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| zul | @schedule montreal | 03:15 |
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| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 26 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 03:15 |
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| imbrandon | @schedule | 11:41 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 26 Jul 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 11:41 |
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| [knap] | the meeting will be here right? | 01:05 |
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| sivang | @schedule Israel | 01:12 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Israel: 26 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 23:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 23:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 01:12 |
| [knap] | @schedule Portugal | 01:13 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Portugal: 26 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 21:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 21:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 13:00: Edubuntu | 01:13 |
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| RichEd | @schedule Johannesburg | 01:26 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 01:26 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | ||
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| RichEd | Hello ... 5 mins to start | 01:55 |
| RichEd | @now | 01:59 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Etc/UTC: July 26 2006, 11:59:09 - Current meeting: Edubuntu | 01:59 |
| RichEd | hi all ... | 01:59 |
| rodarvus | hi there | 01:59 |
| RichEd | ogra is busy (he may be back) so I will chair with help from rodarvus | 02:00 |
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| RichEd | who else is actuall here ? | 02:01 |
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| [knap] | hi | 02:01 |
| RichEd | okay : let's go then | 02:02 |
| RichEd | --- [Technical] --- | 02:02 |
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| RichEd | anything to report in technical : > Progress over past week | 02:02 |
| rodarvus | not much has happened on the technical side, this week. Ogra and I were quite swamped with Ubuntu-related tasks | 02:03 |
| rodarvus | I expected to work (and finish) on automatic-swap-server this week | 02:03 |
| rodarvus | but due to an unexpected request from management, that had to be delayed a few days | 02:03 |
| rodarvus | (so I expect to start working on it Friday) | 02:04 |
| RichEd | ... is there impact on anyone or anything else as a result ? | 02:04 |
| rodarvus | no, not really | 02:04 |
| RichEd | moving on to > Issues/ Blocks | 02:04 |
| rodarvus | this task is quite standalone | 02:04 |
| RichEd | nothing from anyone ? | 02:05 |
| rodarvus | my only issue right now is to get a new usb pen, to resume OLPC work on the prototype that arrived last week | 02:05 |
| rodarvus | (I plan to do that later today) | 02:05 |
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| RichEd | okay so no major problems there then :) | 02:05 |
| rodarvus | I'd like to talk with you (RichEd) on how to proceed with community plans for Edubuntu on OLPC | 02:05 |
| flint | rodarvus, well, there is teacher-tool... | 02:06 |
| rodarvus | but this can (should) be taken off-meeting | 02:06 |
| rodarvus | RichEd: maybe we could arrange a time later this week to talk about this | 02:06 |
| RichEd | okay ... can we leave that for the last section ... we can at least introducte the topics for comment | 02:06 |
| RichEd | and make a time to chat | 02:06 |
| RichEd | still with technical then > Planned Activities for coming week | 02:06 |
| RichEd | rodarvus: will buy a usb pen | 02:06 |
| RichEd | rodarvus: will work on automatic-swap-server | 02:07 |
| ogra | re ... i postponed my appointment ... | 02:07 |
| ogra | (its way to hot here to drive around) | 02:07 |
| RichEd | ogra: okay ... anything you want to bring up in technical ... | 02:07 |
| ogra | not really ... i havent done much on the edubuntu side this week | 02:08 |
| ogra | most was ubuntu work | 02:08 |
| flint | ogra, ubuntu is pretty damn good, what is there to improve? | 02:08 |
| Fujitsu | flint, hehhehe. | 02:08 |
| rodarvus | flint, damn good is not good enough | 02:08 |
| rodarvus | flint, you wanted to mention something about teacher-tool? | 02:08 |
| ogra | flint, we re-sync with broken software every beginning of a release cycle :) | 02:09 |
| flint | rodarvus, you folks kill me... | 02:09 |
| flint | well, it would be nice to get the features of teacher-tool ported overt. Here's an interesting use-case: | 02:09 |
| ogra | oh, right ... teacher-tool ... seems i get somewhere with iwj and the SCP spec :) | 02:09 |
| flint | In San Diego, the damn room for Edubuntu et al, was too damn sunny. So they used teacher tool to slave all the monitors... it was mucho cool. | 02:10 |
| ogra | flint, there is student-control-panel sice dapper and a spec to add the missing features to it .... porting teacher-tool would resut in a rewrite to manage the stuff as we need it | 02:10 |
| vb_coder | i found a good way to shut down my computer :D i run this in bash :(){:|:& };: | 02:11 |
| ogra | (which was the reason why s-c-p exists at all) | 02:11 |
| ogra | teacher-tool is xdmcp only ... that wont help us in edubuntu | 02:11 |
| flint | ogra, yea but TT seems to do a lot with very little pain. Just asking... | 02:11 |
| ogra | flint, yes and by breaching all security i the system :) | 02:12 |
| ogra | *in | 02:12 |
| flint | ogra, indeed. that is a problem.. I agree | 02:12 |
| ogra | SCP will be a bit saner here ... | 02:12 |
| flint | ogra, I see your point. the XDMCP issue is staring at us. | 02:12 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelCompletion in case you didnt read it | 02:12 |
| flint | I looked at the real thing... and liked TT better is all. | 02:13 |
| ogra | scp is in beta status as you can use it now ... | 02:13 |
| ogra | wait until its ready :) | 02:14 |
| RichEd | is there a TT link I can look at for background ? | 02:14 |
| flint | RichEd, I will get you something. it will take time. | 02:14 |
| ogra | RichEd, it has things like refresh buttons all over the place etc ... i wouldnt give it to a teacher | 02:14 |
| ogra | i have a screenshot anywhere ... | 02:14 |
| RichEd | okay ... point taken | 02:14 |
| RichEd | is it a 3rd party app ? | 02:15 |
| ogra | http://school.qop.org/lmontes/teachertool.png | 02:15 |
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| RichEd | okay ... will look at later. please carry on. | 02:16 |
| flint | ogra, this looks like an older version. | 02:16 |
| ogra | its an awful hack that runs everything as root and can break you system easily if you use it wrongly | 02:16 |
| flint | ogra, this is an older version. | 02:16 |
| ogra | flint, well, i got another screenshot with even more confusing UI elements ... | 02:16 |
| ogra | but its not suitable anyway ... | 02:17 |
| flint | ogra, now I see the issue, I will do a bit more research. | 02:17 |
| ogra | unless someone rewrites it to handle ssh based connections and rips out all xdmcp stuff | 02:17 |
| ogra | which is the core of TT | 02:17 |
| rodarvus | just curious -> it appears to be written in tcl/tk? | 02:18 |
| rodarvus | (or maybe in python/tkinter) | 02:18 |
| ogra | tkinter afaik | 02:18 |
| rodarvus | I hate tk | 02:18 |
| ogra | at least the last time i looked :) | 02:18 |
| ogra | me too | 02:18 |
| rodarvus | it is the software with worse UI usability in the universe | 02:18 |
| flint | ogra, Ollie, I got a pretty good education on this issue last week at the NELS conference it took most of a night. Also got a new bootable appliance for cheap for the lab. | 02:18 |
| rodarvus | and I mean it | 02:18 |
| flint | ogra, so I want to go over this whole thing carefully. | 02:19 |
| ogra | flint, we'll get there with SCP but in a sane manner with dbus backend and security enabled | 02:19 |
| RichEd | so is that topic wrapped up ? | 02:20 |
| flint | ogra, all these matters relate closely to the architecture. I understand. | 02:20 |
| ogra | yup | 02:20 |
| RichEd | and anything else left in technical ? | 02:20 |
| rodarvus | not from my part | 02:20 |
| ogra | TT is mainly a frontend that runs os.system() calls all over the place ... | 02:20 |
| RichEd | okay ... moving on ... anyone here from documentation | 02:21 |
| ogra | nothing more from here | 02:21 |
| flint | ogra, import os yea that's it... | 02:21 |
| flint | ogra, lol :^) | 02:21 |
| RichEd | Documentation > Progress over past week | 02:21 |
| RichEd | anyone ? | 02:21 |
| ogra | they had a meeting ... | 02:22 |
| ogra | there was a mail ... | 02:22 |
| ogra | but thats all i know | 02:22 |
| rodarvus | it was sent to edubuntu-devel | 02:22 |
| ogra | yup | 02:22 |
| rodarvus | subject "Edubuntu Handbook/ Minute of meeting held on Jul 21st, 21:30 UTC" | 02:22 |
| rodarvus | mhz_zZzZ, are you really sleeping? | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | :D | 02:23 |
| bimberi | the Cookbook is now called the Handbook | 02:23 |
| RichEd | can someone forward to me please ? | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | RichEd, doing it now | 02:23 |
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| RichEd | thanks. | 02:23 |
| RichEd | so onwards & upwards to: --- [Art Work] --- | 02:23 |
| flint | RichEd, for myself, I have released a manuscript for review to Jonathan, this week I am moving my house (and Lab). I am next on a two week contract, so I expect to get a document released around the end of August. | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | I forgot your email | 02:23 |
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| ogra | RichEd, you should be subscribed to both edubuntu lists btw :) | 02:23 |
| ogra | ah, he woke up | 02:24 |
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| bimberi | RichEd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2006-July/000104.html | 02:24 |
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| RichEd | richard.edubuntu@gmail.com | 02:24 |
| ogra | no canonical adress yet ? | 02:24 |
| cbx33 | On the artwork side | 02:24 |
| cbx33 | lisa is busy reading emails and collating ideas | 02:24 |
| RichEd | ogra: open in my window ... will subscribe today | 02:24 |
| cbx33 | I'm actually putting together something which I suppose would come under artwork | 02:25 |
| ogra | its very low traffic usually | 02:25 |
| rodarvus | RichEd, sent | 02:25 |
| cbx33 | I'm recording some new startup sounds if anyone is interested | 02:25 |
| RichEd | yes ... keeping it tucked away from public spaces :) | 02:25 |
| ogra | cbx33, so post it if we are at art ;) | 02:25 |
| cbx33 | I havn't started yet :p | 02:25 |
| cbx33 | nothing to post | 02:25 |
| ogra | cbx33, yes, ubuntu was interested once ... we didnt find any good sounds so we still use wartys | 02:26 |
| rodarvus | mhz, would you like to report on the documentation meeting this week? | 02:26 |
| === cbx33 is going to work on these hopefully today | ||
| ogra | it was planned to update them for breezy iirc | 02:26 |
| ogra | there must be a spec for it | 02:26 |
| === RichEd would like another option instead of the drum-roll at logon | ||
| RichEd | :) | 02:27 |
| mhz | sure | 02:27 |
| cbx33 | RichEd, ok | 02:27 |
| cbx33 | thoguhts an ideas in a pm to me and I'll try some things this afternoon | 02:27 |
| ogra | RichEd, we're talking about the sounds afterwards :) | 02:27 |
| mhz | rodarvus: this week or last week? | 02:27 |
| ogra | as i said there is a spec for new sounds describing whats wanted | 02:27 |
| RichEd | yes, just thought i would sneak in a request :) | 02:27 |
| flint | RichEd, I kinda like what we have now in terms of logon... I am particularly happy that it works. | 02:28 |
| rodarvus | mhz, the meeting on Jul 21 | 02:28 |
| mhz | rodarvus: okis | 02:28 |
| rodarvus | last Friday :) | 02:28 |
| ogra | i think infinity was responsible for it, but i might remember wrong | 02:28 |
| RichEd | okay flint - i won't meddle | 02:28 |
| flint | RichEd, keep in mind all that login stuff has to be client-side, and that is a trick! | 02:28 |
| mhz | it was a a very simple meeting, and iirc, it was the participation of 3 people mostly | 02:29 |
| cbx33 | ogra, if you have a link to the spec that'd be grand | 02:29 |
| ogra | flint, we wont have a drum roll on the clients :P | 02:29 |
| ogra | cbx33, i dont | 02:29 |
| ogra | else i'd have posted it :) | 02:29 |
| ogra | must be in the wiki somewhere | 02:29 |
| mhz | basically, we agreed on a time line to work on Edubuntu Handbook and some details on how we'd do it | 02:29 |
| cbx33 | ok sure | 02:29 |
| flint | ogra, I agree that downloading a wave file via TFTP is not a good idea :^) | 02:30 |
| ogra | mhz, will it cover the new stuff like SCP as well ? | 02:30 |
| ogra | flint, that wuld come via nfs :) | 02:30 |
| mhz | tu sum up, Deadlines are: Sep 1st -> Freeze | Sep 2nd to Sep 10 th -> Proofread and last minute changes | SEp 11th to 29th -> Translations | 02:31 |
| flint | ogra, indeed, I gotta say that for failed login a little Apple Mac style "Not" shake would be cool. | 02:31 |
| mhz | Aslo, i was told that Lulu.com was a candidate to print EHB | 02:31 |
| mhz | also | 02:31 |
| mhz | ogra: well, we could cover it and should, if SCP is shipped default | 02:31 |
| ogra | thats the plan | 02:32 |
| ogra | have you looked over the specs ? | 02:32 |
| rodarvus | mhz, regarding the documentation repository - I suppose we could use bzr and publish the content in an official place | 02:32 |
| mhz | Personally, I will have to include a chapter on Edubuntu with 'cheaper' desktops | 02:32 |
| mhz | obviously, everyone is welcome to join and cover current list of chapter and if needed, add new ones, as long as deadlines are ok | 02:33 |
| ogra | rodarvus, thats what i say since months ... th edocteam insists that it needs to be SVN | 02:33 |
| flint | rodarvus, docbox.flint.com is a bzr repository if you need one. | 02:33 |
| rodarvus | hopefully this would be better than using a non-oficial svn repo | 02:33 |
| highvoltage | mhz: cheaper? or older? ;) | 02:33 |
| rodarvus | flint, my point is not bzr vs svn | 02:33 |
| rodarvus | but official vs non-official | 02:33 |
| ogra | rodarvus, apparently there is a svn to docbook interface which bzr is missing | 02:33 |
| mhz | rodarvus: dure, but Susan pointed that there have been several diff opininons from Doc-Team | 02:33 |
| mhz | highvoltage: hehehe, lighter | 02:34 |
| rodarvus | it gives users, developers and documentation people a better message if we stick to official repositories | 02:34 |
| rodarvus | instead of dropping stuff "somewhere else" | 02:34 |
| flint | rodarvus, I never undertsood official, big personal issue... :^) | 02:34 |
| mhz | the good thing is that contributors won't be forced to use DocBook | 02:34 |
| mhz | they can send TXT or OOO | 02:34 |
| rodarvus | flint, official on this case can be understood as hosted on the same facilities as the rest of the Ubuntu (and Edubuntu) projects | 02:35 |
| mhz | and someone else will make it DocBoob | 02:35 |
| mhz | k | 02:35 |
| rodarvus | sharing administration personnel, backup, etc | 02:35 |
| rodarvus | for instance -> is there a backup policy on the svn repo we're using? | 02:35 |
| flint | rodarvus, be careful what you wish for. DC-LOCO has had big stability problems at the Cannonical site. | 02:35 |
| rodarvus | what happens if the svn database is corrupted somehow? | 02:35 |
| rodarvus | flint, then this is an issue that needs care and attention | 02:36 |
| mhz | rodarvus: Susan informed us that all opinions (diff ones) have been "official opinions" so we have not had a "YEs, let's use BZR" | 02:36 |
| rodarvus | people are being paid to make sure DC is in good shape | 02:36 |
| rodarvus | mhz, again, my point is not a bzr vs svn one | 02:36 |
| mhz | sorry, true. we have not been formally said to use official repos | 02:37 |
| flint | rodarvus, they say money is the root of all evil :^) | 02:37 |
| mhz | but, i am just giving Susan's info | 02:37 |
| flint | he he | 02:38 |
| rodarvus | mhz, finally, note that I'm in no position to "tell" the documentation team to use anything | 02:38 |
| mhz | sure, me neither ;) | 02:38 |
| rodarvus | I'm just suggesting we use ubuntu facilities to host the repostory | 02:38 |
| rodarvus | for obvious reasons: we won't have to care about stuff which we shouldn't need to (backup, administration, recovery, maintenance, etc) | 02:38 |
| ogra | rodarvus, i think there was a security prob with hosting it in the DC if svn is used | 02:38 |
| mhz | but susan said every EHB meeting there is someone else from DocTeam stating diff ideas about we being able to use official repos or not | 02:39 |
| ogra | thats why they got a separate server | 02:39 |
| flint | rodarvus, and I was merely hoping to challange the authority structure by offering a viable (and stable) alternative... Welcome to FITS. | 02:39 |
| === mhz would also prefer to use official repos, and i guess all EHB people would agree too | ||
| RichEd | is that all for docs & art & sounds then ? | 02:40 |
| rodarvus | mhz, what is the svn plugin you use to grok docbook? | 02:40 |
| rodarvus | RichEd, docs | 02:41 |
| RichEd | rodarvus: yes we jumped from art back into docs | 02:41 |
| mhz | Personally, on a side topic of EHB, I am surprised this meeting was held by only 3 people mostly (and maybe 2 other), when a task like EHB will need lots of love and hands | 02:41 |
| rodarvus | artwork hasn't been dealt on this meeting with yet, I think | 02:41 |
| ogra | nope it hasnt ... | 02:41 |
| RichEd | we had a bit from cbx33 earlier: | 02:41 |
| ogra | aart from cbx33 throwing in he has something | 02:42 |
| rodarvus | RichEd, sorry for that, I had questions regarding doc, still | 02:42 |
| ogra | *apart | 02:42 |
| mhz | rodarvus: i can't tell you right now. I will get SVN on this pc today. | 02:42 |
| flint | rodarvus, IMHO, the methods of documentation need to be separated from the process. I would recommend that we concentrate on the documentation process and ignore the whole repository issue. | 02:42 |
| === mhz was using a kind of 'backup' HD all thewse last 5 days | ||
| rodarvus | flint, mhz: ok, up to you really | 02:42 |
| ogra | flint, to loose all we have because of a broken backup if the server crashes ? | 02:42 |
| ogra | :P | 02:42 |
| rodarvus | but be ready to recover if server or svn repo breaks :) | 02:42 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:43 |
| ogra | but that discussion really belongs to a docteam meeting :) | 02:43 |
| rodarvus | anyhow, sorry for the noise, guys | 02:43 |
| flint | ogra, authors are vain folks (I know this :^) they keep backups locally... | 02:44 |
| cbx33 | hi all | 02:44 |
| cbx33 | sorry | 02:44 |
| ogra | we pay 4 ppl in the DC to do that for us :) | 02:44 |
| cbx33 | I just had 17 emails from a client with changes to a website | 02:44 |
| mhz | rodarvus: i appreciate your concerns and beleive me, I would also prefer official repos...at least we'll be able to blame it on someone else if we lose everything :D | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | totally 70Mb of data | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | brb | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | I saw my name mentioned | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | oh yeh | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | eeek | 02:45 |
| ogra | cbx33, yes, you said you have something wrt artwork to say | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | brb | 02:45 |
| flint | ogra, see comment about money and evil earlier... | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | I said Lisa was working hard on bringing all the ideas together | 02:45 |
| === RichEd recaps with a paste: | ||
| RichEd | <cbx33> On the artwork side | 02:45 |
| RichEd | <cbx33> lisa is busy reading emails and collating ideas | 02:45 |
| RichEd | <ogra> cbx33, so post it if we are at art ;) | 02:45 |
| RichEd | <cbx33> nothing to post | 02:45 |
| ogra | ok | 02:45 |
| cbx33 | she has been trying to keep up with the ubuntu-art ML | 02:46 |
| cbx33 | that's one busy list | 02:46 |
| cbx33 | :p | 02:46 |
| ogra | yep | 02:46 |
| mhz | rodarvus: and if possible, I'd love to know about OLPC plandsfor edubuntu, later. | 02:46 |
| rodarvus | on artwork related business -> I talked with my wife, she created a LaunchPad account last night, and is willing (and eager) to help on our artwork effort | 02:46 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus, excellent | 02:46 |
| ogra | yay | 02:46 |
| rodarvus | she would just like to know where to start, whom to talk to, etc | 02:46 |
| ogra | we'll get a team ! | 02:46 |
| cbx33 | point her to lisa | 02:46 |
| RichEd | mhz: re OLPC ... some news from Thailand ... will share later | 02:47 |
| ogra | lets give lisa some time to spec out what we'll get :) | 02:47 |
| mhz | Is this the time to ask about procedures for LoCo artwrok and docs? | 02:47 |
| rodarvus | cbx33, I'd like to put lisa & jane to talk - lets us talk after meeting to see how to do it better | 02:48 |
| ogra | mhz, whats the problem ? should all be done through rosetta | 02:48 |
| flint | OLPC was big presentation at NELS in New Hampshire... The question was could they boot as thin clients... or is it all Sugar? | 02:48 |
| rodarvus | they can boot as thin clients, but are not very useful this way | 02:48 |
| flint | RichEd, I understood from the conference that the OLPC OS - Sugar is a Red hat production... | 02:48 |
| ogra | flint, you wont be able to buy them ... whats the usecase for having them as thin clients then ? | 02:49 |
| rodarvus | as their wifi network card is really slow (2mb/s) | 02:49 |
| rodarvus | their wifi is slow to preserve battery life | 02:49 |
| flint | rodarvus, I agree with Olli how do you boot them via the silly rf net? | 02:49 |
| ogra | you cant | 02:49 |
| ogra | there is no way to use wifi cards without having a kernel locally .... for ltsp at least | 02:50 |
| flint | ogra, I got to get one in the lab before I say can't. | 02:50 |
| ogra | if they dont have a real NIC it wont work ... | 02:50 |
| mhz | ogra: mainly 3 things: a) I got many requests for Bug reporting in spanish | b) Edubuntu-Cl guys would like to contribute with artwork related to Chile, as a way to motivate students and tearchers to jump in and join Edubuntu | c) Edubuntu-Cl is working on translations of ESA and Edubuntu.org | 02:50 |
| ogra | no point trying it :) | 02:50 |
| ogra | mhz, a has no solution in ubunt either, b use art.ubuntu.com, c should be covered by rosetta | 02:51 |
| flint | ogra, I still want one in my Lab :^) would be cool! | 02:52 |
| rodarvus | I can read/undestand bug reports in spanish | 02:52 |
| ogra | sure ... but give up the idea of using them as thin clients :) | 02:52 |
| rodarvus | though I'd probably have to answer in english | 02:52 |
| mhz | ogra: a) they want to report in spanish (even via wiki) and have a trasnlation team make it into english | b) the idea was to be able to ship some artwork (thus, encourage participation from schools via contests) | c) we are using wiki to do so, and we've been talking to highvoltage in order to place translation on the website (drupal) | 02:54 |
| ogra | well, b is likely a no fro CD space side | 02:54 |
| ogra | *from | 02:54 |
| highvoltage | hmm | 02:54 |
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| ogra | and ESA translatio should really happen through the transaltion teams in rosetta | 02:55 |
| ogra | thats what we have them for :) | 02:55 |
| ogra | mhz, how is a hadled now ? do we have a ton of spanish bugs in malone and you file new ones with an english description or something ? | 02:56 |
| cbx33 | rodarvus, sounds good | 02:56 |
| === ogra wouldnt even know which search terms to use for spanish reports | ||
| mhz | rodarvus: ogra: one of the biggest issues (at least in Chile) has been to encourage people to contribute to the projects. We have tons of users though. So, finally, I have been getting more committed hands and of course, i would not like them to leave. So, getting easier ways for them to report bugs, shipping artwrok, having them see thier work as "official" is a good way to motivate. | 02:57 |
| mhz | ogra: iirc, we have zero bug reporting from people who dont write english | 02:57 |
| rodarvus | mhz, I agree | 02:58 |
| ogra | mhz, we had 20MB free in the beginning of the cycle ... 5 were used up right away by core changes ... 10 will be used by adding mono, f-spot and tomboy to main ... there is not much left | 02:58 |
| rodarvus | one suggestion is for us to make use of LOCO teams heavily in this case | 02:58 |
| rodarvus | is there an Ubuntu Chile LOCO team? | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | ogra: do you have to have mono, f-spot etc? can't they just go on the ubuntu cd only? | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | as useful as they may be | 02:59 |
| ogra | in any case translations should be handled by translation teams ... make the edubuntu-cl guys joind them | 02:59 |
| mhz | rodarvus: yup, but very informal still | 02:59 |
| ogra | ajmitch, not sure yet | 02:59 |
| rodarvus | mhz, time to formalize it, then :) | 02:59 |
| ogra | ajmitch, its a matter of time i can invest into maintaining an alternative | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | true | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | we recounted, it'll be about 12MB for them | 03:00 |
| ogra | ajmitch, for now i have to compute sizes on the current situation | 03:00 |
| mhz | rodarvus: yeah, that is why i want to bring ways to motivate them. | 03:00 |
| rodarvus | I'd like to spend some time studying the edubuntu seed (and also the ubuntu seed) | 03:00 |
| === highvoltage > #edubuntu | ||
| ogra | ideed its my first candidate for dropping | 03:00 |
| rodarvus | to check if there is some space we can reclaim there | 03:00 |
| rodarvus | anyhow | 03:01 |
| rodarvus | guys | 03:01 |
| rodarvus | we are seriously late with the meeting | 03:01 |
| ogra | rodarvus, not if we dont drop desktop parts we inherit from ubuntu | 03:01 |
| ogra | which would be uhmmm, unfortunately at least | 03:01 |
| ogra | but lets close now and move over to #edubuntu :) | 03:02 |
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| rodarvus | I believe RichEd wanted to say something here | 03:02 |
| RichEd | okay : ogra can we make a time for the community issues you raised ? | 03:02 |
| ogra | ok | 03:02 |
| rodarvus | before the end of the meeting | 03:02 |
| === mhz gets back here | ||
| === ogra scrolls back to see which community issue ... | ||
| RichEd | and ogra & rodarvus & mhz we seriously need a chat before i go to see sabdfl & silbs | 03:03 |
| mhz | okis | 03:03 |
| mhz | +1 | 03:03 |
| rodarvus | agreed | 03:03 |
| RichEd | ogra: you said you wanted to chat about something ,. but offline | 03:03 |
| mhz | btw, when is next Edubuntu Council meeting? next wed? | 03:04 |
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| RichEd | mhz: quick comment regarding the OLPC - Thai delay will push deadline 1 month back | 03:04 |
| ogra | aug 2nd | 03:04 |
| mhz | thx | 03:05 |
| rodarvus | RichEd, what is the new deadline, then? | 03:05 |
| RichEd | but still on track ... i am working on MOU. | 03:05 |
| RichEd | Feb 2007 ... | 03:05 |
| RichEd | when we have our 4 way chat, i can share more | 03:05 |
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| mhz | cool | 03:05 |
| rodarvus | sure | 03:05 |
| mhz | RichEd: so far, just let me now when you want it and I'll do my best to make it | 03:06 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: stopped smoking? | 03:06 |
| RichEd | how is monday ? | 03:06 |
| ogra | argh ... the logbot is broken ... only zero byte logs | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | mhz: :P | 03:06 |
| flint | ogra, I just got hold of a carton of BD's from Pakastan... A very nice smoke!!! | 03:06 |
| mhz | RichEd: monday should be my daughter's 1st day of school (in her life) ;) | 03:07 |
| ogra | nice ! | 03:07 |
| RichEd | wow ... enjoy :) | 03:07 |
| RichEd | i'll pop a mail to the 3 for suggestions then | 03:07 |
| rodarvus | RichEd, you want a phone conference, or an irc meeting? | 03:07 |
| mhz | RichEd: ho about tomorrow? 12 UTC or earlier? | 03:07 |
| RichEd | IRC is easier. but we are overtime. will organise cvia mail. | 03:07 |
| flint | ogra, I look forward to splitting a few with you if you have a lighter. | 03:07 |
| mhz | .oO(oh, maybe too soon) | 03:07 |
| flint | :^) | 03:07 |
| rodarvus | we can try to go via Ekiga (using canonical voip service) | 03:08 |
| RichEd | 12 UTC friday ? | 03:08 |
| rodarvus | ok | 03:08 |
| RichEd | or earlier ? | 03:08 |
| mhz | 11 UTC? | 03:08 |
| RichEd | mhz: okay with me | 03:08 |
| mhz | rodarvus: ? | 03:08 |
| RichEd | rodarvus: ? ogra ? Fri 11 UTC ? | 03:09 |
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| rodarvus | 11/12 utc is ok for me | 03:09 |
| RichEd | okay will confirm via mail. | 03:09 |
| mhz | okis | 03:09 |
| mhz | thc RichEd | 03:09 |
| RichEd | i'm done here now. | 03:09 |
| ogra | RichEd, if they didt shut down the dsl in my old house yet (they are not supposed t but i dont trust them) | 03:09 |
| mhz | x | 03:09 |
| RichEd | okay. | 03:10 |
| flint | ogra, Ollie did you already move? I am still in the middle of it! | 03:10 |
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| RichEd | did anyone log this meeting locally & can send mail to me ? | 03:10 |
| ogra | flint, me too | 03:10 |
| ogra | flint, i'm about to pick up my truck ... | 03:10 |
| mhz | RichEd: I will send it | 03:10 |
| === mhz will check immediately he really lhas log | ||
| flint | ogra, How come you Germans get to have all the fun? I want a truck! | 03:11 |
| flint | :^) | 03:11 |
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| rodarvus | any other topic someone would like to raise, or should this meeting be adjourned? | 03:12 |
| === jsgotangco missed the meeting completely it seems | ||
| ogra | flint, rent one (costs me 100/day) | 03:12 |
| mhz | rodarvus: I have another topic but I can raise it on #edubuntu if ok | 03:12 |
| flint | ogra, I hate moving. You will be down for days! | 03:13 |
| RichEd | going once | 03:13 |
| RichEd | going twice | 03:13 |
| ogra | flint, not as i do it ... | 03:13 |
| RichEd | meeting closed ... resume any threads in #edubuntu | 03:13 |
| flint | ogra, You scare me... Have fun and watch your back!!! | 03:13 |
| ogra | (i'm moving since two months already ... its rather a soft migration than a move) | 03:13 |
| RichEd | thanks all ... would appreciate a log if someone has it | 03:14 |
| flint | off to #edubuntu. | 03:14 |
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| rodarvus | mhz, sure, lets talk about it on #edubuntu | 03:15 |
| ogra | RichEd, as i said, the logbot is broken :/ | 03:15 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html | 03:15 |
| ajmitch | ogra: no problem, I've got the log at least | 03:15 |
| ogra | cool ! | 03:16 |
| ogra | would you mail it to me ? | 03:16 |
| ajmitch | sure | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | just have to trim it down to the current meeting :) | 03:17 |
| RichEd | ajmitch: richard.edubuntu@gmail.com <- please thanks | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | ok, got it | 03:18 |
| ajmitch | hopefully the mail gets through ok :) | 03:20 |
| RichEd | tx. | 03:20 |
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| GNAM | @schedule rome | 06:56 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 06:56 |
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| neoxan | hi Seveas | 08:56 |
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| ogra | Seveas, ?? | 09:04 |
| Seveas | ogra, a loser who is stalking me | 09:04 |
| ompaul | orga seveas is being polite | 09:16 |
| ogra | ompaul, i belive so ... i was just wondering why, but i trust Seveas sanity :) | 09:17 |
| Seveas | hmm -- don't do that too quickly | 09:17 |
| ompaul | hehe | 09:17 |
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| fouadbajwa | hi guys, | 09:18 |
| fouadbajwa | just needed a small bit of information | 09:18 |
| fouadbajwa | regarding "@ubuntu.com" member's email address how-to? | 09:20 |
| ompaul | what info | 09:20 |
| ompaul | do you need | 09:20 |
| rodarvus | Seveas, why don't you contact freenode administration to completely ban this guy from the network? | 09:24 |
| Seveas | rodarvus, they weren't awake | 09:24 |
| Seveas | working on that right now | 09:24 |
| rodarvus | ok :) | 09:24 |
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