[12:35] <mhb> I think I'm going to go to sleep early today :o) Goodnight
[02:15] <Riddell> toma: ping
[02:18] <freeflying> morning all  :)
[02:19] <Riddell> morning freeflying 
[02:19] <freeflying> Riddell: hi  :)
[02:27] <imbrandon> moins freeflying 
[02:27] <imbrandon> and Riddell  ;)
[02:28] <freeflying> imbrandon: hi
[03:20] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:32] <Riddell> anyone want to package the new kwin-style-crystal?
[03:33] <Riddell> kde-apps.org if you do, I'm off to sleep :)
[03:36] <bddebian> Gnight Riddell
[05:57] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yo
[05:58] <nixternal> yo yo yo
[08:28] <freeflying> has anyone used dak(debian archive kit/?
[08:34] <uniq> i use mini-dinstall :)
[08:34] <uniq> dak has always been overkill for my needs.
[08:35] <freeflying> uniq: how about mini-dinstall
[08:36] <uniq> mini-dinstall is OK. not very advanced though.
[08:36] <uniq> easy to setup and use.
[08:37] <uniq> did you look at 'debarchiver' ? 
[08:37] <freeflying> uniq: I nned a auto-archive
[08:39] <uniq> auto-archive? - i think all the tools we're talking about expects you to upload packages into a incoming directory, and then the tool is run from cron and moves the files into it's place in the archive directory structure.
[08:39] <freeflying> also the source shall be build in at least on arch
[08:39] <uniq> so.. all you have to do is to upload things to a incoming directory.. and whatever archive manager you choose, you can have it run periodically.
[08:39] <uniq> ahh.. 
[08:39] <uniq> you want a buildd too.
[08:40] <freeflying> yep
[08:42] <uniq> then i would suggest http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/setting-up and http://kmuto.jp/open.cgi?buildd 
[08:43] <freeflying> thanks
[08:43] <uniq> no problem. Have to go to work. see you.
[08:43] <freeflying> bye
[09:06] <RichJ> anybody have display issues at all with edgy?
[09:10] <RichJ> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/screen.png
[09:17] <abattoir> RichJ: upto-date edgy?
[09:17] <RichJ> yes
[09:19] <RichJ> well, i guess not, i just did apt-get update and found updates
[09:19] <RichJ> hmm..adept notifier didn't tell me until i did that either
[09:25] <RichJ> !pastebin
[09:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:27] <RichJ> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18989
[09:27] <RichJ> any ideas?
[09:47] <RichJ> one good thing about irssi, you don't need Xwindows
[09:48] <RichJ> well, that upgraded killed ATI drivers
[10:31] <RichJ> ABI error (0)..XInput
[10:31] <RichJ> then something about ati not matching something
[11:08] <seaLne> are the 354 packages safe enough to use on my work machine?
[11:08] <hungerW> seaLne: If you do not mind the occaisional arts-crash-popup.
[11:09] <hungerW> seaLne: So far I have not noticed any major regression apart from that.
[11:09] <seaLne> weird:
[11:09] <seaLne> Calculating upgrade...Failed
[11:09] <seaLne> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[11:09] <seaLne>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb: Conflicts: openoffice.org-core (>= 2.0.3) but 2.0.3-3ubuntu3 is to be installed
[11:09] <seaLne>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-za: Conflicts: openoffice.org-core (>= 2.0.3) but 2.0.3-3ubuntu3 is to be installed
[11:09] <seaLne> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[11:14] <seaLne> not sure why i had -za anyway
[11:40] <seaLne> bah my fonts all changed size again
[11:48] <seaLne> hmm 75dpi
[11:55] <seaLne> what resolution do other people have?
[11:56] <haggai> seaLne: I guess you get those conflicts because those openoffice.org-l10n-* packages are for a previous OOo version, and need to be upgraded together with the core OOo packages
[11:57] <seaLne> yeah probably
[11:57] <haggai> seaLne: which tool did you use to start the upgrade?
[11:57] <seaLne> apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:57] <seaLne> i removed those 2 but still can't get OOo to upgrade
[11:58] <Riddell> seaLne: do you have the latest dpkg?
[11:58] <haggai> oh, odd. What happens if you 'apt-get install openoffice.org-core' ?
[11:58] <Riddell> hi haggai 
[11:58] <Riddell> I was wonding if doko was using the new Breaks: field
[11:58] <haggai> Riddell: how did LUGradio go? I was plannig on going but we've been pretty busy with our new baby
[11:59] <Riddell> oh, congratulations
[11:59] <Riddell> it went well, lots of geeks including lots of kubuntu users
[11:59] <seaLne> haggai: http://pastebin.ca/102099
[11:59] <haggai> Riddell: thanks
[12:00] <haggai> doko says he hasn't used Breaks at all
[12:01] <haggai> seaLne: that's a bug in the packaging
[12:01] <seaLne> yeah
[12:01] <seaLne> known?
[12:01] <haggai> dunno yet. It's the first I've seen of it
[12:01] <haggai> a file conflict will always be a bug, though
[12:02] <abattoir> X is broken for anyone after the latest edgy updates?
[12:02] <seaLne> abattoir: my fonts are small if that counts
[12:03] <abattoir> seaLne: did you reboot after the update?
[12:03] <seaLne> restarted X
[12:03] <abattoir> oh ok :)
[12:03] <abattoir> it fails to load the video module.. at least for me
[12:03] <abattoir> nixternal complained of something similar
[12:04] <seaLne> i try to avoid reboots as they involve me kicking and swearing at my machine to get it t turn on properly :)
[12:04] <abattoir> :P
[12:07] <haggai> black: 11:06 < doko> ohh, nice. well, just remove the help for now
[12:07] <haggai> no not black
[12:07] <haggai> seaLne: ^
[12:08] <haggai> seaLne: or you could use dpkg --force-overwrite
[12:08] <seaLne> yeah, i'll just ignore it just now
[12:10] <seaLne> bah abattoir has gone i was about to say that i didn't actually have the latest xorg and that now i only have one head and missing fonts/text in dialogs
[12:34] <_Sime> Riddell: I got a fair chunk of the new syssettings structure implemented last night. I like it.
[12:36] <Riddell> wow, you rock _Sime :)
[12:37] <Riddell> got any screenshots?
[12:40] <_Sime> Riddell: it is not that far yet.
[12:40] <_Sime> Riddell: there is still a lot to do. ...like hacking the s-s C++ code.
[12:40] <_Sime> Riddell: I've just done some of the structure.
[12:40] <_Sime> Riddell: there are also a number of label changes that need to be done.
[12:41] <_Sime> Riddell: I'm not sure if we should change the labels (read: *.desktop files) or copy the *.desktop files and then modify them.
[12:41] <_Sime> Riddell: "User account" becomes "My account" or something.
[12:45] <Riddell> patching .desktop files is a pain, and should be avoided if possible
[12:47] <_Sime> ok, so I should just copy the *.desktop files taht I need and rename/edit them, and try to keep them out of the normal kcontrol?
[12:54] <Riddell> yeah, I'd say so
[12:54] <_Sime> keeping them out of kcontrol should not be too hard.
[01:13] <seaLne> weird its just kde programs that i have lost all text in
[01:17] <Riddell> erk
[01:23] <seaLne> fine with 354 until i restarted with the latest xorg
[02:10] <mornfall> seaLne: nvidia crap?
[02:11] <mornfall> xorg 7.1 and nvidia binary drivers don't work together
[02:11] <seaLne> nvidia is working (with no fonts) random pci isn't at all
[02:12] <seaLne> mornfall: thanks i'll prod about and see if that is the problem
[02:12] <mornfall> well, no fonts is a fairly fatal flaw in my world :)
[02:12] <seaLne> yeah :)
[02:13] <mornfall> you will have to go beg nvidia for support, i guess
[02:13] <mornfall> if you want any
[02:13] <mornfall> intel works fine, as usual ;-) *hides*
[02:14] <mornfall> (even with aiglx)
[02:18] <seaLne> can you actually buy intel cards as apposed to onboard?
[02:18] <mornfall> no
[02:18] <seaLne> yeah thats what i thought :(
[02:18] <mornfall> well, i don't think you can, anyway
[02:22] <seaLne> which is the binary nvidia and which is the non one? nvidia == propriatory, nv == free?
[02:23] <mornfall> yes
[02:23] <seaLne> nv dosen't work atall
[02:23] <mornfall> do you have right version of that?
[02:23] <mornfall> from 7.1
[02:23] <mornfall> and what card
[02:24] <seaLne> its rebooting, gimmie a min
[02:25] <seaLne> gah the machine won't turn on now i give up, lunch time
[02:25] <mornfall> i'm wondering what are ubuntu people smoking to ship binary nvidia driver
[02:25] <mornfall> seaLne: enjoy lunch
[02:25] <seaLne> sabdfl says its a compromise
[02:26] <seaLne> and they are done in a sneaky way, to not be distributing them
[02:44] <Riddell> toma: could you synk p.k.nl?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hi all!  i'm back!  :D
[03:03] <pygi> wb Hobbsee (autojoin !!! :P)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hi pygi!
[03:09] <Hobbsee> psst... Riddell... you around?
[03:14] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how's kde 3.5.4 doing?
[03:14] <Riddell> happily compiling away
[03:15] <Riddell> woo!
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, so it's not finished yet.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:15] <Riddell> edgy packages for testing if you're up for it
[03:15] <Riddell> well, dunno if your bandwidth will be up for it
[03:15] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde354/ main ./
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: tomorrow... :P
[03:15] <Hobbsee> okay
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: first stop kubuntu, then ubuntu, then the world.  how's that sound to you?
[03:17] <Riddell> I'm just stopping at Kubuntu, I don't need anything else :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh...so you want me to take over kubuntu?
[03:17] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse!
[03:18] <Riddell> oh, the wiki ssl got fixed
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: YAY!!!!!
[03:19] <jjesse> so no more prompts?
[03:19] <Riddell> thought that would make you happy
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it does, it does :D
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: holy sugar it even works!
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are there supposed to be many changes there yet?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> looks to be only kaffeine based stuff.
[03:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: changes where?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry, kde 3.5.4 stuff - seems that there are only updates for kaffeine, kde-guidance, etc.
[03:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I think I should be constitutional monarch and you can be the First Minister who wields the real power
[03:33] <Riddell> 3.5.4 isn't uploaded yet
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehehe.  so you're the one that all the bugs get assigned to?
[03:33] <Riddell> we need testers, then if it's not broken we need to ask for UVF exception
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, of course.  i added the extra repo, then tried.  i'm just thinking that there's not much there
[03:35] <Riddell> there's a whole new KDE there
[03:35] <Hobbsee> ah, repo didnt go in properly.  or something.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde354/dists/main/.//binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Reading package lists... Done
[03:35] <Riddell> try  deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde354/ ./
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: whee!  that looks better!
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Current Usage:   	8875.80 MB
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[03:40] <Hobbsee> HAH!  there's lots less bandwith used when i'm not here...
[03:41] <Riddell> actually slug is on tonight, in Glasgow
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: uh, what's your slug?
[03:42] <Riddell> the blasphemously titled Scottish LUG
[03:42] <Riddell> the founders felt they had to get one up on Edinburgh LUG
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh...right.
[03:46] <seaLne> scotlug was formed before edlug
[03:46] <seaLne> at the time it was setup there were hardly any lugs
[03:47] <Riddell> clearly they felt people would travel from Kirkcudbright and Thurso just to be at ScotLUG :)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:52] <seaLne> we have had people come from dundee
[03:53] <Riddell> that's only because I stopped organising Dundee LUG
[03:53] <seaLne> and glint
[03:59] <bddebian> Hello
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian!
[04:10] <seaLne> i think i prefer the spinning gear in the kde logo that konq in debian has
[04:11] <Riddell> that's the KDE default
[04:11] <Riddell> but I like being able to recognise kubuntu in screenshots
[04:12] <kwwii> is the wiki down?
[04:13] <kwwii> forget that, it loaded (took 5 minutes though)
[04:15] <pygi> :P
[04:16] <kwwii> Riddell: someone worked on a new throbber...can think who right now though
[04:17] <kwwii> basically it would be the kubuntu logo spinning but you only see part of it (ie, the top left corner)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii :)
[04:18] <kwwii> the problem with using the whole logo is that it is too big for such small sizes (it always ends up looking like it does now)
[04:18] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[05:02] <nixternal> (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[05:02] <nixternal> that is my xserver-xorg error after edgy updates
[05:02] <Hobbsee> oops.
[05:02] <abattoir> nixternal: i get that too :)
[05:02] <nixternal> ATI rage 2 mobile piece of junk lappy ;)
[05:02] <nixternal> ahh, so im not the only one ;)
[05:02] <abattoir> nixternal: i guess its a problem w/ X
[05:02] <nixternal> did you fix it abattoir
[05:03] <abattoir> nixternal: nope :(
[05:03] <nixternal> grrr
[05:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, X broke.
[05:03] <abattoir> nixternal: i have a SiS card and it failed to load that module
[05:03] <nixternal> im gonna have to put dapper on this lappy..i have to use it for presentation tonight ;)
[05:03] <abattoir> nixternal: i tried switching bat to vesa, but that didnt help either
[05:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: why not dual boot it?
[05:03] <nixternal> i just tried vesa right now..same error
[05:04] <pygi> Hobbsee, see? I do bug after all :P
[05:04] <Hobbsee> pygi: nah...
[05:04] <Hobbsee> pygi: i have a couple of people on my hate list - you certainly arent one.
[05:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i really can't answer that one ;)  i hate to reboot and what not, and this lappy i use for testing mainly...so i never dual booted it...maybe if i get a new hard drive for it today then i will
[05:04] <nixternal> 10gb hard drive isn't much fun
[05:04] <abattoir> nixternal: any 'buzz' around #ubuntu-devel about this?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> sigh.  i'm an idiot.
[05:05] <abattoir>  yes X in edgy is broken atm".
[05:05] <nixternal> not that i have seen
[05:05] <ajmitch> nixternal: xorg drivers are in the queue to be rebuilt
[05:05] <ajmitch> just be patient :)
[05:05] <abattoir> from #ubuntu-devel topic ^^^^^
[05:05] <nixternal> ajmitch: i will be patient now ;)  thank you sir
[05:05] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you use i810 driver, right?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i think so, yeah.
[05:06] <ajmitch> or you can just apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-i810, and build it
[05:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: if i've have to change a upstream tarball from .tar.bz2 to .tar.gz - i dont further modify it, like to correct the folder name, do i?
[05:06] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: best not to
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: right, yep, thanks
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: how big's the driver, and when's it likely to be fixed by?
[05:07] <ajmitch> you'll notice that dpkg-source extracts with the right directory name, no matter what
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahh...right.
[05:07] <ajmitch> driver is < 1MB, build depends may be a little larger
[05:07] <ajmitch> ok, about 600K for the driver source alone
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and when is it being fixed by?
[05:08] <ajmitch> or I've got a 127KB .deb
[05:08] <ajmitch> whenever the buildds are free enough to build it
[05:08] <Hobbsee> right, so sometime overnight, hopefully.
[05:08] <ajmitch> which could be quite awhile, with OOo
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: if you could send me the deb, i'd appreciate it.
[05:09] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.dyndns.org/debuild/pbuilder/results/xserver-xorg-video-i810/xserver-xorg-video-i810_1.5.1.0-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:09] <ajmitch> it's now a version behind the current source, but that's no big deal
[05:09] <ajmitch> it works
[05:09] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thanks :)
[05:10] <ajmitch> you can even turn composite on in xorg.conf & play with fancy effects
[05:12] <Hobbsee> ooh :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> seaLne: they take ages, i expect
[05:17] <seaLne> nah very quick
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Seveas is being nasty.
[05:18] <seaLne> more than his reputation?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> seaLne: he took me off the ops list :(
[05:18] <Hobbsee> :D
[05:18] <seaLne> you were or he thought you were?
[05:19] <seaLne> Riddell: just to confirm my font/text problem was xorg related
[05:19] <Hobbsee> seaLne: oh i was, no question - the ops are insane in -offtopic :P
[05:20] <Riddell> seaLne: so it's fixed itself?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dput'ing to revu now :)
[05:22] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah looks fine now there is text to read :)
[05:22] <ajmitch> seaLne: you had invisible text also?
[05:23] <seaLne> yeah except in xterm for some reason
[05:27] <pygi> ajmitch, again??!
[05:27] <ajmitch> seaLne: I've heard blame put on various things - fontconfig, freetype or libxft2 are the most likely culprits
[05:27] <bddebian> heh
[05:28] <Hobbsee> pygi: yes, again.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> oh, here we go.  hey, there's an archive button now!  cool!
[05:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's because you're a MOTU now
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh cool.  i didnt think i had access to that though :)
[05:29] <ajmitch> what is Hobbsee complaining about this time?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you, dont worry :)
[05:29] <ajmitch> sigh
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2799
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you be careful, or i'll tickle your ribs again :P
[05:30] <seaLne> Hobbsee: if you want to test the archive button, you could archive dcfldd
[05:31] <Hobbsee> `oops.
[05:31] <seaLne> that dosen't sound good
[05:32] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it was already archived.  i hit the unarchive button :P
[05:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: note that there's an 'unarchive' button for those oops'
[05:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, that's the one i just hit :P
[05:32] <ajmitch> just don't accidentally nuke stuff
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:32] <Hobbsee> nuke?  that could be fun
[05:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i have the power to do that too?
[05:32] <ajmitch> though you probably can't, if you don't see it
[05:35] <seaLne> Hobbsee: if yur board fancy looking at kmobiletools on revu?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, i dont see it
[05:35] <Hobbsee> seaLne: that's just an upgrade, isnt it?
[05:35] <seaLne> yeah
[05:36] <ajmitch> seaLne: always upload to REVU with an orig.tar.gz
[05:37] <seaLne> ajmitch: ?
[05:38] <ajmitch> sorry, it appears that you have one, but the diff looks 'interesting'
[05:38] <seaLne> the upstream tgz was a mess
[05:39] <ajmitch> did the upstream tarball contain a debian/ dir?
[05:39] <seaLne> yes
[05:39] <ajmitch> how evil
[05:39] <seaLne> and some .o files and a .svn dir
[05:40] <ajmitch> have they been suitably chastised?
[05:40] <seaLne> i asked in their irc channel and was told it didn't matter
[05:41] <ajmitch> did you flame them in response?
[05:42] <seaLne> i tried to justify my suggestion t fix it
[05:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kwin-style-crystal uploaded thanks, you can use your elite Archive powers now
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe!  :D
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i want the other title too though - probably announced sometime soonish, so people will listen to me
[05:49] <Hobbsee> although they already do, to some degree, which is good :)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah yeah, that's right.  then again, i dont mind this one getting out.
[05:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how do we go about announcing that?
[05:52] <Riddell> at a kubuntu meeting I guess
[05:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm not sure on that one - i would say at a kubuntu meeting, but not one of those is scheduled for a while.
[05:53] <nixternal> i missed something here big time Hobbsee, as i have no clue what you are talking about
[05:53] <nixternal> lol
[05:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: goign to tell mark, etc?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, you did
[05:53] <nixternal> i read about archive and nuke, and your excitement ;)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, people wonder about why i'm excited, adn see no evidence, so it's a bit weird.
[05:54] <nixternal> hehe
[05:59] <bddebian> How did I know that Hobbsee would package kwin-style-crystal?? :-)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: because i got asked to?  how'd you figure that?
[06:00] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Riddell mentioned it late last night :)
[06:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ah.  he only mentioned it to me in PM an hour or so ago.  but i did think to check if it was in main first, instead of getting another rejected email :P
[06:02] <bddebian> hehe
[06:02] <pygi> Hobbsee, may I grab you for a sec pls?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> pygi: sure
[06:13] <Riddell> toma!
[06:13] <toma> hey all
[06:13] <Hobbsee> hi toma!
[06:14] <Riddell> toma: could you sync people.kde.nl?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> toma: i'm back to haunt you and everyone else!  :P
[06:14] <toma> Riddell: hm?
[06:14] <toma> Riddell: can  you make a dummy commit and see if it updates now?
[06:15] <toma> waha 414kB/s 
[06:15] <nixternal> man i had a good one with "can you make a dummy commit"...
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's that k cocoa thing that refreshes the menu, and fixes when you use sudo for a KDE gui app?  whta's the command?
[06:17] <uniq> hobbsee: kbuildsycoca
[06:17] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca
[06:17] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> i knew it had soemthing to do with cocoa...
[06:18] <Riddell> toma: doesn't seem to have
[06:18] <Hobbsee> BUGGER!
[06:18] <Hobbsee> oh well
[06:19] <toma> Riddell: ok, just have a new adsl connection, so I need to dig myself a way through some iptables, takes a moment.
[06:25] <sebas> Does apt-get install lame work for someone here?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:25] <sebas>   lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 is to be installed
[06:25] <Hobbsee> sebas: works fine here.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> sebas: got some screwy repo that you're using?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> (edgy)
[06:26] <sebas> Dapper 
[06:26] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:26] <Hobbsee> no idea then, without firing up my pbuilder.
[06:26] <sebas> Hm, ok.
[06:26] <sebas> Thx anyway.
[06:26] <uniq> dapper... let's see.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> and i'm going to bed.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> night all...
[06:27] <uniq> sebas: works.
[06:27] <sebas> uniq: Ok, then it's me :-)
[06:27] <uniq>     3.96.1-1 0
[06:27] <uniq>         500 http://no.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
[06:27] <uniq> there it is.
[06:33] <toma> Riddell: olivier seems to be there
[06:34] <toma> Riddell: something specific wrong?
[06:34] <toma> where is hobbsee now?
[06:35] <toma> Riddell: i see the foo, so i think you triggered it correctly
[06:38] <Riddell> rocking, it's working now
[06:38] <Riddell> thanks toma 
[06:39] <toma> ok, i just rebooted my computer, i can not imagen that solved this issue ;-)
[06:40] <Riddell> is kde.nl hosted on your computer?
[06:40] <seaLne> anyone tried using k3b/cdrecord recently on edgy?  i can't burn cds
[06:42] <uniq> sealne: i can try.. hang on.
[06:42] <seaLne> it seems to be at the burning stage
[06:44] <seaLne> ah: Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root?
[06:44] <uniq> hmm.
[06:44] <uniq> i'll try to delete a cdrw.
[06:45] <seaLne> ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord*
[06:45] <uniq> k3b prompts me saying i should run k3bsetup to make cdrecord SUID root.
[06:46] <uniq> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 133 2006-06-29 02:03 /usr/bin/cdrecord
[06:46] <uniq> before k3bsetup.
[06:46] <omeow> My computer can't seem to recover dpms'd monitors.
[06:46] <omeow> Anyone else having that problem on edgy?
[06:49] <uniq> sealne: k3bsetup doesn't do the job of setting SUID very well here.. 
[06:50] <seaLne> interesting, k3bsetup fails like that on debian aswell, least it wasn't specifically me :)
[06:51] <seaLne> k3bsetup wasn't something i thought to test :(
[06:51] <seaLne> unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/ksocket-root/napier-01.cis.strath.ac.uk-7bad-44c8eeb2)
[06:52] <seaLne> ^ anyone seen that before?
[06:52] <seaLne> could it be related?
[06:55] <uniq> i don't think so.
[06:57] <uniq> is there a 'Autorun at logout'-function in KDE? 
[07:25] <toma> a what?
[09:32] <omeow> Are you talking about xserver-input?
[09:32] <omeow> I always have to downgrade to 1.0.0.5 in order to keep my mouse working.
[09:58] <mhb> hi all
[10:15] <uniq> toma: something like the Autostart folder.. for logouts, not logins.
[10:16] <Tm_T> mooh
[10:16] <uniq> hi tm_t.
[10:17] <Tm_T> is new xorg already in edgy? or should I expect xorg b0rkage if I move to edgy next week
[10:18] <pygi> Tm_T, X is currently broken
[10:18] <Tm_T> excellent
[10:18] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:18] <pygi> not so excellent, but oh well :P
[10:19] <Tm_T> it is, that means it should be ok in few weeks
[10:19] <pygi> ah :)
[10:28] <crimsun> it's actually working just fine.
[10:28] <crimsun> new xserver-xorg-video-* are in the archive now
[10:29] <Tm_T> heh
[10:29] <uniq> my x is working.. dist-upgraded yesterday.
[10:29] <Tm_T> crimsun: what version of xorg it is? 7.1?
[10:29] <crimsun> a bit newer.
[10:29] <Tm_T> oh
[10:29] <crimsun> 7.1.1 according to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:30] <Tm_T> sounds good
[10:30] <Tm_T> I might dist-upgrade next week
[10:31] <Tm_T> I need something to mess with after I failed to build kdelibs in windows
[10:31] <Tm_T> though I fail in linux aswell =)
[10:32] <Tm_T> KDE4 <3
[10:32] <omeow> What's your issue with xorg, Tm_T?
[10:33] <Tm_T> omeow: no issues, just don't wan't to upgrade in the middle of the borkage
[10:33] <omeow> Oh.
[10:33] <omeow> Well, the thing I mentioned above is only because of my mouse. Don't know of anything else that got broken.
[10:33] <omeow> I have to use the older version, because otherwise I can't use all my mouse buttons.
[10:33] <Tm_T> heh
[10:33] <omeow> The new version is broken according to some guide on ubuntu forums.
[10:33] <Tm_T> all? three is enough ;)
[10:33] <omeow> i use a couple extra.
[10:34] <Tm_T> I love to have the middle button under my thumb like now
[10:34] <omeow> I have a button above and underneath my scrollwheel.
[10:35] <omeow> I bound them to home and end, so I can skip a page directly to the end or beginning.
[10:35] <Tm_T> oh
[10:35] <Tm_T> sounds useful
[10:35] <omeow> It was such a pain to set up.
[10:36] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:36] <Tm_T> so it feels better when it success ;)
[10:36] <omeow> It made me feel depressed.
[10:36] <Tm_T> d'oh
[10:36] <omeow> Pitty that all other users will have to go through the trouble too.
[10:37] <Tm_T> true
[10:37] <omeow> It's not exactly userfriendly. And there's no tool for it.
[10:40] <_Sime> Riddell: ping
[10:58] <nixternal> whats up with the fonts?
[10:58] <nixternal> lol...they got small, but i kind of like it since this lappy is only 800x600
[11:09] <Riddell> _Sime: hi
[11:10] <_Sime> Riddell: hi, I downloaded the Freespire beta 2 disk.
[11:10] <Riddell> ooh?
[11:10] <_Sime> Riddell: it is a live CD (as well) and is worth having a look at.
[11:10] <Riddell> 1 CD?
[11:10] <Riddell> install?
[11:10] <_Sime> Riddell: 1 cd
[11:10] <_Sime> Riddell: +install, if you want that.
[11:11] <_Sime> Riddell: they have some other config tools which I haven't seen before.
[11:11] <Riddell> to do what?
[11:13] <_Sime> network configuration.
[11:13] <_Sime> they are also using Jack
[11:13] <_Sime> (Arts has a jack out plugin I think)
[11:14] <Riddell> ubuntu doesn't want jack in main so we don't compile for that
[11:14] <nixternal> adept is broken again in edgy btw
[11:15] <pygi> nixternal, ah
[11:16] <nixternal> my thoughts exactly ;)
[11:22] <mornfall> what's up with it
[11:47] <kwwii> @Berlin
[11:47] <kwwii> hehe, oops
[11:47] <kwwii> sorry
[11:48] <pygi> kwwii, :P
[11:50] <kwwii> so how does that work again?
[11:50] <pygi> well, what do you new kwwii ?
[11:50] <kwwii> the time, I mean
[11:51] <kwwii> it was something with @ and a city name :-)
[11:51] <kwwii> god, I sound like a newbie
[11:51] <kwwii> @ Berlin
[11:51] <kwwii> or such
[11:51] <kwwii> oh well
[11:52] <sebas> It's 23.51, and decent computers have a working clock, dude. :-)
[11:52] <sebas> 52 even
[11:53] <kwwii> UTC?
[11:53] <pygi> nop
[11:54] <Ignite_> will there be a network installation image for edgy? (if this has already been done then ignore me :P)
[11:54] <pygi> 21:53 UTC I would say
[11:54] <kwwii> and that fscks me up every time
[11:54] <nixternal> sorry mornfall...it is the database error
[11:54] <sebas> No, in Berlin :-)
[11:54] <kwwii> Riddell: is the dev meeting at 23:00 UTC or ETC (as it says on the wiki)?
[11:54] <sebas> pygi seems also right, of course.
[11:54] <nixternal> im in a rush as i am giving an Ubuntu presentation tonight for the Chicago LoCo
[11:54] <pygi> kwwii, UTC I would say
[11:55] <kwwii> yeah, most meeting times are posted as UTC until now, but the fridge says Etc
[11:55] <pygi> sebas, :)
[11:55] <pygi> kwwii, fridge lies :P
[11:56] <kwwii> pygi: btw, I have the icons almost finished
[11:56] <kwwii> I adapted a few of the oxygen icons to make ones specifically for bzr
[11:57] <pygi> thanks :)
[11:57] <kwwii> I will send you them once I am happy with 'em :-)
[11:57] <pygi> uh, that means never ! :P
[11:57] <kwwii> :p
[11:58] <kwwii> no, no, it means one day before forever
[11:58] <Ignite_> is bzr a new package format? i think i remember reading something with "bzr" in something (k)ubuntu related earlier today
[11:59] <pygi> nop, it's not a new package format :P
[11:59] <pygi> !info bzr
[11:59] <ubotu> bzr: bazaar-ng, the next-generation distributed version control system. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 655 kB, installed size 3636 kB
[11:59] <kwwii> Ignite_: it is a repository system, version control
[11:59] <kwwii> hehe, yeah
[11:59] <Ignite_> sounds fun
[11:59] <pygi> kwwii, :P
[12:00] <pygi> Ignite_, http://bazaar-vcs.org/
[12:00] <pygi> a  little you can find here, other you can ask me
[12:00] <Ignite_> thanks, i'm there now :P
[12:00] <pygi> I'll be off to sleep soon tho, but tommorow is a good day :P
[12:00] <pygi> (1 minute 'till tommorow :P)
[12:01] <Ignite_> hehe
[12:01] <kwwii> hehe
[12:01] <kwwii> damn, I have to wait another hour to go to bed
[12:01] <kwwii> well, more than that
[12:01] <pygi> kwwii, eh, why?
[12:01] <pygi> meeting?
[12:01] <kwwii> yepp
[12:02] <kwwii> did someone implement the new bazaar website design already?
[12:03] <pygi> kwwii, I think this is the new one :)
[12:03] <kwwii> cool
[12:03] <pygi> right, your meeting starts in an hour
[12:03] <pygi> well, almost...57 minutes :)
[12:04] <kwwii> the "Etc" on the wiki is what messed me up
[12:04] <pygi> kwwii, care to explain me one thing?
[12:04] <pygi> I registered a domain,and it is valid until 1.1.1970???
[12:04] <pygi> I mean wth??
[12:05] <kwwii> huh?
[12:05] <kwwii> that sounds fscked up
[12:05] <kwwii> you have to register your domain and then pay every year
[12:06] <pygi> I know that, but notice the year pls :)
[12:06] <pygi> It's in the past !!!
[12:06] <kwwii> yeah, sure
[12:06] <kwwii> it is almost like a joke
[12:06] <kwwii> or a really bad program
[12:06] <pygi> that might be the Y2k36 bug :P
[12:06] <kwwii> hehe, doubt it
[12:06] <kwwii> by now 
[12:06] <kwwii> kinda late for that
[12:06] <pygi> now the domain is free !!! I mean wth?
[12:07] <pygi> late for Y2k36 bug? nah, that is a new one :P
[12:07] <pygi> it'll happen in 2036 :)
[12:07] <nixternal> arg, i can't install gnupg-agen cuz of libpth2 is not installable
[12:07] <toma> 1/1/1970 is called epoch. When you donot know the expire date and you set the field to 0 a conversion to a human readable format results in 1/1/1970.
[12:08] <kwwii> lol