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Seveasjarufe, please disable away messages in here12:15
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zul@schedule montreal05:17
UbugtuSchedule for America/Montreal: 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team05:17
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sladen@schedule08:36
UbugtuSchedule for Etc/UTC: 27 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team08:36
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mhz] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Jul 15:00 UTC: Edubuntu Handbook | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mhz] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Jul 15:00 UTC: Edubuntu Handbook | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team
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shawarma@schedule Copenhagen11:31
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team11:31
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Arbiter@schedule Rome12:33
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Rome: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team12:33
rodarvus@schedule Sao_Paulo12:44
UbugtuSchedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 27 Jul 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team12:44
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Seveas@now amsterdam04:59
UbugtuCurrent time in Europe/Amsterdam: July 27 2006, 16:59:24 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 8 hours 0 minutes04:59
Seveas@topic04:59
ogradont you have a watch :P04:59
RichEdhi all ...04:59
Seveasogra, I use @now instead of @schedule to find the next meeting 05:00
ograah05:00
HedgeMage:)05:02
mhzWho is here for Edubuntu Handbook Meeting?05:02
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HedgeMageme, sort of 05:02
pygiHello people, and welcome to the Edubuntu Handbook meeting05:02
HedgeMagepygi will run things because I'm going to have to cut out05:02
mhzsure05:02
HedgeMageI'll be logging though so hilight me if I should know something :)05:02
=== mhz hugs pygi ...no plot today
pygiok, now, who is here for the meeting?05:03
RichEdi'm here are lurking05:04
RichEdand <- and05:04
RichEd(multi-tasking .. and as you can see ... not too gracefully)05:04
pygihey RichEd, welcome to our "not-so-much-visited" meeting :)05:05
=== mhz is Mauricio Hernandez Z.
RichEdthanks ... i'm just a fly on the wall today ... but will be watching with interest05:05
=== pygi is nobody important :)
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mhzpygi: you are05:06
pygimhz, seems it's only two of us on this meeting (3 if we count Hedgemage)05:06
mhzand 4 if we count the flies05:06
pygiand it seems we can only count on us for sure to contribute to the Edgy Handbook05:06
mhz:)05:06
pygiright, 4 with the flies :)05:07
mhzSo far, yes. However, I have 2 people for proofread it05:07
mhzwhen time is adequate05:07
mhzand 4 peopole to translate it05:07
pygiAnyway, we've got the deadlines last time, and we've got the chapters layout05:07
mhzyup05:07
RichEdi will also be interested in a doing a proof read ...05:07
pygiRichEd, ofcourse :)05:08
mhznow 3 and counting!05:08
mhzpygi: could you shoot current status, please?05:08
pygimhz, I would suggest that we start writing from September, 805:08
mhzwhy from?05:08
mhzI thought it was "from ASAP"05:08
pygimhz, current status is "bad", tho the Handbook will be ready for Edgy even if only one person had to write it :P05:09
mhzhehe05:09
mhzwhy "bad"?05:09
pygiWell, it is from ASAP (the general stuff), but the "changes", shots, and stuff wont change from September 8 I think as it's a freeze then05:09
mhzcan we make it "good"?05:09
pygiIndeed, we can05:09
pygiwe must start writing, at least the general stuff :)05:09
mhzindeed05:10
pygihm, what's the link to our edgy layout?05:10
mhzDo ,we the writers, know about Edgy stuff enough to put it on EHB?05:10
mhzhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyOutline05:10
pygiwell, we probably do, I don't see what the problem might be05:11
pygiI did several implementation myself, and written part of Edubuntu Dapper Cookbook05:11
mhzbut either my ISP or ubuntu's server is down or too slow05:11
pygiYou probably know enough, and Hedge has proven to be great too :)05:11
pygiubuntu server is slow05:11
mhzpygi: yeah, so Edgy wont be too diff from Dapper in terms of EHB knowhow?05:12
pygiwell, not much really, but the Edgy cookbook must be more detailed05:12
pygithe Dapper cookbook was missing some stuff05:12
pygilike update-ssh-keys (or whatever), security, things...05:12
mhzhmm, then, maybe we missed something at deadlines05:13
mhzwe have not considered Tech guys (ogra and others) to pre-read it and let us know what must be put before freeze05:14
pygiDon't worry, all will be good this time :)05:14
mhzcool05:15
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mhzin 05:15
=== pygi thinks that is not so wise :)
mhzhehehe05:15
ograpygi, so you have someone takig over my job that i have time to do proof reading ?05:15
pygiogra, I think everyone will be willing to help if they/we can  ;)05:16
mhzyeah, and we need to make (maybe) a mini campaign to motivate proofreaders?05:17
pygicould be, and motivate people to help ogra :P05:17
mhzhehehe05:17
mhznah, that is way out of my league05:17
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mhzwe all love JaneW, so cool!05:18
pygiRichEd, she's always been helpfull with the Cookbook :)05:19
=== pygi thinks Jane was even supposed to write one chapter :P
mhzpygi: so, could you explain the email about SVN on the ML? I understood almost nothing05:19
pygiright :)05:20
pygiI need the username and password you would like for temporary repository we'll be using :)05:20
mhzthat was what the email was about?05:20
=== pygi nods :)
ograno, that was only to confuse you :P05:21
pygiogra, lol :)05:21
=== mhz is confused....like the Pokemon Trading Card Game my son used to play
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mhzrofl05:22
ograthere are no bugs in LTSP !05:22
ograonly whishlist ones ...05:22
ogra:)05:22
Seveasjedi-ogra05:22
pygiogra, in stock LTSP ofcourse no, but in your implementation... :)05:22
ogra:P05:22
pygimhz, so whenever you feel ready to send me a mail =P05:23
mhzpygi: also... during yesterday's edubuntu meeting, someone asked "why EHB is not using official repo's" As I am newbie to this team, I really have not other arguments than the "diff yes/no opinions from DocTeam during previous EHB meetings" So, can we know the real arguments?05:24
mhzpygi: sure05:24
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pygimhz, hm, who asked this again?!!!05:24
pygiI settled this already05:24
pygifor million times05:24
mhzwell, let's make it miilion and one05:25
mhz:)05:25
pygiI refuse :P Anyway, don't worry about that, we WILL be using docteam repos05:25
mhzsince?05:26
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pygiwell, as soon as we make some substantial "patch-based" contribution05:26
pygidoc team uses SVN, IMHO05:26
pygiIHMO* or whatever05:26
mhzpygi: sorry I am ignorant but.. "pathc-based" contribution? What is that?05:27
mhzpatch05:27
pygiwell, we provide patches (which contain our handbook) to the docteam, they commit, and that's it :P05:28
mhzaahhh05:28
mhzgot it05:28
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mhzso, regular procedure is: John writes a txt, he sends it to pygi or HedgeMage, they make it DocBook, they send it to DocTeam, DocTeam commits?05:29
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pygiregular procedure is: John get temp svn access, commits it, pygi & hedge check it, put it in DocBook, send a patch to docteam, mdke commits :P05:30
mhzclear as water05:31
mhz(clean water)05:31
mhzpygi: the depth of chapter content depends on the writer?05:32
pygihm, well, if it's not in-depth enough, then we say it, writer must rewrite chapter to accomodate05:32
mhzok05:32
mhzwill we include screenshots (they are always well received by readers)?05:33
pygiofcourse, always05:33
mhzif so, any particular 'regulation'? (size, resolution, etc)05:33
mhzI know I have not read current doc and I will as soon as I send you the email to get SVN acces. However, when I worked with designers in Chile, they always work on a 'diagramacion' (in spanish, that is the way we distribuite elements on a page area). There are diff 'arguments' on why to choose this or that 'diagrmacion' depending on what we want the reader to experience. Do we consider 'diagramacion' for EHB?05:37
mhzpygi: ?05:38
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pyginop :P05:39
pygisec05:39
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pygiwell, we could arrange some size and resolution05:39
pygiany proposals?05:39
mhznot yet from me until I read/see what is done05:42
mhz;)05:42
mhzpygi: and how about 'diagramacion'?05:43
pygitranslate that to pure english pls? :P05:43
mhz"that is the way we distribuite elements on a page area). There are diff 'arguments' on why to choose this or that 'diagrmacion' depending on what we want the reader to experience."05:44
mhzExample: two column text, pictures on the right, not left   or    1 column text, pictures on the left05:45
mhzit is just that, the way we place elements on a page area05:45
mhzpygi: ?05:49
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pygihm, well, that will be solved once we go to docbook05:50
mhzwell, anyways, I have been collecting my notes on installing and some edubuntu settings for less powerful hardware servers05:50
pygifor writing purposes, just do however you like05:50
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mhzso, my guess is I'll be able to start writing for EHB from tuesday, and dedicate about 2 hours a day05:51
mhzI have written howtos, speeches and articles, never book chapters05:52
mhzso this will be a totally new experience for me05:52
mhzI will first focus on those 'lighter desktop' details and once done, I'll be able to take other chapters05:53
mhzpygi: IIRC, HedgeMage had suggested the lighter desktop chapter would go as 5th chapter?05:53
pygithat's fine mhz 05:54
pygiabout never writing chapters, don't worry, we are all here to help each other05:54
mhzcool05:56
mhzand also here to tackle ogra :D05:57
pygimhz, hehe :)05:57
lloydinhoHi there! I was reading up on the meeting so far, and I have a question: It does sound like this is going to be a real doc team project (with you being the doc team members working on it) - is that right?05:58
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mhzpygi: so, anything else we need to discuss for now, besides setting next week meeting date?05:59
pygilloydinho, indeed, why do you ask?05:59
pygimhz, lloydinho is here :P06:00
mhzyup06:00
lloydinhoheh. sorry I've been lurking.. :-P06:00
lloydinhoIf so, I would suggest that you add the Edubuntu Handbook to the other DocTeam projects on the Projects list in the wiki06:00
lloydinhohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects06:00
pygilloydinho, not yet :)06:01
pygiThere is time for that :)06:01
lloydinhoThat way it will be easier to coordinate the different projects.06:01
lloydinhoOh, okay - so you're planning to do it eventually?06:01
lloydinho:)06:01
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pygianything else we can do for you or can we set meeting date/time?06:02
lloydinhocool. Then I won't disturb you any more. Just wanted to make sure... :)06:02
pygilloydinho, you arent disturbing :)06:02
lloydinhoThat's good. I'm looking forward to you guys announcing the Handbook on the Doc Team list, then.. :)06:03
=== pygi wonders if lloydinho is doc team member :P
=== pygi thinks he probably is :)
pygimhz, poke, date/time? :)06:04
=== lloydinho thinks he probably should become one at some point...
=== pygi nods :P
mhzpygi: same station, same time? 06:05
pygimhz, you awake? :)06:05
mhzor rotate?06:05
pygihm, rather rotate06:05
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mhz(yeah, a TZ UTC spreadsheet)06:07
=== pygi thinks 20UTC should be fine, wednesday
mhzpygi: yeah, 20 UTC wednesday..I could make it, thoug it is in the middle of the day...but we'll rotate so I can't complain06:10
mhz20 UTC, Wed06:10
mhzoh, pygi can it be Thursdays?06:10
mhzwednesdays are edubuntu's06:11
pygihm, sure06:11
mhzpygi: so, 20 UTC Thursday06:11
mhzHedgeMage: cool?06:11
pygi sure mhz 06:12
pygiHedgeMage, she isnt here06:12
mhzokis06:13
mhzanything else today?06:13
mhzRichEd: ?06:13
pyginop, not really06:13
mhzogra: ?06:13
RichEdnope ... i'm fine ...06:13
mhzpygi: you are +2 or -7 ?06:14
pygimhz, +206:14
pygiHedgeMage is -706:14
mhzokis06:14
mhzi had only added the diff not names :)06:15
jsgotangcohey guys im online but doing something at the moment will just read the log later06:15
mhzjsgotangco: sure06:16
mhzpygi: adjurned?06:16
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pygimhz, pure english pls? :)06:16
pygibut sure, we are done :P06:16
mhzpygi: thx06:17
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pygiraphink, cbx33 :)06:49
raphinkhi pygi06:49
pygihey raphink 06:50
raphink:)06:50
raphinkhow are you?06:50
pygiI am fantastic, what about you?:)06:50
cbx33hi cbx33 raphink 06:50
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Klaidas@schedule vilnius06:54
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Vilnius: 28 Jul 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 23:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 23:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team06:54
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fouadbajwahi ompaul08:54
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chuck@schedule montreal11:59
UbugtuSchedule for America/Montreal: 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team11:59
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pygi@schedule Zagreb12:02
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Zagreb: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team12:02
naliothwhen is the next CC meeting?12:02

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