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Lie_Ex | I've uploaded kalzium's po(zh_CN) to launchpad.net for three times,but all failed...Could anyone please tell me why? | 02:46 |
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crimsun | Lie_Ex: try asking in #launchpad | 02:53 |
Lie_Ex | crimsun: Well...I do. | 02:53 |
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wasabi_ | zeroconf zeroconf zeroconf. | 03:06 |
wasabi_ | *faint* | 03:06 |
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Keybuk | mdz: I can't find any evidence of a MoM bug in firefox | 03:18 |
Keybuk | casey firefox-1.99+2.0b1+dfsg-1ubuntu1% md5sum browser/base/branding/about.png* | 03:18 |
Keybuk | 6d3d82c09be331c2378ba8757e3ca3cb browser/base/branding/about.png.DEBIAN | 03:18 |
Keybuk | 5f7d44ff7cbd1dbccc9dda0bd0a30f5c browser/base/branding/about.png.UBUNTU | 03:18 |
Keybuk | 0e36645b0e1673028db0c66487ed377f security/nss/cmd/pk11util/scripts/pkey.DEBIAN | 03:18 |
Keybuk | 6978db5da7e4fd6227dee37e4eacd8cd security/nss/cmd/pk11util/scripts/pkey.UBUNTU | 03:18 |
Keybuk | etc. | 03:18 |
Keybuk | they really are different in Debian and Ubuntu | 03:18 |
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mdz | Keybuk: hmm, perhaps we moved to a new upstream version ahead of Debian? | 03:19 |
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Keybuk | that often happens | 03:20 |
mdz | we surely didn't modify those files explicitly | 03:20 |
bddebian | Howdy | 03:20 |
mdz | seems like we should be able to exclude them somehow | 03:20 |
Keybuk | actually, sorry | 03:20 |
Keybuk | we must have modified them | 03:20 |
Keybuk | we have something that claims to be the "2nd ubuntu revision" of a version that exists in Debian | 03:21 |
Keybuk | maybe there is a MoM bug here somewhere | 03:22 |
mjg59 | Why has gksu suddenly started offering to save my password? | 03:23 |
mdz | mjg59:that hang on my laptop turned out to be unrelated to vbesave specifically | 03:24 |
Keybuk | oh | 03:24 |
Keybuk | MoM is just entirely missing code to cope with that ;) | 03:24 |
mdz | it just seems to hang most of the time, more often if stuff is running in the background | 03:24 |
ajmitch | mjg59: xgl is built, just can't find font 'fixed' | 03:24 |
Keybuk | it copes with non-files properly, just not binary files | 03:24 |
ajmitch | even with the right font path given to it | 03:24 |
mjg59 | mdz: Fun | 03:32 |
Keybuk | mdz: ok, fixed | 03:32 |
mdz | Keybuk: thanks | 03:32 |
mjg59 | ajmitch: It's looking in /usr/share/X11/fonts, rather than /usr/share/fonts/X11 | 03:32 |
mjg59 | Or something | 03:33 |
mdz | mjg59: it seems to be triggered by something the gdm greeter does; I can startx without trouble | 03:33 |
mjg59 | Probably needs a configure option | 03:33 |
mjg59 | mdz: Hrm | 03:33 |
Keybuk | mdz: it was just noticing that debian and ubuntu had different binary files, and not taking the base into account | 03:33 |
mdz | I guess I'll try disabling some acceleration when I have time to play with it | 03:33 |
mjg59 | mdz: Why does your machine ahve to have all these weird bugs | 03:33 |
Keybuk | so now it won't conflict if it was only modified on one side | 03:33 |
mdz | mjg59: does it? | 03:33 |
mdz | this is my T42, which is generally well-behaved | 03:33 |
mjg59 | There was the laptop-mode crashing madness | 03:34 |
ajmitch | mjg59: yes, --with-fontdir=\$${prefix}/share/fonts/X11, which I have | 03:34 |
mjg59 | ajmitch: strace it and see where it's looking? | 03:34 |
ajmitch | setting -fp when running it has no effect either | 03:34 |
ajmitch | will try | 03:34 |
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ajmitch | looking in the right place, for the file that's not there. I thought mkfontdir would have created fonts.alias | 03:36 |
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mdz | mjg59: a lot of people had that one | 03:46 |
gnomefreak | is there a known issue with latest 2.6.17-5 images/restricted mods? | 03:48 |
bddebian | Does it make sense for us to add a build-dep for sharutils just to get uudecode to add an icon? | 03:59 |
infinity | bddebian: Yes. | 04:00 |
infinity | bddebian: Alternately, distribute the icons as SVGs, and add a build-dep on librsvg2-bin to convert them to PNGs during the build. | 04:03 |
infinity | (Assuming you have SVG originals) | 04:03 |
bddebian | Not xpms? | 04:03 |
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whiprush | hey canonical folk, does silbs irc or is she email-only? | 04:03 |
infinity | You could convert to XPM if you want, but they'll end up very ugly. | 04:03 |
infinity | whiprush: She IRCs. The fact that you named her base don her IRC nick should confirm that. :) | 04:04 |
infinity | s/base don/based on/ | 04:04 |
whiprush | infinity: well, last I saw her was like, 2 years ago. :) | 04:04 |
infinity | She's on every day. She just doesn't stay connected when not at work, like the rest of us freaks. | 04:04 |
whiprush | heh | 04:04 |
whiprush | infinity: welcome back btw. | 04:05 |
infinity | And since it's 3am there... | 04:05 |
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fabbione | morning | 04:11 |
fabbione | infinity: could you please give back redhat-cluster-suite ? | 04:12 |
bddebian | Hello fabbione | 04:13 |
fabbione | lo | 04:13 |
mdz | fabbione: the meeting while I was away was 1500 UTC, right? so the next one 2300 UTC? | 04:25 |
fabbione | mdz: yes, so it seemd | 04:25 |
fabbione | seems | 04:25 |
mdz | ok, thanks | 04:25 |
fabbione | mdz: no problem | 04:25 |
fabbione | mdz: how does it feel to be back home? | 04:25 |
mdz | fabbione: tired | 04:25 |
fabbione | mdz: i bet... | 04:26 |
fabbione | mdz: today might be the day :) | 04:26 |
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infinity | fabbione: Sure. | 05:05 |
fabbione | infinity: thanks! | 05:05 |
infinity | fabbione: Appears to have built okay on amd64. Should build everywhere else if/when doko stops uploading OpenOffice every 20 minutes. | 05:10 |
fabbione | infinity: perfect thanks. I am pretty sure it will build everywhere | 05:10 |
fabbione | it was a matter of other pkgs being broken before | 05:10 |
infinity | ia64 worked too, so yeah. | 05:10 |
fabbione | it might fail on sparc | 05:11 |
fabbione | openais doesn't build because of l-k-h | 05:11 |
infinity | Oh, that's okay, we don't care about sparc, do we? :) | 05:11 |
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fabbione | ;) | 05:11 |
fabbione | speaking of which | 05:11 |
fabbione | somebody will need to look at all recent FTBFS and prepare a collection for Ben | 05:12 |
fabbione | so he can fix stuff up on monday | 05:12 |
fabbione | it's extremely unlikely i will be around from today/tomorrow | 05:12 |
infinity | As in, recent FTBFS that are the fault of l-k-h? | 05:12 |
fabbione | yes | 05:12 |
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infinity | I was going to do another mass-give-back after the OpenOffice-fest is over, so I can keep an eye out. | 05:12 |
fabbione | infinity: that would be lovely. | 05:13 |
fabbione | infinity: i expect to be away about 2 weeks | 05:13 |
fabbione | but i need people to look after my stuff while i am away | 05:13 |
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infinity | Tollef's off too, honeymoon. | 05:13 |
fabbione | i know | 05:13 |
fabbione | poor guy | 05:13 |
fabbione | he is going to eat the most poisoining food in his life ever | 05:14 |
infinity | No, no. The honeymoon is good. It's the 50 years after that... | 05:14 |
zul | aka purgatory | 05:14 |
infinity | But I'm not bitter. | 05:14 |
fabbione | 25 years.. you usually don't want to live that long after | 05:14 |
fabbione | zul: it's called hell :) | 05:14 |
zul | fabbione: thats another word for it | 05:15 |
infinity | fabbione: So, are they inducing, or has she finally gone into labour? | 05:15 |
fabbione | zul: in bibble, purgatory is less painful than hell :) | 05:15 |
fabbione | infinity: they are inducing.. in about 3 hours | 05:15 |
ajmitch | when is tollef away? | 05:15 |
zul | fabbione: dont they eat your brains | 05:15 |
infinity | fabbione: Fun. Good luck! | 05:15 |
fabbione | infinity: thanks mate. | 05:16 |
infinity | ajmitch: From Friday evening until the sprint in Germany. | 05:16 |
bddebian | fabbione: You are having a child? (Well your wife?) | 05:16 |
zul | fabbione: good luck.. | 05:16 |
fabbione | bddebian: well as everybody know by now.. only the mother is *always* certain, despites some bad jokes about it | 05:16 |
ajmitch | infinity: right, I'll have to catch up with him asap then | 05:16 |
fabbione | zul: thanks | 05:16 |
bddebian | fabbione: Awesome, congratulations | 05:17 |
fabbione | thanks | 05:17 |
fabbione | infinity: anyway, they start the induction today.. but it might take up till monday | 05:18 |
bddebian | You should have asked, I could have just given you one of my 3 ;-P | 05:18 |
fabbione | infinity: so i might be around a few days more | 05:18 |
fabbione | FANCY! new dlmfs builds! | 05:19 |
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fabbione | infinity: can you also NEW the binaries from the redhat-cluster-suite? | 05:29 |
fabbione | infinity: i would like to upload the new lvm2 to complete the libdlm1 -> libdlm2 transition | 05:30 |
infinity | fabbione: Does it have a proper versioned build-dep, so it'll dep-wait on the arches that don't have the new binaries yet? | 05:31 |
fabbione | it's versioned B-D but just to make sure it foes in | 05:31 |
fabbione | yes it will | 05:31 |
fabbione | and it does | 05:31 |
infinity | Alright. | 05:32 |
infinity | I'll NEW amd64/ia64, then. | 05:32 |
fabbione | just to make sure somebody NEW it | 05:32 |
infinity | gfs2-tools to main? | 05:32 |
fabbione | yes please | 05:32 |
fabbione | it's a redhat-cluster-suite Depends: | 05:32 |
fabbione | and the former is in main | 05:32 |
fabbione | we did kill quite a bunch of binaries | 05:32 |
infinity | Okay, it's in on amd64/powerpc/ia64, apparently. | 05:33 |
infinity | Done. | 05:33 |
fabbione | thanks perfect | 05:33 |
fabbione | oh actually openais did build on sparc | 05:34 |
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fabbione | infinity: is there any special reason why lvm2 was never built on edgy since mvo's merge? | 05:58 |
fabbione | it's in needs-build but never scheduled? | 05:58 |
fabbione | no biggie.. new version is hitting archive now, just curious | 05:59 |
infinity | fabbione: I'd assume it's in a dep-wait loop. | 06:00 |
fabbione | ok | 06:00 |
fabbione | let see if it solves itself | 06:00 |
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pitti | Good morning | 07:07 |
pitti | infinity: any chance to stop the ruby1.8 breezy-security sparc build? | 07:09 |
pitti | infinity: it keeps spamming me with failed log files | 07:09 |
fabbione | infinity: can you please promote libcman-dev and libcman2 to main? MIR is not required. B-D for lvm2 and source is already in main | 07:10 |
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sladen | elmo: /usplash_fifo appears because the return code of chdir() isn't checked to see whether it succeeded. | 08:23 |
sladen | sfllaw: it's important to mention a timezone when stating times! :) | 08:30 |
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pitti | hey md | 09:15 |
pitti | hey mdz | 09:15 |
mdz | morning | 09:15 |
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pitti | mdz: ah, back to home, sweet home? | 09:16 |
mdz | yes | 09:16 |
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mdz | but not home-sweet-$TZ | 09:16 |
pitti | UnifyWorldTimezonesSpec | 09:17 |
jsgotangco | lol | 09:17 |
mdz | it looks like xserver-xorg-core is out of sync with xserver-xorg-video-* | 09:18 |
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bluefoxicy | mdz, pitti: Any news on if that patch I sent is going to make it to backports or updates? | 09:19 |
pitti | bluefoxicy: patch? sent? me know nothing | 09:20 |
mdz | I replied to you last week | 09:20 |
pitti | ah, gnutls? | 09:20 |
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bluefoxicy | mdz: you said you were going to send it to pitti and go with wherever he sticks it, which is fine with me | 09:20 |
bluefoxicy | I'm just curious as to where it went. | 09:20 |
pitti | bluefoxicy: ah, I see; sorry, I didn't reply yet | 09:21 |
mdz | that isn't quite how I put it, but yes, I asked for his opinion | 09:21 |
pitti | bluefoxicy, mdz: my feeling is that we shouldn't do potentially disruptive changes in such a central library for dapper | 09:21 |
pitti | doing it in edgy is fine | 09:21 |
pitti | but we have seen in SSP that even changes which are meant to be transparent can cause troubles | 09:21 |
bluefoxicy | i.e. it's going nowhere. | 09:21 |
pitti | bluefoxicy: gnutls13 is already fine? | 09:22 |
bluefoxicy | pitti: libgcrypt11 o.o I never sent a patch for gnutls | 09:22 |
pitti | ah, gcrypt | 09:22 |
bluefoxicy | I sent a dpatch that adds --enable-noexecstack to the ./configure for that | 09:23 |
pitti | bluefoxicy: so, why not apply it to edgy? | 09:23 |
bluefoxicy | it's in edgy | 09:23 |
pitti | ah, indeed | 09:24 |
bluefoxicy | the version in edgy has other changes though | 09:24 |
bluefoxicy | which is why I made a dpatch for just that for dapper; my intent is to get the executable stacks off gaim, thunderbird, firefox, vino-server, and a few other things. Nothing more, nothing less. | 09:25 |
pitti | bluefoxicy: btw, configure options are in debian/rules and shuold be applied directly, not in a patch | 09:26 |
bluefoxicy | it is in debian/rules | 09:26 |
bluefoxicy | the dpatch patches debian/rules | 09:26 |
bluefoxicy | or something | 09:26 |
bluefoxicy | whatever it's called, debdiff | 09:26 |
bluefoxicy | some command tseng told me to run | 09:26 |
pitti | bluefoxicy: ok, since it is in edgy for a while and apparently didn't break anything, hmm.. | 09:27 |
pitti | bluefoxicy: ah, debdiff | 09:27 |
bluefoxicy | I honestly don't remember anymore :) | 09:27 |
pitti | bluefoxicy: debdiff between two .dsc files gives you a diff -Nur between the two sources | 09:27 |
pitti | so you probably mean that | 09:27 |
bluefoxicy | yeah that's what I did | 09:27 |
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bluefoxicy | at any rate, I'll leave that up to you to figure out | 09:29 |
bluefoxicy | it's 4am here and I'm going to sleep before my brain asplode. | 09:30 |
pitti | good night, sleep well! | 09:31 |
mdz | a dpatch patching debian/rules generally doesn't do what you want | 09:33 |
pitti | mdz: what was supposed to mean s/dpatch/debdiff/ | 09:33 |
mdz | oh | 09:33 |
pitti | I'm a bit nervous about it TBH | 09:34 |
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pitti | Kamion: if you have a minute, could you please free apport from NEW? | 09:38 |
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jdub | lamont: wow, milter support in postfix! | 09:47 |
Seveas | Kamion, darn, I finally had a reply to an ubiquity bug correct, turns out you're just ahead of me | 09:48 |
desrt | Seveas; how do you type that character? | 09:48 |
Amaranth | desrt: it's katakana | 09:49 |
desrt | Amaranth; i know | 09:49 |
Amaranth | desrt: gucharmap :) | 09:49 |
desrt | i want to know how he physically uses his keyboard to produce it | 09:49 |
Amaranth | or a custom keymap | 09:49 |
desrt | since i assume he doesn't use gcharmap every time he wants to smile :) | 09:49 |
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Kamion | pitti: apport accepted | 09:51 |
Kamion | Seveas: eh | 09:51 |
Kamion | heh | 09:51 |
Kamion | pitti: there's a random .pyc in the source package - maybe a missing clean rule? | 09:51 |
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Kamion | pitti: and a random master-slave.diff too | 09:52 |
pitti | Kamion: oh, I'll clean the .pyc in the next version, thanks | 09:52 |
dholbach | good morning | 09:53 |
Seveas | mornin' dholbach | 09:54 |
dholbach | hey Seveas | 09:54 |
Seveas | seen Ubugtu's spam feature yet? | 09:54 |
dholbach | ah no, not yet | 09:55 |
Kamion | Seveas: (for the record I would prefer duplicates not to be Rejected as a general rule, just marked as duplicate - marking them Rejected makes it more effort to clean up in the event that a mistake is made) | 09:56 |
Kamion | there's no need to reject them because Malone doesn't show duplicates by default anyway | 09:56 |
Seveas | ack | 09:56 |
Kamion | thanks | 09:56 |
Seveas | sfllaw really should work on collecting such info and making guidelines -- most people reject duplicates and if that should not be done for a subset of packages that should be noted somewhere | 09:58 |
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dholbach | in gnome land we reject duplicates as well | 09:59 |
Kamion | the fad of rejecting duplicates is relatively recent, I think | 09:59 |
Kamion | dholbach: but there's no way to mark a bug as duplicate in bugzilla without rejecting it, is there? | 09:59 |
Kamion | well, resolved/duplicate | 09:59 |
Kamion | bugzilla doesn't have a real mark as duplicate, so the situation isn't comparable IMO | 09:59 |
dholbach | Kamion: in bugzilla, no - it's resolved as duplicate, yes | 10:00 |
dholbach | oh, i meant in "ubuntu gnome" land | 10:00 |
dholbach | "ubuntu desktop... something" land | 10:00 |
Kamion | in a bug tracking system that has a real mark-as-duplicate, it seems odd to me to do further status changes | 10:00 |
Kamion | dholbach: oh, ok | 10:00 |
dholbach | i'll go out to buy a fan later today | 10:00 |
Seveas | the bug tracking system should keep status changes of duplicate bugs in sync imo | 10:01 |
Kamion | it's not so bad if it's the maintainer doing it I guess, but if other helpers are doing it then the chance of incorrect duplicate-markings is higher | 10:01 |
Kamion | Seveas: it would have to remember the original status and snap it back if you unmarked-duplicate | 10:01 |
Seveas | good one | 10:01 |
Kamion | seems like a lot of complexity for not a lot of gain, but shrug | 10:02 |
Kamion | I guess some users do get confused by the status on duplicates - easy bit of education to do though | 10:02 |
sivang | morning | 10:08 |
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dholbach | hey mvo! | 10:09 |
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dholbach | hey carlos | 10:09 |
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sivang | hi mvo | 10:09 |
mvo | good morning! | 10:09 |
sivang | carlos, et al | 10:09 |
mvo | hello sivang! | 10:09 |
carlos | he dudes! | 10:10 |
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hungerW | Could the damn fstab upgrade script please leave my fstab alone? I have fixed it three times now. | 10:24 |
hungerW | Same is true for my grub settings: I do not have a automatic kernel list, it would be nice if that wouldn't get added all the time behind my back. | 10:24 |
Seveas | hungerW, hack for the latter: update-grub sources /etc/default/grub, put 'exit 0' in there | 10:29 |
Seveas | hungerW, and afaik the fstab update script (I assume you mean the one in edgy) is supposed to be neccessary -- if it fails to do the right thing for you, you should file a bug | 10:30 |
Kamion | it shouldn't upgrade more than oonce ... | 10:34 |
Kamion | once | 10:34 |
\sh | pitti: ping | 10:34 |
Kamion | if dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt "093-0ubuntu5"; then | 10:34 |
Kamion | mount_by_uuid_conversion | 10:34 |
Kamion | fi | 10:34 |
Kamion | looks right to me | 10:35 |
pitti | \sh: pong | 10:36 |
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hungerW | Seveas: I did file a bug about exactly this issue yesterday. | 10:37 |
hungerW | Seveas: Please do not get me wrong: I do not mind fixing something... I am using a unstable distribution after all. | 10:38 |
hungerW | Seveas: But fixing the same thing that break my boot three times in a one day is a bit annoying. | 10:38 |
Seveas | true that | 10:38 |
Kamion | hungerW: where's the bug? | 10:39 |
Seveas | what's the bugnumber -- I don't recall seeing that bug | 10:39 |
Seveas | and I've worked all night (90 minutes sleep) to get over the bug backlog | 10:39 |
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cbx33 | hi guys, is there a look and feel summary for edgy anywhere? | 10:39 |
hungerW | Seveas: #54002 | 10:40 |
Seveas | cbx33, wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork is what comes closest | 10:40 |
Seveas | bug 54003 | 10:40 |
Seveas | bug 54002 | 10:40 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 54003 in udev "fstab conversion uses UUIDs for drives that are formatted on reboot" [Untriaged,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54003 | 10:40 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 54002 in udev "No need to convert LVM volumes to UUIDs" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54002 | 10:40 |
cbx33 | Seveas: that's what I thought you'd day | 10:40 |
hungerW | Seveas: Basically a wishlist bug... | 10:40 |
Kamion | hungerW: what did you do in between those three times? | 10:40 |
hungerW | Kamion: Upgrade:-) | 10:40 |
Kamion | hungerW: as in, did you upgrade something that tried to do the conversion again? if so, what? | 10:40 |
Kamion | hungerW: /var/log/dpkg.log may help | 10:41 |
hungerW | Kamion: I did upgrade everything. And I guess that this script did not see any UUIDs in my fstab and assumes it has to build them into my system again. | 10:41 |
Kamion | hungerW: the fact that the conversion is done multiple times would be a dpkg bug | 10:41 |
Kamion | er? | 10:41 |
Kamion | sorry, brain<->fingers disconnect | 10:41 |
Kamion | hungerW: the fact that the conversion is done multiple times would be a separate bug | 10:41 |
hungerW | Kamion: Which breaks the boot as the UUIDs change on reboot! | 10:42 |
Kamion | hungerW: no, the conversion's only supposed to be done once at all | 10:42 |
Kamion | it doesn't check whether there are UUIDs there - it checks whether it's upgraded to the version in which the conversion was introduced | 10:42 |
hungerW | Kamion: Which is the reason I have not used them before:-) | 10:42 |
Kamion | please file a bug about the conversion being done multiple times, and attach /var/log/dpkg.log - try to identify roughly what times the conversion happened | 10:42 |
Kamion | well, the last few days' worth of dpkg.log, anyway | 10:43 |
hungerW | Kamion: Which package has the conversion script? | 10:43 |
Kamion | source package is udev | 10:43 |
Kamion | oh, I see, the conversion script was moved to volumeid | 10:44 |
Kamion | I suppose that would explain it happening twice, but not three times | 10:44 |
hungerW | Kamion: Is there supposed to be data in /var/log/dpkg.log? | 10:44 |
hungerW | Kamion: I should file a bug about that file always being empty then:-| | 10:45 |
Kamion | are you absolutely sure it happened three times? if it was twice, then I know why that happened and it only affects a few people who upgraded through edgy | 10:45 |
Kamion | and it's probably not worth the painful complexity of trying to fix it | 10:45 |
Kamion | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 913817 2006-07-27 08:28 /var/log/dpkg.log | 10:45 |
Kamion | it might look empty if you're not in the adm group | 10:45 |
hungerW | Kamion: I am sure it happened three times. The first was yesterday morning (with a message claiming that it will do so). | 10:46 |
hungerW | Kamion: I fixed it then. In the afternoon I had to reboot and fix the issue again. | 10:46 |
hungerW | Kamion: And when I booted just now I saw the same problem again. | 10:46 |
hungerW | Kamion: I can not garantee that I didn't do something stupid in the meantime;-) | 10:47 |
hungerW | Kamion: Maybe it was my fault. I don't know. | 10:47 |
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Kamion | hungerW: I'm not trying to suggest it was your fault, just trying to nail down what happened | 10:54 |
Kamion | hmm, the conversion should exit if there's already an /etc/fstab.pre-uuid | 10:54 |
Kamion | I'll suggest that to Keybuk - that would avoid the problem for most people | 10:55 |
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Kamion | bug 54231 | 10:57 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 54231 in udev "skip UUID conversion if /etc/fstab.pre-uuid already exists" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54231 | 10:57 |
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hungerW | Kamion: There is one... here. I deleted it:-) | 11:04 |
Arbiter | mvo: ping | 11:04 |
Kamion | hungerW: can't help that :) | 11:04 |
hungerW | Kamion: Well, maybe that was the reason it converted once more. I deleted that file as soon as I roled back the changes done by the script. | 11:05 |
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Kamion | hungerW: can't possibly have been the reason it converted once more, because bug 54231 is not implemented at present. | 11:06 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 54231 in udev "skip UUID conversion if /etc/fstab.pre-uuid already exists" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54231 | 11:06 |
hungerW | Kamion: Well, if you say this conversion will happen only once (or maybe twice for ppl that update too often;-), then it probably is something like that... me deleting/changing something the script needed. | 11:08 |
mvo | Arbiter: pong | 11:08 |
Kamion | hungerW: I've read the code; deleting that file can have no possible effect at present | 11:09 |
Kamion | cp -a /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.pre-uuid | 11:09 |
Kamion | that's the only line that references it | 11:09 |
hungerW | Kamion: Well, if nobody else has the three time conversion issue but me, then it is most probably me that did something. | 11:09 |
Arbiter | mvo: have you reviewed the smartpm patches? :) | 11:10 |
mvo | Arbiter: yes, a bit. not uploaded yet though | 11:11 |
Arbiter | mvo: yup, do you like the split && patch? | 11:12 |
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cbx33 | Hi again guys | 11:15 |
cbx33 | how deals with sound themes? | 11:15 |
cbx33 | s/how/who | 11:15 |
mvo | Arbiter: yes, I will modify it a bit though and make the new __init__.py a proper dpatch | 11:18 |
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Arbiter | mvo: well :) | 11:21 |
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Kamion | infinity: could you turn the livefs cron jobs back on, please? Knot-1 is kind of out ;-) | 11:50 |
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Kamion | ever get that feeling when you want to go back and shake your past self into not being silly? | 12:47 |
ajmitch | too often | 12:47 |
Kamion | bug 40107 is a one-line fix :-/ | 12:47 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 40107 in ubiquity "selects wrong country if selected ll_CC not available" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40107 | 12:47 |
tseng | rodarvus: do you happen to know what lib provides ExaDriverRec, trying to rebuild video-ati and I have a feeling I am missing a b-d | 12:49 |
dholbach | tseng: /usr/include/xorg/exa.h from xserver-xorg-dev mentions it | 12:51 |
tseng | dholbach: already have it, thanks. | 12:51 |
rodarvus | ahn, I was late :) | 12:51 |
tseng | (doesn't help) | 12:52 |
rodarvus | I'll be right back, need to logout/logon again | 12:52 |
rodarvus | (gnome theme is fubar, probably needs a restart) | 12:52 |
dholbach | tseng: one of xserver-xorg-dev's build-depends (might be it lacks a depends) | 12:52 |
tseng | dholbach: i bet so | 12:52 |
tseng | gotta go, will look at it after work | 12:55 |
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madduck | how many ubuntu developers are there? | 01:37 |
madduck | and how many of those are canonical employees? | 01:37 |
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madduck | for core? and for everything? | 01:37 |
slomo | madduck: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev and https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev | 01:37 |
slomo | madduck: no idea about employment ;) | 01:38 |
madduck | not a single female core developer. :/ | 01:39 |
ogra | madduck, we'll get there ... | 01:39 |
madduck | anyway, what i really want to know is how many maintainers there are i guess. | 01:40 |
ajmitch | madduck: currently there's only 1 female MOTU | 01:41 |
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fabbione | ogra: "we" as in when did you change sex? | 01:41 |
fabbione | madduck: ogra will fix the problem soon with a short visit to casablanca | 01:42 |
Riddell | Kamion: what part of ubiquity removes packages (like removing ubiquity) after install? | 01:42 |
ogra | fabbione, :P | 01:42 |
sivang | fabbione: ROTFL | 01:43 |
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Kamion | Riddell: scripts/install.py, remove_extras | 02:17 |
Kamion | madduck: I think the current figure is 18 Canonical employees paid to work on the distro | 02:18 |
tseng | there are 34 in coredev, including volunteers, former employees, current distro team | 02:19 |
robertj | Kamion: is there any hope sabdfl might be our thundering voice & decide on Avahi to shut the mailing list up? | 02:19 |
Kamion | madduck: all of those are -core-dev | 02:19 |
tseng | robertj: he doesn't really do that.. | 02:19 |
tseng | robertj: (historically) | 02:19 |
Kamion | a technical board decision would involve leaping over fewer layers | 02:20 |
tseng | if you have an issue you cant resolve you schedule it for a hearing from the tech board | 02:20 |
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robertj | tseng: is ita "file a request for tech board to look at it" or does there actually need to be someone present & to talk to the board, etc, because if so that shouldn't be me | 02:23 |
tseng | yes, its on the wiki | 02:23 |
tseng | TechBoardAgenda or so, let me find it for you | 02:23 |
tseng | yes, someone definately needs to be present | 02:23 |
tseng | presumably from both sides, on this particular issue | 02:23 |
Lathiat | when is it? | 02:23 |
slomo | and both should better know what they're talking about ;) Lathiat? :) | 02:24 |
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tseng | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda?highlight=%28board%29%7C%28tech%29 | 02:24 |
Lathiat | in 12 hours | 02:24 |
Lathiat | hrm | 02:24 |
Lathiat | oh no | 02:24 |
Lathiat | 1st aug | 02:24 |
Lathiat | someone remind me? ;) | 02:24 |
madduck | Kamion: much obliged. | 02:25 |
tseng | someone (robertj) needs to add it to the agenda with a short synopsis and names of presenting parties | 02:25 |
Lathiat | tbh i gave up reading the thread | 02:27 |
Lathiat | what *exactly* are they bickering about? | 02:28 |
Lathiat | now? | 02:28 |
robertj | Lathiat: nothing thats why its time for someone to take steps to kill it | 02:28 |
robertj | (the thread) | 02:28 |
Lathiat | imm not sure a TB decision would help that | 02:28 |
Lathiat | a "stfu" might ;p but in CoC-kind words ;p | 02:29 |
ogra | well, "stfu because TB said no" (in a polite tone) has a better chance to be heard :) | 02:30 |
fabbione | Kamion: ping? | 02:30 |
robertj | I think we need some entrails to decide this properly | 02:30 |
Kamion | fabbione: hi | 02:31 |
fabbione | Kamion: hey dude.. could you be so kind to new redhat-cluster-suite binaries for i386/ia64 and move libcman-dev to main? (lvm2 b-d) | 02:32 |
fabbione | there is no need for a MIR. all the sources are already in main | 02:32 |
Kamion | ok, will do | 02:33 |
Kamion | fabbione: it's not in NEW | 02:33 |
fabbione | the source is not new.. there are new binaries | 02:34 |
fabbione | i can only see amd64 ppc asparc debs on archive... | 02:34 |
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Kamion | like I say, nothing to do with redhat-cluster-suite in NEW | 02:35 |
Kamion | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue | 02:35 |
ogra | i see t in "done" | 02:36 |
ogra | *it | 02:36 |
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fabbione | oh halt.. ia64 is ok not to be there ... ports | 02:37 |
Kamion | yep, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=redhat | 02:37 |
fabbione | but i386 should be there | 02:37 |
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Kamion | fabbione: it's on drescher; dunno why it's not on archive.u.c yet | 02:38 |
fabbione | Kamion: ok thanks.. could you check of libcman-dev is in main on drescher? | 02:38 |
fabbione | this rh-c-s transition has been the most painful EVAR! | 02:39 |
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Kamion | fabbione: it's not yet, I'll move it after this publisher run | 02:39 |
fabbione | Kamion: thanks a lot. | 02:40 |
fabbione | Kamion: that will also unleash the new lvm2 | 02:40 |
fabbione | that did never build since merge | 02:40 |
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Kamion | fabbione: promotd | 02:55 |
Kamion | +e | 02:55 |
fabbione | Kamion: thanks | 02:55 |
Hobbsee | hi Kamion, fabbione | 02:55 |
Kamion | fabbione: I think the i386 build was in the process of publishing when I looked; that would explain the discrepancy between drescher and archive.u.c | 02:56 |
fabbione | Kamion: perfect. thanks a lot for checking | 02:56 |
Kamion | coo; tasksel basically works | 02:56 |
fabbione | hey Hobbsee | 02:56 |
fabbione | Kamion: eheh neat | 02:57 |
Kamion | hmm, except it hasn't installed ubuntu-desktop, I wonder why not | 02:57 |
Kamion | xorg: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not installed | 02:57 |
Kamion | s/installed/installable/ | 02:58 |
gnomefreak | all kinds of xorg issues in latest updates | 02:58 |
Kamion | Depends: libgl1-mesa-dri which is a virtual package. | 02:58 |
fabbione | Kamion: might be the new mesa 6.5 transition? | 03:00 |
Kamion | something's installing libgl1-mesa instead | 03:00 |
rodarvus | this hasn't changed in the mesa 6.5 transition | 03:00 |
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Kamion | oh, like err ubuntu-desktop | 03:01 |
rodarvus | libgl1-mesa doesn't exists anymore - it was obsoleted by libgl1-mesa-glx | 03:01 |
Kamion | should we be using libgl1-mesa-glx instead? | 03:01 |
Hobbsee | hi rodarvus :) | 03:01 |
Kamion | ok - it does actually exist because I haven't NBS-removed it yet | 03:01 |
Kamion | but right, that answers that question, thanks | 03:01 |
Kamion | I'll go fix the seeds | 03:01 |
rodarvus | Hobbsee, hi! | 03:02 |
rodarvus | Kamion, oh, I forgot to update this in the seeds, sorry :/ | 03:02 |
Hobbsee | rodarvus: i hear you broke something. just when i came home. shameful :P | 03:02 |
rodarvus | (libgl1-mesa was obsoleted about two or three weeks ago, btw, when we merged our mesa to debian's 6.4.2-something) | 03:03 |
rodarvus | Hobbsee, shame on me :) | 03:03 |
Kamion | oh interesting, lsb now depends: libgl1-mesa | libgl1 - fix that and everything else with similar depends and we could probably get rid of that seed workaround | 03:04 |
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ajmitch | rodarvus: xorg drivers will be rebuilt soon? | 03:04 |
sfllaw | Kamion: I prefer Rejecting bugs on Duplicate, because then you can tell the submitter why you've done so. You can't leave a comment when you mark something Duplicate. I suspect that recording state changes might make undoing a lot easier. | 03:05 |
rodarvus | ajmitch, they're being rebuilt right now | 03:05 |
Kamion | sfllaw: I always leave a comment explaining the situation and then mark as duplicate | 03:05 |
rodarvus | actually, they're being uploaded today | 03:05 |
ajmitch | ok | 03:06 |
Kamion | which doesn't seem that difficult - ok, one more web transaction, but so what | 03:06 |
ajmitch | so, once OOo gets through :) | 03:06 |
rodarvus | (I've seen bug 54225 this morning) | 03:06 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 54225 in xorg-server "Dependency relationships allow core and drivers to be out of sync" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54225 | 03:06 |
rodarvus | strange thing is I didn't had this problem locally | 03:06 |
ajmitch | I did on my laptop, but not with the nvidia driver on amd64, strangely enough | 03:06 |
ajmitch | updated Xgl package seems to work alright now | 03:07 |
zul | oh goody...you can test xen on amd64 then ;) | 03:08 |
ajmitch | heh | 03:08 |
ajmitch | that requires rebooting :) | 03:08 |
ajmitch | and going through the pain of getting a root filesystem again | 03:08 |
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madduck | ajmitch: which bug? | 03:13 |
ajmitch | bug 52740 | 03:13 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 52740 in initramfs-tools "[EDGY] Regression: can't boot from lvm root on raid anymore" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52740 | 03:13 |
gnomefreak | x-window-system-core xorg xserver-xorg are not being replaced when upgrade removes them (any reason for this) or just broken? | 03:13 |
ajmitch | and it didn't like the UUID conversion in grub, either | 03:14 |
ajmitch | I think I have to file a separate bug on that | 03:14 |
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jono | hey | 03:15 |
madduck | ajmitch: which initramfs-tools version? which mdadm? | 03:16 |
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madduck | looks like pre-2.5 | 03:16 |
ajmitch | initramfs-tools 0.69ubuntu6, mdadm 2.4.1-6ubuntu1 | 03:17 |
madduck | ok, so it's not related to my recent changes then | 03:17 |
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rodarvus | I'll be back in a few minutes | 03:24 |
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ajmitch | pitti: hm? | 03:25 |
pitti | ajmitch: it's my first time I (try to) use it | 03:25 |
ogra | yeah, its fun ... | 03:25 |
pitti | ajmitch: and it doesn't work... :) | 03:25 |
mvo_ | pitti: its the suck :/ | 03:26 |
ajmitch | ah, it does take a little bit of work :) | 03:26 |
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sladen | wiki is feeling like paint drying today | 03:27 |
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Kamion | * redhat-cluster-suite_2.20060716-0ubuntu4 builds: libdlm-dev, libcman-dev, gnbd-client, libdlm2, rgmanager, redhat-cluster-suite, libcman2, gnbd-server, gfs-tools, cman, gfs2-tools, libccs-dev | 03:30 |
Kamion | but no longer builds: | 03:30 |
Kamion | o 1.20060222-0ubuntu5: ccs, fence, fence-gnbd, gulm, libcman1, libdlm1, libgulm-dev, libgulm1, libmagma-dev, libmagma1, magma, magma-plugins, redhat-cluster-suite-source | 03:30 |
Kamion | fabbione: those (in the last line) are fine to rebuild, right? | 03:30 |
Kamion | er, to remove | 03:31 |
fabbione | Kamion: they should disappear automatically.. they are not part of edgy anymore. | 03:31 |
fabbione | Kamion: be careful not to remove them from dapper :D | 03:31 |
fabbione | Kamion: unfortunatly for an amazing endless chains of events, this is the first time that the suite can build on archive and publishes binaries | 03:32 |
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Hobbsee | pitti: seeing as you're the maintainer. why would English_southafrican translations be installed with language-support-en? is that supposed to happen, or what? | 03:33 |
Kamion | fabbione: "disappear automatically"> the above paste is from the automatic report that needs to be processed manually | 03:33 |
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pitti | Hobbsee: which other language pack would you want instead? | 03:34 |
Kamion | fabbione: (not-built-from-source removals are only semi-automatic) | 03:34 |
Seveas | pitti, -za? | 03:34 |
pitti | Seveas: that's a country, not a language | 03:34 |
Kamion | fabbione: it would require deliberate effort to remove them from dapper :) | 03:34 |
Seveas | true | 03:34 |
pitti | it's l-support-$LANG, not -$COUNTRY | 03:34 |
fabbione | Kamion: ah ok.. the list seems about right :) go ahead | 03:34 |
fabbione | Kamion: well sometimes i am scared because you are a damn errorless too-efficent machine | 03:34 |
Kamion | righto, thanks, I just like to check removals | 03:35 |
Hobbsee | pitti: i was under the impression that south african translation stuff fell under it's own category, and thought it was odd. that's all. | 03:35 |
Kamion | Hobbsee: all the language packs install all variants of the language in question | 03:35 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: so you even get en_NZ to enjoy | 03:36 |
Hobbsee | Kamion: ah okay. i'm no speaker of south african | 03:36 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: enjoy? more like wince thru. you and your x-murdering :P | 03:36 |
Kamion | Hobbsee: South African translation> well, en_ZA (English as spoken in South Africa) is rather different from xh_ZA (Xhosa as spoken in South Africa) | 03:36 |
Kamion | doesn't make sense to lump them together | 03:36 |
Kamion | whereas English in different countries is basically more or less mutually comprehensible | 03:37 |
zul | its like colour color | 03:37 |
Hobbsee | Kamion: ahhh...right...okay then | 03:37 |
Hobbsee | fair enough | 03:37 |
pitti | Hobbsee: -en contains the country specific flavours of all ENglish-speaking countries | 03:37 |
Kamion | South Africa has something like a dozen official languages, IIRC | 03:37 |
Hobbsee | was just a curious question - which is why i went to the maintainer, instead of filing a bug report whinging about it :P | 03:37 |
Hobbsee | Kamion: ahh...didnt know that | 03:37 |
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Hobbsee | pitti: yep, okay, thanks | 03:38 |
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Riddell | Kamion: could you move kopete source to main, the binaries are already in main | 03:41 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: darn you! :P | 03:44 |
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Hobbsee | just for a bit. oh well. | 03:45 |
ogra | Hobbsee, time to go for main then ;) | 03:45 |
Kamion | wow, the temperature here just dropped by several degrees nearly instantaneously | 03:45 |
Kamion | yay storms | 03:45 |
jjesse | ooo big storm | 03:45 |
mjg59 | Hm. | 03:45 |
mjg59 | Air conditioned here, so I haven't noticed anything... | 03:45 |
Hobbsee | ogra: haha. well...yeah...but i wouldnt want to be rejected. | 03:45 |
jjesse | Kamion: were is here? | 03:46 |
Kamion | Riddell: done, sorry Hobbsee | 03:46 |
Kamion | jjesse: Cambridge, England | 03:46 |
jjesse | ah | 03:46 |
Hobbsee | Kamion: :'( okay then. :P | 03:46 |
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Kamion | as Riddell says, the binaries were already in main; it was a bug that the source was in universe | 03:47 |
Hobbsee | Kamion: bleh. true. i know it had to be done. i just liked being able to play with it freely. :) | 03:51 |
CarlFK | edgy alternate - is this message expected? "At the moment, only the core of Debian is installed. To tune the system.... [ ] Ubuntu desktop" http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Jul27/a/edgydebian.png | 03:53 |
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CarlFK | or should I post it to LP | 03:54 |
Kamion | CarlFK: I just fixed that half an hour ago or so | 03:54 |
sladen | CarlFK: that question shouldn't be seen as the priority should be below the threshold | 03:55 |
Kamion | oh yes, didn't notice the Debian bit there, I'll fix that] | 03:55 |
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Kamion | sladen: check your facts kthxbye :-P | 03:55 |
CarlFK | Kamion: glad I asked :) | 03:55 |
Kamion | db_input high $question || true | 03:55 |
Kamion | this is intentional | 03:55 |
Kamion | my fix was to preseed it on non-server CDs, not to drop the priority | 03:55 |
sladen | oh. I. see. | 03:56 |
djbmister | any powerpc devs here?? | 03:56 |
Kamion | djbmister: depends what you're asking | 03:57 |
Kamion | sladen: (see the revive-tasksel spec for more information) | 03:57 |
sabdfl | robertj: the Avahi decision certainly belongs with the tech board, not with me | 03:57 |
djbmister | Well its releated to the kernel 2.6.15 kernel and chrp systems | 03:57 |
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djbmister | In particular the 'Pegasos motherboard' or ODW as its known | 03:58 |
bddebian | Heya | 03:59 |
Kamion | I'm not familiar with kernel issues involving the Pegasos, unfortunately | 03:59 |
djbmister | The issue regarding this kernel, is that from a compile from source it just doesn't work. 2.6.17 from edgy does work | 04:00 |
Kamion | best to file a bug on launchpad about it, and/or ask on #ubuntu-kernel | 04:00 |
CarlFK | Kamion: can you take a quick look at bug #53699 - "untriaged" makes me think it stalled :) | 04:00 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 53699 in Ubuntu "installer - names not resolving" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53699 | 04:00 |
bddebian | Hah, where's madduck | 04:00 |
bddebian | hamlib (1.2.5-7) unstable; urgency=low | 04:00 |
bddebian | . | 04:00 |
bddebian | * Update to new python policy | 04:00 |
bddebian | * Update standards version 3.7.2 | 04:00 |
bddebian | * This work by Barry deFreese of Ubuntu, thanks! Closes: #379191. | 04:00 |
djbmister | ok, thanks | 04:00 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: nice! does it work? | 04:01 |
Kamion | sorry I can't help more directly | 04:01 |
Kamion | CarlFK: I totally ignore untriaged, unconfirmed, etc. | 04:01 |
djbmister | no probs | 04:01 |
bddebian | Hobbsee: I just got the mail this morning so I haven't built it yet | 04:01 |
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Hobbsee | bddebian: okay | 04:01 |
Kamion | CarlFK: in this case though I simply didn't see it because it wasn't filed on the installer | 04:01 |
sladen | Kamion: thanks for picking me up on that :) | 04:02 |
djbmister | Just a quick question, nothing to do with the kernel or anything. I'm creating a custom ubuntu cd for the ppc platform and im just wondering, how do i change the default background wallpaper etc etc?? | 04:03 |
Kamion | CarlFK: replied, anyway | 04:03 |
CarlFK | Kamion: thanks | 04:04 |
Chipzz | ugh | 04:09 |
Chipzz | X broken in edgy :( | 04:09 |
dholbach | could somebody add some blurb about X to the topic? :) | 04:14 |
ajmitch | dholbach: like "don't ask, it's being fixed"? | 04:15 |
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:ogra] : "Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs" | blurb about X | ||
dholbach | "it will be broken for a while, stick to dapper" or something | 04:15 |
ogra | :P | 04:15 |
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:ogra] : "Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs" | yes X in edgy is broken atm | ||
ogra | :) | 04:16 |
ajmitch | slightly more useful :) | 04:16 |
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bddebian | madduck: I was just prodding you. We give back on occasion. ;-P | 04:19 |
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sivang | dholbach: rather put a link to a work around? :) | 04:20 |
madduck | bddebian: you got the wrong impression. :) | 04:20 |
bddebian | madduck: About? | 04:20 |
madduck | nevermind. | 04:21 |
Kamion | bddebian: I think he means he's not always as negative about Ubuntu as you thought | 04:22 |
ajmitch | sivang: depends what your breakage is - the most likely cause is needing the video drivers to be recompiled | 04:23 |
sivang | ajmitch: ah, then I'm using FOSS ones all over, hopefully I will be able to reboot after todays' upgrade | 04:23 |
ajmitch | sivang: the FOSS ones are the problem | 04:24 |
sivang | hrm, okay, so no reboot for me for now :) | 04:24 |
bddebian | Kamion: Oh, I didn't mean to imply that madduck is negative about Ubuntu, I was just giving him grief about his blog entry :-) | 04:26 |
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madduck | bddebian: because that blog entry was something to give me grief over? | 04:28 |
Chipzz | ok, which version of X broke? with some luck I still have the debs and I can downgrade? | 04:29 |
tseng | Chipzz: see the topic. | 04:30 |
Chipzz | tseng: I know it is broken, I want to downgrade, but in order to do that, I need to know to which version | 04:30 |
thom | Chipzz: check your dpkg log and seee what got upgraded | 04:30 |
Chipzz | thom: I do not reboot after every upgrade; this could have been broken for weeks | 04:31 |
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thom | hey mate :-) | 04:31 |
pitti | hi thom | 04:31 |
tseng | thom: (typo 4.0 weee!) | 04:31 |
madduck | thom: will you be in cambridge on aug26 ? | 04:31 |
bddebian | madduck: Of course. :-) Actually I wanted to comment on it but didn't get the opportunity | 04:31 |
thom | tseng: oh really? shiny | 04:31 |
madduck | bddebian: my inbox is oepn! :) | 04:31 |
thom | madduck: um. | 04:31 |
thom | madduck: i moved to .nl recently, so it's possible but dunno | 04:32 |
madduck | thom: sorry. :) | 04:32 |
madduck | thom: http://wiki.earth.li/DebianParty2006 | 04:32 |
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tseng | thom: http://scottstuff.net/blog/articles/2006/07/22/typo-4-0-0 | 04:33 |
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thom | tseng: nifteh. /me upgrades | 04:46 |
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tseng | thom: ive been using svn all this time. | 04:51 |
thom | i've been on some dubious svn export for a while | 04:52 |
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ogra | iwj, would you mind taking a last look at SCPC, as i wrote in y mail from yesterday, i think its all adressed now, i can ask sb. else if you dont have the time, but would like to have it approved before the meeting (promised that to Kamion) | 04:55 |
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zul | mvo: do you still have that grub bootsplash patch that you did? | 05:25 |
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setuid | I've put together an advisory council (at IBM). I'm looking to backfill some alternates, and am looking for recommendations for 3 seats. Are there people within Ubuntu/Canonical that I should consider? | 05:25 |
setuid | Its called the Linux on POWER Advisory Council, where we'd be sharing some pre-release info for comments, criticism and other ideas before we release it to the OSS community. | 05:25 |
mdz | Kamion: do you have a todo list for the dapper point release? | 05:26 |
mdz | Kamion: I think we should do the live CD file order optimization | 05:26 |
Kamion | I wasn't going to attempt optimisations in it ... | 05:28 |
Kamion | that said, it might well fall out of the livefs build script changes anyway | 05:29 |
Kamion | so I don't object if somebody wants to put time into collecting the sort files | 05:29 |
Kamion | mdz: my to-do list is about to be largely cleared by way of the mail I'm about to send you about ubiquity | 05:29 |
Kamion | we should clear out the unapproved queue too - there are half a dozen or so items in it | 05:30 |
seb128 | Riddell: around? | 05:38 |
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Riddell | seb128: hi | 05:40 |
seb128 | Riddell: for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEasyZeroconf, do you use the message mentionned on the wiki page? it doesn't look like according to the patch but I might be looking at the wrong place | 05:40 |
seb128 | the "Enabling Avahi Zeroconf will open port..." | 05:40 |
Riddell | seb128: oh I need to add that, thanks for reminding me | 05:41 |
seb128 | Riddell: no problem :) | 05:41 |
Riddell | seb128: feel free to edit the wiki page and add the port number, then I won't have to look it up | 05:42 |
seb128 | Riddell: ok. I've to run now for an hour but I'll do that later if you didn't do it first, thank you | 05:42 |
Kamion | setuid: might be worth asking the Ubuntu technical board for recommendations, if you have time? http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 05:44 |
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shellsage | Hi, I've been googling for about an hour for this and nothing is coming up. Where might I find the ubuntu livecd/installcd source? | 05:46 |
shellsage | Am I supposed to unpack the ISO? | 05:46 |
shellsage | Or is there an archive of it | 05:47 |
setuid | Kamion, I'm going to explore that now, pygi pointed me that direction | 05:47 |
Kamion | shellsage: source for what exactly? everything? | 05:47 |
shellsage | Kamion, everything one would receive on the livecd/installcd | 05:47 |
shellsage | Including the bootable image | 05:48 |
Kamion | shellsage: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/source/ has ISOs of the source | 05:48 |
Kamion | shellsage: it's also all in the archive (archive.ubuntu.com), available using 'apt-get source'# | 05:48 |
Kamion | s/#// | 05:48 |
shellsage | Kamion, thanks | 05:48 |
shellsage | Also, should I submit a bounty proposal for my project idea? I want to write a branch of ubuntu called crybuntu, that from installation, uses encrypted partitions via cryptsetup-luks, with some neat features like storing the system key on a usb stick. | 05:50 |
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Kamion | shellsage: not to rain on your parade but I suspect we're going to get a lot of that via Debian quite soon ... | 05:50 |
Kamion | (partman-crypto) | 05:50 |
Kamion | dunno where the system key lives, though | 05:51 |
shellsage | Kamion, oh, I thought that it would be great to have it all in one project/installable CD like that | 05:51 |
Kamion | you'd be welcome to help with that in Edgy if you're interested - I just need to put together main inclusion reports and stuff for the new bits | 05:51 |
shellsage | So that people could instantly have an encrypted system | 05:51 |
Kamion | right, I believe we're going to have that in mainline | 05:51 |
shellsage | Oh ok | 05:51 |
Kamion | although I confess to not having looked over the code yet | 05:51 |
Kamion | probably alternate install CD only for now | 05:51 |
shellsage | Yes I'd like to help with that then, I've already done it on my gentoo system, and it works very well | 05:52 |
Kamion | I'm going to try to get the bits into main for Edgy Knot 2 | 05:52 |
Kamion | (second milestone release) | 05:52 |
shellsage | right | 05:52 |
shellsage | so is it going to be an option of the installer on the livecd, to encrypt the partitions? | 05:53 |
shellsage | or is it just a separate package that encrypts the partitions post-install | 05:53 |
shellsage | via some secure data displacement | 05:54 |
Kamion | shellsage: an option in the installer's partitioner, not on the live CD, on the alternate install CD | 05:54 |
shellsage | ah ok | 05:54 |
Kamion | the live CD can be done too in the longer term but that's dependent on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubiquity-advanced-partitioner and I don't have any time to do more than the basics on that | 05:55 |
Kamion | (for edgy) | 05:55 |
shellsage | ah | 05:55 |
shellsage | I'm reading the wiki entry for partman now on the debian installer | 05:55 |
Kamion | shellsage: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PartmanCrypto if you haven't found that | 05:57 |
Kamion | "Keyfiles on removable media" is under future plans I see | 05:57 |
shellsage | Kamion, yeah I'm onto the SVN now, having trouble understanding the heirarchy though | 05:58 |
shellsage | I'm not very familiar with the layout of the final.d stuff | 05:58 |
shellsage | finish.d* | 05:58 |
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janimo | infinity: do you know why xubuntu desktop CD still gets older packages? (xubuntu-live 2.4 vs 2.6, libgoffice-gtk-1-2 vs 0-3) | 05:58 |
janimo | results in oversized ISOs | 05:59 |
infinity | janimo: Cause I need to re-enable dailies. I'll do that now. | 05:59 |
Kamion | shellsage: it does assume general familiarity with partman; 'svn co svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk/installer/doc/devel/partman' and 'make' in the resulting checkout to get the partman documentation | 05:59 |
janimo | infinity: so if a CD gets oversized it is no longer builkt on subsequent days? | 05:59 |
Kamion | shellsage: it's not the clearest documentation in the world, though | 05:59 |
Kamion | janimo: no, all the dailies were switched off for Knot 1 and never reenabled until now | 05:59 |
infinity | janimo: No, the daily livefs cronjobs have never been enabled for edgy. Doing that right now. | 05:59 |
janimo | infinity, kamion: ok, thanks. Seeing daily isos come out the past days I though they were basedon updated livefs as well. | 06:01 |
shellsage | Kamion, thanks, I'm going to look into it. I thought this was a great idea so hopefully I'll be able to contribute, at least the usb key thing. | 06:02 |
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shellsage | It'd be incredible to be able to just up and quickly install encrypted systems | 06:02 |
setuid | Kamion, I can't seem to find the TB mailing list. Any idea? | 06:02 |
Kamion | setuid: scheduling stuff for discussion is done by adding it to the wiki page and showing up to the next meeting | 06:03 |
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Kamion | janimo: nah, I enabled the cdimage cron jobs, but that crontab is independent from the livefs ones on the buildds | 06:04 |
setuid | I want to send a blanket message to the TB members, not spam, but soliciting some input. | 06:04 |
bddebian | How do most of you main types feel about your Universe merges? Do you care if I just do them or leave them for you? | 06:04 |
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Gloubiboulga | dholbach, seb128, do you know if we'll get the new xklavier in edgy, or if we'll keep xklavier11? | 06:20 |
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dholbach | Gloubiboulga: is there a new version of libxklavier? | 06:22 |
Gloubiboulga | dholbach, not a stable one, but Jani told me that the newt one might be part of gnome 2.16 | 06:22 |
dholbach | Gloubiboulga: nothing requires it yet and it so that'd only be gnome-control-center | 06:23 |
Gloubiboulga | ok | 06:23 |
dholbach | Gloubiboulga: i'm not familiar enough with that codebase to judge, but as they're in api/etc freeze now, i guess not | 06:23 |
Gloubiboulga | dholbach, ok, thanks :) | 06:23 |
dholbach | Gloubiboulga: we might figure that we'll be happier with 7.1 and a new libxklavier, but i don't know | 06:23 |
dholbach | i mean xorg7.1 | 06:24 |
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infinity | Kamion: livefs dailes are re-enabled for i386/powerpc/amd64.... I'm not turning them on for the other arches (yet), due to disk space concernes, and a pending move to squashfs for all of them. | 06:33 |
infinity | concerns, too. | 06:33 |
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Kamion | infinity: cool, thanks | 06:37 |
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wasabi | Hmm. Some update killed alsa. | 06:39 |
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bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 06:41 |
LaserJock | hi bddebian | 06:42 |
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mhb | hello to all | 06:42 |
bddebian | Hello mhb | 06:43 |
zul | hey lj | 06:43 |
mhb | I talked with someone in this channel a few feeks ago about the translations of Edgy in Rosetta | 06:43 |
mhb | (weeks) | 06:43 |
mhb | Well, I was informed it should take no longer than a few weeks, but nothing has happened since then, so here I am again :o) | 06:44 |
mhb | Does anyone know more about the start of Edgy translations? | 06:45 |
LaserJock | mhb: I don't know, but you would probably get a better answer from the translators mailing list (it's on lists.ubuntu.com) | 06:47 |
mhb | LaserJock: you think someone else than translators are signed in it? | 06:48 |
mhb | LaserJock: I read that ML, by the way. | 06:49 |
mhb | LaserJock: because it's not a question exactly for translators | 06:49 |
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mhb | LaserJock: but okay, I'll try it :o) | 06:53 |
LaserJock | mhb: sorry, was away for a sec. I think that the admins would also read the list so it is probably the most appropriate place to ask. I'm sure other translators are interested too. | 06:57 |
mhb | LaserJock: we'll see :o) | 06:58 |
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seb128 | Gloubiboulga: why do you want it? | 07:46 |
Gloubiboulga | seb128, I don't want it, I'll certainly try to write a tool to manage keyboard layouts using xklavier | 07:47 |
seb128 | Gloubiboulga: xkb things are usually easy enough to break to not touch them for an unstable version if not required | 07:47 |
Gloubiboulga | seb128, I'm fine with the current xklavier, I just don't want to start something with the new one and have to rewrite everything later :) | 07:48 |
seb128 | Gloubiboulga: we have 2.91 which is the new API,ABI one | 07:48 |
seb128 | Gloubiboulga: it has been updated during the GNOME 2.15 cycle | 07:49 |
Gloubiboulga | ah right... | 07:52 |
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bddebian | bbiam | 08:03 |
lfittl | q | 08:03 |
lfittl | argh, sry | 08:03 |
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bddebian | re | 09:47 |
Burgwork | greetings bddebian | 09:50 |
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bddebian | Heya Burgwork | 09:50 |
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pitti | Hi | 10:23 |
Burgwork | hey pitti | 10:24 |
bddebian | Hello pitti | 10:25 |
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djbmister | Can anyone answer my question regarding a customised livecd of ubuntu | 10:49 |
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plastictabs | anyone alive? | 11:39 |
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Burgwork | hmm, he stuck around a long time, eh tseng? | 11:40 |
tseng | Burgwork: im home | 11:41 |
tseng | oh, heh | 11:41 |
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Burgwork | makes Viper550 seem like a positive elephant | 11:41 |
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Amaranth | Burgwork: ? | 11:44 |
Burgwork | Amaranth, viper550 has a habit of flitting in and out of -desktop | 11:44 |
Amaranth | ah | 11:44 |
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tseng | Burgwork: viper brings a few more infuriating traits to the table | 11:50 |
pitti | mvo: yay, with the new update manager and my latest package the crash reporting gui now works just wonderfully | 11:50 |
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Burgwork | tseng, meh | 11:50 |
tseng | posting my ideas as his own, then when flamed claiming I made him say it | 11:50 |
tseng | is the current winner. | 11:50 |
mvo | pitti: great news :) | 11:51 |
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doko | pitti: -> #ubuntu-toolchain ... | 11:53 |
Burgwork | pitti, is apport generic enough to run on other distros? | 11:59 |
pitti | Burgwork: mostly yes | 12:00 |
pitti | Burgwork: the Ubuntu specific bits are (1) our kernel's crash dump helper hook and (2) update-notifier calling apport-gtk when it senses (via inotify) a new report | 12:01 |
pitti | Burgwork: (1) can be solved by using a glibc patch or a preloaded library | 12:01 |
pitti | Burgwork: and (2) needs an alternative implementation, of course | 12:01 |
Burgwork | pitti, just thinking about it, because GNOME is talking about bug reporting currently | 12:01 |
pitti | Burgwork: but the data collection and the frontend are not ubuntu specific | 12:01 |
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