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| LaserJock | hub: hehe | 12:08 |
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| pirast | good night guys.. and happy dreams about open sourced nvidia and ati drivers :-) | 12:12 |
| pirast | bye | 12:12 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, nice. OS X just wiped my mp3 player | 12:19 |
| fowlduck | LaserJock: iTunes did that on my brother's ipod | 12:23 |
| fowlduck | simply fantastic to lose all that music | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | well, mine is a sandisk and it shows up as a usbdisk | 12:23 |
| fowlduck | ??? | 12:23 |
| fowlduck | and it whiped it? | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | I didn't see any songs | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | so I dragged one on | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | and so now I have one song and nothing else | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | I had 1.9 GB on there | 12:24 |
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| zul | hey | 12:40 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal_: hi! | 01:23 |
| crimsun | how was the school session this noon (localtime)? | 01:23 |
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| LaserJock | crimsun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources | 01:32 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: right, but more of an intuitive assessment, not log :-) | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | I don't know, I missed it :( | 01:33 |
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| LaserJock | darn, we must be doing too much work. LP says there are 2698 pending builds :( | 01:57 |
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| === Yagisan-aWay is Away, Reason: ( Getting Medical Tests :( ) | Since: ( Monday, July 24, 2006. 23:20:39 ) Xlack v2.1 | ||
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| ryanakca | what! drats | 02:29 |
| ryanakca | I missed motu school | 02:29 |
| !lilo:*! If anyone is at OSCON and can locate Nat Torkington, please message me. Thanks. | 02:30 | |
| jsgotangco | that's fine you can always check the logs | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | ryanakca: there is another one in a couple days | 02:34 |
| ryanakca | :) | 02:34 |
| crimsun | err, there is? | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | isn't there? | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | well, more than a couple I guess | 02:35 |
| fowlduck | LaserJock: laserjock.justgotowned.com | 02:39 |
| fowlduck | LaserJock: fowlduck.youaremighty.com | 02:40 |
| fowlduck | crimsun: crimsun.youaremyfriend.com | 02:40 |
| fowlduck | hehe :) | 02:40 |
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| LaserJock | fowlduck: oh man | 02:42 |
| fowlduck | LaserJock: hilarious, huh? ;D | 02:42 |
| fowlduck | i mean, who comes up with this? | 02:42 |
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| LaserJock | fowlduck: people who have more time then me | 02:46 |
| fowlduck | indeed ;D | 02:47 |
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| lukaswayne9 | My packges that got uploaded from the REVU aren't working from universe... I get this error when I try to install E: Package fceu-server has no installation candidate | 03:21 |
| LaserJock | lukaswayne9: is it in the archives yet? | 03:23 |
| lukaswayne9 | LaserJock: I'll check | 03:23 |
| crimsun | in Edgy I see pool/universe/f/fceu | 03:24 |
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| lukaswayne9 | It was marked uploaded a week ago | 03:25 |
| crimsun | they're in the NEW queue | 03:25 |
| crimsun | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=fceu | 03:25 |
| crimsun | i.e., be patient and the admins will process them | 03:26 |
| lukaswayne9 | oh, okay great | 03:26 |
| lukaswayne9 | thanks | 03:26 |
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| mxpxpod | I'm using linux on powerpc and I tried installing sun-java5-jre and it's dependant on sun-java5-bin, but it doesn't look like that's available on powerpc... does someone have any insight as to why that is? | 03:28 |
| zul | does it work on powerpc? | 03:29 |
| mxpxpod | zul: why shouldn't it? | 03:29 |
| crimsun | because Sun doesn't make binaries of them available. | 03:29 |
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| crimsun | you should use IBM's 1.5 jdk instead. | 03:29 |
| mxpxpod | crimsun: where do I get that? | 03:29 |
| crimsun | mxpxpod: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html | 03:30 |
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| crimsun | mxpxpod: 32-bit iSeries/pSeries | 03:30 |
| mxpxpod | thanks | 03:31 |
| mxpxpod | will that run tomcat, do you think? | 03:31 |
| crimsun | yes, it will. | 03:31 |
| mxpxpod | cool | 03:31 |
| crimsun | well, I've tested 5.0 and 5.5, that is | 03:31 |
| mxpxpod | will tomcat work on kaffe? | 03:32 |
| crimsun | have not tried that. I was employed by IBM at the time, which is the only reason I know about it. | 03:32 |
| mxpxpod | heh, ok | 03:32 |
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| crimsun | I'd worry about privacy, but they already have my info :-) | 03:33 |
| mxpxpod | heh | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | hi | 03:35 |
| crimsun | hi | 03:35 |
| mxpxpod | ah, gotta love bugmenot.com | 03:36 |
| crimsun | :-) | 03:37 |
| mxpxpod | crimsun: if only someone would package this up | 03:38 |
| crimsun | it'd be a great candidate for dapper-commercial, true | 03:41 |
| mxpxpod | is ibm in on ubuntu? | 03:41 |
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| crimsun | I don't know tbh | 03:43 |
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| crimsun | I know some people who work at the RTP facility use and test Ubuntu, and IBM has contacted Ben about the ABAT process for the kernel | 03:44 |
| zul | i thought that was a while ago | 03:44 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:44 |
| crimsun | yeah, that's all I know :) | 03:44 |
| zul | yeah same here | 03:44 |
| mxpxpod | if only we could get ibm to contribute their java like sun has | 03:44 |
| mxpxpod | java sdk, rather | 03:45 |
| bddebian | Who wants java anything? :-) | 03:49 |
| mxpxpod | bddebian: not me... but some crazies out there do ;) | 03:49 |
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| son-of-bddebian | bddebian: what's up dude? | 03:51 |
| bddebian | Uh oh | 03:52 |
| bddebian | Hello son-of-bddebian :) | 03:53 |
| bddebian | What'd I do this time? | 03:53 |
| son-of-bddebian | hmm, maybe I should make it perminent | 03:53 |
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| LaserJock | ah, that's better ;-) | 03:54 |
| chillywilly | lalla | 04:25 |
| bddebian | Heya chillywilly | 04:28 |
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| chillywilly | http://rafb.net/paste/results/iC9aA456.html <-- gnome-settings-daemon keeps crashing in edgy...not sure why cause it starts up fine when I start it manually... | 04:50 |
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| Lathiat | ooh shiny | 05:23 |
| Lathiat | my dapper cds just rocked up | 05:23 |
| Lathiat | and they include stickers! | 05:23 |
| === StevenK is still waiting for his. | ||
| crimsun | nice :) | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: yeah, but we're in the far corner of the world. | 05:24 |
| StevenK | True. | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | so now my work has a nic new stock | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | i got all kubuntu, ubuntu and edubuntu | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | in 32/64/mac | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | and like COLORS! | 05:24 |
| Lathiat | not sure how i ended up with so many 64bit tho | 05:25 |
| Lathiat | looks liek they modified by order | 05:25 |
| Lathiat | would have rather they modified the 64bits down than the 32s | 05:25 |
| Lathiat | oh wel | 05:25 |
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| uniscript | I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone know which module populates /etc/X11/Xsession.d? | 05:36 |
| hub | Lathiat: I have all CD they ship | 05:37 |
| crimsun | it's not the right place, but a variety of packages do, namely x11-common, dbus, and xinit, among others. | 05:37 |
| Lathiat | hub: as do i | 05:38 |
| Lathiat | altho a small quantity of the less popular ones | 05:38 |
| Lathiat | but good to have a few | 05:38 |
| uniscript | when x is reinstalled, does that directory get blown away? If so, how does it get repopulated? | 05:38 |
| crimsun | uniscript: you --reinstall the packages I just mentioned | 05:38 |
| uniscript | crimsun: where should I take my question? | 05:38 |
| crimsun | to #ubuntu | 05:38 |
| uniscript | OK. Thanks. Bye | 05:38 |
| hub | I have package that didn't finish compile 1.5hour after I started | 05:38 |
| hub | *sigh* | 05:38 |
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| Hobbsee | hub: heh, i loe that happening | 05:39 |
| hub | time for bed | 05:39 |
| bddebian | Gnight hub | 05:41 |
| bddebian | *sigh* | 05:41 |
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| LaserJock | anybody got any lilo experience around here? | 05:51 |
| crimsun | yes, but not for anything terribly complicated | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | well I managed to install Dapper on the intel iMac | 05:53 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Are the smashintels still OF? | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | but it doesn't find my install on boot | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if I did something wrong with lilo | 05:53 |
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| Hobbsee | do you guys know about the volumeid bug yet? it's overwriting a file in libvolumeid0 | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | it is known | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | ack, thought i was in -devel | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | okay, cool. | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | someone needs to make the i386 buildd pedal faster | 07:08 |
| imbrandon_ | hehe | 07:08 |
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| viviersf | lol | 07:12 |
| viviersf | since ajmitch came up with that idea ..... | 07:12 |
| highvoltage | hi Hobbsee | 07:14 |
| Hobbsee | hi highvoltage | 07:14 |
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| ajmitch | viviersf: sadly I don't have access | 07:16 |
| viviersf | lol ajmitch | 07:16 |
| viviersf | was just joking nways | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: time to go and get it then. | 07:16 |
| ajmitch | sure, Hobbsee | 07:16 |
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| ajmitch | excellent, ccache is working in pbuilder | 07:29 |
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| Toadstool | good morning everybody | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | hi Toadstool | 08:06 |
| Toadstool | hi ajmitch | 08:06 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:23 |
| Toadstool | bonjour Daniel ;) | 09:23 |
| dholbach | hey Toadstool! | 09:23 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hi MOTU World | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | hello | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | hi dholbach, Toadstool, Gloubiboulga | 09:32 |
| Toadstool | heya Gloubiboulga, Hobbsee | 09:32 |
| dholbach | hey Gloubiboulga | 09:32 |
| dholbach | hey Hobbsee | 09:32 |
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| Arbiter | good morning MOTU | 12:28 |
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| Arbiter | Gloubiboulga: ping | 12:52 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi Arbiter | 12:52 |
| Arbiter | hey Gloubiboulga :) | 12:53 |
| Arbiter | Gloubiboulga: fixed and uploaded agave | 12:53 |
| Gloubiboulga | I've seen :) | 12:53 |
| Arbiter | kdocker is about to be uploaded | 12:53 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok, I'll look at both a little later | 12:53 |
| Arbiter | Gloubiboulga: in kdocker's debian/rules i put a little bit of bashism (damned Makefile) :P | 12:53 |
| Arbiter | (for installing the icon and the .desktop files to proper places) | 12:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | hum, you have to avoid bashisms | 12:54 |
| Arbiter | dh_install? | 12:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep | 12:54 |
| Arbiter | mh... ok :) | 12:55 |
| === Arbiter fixety fix! :D | ||
| Gloubiboulga | edgy uses dash now, so bashims make the packages fail to build | 12:55 |
| slomo_ | Gloubiboulga: are you sure it is used on the buildds already? afaik it isn't used there yet because the chroots are not updated yet | 12:56 |
| Arbiter | Gloubiboulga: yup but i use only standard POSIX calls | 12:57 |
| Gloubiboulga | slomo_, I don't really know but I guess it'll be used soon or later | 12:57 |
| Arbiter | (no {} or such things) | 12:57 |
| Gloubiboulga | Arbiter, oh, it's ok then | 12:57 |
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| chris^ | Hi | 01:36 |
| Arbiter | hi chris^ | 01:42 |
| chris^ | I have just the idear, that there shoud be an extra loginsession for XGL per default... | 01:42 |
| chris^ | if I install XGL on Edgy | 01:42 |
| chris^ | that woud be easy to switch and test XGL | 01:42 |
| Arbiter | yup | 01:42 |
| chris^ | someone sad, i shoud post this here ;) | 01:42 |
| Arbiter | chris^: yup i read in #ubuntu-devel :) | 01:43 |
| chris^ | :) | 01:43 |
| chris^ | i'm still testing XGL on Dapper | 01:43 |
| chris^ | it's quiet cool and very stable | 01:43 |
| Arbiter | chris^: i'm not a MOTU yet (nor an ubuntu member) | 01:43 |
| chris^ | just 2 or 3 little Bugs... | 01:43 |
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| Arbiter | chris^: i approve your idea :) | 01:46 |
| chris^ | :) | 01:46 |
| Arbiter | chris^: but i don't have any weight in MOTUs decisions | 01:49 |
| chris^ | well | 01:49 |
| chris^ | link to the discussion/posting? | 01:50 |
| Arbiter | chris^: i think you should ask a MOTU directly | 01:50 |
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| tseng | has something changed with langpacks? | 02:17 |
| tseng | $ urxvt | 02:17 |
| tseng | urxvt: the locale is not supported by Xlib, working without locale support. | 02:17 |
| tseng | I am using en_US.UTF8 or whatever | 02:17 |
| tseng | and language-pack-en* is installed | 02:17 |
| ajmitch | run locale-gen again? | 02:18 |
| tseng | sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales | 02:19 |
| tseng | I did that | 02:19 |
| tseng | to the same effect | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | that method is obsolete, supposedly | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | with the switch to belocs* | 02:19 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: it looks like Xlib forgot about a bunch of UTF8 locales | 02:19 |
| sladen | oh, is /tat/ what the locale spew is aobut | 02:20 |
| tseng | I am not sure if this is the cause of urxvt not using a sensible font | 02:20 |
| tseng | Rxvt*font:xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=12 | 02:21 |
| tseng | oh maybe they changed what names they match in xres again | 02:21 |
| tseng | ah there we go. | 02:22 |
| tseng | all sorted. | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | tseng: and the fix was? | 02:26 |
| tseng | Rxvt*blah stopped matching | 02:26 |
| tseng | so i did a regex to URxvt.foo: blah | 02:26 |
| tseng | er | 02:26 |
| tseng | .blah: foo | 02:26 |
| tseng | but you know what I mean. | 02:26 |
| tseng | and then your xrdb -all .Xdefaults | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | edgy upgrade just screwed up my emacs fonts, probably not related though | 02:27 |
| tseng | if they are set in xres its possible | 02:28 |
| tseng | parsing seems less lax | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | they're not on here | 02:28 |
| tseng | I'll happily ignore the UTF8 errors now | 02:28 |
| tseng | since its not the cause of not reading my fonts | 02:29 |
| tseng | I am fluent in "C" | 02:29 |
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| pirast | hi, i try to package blocxx. the source code has a dir "doc". should the files located in the dir installed to /usr/share/doc/....... or should they not? | 02:37 |
| ryanakca | I'm trying to package galaxymage... and I have a feeling its very simple to do so... since all I have to do is go "python GalaxyMage.py" in the source directory... except i'm not positive as to how to package it... (I'm used to the make style)... got a link anybody? | 02:45 |
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| pirast | ryanakca, yesterday i hit on a howto how to make python debs.. but sadly i can find the link again, you may want to look for debhelper-python | 02:56 |
| ryanakca | kk, ty | 02:57 |
| ryanakca | pirast: just a quick thought... history? | 02:58 |
| pirast | ryanakca wait, i look if i can find it there.. | 02:58 |
| ryanakca | :) | 02:59 |
| pirast | ryanakca okay i found it.. but it was about build debian packages with perl modules.. sorry.. i remembered wrong | 03:00 |
| pirast | *building | 03:00 |
| ryanakca | lol, thanks anywais :) | 03:01 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:51 |
| Toadstool | hi bddebian | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 03:58 |
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| Gloubiboulga | bddebian, I have to leave for a couple of hours, let's see what we can do with prismstumbler when I'm back :) | 04:10 |
| bddebian | Gloubiboulga: NP, thanks | 04:13 |
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| bddebian | *sigh* | 04:26 |
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| Arbiter | yaaawn | 04:28 |
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| zul | cd /var/qmail/bin | 04:30 |
| zul | damn it | 04:30 |
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| seaLne | is revu broken? | 05:06 |
| seaLne | Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer | 05:06 |
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| ryanakca | seaLne: you trying to upload or download? | 05:18 |
| pirast | is a revu admin in this channel? | 05:18 |
| ryanakca | upload I take it... "Could not create file" | 05:18 |
| seaLne | upload | 05:18 |
| ryanakca | dput it :) | 05:19 |
| seaLne | thats what generates the error... | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | pirast: yes | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | seaLne: what package? | 05:19 |
| ryanakca | lol... oops.. (I thought you where using something like gftp or something) | 05:19 |
| seaLne | ajmitch: kmobiletools, you able to see log? | 05:19 |
| pirast | ajmitch: whats his name? | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | seaLne: cleared it, try again | 05:20 |
| Toadstool | pirast: it's ajmitch :) | 05:20 |
| seaLne | ajmitch: what was wrong? | 05:20 |
| ryanakca | ajmitch: can you reset my revu password? the "retreive password" python script doesn't work for me :) | 05:20 |
| ajmitch | seaLne: the files were there.. if an upload breaks partway through they need to be deleted | 05:20 |
| ajmitch | ryanakca: have you uploaded a package to revu, that appears on the page? | 05:21 |
| seaLne | ah | 05:21 |
| ryanakca | yes, typespeed | 05:21 |
| pirast | ajmitch, nice to meet you again :-) i select blocxx to package and i finished now. so i uploaded to revu - but the password recovery function does not work. there always is a broken pipe error or there does not appear any text to paste.. | 05:21 |
| ryanakca | two uploads of it (two different versions) | 05:21 |
| ryanakca | same thing happens to me :) | 05:21 |
| ajmitch | does the key you use have that email address as a uid? | 05:22 |
| ryanakca | yes | 05:22 |
| pirast | ajmitch, sure.. | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | pirast: have you been accepted into the group on launchpad, and your key imported into revu? | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | ok, I see what the problem is for retrieving, at least | 05:24 |
| pirast | ajmitch: i think so, yes.. it shows "approved", and my key is in launchpad, too.. | 05:24 |
| pirast | ajmitch: great :-) | 05:24 |
| ajmitch | be patient, I'm reimporting keys | 05:25 |
| seaLne | did revu not used to have a last generated date on it somewhere? | 05:29 |
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| ajmitch | ok, blocxx & kmobiletools should be up now | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | try retrieving passwords | 05:31 |
| ryanakca | ajmitch: works, ty | 05:32 |
| seaLne | thanks | 05:32 |
| pirast | ajmitch: works, thanks | 05:33 |
| ryanakca | what package provides gnome-config? "./configure: line 1479: gnome-config: command not found" | 05:37 |
| azeem | ryanakca: that's some GNOME-1.x thing | 05:38 |
| azeem | AFAIK | 05:38 |
| ryanakca | and how do I build a package that depends on it? | 05:39 |
| azeem | are you sure you want to build it? | 05:39 |
| ryanakca | well... it's the only linux euchre game I've found :) | 05:39 |
| azeem | GNOME-1.x is pretty obsolete | 05:39 |
| azeem | but, surprise, libgnome-dev is still in dapper | 05:40 |
| azeem | ryanakca: packages.ubuntu.com has a search facility, btw (which I used to find out the information for you) | 05:40 |
| ryanakca | ah, ty.. I had searched aptitude :) | 05:40 |
| azeem | aptitude doesn't search for files, use apt-file for that | 05:40 |
| ryanakca | ty | 05:41 |
| ryanakca | http://sourceforge.net/projects/euchre/ | 05:41 |
| ryanakca | hasn't been touched since 02... but oh well | 05:42 |
| ryanakca | azeem: any ideas? | 05:44 |
| azeem | about what? | 05:44 |
| azeem | Development Status : 3 - Alpha | 05:45 |
| bddebian | azeem!! Hey, you are Mr. Science packages right? :-) | 05:45 |
| azeem | bddebian: I'm Mr. Chemistry packages | 05:45 |
| bddebian | Damn | 05:45 |
| ryanakca | azeem: I can't install libgnome-dev without removing libdb4.3.dev... http://pastebin.ca/100936 | 05:49 |
| azeem | ryanakca: so make a decision which one you need more urgently | 05:50 |
| ryanakca | which means that the end-user will have to make the same decision | 05:50 |
| azeem | does euchre need db4.3? | 05:50 |
| ryanakca | and libdb4.3 and libdb3 can't coexist? | 05:50 |
| ryanakca | hmmm... not from what I can tell | 05:51 |
| azeem | ryanakca: the runtime libdb package do not conflict | 05:53 |
| ryanakca | soo... why can't I keep both? | 05:53 |
| azeem | because the development packages conflict | 05:54 |
| ryanakca | ok... | 05:54 |
| azeem | ryanakca: are you planning to make a .deb out of this | 05:55 |
| azeem | ? | 05:55 |
| ryanakca | yes... but before I want to test it... | 05:55 |
| ryanakca | but I don't think making a .deb of it will be such a good idea | 05:55 |
| ryanakca | ok... figured it out... it's a choice between apache and euchre... I installed apache from source, so I'm fine :) | 05:58 |
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| ogra | quidam--aWay, please turn off public away messages in ubuntu channels | 07:41 |
| quidam--aWay | ogra, sorry | 07:42 |
| ogra | np :) | 07:42 |
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| allee | raphink: after last week end you're are an FAI expert, right? | 10:13 |
| allee | uh, wrong channel, sorry | 10:13 |
| raphink | haha | 10:13 |
| raphink | well I'm much better at it for sure | 10:13 |
| ogra | allee, why ? fai is in universe ;) | 10:14 |
| allee | ogra: need to find out if fai fits my needs ;) | 10:14 |
| raphink | allee: what are your needs? | 10:14 |
| allee | raphink: automtic install of independet hosts (no nfs), with later management of config files | 10:15 |
| === allee plays currently with preseeding to speed up installation | ||
| raphink | then FAI/Cfengine is what you need indeed | 10:16 |
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| allee | ah, cool I remembers from long time ago that it used nfs | 10:16 |
| raphink | yes | 10:16 |
| raphink | it uses nfs for the PXE boot | 10:16 |
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| ogra | preseeding should suffice as well, at least in ubuntu ... | 10:17 |
| allee | raphink: eh? So instead of mounting, e.g. a CDROM, it mount something like an installation image via nfs? | 10:18 |
| raphink | well no | 10:19 |
| raphink | it boots the client using the NFS root | 10:19 |
| raphink | delivered through PXE boot | 10:19 |
| raphink | the client boots with PXE, gets a kernel and a minimal boot environement on the NFS root | 10:19 |
| raphink | then it declares classes using the FAI client | 10:19 |
| raphink | and then the FAI server sends it packages to install depending on the classes it declared | 10:20 |
| raphink | then you can run scripts for config and such (perl, bash, cfengine, whatever) | 10:20 |
| raphink | and you can use the classes defined in the FAI to pass to cfengine or to other scripts | 10:20 |
| allee | ah, so cfengine is not an integrated part | 10:21 |
| raphink | well you add cfengine scripts to FAI | 10:21 |
| raphink | so they are run as part of the FAI install | 10:22 |
| allee | k | 10:22 |
| raphink | then you can use softupdate to update your machines | 10:22 |
| raphink | and fai-updater as a nice centralized tool for that | 10:22 |
| ogra | well, you can as well do the same with a simple preseed file ... wthere is the advantage of fai here ? | 10:23 |
| raphink | ogra: how do you mean? | 10:23 |
| allee | ogra: did type faster than me :) | 10:23 |
| raphink | what is preseeding? | 10:23 |
| ogra | raphink, i can replace the complete fai class stuff with a preseed file ... | 10:23 |
| allee | raphink: what's the advantage of FAI+cfengine combo compared to preseed+cfengine | 10:23 |
| raphink | what is preseed? | 10:24 |
| ogra | raphink, ubuntus way to do mass deployments :) | 10:24 |
| raphink | how so? | 10:24 |
| ogra | preseed means that debconf allows you to set key value pairs for every debian package (including d-i) | 10:24 |
| allee | ogra: you use preseeding? | 10:24 |
| ogra | we use per package preseeding in ltsp ... which i maintain | 10:25 |
| ogra | and i use a preseed file for the edubuntu CD | 10:25 |
| raphink | ogra: I don't see how that allows to install tuned machines via PXE | 10:25 |
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| azeem | ogra: how do you select the set of packages to install on a particular box? | 10:25 |
| raphink | hi azeem | 10:25 |
| azeem | hi | 10:25 |
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| ogra | raphink, what exactly do you tune ? package selections and configs, no ? | 10:25 |
| allee | raphink: pxe -> netboot.tar -> log preseed file -> stops debconf to ask question | 10:25 |
| allee | s/log/load/ | 10:25 |
| ogra | azeem, with an individual preseed file ? | 10:26 |
| raphink | ogra: yes, depending on static and dynamic classes, that can be defined by scripts | 10:26 |
| allee | hi azeem | 10:26 |
| raphink | allee: you can only install one type of machines with that | 10:26 |
| raphink | or do I misunderstand how it works? | 10:26 |
| raphink | with FAI, there is not one file describing the packages to be installed | 10:27 |
| raphink | there are multiple classes | 10:27 |
| allee | raphink: no, I use postinstall scripts to do anything special (depending on hostname) | 10:27 |
| raphink | that can define which packages to install depending on the belonging to groups, arch, type of network card or whatever else | 10:27 |
| raphink | it also defines how to partition the drives | 10:28 |
| raphink | allee: so you have to modify the packages | 10:28 |
| azeem | the question is whether you really need that flexibility for your needs | 10:28 |
| raphink | azeem: yes indeed | 10:28 |
| allee | raphink: right so classes reduce overhead. But AFAIR cfengine uses the classes concept too | 10:28 |
| azeem | allee probably installs a set of identical boxen | 10:28 |
| raphink | I personally do, for my pool of machines | 10:28 |
| raphink | allee: yes, and taht's the good point, FAI can forward its classes to the cfengine scripts | 10:28 |
| raphink | so that you only define the classes once | 10:29 |
| raphink | allee: cfengine won't let you install packages depending on the classes though | 10:29 |
| raphink | and one important thing for me: cfengine only executes commands on the client, not on the server | 10:29 |
| raphink | so if you want to generate conf depending on parameters on the server side | 10:29 |
| raphink | it's better to have FAI run some perl/bash/python/php script before it runs the cfengine one that will merely deploy the generated conf | 10:30 |
| raphink | but then as azeem said it depends on your needs | 10:30 |
| raphink | whether you need a pool of identical machines | 10:30 |
| raphink | or very similar | 10:30 |
| raphink | or you need a pool with 1000 machines belonging to at least 10 different classes | 10:31 |
| raphink | and then FAI is very useful | 10:31 |
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| allee | ~ 80 hosts ~ 5 classes, of dozend of different hardware ;) | 10:31 |
| raphink | I'd got with FAI for that still allee | 10:32 |
| raphink | all the more that you can use softupdate afterwards on these machines | 10:32 |
| raphink | preseeds will only allow you to install the machines once | 10:32 |
| raphink | not to keep them up-to-date later | 10:32 |
| ogra | nope | 10:32 |
| raphink | with packages that is | 10:32 |
| raphink | unless you use package tricks in cfengine | 10:32 |
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| ogra | it will also help you doing the complete setup | 10:33 |
| kmilo | Hi | 10:33 |
| raphink | like module:pkginstall | 10:33 |
| allee | raphink: how are post install updates handles. E.g. all hosts should have pkg x + y now too and pkg z not anymore? | 10:33 |
| raphink | allee: from what I know, you change the list of packages by classes | 10:33 |
| raphink | and run softupdates | 10:33 |
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| raphink | haven't really experimented with this side yet | 10:34 |
| ogra | well, i'd rather preseed cron-apt to run daily and do the update itself ;) | 10:34 |
| allee | 'k can I alter support dapper and edgy from same FAI server or do I need a now one | 10:34 |
| allee | +? | 10:34 |
| raphink | then you can also do some kind of cfemerge like they did in my company ;) | 10:34 |
| raphink | deploying the sources with cfengine and building them with the shellcommands ;) | 10:34 |
| raphink | ogra: then you don't know what it installs when it performs upgrades | 10:35 |
| raphink | most sysadmins don't want that | 10:35 |
| ogra | it updates whats available | 10:35 |
| raphink | they want to know exactly what is installed and what it might impact | 10:35 |
| allee | ogra: ah, right: preseeding pkgs (after installation). How this done? | 10:35 |
| ogra | so i let mail apt-listchanges the changes to me | 10:35 |
| raphink | and manually choose to perform security updates or not | 10:35 |
| ogra | but i have a lot less work | 10:35 |
| raphink | hmm | 10:36 |
| ogra | allee, with a preseed file you set key/value pairs for debconf options | 10:36 |
| === allee check apt-get for preseedfile option | ||
| ogra | ubuntu even has a gui to create such a file for the installer ;) | 10:38 |
| ogra | system-config-kickstart ;) | 10:38 |
| allee | ogra: this kickstart derivative? | 10:38 |
| ogra | its really only the glade file from kickstart ;) | 10:38 |
| ogra | the backend produces a preseed file for netinstalls and the like | 10:39 |
| allee | ogra: does it now support all preseed options? In middle of dapper devel cycle it didn't | 10:39 |
| ogra | allee, no idea, i never used it, but i guess it does ... Kamion maintains it ... | 10:40 |
| allee | 'k | 10:40 |
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| raphink | I'm sure I don't need preseed now :) | 10:42 |
| raphink | although I reckon it's a simple way to install identical machines | 10:42 |
| allee | ogra: about preseeding pkgs: Is there a tool to merge a pkg preseed file into /var/cache/debconf/config.dat ? | 10:42 |
| allee | raphink: I have a more closer look to fai | 10:44 |
| raphink | mhm | 10:44 |
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| crimsun | woot, a Breaks field for dpkg | 10:48 |
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| LaserJock | crimsun: yeah, I don't quite get what that means | 10:54 |
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| allee | crimsun: Breaks field? | 10:57 |
| crimsun | allee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageDependencyFieldBreaks | 10:57 |
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| shawarma | I've got another merge, if there are any takers: http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/mail-notification-merge.diff | 11:02 |
| crimsun | sure, give me a sec | 11:03 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Oh sure, help everyone but me with axiom.. ;-P | 11:04 |
| shawarma | bddebian: What's the problem? | 11:06 |
| bddebian | shawarma: It's ugly :-) | 11:06 |
| shawarma | bddebian: The merge? | 11:06 |
| bddebian | shawarma: It FTBFSs I can fix the C generated errors but it stops building one of the object files and I can't figure out why | 11:07 |
| shawarma | bddebian: gimme a sec, I'll just download it. | 11:07 |
| bddebian | shawarma: It's 40Mb of source :-) | 11:08 |
| shawarma | bddebian: Yeah.. and merges.ubuntu.com isn't the fastest host in the world, apparantly. | 11:08 |
| shawarma | bddebian: I've got 100Mbit/s, so it's not my end that's slow. :-) | 11:09 |
| bddebian | shawarma: Just pull it from packages.qa.debian.org :-) | 11:09 |
| shawarma | bddebian: Nah.. I'll rather wait a little using grab-merge.sh than have to do stuff manually. I'm a lazy bastard, you know. | 11:09 |
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| bddebian | shawarma: The merge will be useless | 11:12 |
| shawarma | bddebian: Oh, well. At least I got the source I need. | 11:13 |
| shawarma | bddebian: The previous merge seems to consist of a s!/usr/X11R6!/usr!g ... And that doesn't do the trick now? | 11:15 |
| allee | crimsun: why can debian think positive and use Requires: x (>> whatever) instead of Breaks: xy (<<whatever) ;) | 11:16 |
| bddebian | shawarma: Try it if you like | 11:16 |
| shawarma | bddebian: Will do as soon as the download finishes.. Sheesh! | 11:17 |
| bddebian | shawarma: Your first problem is going to be build-depping on xfree86-common :-) | 11:18 |
| shawarma | bddebian: Oh... | 11:19 |
| shawarma | bddebian: I see now why you call it ugly. :-) | 11:22 |
| shawarma | bddebian: Complete with CVS directories and everything. | 11:23 |
| bddebian | Oh and upstream has been dead for almost 2 years too :-) | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | oh, I was just going to ask you what the current upstream version was | 11:24 |
| shawarma | The clean target of debian/rules tries to build a bunch of stuff.. Madness all around. | 11:26 |
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| hub | I have uploaded a new version of hugin | 11:26 |
| hub | that has a better licensing for vigrA | 11:27 |
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| hub | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2797 <- new hugin version with licensing issues fixed | 11:34 |
| hub | can anyone review it? | 11:34 |
| hub | please | 11:34 |
| crimsun | hub: you said you've already uploaded it? | 11:37 |
| hub | crimsun: it got rejected for licensing issues | 11:38 |
| hub | crimsun: upstream addressed them | 11:38 |
| hub | libvigra was non-free | 11:38 |
| hub | now it is MIT-style | 11:38 |
| allee | hub: you have to include LICENSE_JHEAD in copyright | 11:38 |
| hub | allee: it is in there | 11:38 |
| allee | hub: just two paragraphs? cool ;) | 11:39 |
| hub | yeah | 11:39 |
| hub | the license file is also in the package | 11:39 |
| bddebian | Ack, I gotta go home. Later folks | 11:40 |
| crimsun | libgtk2.0-dev is pulled in by libwxgtk2.6-dev | 11:40 |
| allee | hub then remove (see * file). Everything has to be in copyright or /usr/share/common-licenses/ | 11:40 |
| allee | hub: notify upstead that they use of FSF address | 11:41 |
| bddebian | shawarma: I will probably be back on in a couple of hours if you haven't given up by then ;-) | 11:41 |
| hub | allee: copyright has everything | 11:41 |
| hub | allee: both non-standard license | 11:41 |
| hub | I'll set that square more deeply | 11:42 |
| crimsun | hub: any reason for dh_compat 4? | 11:42 |
| hub | crimsun: legacy I suspect | 11:42 |
| hub | what does 5 provide? | 11:42 |
| hub | I can upgrade, not a problem | 11:42 |
| crimsun | hub: important is probably the changed semantics of dh_strip | 11:43 |
| allee | hub: yep. I understand but the '(see xxxx file)' seem to indicate that there is more. So I suggest to remove it or replace it with Copy of xxx file: | 11:43 |
| crimsun | hub: it's not critical to use v5 if you don't wish | 11:43 |
| hub | allee: yeah, I get it | 11:43 |
| hub | I should put the vigra copyright | 11:44 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Thanks for reviewing and uploading my merge. | 11:46 |
| crimsun | if you're going to upload a new source package, I'd adjust debian/c{hangelog,ontrol} | 11:46 |
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| crimsun | and debian/compat | 11:46 |
| crimsun | shawarma: np | 11:47 |
| hub | crimsun: ok | 11:49 |
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| ryanakca | are there any easy to package packages that need packaging? (nothing too complicated... just to get me used to packaging... I've done typespeed allready... ) | 12:03 |
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| crimsun | well, probably. | 12:06 |
| zul | hi crimsun | 12:06 |
| crimsun | hi zul | 12:06 |
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