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zul | @schedule montreal | 05:17 |
Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05:17 |
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sladen | @schedule | 08:36 |
Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 27 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 08:36 |
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mhz] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Jul 15:00 UTC: Edubuntu Handbook | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ||
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mhz] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Jul 15:00 UTC: Edubuntu Handbook | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ||
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ||
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shawarma | @schedule Copenhagen | 11:31 |
Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11:31 |
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Arbiter | @schedule Rome | 12:33 |
Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12:33 |
rodarvus | @schedule Sao_Paulo | 12:44 |
Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 27 Jul 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12:44 |
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Seveas | @now amsterdam | 04:59 |
Ubugtu | Current time in Europe/Amsterdam: July 27 2006, 16:59:24 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 8 hours 0 minutes | 04:59 |
Seveas | @topic | 04:59 |
ogra | dont you have a watch :P | 04:59 |
RichEd | hi all ... | 04:59 |
Seveas | ogra, I use @now instead of @schedule to find the next meeting | 05:00 |
ogra | ah | 05:00 |
HedgeMage | :) | 05:02 |
mhz | Who is here for Edubuntu Handbook Meeting? | 05:02 |
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HedgeMage | me, sort of | 05:02 |
pygi | Hello people, and welcome to the Edubuntu Handbook meeting | 05:02 |
HedgeMage | pygi will run things because I'm going to have to cut out | 05:02 |
mhz | sure | 05:02 |
HedgeMage | I'll be logging though so hilight me if I should know something :) | 05:02 |
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pygi | ok, now, who is here for the meeting? | 05:03 |
RichEd | i'm here are lurking | 05:04 |
RichEd | and <- and | 05:04 |
RichEd | (multi-tasking .. and as you can see ... not too gracefully) | 05:04 |
pygi | hey RichEd, welcome to our "not-so-much-visited" meeting :) | 05:05 |
=== mhz is Mauricio Hernandez Z. | ||
RichEd | thanks ... i'm just a fly on the wall today ... but will be watching with interest | 05:05 |
=== pygi is nobody important :) | ||
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mhz | pygi: you are | 05:06 |
pygi | mhz, seems it's only two of us on this meeting (3 if we count Hedgemage) | 05:06 |
mhz | and 4 if we count the flies | 05:06 |
pygi | and it seems we can only count on us for sure to contribute to the Edgy Handbook | 05:06 |
mhz | :) | 05:06 |
pygi | right, 4 with the flies :) | 05:07 |
mhz | So far, yes. However, I have 2 people for proofread it | 05:07 |
mhz | when time is adequate | 05:07 |
mhz | and 4 peopole to translate it | 05:07 |
pygi | Anyway, we've got the deadlines last time, and we've got the chapters layout | 05:07 |
mhz | yup | 05:07 |
RichEd | i will also be interested in a doing a proof read ... | 05:07 |
pygi | RichEd, ofcourse :) | 05:08 |
mhz | now 3 and counting! | 05:08 |
mhz | pygi: could you shoot current status, please? | 05:08 |
pygi | mhz, I would suggest that we start writing from September, 8 | 05:08 |
mhz | why from? | 05:08 |
mhz | I thought it was "from ASAP" | 05:08 |
pygi | mhz, current status is "bad", tho the Handbook will be ready for Edgy even if only one person had to write it :P | 05:09 |
mhz | hehe | 05:09 |
mhz | why "bad"? | 05:09 |
pygi | Well, it is from ASAP (the general stuff), but the "changes", shots, and stuff wont change from September 8 I think as it's a freeze then | 05:09 |
mhz | can we make it "good"? | 05:09 |
pygi | Indeed, we can | 05:09 |
pygi | we must start writing, at least the general stuff :) | 05:09 |
mhz | indeed | 05:10 |
pygi | hm, what's the link to our edgy layout? | 05:10 |
mhz | Do ,we the writers, know about Edgy stuff enough to put it on EHB? | 05:10 |
mhz | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyOutline | 05:10 |
pygi | well, we probably do, I don't see what the problem might be | 05:11 |
pygi | I did several implementation myself, and written part of Edubuntu Dapper Cookbook | 05:11 |
mhz | but either my ISP or ubuntu's server is down or too slow | 05:11 |
pygi | You probably know enough, and Hedge has proven to be great too :) | 05:11 |
pygi | ubuntu server is slow | 05:11 |
mhz | pygi: yeah, so Edgy wont be too diff from Dapper in terms of EHB knowhow? | 05:12 |
pygi | well, not much really, but the Edgy cookbook must be more detailed | 05:12 |
pygi | the Dapper cookbook was missing some stuff | 05:12 |
pygi | like update-ssh-keys (or whatever), security, things... | 05:12 |
mhz | hmm, then, maybe we missed something at deadlines | 05:13 |
mhz | we have not considered Tech guys (ogra and others) to pre-read it and let us know what must be put before freeze | 05:14 |
pygi | Don't worry, all will be good this time :) | 05:14 |
mhz | cool | 05:15 |
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mhz | in | 05:15 |
=== pygi thinks that is not so wise :) | ||
mhz | hehehe | 05:15 |
ogra | pygi, so you have someone takig over my job that i have time to do proof reading ? | 05:15 |
pygi | ogra, I think everyone will be willing to help if they/we can ;) | 05:16 |
mhz | yeah, and we need to make (maybe) a mini campaign to motivate proofreaders? | 05:17 |
pygi | could be, and motivate people to help ogra :P | 05:17 |
mhz | hehehe | 05:17 |
mhz | nah, that is way out of my league | 05:17 |
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mhz | we all love JaneW, so cool! | 05:18 |
pygi | RichEd, she's always been helpfull with the Cookbook :) | 05:19 |
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mhz | pygi: so, could you explain the email about SVN on the ML? I understood almost nothing | 05:19 |
pygi | right :) | 05:20 |
pygi | I need the username and password you would like for temporary repository we'll be using :) | 05:20 |
mhz | that was what the email was about? | 05:20 |
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ogra | no, that was only to confuse you :P | 05:21 |
pygi | ogra, lol :) | 05:21 |
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mhz | rofl | 05:22 |
ogra | there are no bugs in LTSP ! | 05:22 |
ogra | only whishlist ones ... | 05:22 |
ogra | :) | 05:22 |
Seveas | jedi-ogra | 05:22 |
pygi | ogra, in stock LTSP ofcourse no, but in your implementation... :) | 05:22 |
ogra | :P | 05:22 |
pygi | mhz, so whenever you feel ready to send me a mail =P | 05:23 |
mhz | pygi: also... during yesterday's edubuntu meeting, someone asked "why EHB is not using official repo's" As I am newbie to this team, I really have not other arguments than the "diff yes/no opinions from DocTeam during previous EHB meetings" So, can we know the real arguments? | 05:24 |
mhz | pygi: sure | 05:24 |
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pygi | mhz, hm, who asked this again?!!! | 05:24 |
pygi | I settled this already | 05:24 |
pygi | for million times | 05:24 |
mhz | well, let's make it miilion and one | 05:25 |
mhz | :) | 05:25 |
pygi | I refuse :P Anyway, don't worry about that, we WILL be using docteam repos | 05:25 |
mhz | since? | 05:26 |
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pygi | well, as soon as we make some substantial "patch-based" contribution | 05:26 |
pygi | doc team uses SVN, IMHO | 05:26 |
pygi | IHMO* or whatever | 05:26 |
mhz | pygi: sorry I am ignorant but.. "pathc-based" contribution? What is that? | 05:27 |
mhz | patch | 05:27 |
pygi | well, we provide patches (which contain our handbook) to the docteam, they commit, and that's it :P | 05:28 |
mhz | aahhh | 05:28 |
mhz | got it | 05:28 |
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mhz | so, regular procedure is: John writes a txt, he sends it to pygi or HedgeMage, they make it DocBook, they send it to DocTeam, DocTeam commits? | 05:29 |
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pygi | regular procedure is: John get temp svn access, commits it, pygi & hedge check it, put it in DocBook, send a patch to docteam, mdke commits :P | 05:30 |
mhz | clear as water | 05:31 |
mhz | (clean water) | 05:31 |
mhz | pygi: the depth of chapter content depends on the writer? | 05:32 |
pygi | hm, well, if it's not in-depth enough, then we say it, writer must rewrite chapter to accomodate | 05:32 |
mhz | ok | 05:32 |
mhz | will we include screenshots (they are always well received by readers)? | 05:33 |
pygi | ofcourse, always | 05:33 |
mhz | if so, any particular 'regulation'? (size, resolution, etc) | 05:33 |
mhz | I know I have not read current doc and I will as soon as I send you the email to get SVN acces. However, when I worked with designers in Chile, they always work on a 'diagramacion' (in spanish, that is the way we distribuite elements on a page area). There are diff 'arguments' on why to choose this or that 'diagrmacion' depending on what we want the reader to experience. Do we consider 'diagramacion' for EHB? | 05:37 |
mhz | pygi: ? | 05:38 |
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pygi | nop :P | 05:39 |
pygi | sec | 05:39 |
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pygi | well, we could arrange some size and resolution | 05:39 |
pygi | any proposals? | 05:39 |
mhz | not yet from me until I read/see what is done | 05:42 |
mhz | ;) | 05:42 |
mhz | pygi: and how about 'diagramacion'? | 05:43 |
pygi | translate that to pure english pls? :P | 05:43 |
mhz | "that is the way we distribuite elements on a page area). There are diff 'arguments' on why to choose this or that 'diagrmacion' depending on what we want the reader to experience." | 05:44 |
mhz | Example: two column text, pictures on the right, not left or 1 column text, pictures on the left | 05:45 |
mhz | it is just that, the way we place elements on a page area | 05:45 |
mhz | pygi: ? | 05:49 |
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pygi | hm, well, that will be solved once we go to docbook | 05:50 |
mhz | well, anyways, I have been collecting my notes on installing and some edubuntu settings for less powerful hardware servers | 05:50 |
pygi | for writing purposes, just do however you like | 05:50 |
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mhz | so, my guess is I'll be able to start writing for EHB from tuesday, and dedicate about 2 hours a day | 05:51 |
mhz | I have written howtos, speeches and articles, never book chapters | 05:52 |
mhz | so this will be a totally new experience for me | 05:52 |
mhz | I will first focus on those 'lighter desktop' details and once done, I'll be able to take other chapters | 05:53 |
mhz | pygi: IIRC, HedgeMage had suggested the lighter desktop chapter would go as 5th chapter? | 05:53 |
pygi | that's fine mhz | 05:54 |
pygi | about never writing chapters, don't worry, we are all here to help each other | 05:54 |
mhz | cool | 05:56 |
mhz | and also here to tackle ogra :D | 05:57 |
pygi | mhz, hehe :) | 05:57 |
lloydinho | Hi there! I was reading up on the meeting so far, and I have a question: It does sound like this is going to be a real doc team project (with you being the doc team members working on it) - is that right? | 05:58 |
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mhz | pygi: so, anything else we need to discuss for now, besides setting next week meeting date? | 05:59 |
pygi | lloydinho, indeed, why do you ask? | 05:59 |
pygi | mhz, lloydinho is here :P | 06:00 |
mhz | yup | 06:00 |
lloydinho | heh. sorry I've been lurking.. :-P | 06:00 |
lloydinho | If so, I would suggest that you add the Edubuntu Handbook to the other DocTeam projects on the Projects list in the wiki | 06:00 |
lloydinho | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects | 06:00 |
pygi | lloydinho, not yet :) | 06:01 |
pygi | There is time for that :) | 06:01 |
lloydinho | That way it will be easier to coordinate the different projects. | 06:01 |
lloydinho | Oh, okay - so you're planning to do it eventually? | 06:01 |
lloydinho | :) | 06:01 |
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pygi | anything else we can do for you or can we set meeting date/time? | 06:02 |
lloydinho | cool. Then I won't disturb you any more. Just wanted to make sure... :) | 06:02 |
pygi | lloydinho, you arent disturbing :) | 06:02 |
lloydinho | That's good. I'm looking forward to you guys announcing the Handbook on the Doc Team list, then.. :) | 06:03 |
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=== pygi thinks he probably is :) | ||
pygi | mhz, poke, date/time? :) | 06:04 |
=== lloydinho thinks he probably should become one at some point... | ||
=== pygi nods :P | ||
mhz | pygi: same station, same time? | 06:05 |
pygi | mhz, you awake? :) | 06:05 |
mhz | or rotate? | 06:05 |
pygi | hm, rather rotate | 06:05 |
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=== pygi waits | ||
mhz | (yeah, a TZ UTC spreadsheet) | 06:07 |
=== pygi thinks 20UTC should be fine, wednesday | ||
mhz | pygi: yeah, 20 UTC wednesday..I could make it, thoug it is in the middle of the day...but we'll rotate so I can't complain | 06:10 |
mhz | 20 UTC, Wed | 06:10 |
mhz | oh, pygi can it be Thursdays? | 06:10 |
mhz | wednesdays are edubuntu's | 06:11 |
pygi | hm, sure | 06:11 |
mhz | pygi: so, 20 UTC Thursday | 06:11 |
mhz | HedgeMage: cool? | 06:11 |
pygi | sure mhz | 06:12 |
pygi | HedgeMage, she isnt here | 06:12 |
mhz | okis | 06:13 |
mhz | anything else today? | 06:13 |
mhz | RichEd: ? | 06:13 |
pygi | nop, not really | 06:13 |
mhz | ogra: ? | 06:13 |
RichEd | nope ... i'm fine ... | 06:13 |
mhz | pygi: you are +2 or -7 ? | 06:14 |
pygi | mhz, +2 | 06:14 |
pygi | HedgeMage is -7 | 06:14 |
mhz | okis | 06:14 |
mhz | i had only added the diff not names :) | 06:15 |
jsgotangco | hey guys im online but doing something at the moment will just read the log later | 06:15 |
mhz | jsgotangco: sure | 06:16 |
mhz | pygi: adjurned? | 06:16 |
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pygi | mhz, pure english pls? :) | 06:16 |
pygi | but sure, we are done :P | 06:16 |
mhz | pygi: thx | 06:17 |
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pygi | raphink, cbx33 :) | 06:49 |
raphink | hi pygi | 06:49 |
pygi | hey raphink | 06:50 |
raphink | :) | 06:50 |
raphink | how are you? | 06:50 |
pygi | I am fantastic, what about you?:) | 06:50 |
cbx33 | hi cbx33 raphink | 06:50 |
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Klaidas | @schedule vilnius | 06:54 |
Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 28 Jul 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 23:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 23:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 06:54 |
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fouadbajwa | hi ompaul | 08:54 |
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chuck | @scedule now | 11:59 |
chuck | @schedule montreal | 11:59 |
Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11:59 |
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pygi | @schedule Zagreb | 12:02 |
Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Zagreb: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12:02 |
nalioth | when is the next CC meeting? | 12:02 |
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