=== newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Talk] === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.158.234.136.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:09] http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=65791 [01:13] Burgwork: interesting [01:14] shows the importance of a unified doc effort [01:15] Burgwork: can you help with a quick wiki cleanup? [01:15] or are you busy? [01:15] which page? [01:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy [01:16] poor zul is just not a doc guy [01:16] oh joy [01:16] there is a bunch [01:16] I will do a bunch of moving tonight [01:16] well, he is the Xen packager, so I think the contents should be ok [01:16] it's jut not very pretty [01:16] you probably want to check with him first [if those are his] before you rearrange stuff [01:17] I did ;-) [01:17] he asked for help [01:17] excellent. [01:17] at least for that one page === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:23] Burgwork: hmm, they manage to pack a lot of docs on that MySQL page [01:34] utter whack --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnifiedUbuntuBranding [01:38] hmm, certainly verbose [01:41] it is also never going to happen [01:43] jeesh [01:44] so, im looking through screenshots right to link to on http://chi.ubuntu-us.org [01:44] and ubuntu and edubuntu has 2 sweet pages for screenshots [01:44] then there is kubuntu..they dont' even have their own screenshots, they link to other sites who slap their freakin' logos on the images, and 2 of the sites where the screenshots exist use flash to show them [01:45] that isn't good in my eyes..however, xubuntu isn't as bad, but i can't find any :) [01:45] ah, yes [01:45] the kde community is noticably bad about marketing [01:46] ;( [01:46] it is systemic in their community [01:46] see planet.kde vs planet gnome and number of screenshots [01:46] i love KDE, as i have used it forever, but what i have been seeing is getting worse and worse i think [01:46] nixternal, switch to Gnome, you know you want to! ;) [01:46] gah [01:46] i would rather swallow razor blades ;) [01:47] same feeling going the other way from me [01:47] Burgwork: what do planets have to do with marketing? [01:47] LaserJock, they are marketing to early adopters and developers [01:47] k [01:48] I just thought they were ranting's of developers, and not very interesting to the general population [01:48] you must look at everything you produce as marketing [01:48] even if only to think of adding a screenshot [01:49] nixternal: we don't necessary care about screenshots ;-) [01:49] necessarily ^ [01:49] crimsun: everybody knows it rocks, right? [01:49] ya, but for advocational purposes they are nice to show [01:49] LaserJock: nope, and for those who don't, their loss ;-) [01:49] kde people are all telepathic and beam new images of the new hotness into each others heads [01:49] [j/k of course] [01:50] it is why they are all drolling anti-social geeks ;) [01:50] nixternal: certainly. You should shoot Gauvain and Jani an e-mail. [01:50] nixternal: or...raise it on the xubuntu-devel list. [01:50] ya, i just might do so, or i just might create them myself ;) [01:50] something like /desktop can be stolen very easily [01:50] nixternal, I can get you the raw source to that if you want, in moin format [01:51] or you can get it yourself via ?action=raw [01:51] Burgwork: i agree, and i think that all 4 sites should be based the same, with their own flare...ubuntu.com and edubuntu.com look great...xubuntu.com looks good as well, just don't follow the flow..and kubuntu.org follows the flow, but looks like a really bad blog [01:52] i can read the text on kubuntu.org from 30 feet away ;) [01:52] edubuntu is the best developed [01:52] in terms of marketing, that is [01:52] Burgwork: well arguably it has the most difficult job [01:52] (and should have the best) [01:53] not that getting them all to some parity isn't a worthy objective [01:53] I would argue it has the easiest time marketing and hardest time selling [01:53] it already has a defined niche to sell to, it is just hard to close deals in that niche [01:54] Burgwork: right, s/job/time\ selling/ [01:55] I was a little confused by the kubuntu and xubuntu sites [02:05] ubuntu isn't much better about telling you what ubuntu is [02:05] anyway, I need to go home [02:05] cya === draik [n=draik@cpe-72-132-18-144.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === draik [n=draik@cpe-72-132-18-144.socal.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === draik [n=draik@cpe-72-132-18-144.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === draik [n=draik@cpe-72-132-18-144.socal.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:35] howz we doing? [03:55] http://chi.ubuntu-us.org [03:56] its getting there [03:56] almost makes me wish I lived in Chicago.... almost [03:56] hehe [03:56] i have been hacking php and css all day long [03:56] and graphics [03:57] i need new ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu logos, as they look blurry [03:57] being worked on [03:58] ? [03:58] ahh...it is constructed, now edited ;) [04:01] nice nice [04:01] it looks pretty close to ubuntu.com [04:01] hmm it does === jsgotangco wonders if loco-olympics is a good idea [04:02] hehe [04:02] explain it to me? [04:02] im still thinking [04:02] hehe [04:03] sounds pretty cool [04:03] something to spur contribution [04:04] then get points [04:04] heh [04:04] that would be fun [04:04] yeah [04:04] who would win? [04:04] worth fleshing out? [04:04] who is your money on? [04:04] the brazilians [04:04] lol [04:04] hehe [04:04] ya, them and the aussies are pretty powerful [04:04] i think its a nice one [04:04] bug karma? [04:05] that isn't fair if you do bug karma, i don't have elite members yet ;) [04:05] it would be me vs. everyone [04:05] so [04:05] i guarantee my guys who are on the launchpad would see karma as a bad thing [04:05] i think there should be an agreed number of members per team to qualify [04:05] 10 at least [04:05] chicago is out [04:05] lol [04:05] lol [04:06] 5? [04:06] still out [04:06] 1 [04:06] ? [04:06] doh [04:06] haha [04:06] what about the LoCo teams of one like me [04:06] uploaders are not allowed to enter [04:06] my team will advocate like you wouldn't believe [04:06] if we put US together maybe [04:06] but only serve as team coach [04:06] but they aren't triagers or packagers just yet [04:06] us has a couple of strong teams [04:06] but dude this would be fun [04:06] colorado has a nice showing [04:06] it would be a blast [04:07] like fantasy football except its not fantasy [04:07] dholbach would freak [04:07] i think there should be "Ubuntu LoCo Scavenger Hunts" [04:07] and your team makes video of the entire venture [04:07] we'll have divisions [04:07] hehe [04:07] the EU league [04:07] hehe [04:08] the NorthAm league [04:08] oooh...we got Canada!!! [04:08] Burgwork and Madpilot are on that team ;) [04:08] huh? [04:08] i need to get in with the Mexico LoCo since I will be moving htere someday === Madpilot reads some scrollback... [04:09] heh i will talk to dholbach later [04:09] nixternal, there are good quality logos for all the versions available on wiki.ubuntu.com [04:09] im not sure who handles locoteams at the moment [04:11] that is where i got all of those [04:11] i did something with them [04:11] easy fix though [04:11] i have a master logo xcf that has every logo w/ name layered [04:11] nixternal, really? There are good SVG versions, much easier to resize vector art in Inkscape than mess with bitmaps in the GIMP [04:12] ya, i should probably do that === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:31] http://chi.ubuntu-us.org is getting better and better..almost like a fine wine and age ;) === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:49] odd - I can't get through to either wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com, but they ping fine from terminal... [07:50] me either [07:50] hopefully they are doing some updates and thats it [07:51] apparently they've both been diggdotted. [07:51] or whatever. [07:51] lol [07:51] 01:13 < dieman> nice. digg effect on wiki.ubuntu.com [07:51] i have never heard that one b4 [07:51] wtf happened that caused a digg effect? [07:51] no idea. [07:52] with Digg, who knows? [07:52] ah, I see [07:52] it's like Slashdot, only dafter, and without the +5 Funny for minor amusement... [07:52] it's on the front page of digg.com [07:52] "Ubuntu "Edgy" artwork progress: Great eye candy on the way!" [07:52] and links directly to wiki.ubuntu.com [07:53] bah [07:53] edgy artwork [07:53] yup [07:53] with all the snapshots of all the different artwork... [07:53] man, I'm TOTALLY going to have ponies in all the default artworks [07:53] hahaha [07:53] i will help it get dugg if you do [07:54] geeez [07:54] they're not even planned artwork [07:54] just people adding their stuff [07:55] yeah, so my ponies are totally going up === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.180.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gareth^ [n=Gareth@S0106000625d8524a.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke mornings [08:48] hi mdke === mpt [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:51] hey mdke, robitaille [08:51] Hi Burgundavia [08:54] robitaille: how does one actually create an article on the fridge, out of interest? === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:55] you login, then click on "contribute" on the left-hand side [08:55] I don't have a "contribute" [08:56] maybe that's intentional [08:56] you have entered your password? [08:56] yes [08:57] you want to try now [08:57] I added you as "editor" [08:57] yes, that works [08:59] then you click on "story" to write your article [08:59] right, and "event" for adding a meeting? [08:59] yes [08:59] very nice [09:00] perhaps not adding me as editor was intentional though? [09:00] by the way, there was some discussion with the buntudot crowd earlier tonight, and it seems they will be a lot of near-future collaborations [09:00] great [09:00] is there a formal team? [09:01] I'm not sure what jorge had in mind, but not being able to edit makes your access to the site pretty much useless [09:01] fridge team? [09:01] something like that [09:01] I guess whoever is on the mailing list is the team [09:02] it would probably be a good idea if lots of people are going to start helping out. And some guidelines for how to join, etc [09:02] totally agree. I suspect we'll start sorting all this shortly. All this is very sudden [09:03] you're getting the mailing list emails? [09:04] actually no, I put it as vacation [09:04] but I can read the archive [09:04] my email isn't set up well right now for mailing lists, I am using a newsreader for all the lists [09:04] you should read the email from imbrandon from a couple of hours ago [09:04] ok [09:05] it is the log of an informal irc meeting they did earlier today [09:05] great, I see it [09:06] lot of spam on that list :/ [09:06] oh yes. Because anyone can post to it so that we can received people suggestions for articles [09:06] right [09:07] spamasssin actually filter some of them out === mpt [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc === synchronboy [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === synchronboy [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:41] hey jsgotangco [09:41] hey [09:41] how's it going? [09:42] not bad === jsgotangco tries to fix up all the project logos to look like an olympic logo [09:49] careful, the IOC is rabidly protective of their logos ;) [09:49] hmm [09:49] jsgotangco: you seen that branding wiki page? [09:50] no but im thinking of something really crazy to stir up the locoteams [09:50] :O [09:50] well not crazy but rather bold [09:52] jsgotangco: witness the utter insanity of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnifiedUbuntuBranding [09:54] OS/g OS/k? [09:55] I suspect jbaer is a disgruntled kubuntu/xubuntu user [09:55] crazy [09:55] he has written lots of nice market speak on that page === mdke slaps mpt [10:30] heh, eh, wot [10:30] night all [10:30] that html trick of yours with the image doesn't work on planet ubuntu [10:30] The easy method? [10:30] right [10:30] so Planet must strip all style= attributes [10:31] in which case the only solution is to put the in a

by itself [10:31] is there a brute force method? [10:31] which is semantically incorrect, but will work [10:31] or you could put it in a

by itself, which would be slightly more honest === mdke will use a

[10:32] thanks === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-20-188.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:35] hiya guys === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203.118.156.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:34] mpt: you mean "

" right? that hasn't worked either [11:45] mdke, did Planet pick up a new copy of the article? [11:46] mpt: yes. says this:

the Ubuntu help menu

[11:52] mdke, dude, that's because you've got the align="right" in there [11:53] align="right" is equivalent to style="float: right;", and the float clearing has been stripped out of the next paragraph, so it goes into the runaround [11:53] argh, wtf is that doing in there [11:53] sorry mpt === mpt concludes that Billie Piper isn't real [11:54] she is real! [11:56] gah === mpt concludes that *that* Billie Piper isn't real [11:56] The one in the KDE photo [11:56] she is real! [11:56] well, no [11:56] ? === lloydinho [n=andreas@192.38.119.40] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke continues to struggle with these goddam images [11:57] wow is she hot or what [11:57] jsgotangco: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ (post #3) [11:58] (for an action figure that is) [12:38] That one looks suspiciously rubbery [12:42] mpt: you say that like it's a bad thing [12:47] I plead ignorance === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:34] has anyone played super mario bros. before? [03:35] yeah [03:35] i bought this game for the DS and they just re-made the game and its AWESOME [03:35] mario grows like 10 times and trashes everything on screen har har har [03:35] cool [03:36] im not going to think of anything ubuntu for now and just be a kid again === ompaul has a piece of information that may be useful in making more user friendly docs - having just had a horrible let of docs beat him up [03:41] s/let/set [03:41] share w/ all [03:43] when vpn issues and the likes are being spoken about the keys and the x509 cert details should be written up large before the actual configuration of the vpn - it might seem obvious but they tend to be buried well away from actual configurations [03:43] if that is not enough data then I will stick something on the mailing list later [03:43] just say so [03:46] this is because the certs / keys info is needed to do the config - so rather than branching or doing it later it should be done first with a little explaination and a branch to help choose cert / key that is all - two ugly routers and an ip sec lan === matthewrevell [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === [Utah] tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch [n=jeff@dhcp561-1-99.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === draik [n=draik@cpe-72-132-18-144.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === draik [n=draik@cpe-72-132-18-144.socal.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:12] anyone else here on the Fridge mailing list? how come all the spam? [06:12] nixternal: all mailing lists get spam, it's just that the fridge mailing list doesn't have moderation so that people can post ideas without being subscribed [06:13] arg, that is horrible [06:15] tha's life [06:16] it always is ;) [06:16] im listening to this "switchers" podcast..pretty entertaining [06:17] he pronounce SuSe sooose, and now Soo-Sah [06:22] suzy === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:37] i always called it suzy as well, but I heard the CEO at the time (2000) at Comdex during a keynote, say Soo-Sah, and it was in his presentation...maybe it is the way the Germans say it [06:39] if they do, i'm supprised [06:39] i say soos (in my pronunciation... hope your is similar ;)) [06:41] i had an old SuSe Linux box and seen the /Soo-Sah/ pronunciation on it, then again I am talking back in the 90's [06:42] The company has been known to pronounce it as "zu-zuh". [06:42] that is it, not soo-sah...i was close ;) [06:42] hehe [06:45] it is us english speakers to changed it to sound like "suzie" a girls name, "soose" which means sweet in german...we are crazy like that [06:45] the same goes for Ubuntu though [06:45] i have heard it pronounced "Uh-Bunt-ooo", "ooo-boon-too" and such [06:48] or You-Bun-too [06:48] "ooo-boon-too" is actiualy correct [06:49] oh ya, forgot about that one as well [07:34] there are too many matthews involved in the ubuntu documentation [07:34] lol [07:34] mdke, mpt one of you has to change your name [07:35] they are taking over the ubuntu world [07:35] i thought it was a rule that you had to change your name to matthew to work in documentation [07:35] I hope not [07:36] jjesse, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=jonathan+jesse&spell=1 <-- prentice has some serious google juice [07:38] wow, being an author really changed how google looks at me [07:40] http://www.usu.edu/research/programs/staffdetail.cfm?ID=6 <-- although I feel sorry for this bastard (which is not me) [07:42] yeah i noticed that the other day [07:42] launchpad is the third link [07:42] so that's nice === mdke_ [n=matt@unaffiliated/matt/x-000000001] has joined #ubuntu-doc === neoxan [n=neoxan@unaffiliated/neoxan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:56] hi Seveas [08:57] Seveas, /join #gaygeeks :) === mode/#ubuntu-doc [+o Burgwork] by ChanServ === neoxan was kicked off #ubuntu-doc by Burgwork (Burgwork) === mode/#ubuntu-doc [-o Burgwork] by Burgwork [09:03] wth [09:03] that took me a second to comprehend [09:03] somebody is stalking poor Seveas [09:04] on #ubuntu-devel as well === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === neoxan [n=neoxan@unaffiliated/neoxan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:24] hi Seveas === mode/#ubuntu-doc [+o mdke_] by ChanServ [09:31] Burgwork: heh, I use epiphany too, and the bug still annoys me, just knowing it is there, and that firefox is the default browser [09:31] epiphany is cool [09:32] i think it runs smoother then firefox [09:32] :) === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:34] neoxan, I suggest you stop following Seveas around. He is finding it annoying [09:34] Burgwork, im not following him around, im just wondering why he calls me an asshole and a loser [09:35] neoxan, I see you trying to reach him on three different channels now. Channels you join and then ask him [09:36] yes [09:36] because in query i get awnsers like [09:36] as for whether or not he said anything to you, that is totally immaterial to what you are doing [09:36] well, this is what you get for being such a pathetic loser [09:36] i kick you because you're a pathetic abusive loser [09:36] right. stop this in here [09:36] neoxan, and I stand by that classification, also because you keep stalking [09:36] and i can go where i want to go [09:36] you can talk about documentation, otherwise take it in private === mdke hands over to Burgwork and leaves for the evening [09:41] mdke, cya === mode/#ubuntu-doc [-o mdke] by ChanServ === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-65-181.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@A-105-247.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-doc === osg giggles at the word defenestrate. === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:04] mdke_, has KB contacted you re your proposal [12:04] ? [12:04] he is busy forming a team to make it happen [12:06] manicka, make what happen? [12:09] a team to port selected udsf docs to the help wiki [12:09] ah, very cool [12:10] yes [12:10] would be nice just to do a clean break, but meh [12:10] maybe down the track