crimsun> "Ubuntu "Edgy" artwork progress: Great eye candy on the way!"
[07:52] <crimsun> and links directly to wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:53] <Madpilot> bah
[07:53] <RichJ> edgy artwork
[07:53] <RichJ> yup
[07:53] <robitaille> with all the snapshots of all the different artwork...
[07:53] <crimsun> man, I'm TOTALLY going to have ponies in all the default artworks
[07:53] <RichJ> hahaha
[07:53] <RichJ> i will help it get dugg if you do
[07:54] <jsgotangco> geeez
[07:54] <jsgotangco> they're not even planned artwork
[07:54] <jsgotangco> just people adding their stuff
[07:55] <crimsun> yeah, so my ponies are totally going up
[08:48] <robitaille> hi mdke 
[08:51] <Burgundavia> hey mdke, robitaille
[08:51] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia 
[08:54] <mdke> robitaille: how does one actually create an article on the fridge, out of interest?
[08:55] <robitaille> you login, then click on "contribute" on the left-hand side
[08:55] <mdke> I don't have a "contribute"
[08:56] <mdke> maybe that's intentional
[08:56] <robitaille> you have entered your password?
[08:56] <mdke> yes
[08:57] <robitaille> you want to try now
[08:57] <robitaille> I added you as "editor"
[08:57] <mdke> yes, that works
[08:59] <robitaille> then you click on "story" to write your article
[08:59] <mdke> right, and "event" for adding a meeting?
[08:59] <robitaille> yes
[08:59] <mdke> very nice
[09:00] <mdke> perhaps not adding me as editor was intentional though?
[09:00] <robitaille> by the way, there was some discussion with the buntudot crowd earlier tonight, and it seems they will be a lot of near-future collaborations
[09:00] <mdke> great
[09:00] <mdke> is there a formal team?
[09:01] <robitaille> I'm not sure what jorge had in mind, but not being able to edit makes your access to the site pretty much useless
[09:01] <robitaille> fridge team?
[09:01] <mdke> something like that
[09:01] <robitaille> I guess whoever is on the mailing list is the team
[09:02] <mdke> it would probably be a good idea if lots of people are going to start helping out. And some guidelines for how to join, etc
[09:02] <robitaille> totally agree.  I suspect we'll start sorting all this shortly.  All this is very sudden
[09:03] <robitaille> you're getting the mailing list emails?
[09:04] <mdke> actually no, I put it as vacation
[09:04] <mdke> but I can read the archive
[09:04] <mdke> my email isn't set up well right now for mailing lists, I am using a newsreader for all the lists
[09:04] <robitaille> you should read the email from imbrandon from a couple of hours ago
[09:04] <mdke> ok
[09:05] <robitaille> it is the log of an informal irc meeting they did earlier today
[09:05] <mdke> great, I see it
[09:06] <mdke> lot of spam on that list :/
[09:06] <robitaille> oh yes.  Because anyone can post to it so that we can received people suggestions for articles
[09:06] <mdke> right
[09:07] <robitaille> spamasssin actually filter some of them out
[09:41] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[09:41] <jsgotangco> hey
[09:41] <jsgotangco> how's it going?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> not bad
[09:49] <Madpilot> careful, the IOC is rabidly protective of their logos ;)
[09:49] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:49] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: you seen that branding wiki page?
[09:50] <jsgotangco> no but im thinking of something really crazy to stir up the locoteams
[09:50] <Fujitsu> :O
[09:50] <jsgotangco> well not crazy but rather bold
[09:52] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: witness the utter insanity of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnifiedUbuntuBranding
[09:54] <jsgotangco> OS/g OS/k?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> I suspect jbaer is a disgruntled kubuntu/xubuntu user
[09:55] <jsgotangco> crazy
[09:55] <Burgundavia> he has written lots of nice market speak on that page
[10:30] <mpt> heh, eh, wot
[10:30] <Burgundavia> night all
[10:30] <mdke> that html trick of yours with the image doesn't work on planet ubuntu
[10:30] <mpt> The easy method?
[10:30] <mdke> right
[10:30] <mpt> so Planet must strip all style= attributes
[10:31] <mpt> in which case the only solution is to put the <img> in a <p> by itself
[10:31] <mdke> is there a brute force method?
[10:31] <mpt> which is semantically incorrect, but will work
[10:31] <mpt> or you could put it in a <div> by itself, which would be slightly more honest
[10:32] <mdke> thanks
[10:35] <RichJ> hiya guys
[11:34] <mdke> mpt: you mean "<p><img>" right? that hasn't worked either
[11:45] <mpt> mdke, did Planet pick up a new copy of the article?
[11:46] <mdke> mpt: yes. says this: <p><img alt="the Ubuntu help menu" align="right" src="http://www.ubuntu.com/include/img/helpmenu.png" /></p>
[11:52] <mpt> mdke, dude, that's because you've got the align="right" in there
[11:53] <mpt> align="right" is equivalent to style="float: right;", and the float clearing has been stripped out of the next paragraph, so it goes into the runaround
[11:53] <mdke> argh, wtf is that doing in there
[11:53] <mdke> sorry mpt 
[11:54] <mdke> she is real!
[11:56] <mpt> gah
[11:56] <mpt> The one in the KDE photo
[11:56] <mdke> she is real!
[11:56] <mdke> well, no
[11:56] <jsgotangco> ?
[11:57] <jsgotangco> wow is she hot or what
[11:57] <bimberi> jsgotangco: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ (post #3)
[11:58] <jsgotangco> (for an action figure that is)
[12:38] <mpt> That one looks suspiciously rubbery
[12:42] <mdke> mpt: you say that like it's a bad thing
[12:47] <mpt> I plead ignorance
[03:34] <jsgotangco> has anyone played super mario bros. before?
[03:35] <jjesse> yeah
[03:35] <jsgotangco> i bought this game for the DS and they just re-made the game and its AWESOME
[03:35] <jsgotangco> mario grows like 10 times and trashes everything on screen har har har
[03:35] <jjesse> cool
[03:36] <jsgotangco> im not going to think of anything ubuntu for now and just be a kid again
[03:41] <ompaul> s/let/set
[03:41] <jjesse> share w/ all
[03:43] <ompaul> when vpn issues and the likes are being spoken about the keys and the x509 cert details should be written up large before the actual configuration of the vpn - it might seem obvious but they tend to be buried well away from actual configurations
[03:43] <ompaul> if that is not enough data then I will stick something on the mailing list later
[03:43] <ompaul> just say so
[03:46] <ompaul> this is because the certs / keys  info is needed to do the config - so rather than branching or doing it later it should be done first with a little explaination and a branch to help choose cert / key that is all - two ugly routers and an ip sec lan 
[06:12] <nixternal> anyone else here on the Fridge mailing list?  how come all the spam?
[06:12] <mdke> nixternal: all mailing lists get spam, it's just that the fridge mailing list doesn't have moderation so that people can post ideas without being subscribed
[06:13] <nixternal> arg, that is horrible
[06:15] <mdke> tha's life
[06:16] <nixternal> it always is ;)
[06:16] <nixternal> im listening to this "switchers" podcast..pretty entertaining
[06:17] <nixternal> he pronounce SuSe sooose, and now Soo-Sah
[06:22] <mdke> suzy
[06:37] <nixternal> i always called it suzy as well, but I heard the CEO at the time (2000) at Comdex during a keynote, say Soo-Sah, and it was in his presentation...maybe it is the way the Germans say it
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> if they do, i'm supprised
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i say soos (in my pronunciation... hope your is similar ;))
[06:41] <nixternal> i had an old SuSe Linux box and seen the /Soo-Sah/ pronunciation on it, then again I am talking back in the 90's
[06:42] <nixternal> The company has been known to pronounce it as "zu-zuh".
[06:42] <nixternal> that is it, not soo-sah...i was close ;)
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[06:45] <nixternal> it is us english speakers to changed it to sound like "suzie" a girls name, "soose" which means sweet in german...we are crazy like that
[06:45] <nixternal> the same goes for Ubuntu though
[06:45] <nixternal> i have heard it pronounced "Uh-Bunt-ooo", "ooo-boon-too" and such
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> or You-Bun-too
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser>  "ooo-boon-too" is actiualy correct
[06:49] <nixternal> oh ya, forgot about that one as well
[07:34] <Burgwork> there are too many matthews involved in the ubuntu documentation
[07:34] <nixternal> lol
[07:34] <Burgwork> mdke, mpt one of you has to change your name
[07:35] <nixternal> they are taking over the ubuntu world
[07:35] <jjesse> i thought it was a rule that you had to change your name to matthew to work in documentation
[07:35] <Burgwork> I hope not
[07:36] <Burgwork> jjesse, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=jonathan+jesse&spell=1 <-- prentice has some serious google juice
[07:38] <Burgwork> wow, being an author really changed how google looks at me
[07:40] <Burgwork> http://www.usu.edu/research/programs/staffdetail.cfm?ID=6 <-- although I feel sorry for this bastard (which is not me)
[07:42] <jjesse> yeah i noticed that the other day
[07:42] <jjesse> launchpad is the third link 
[07:42] <jjesse> so that's nice
[08:56] <neoxan> hi Seveas 
[08:57] <neoxan> Seveas, /join #gaygeeks :)
[09:03] <nixternal> wth
[09:03] <nixternal> that took me a second to comprehend
[09:03] <Burgwork> somebody is stalking poor Seveas 
[09:04] <jjesse> on #ubuntu-devel as well
[09:24] <neoxan> hi Seveas 
[09:31] <mdke> Burgwork: heh, I use epiphany too, and the bug still annoys me, just knowing it is there, and that firefox is the default browser
[09:31] <neoxan> epiphany is cool
[09:32] <neoxan> i think it runs smoother then firefox
[09:32] <neoxan> :)
[09:34] <Burgwork> neoxan, I suggest you stop following Seveas around. He is finding it annoying
[09:34] <neoxan> Burgwork, im not following him around, im just wondering why he calls me an asshole and a loser
[09:35] <Burgwork> neoxan, I see you trying to reach him on three different channels now. Channels you join and then ask him
[09:36] <neoxan> yes
[09:36] <neoxan> because in query i get awnsers like 
[09:36] <Burgwork> as for whether or not he said anything to you, that is totally immaterial to what you are doing
 well, this is what you get for being such a pathetic loser
 i kick you because you're a pathetic abusive loser
[09:36] <mdke> right. stop this in here
[09:36] <Seveas> neoxan, and I stand by that classification, also because you keep stalking
[09:36] <neoxan> and i can go where i want to go
[09:36] <mdke> you can talk about documentation, otherwise take it in private
[09:41] <Burgwork> mdke, cya
[12:04] <manicka> mdke_, has KB contacted you re your proposal
[12:04] <manicka> ?
[12:04] <manicka> he is busy forming a team to make it happen
[12:06] <Burgwork> manicka, make what happen?
[12:09] <manicka> a team to port selected udsf docs to the help wiki
[12:09] <Burgwork> ah, very cool
[12:10] <manicka> yes
[12:10] <Burgwork> would be nice just to do a clean break, but meh
[12:10] <manicka> maybe down the track