[03:15] <zul> @schedule montreal
[03:15] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 26 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu
[11:41] <imbrandon> @schedule
[11:41] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 26 Jul 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu
[01:05] <[knap] > the meeting will be here right?
[01:12] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 26 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 23:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 23:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu
[01:13] <[knap] > @schedule Portugal
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Portugal: 26 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 21:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 21:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 13:00: Edubuntu
[01:26] <RichEd> @schedule Johannesburg
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu
[01:55] <RichEd> Hello ... 5 mins to start
[01:59] <RichEd> @now
[01:59] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 26 2006, 11:59:09 - Current meeting: Edubuntu
[01:59] <RichEd> hi all ...
[01:59] <rodarvus> hi there
[02:00] <RichEd> ogra is busy (he may be back) so I will chair with help from rodarvus 
[02:01] <RichEd> who else is actuall here ?
[02:01] <[knap] > hi
[02:02] <RichEd> okay : let's go then
[02:02] <RichEd> --- [Technical]  ---
[02:02] <RichEd> anything to report in technical  : > Progress over past week
[02:03] <rodarvus> not much has happened on the technical side, this week. Ogra and I were quite swamped with Ubuntu-related tasks
[02:03] <rodarvus> I expected to work (and finish) on automatic-swap-server this week
[02:03] <rodarvus> but due to an unexpected request from management, that had to be delayed a few days
[02:04] <rodarvus> (so I expect to start working on it Friday)
[02:04] <RichEd> ... is there impact on anyone or anything else as a result ?
[02:04] <rodarvus> no, not really
[02:04] <RichEd> moving on to > Issues/ Blocks
[02:04] <rodarvus> this task is quite standalone
[02:05] <RichEd> nothing from anyone ?
[02:05] <rodarvus> my only issue right now is to get a new usb pen, to resume OLPC work on the prototype that arrived last week
[02:05] <rodarvus> (I plan to do that later today)
[02:05] <RichEd> okay so no major problems there then :)
[02:05] <rodarvus> I'd like to talk with you (RichEd) on how to proceed with community plans for Edubuntu on OLPC
[02:06] <flint> rodarvus, well, there is teacher-tool...
[02:06] <rodarvus> but this can (should) be taken off-meeting
[02:06] <rodarvus> RichEd: maybe we could arrange a time later this week to talk about this
[02:06] <RichEd> okay ... can we leave that for the last section ... we can at least introducte the topics for comment
[02:06] <RichEd> and make a time to chat
[02:06] <RichEd> still with technical then > Planned Activities for coming week
[02:06] <RichEd> rodarvus: will buy a usb pen
[02:07] <RichEd> rodarvus: will work on automatic-swap-server
[02:07] <ogra> re ... i postponed my appointment ...
[02:07] <ogra> (its way to hot here to drive around)
[02:07] <RichEd> ogra: okay ... anything you want to bring up in technical ...
[02:08] <ogra> not really ... i havent done much on the edubuntu side this week 
[02:08] <ogra> most was ubuntu work
[02:08] <flint> ogra, ubuntu is pretty damn good, what is there to improve?
[02:08] <Fujitsu> flint, hehhehe.
[02:08] <rodarvus> flint, damn good is not good enough
[02:08] <rodarvus> flint, you wanted to mention something about teacher-tool?
[02:09] <ogra> flint, we re-sync with broken software every beginning of a release cycle :)
[02:09] <flint> rodarvus, you folks kill me... 
[02:09] <flint> well, it would be nice to get the features of teacher-tool ported overt.  Here's an interesting use-case:
[02:09] <ogra> oh, right ... teacher-tool ... seems i get somewhere with iwj and the SCP spec :)
[02:10] <flint> In San Diego, the damn room for Edubuntu et al, was too damn sunny.  So they used teacher tool to slave all the monitors... it was mucho cool.
[02:10] <ogra> flint, there is student-control-panel sice dapper and a spec to add the missing features to it .... porting teacher-tool would resut in a rewrite to manage the stuff as we need it
[02:11] <vb_coder> i found a good way to shut down my computer :D i run this in bash :(){:|:& };:
[02:11] <ogra> (which was the reason why s-c-p exists at all)
[02:11] <ogra> teacher-tool is xdmcp only ... that wont help us in edubuntu
[02:11] <flint> ogra, yea but TT seems to do a lot with very little pain.  Just asking...
[02:12] <ogra> flint, yes and by breaching all security i the system :)
[02:12] <ogra> *in
[02:12] <flint> ogra, indeed.  that is a problem.. I agree
[02:12] <ogra> SCP will be a bit saner here ...
[02:12] <flint> ogra, I see your point.  the XDMCP issue is staring at us.  
[02:12] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelCompletion in case you didnt read it
[02:13] <flint> I looked at the real thing... and liked TT better is all.
[02:13] <ogra> scp is in beta status as you can use it now ...
[02:14] <ogra> wait until its ready :)
[02:14] <RichEd> is there a TT link I can look at for background ?
[02:14] <flint> RichEd, I will get you something.  it will take time.
[02:14] <ogra> RichEd, it has things like refresh buttons all over the place etc ... i wouldnt give it to a teacher
[02:14] <ogra> i have a screenshot anywhere ...
[02:14] <RichEd> okay ... point taken
[02:15] <RichEd> is it a 3rd party app ? 
[02:15] <ogra> http://school.qop.org/lmontes/teachertool.png
[02:16] <RichEd> okay ... will look at later. please carry on.
[02:16] <flint> ogra, this looks like an older version.
[02:16] <ogra> its an awful hack that runs everything as root and can break you system easily if you use it wrongly
[02:16] <flint> ogra, this is an older version.  
[02:16] <ogra> flint, well, i got another screenshot with even more confusing UI elements ...
[02:17] <ogra> but its not suitable anyway ...
[02:17] <flint> ogra, now I see the issue, I will do a bit more research.
[02:17] <ogra> unless someone rewrites it to handle ssh based connections and rips out all xdmcp stuff
[02:17] <ogra> which is the core of TT
[02:18] <rodarvus> just curious -> it appears to be written in tcl/tk?
[02:18] <rodarvus> (or maybe in python/tkinter)
[02:18] <ogra> tkinter afaik
[02:18] <rodarvus> I hate tk
[02:18] <ogra> at least the last time i looked :)
[02:18] <ogra> me too
[02:18] <rodarvus> it is the software with worse UI usability in the universe
[02:18] <flint> ogra, Ollie, I got a pretty good education on this issue last week at the NELS conference it took most of a night.  Also got a new bootable appliance for cheap for the lab.
[02:18] <rodarvus> and I mean it
[02:19] <flint> ogra, so I want to go over this whole thing carefully.
[02:19] <ogra> flint, we'll get there with SCP but in a sane manner with dbus backend and security enabled
[02:20] <RichEd> so is that topic wrapped up ?
[02:20] <flint> ogra, all these matters relate closely to the architecture.  I understand.
[02:20] <ogra> yup
[02:20] <RichEd> and anything else left in technical ?
[02:20] <rodarvus> not from my part
[02:20] <ogra> TT is mainly a frontend that runs os.system() calls all over the place ... 
[02:21] <RichEd> okay ... moving on ... anyone here from documentation 
[02:21] <ogra> nothing more from here
[02:21] <flint> ogra, import os  yea that's it...
[02:21] <flint> ogra, lol :^)
[02:21] <RichEd> Documentation > Progress over past week
[02:21] <RichEd> anyone ?
[02:22] <ogra> they had a meeting ...
[02:22] <ogra> there was a mail ... 
[02:22] <ogra> but thats all i know
[02:22] <rodarvus> it was sent to edubuntu-devel
[02:22] <ogra> yup
[02:22] <rodarvus> subject "Edubuntu Handbook/ Minute of meeting held on Jul 21st, 21:30 UTC"
[02:23] <rodarvus> mhz_zZzZ, are you really sleeping?
[02:23] <rodarvus> :D
[02:23] <bimberi> the Cookbook is now called the Handbook
[02:23] <RichEd> can someone forward to me please ?
[02:23] <rodarvus> RichEd, doing it now
[02:23] <RichEd> thanks.
[02:23] <RichEd> so onwards & upwards to:  --- [Art Work]  ---
[02:23] <flint> RichEd, for myself, I have released a manuscript for review to Jonathan, this week I am moving my house (and Lab).  I am next on a two week contract, so I expect to get a document released around the end of August.
[02:23] <rodarvus> I forgot your email
[02:23] <ogra> RichEd, you should be subscribed to both edubuntu lists btw :)
[02:24] <ogra> ah, he woke up 
[02:24] <bimberi> RichEd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2006-July/000104.html
[02:24] <RichEd> richard.edubuntu@gmail.com
[02:24] <ogra> no canonical adress yet ? 
[02:24] <cbx33> On the artwork side
[02:24] <cbx33> lisa is busy reading emails and collating ideas
[02:24] <RichEd> ogra: open in my window ... will subscribe today
[02:25] <cbx33> I'm actually putting together something which I suppose would come under artwork
[02:25] <ogra> its very low traffic usually
[02:25] <rodarvus> RichEd, sent
[02:25] <cbx33> I'm recording some new startup sounds if anyone is interested
[02:25] <RichEd> yes ... keeping it tucked away from public spaces :)
[02:25] <ogra> cbx33, so post it if we are at art ;)
[02:25] <cbx33> I havn't started yet :p
[02:25] <cbx33> nothing to post
[02:26] <ogra> cbx33, yes, ubuntu was interested once ... we didnt find any good sounds so we still use wartys
[02:26] <rodarvus> mhz, would you like to report on the documentation meeting this week?
[02:26] <ogra> it was planned to update them for breezy iirc
[02:26] <ogra> there must be a spec for it
[02:27] <RichEd> :)
[02:27] <mhz> sure
[02:27] <cbx33> RichEd, ok
[02:27] <cbx33> thoguhts an ideas in a pm to me and I'll try some things this afternoon
[02:27] <ogra> RichEd, we're talking about the sounds afterwards :)
[02:27] <mhz> rodarvus: this week or last week?
[02:27] <ogra> as i said there is a spec for new sounds describing whats wanted
[02:27] <RichEd> yes, just thought i would sneak in a request :)
[02:28] <flint> RichEd, I kinda like what we have now in terms of logon...  I am particularly happy that it works.
[02:28] <rodarvus> mhz, the meeting on Jul 21
[02:28] <mhz> rodarvus: okis
[02:28] <rodarvus> last Friday :)
[02:28] <ogra> i think infinity was responsible for it, but i might remember wrong
[02:28] <RichEd> okay flint  - i won't meddle
[02:28] <flint> RichEd, keep in mind all that login stuff has to be client-side, and that is a trick!
[02:29] <mhz> it was a a very simple meeting, and iirc, it was the participation of 3 people mostly
[02:29] <cbx33> ogra, if you have a link to the spec that'd be grand
[02:29] <ogra> flint, we wont have a drum roll on the clients :P
[02:29] <ogra> cbx33, i dont
[02:29] <ogra> else i'd have posted it :)
[02:29] <ogra> must be in the wiki somewhere
[02:29] <mhz> basically, we agreed on a time line to work on Edubuntu Handbook and some details on how we'd do it
[02:29] <cbx33> ok sure
[02:30] <flint> ogra, I agree that downloading a wave file via TFTP is not a good idea :^)
[02:30] <ogra> mhz, will it cover the new stuff like SCP as well ? 
[02:30] <ogra> flint, that wuld come via nfs :)
[02:31] <mhz> tu sum up, Deadlines are: Sep 1st -> Freeze  |  Sep 2nd to Sep 10 th -> Proofread and last minute changes   |   SEp 11th to 29th -> Translations
[02:31] <flint> ogra, indeed, I gotta say that for failed login a little Apple Mac style "Not" shake would be cool.
[02:31] <mhz> Aslo, i was told that Lulu.com was a candidate to print EHB
[02:31] <mhz> also
[02:31] <mhz> ogra: well, we could cover it and should, if SCP is shipped default
[02:32] <ogra> thats the plan
[02:32] <ogra> have you looked over the specs ?
[02:32] <rodarvus> mhz, regarding the documentation repository - I suppose we could use bzr and publish the content in an official place
[02:32] <mhz> Personally, I will have to include a chapter on Edubuntu with 'cheaper' desktops
[02:33] <mhz> obviously, everyone is welcome to join and cover current list of chapter and if needed, add new ones, as long as deadlines are ok
[02:33] <ogra> rodarvus, thats what i say since months ... th edocteam insists that it needs to be SVN
[02:33] <flint> rodarvus, docbox.flint.com is a bzr repository if you need one.
[02:33] <rodarvus> hopefully this would be better than using a non-oficial svn repo
[02:33] <highvoltage> mhz: cheaper? or older? ;)
[02:33] <rodarvus> flint, my point is not bzr vs svn
[02:33] <rodarvus> but official vs non-official
[02:33] <ogra> rodarvus, apparently there is a svn to docbook interface which bzr is missing
[02:33] <mhz> rodarvus: dure, but Susan pointed that there have been  several diff opininons from Doc-Team
[02:34] <mhz> highvoltage: hehehe, lighter
[02:34] <rodarvus> it gives users, developers and documentation people a better message if we stick to official repositories
[02:34] <rodarvus> instead of dropping stuff "somewhere else"
[02:34] <flint> rodarvus, I never undertsood official, big personal issue... :^)
[02:34] <mhz> the good thing is that contributors won't be forced to use DocBook
[02:34] <mhz> they can send TXT or OOO
[02:35] <rodarvus> flint, official on this case can be understood as hosted on the same facilities as the rest of the Ubuntu (and Edubuntu) projects
[02:35] <mhz> and someone else will make it DocBoob
[02:35] <mhz> k
[02:35] <rodarvus> sharing administration personnel, backup, etc
[02:35] <rodarvus> for instance -> is there a backup policy on the svn repo we're using?
[02:35] <flint> rodarvus, be careful what you wish for.  DC-LOCO has had big stability problems at the Cannonical site.
[02:35] <rodarvus> what happens if the svn database is corrupted somehow?
[02:36] <rodarvus> flint, then this is an issue that needs care and attention
[02:36] <mhz> rodarvus: Susan informed us that all opinions (diff ones) have been "official opinions" so we have not had a "YEs, let's use BZR"
[02:36] <rodarvus> people are being paid to make sure DC is in good shape
[02:36] <rodarvus> mhz, again, my point is not a bzr vs svn one
[02:37] <mhz> sorry, true. we have not been formally said to use official repos
[02:37] <flint> rodarvus, they say money is the root of all evil :^)
[02:37] <mhz> but, i am just giving Susan's info
[02:38] <flint> he he
[02:38] <rodarvus> mhz, finally, note that I'm in no position to "tell" the documentation team to use anything
[02:38] <mhz> sure, me neither ;)
[02:38] <rodarvus> I'm just suggesting we use ubuntu facilities to host the repostory
[02:38] <rodarvus> for obvious reasons: we won't have to care about stuff which we shouldn't need to (backup, administration, recovery, maintenance, etc)
[02:38] <ogra> rodarvus, i think there was a security prob with hosting it in the DC if svn is used
[02:39] <mhz> but susan said every EHB meeting there is someone else from DocTeam stating diff ideas about we being able to use official repos or not
[02:39] <ogra> thats why they got a separate server
[02:39] <flint> rodarvus, and I was merely hoping to challange the authority structure by offering a viable (and stable) alternative... Welcome to FITS.
[02:40] <RichEd> is that all for docs & art & sounds then ?
[02:40] <rodarvus> mhz, what is the svn plugin you use to grok docbook?
[02:41] <rodarvus> RichEd, docs
[02:41] <RichEd> rodarvus: yes we jumped from art back into docs
[02:41] <mhz> Personally, on a side topic of EHB, I am surprised this meeting was held by only 3 people mostly (and maybe 2 other), when a task like EHB will need lots of love and hands
[02:41] <rodarvus> artwork hasn't been dealt on this meeting with yet, I think
[02:41] <ogra> nope it hasnt ... 
[02:41] <RichEd> we had a bit from cbx33 earlier:
[02:42] <ogra> aart from cbx33 throwing in he has something
[02:42] <rodarvus> RichEd, sorry for that, I had questions regarding doc, still
[02:42] <ogra> *apart
[02:42] <mhz> rodarvus: i can't tell you right now. I will get SVN on this pc today.
[02:42] <flint> rodarvus, IMHO, the methods of documentation need to be separated from the process.  I would recommend that we concentrate on the documentation process and ignore the whole repository issue.
[02:42] <rodarvus> flint, mhz: ok, up to you really
[02:42] <ogra> flint, to loose all we have because of a broken backup if the server crashes ? 
[02:42] <ogra> :P
[02:42] <rodarvus> but be ready to recover if server or svn repo breaks :)
[02:43] <ogra> yeah
[02:43] <ogra> but that discussion really belongs to a docteam meeting :)
[02:43] <rodarvus> anyhow, sorry for the noise, guys
[02:44] <flint> ogra, authors are vain folks (I know this :^) they keep backups locally...
[02:44] <cbx33> hi all
[02:44] <cbx33> sorry
[02:44] <ogra> we pay 4 ppl in the DC to do that for us :)
[02:44] <cbx33> I just had 17 emails from a client with changes to a website
[02:45] <mhz> rodarvus: i appreciate your concerns and beleive me, I would also prefer official repos...at least we'll be able to blame it on someone else if we lose everything :D
[02:45] <cbx33> totally 70Mb of data
[02:45] <cbx33> brb
[02:45] <cbx33> I saw my name mentioned
[02:45] <cbx33> oh yeh
[02:45] <cbx33> eeek
[02:45] <ogra> cbx33, yes, you said you have something wrt artwork to say
[02:45] <cbx33> brb
[02:45] <flint> ogra, see comment about money and evil earlier...
[02:45] <cbx33> I said Lisa was working hard on bringing all the ideas together
 On the artwork side
 lisa is busy reading emails and collating ideas
 cbx33, so post it if we are at art ;)
 nothing to post
[02:45] <ogra> ok
[02:46] <cbx33> she has been trying to keep up with the ubuntu-art ML
[02:46] <cbx33> that's one busy list
[02:46] <cbx33> :p
[02:46] <ogra> yep
[02:46] <mhz> rodarvus: and if possible, I'd love to know about OLPC plandsfor edubuntu, later.
[02:46] <rodarvus> on artwork related business -> I talked with my wife, she created a LaunchPad account last night, and is willing (and eager) to help on our artwork effort
[02:46] <cbx33> rodarvus, excellent
[02:46] <ogra> yay
[02:46] <rodarvus> she would just like to know where to start, whom to talk to, etc
[02:46] <ogra> we'll get a team !
[02:46] <cbx33> point her to lisa
[02:47] <RichEd> mhz: re OLPC ... some news from Thailand ... will share later
[02:47] <ogra> lets give lisa some time to spec out what we'll get :)
[02:47] <mhz> Is this the time to ask about procedures for LoCo artwrok and docs?
[02:48] <rodarvus> cbx33, I'd like to put lisa & jane to talk - lets us talk after meeting to see how to do it better
[02:48] <ogra> mhz, whats the problem ? should all be done through rosetta 
[02:48] <flint> OLPC was big presentation at NELS in New Hampshire... The question was could they boot as thin clients... or is it all Sugar?
[02:48] <rodarvus> they can boot as thin clients, but are not very useful this way
[02:48] <flint> RichEd, I understood from the conference that the OLPC OS - Sugar is a Red hat production...
[02:49] <ogra> flint, you wont be able to buy them ... whats the usecase for having them as thin clients then ? 
[02:49] <rodarvus> as their wifi network card is really slow (2mb/s)
[02:49] <rodarvus> their wifi is slow to preserve battery life
[02:49] <flint> rodarvus, I agree with Olli how do you boot them via the silly rf net?
[02:49] <ogra> you cant
[02:50] <ogra> there is no way to use wifi cards without having a kernel locally .... for ltsp at least
[02:50] <flint> ogra, I got to get one in the lab before I say can't.
[02:50] <ogra> if they dont have a real NIC it wont work ...
[02:50] <mhz> ogra: mainly 3 things: a) I got many requests for Bug reporting in spanish |  b) Edubuntu-Cl guys  would like to contribute with artwork related to Chile, as a way to motivate students and tearchers to jump in and join Edubuntu  |  c) Edubuntu-Cl is working on translations of ESA and Edubuntu.org
[02:50] <ogra> no point trying it :)
[02:51] <ogra> mhz, a has no solution in ubunt either, b use art.ubuntu.com, c should be covered by rosetta
[02:52] <flint> ogra, I still want one in my Lab :^)  would be cool!
[02:52] <rodarvus> I can read/undestand bug reports in spanish
[02:52] <ogra> sure ... but give up the idea of using them as thin clients :)
[02:52] <rodarvus> though I'd probably have to answer in english
[02:54] <mhz> ogra: a) they want to report in spanish (even via wiki) and have a trasnlation team make it into english  |  b) the idea was to be able to ship some artwork  (thus, encourage participation from schools via contests)  |  c) we are using wiki to do so, and we've been talking to highvoltage in order to place translation on the website (drupal)
[02:54] <ogra> well, b is likely a no fro CD space side 
[02:54] <ogra> *from
[02:54] <highvoltage> hmm
[02:55] <ogra> and ESA translatio should really happen through the transaltion teams in rosetta
[02:55] <ogra> thats what we have them for :)
[02:56] <ogra> mhz, how is a hadled now ? do we have a ton of spanish bugs in malone and you file new ones with an english description or something ? 
[02:56] <cbx33> rodarvus, sounds good
[02:57] <mhz> rodarvus: ogra: one of the biggest issues (at least in Chile) has been to encourage people to contribute to the projects. We have tons of users though. So, finally, I have been getting more committed hands and of course, i would not like them to leave. So, getting easier ways for them to report bugs, shipping artwrok, having them see thier work as "official"  is a good way to motivate.
[02:57] <mhz> ogra: iirc, we have zero bug reporting from people who dont write english
[02:58] <rodarvus> mhz, I agree
[02:58] <ogra> mhz, we had 20MB free in the beginning of the cycle ... 5 were used up right away by core changes ... 10 will be used by adding mono, f-spot and tomboy to main ... there is not much left
[02:58] <rodarvus> one suggestion is for us to make use of LOCO teams heavily in this case
[02:58] <rodarvus> is there an Ubuntu Chile LOCO team?
[02:58] <ajmitch> ogra: do you have to have mono, f-spot etc? can't they just go on the ubuntu cd only?
[02:59] <ajmitch> as useful as they may be
[02:59] <ogra> in any case translations should be handled by translation teams ... make the edubuntu-cl guys joind them
[02:59] <mhz> rodarvus: yup, but very informal still
[02:59] <ogra> ajmitch, not sure yet 
[02:59] <rodarvus> mhz, time to formalize it, then :)
[02:59] <ogra> ajmitch, its a matter of time i can invest into maintaining an alternative
[03:00] <ajmitch> true
[03:00] <ajmitch> we recounted, it'll be about 12MB for them
[03:00] <ogra> ajmitch, for now i have to compute sizes on the current situation 
[03:00] <mhz> rodarvus: yeah, that is why i want to bring ways to motivate them.
[03:00] <rodarvus> I'd like to spend some time studying the edubuntu seed (and also the ubuntu seed)
[03:00] <ogra> ideed its my first candidate for dropping
[03:00] <rodarvus> to check if there is some space we can reclaim there
[03:01] <rodarvus> anyhow
[03:01] <rodarvus> guys
[03:01] <rodarvus> we are seriously late with the meeting
[03:01] <ogra> rodarvus, not if we dont drop desktop parts we inherit from ubuntu
[03:01] <ogra> which would be uhmmm, unfortunately at least
[03:02] <ogra> but lets close now and move over to #edubuntu :)
[03:02] <rodarvus> I believe RichEd wanted to say something here
[03:02] <RichEd> okay : ogra can we make a time for the community issues you raised ?
[03:02] <ogra> ok
[03:02] <rodarvus> before the end of the meeting
[03:03] <RichEd> and ogra & rodarvus & mhz we seriously need a chat before i go to see sabdfl & silbs
[03:03] <mhz> okis
[03:03] <mhz> +1
[03:03] <rodarvus> agreed
[03:03] <RichEd> ogra: you said you wanted to chat about something ,. but offline
[03:04] <mhz> btw, when is next Edubuntu Council meeting? next wed?
[03:04] <RichEd> mhz: quick comment regarding the OLPC - Thai delay will push deadline 1 month back
[03:04] <ogra> aug 2nd
[03:05] <mhz> thx
[03:05] <rodarvus> RichEd, what is the new deadline, then?
[03:05] <RichEd> but still on track ... i am working on MOU.
[03:05] <RichEd> Feb 2007 ...
[03:05] <RichEd> when we have our 4 way chat, i can share more
[03:05] <mhz> cool
[03:05] <rodarvus> sure
[03:06] <mhz> RichEd: so far, just let me now when you want it and I'll do my best to make it
[03:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: stopped smoking?
[03:06] <RichEd> how is monday ?
[03:06] <ogra> argh ... the logbot is broken ... only zero byte logs
[03:06] <jsgotangco> mhz: :P
[03:06] <flint> ogra, I just got hold of a carton of BD's from Pakastan... A very nice smoke!!!
[03:07] <mhz> RichEd: monday should be my daughter's 1st day of school (in her life) ;)
[03:07] <ogra> nice !
[03:07] <RichEd> wow ... enjoy :)
[03:07] <RichEd> i'll pop a mail to the 3 for suggestions then
[03:07] <rodarvus> RichEd, you want a phone conference, or an irc meeting?
[03:07] <mhz> RichEd: ho about tomorrow? 12 UTC or earlier?
[03:07] <RichEd> IRC is easier. but we are overtime. will organise cvia mail.
[03:07] <flint> ogra, I look forward to splitting a few with you if you have a lighter.
[03:07] <mhz> .oO(oh, maybe too soon)
[03:07] <flint> :^)
[03:08] <rodarvus> we can try to go via Ekiga (using canonical voip service)
[03:08] <RichEd> 12 UTC friday ?
[03:08] <rodarvus> ok
[03:08] <RichEd> or earlier ?
[03:08] <mhz> 11 UTC?
[03:08] <RichEd> mhz: okay with me
[03:08] <mhz> rodarvus: ?
[03:09] <RichEd> rodarvus: ? ogra ? Fri 11 UTC ?
[03:09] <rodarvus> 11/12 utc is ok for me
[03:09] <RichEd> okay will confirm via mail.
[03:09] <mhz> okis
[03:09] <mhz> thc RichEd 
[03:09] <RichEd> i'm done here now.
[03:09] <ogra> RichEd, if they didt shut down the dsl in my old house yet (they are not supposed t but i dont trust them)
[03:09] <mhz> x
[03:10] <RichEd> okay.
[03:10] <flint> ogra, Ollie did you already move?  I am still in the middle of it!
[03:10] <RichEd> did anyone log this meeting locally & can send mail to me ?
[03:10] <ogra> flint, me too
[03:10] <ogra> flint, i'm about to pick up my truck ... 
[03:10] <mhz> RichEd: I will send it
[03:11] <flint> ogra, How come you Germans get to have all the fun?  I want a truck!
[03:11] <flint> :^)
[03:12] <rodarvus> any other topic someone would like to raise, or should this meeting be adjourned?
[03:12] <ogra> flint, rent one (costs me 100/day)
[03:12] <mhz> rodarvus: I have another topic but I can raise it on #edubuntu if ok
[03:13] <flint> ogra, I hate moving.  You will be down for days!
[03:13] <RichEd> going once
[03:13] <RichEd> going twice
[03:13] <ogra> flint, not as i do it ...
[03:13] <RichEd> meeting closed ... resume any threads in #edubuntu
[03:13] <flint> ogra, You scare me...  Have fun and watch your back!!!
[03:13] <ogra> (i'm moving since two months already ... its rather a soft migration than a move)
[03:14] <RichEd> thanks all ... would appreciate a log if someone has it
[03:14] <flint> off to #edubuntu.
[03:15] <rodarvus> mhz, sure, lets talk about it on #edubuntu
[03:15] <ogra> RichEd, as i said, the logbot is broken :/
[03:15] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html
[03:15] <ajmitch> ogra: no problem, I've got the log at least
[03:16] <ogra> cool !
[03:16] <ogra> would you mail it to me ? 
[03:17] <ajmitch> sure
[03:17] <ajmitch> just have to trim it down to the current meeting :)
[03:17] <RichEd> ajmitch: richard.edubuntu@gmail.com <- please thanks
[03:18] <ajmitch> ok, got it
[03:20] <ajmitch> hopefully the mail gets through ok :)
[03:20] <RichEd> tx.
[06:56] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:56] <neoxan> hi Seveas 
[09:04] <ogra> Seveas, ??
[09:04] <Seveas> ogra, a loser who is stalking me
[09:16] <ompaul> orga seveas is being polite
[09:17] <ogra> ompaul, i belive so ... i was just wondering why, but i trust Seveas sanity :)
[09:17] <Seveas> hmm -- don't do that too quickly
[09:17] <ompaul> hehe
[09:18] <fouadbajwa> hi guys, 
[09:18] <fouadbajwa> just needed a small bit of information
[09:20] <fouadbajwa> regarding "@ubuntu.com" member's email address how-to? 
[09:20] <ompaul> what info 
[09:20] <ompaul> do you need
[09:24] <rodarvus> Seveas, why don't you contact freenode administration to completely ban this guy from the network?
[09:24] <Seveas> rodarvus, they weren't awake
[09:24] <Seveas> working on that right now 
[09:24] <rodarvus> ok :)