[12:15] <Seveas> jarufe, please disable away messages in here
[05:17] <zul> @schedule montreal
[05:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:36] <sladen> @schedule
[08:36] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 27 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:31] <shawarma> @schedule Copenhagen
[11:31] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:33] <Arbiter> @schedule Rome
[12:33] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:44] <rodarvus> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 27 Jul 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:59] <Seveas> @now amsterdam
[04:59] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Amsterdam: July 27 2006, 16:59:24 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 8 hours 0 minutes
[04:59] <Seveas> @topic
[04:59] <ogra> dont you have a watch :P
[04:59] <RichEd> hi all ...
[05:00] <Seveas> ogra, I use @now instead of @schedule to find the next meeting 
[05:00] <ogra> ah
[05:02] <HedgeMage> :)
[05:02] <mhz> Who is here for Edubuntu Handbook Meeting?
[05:02] <HedgeMage> me, sort of 
[05:02] <pygi> Hello people, and welcome to the Edubuntu Handbook meeting
[05:02] <HedgeMage> pygi will run things because I'm going to have to cut out
[05:02] <mhz> sure
[05:02] <HedgeMage> I'll be logging though so hilight me if I should know something :)
[05:03] <pygi> ok, now, who is here for the meeting?
[05:04] <RichEd> i'm here are lurking
[05:04] <RichEd> and <- and
[05:04] <RichEd> (multi-tasking .. and as you can see ... not too gracefully)
[05:05] <pygi> hey RichEd, welcome to our "not-so-much-visited" meeting :)
[05:05] <RichEd> thanks ... i'm just a fly on the wall today ... but will be watching with interest
[05:06] <mhz> pygi: you are
[05:06] <pygi> mhz, seems it's only two of us on this meeting (3 if we count Hedgemage)
[05:06] <mhz> and 4 if we count the flies
[05:06] <pygi> and it seems we can only count on us for sure to contribute to the Edgy Handbook
[05:06] <mhz> :)
[05:07] <pygi> right, 4 with the flies :)
[05:07] <mhz> So far, yes. However, I have 2 people for proofread it
[05:07] <mhz> when time is adequate
[05:07] <mhz> and 4 peopole to translate it
[05:07] <pygi> Anyway, we've got the deadlines last time, and we've got the chapters layout
[05:07] <mhz> yup
[05:07] <RichEd> i will also be interested in a doing a proof read ...
[05:08] <pygi> RichEd, ofcourse :)
[05:08] <mhz> now 3 and counting!
[05:08] <mhz> pygi: could you shoot current status, please?
[05:08] <pygi> mhz, I would suggest that we start writing from September, 8
[05:08] <mhz> why from?
[05:08] <mhz> I thought it was "from ASAP"
[05:09] <pygi> mhz, current status is "bad", tho the Handbook will be ready for Edgy even if only one person had to write it :P
[05:09] <mhz> hehe
[05:09] <mhz> why "bad"?
[05:09] <pygi> Well, it is from ASAP (the general stuff), but the "changes", shots, and stuff wont change from September 8 I think as it's a freeze then
[05:09] <mhz> can we make it "good"?
[05:09] <pygi> Indeed, we can
[05:09] <pygi> we must start writing, at least the general stuff :)
[05:10] <mhz> indeed
[05:10] <pygi> hm, what's the link to our edgy layout?
[05:10] <mhz> Do ,we the writers, know about Edgy stuff enough to put it on EHB?
[05:10] <mhz> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyOutline
[05:11] <pygi> well, we probably do, I don't see what the problem might be
[05:11] <pygi> I did several implementation myself, and written part of Edubuntu Dapper Cookbook
[05:11] <mhz> but either my ISP or ubuntu's server is down or too slow
[05:11] <pygi> You probably know enough, and Hedge has proven to be great too :)
[05:11] <pygi> ubuntu server is slow
[05:12] <mhz> pygi: yeah, so Edgy wont be too diff from Dapper in terms of EHB knowhow?
[05:12] <pygi> well, not much really, but the Edgy cookbook must be more detailed
[05:12] <pygi> the Dapper cookbook was missing some stuff
[05:12] <pygi> like update-ssh-keys (or whatever), security, things...
[05:13] <mhz> hmm, then, maybe we missed something at deadlines
[05:14] <mhz> we have not considered Tech guys (ogra and others) to pre-read it and let us know what must be put before freeze
[05:14] <pygi> Don't worry, all will be good this time :)
[05:15] <mhz> cool
[05:15] <mhz> in 
[05:15] <mhz> hehehe
[05:15] <ogra> pygi, so you have someone takig over my job that i have time to do proof reading ?
[05:16] <pygi> ogra, I think everyone will be willing to help if they/we can  ;)
[05:17] <mhz> yeah, and we need to make (maybe) a mini campaign to motivate proofreaders?
[05:17] <pygi> could be, and motivate people to help ogra :P
[05:17] <mhz> hehehe
[05:17] <mhz> nah, that is way out of my league
[05:18] <mhz> we all love JaneW, so cool!
[05:19] <pygi> RichEd, she's always been helpfull with the Cookbook :)
[05:19] <mhz> pygi: so, could you explain the email about SVN on the ML? I understood almost nothing
[05:20] <pygi> right :)
[05:20] <pygi> I need the username and password you would like for temporary repository we'll be using :)
[05:20] <mhz> that was what the email was about?
[05:21] <ogra> no, that was only to confuse you :P
[05:21] <pygi> ogra, lol :)
[05:22] <mhz> rofl
[05:22] <ogra> there are no bugs in LTSP !
[05:22] <ogra> only whishlist ones ...
[05:22] <ogra> :)
[05:22] <Seveas> jedi-ogra
[05:22] <pygi> ogra, in stock LTSP ofcourse no, but in your implementation... :)
[05:22] <ogra> :P
[05:23] <pygi> mhz, so whenever you feel ready to send me a mail =P
[05:24] <mhz> pygi: also... during yesterday's edubuntu meeting, someone asked "why EHB is not using official repo's" As I am newbie to this team, I really have not other arguments than the "diff yes/no opinions from DocTeam during previous EHB meetings" So, can we know the real arguments?
[05:24] <mhz> pygi: sure
[05:24] <pygi> mhz, hm, who asked this again?!!!
[05:24] <pygi> I settled this already
[05:24] <pygi> for million times
[05:25] <mhz> well, let's make it miilion and one
[05:25] <mhz> :)
[05:25] <pygi> I refuse :P Anyway, don't worry about that, we WILL be using docteam repos
[05:26] <mhz> since?
[05:26] <pygi> well, as soon as we make some substantial "patch-based" contribution
[05:26] <pygi> doc team uses SVN, IMHO
[05:26] <pygi> IHMO* or whatever
[05:27] <mhz> pygi: sorry I am ignorant but.. "pathc-based" contribution? What is that?
[05:27] <mhz> patch
[05:28] <pygi> well, we provide patches (which contain our handbook) to the docteam, they commit, and that's it :P
[05:28] <mhz> aahhh
[05:28] <mhz> got it
[05:29] <mhz> so, regular procedure is: John writes a txt, he sends it to pygi or HedgeMage, they make it DocBook, they send it to DocTeam, DocTeam commits?
[05:30] <pygi> regular procedure is: John get temp svn access, commits it, pygi & hedge check it, put it in DocBook, send a patch to docteam, mdke commits :P
[05:31] <mhz> clear as water
[05:31] <mhz> (clean water)
[05:32] <mhz> pygi: the depth of chapter content depends on the writer?
[05:32] <pygi> hm, well, if it's not in-depth enough, then we say it, writer must rewrite chapter to accomodate
[05:32] <mhz> ok
[05:33] <mhz> will we include screenshots (they are always well received by readers)?
[05:33] <pygi> ofcourse, always
[05:33] <mhz> if so, any particular 'regulation'? (size, resolution, etc)
[05:37] <mhz> I know I have not read current doc and I will as soon as I send you the email to get SVN acces. However, when I worked with designers in Chile, they always work on a 'diagramacion' (in spanish, that is the way we distribuite elements on a page area). There are diff 'arguments' on why to choose this or that 'diagrmacion' depending on what we want the reader to experience. Do we consider 'diagramacion' for EHB?
[05:38] <mhz> pygi: ?
[05:39] <pygi> nop :P
[05:39] <pygi> sec
[05:39] <pygi> well, we could arrange some size and resolution
[05:39] <pygi> any proposals?
[05:42] <mhz> not yet from me until I read/see what is done
[05:42] <mhz> ;)
[05:43] <mhz> pygi: and how about 'diagramacion'?
[05:43] <pygi> translate that to pure english pls? :P
[05:44] <mhz> "that is the way we distribuite elements on a page area). There are diff 'arguments' on why to choose this or that 'diagrmacion' depending on what we want the reader to experience."
[05:45] <mhz> Example: two column text, pictures on the right, not left   or    1 column text, pictures on the left
[05:45] <mhz> it is just that, the way we place elements on a page area
[05:49] <mhz> pygi: ?
[05:50] <pygi> hm, well, that will be solved once we go to docbook
[05:50] <mhz> well, anyways, I have been collecting my notes on installing and some edubuntu settings for less powerful hardware servers
[05:50] <pygi> for writing purposes, just do however you like
[05:51] <mhz> so, my guess is I'll be able to start writing for EHB from tuesday, and dedicate about 2 hours a day
[05:52] <mhz> I have written howtos, speeches and articles, never book chapters
[05:52] <mhz> so this will be a totally new experience for me
[05:53] <mhz> I will first focus on those 'lighter desktop' details and once done, I'll be able to take other chapters
[05:53] <mhz> pygi: IIRC, HedgeMage had suggested the lighter desktop chapter would go as 5th chapter?
[05:54] <pygi> that's fine mhz 
[05:54] <pygi> about never writing chapters, don't worry, we are all here to help each other
[05:56] <mhz> cool
[05:57] <mhz> and also here to tackle ogra :D
[05:57] <pygi> mhz, hehe :)
[05:58] <lloydinho> Hi there! I was reading up on the meeting so far, and I have a question: It does sound like this is going to be a real doc team project (with you being the doc team members working on it) - is that right?
[05:59] <mhz> pygi: so, anything else we need to discuss for now, besides setting next week meeting date?
[05:59] <pygi> lloydinho, indeed, why do you ask?
[06:00] <pygi> mhz, lloydinho is here :P
[06:00] <mhz> yup
[06:00] <lloydinho> heh. sorry I've been lurking.. :-P
[06:00] <lloydinho> If so, I would suggest that you add the Edubuntu Handbook to the other DocTeam projects on the Projects list in the wiki
[06:00] <lloydinho> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects
[06:01] <pygi> lloydinho, not yet :)
[06:01] <pygi> There is time for that :)
[06:01] <lloydinho> That way it will be easier to coordinate the different projects.
[06:01] <lloydinho> Oh, okay - so you're planning to do it eventually?
[06:01] <lloydinho> :)
[06:02] <pygi> anything else we can do for you or can we set meeting date/time?
[06:02] <lloydinho> cool. Then I won't disturb you any more. Just wanted to make sure... :)
[06:02] <pygi> lloydinho, you arent disturbing :)
[06:03] <lloydinho> That's good. I'm looking forward to you guys announcing the Handbook on the Doc Team list, then.. :)
[06:04] <pygi> mhz, poke, date/time? :)
[06:05] <mhz> pygi: same station, same time? 
[06:05] <pygi> mhz, you awake? :)
[06:05] <mhz> or rotate?
[06:05] <pygi> hm, rather rotate
[06:07] <mhz> (yeah, a TZ UTC spreadsheet)
[06:10] <mhz> pygi: yeah, 20 UTC wednesday..I could make it, thoug it is in the middle of the day...but we'll rotate so I can't complain
[06:10] <mhz> 20 UTC, Wed
[06:10] <mhz> oh, pygi can it be Thursdays?
[06:11] <mhz> wednesdays are edubuntu's
[06:11] <pygi> hm, sure
[06:11] <mhz> pygi: so, 20 UTC Thursday
[06:11] <mhz> HedgeMage: cool?
[06:12] <pygi>  sure mhz 
[06:12] <pygi> HedgeMage, she isnt here
[06:13] <mhz> okis
[06:13] <mhz> anything else today?
[06:13] <mhz> RichEd: ?
[06:13] <pygi> nop, not really
[06:13] <mhz> ogra: ?
[06:13] <RichEd> nope ... i'm fine ...
[06:14] <mhz> pygi: you are +2 or -7 ?
[06:14] <pygi> mhz, +2
[06:14] <pygi> HedgeMage is -7
[06:14] <mhz> okis
[06:15] <mhz> i had only added the diff not names :)
[06:15] <jsgotangco> hey guys im online but doing something at the moment will just read the log later
[06:16] <mhz> jsgotangco: sure
[06:16] <mhz> pygi: adjurned?
[06:16] <pygi> mhz, pure english pls? :)
[06:16] <pygi> but sure, we are done :P
[06:17] <mhz> pygi: thx
[06:49] <pygi> raphink, cbx33 :)
[06:49] <raphink> hi pygi
[06:50] <pygi> hey raphink 
[06:50] <raphink> :)
[06:50] <raphink> how are you?
[06:50] <pygi> I am fantastic, what about you?:)
[06:50] <cbx33> hi cbx33 raphink 
[06:54] <Klaidas> @schedule vilnius
[06:54] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 28 Jul 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 23:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 23:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:54] <fouadbajwa> hi ompaul
[11:59] <chuck> @scedule now
[11:59] <chuck> @schedule montreal
[11:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:02] <pygi> @schedule Zagreb
[12:02] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zagreb: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:02] <nalioth> when is the next CC meeting?