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Lie_ExI've uploaded kalzium's po(zh_CN) to launchpad.net for three times,but all failed...Could anyone please tell me why?02:46
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crimsunLie_Ex: try asking in #launchpad02:53
Lie_Excrimsun: Well...I do.02:53
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wasabi_zeroconf zeroconf zeroconf.03:06
wasabi_*faint*03:06
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Keybukmdz: I can't find any evidence of a MoM bug in firefox03:18
Keybukcasey firefox-1.99+2.0b1+dfsg-1ubuntu1% md5sum browser/base/branding/about.png*03:18
Keybuk6d3d82c09be331c2378ba8757e3ca3cb  browser/base/branding/about.png.DEBIAN03:18
Keybuk5f7d44ff7cbd1dbccc9dda0bd0a30f5c  browser/base/branding/about.png.UBUNTU03:18
Keybuk0e36645b0e1673028db0c66487ed377f  security/nss/cmd/pk11util/scripts/pkey.DEBIAN03:18
Keybuk6978db5da7e4fd6227dee37e4eacd8cd  security/nss/cmd/pk11util/scripts/pkey.UBUNTU03:18
Keybuketc.03:18
Keybukthey really are different in Debian and Ubuntu03:18
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mdzKeybuk: hmm, perhaps we moved to a new upstream version ahead of Debian?03:19
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Keybukthat often happens03:20
mdzwe surely didn't modify those files explicitly03:20
bddebianHowdy03:20
mdzseems like we should be able to exclude them somehow03:20
Keybukactually, sorry03:20
Keybukwe must have modified them03:20
Keybukwe have something that claims to be the "2nd ubuntu revision" of a version that exists in Debian03:21
Keybukmaybe there is a MoM bug here somewhere03:22
mjg59Why has gksu suddenly started offering to save my password?03:23
mdzmjg59:that hang on my laptop turned out to be unrelated to vbesave specifically03:24
Keybukoh03:24
KeybukMoM is just entirely missing code to cope with that ;)03:24
mdzit just seems to hang most of the time, more often if stuff is running in the background03:24
ajmitchmjg59: xgl is built, just can't find font 'fixed' 03:24
Keybukit copes with non-files properly, just not binary files03:24
ajmitcheven with the right font path given to it03:24
mjg59mdz: Fun03:32
Keybukmdz: ok, fixed03:32
mdzKeybuk: thanks03:32
mjg59ajmitch: It's looking in /usr/share/X11/fonts, rather than /usr/share/fonts/X1103:32
mjg59Or something03:33
mdzmjg59: it seems to be triggered by something the gdm greeter  does; I can startx without trouble03:33
mjg59Probably needs a configure option03:33
mjg59mdz: Hrm03:33
Keybukmdz: it was just noticing that debian and ubuntu had different binary files, and not taking the base into account03:33
mdzI guess I'll try disabling some acceleration when I have time to play with it03:33
mjg59mdz: Why does your machine ahve to have all these weird bugs03:33
Keybukso now it won't conflict if it was only modified on one side03:33
mdzmjg59: does it?03:33
mdzthis is my T42, which is generally well-behaved03:33
mjg59There was the laptop-mode crashing madness03:34
ajmitchmjg59: yes, --with-fontdir=\$${prefix}/share/fonts/X11, which I have03:34
mjg59ajmitch: strace it and see where it's looking?03:34
ajmitchsetting -fp when running it has no effect either03:34
ajmitchwill try03:34
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ajmitchlooking in the right place, for the file that's not there. I thought mkfontdir would have created fonts.alias03:36
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mdzmjg59: a lot of people had that one03:46
gnomefreakis there a known issue with latest 2.6.17-5 images/restricted mods?03:48
bddebianDoes it make sense for us to add a build-dep for sharutils just to get uudecode to add an icon?03:59
infinitybddebian: Yes.04:00
infinitybddebian: Alternately, distribute the icons as SVGs, and add a build-dep on librsvg2-bin to convert them to PNGs during the build.04:03
infinity(Assuming you have SVG originals)04:03
bddebianNot xpms?04:03
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whiprushhey canonical folk, does silbs irc or is she email-only?04:03
infinityYou could convert to XPM if you want, but they'll end up very ugly.04:03
infinitywhiprush: She IRCs.  The fact that you named her base don her IRC nick should confirm that. :)04:04
infinitys/base don/based on/04:04
whiprushinfinity: well, last I saw her was like, 2 years ago. :)04:04
infinityShe's on every day.  She just doesn't stay connected when not at work, like the rest of us freaks.04:04
whiprushheh04:04
whiprushinfinity: welcome back btw.04:05
infinityAnd since it's 3am there...04:05
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fabbionemorning04:11
fabbioneinfinity: could you please give back redhat-cluster-suite ?04:12
bddebianHello fabbione04:13
fabbionelo04:13
mdzfabbione: the meeting while I was away was 1500 UTC, right? so the next one 2300 UTC?04:25
fabbionemdz: yes, so it seemd04:25
fabbioneseems04:25
mdzok, thanks04:25
fabbionemdz: no problem04:25
fabbionemdz: how does it feel to be back home?04:25
mdzfabbione: tired04:25
fabbionemdz: i bet... 04:26
fabbionemdz: today might be the day :)04:26
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infinityfabbione: Sure.05:05
fabbioneinfinity: thanks!05:05
infinityfabbione: Appears to have built okay on amd64.  Should build everywhere else if/when doko stops uploading OpenOffice every 20 minutes.05:10
fabbioneinfinity: perfect thanks. I am pretty sure it will build everywhere05:10
fabbioneit was a matter of other pkgs being broken before05:10
infinityia64 worked too, so yeah.05:10
fabbioneit might fail on sparc05:11
fabbioneopenais doesn't build because of l-k-h05:11
infinityOh, that's okay, we don't care about sparc, do we? :)05:11
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fabbione;)05:11
fabbionespeaking of which05:11
fabbionesomebody will need to look at all recent FTBFS and prepare a collection for Ben05:12
fabbioneso he can fix stuff up on monday05:12
fabbioneit's extremely unlikely i will be around from today/tomorrow05:12
infinityAs in, recent FTBFS that are the fault of l-k-h?05:12
fabbioneyes05:12
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infinityI was going to do another mass-give-back after the OpenOffice-fest is over, so I can keep an eye out.05:12
fabbioneinfinity: that would be lovely.05:13
fabbioneinfinity: i expect to be away about 2 weeks05:13
fabbionebut i need people to look after my stuff while i am away05:13
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infinityTollef's off too, honeymoon.05:13
fabbionei know05:13
fabbionepoor guy05:13
fabbionehe is going to eat the most poisoining food in his life ever05:14
infinityNo, no.  The honeymoon is good.  It's the 50 years after that...05:14
zulaka purgatory05:14
infinityBut I'm not bitter.05:14
fabbione25 years.. you usually don't want to live that long after05:14
fabbionezul: it's called hell :)05:14
zulfabbione: thats another word for it05:15
infinityfabbione: So, are they inducing, or has she finally gone into labour?05:15
fabbionezul: in bibble, purgatory is less painful than hell :)05:15
fabbioneinfinity: they are inducing.. in about 3 hours05:15
ajmitchwhen is tollef away?05:15
zulfabbione: dont they eat your brains05:15
infinityfabbione: Fun.  Good luck!05:15
fabbioneinfinity: thanks mate.05:16
infinityajmitch: From Friday evening until the sprint in Germany.05:16
bddebianfabbione: You are having a child? (Well your wife?)05:16
zulfabbione: good luck..05:16
fabbionebddebian: well as everybody know by now.. only the mother is *always* certain, despites some bad jokes about it05:16
ajmitchinfinity: right, I'll have to catch up with him asap then05:16
fabbionezul: thanks05:16
bddebianfabbione: Awesome, congratulations05:17
fabbionethanks05:17
fabbioneinfinity: anyway, they start the induction today.. but it might take up till monday05:18
bddebianYou should have asked, I could have just given you one of my 3 ;-P05:18
fabbioneinfinity: so i might be around a few days more05:18
fabbioneFANCY! new dlmfs builds!05:19
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fabbioneinfinity: can you also NEW the binaries from the redhat-cluster-suite?05:29
fabbioneinfinity: i would like to upload the new lvm2 to complete the libdlm1 -> libdlm2 transition05:30
infinityfabbione: Does it have a proper versioned build-dep, so it'll dep-wait on the arches that don't have the new binaries yet?05:31
fabbioneit's versioned B-D but just to make sure it foes in05:31
fabbioneyes it will05:31
fabbioneand it does05:31
infinityAlright.05:32
infinityI'll NEW amd64/ia64, then.05:32
fabbionejust to make sure somebody NEW it05:32
infinitygfs2-tools to main?05:32
fabbioneyes please05:32
fabbioneit's a redhat-cluster-suite Depends:05:32
fabbioneand the former is in main05:32
fabbionewe did kill quite a bunch of binaries05:32
infinityOkay, it's in on amd64/powerpc/ia64, apparently.05:33
infinityDone.05:33
fabbionethanks perfect05:33
fabbioneoh actually openais did build on sparc05:34
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fabbioneinfinity: is there any special reason why lvm2 was never built on edgy since mvo's merge?05:58
fabbioneit's in needs-build but never scheduled?05:58
fabbioneno biggie.. new version is hitting archive now, just curious05:59
infinityfabbione: I'd assume it's in a dep-wait loop.06:00
fabbioneok06:00
fabbionelet see if it solves itself06:00
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pittiGood morning07:07
pittiinfinity: any chance to stop the ruby1.8 breezy-security sparc build?07:09
pittiinfinity: it keeps spamming me with failed log files07:09
fabbioneinfinity: can you please promote libcman-dev and libcman2 to main? MIR is not required. B-D for lvm2 and source is already in main07:10
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sladenelmo: /usplash_fifo appears because the return code of chdir() isn't checked to see whether it succeeded.08:23
sladensfllaw: it's important to mention a timezone when stating times!  :)08:30
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pittihey md09:15
pittihey mdz09:15
mdzmorning09:15
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pittimdz: ah, back to home, sweet home?09:16
mdzyes09:16
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mdzbut not home-sweet-$TZ09:16
pittiUnifyWorldTimezonesSpec09:17
jsgotangcolol09:17
mdzit looks like xserver-xorg-core is out of sync with xserver-xorg-video-*09:18
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bluefoxicymdz, pitti:  Any news on if that patch I sent is going to make it to backports or updates?09:19
pittibluefoxicy: patch? sent? me know nothing09:20
mdzI replied to you last week09:20
pittiah, gnutls?09:20
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bluefoxicymdz:  you said you were going to send it to pitti and go with wherever he sticks it, which is fine with me09:20
bluefoxicyI'm just curious as to where it went.09:20
pittibluefoxicy: ah, I see; sorry, I didn't reply yet09:21
mdzthat isn't quite how I put it, but yes, I asked for his opinion09:21
pittibluefoxicy, mdz: my feeling is that we shouldn't do potentially disruptive changes in such a central library for dapper09:21
pittidoing it in edgy is fine09:21
pittibut we have seen in SSP that even changes which are meant to be transparent can cause troubles09:21
bluefoxicyi.e. it's going nowhere.09:21
pittibluefoxicy: gnutls13 is already fine?09:22
bluefoxicypitti:  libgcrypt11 o.o I never sent a patch for gnutls09:22
pittiah, gcrypt09:22
bluefoxicyI sent a dpatch that adds --enable-noexecstack to the ./configure for that09:23
pittibluefoxicy: so, why not apply it to edgy?09:23
bluefoxicyit's in edgy09:23
pittiah, indeed09:24
bluefoxicythe version in edgy has other changes though09:24
bluefoxicywhich is why I made a dpatch for just that for dapper; my intent is to get the executable stacks off gaim, thunderbird, firefox, vino-server, and a few other things.  Nothing more, nothing less.09:25
pittibluefoxicy: btw, configure options are in debian/rules and shuold be applied directly, not in a patch09:26
bluefoxicyit is in debian/rules09:26
bluefoxicythe dpatch patches debian/rules09:26
bluefoxicyor something09:26
bluefoxicywhatever it's called, debdiff09:26
bluefoxicysome command tseng told me to run09:26
pittibluefoxicy: ok, since it is in edgy for a while and apparently didn't break anything, hmm..09:27
pittibluefoxicy: ah, debdiff09:27
bluefoxicyI honestly don't remember anymore :)09:27
pittibluefoxicy: debdiff between two .dsc files gives you a diff -Nur between the two sources09:27
pittiso you probably mean that09:27
bluefoxicyyeah that's what I did09:27
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bluefoxicyat any rate, I'll leave that up to you to figure out09:29
bluefoxicyit's 4am here and I'm going to sleep before my brain asplode.09:30
pittigood night, sleep well!09:31
mdza dpatch patching debian/rules generally doesn't do what you want09:33
pittimdz: what was supposed to mean s/dpatch/debdiff/09:33
mdzoh09:33
pittiI'm a bit nervous about it TBH09:34
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pittiKamion: if you have a minute, could you please free apport from NEW?09:38
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jdublamont: wow, milter support in postfix!09:47
SeveasKamion, darn, I finally had a reply to  an ubiquity bug correct, turns out you're just ahead of me 09:48
desrtSeveas; how do you type that character?09:48
Amaranthdesrt: it's katakana09:49
desrtAmaranth; i know09:49
Amaranthdesrt: gucharmap :)09:49
desrti want to know how he physically uses his keyboard to produce it09:49
Amaranthor a custom keymap09:49
desrtsince i assume he doesn't use gcharmap every time he wants to smile :)09:49
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Kamionpitti: apport accepted09:51
KamionSeveas: eh09:51
Kamionheh09:51
Kamionpitti: there's a random .pyc in the source package - maybe a missing clean rule?09:51
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Kamionpitti: and a random master-slave.diff too09:52
pittiKamion: oh, I'll clean the .pyc in the next version, thanks09:52
dholbachgood morning09:53
Seveasmornin' dholbach 09:54
dholbachhey Seveas09:54
Seveasseen Ubugtu's spam feature yet?09:54
dholbachah no, not yet09:55
KamionSeveas: (for the record I would prefer duplicates not to be Rejected as a general rule, just marked as duplicate - marking them Rejected makes it more effort to clean up in the event that a mistake is made)09:56
Kamionthere's no need to reject them because Malone doesn't show duplicates by default anyway09:56
Seveasack09:56
Kamionthanks09:56
Seveassfllaw really should work on collecting such info and making guidelines -- most people reject duplicates and if that should not be done for a subset of packages that should be noted somewhere 09:58
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dholbachin gnome land we reject duplicates as well09:59
Kamionthe fad of rejecting duplicates is relatively recent, I think09:59
Kamiondholbach: but there's no way to mark a bug as duplicate in bugzilla without rejecting it, is there?09:59
Kamionwell, resolved/duplicate09:59
Kamionbugzilla doesn't have a real mark as duplicate, so the situation isn't comparable IMO09:59
dholbachKamion: in bugzilla, no - it's resolved as duplicate, yes10:00
dholbachoh, i meant in "ubuntu gnome" land10:00
dholbach"ubuntu desktop... something" land10:00
Kamionin a bug tracking system that has a real mark-as-duplicate, it seems odd to me to do further status changes10:00
Kamiondholbach: oh, ok10:00
dholbachi'll go out to buy a fan later today10:00
Seveasthe bug tracking system should keep status changes of duplicate bugs in sync imo10:01
Kamionit's not so bad if it's the maintainer doing it I guess, but if other helpers are doing it then the chance of incorrect duplicate-markings is higher10:01
KamionSeveas: it would have to remember the original status and snap it back if you unmarked-duplicate10:01
Seveasgood one10:01
Kamionseems like a lot of complexity for not a lot of gain, but shrug10:02
KamionI guess some users do get confused by the status on duplicates - easy bit of education to do though10:02
sivangmorning10:08
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dholbachhey mvo!10:09
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dholbachhey carlos10:09
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sivanghi mvo 10:09
mvogood morning!10:09
sivangcarlos, et al10:09
mvohello sivang!10:09
carloshe dudes!10:10
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hungerWCould the damn fstab upgrade script please leave my fstab alone? I have fixed it three times now.10:24
hungerWSame is true for my grub settings: I do not have a automatic kernel list, it would be nice if that wouldn't get added all the time behind my back.10:24
SeveashungerW, hack for the latter: update-grub sources /etc/default/grub, put 'exit 0' in there10:29
SeveashungerW, and afaik the fstab update script (I assume you mean the one in edgy) is supposed to be neccessary -- if it fails to do the right thing for you, you should file a bug10:30
Kamionit shouldn't upgrade more than oonce ...10:34
Kamiononce10:34
\shpitti: ping10:34
Kamion        if dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt "093-0ubuntu5"; then10:34
Kamion            mount_by_uuid_conversion10:34
Kamion        fi10:34
Kamionlooks right to me10:35
pitti\sh: pong10:36
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hungerWSeveas: I did file a bug about exactly this issue yesterday.10:37
hungerWSeveas: Please do not get me wrong: I do not mind fixing something... I am using a unstable distribution after all.10:38
hungerWSeveas: But fixing the same thing that break my boot three times in a one day is a bit annoying.10:38
Seveastrue that10:38
KamionhungerW: where's the bug?10:39
Seveaswhat's the bugnumber -- I don't recall seeing that bug10:39
Seveasand I've worked all night (90 minutes sleep) to get over the bug backlog10:39
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cbx33hi guys, is there a look and feel summary for edgy anywhere?10:39
hungerWSeveas: #5400210:40
Seveascbx33, wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork is what comes closest10:40
Seveasbug 5400310:40
Seveasbug 5400210:40
UbugtuMalone bug 54003 in udev "fstab conversion uses UUIDs for drives that are formatted on reboot" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5400310:40
UbugtuMalone bug 54002 in udev "No need to convert LVM volumes to UUIDs" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5400210:40
cbx33Seveas: that's what I thought you'd day10:40
hungerWSeveas: Basically a wishlist bug...10:40
KamionhungerW: what did you do in between those three times?10:40
hungerWKamion: Upgrade:-)10:40
KamionhungerW: as in, did you upgrade something that tried to do the conversion again? if so, what?10:40
KamionhungerW: /var/log/dpkg.log may help10:41
hungerWKamion: I did upgrade everything. And I guess that this script did not see any UUIDs in my fstab and assumes it has to build them into my system again.10:41
KamionhungerW: the fact that the conversion is done multiple times would be a dpkg bug10:41
Kamioner?10:41
Kamionsorry, brain<->fingers disconnect10:41
KamionhungerW: the fact that the conversion is done multiple times would be a separate bug10:41
hungerWKamion: Which breaks the boot as the UUIDs change on reboot!10:42
KamionhungerW: no, the conversion's only supposed to be done once at all10:42
Kamionit doesn't check whether there are UUIDs there - it checks whether it's upgraded to the version in which the conversion was introduced10:42
hungerWKamion: Which is the reason I have not used them before:-)10:42
Kamionplease file a bug about the conversion being done multiple times, and attach /var/log/dpkg.log - try to identify roughly what times the conversion happened10:42
Kamionwell, the last few days' worth of dpkg.log, anyway10:43
hungerWKamion: Which package has the conversion script?10:43
Kamionsource package is udev10:43
Kamionoh, I see, the conversion script was moved to volumeid10:44
KamionI suppose that would explain it happening twice, but not three times10:44
hungerWKamion: Is there supposed to be data in /var/log/dpkg.log?10:44
hungerWKamion: I should file a bug about that file always being empty then:-|10:45
Kamionare you absolutely sure it happened three times? if it was twice, then I know why that happened and it only affects a few people who upgraded through edgy10:45
Kamionand it's probably not worth the painful complexity of trying to fix it10:45
Kamion-rw-r----- 1 root adm 913817 2006-07-27 08:28 /var/log/dpkg.log10:45
Kamionit might look empty if you're not in the adm group10:45
hungerWKamion: I am sure it happened three times. The first was yesterday morning (with a message claiming that it will do so).10:46
hungerWKamion: I fixed it then. In the afternoon I had to reboot and fix the issue again.10:46
hungerWKamion: And when I booted just now I saw the same problem again.10:46
hungerWKamion: I can not garantee that I didn't do something stupid in the meantime;-)10:47
hungerWKamion: Maybe it was my fault. I don't know.10:47
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KamionhungerW: I'm not trying to suggest it was your fault, just trying to nail down what happened10:54
Kamionhmm, the conversion should exit if there's already an /etc/fstab.pre-uuid10:54
KamionI'll suggest that to Keybuk - that would avoid the problem for most people10:55
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Kamionbug 5423110:57
UbugtuMalone bug 54231 in udev "skip UUID conversion if /etc/fstab.pre-uuid already exists" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5423110:57
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hungerWKamion: There is one... here. I deleted it:-)11:04
Arbitermvo: ping11:04
KamionhungerW: can't help that :)11:04
hungerWKamion: Well, maybe that was the reason it converted once more. I deleted that file as soon as I roled back the changes done by the script.11:05
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KamionhungerW: can't possibly have been the reason it converted once more, because bug 54231 is not implemented at present.11:06
UbugtuMalone bug 54231 in udev "skip UUID conversion if /etc/fstab.pre-uuid already exists" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5423111:06
hungerWKamion: Well, if you say this conversion will happen only once (or maybe twice for ppl that update too often;-), then it probably is something like that... me deleting/changing something the script needed.11:08
mvoArbiter: pong11:08
KamionhungerW: I've read the code; deleting that file can have no possible effect at present11:09
Kamion    cp -a /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.pre-uuid11:09
Kamionthat's the only line that references it11:09
hungerWKamion: Well, if nobody else has the three time conversion issue but me, then it is most probably me that did something.11:09
Arbitermvo: have you reviewed the smartpm patches? :)11:10
mvoArbiter: yes, a bit. not uploaded yet though11:11
Arbitermvo: yup, do you like the split && patch?11:12
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cbx33Hi again guys11:15
cbx33how deals with sound themes?11:15
cbx33s/how/who11:15
mvoArbiter: yes, I will modify it a bit though and make the new __init__.py a proper dpatch11:18
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Arbitermvo: well :)11:21
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Kamioninfinity: could you turn the livefs cron jobs back on, please? Knot-1 is kind of out ;-)11:50
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Kamionever get that feeling when you want to go back and shake your past self into not being silly?12:47
ajmitchtoo often12:47
Kamionbug 40107 is a one-line fix :-/12:47
UbugtuMalone bug 40107 in ubiquity "selects wrong country if selected ll_CC not available" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4010712:47
tsengrodarvus: do you happen to know what lib provides ExaDriverRec, trying to rebuild video-ati and I have a feeling I am missing a b-d12:49
dholbachtseng: /usr/include/xorg/exa.h from xserver-xorg-dev mentions it12:51
tsengdholbach: already have it, thanks.12:51
rodarvusahn, I was late :)12:51
tseng(doesn't help)12:52
rodarvusI'll be right back, need to logout/logon again12:52
rodarvus(gnome theme is fubar, probably needs a restart)12:52
dholbachtseng: one of xserver-xorg-dev's build-depends (might be it lacks a depends)12:52
tsengdholbach: i bet so12:52
tsenggotta go, will look at it after work12:55
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madduckhow many ubuntu developers are there?01:37
madduckand how many of those are canonical employees?01:37
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madduckfor core? and for everything?01:37
slomomadduck: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev and https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev01:37
slomomadduck: no idea about employment ;)01:38
madducknot a single female core developer. :/01:39
ogramadduck, we'll get there ...01:39
madduckanyway, what i really want to know is how many maintainers there are i guess.01:40
ajmitchmadduck: currently there's only 1 female MOTU01:41
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fabbioneogra: "we" as in when did you change sex?01:41
fabbionemadduck: ogra will fix the problem soon with a short visit to casablanca01:42
RiddellKamion: what part of ubiquity removes packages (like removing ubiquity) after install?01:42
ografabbione, :P01:42
sivangfabbione: ROTFL01:43
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KamionRiddell: scripts/install.py, remove_extras02:17
Kamionmadduck: I think the current figure is 18 Canonical employees paid to work on the distro02:18
tsengthere are 34 in coredev, including volunteers, former employees, current distro team02:19
robertjKamion: is there any hope sabdfl might be our thundering voice & decide on Avahi to shut the mailing list up?02:19
Kamionmadduck: all of those are -core-dev02:19
tsengrobertj: he doesn't really do that..02:19
tsengrobertj: (historically)02:19
Kamiona technical board decision would involve leaping over fewer layers02:20
tsengif you have an issue you cant resolve you schedule it for a hearing from the tech board02:20
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robertjtseng: is ita "file a request for tech board to look at it" or does there actually need to be someone present & to talk to the board, etc, because if so that shouldn't be me02:23
tsengyes, its on the wiki02:23
tsengTechBoardAgenda or so, let me find it for you02:23
tsengyes, someone definately needs to be present02:23
tsengpresumably from both sides, on this particular issue02:23
Lathiatwhen is it?02:23
slomoand both should better know what they're talking about ;) Lathiat? :)02:24
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tsenghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda?highlight=%28board%29%7C%28tech%2902:24
Lathiatin 12 hours02:24
Lathiathrm02:24
Lathiatoh no02:24
Lathiat1st aug02:24
Lathiatsomeone remind me? ;)02:24
madduckKamion: much obliged.02:25
tsengsomeone (robertj) needs to add it to the agenda with a short synopsis and names of presenting parties02:25
Lathiattbh i gave up reading the thread02:27
Lathiatwhat *exactly* are they bickering about?02:28
Lathiatnow?02:28
robertjLathiat: nothing thats why its time for someone to take steps to kill it02:28
robertj(the thread)02:28
Lathiatimm not sure a TB decision would help that02:28
Lathiata "stfu" might ;p but in CoC-kind words ;p02:29
ograwell, "stfu because TB said no" (in a polite tone) has a better chance to be heard :)02:30
fabbioneKamion: ping?02:30
robertjI think we need some entrails to decide this properly02:30
Kamionfabbione: hi02:31
fabbioneKamion: hey dude.. could you be so kind to new redhat-cluster-suite binaries for i386/ia64 and move libcman-dev to main? (lvm2 b-d)02:32
fabbionethere is no need for a MIR. all the sources are already in main02:32
Kamionok, will do02:33
Kamionfabbione: it's not in NEW02:33
fabbionethe source is not new.. there are new binaries02:34
fabbionei can only see amd64 ppc asparc debs on archive...02:34
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Kamionlike I say, nothing to do with redhat-cluster-suite in NEW02:35
Kamionhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue02:35
ograi see t in "done"02:36
ogra*it02:36
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fabbioneoh halt.. ia64 is ok not to be there ... ports02:37
Kamionyep, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=redhat02:37
fabbionebut i386 should be there02:37
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Kamionfabbione: it's on drescher; dunno why it's not on archive.u.c yet02:38
fabbioneKamion: ok thanks.. could you check of libcman-dev is in main on drescher?02:38
fabbionethis rh-c-s transition has been the most painful EVAR!02:39
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Kamionfabbione: it's not yet, I'll move it after this publisher run02:39
fabbioneKamion: thanks a lot.02:40
fabbioneKamion: that will also unleash the new lvm202:40
fabbionethat did never build since merge02:40
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Kamionfabbione: promotd02:55
Kamion+e02:55
fabbioneKamion: thanks02:55
Hobbseehi Kamion, fabbione 02:55
Kamionfabbione: I think the i386 build was in the process of publishing when I looked; that would explain the discrepancy between drescher and archive.u.c02:56
fabbioneKamion: perfect. thanks a lot for checking02:56
Kamioncoo; tasksel basically works02:56
fabbionehey Hobbsee 02:56
fabbioneKamion: eheh neat02:57
Kamionhmm, except it hasn't installed ubuntu-desktop, I wonder why not02:57
Kamion  xorg: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not installed02:57
Kamions/installed/installable/02:58
gnomefreakall kinds of xorg issues in latest updates02:58
Kamion        Depends: libgl1-mesa-dri which is a virtual package.02:58
fabbioneKamion: might be the new mesa 6.5 transition?03:00
Kamionsomething's installing libgl1-mesa instead03:00
rodarvusthis hasn't changed in the mesa 6.5 transition03:00
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Kamionoh, like err ubuntu-desktop03:01
rodarvuslibgl1-mesa doesn't exists anymore - it was obsoleted by libgl1-mesa-glx03:01
Kamionshould we be using libgl1-mesa-glx instead?03:01
Hobbseehi rodarvus :)03:01
Kamionok - it does actually exist because I haven't NBS-removed it yet03:01
Kamionbut right, that answers that question, thanks03:01
KamionI'll go fix the seeds03:01
rodarvusHobbsee, hi!03:02
rodarvusKamion, oh, I forgot to update this in the seeds, sorry :/03:02
Hobbseerodarvus: i hear you broke something.  just when i came home.  shameful :P03:02
rodarvus(libgl1-mesa was obsoleted about two or three weeks ago, btw, when we merged our mesa to debian's 6.4.2-something)03:03
rodarvusHobbsee, shame on me :)03:03
Kamionoh interesting, lsb now depends: libgl1-mesa | libgl1 - fix that and everything else with similar depends and we could probably get rid of that seed workaround03:04
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ajmitchrodarvus: xorg drivers will be rebuilt soon?03:04
sfllawKamion: I prefer Rejecting bugs on Duplicate, because then you can tell the submitter why you've done so.  You can't leave a comment when you mark something Duplicate.  I suspect that recording state changes might make undoing a lot easier.03:05
rodarvusajmitch, they're being rebuilt right now03:05
Kamionsfllaw: I always leave a comment explaining the situation and then mark as duplicate03:05
rodarvusactually, they're being uploaded today03:05
ajmitchok03:06
Kamionwhich doesn't seem that difficult - ok, one more web transaction, but so what03:06
ajmitchso, once OOo gets through :)03:06
rodarvus(I've seen bug 54225 this morning)03:06
UbugtuMalone bug 54225 in xorg-server "Dependency relationships allow core and drivers to be out of sync" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5422503:06
rodarvusstrange thing is I didn't had this problem locally03:06
ajmitchI did on my laptop, but not with the nvidia driver on amd64, strangely enough03:06
ajmitchupdated Xgl package seems to work alright now03:07
zuloh goody...you can test xen on amd64 then ;)03:08
ajmitchheh03:08
ajmitchthat requires rebooting :)03:08
ajmitchand going through the pain of getting a root filesystem again03:08
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madduckajmitch: which bug?03:13
ajmitchbug 5274003:13
UbugtuMalone bug 52740 in initramfs-tools "[EDGY]  Regression: can't boot from lvm root on raid anymore" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5274003:13
gnomefreakx-window-system-core xorg xserver-xorg  are not being replaced when upgrade removes them (any reason for this) or just broken?03:13
ajmitchand it didn't like the UUID conversion in grub, either03:14
ajmitchI think I have to file a separate bug on that03:14
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jonohey03:15
madduckajmitch: which initramfs-tools version? which mdadm?03:16
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madducklooks like pre-2.503:16
ajmitchinitramfs-tools 0.69ubuntu6, mdadm 2.4.1-6ubuntu103:17
madduckok, so it's not related to my recent changes then03:17
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rodarvusI'll be back in a few minutes03:24
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ajmitchpitti: hm?03:25
pittiajmitch: it's my first time I (try to) use it03:25
ograyeah, its fun ...03:25
pittiajmitch: and it doesn't work... :)03:25
mvo_pitti: its the suck :/ 03:26
ajmitchah, it does take a little bit of work :)03:26
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Kamion * redhat-cluster-suite_2.20060716-0ubuntu4 builds: libdlm-dev, libcman-dev, gnbd-client, libdlm2, rgmanager, redhat-cluster-suite, libcman2, gnbd-server, gfs-tools, cman, gfs2-tools, libccs-dev03:30
Kamion      but no longer builds:03:30
Kamion        o 1.20060222-0ubuntu5: ccs, fence, fence-gnbd, gulm, libcman1, libdlm1, libgulm-dev, libgulm1, libmagma-dev, libmagma1, magma, magma-plugins, redhat-cluster-suite-source03:30
Kamionfabbione: those (in the last line) are fine to rebuild, right?03:30
Kamioner, to remove03:31
fabbioneKamion: they should disappear automatically.. they are not part of edgy anymore.03:31
fabbioneKamion: be careful not to remove them from dapper :D03:31
fabbioneKamion: unfortunatly for an amazing endless chains of events, this is the first time that the suite can build on archive and publishes binaries03:32
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Hobbseepitti: seeing as you're the maintainer.  why would English_southafrican translations be installed with language-support-en?  is that supposed to happen, or what?03:33
Kamionfabbione: "disappear automatically"> the above paste is from the automatic report that needs to be processed manually03:33
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pittiHobbsee: which other language pack would you want instead?03:34
Kamionfabbione: (not-built-from-source removals are only semi-automatic)03:34
Seveaspitti, -za?03:34
pittiSeveas: that's a country, not a language03:34
Kamionfabbione: it would require deliberate effort to remove them from dapper :)03:34
Seveastrue03:34
pittiit's l-support-$LANG, not -$COUNTRY03:34
fabbioneKamion: ah ok.. the list seems about right :) go ahead03:34
fabbioneKamion: well sometimes i am scared because you are a damn errorless too-efficent machine03:34
Kamionrighto, thanks, I just like to check removals03:35
Hobbseepitti: i was under the impression that south african translation stuff fell under it's own category, and thought it was odd.  that's all.03:35
KamionHobbsee: all the language packs install all variants of the language in question03:35
ajmitchHobbsee: so you even get en_NZ to enjoy03:36
HobbseeKamion: ah okay.  i'm no speaker of south african03:36
Hobbseeajmitch: enjoy?  more like wince thru.  you and your x-murdering :P03:36
KamionHobbsee: South African translation> well, en_ZA (English as spoken in South Africa) is rather different from xh_ZA (Xhosa as spoken in South Africa)03:36
Kamiondoesn't make sense to lump them together03:36
Kamionwhereas English in different countries is basically more or less mutually comprehensible03:37
zulits like colour color03:37
HobbseeKamion: ahhh...right...okay then03:37
Hobbseefair enough03:37
pittiHobbsee: -en contains the country specific flavours of all ENglish-speaking countries03:37
KamionSouth Africa has something like a dozen official languages, IIRC03:37
Hobbseewas just a curious question - which is why i went to the maintainer, instead of filing a bug report whinging about it :P03:37
HobbseeKamion: ahh...didnt know that03:37
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Hobbseepitti: yep, okay, thanks03:38
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RiddellKamion: could you move kopete source to main, the binaries are already in main03:41
HobbseeRiddell: darn you!  :P03:44
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Hobbseejust for a bit.  oh well.03:45
ograHobbsee, time to go for main then ;)03:45
Kamionwow, the temperature here just dropped by several degrees nearly instantaneously03:45
Kamionyay storms03:45
jjesseooo big storm03:45
mjg59Hm.03:45
mjg59Air conditioned here, so I haven't noticed anything...03:45
Hobbseeogra: haha.  well...yeah...but i wouldnt want to be rejected.03:45
jjesseKamion: were is here?03:46
KamionRiddell: done, sorry Hobbsee03:46
Kamionjjesse: Cambridge, England03:46
jjesseah03:46
HobbseeKamion: :'(  okay then.  :P03:46
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Kamionas Riddell says, the binaries were already in main; it was a bug that the source was in universe03:47
HobbseeKamion: bleh.  true.  i know it had to be done.  i just liked being able to play with it freely.  :)03:51
CarlFKedgy alternate - is this message expected?   "At the moment, only the core of Debian is installed.  To tune the system.... [ ]  Ubuntu desktop" http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Jul27/a/edgydebian.png03:53
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CarlFKor should I post it to LP03:54
KamionCarlFK: I just fixed that half an hour ago or so03:54
sladenCarlFK: that question shouldn't be seen as the priority should be below the threshold03:55
Kamionoh yes, didn't notice the Debian bit there, I'll fix that] 03:55
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Kamionsladen: check your facts kthxbye :-P03:55
CarlFKKamion: glad I asked :)03:55
Kamiondb_input high $question || true03:55
Kamionthis is intentional03:55
Kamionmy fix was to preseed it on non-server CDs, not to drop the priority03:55
sladenoh. I. see.03:56
djbmisterany powerpc devs here??03:56
Kamiondjbmister: depends what you're asking03:57
Kamionsladen: (see the revive-tasksel spec for more information)03:57
sabdflrobertj: the Avahi decision certainly belongs with the tech board, not with me03:57
djbmisterWell its releated to the kernel 2.6.15 kernel and chrp systems03:57
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djbmisterIn particular the 'Pegasos motherboard' or ODW as its known03:58
bddebianHeya03:59
KamionI'm not familiar with kernel issues involving the Pegasos, unfortunately03:59
djbmisterThe issue regarding this kernel, is that from a compile from source it just doesn't work. 2.6.17 from edgy does work04:00
Kamionbest to file a bug on launchpad about it, and/or ask on #ubuntu-kernel04:00
CarlFKKamion: can you take a quick look at bug #53699 - "untriaged" makes me think it stalled :)04:00
UbugtuMalone bug 53699 in Ubuntu "installer - names not resolving" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5369904:00
bddebianHah, where's madduck04:00
bddebianhamlib (1.2.5-7) unstable; urgency=low04:00
bddebian .04:00
bddebian   * Update to new python policy04:00
bddebian   * Update standards version 3.7.204:00
bddebian   * This work by Barry deFreese of Ubuntu, thanks! Closes: #379191.04:00
djbmisterok, thanks04:00
Hobbseebddebian: nice!  does it work?04:01
Kamionsorry I can't help more directly04:01
KamionCarlFK: I totally ignore untriaged, unconfirmed, etc.04:01
djbmisterno probs04:01
bddebianHobbsee: I just got the mail this morning so I haven't built it yet04:01
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Hobbseebddebian: okay04:01
KamionCarlFK: in this case though I simply didn't see it because it wasn't filed on the installer04:01
sladenKamion: thanks for picking me up on that :)04:02
djbmisterJust a quick question, nothing to do with the kernel or anything. I'm creating a custom ubuntu cd for the ppc platform and im just wondering, how do i change the default background wallpaper etc etc??04:03
KamionCarlFK: replied, anyway04:03
CarlFKKamion: thanks04:04
Chipzzugh04:09
ChipzzX broken in edgy :(04:09
dholbachcould somebody add some blurb about X to the topic? :)04:14
ajmitchdholbach: like "don't ask, it's being fixed"?04:15
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:ogra] : "Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs" | blurb about X
dholbach"it will be broken for a while, stick to dapper" or something04:15
ogra:P04:15
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:ogra] : "Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs" | yes X in edgy is broken atm
ogra:)04:16
ajmitchslightly more useful :)04:16
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bddebianmadduck: I was just prodding you.  We give back on occasion. ;-P04:19
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sivangdholbach: rather put a link to a work around? :)04:20
madduckbddebian: you got the wrong impression. :)04:20
bddebianmadduck: About?04:20
madducknevermind.04:21
Kamionbddebian: I think he means he's not always as negative about Ubuntu as you thought04:22
ajmitchsivang: depends what your breakage is - the most likely cause is needing the video drivers to be recompiled04:23
sivangajmitch: ah, then I'm using FOSS ones all over, hopefully I will be able to reboot after todays' upgrade04:23
ajmitchsivang: the FOSS ones are the problem04:24
sivanghrm, okay, so no reboot for me for now :)04:24
bddebianKamion: Oh, I didn't mean to imply that madduck is negative about Ubuntu, I was just giving him grief about his blog entry :-)04:26
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madduckbddebian: because that blog entry was something to give me grief over?04:28
Chipzzok, which version of X broke? with some luck I still have the debs and I can downgrade?04:29
tsengChipzz: see the topic.04:30
Chipzztseng: I know it is broken, I want to downgrade, but in order to do that, I need to know to which version04:30
thomChipzz: check your dpkg log and seee what got upgraded04:30
Chipzzthom: I do not reboot after every upgrade; this could have been broken for weeks04:31
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thomhey mate :-)04:31
pittihi thom04:31
tsengthom: (typo 4.0 weee!)04:31
madduckthom: will you be in cambridge on aug26 ?04:31
bddebianmadduck: Of course. :-)  Actually I wanted to comment on it but didn't get the opportunity 04:31
thomtseng: oh really? shiny04:31
madduckbddebian: my inbox is oepn! :)04:31
thommadduck: um.04:31
thommadduck: i moved to .nl recently, so it's possible but dunno04:32
madduckthom: sorry. :)04:32
madduckthom: http://wiki.earth.li/DebianParty200604:32
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tsengthom: http://scottstuff.net/blog/articles/2006/07/22/typo-4-0-004:33
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thomtseng: nifteh. /me upgrades04:46
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tsengthom: ive been using svn all this time.04:51
thomi've been on some dubious svn export for a while04:52
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ograiwj, would you mind taking a last look at SCPC, as i wrote in y mail from yesterday, i think its all adressed now, i can ask sb. else if you dont have the time, but would like to have it approved before the meeting (promised that to Kamion)04:55
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zulmvo: do you still have that grub bootsplash patch that you did?05:25
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setuid I've put together an advisory council (at IBM). I'm looking to backfill some alternates, and am looking for recommendations for 3 seats. Are there people within Ubuntu/Canonical that I should consider?05:25
setuidIts called the Linux on POWER Advisory Council, where we'd be sharing some pre-release info for comments, criticism and other ideas before we release it to the OSS community. 05:25
mdzKamion: do you have a todo list for the dapper point release?05:26
mdzKamion: I think we should do the live CD file order optimization05:26
KamionI wasn't going to attempt optimisations in it ...05:28
Kamionthat said, it might well fall out of the livefs build script changes anyway05:29
Kamionso I don't object if somebody wants to put time into collecting the sort files05:29
Kamionmdz: my to-do list is about to be largely cleared by way of the mail I'm about to send you about ubiquity05:29
Kamionwe should clear out the unapproved queue too - there are half a dozen or so items in it05:30
seb128Riddell: around?05:38
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Riddellseb128: hi05:40
seb128Riddell: for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEasyZeroconf, do you use the message mentionned on the wiki page? it doesn't look like according to the patch but I might be looking at the wrong place05:40
seb128the "Enabling Avahi Zeroconf will open port..."05:40
Riddellseb128: oh I need to add that, thanks for reminding me05:41
seb128Riddell: no problem :)05:41
Riddellseb128: feel free to edit the wiki page and add the port number, then I won't have to look it up05:42
seb128Riddell: ok. I've to run now for an hour but I'll do that later if you didn't do it first, thank you05:42
Kamionsetuid: might be worth asking the Ubuntu technical board for recommendations, if you have time? http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda05:44
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shellsageHi, I've been googling for about an hour for this and nothing is coming up. Where might I find the ubuntu livecd/installcd source?05:46
shellsageAm I supposed to unpack the ISO?05:46
shellsageOr is there an archive of it05:47
setuidKamion, I'm going to explore that now, pygi pointed me that direction05:47
Kamionshellsage: source for what exactly? everything?05:47
shellsageKamion, everything one would receive on the livecd/installcd05:47
shellsageIncluding the bootable image05:48
Kamionshellsage: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/source/ has ISOs of the source05:48
Kamionshellsage: it's also all in the archive (archive.ubuntu.com), available using 'apt-get source'#05:48
Kamions/#//05:48
shellsageKamion, thanks05:48
shellsageAlso, should I submit a bounty proposal for my project idea? I want to write a branch of ubuntu called crybuntu, that from installation, uses encrypted partitions via cryptsetup-luks, with some neat features like storing the system key on a usb stick.05:50
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Kamionshellsage: not to rain on your parade but I suspect we're going to get a lot of that via Debian quite soon ...05:50
Kamion(partman-crypto)05:50
Kamiondunno where the system key lives, though05:51
shellsageKamion, oh, I thought that it would be great to have it all in one project/installable CD like that05:51
Kamionyou'd be welcome to help with that in Edgy if you're interested - I just need to put together main inclusion reports and stuff for the new bits05:51
shellsageSo that people could instantly have an encrypted system05:51
Kamionright, I believe we're going to have that in mainline05:51
shellsageOh ok05:51
Kamionalthough I confess to not having looked over the code yet05:51
Kamionprobably alternate install CD only for now05:51
shellsageYes I'd like to help with that then, I've already done it on my gentoo system, and it works very well05:52
KamionI'm going to try to get the bits into main for Edgy Knot 205:52
Kamion(second milestone release)05:52
shellsageright05:52
shellsageso is it going to be an option of the installer on the livecd, to encrypt the partitions?05:53
shellsageor is it just a separate package that encrypts the partitions post-install05:53
shellsagevia some secure data displacement05:54
Kamionshellsage: an option in the installer's partitioner, not on the live CD, on the alternate install CD05:54
shellsageah ok05:54
Kamionthe live CD can be done too in the longer term but that's dependent on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubiquity-advanced-partitioner and I don't have any time to do more than the basics on that05:55
Kamion(for edgy)05:55
shellsageah05:55
shellsageI'm reading the wiki entry for partman now on the debian installer05:55
Kamionshellsage: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PartmanCrypto if you haven't found that05:57
Kamion"Keyfiles on removable media" is under future plans I see05:57
shellsageKamion, yeah I'm onto the SVN now, having trouble understanding the heirarchy though05:58
shellsageI'm not very familiar with the layout of the final.d stuff05:58
shellsagefinish.d*05:58
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janimoinfinity: do you know why xubuntu desktop CD still gets older packages? (xubuntu-live 2.4 vs 2.6, libgoffice-gtk-1-2 vs 0-3)05:58
janimoresults in oversized ISOs05:59
infinityjanimo: Cause I need to re-enable dailies.  I'll do that now.05:59
Kamionshellsage: it does assume general familiarity with partman; 'svn co svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk/installer/doc/devel/partman' and 'make' in the resulting checkout to get the partman documentation05:59
janimoinfinity: so if a CD gets oversized it is no longer builkt on subsequent days?05:59
Kamionshellsage: it's not the clearest documentation in the world, though05:59
Kamionjanimo: no, all the dailies were switched off for Knot 1 and never reenabled until now05:59
infinityjanimo: No, the daily livefs cronjobs have never been enabled for edgy.  Doing that right now.05:59
janimoinfinity, kamion: ok, thanks. Seeing daily isos come out the past days I though they were basedon updated livefs as well.06:01
shellsageKamion, thanks, I'm going to look into it. I thought this was a great idea so hopefully I'll be able to contribute, at least the usb key thing.06:02
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shellsageIt'd be incredible to be able to just up and quickly install encrypted systems06:02
setuidKamion, I can't seem to find the TB mailing list. Any idea? 06:02
Kamionsetuid: scheduling stuff for discussion is done by adding it to the wiki page and showing up to the next meeting06:03
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Kamionjanimo: nah, I enabled the cdimage cron jobs, but that crontab is independent from the livefs ones on the buildds06:04
setuidI want to send a blanket message to the TB members, not spam, but soliciting some input. 06:04
bddebianHow do most of you main types feel about your Universe merges?  Do you care if I just do them or leave them for you?06:04
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Gloubiboulgadholbach, seb128, do you know if we'll get the new xklavier in edgy, or if we'll keep xklavier11?06:20
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dholbachGloubiboulga: is there a new version of libxklavier?06:22
Gloubiboulgadholbach, not a stable one, but Jani told me that the newt one might be part of gnome 2.1606:22
dholbachGloubiboulga: nothing requires it yet and it so that'd only be gnome-control-center06:23
Gloubiboulgaok06:23
dholbachGloubiboulga: i'm not familiar enough with that codebase to judge, but as they're in api/etc freeze now, i guess not06:23
Gloubiboulgadholbach, ok, thanks :)06:23
dholbachGloubiboulga: we might figure that we'll be happier with 7.1 and a new libxklavier, but i don't know06:23
dholbachi mean xorg7.106:24
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infinityKamion: livefs dailes are re-enabled for i386/powerpc/amd64.... I'm not turning them on for the other arches (yet), due to disk space concernes, and a pending move to squashfs for all of them.06:33
infinityconcerns, too.06:33
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Kamioninfinity: cool, thanks06:37
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wasabiHmm. Some update killed alsa.06:39
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bddebianHeya LaserJock06:41
LaserJockhi bddebian 06:42
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mhbhello to all06:42
bddebianHello mhb06:43
zulhey lj06:43
mhbI talked with someone in this channel a few feeks ago about the translations of Edgy in Rosetta06:43
mhb(weeks)06:43
mhbWell, I was informed it should take no longer than a few weeks, but nothing has happened since then, so here I am again :o)06:44
mhbDoes anyone know more about the start of Edgy translations?06:45
LaserJockmhb: I don't know, but you would probably get a better answer from the translators mailing list (it's on lists.ubuntu.com)06:47
mhbLaserJock: you think someone else than translators are signed in it?06:48
mhbLaserJock: I read that ML, by the way.06:49
mhbLaserJock: because it's not a question exactly for translators06:49
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mhbLaserJock: but okay, I'll try it :o)06:53
LaserJockmhb: sorry, was away for a sec. I think that the admins would also read the list so it is probably the most appropriate place to ask. I'm sure other translators are interested too.06:57
mhbLaserJock: we'll see :o)06:58
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seb128Gloubiboulga: why do you want it?07:46
Gloubiboulgaseb128, I don't want it, I'll certainly try to write a tool to manage keyboard layouts using xklavier07:47
seb128Gloubiboulga: xkb things are usually easy enough to break to not touch them for an unstable version if not required07:47
Gloubiboulgaseb128, I'm fine with the current xklavier, I just don't want to start something with the new one and have to rewrite everything later :)07:48
seb128Gloubiboulga: we have 2.91 which is the new API,ABI one07:48
seb128Gloubiboulga: it has been updated during the GNOME 2.15 cycle07:49
Gloubiboulgaah right...07:52
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bddebianre09:47
Burgworkgreetings bddebian 09:50
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bddebianHeya Burgwork09:50
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pittiHi10:23
Burgworkhey pitti 10:24
bddebianHello pitti10:25
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djbmisterCan anyone answer my question regarding a customised livecd of ubuntu10:49
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plastictabsanyone alive?11:39
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Burgworkhmm, he stuck around a long time, eh tseng?11:40
tsengBurgwork: im home11:41
tsengoh, heh11:41
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Burgworkmakes Viper550 seem like a positive elephant11:41
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AmaranthBurgwork: ?11:44
BurgworkAmaranth, viper550 has a habit of flitting in and out of -desktop11:44
Amaranthah11:44
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tsengBurgwork: viper brings a few more infuriating traits to the table11:50
pittimvo: yay, with the new update manager and my latest package the crash reporting gui now works just wonderfully11:50
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Burgworktseng, meh11:50
tsengposting my ideas as his own, then when flamed claiming I made him say it11:50
tsengis the current winner.11:50
mvopitti: great news :)11:51
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dokopitti: -> #ubuntu-toolchain ...11:53
Burgworkpitti, is apport generic enough to run on other distros?11:59
pittiBurgwork: mostly yes12:00
pittiBurgwork: the Ubuntu specific bits are (1) our kernel's crash dump helper hook and (2) update-notifier calling apport-gtk when it senses (via inotify) a new report12:01
pittiBurgwork: (1) can be solved by using a glibc patch or a preloaded library12:01
pittiBurgwork: and (2) needs an alternative implementation, of course12:01
Burgworkpitti, just thinking about it, because GNOME is talking about bug reporting currently12:01
pittiBurgwork: but the data collection and the frontend are not ubuntu specific12:01
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