=== jrib [n=jasonr@ACA1EAB0.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9E33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === stgraber [i=steph@sgserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.158.234.136.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-60-230-255-218.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:15] @schedule montreal [03:15] Schedule for America/Montreal: 26 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu === Fracture [n=Fracture@dsl-202-173-191-84.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lguerra [n=lguerra@200.119.35.127] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D8032.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=jono@196.1.57.88] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.180.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A67649.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-20-188.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@60.230.255.218] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-104-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=jono@196.1.57.88] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:41] @schedule [11:41] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 26 Jul 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lloydinho [n=andreas@192.38.119.40] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === [knap] [n=luis@217.129.215.237] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === WikiMan [n=MatthewV@144.137.231.113] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:05] <[knap] > the meeting will be here right? === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [01:12] @schedule Israel [01:12] Schedule for Israel: 26 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 23:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 23:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu [01:13] <[knap] > @schedule Portugal [01:13] Schedule for Portugal: 26 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 21:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 21:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 13:00: Edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-227-78.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-161-59.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:26] @schedule Johannesburg [01:26] Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:55] Hello ... 5 mins to start [01:59] @now [01:59] Current time in Etc/UTC: July 26 2006, 11:59:09 - Current meeting: Edubuntu [01:59] hi all ... [01:59] hi there [02:00] ogra is busy (he may be back) so I will chair with help from rodarvus === Fracture [n=Fracture@dsl-202-173-191-84.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:01] who else is actuall here ? === ajmitch lurking === rodarvus is here [02:01] <[knap] > hi [02:02] okay : let's go then [02:02] --- [Technical] --- === bimberi lurking === flint [n=flint@69-173-180-186.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:02] anything to report in technical : > Progress over past week [02:03] not much has happened on the technical side, this week. Ogra and I were quite swamped with Ubuntu-related tasks [02:03] I expected to work (and finish) on automatic-swap-server this week [02:03] but due to an unexpected request from management, that had to be delayed a few days [02:04] (so I expect to start working on it Friday) [02:04] ... is there impact on anyone or anything else as a result ? [02:04] no, not really [02:04] moving on to > Issues/ Blocks [02:04] this task is quite standalone [02:05] nothing from anyone ? [02:05] my only issue right now is to get a new usb pen, to resume OLPC work on the prototype that arrived last week [02:05] (I plan to do that later today) === vb_coder [n=ubuntu@64-185-188-248.block2.gvtc.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:05] okay so no major problems there then :) [02:05] I'd like to talk with you (RichEd) on how to proceed with community plans for Edubuntu on OLPC [02:06] rodarvus, well, there is teacher-tool... [02:06] but this can (should) be taken off-meeting [02:06] RichEd: maybe we could arrange a time later this week to talk about this [02:06] okay ... can we leave that for the last section ... we can at least introducte the topics for comment [02:06] and make a time to chat [02:06] still with technical then > Planned Activities for coming week [02:06] rodarvus: will buy a usb pen [02:07] rodarvus: will work on automatic-swap-server [02:07] re ... i postponed my appointment ... [02:07] (its way to hot here to drive around) [02:07] ogra: okay ... anything you want to bring up in technical ... [02:08] not really ... i havent done much on the edubuntu side this week [02:08] most was ubuntu work [02:08] ogra, ubuntu is pretty damn good, what is there to improve? [02:08] flint, hehhehe. [02:08] flint, damn good is not good enough [02:08] flint, you wanted to mention something about teacher-tool? [02:09] flint, we re-sync with broken software every beginning of a release cycle :) [02:09] rodarvus, you folks kill me... [02:09] well, it would be nice to get the features of teacher-tool ported overt. Here's an interesting use-case: [02:09] oh, right ... teacher-tool ... seems i get somewhere with iwj and the SCP spec :) [02:10] In San Diego, the damn room for Edubuntu et al, was too damn sunny. So they used teacher tool to slave all the monitors... it was mucho cool. [02:10] flint, there is student-control-panel sice dapper and a spec to add the missing features to it .... porting teacher-tool would resut in a rewrite to manage the stuff as we need it [02:11] i found a good way to shut down my computer :D i run this in bash :(){:|:& };: [02:11] (which was the reason why s-c-p exists at all) [02:11] teacher-tool is xdmcp only ... that wont help us in edubuntu [02:11] ogra, yea but TT seems to do a lot with very little pain. Just asking... [02:12] flint, yes and by breaching all security i the system :) [02:12] *in [02:12] ogra, indeed. that is a problem.. I agree [02:12] SCP will be a bit saner here ... [02:12] ogra, I see your point. the XDMCP issue is staring at us. [02:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelCompletion in case you didnt read it [02:13] I looked at the real thing... and liked TT better is all. [02:13] scp is in beta status as you can use it now ... [02:14] wait until its ready :) [02:14] is there a TT link I can look at for background ? [02:14] RichEd, I will get you something. it will take time. [02:14] RichEd, it has things like refresh buttons all over the place etc ... i wouldnt give it to a teacher [02:14] i have a screenshot anywhere ... [02:14] okay ... point taken [02:15] is it a 3rd party app ? [02:15] http://school.qop.org/lmontes/teachertool.png === highvoltage arrives [02:16] okay ... will look at later. please carry on. [02:16] ogra, this looks like an older version. [02:16] its an awful hack that runs everything as root and can break you system easily if you use it wrongly [02:16] ogra, this is an older version. [02:16] flint, well, i got another screenshot with even more confusing UI elements ... [02:17] but its not suitable anyway ... [02:17] ogra, now I see the issue, I will do a bit more research. [02:17] unless someone rewrites it to handle ssh based connections and rips out all xdmcp stuff [02:17] which is the core of TT [02:18] just curious -> it appears to be written in tcl/tk? [02:18] (or maybe in python/tkinter) [02:18] tkinter afaik [02:18] I hate tk [02:18] at least the last time i looked :) [02:18] me too [02:18] it is the software with worse UI usability in the universe [02:18] ogra, Ollie, I got a pretty good education on this issue last week at the NELS conference it took most of a night. Also got a new bootable appliance for cheap for the lab. [02:18] and I mean it [02:19] ogra, so I want to go over this whole thing carefully. [02:19] flint, we'll get there with SCP but in a sane manner with dbus backend and security enabled [02:20] so is that topic wrapped up ? [02:20] ogra, all these matters relate closely to the architecture. I understand. [02:20] yup [02:20] and anything else left in technical ? [02:20] not from my part [02:20] TT is mainly a frontend that runs os.system() calls all over the place ... [02:21] okay ... moving on ... anyone here from documentation [02:21] nothing more from here [02:21] ogra, import os yea that's it... [02:21] ogra, lol :^) [02:21] Documentation > Progress over past week [02:21] anyone ? [02:22] they had a meeting ... [02:22] there was a mail ... [02:22] but thats all i know [02:22] it was sent to edubuntu-devel [02:22] yup [02:22] subject "Edubuntu Handbook/ Minute of meeting held on Jul 21st, 21:30 UTC" [02:23] mhz_zZzZ, are you really sleeping? [02:23] :D [02:23] the Cookbook is now called the Handbook [02:23] can someone forward to me please ? [02:23] RichEd, doing it now === hlabs [n=hlabs@CPE00121788bf68-CM00109558344a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:23] thanks. [02:23] so onwards & upwards to: --- [Art Work] --- [02:23] RichEd, for myself, I have released a manuscript for review to Jonathan, this week I am moving my house (and Lab). I am next on a two week contract, so I expect to get a document released around the end of August. [02:23] I forgot your email === rodarvus blushes [02:23] RichEd, you should be subscribed to both edubuntu lists btw :) [02:24] ah, he woke up === mhz silently walks in [02:24] RichEd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2006-July/000104.html === mvo [n=egon@p54A6543B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:24] richard.edubuntu@gmail.com [02:24] no canonical adress yet ? [02:24] On the artwork side [02:24] lisa is busy reading emails and collating ideas [02:24] ogra: open in my window ... will subscribe today [02:25] I'm actually putting together something which I suppose would come under artwork [02:25] its very low traffic usually [02:25] RichEd, sent [02:25] I'm recording some new startup sounds if anyone is interested [02:25] yes ... keeping it tucked away from public spaces :) [02:25] cbx33, so post it if we are at art ;) [02:25] I havn't started yet :p [02:25] nothing to post [02:26] cbx33, yes, ubuntu was interested once ... we didnt find any good sounds so we still use wartys [02:26] mhz, would you like to report on the documentation meeting this week? === cbx33 is going to work on these hopefully today [02:26] it was planned to update them for breezy iirc [02:26] there must be a spec for it === RichEd would like another option instead of the drum-roll at logon [02:27] :) [02:27] sure [02:27] RichEd, ok [02:27] thoguhts an ideas in a pm to me and I'll try some things this afternoon [02:27] RichEd, we're talking about the sounds afterwards :) [02:27] rodarvus: this week or last week? [02:27] as i said there is a spec for new sounds describing whats wanted [02:27] yes, just thought i would sneak in a request :) [02:28] RichEd, I kinda like what we have now in terms of logon... I am particularly happy that it works. [02:28] mhz, the meeting on Jul 21 [02:28] rodarvus: okis [02:28] last Friday :) [02:28] i think infinity was responsible for it, but i might remember wrong [02:28] okay flint - i won't meddle [02:28] RichEd, keep in mind all that login stuff has to be client-side, and that is a trick! [02:29] it was a a very simple meeting, and iirc, it was the participation of 3 people mostly [02:29] ogra, if you have a link to the spec that'd be grand [02:29] flint, we wont have a drum roll on the clients :P [02:29] cbx33, i dont [02:29] else i'd have posted it :) [02:29] must be in the wiki somewhere [02:29] basically, we agreed on a time line to work on Edubuntu Handbook and some details on how we'd do it [02:29] ok sure [02:30] ogra, I agree that downloading a wave file via TFTP is not a good idea :^) [02:30] mhz, will it cover the new stuff like SCP as well ? [02:30] flint, that wuld come via nfs :) [02:31] tu sum up, Deadlines are: Sep 1st -> Freeze | Sep 2nd to Sep 10 th -> Proofread and last minute changes | SEp 11th to 29th -> Translations [02:31] ogra, indeed, I gotta say that for failed login a little Apple Mac style "Not" shake would be cool. [02:31] Aslo, i was told that Lulu.com was a candidate to print EHB [02:31] also [02:31] ogra: well, we could cover it and should, if SCP is shipped default [02:32] thats the plan [02:32] have you looked over the specs ? [02:32] mhz, regarding the documentation repository - I suppose we could use bzr and publish the content in an official place [02:32] Personally, I will have to include a chapter on Edubuntu with 'cheaper' desktops [02:33] obviously, everyone is welcome to join and cover current list of chapter and if needed, add new ones, as long as deadlines are ok [02:33] rodarvus, thats what i say since months ... th edocteam insists that it needs to be SVN [02:33] rodarvus, docbox.flint.com is a bzr repository if you need one. [02:33] hopefully this would be better than using a non-oficial svn repo [02:33] mhz: cheaper? or older? ;) [02:33] flint, my point is not bzr vs svn [02:33] but official vs non-official [02:33] rodarvus, apparently there is a svn to docbook interface which bzr is missing [02:33] rodarvus: dure, but Susan pointed that there have been several diff opininons from Doc-Team [02:34] highvoltage: hehehe, lighter [02:34] it gives users, developers and documentation people a better message if we stick to official repositories [02:34] instead of dropping stuff "somewhere else" [02:34] rodarvus, I never undertsood official, big personal issue... :^) [02:34] the good thing is that contributors won't be forced to use DocBook [02:34] they can send TXT or OOO [02:35] flint, official on this case can be understood as hosted on the same facilities as the rest of the Ubuntu (and Edubuntu) projects [02:35] and someone else will make it DocBoob [02:35] k [02:35] sharing administration personnel, backup, etc [02:35] for instance -> is there a backup policy on the svn repo we're using? [02:35] rodarvus, be careful what you wish for. DC-LOCO has had big stability problems at the Cannonical site. [02:35] what happens if the svn database is corrupted somehow? [02:36] flint, then this is an issue that needs care and attention [02:36] rodarvus: Susan informed us that all opinions (diff ones) have been "official opinions" so we have not had a "YEs, let's use BZR" [02:36] people are being paid to make sure DC is in good shape [02:36] mhz, again, my point is not a bzr vs svn one [02:37] sorry, true. we have not been formally said to use official repos [02:37] rodarvus, they say money is the root of all evil :^) [02:37] but, i am just giving Susan's info [02:38] he he [02:38] mhz, finally, note that I'm in no position to "tell" the documentation team to use anything [02:38] sure, me neither ;) [02:38] I'm just suggesting we use ubuntu facilities to host the repostory [02:38] for obvious reasons: we won't have to care about stuff which we shouldn't need to (backup, administration, recovery, maintenance, etc) [02:38] rodarvus, i think there was a security prob with hosting it in the DC if svn is used [02:39] but susan said every EHB meeting there is someone else from DocTeam stating diff ideas about we being able to use official repos or not [02:39] thats why they got a separate server [02:39] rodarvus, and I was merely hoping to challange the authority structure by offering a viable (and stable) alternative... Welcome to FITS. === mhz would also prefer to use official repos, and i guess all EHB people would agree too [02:40] is that all for docs & art & sounds then ? [02:40] mhz, what is the svn plugin you use to grok docbook? [02:41] RichEd, docs [02:41] rodarvus: yes we jumped from art back into docs [02:41] Personally, on a side topic of EHB, I am surprised this meeting was held by only 3 people mostly (and maybe 2 other), when a task like EHB will need lots of love and hands [02:41] artwork hasn't been dealt on this meeting with yet, I think [02:41] nope it hasnt ... [02:41] we had a bit from cbx33 earlier: [02:42] aart from cbx33 throwing in he has something [02:42] RichEd, sorry for that, I had questions regarding doc, still [02:42] *apart [02:42] rodarvus: i can't tell you right now. I will get SVN on this pc today. [02:42] rodarvus, IMHO, the methods of documentation need to be separated from the process. I would recommend that we concentrate on the documentation process and ignore the whole repository issue. === mhz was using a kind of 'backup' HD all thewse last 5 days [02:42] flint, mhz: ok, up to you really [02:42] flint, to loose all we have because of a broken backup if the server crashes ? [02:42] :P [02:42] but be ready to recover if server or svn repo breaks :) [02:43] yeah [02:43] but that discussion really belongs to a docteam meeting :) [02:43] anyhow, sorry for the noise, guys [02:44] ogra, authors are vain folks (I know this :^) they keep backups locally... [02:44] hi all [02:44] sorry [02:44] we pay 4 ppl in the DC to do that for us :) [02:44] I just had 17 emails from a client with changes to a website [02:45] rodarvus: i appreciate your concerns and beleive me, I would also prefer official repos...at least we'll be able to blame it on someone else if we lose everything :D [02:45] totally 70Mb of data [02:45] brb [02:45] I saw my name mentioned [02:45] oh yeh [02:45] eeek [02:45] cbx33, yes, you said you have something wrt artwork to say [02:45] brb [02:45] ogra, see comment about money and evil earlier... [02:45] I said Lisa was working hard on bringing all the ideas together === RichEd recaps with a paste: [02:45] On the artwork side [02:45] lisa is busy reading emails and collating ideas [02:45] cbx33, so post it if we are at art ;) [02:45] nothing to post [02:45] ok [02:46] she has been trying to keep up with the ubuntu-art ML [02:46] that's one busy list [02:46] :p [02:46] yep [02:46] rodarvus: and if possible, I'd love to know about OLPC plandsfor edubuntu, later. [02:46] on artwork related business -> I talked with my wife, she created a LaunchPad account last night, and is willing (and eager) to help on our artwork effort [02:46] rodarvus, excellent [02:46] yay [02:46] she would just like to know where to start, whom to talk to, etc [02:46] we'll get a team ! [02:46] point her to lisa [02:47] mhz: re OLPC ... some news from Thailand ... will share later [02:47] lets give lisa some time to spec out what we'll get :) [02:47] Is this the time to ask about procedures for LoCo artwrok and docs? [02:48] cbx33, I'd like to put lisa & jane to talk - lets us talk after meeting to see how to do it better [02:48] mhz, whats the problem ? should all be done through rosetta [02:48] OLPC was big presentation at NELS in New Hampshire... The question was could they boot as thin clients... or is it all Sugar? [02:48] they can boot as thin clients, but are not very useful this way [02:48] RichEd, I understood from the conference that the OLPC OS - Sugar is a Red hat production... [02:49] flint, you wont be able to buy them ... whats the usecase for having them as thin clients then ? [02:49] as their wifi network card is really slow (2mb/s) [02:49] their wifi is slow to preserve battery life [02:49] rodarvus, I agree with Olli how do you boot them via the silly rf net? [02:49] you cant [02:50] there is no way to use wifi cards without having a kernel locally .... for ltsp at least [02:50] ogra, I got to get one in the lab before I say can't. [02:50] if they dont have a real NIC it wont work ... [02:50] ogra: mainly 3 things: a) I got many requests for Bug reporting in spanish | b) Edubuntu-Cl guys would like to contribute with artwork related to Chile, as a way to motivate students and tearchers to jump in and join Edubuntu | c) Edubuntu-Cl is working on translations of ESA and Edubuntu.org [02:50] no point trying it :) [02:51] mhz, a has no solution in ubunt either, b use art.ubuntu.com, c should be covered by rosetta [02:52] ogra, I still want one in my Lab :^) would be cool! [02:52] I can read/undestand bug reports in spanish [02:52] sure ... but give up the idea of using them as thin clients :) [02:52] though I'd probably have to answer in english [02:54] ogra: a) they want to report in spanish (even via wiki) and have a trasnlation team make it into english | b) the idea was to be able to ship some artwork (thus, encourage participation from schools via contests) | c) we are using wiki to do so, and we've been talking to highvoltage in order to place translation on the website (drupal) [02:54] well, b is likely a no fro CD space side [02:54] *from [02:54] hmm === hlabs [n=hlabs@CPE00121788bf68-CM00109558344a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] [02:55] and ESA translatio should really happen through the transaltion teams in rosetta [02:55] thats what we have them for :) [02:56] mhz, how is a hadled now ? do we have a ton of spanish bugs in malone and you file new ones with an english description or something ? [02:56] rodarvus, sounds good === ogra wouldnt even know which search terms to use for spanish reports [02:57] rodarvus: ogra: one of the biggest issues (at least in Chile) has been to encourage people to contribute to the projects. We have tons of users though. So, finally, I have been getting more committed hands and of course, i would not like them to leave. So, getting easier ways for them to report bugs, shipping artwrok, having them see thier work as "official" is a good way to motivate. [02:57] ogra: iirc, we have zero bug reporting from people who dont write english [02:58] mhz, I agree [02:58] mhz, we had 20MB free in the beginning of the cycle ... 5 were used up right away by core changes ... 10 will be used by adding mono, f-spot and tomboy to main ... there is not much left [02:58] one suggestion is for us to make use of LOCO teams heavily in this case [02:58] is there an Ubuntu Chile LOCO team? [02:58] ogra: do you have to have mono, f-spot etc? can't they just go on the ubuntu cd only? [02:59] as useful as they may be [02:59] in any case translations should be handled by translation teams ... make the edubuntu-cl guys joind them [02:59] rodarvus: yup, but very informal still [02:59] ajmitch, not sure yet [02:59] mhz, time to formalize it, then :) [02:59] ajmitch, its a matter of time i can invest into maintaining an alternative [03:00] true [03:00] we recounted, it'll be about 12MB for them [03:00] ajmitch, for now i have to compute sizes on the current situation [03:00] rodarvus: yeah, that is why i want to bring ways to motivate them. [03:00] I'd like to spend some time studying the edubuntu seed (and also the ubuntu seed) === highvoltage > #edubuntu [03:00] ideed its my first candidate for dropping [03:00] to check if there is some space we can reclaim there [03:01] anyhow [03:01] guys [03:01] we are seriously late with the meeting [03:01] rodarvus, not if we dont drop desktop parts we inherit from ubuntu [03:01] which would be uhmmm, unfortunately at least [03:02] but lets close now and move over to #edubuntu :) === mhz moves to #edubuntu [03:02] I believe RichEd wanted to say something here [03:02] okay : ogra can we make a time for the community issues you raised ? [03:02] ok [03:02] before the end of the meeting === mhz gets back here === ogra scrolls back to see which community issue ... [03:03] and ogra & rodarvus & mhz we seriously need a chat before i go to see sabdfl & silbs [03:03] okis [03:03] +1 [03:03] agreed [03:03] ogra: you said you wanted to chat about something ,. but offline [03:04] btw, when is next Edubuntu Council meeting? next wed? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:04] mhz: quick comment regarding the OLPC - Thai delay will push deadline 1 month back [03:04] aug 2nd [03:05] thx [03:05] RichEd, what is the new deadline, then? [03:05] but still on track ... i am working on MOU. [03:05] Feb 2007 ... [03:05] when we have our 4 way chat, i can share more === jsgotangco lives! [03:05] cool [03:05] sure [03:06] RichEd: so far, just let me now when you want it and I'll do my best to make it [03:06] jsgotangco: stopped smoking? [03:06] how is monday ? [03:06] argh ... the logbot is broken ... only zero byte logs [03:06] mhz: :P [03:06] ogra, I just got hold of a carton of BD's from Pakastan... A very nice smoke!!! [03:07] RichEd: monday should be my daughter's 1st day of school (in her life) ;) [03:07] nice ! [03:07] wow ... enjoy :) [03:07] i'll pop a mail to the 3 for suggestions then [03:07] RichEd, you want a phone conference, or an irc meeting? [03:07] RichEd: ho about tomorrow? 12 UTC or earlier? [03:07] IRC is easier. but we are overtime. will organise cvia mail. [03:07] ogra, I look forward to splitting a few with you if you have a lighter. [03:07] .oO(oh, maybe too soon) [03:07] :^) [03:08] we can try to go via Ekiga (using canonical voip service) [03:08] 12 UTC friday ? [03:08] ok [03:08] or earlier ? [03:08] 11 UTC? [03:08] mhz: okay with me [03:08] rodarvus: ? [03:09] rodarvus: ? ogra ? Fri 11 UTC ? === jsgotangco is a bit dazed and confused [03:09] 11/12 utc is ok for me [03:09] okay will confirm via mail. [03:09] okis [03:09] thc RichEd [03:09] i'm done here now. [03:09] RichEd, if they didt shut down the dsl in my old house yet (they are not supposed t but i dont trust them) [03:09] x [03:10] okay. [03:10] ogra, Ollie did you already move? I am still in the middle of it! === mhz moves back to #edubuntu [03:10] did anyone log this meeting locally & can send mail to me ? [03:10] flint, me too [03:10] flint, i'm about to pick up my truck ... [03:10] RichEd: I will send it === mhz will check immediately he really lhas log [03:11] ogra, How come you Germans get to have all the fun? I want a truck! [03:11] :^) === vb_coder [n=ubuntu@64-185-188-248.block2.gvtc.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [03:12] any other topic someone would like to raise, or should this meeting be adjourned? === jsgotangco missed the meeting completely it seems [03:12] flint, rent one (costs me 100/day) [03:12] rodarvus: I have another topic but I can raise it on #edubuntu if ok [03:13] ogra, I hate moving. You will be down for days! [03:13] going once [03:13] going twice [03:13] flint, not as i do it ... [03:13] meeting closed ... resume any threads in #edubuntu [03:13] ogra, You scare me... Have fun and watch your back!!! [03:13] (i'm moving since two months already ... its rather a soft migration than a move) [03:14] thanks all ... would appreciate a log if someone has it [03:14] off to #edubuntu. === cassidy [n=gdesmott@di-pc70.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:15] mhz, sure, lets talk about it on #edubuntu [03:15] RichEd, as i said, the logbot is broken :/ [03:15] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html [03:15]