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shawarmacrimsun: Have you looked at axiom at all?12:09
crimsunno12:09
shawarmacrimsun: mkay.12:10
ryanakcacrimsun: you stutturing at me? or at someone else ???12:10
ryanakcahmmm... most of the ones on "candidates" look difficult...12:11
shawarmawhiskey... tango.. foxtrot...12:11
shawarmaI'm building axiom.. I'm looking at the build log and nothing is happening. I get curious and check ps.. There's a "sleep 1800" running. Owner: 1234 (the pbuilder uid)..12:12
ograsounds like it takes a deep breath before it explodes :P12:13
shawarmaogra: Yeah. good thing the server's at the other end of the country, so I'm not around when she blows. :-)12:14
shawarmaah... it appears that debian/rules binary target echoes a tick every 1800 seconds to show that it's still running.12:15
crimsunryanakca: I'm musing over your "easy to package packages that need packaging".12:15
ryanakcalol12:15
shawarmaI get the feeling this is going to be a slooooooooow build.12:15
ryanakcathought so :)12:15
ryanakcamost of the one's I've attempted so far are error galore12:15
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ryanakcahmmm... the source directory has ./configure, Makefile.am & Makefile.in, but no "Makefile"... what do I do?? (If you feel like forwarding me to a HOWTO, that's fine :) )01:01
TheMusoryanakca: Thats how it should be. Many packages come like that.01:04
TheMusothe configure script creates the Makefile.01:04
ryanakca./configure didn't create one :)01:04
TheMusoWell it may have failed. Did you see any error messages?01:05
ryanakcanevermind :)01:05
ryanakcaignorance on my part :)01:05
kmiloryanakca, welcome to autotools http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotools01:09
ryanakca:)01:11
kmilothere are strange and complicated but very popular01:12
zulwohoo...amd64 is building now01:12
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ryanakcahmmm... this app is wonderfull... it has a dependency that isn't in the repositories.... how would I test it with pbuilder if the dependency isn't in Universe/repos?01:14
zulyou would have to create a package for the dependency01:14
ryanakcathat's what I'm doing :)01:15
ryanakcabut pbuilder gets all dependencies from Universe/Multiverse... so once I've packaged dependency, how will I pbuild the app?01:15
ryanakcaor do I have it all wrong?01:15
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LaserJockthere are a couple things you can do I think01:23
LaserJockwhat I've done in the past was set up a mini repo that I put the first package in and gave that in the OTHERMIRROR line with Universe and Multiverse01:24
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LaserJockbut I think you can actually install the first package into your pbuilder or use a bindmount or something01:25
ryanakcabindmount? install the first package into my pbuilder? I'm lost :)01:25
ryanakcaI think setting up a mini repo is probably easier... Se veas has some kind of app for doing that I think.. right?01:26
ryanakcahe uses it for his repos...01:26
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LaserJockryanakca: I used mini-dinstall I think01:27
LaserJockthe other ways I've seen are easier but you have to know what to do and my brain seems unable to remember what it was01:28
shawarmaryanakca: has he released it now?01:31
shawarmaryanakca: Anyhow, I use reprepro. It works really well.01:32
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ryanakcashawarma: dunno01:36
shawarmaryanakca: I talked to him about it about six months ago, I think. He was just about to release it, but I needed something right away.01:38
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ryanakcashawarma: I don't see any link to it on his page01:39
ryanakcareprepro it is :)01:40
shawarmaryanakca: Feel free to steal my configuration file: http://www.linux2go.dk/ubuntu/conf/distributions01:41
shawarmaGah... I need to get some sleep. It's almost 2am here.01:42
shawarmaG'night, guys!01:42
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jabraif I have a package I would like to submit for review is dapper still ok or do I need to dist-upgrade to a newer version?02:08
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crimsunjabra: edgy. Nothing new goes into dapper, which is a frozen, released distro.02:18
ajmitchhi02:18
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crimsunhi ajmitch02:18
jabrak02:20
jabraI will switch to edgy then02:20
jabrathanks02:20
crimsunjabra: you don't have to switch to edgy, but be aware that packages will have to be targetted for edgy.02:20
jabrawell i'm buildin a vm02:21
jabrawait this might actually solve my problem02:22
jabraif I get this package accepted into debian how long would it take to get into edgy02:23
crimsunit can just be synced in02:24
crimsununtil late Sept., that is02:24
jabraso I guess I should just focus on that02:25
jabraanychance you could review a debian package?02:25
crimsunjabra: more context/URL?02:59
ryanakcashawarma: back, ty03:00
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LaserJock\o/03:10
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kmilobye03:19
LaserJockbddebian!03:19
ajmitchhey LaserJock03:19
ajmitchLaserJock: can you make some changes to the packaging guide about REVU?03:20
bddebianHeya gang03:20
bddebianLaserJock!!!!!!!!03:20
LaserJockajmitch: perhaps, what's on your mind?03:20
ajmitchsince at the moment it's telling people to send their key in - it needs updated to mention joining the launchpad group03:20
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LaserJockbddebian: I'm in xchat, in Ubuntu, on my intel mac!03:20
bddebianSweet03:20
ajmitchwe're getting a number of people still sending their keys to us03:21
LaserJockajmitch: ok03:21
ajmitchupdated details should be on the REVU wiki page03:21
LaserJock!revu03:22
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU03:22
jabracrimsun: trying to upload it to the mentors site but it is saying the gpg key is failing03:23
LaserJockajmitch: ok, added it to my TODO03:26
ajmitchthanks03:26
LaserJockbbl03:26
jabracrimsun: it said my public key was not found03:27
jabrathough when I logged in it has it right03:27
jabraand i'm using the same key to sign the packages03:28
ryanakcadunno if this is the right channel to ask this, but oh well :)03:28
ryanakca"sudo reprepro -Vb /etc/reprepro includedeb edgy /var/cache/pbuilder/result/typespeed_0.5.1-1_i386.deb" gives me this error: "gpgme gave error: No Passphrase". What's wrong?03:28
crimsunjabra: are you referring to REVU or mentors.debian?03:28
jabramentors03:29
crimsunjabra: I'm not familiar w/ mentors.debian, sorry.03:31
crimsuna few others here are03:31
jabraanyone know what i'm doing wrong03:32
jabrathe error that was in the mail was gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found03:33
jabrawait I think I know why03:34
jabranopes03:40
bddebianshawarma: ping?03:44
ajmitchoh goody, Xgl at least starts now04:02
Lathiati upgraded to edgy and this new fandangled UUID stuff renders my system unbootable :)04:18
jabracrimsun: got it uploaded04:18
Lathiati did manage to boot by going back to my way oldest dapper kernel adn changign to root=/dev/md204:18
Lathiatbut root=/dev/md2 on a new kernel just sits there forver 'waiting for rootdevice'04:19
Lathiat;p04:19
jabrahttp://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/p/pbnj04:19
jabrahttp://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/libnmap-parser-perl/04:19
ajmitchLathiat: lucky you04:21
ajmitchLathiat: I haven't tried rebooting with the new kernel yet04:21
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bddebianOK, where the hell is acidrip in Debian?04:30
tsengif you are going to continue posting your random thoughts on irc, do you really have to swear at us?04:31
tsengit doesnt appear to be in debian04:32
tsengits in marillat04:32
bddebianSwear AT you?04:32
tsengwhich probably means its too scary to distribute.04:32
tsengoh04:33
tsengI thought you were bluefoxicy04:33
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tsengvery sleepy.04:33
bddebian:-)04:33
bluefoxicywhat04:33
bddebianwb LaserJock04:33
tsenghe usually runs through with random comments like that swearing up a storm04:33
bluefoxicytseng what the hell are you talking about04:33
tsenghaha.04:33
bddebianHmm, it seems a few of the packages on slomo's list are from Marillat, etc04:33
ajmitchtseng: no, bddebian usually says 'WTF??'04:34
bddebianYep04:34
tsenghaha.04:34
bddebianI honestly get no freakin' love around here..04:34
ajmitchyou'll survive04:35
whiprushI love you dude.04:35
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LaserJockbddebian: hmm, have you looked at the build logs for the packages up synced/merged?04:39
LaserJockbddebian: in particular regina-normal isn't building on much04:40
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bddebianLaserJock: No not yet04:41
bddebianI hate not having other archs to build on04:42
LaserJockit looks like i386 is really backed up04:42
bddebianAye :-(04:43
ajmitchOOo04:43
ajmitchwhen 3+ uploads are made in a short time, nothing else has a chance04:44
LaserJockbut wouldn't that hit all the arch's the same or is OOo only built i386?04:45
ajmitchppc & sparc are both building OOo at the moment04:46
ajmitchhttps://launchpad.net/+builds04:46
ajmitchoh, and amd64, except amd64 has 1 idle buildd04:46
bddebianDoes marillat have a web site?04:46
ajmitchbddebian: talk to slomo before touching them04:47
bddebianHe's the one that asked me to look at them04:47
LaserJockah, so so you became somebody else's slave?04:47
LaserJock;-)04:48
bddebianWell you told me to stop requesting syncs :-)04:49
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Laser_awayfine, be that way ;-)04:52
bddebianAck, oleo04:54
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ajmitchah, my fonts are so very messed up04:59
bddebianfonts suck04:59
ajmitchsuch a helpful remark04:59
bddebian:-)04:59
bddebianThat's me, Mr. Helpful05:00
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LaserJOckbddebian: lol05:21
LaserJOckwhat a comment in -devel :-)05:21
ajmitchodd people05:21
bddebianLaserJOck: :-)05:21
bddebianI love you too ajmitch05:21
ajmitchI really hope mvo speeds up apt again05:21
ajmitchpbuilder checking lots of build-depends takes about as long as the compile itself05:22
bddebianAye05:22
ajmitchespecially with this many split X packages05:22
ajmitchall that waiting for pbuilder, and I forgot to update the patch05:24
bddebianheh05:27
ajmitchI should really move it to bzr05:27
ajmitchor git05:27
ajmitchgit may be a better choice, since it's a snapshot of a git tree05:28
crimsunedgy's git knocks the pants off dapper's (unsurprisingly)05:29
ajmitchI've never got to learn it properly05:30
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LaserJOckis git pretty user friendly?05:35
LaserJOckfor somebody who has used svn and bzr before?05:36
ajmitchI never found it that friendly05:36
LaserJOckhmm, that's not a good sign05:37
ajmitchcrimsun has used it a lot more :)05:37
crimsungit-core is the 'plumbing'; I recommend trying a gui frontend ('porcelain')05:38
ajmitchlike cogito?05:39
crimsunyep05:39
ajmitchit'd probably make my life easier05:39
crimsunLaserJOck: git's really good at certain things and not very good at others; I've only used it for kernel stuff05:39
bddebianA GUI?  Sacrilege :)05:39
LaserJOckbddebian: sometimes it's the only thing we've got ;-)05:44
bddebianI like GUIs for a lot of things, I am just being my normal irritating smart-alec05:45
LaserJOcktoday I tried out a nice GUI OS X app for scp and sftp out05:46
LaserJOckvery nice05:46
LaserJOckcalled fugu05:46
ajmitchnice, X fails to start on the laptop. things are looking up05:47
bddebianheh05:48
ajmitchI suspect it's the module ABI problem, since it can't load the i810 driver05:49
crimsunthere's a deb in tiber:~ built against the newest ABI if you want to use it05:50
crimsunthough it's for i38605:51
ajmitchcrimsun: too late, it's already building here05:51
crimsun:)05:51
crimsunAIGLX seems to be much more 'responsive' than XGL thus far (using xfwm4's compositor)05:52
ajmitchcrimsun: you have AIGLX enabled?05:52
crimsunyeah, it's enabled by default in the new xserver-xorg-core05:52
ajmitchI didn't think that rodarvus was enabling that in his initial upload05:52
ajmitchinteresting, will try that05:52
crimsunthe only change I made to xorg.conf was to load the composite extension05:53
ajmitchamazing how much slower the laptop's disk is05:54
ajmitchrecompile of driver worked though05:55
ajmitchah, I already had composite enabled05:55
ajmitchcrimsun: does AIGLX show up in xdpyinfo?05:56
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crimsunnot that I can tell05:56
ajmitchhm, interesting05:56
ajmitchbug 54205 only shows on my amd6405:56
UbugtuMalone bug 54205 in gtk-engines "font rendering broken in edgy" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5420505:56
ajmitch(could be freetype)05:57
crimsunhmm, quite possibly05:57
crimsunthe first line from ``grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log'' shows AIGLX enabled here05:57
ajmitchhappens in konsole as well, so I doubt it's gtk2-engines05:57
Amaranthnow i just need a driver that supports GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap (damn nvidia)05:57
ajmitchcrimsun: yes, enabled here too. good05:58
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ajmitchcurrent spiftacity package breaks impressively05:59
ajmitchI'm guessing xubuntu-desktop seed needs updated for gtk2-engines?06:00
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crimsunah, it's libthunar-vfs-106:02
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ajmitchodd, the font rendering bug goes away when I use Xgl06:06
ajmitchcrimsun: xfce looks really nice, it's improved a lot since I last tried it :)06:17
ajmitchcompositing is quite fast, too06:18
crimsun:)  Mostly Jani's and Gauvain's poking, along with nomed's.06:18
crimsunyeah, I'm very impressed.06:18
ajmitchdo you know how to get xfce4-terminal to respect alt+left/right?06:19
ajmitchfor irssi+screen, that is06:19
crimsunno, may be a compat issue06:20
ajmitchmost terminals don't let me do it06:20
crimsunsince alt+# changes xfce4-terminal tabs instead of irssi buffers06:21
ajmitchalt+number works06:21
whiprushajmitch: stupid question.06:28
ajmitchyessir?06:28
whiprushbut doesn't aiglx come with xorg 7.1 built in?06:29
ajmitchother way round06:29
whiprushyeah06:29
whiprushwow, that was a horrible sentence06:29
bddebianGnight folks06:29
ajmitchhowever it's a build-time option06:29
whiprushah, I see06:29
ajmitchand I thought rodarvus may not have enabled it yet06:29
whiprushnow that makes sense06:29
ajmitchgiven his answer yesterday of:06:30
ajmitch13:56 < rodarvus> mjg59, not right now (it wasn't specced), but I plan to, if time allows06:30
ajmitch13:56 < rodarvus> not sure if its going to happen for Edgy, though06:31
whiprushcool06:31
imbrandonmoins all06:31
ajmitchbut yeah, all you need to do is enable the composite extension, if it wasn't already06:31
ajmitchhi imbrandon06:31
imbrandonheya ajmitch06:31
whiprushhi imbrandon06:31
imbrandonhiya whiprush06:31
imbrandonlooks like good news on the ML ;)06:32
whiprushsigns point to a sweet Fridge in the future!06:32
ajmitchmore shady dealings?06:32
whiprushnah, opening it up to the community06:32
whiprushlots of volunteers.06:32
whiprushreally good stuff happening06:33
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imbrandonyea , tis lookin good06:33
imbrandonhrm ....06:34
LaserJOckhi imbrandon06:35
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imbrandonhey hey LaserJOck06:35
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imbrandonheh i was wondering about the O06:35
imbrandon;)06:35
LaserJocktypo06:37
imbrandonsure <eg>06:37
imbrandoni found 3 more laptops for good prices on craigslist today, might go pick them up and load dapper on them and resell them ;)06:38
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ajmitchhi viviersf06:41
viviersflo ajmitch06:42
viviersfi cant believe im at work this early :/06:42
imbrandonheh06:42
ajmitchheh, how early is it?06:42
viviersf6:30 am06:42
imbrandonahh thats not tooooo bad06:42
imbrandon5:30 sucks06:43
ajmitch6:30 still hurts06:43
viviersfim not used to it tho06:43
ajmitchthat's more like time to go to bed06:43
imbrandonhahah how true06:43
imbrandonits about midnight here and i'm just really getting going for the night06:43
imbrandon;)06:43
imbrandonany irssi users here ? is there a way to have sound notification when your name is hilighted ?06:45
ajmitchI doubt it06:45
imbrandonbecouse colloquy isnt cutting it06:46
ajmitchmaybe you could hack some script together for it06:46
imbrandonyea true , trigger mpg123 to play a short mp3 or something06:46
LaserJockI wonder if macirssi would do it06:47
imbrandonosx really lacks alot, what it does do it does good but alot of simple things i miss , probbaly time to just go 100% linux06:47
imbrandonLaserJock: yea thats what i'm using colloquy atm but need something better , was thinking irssi from fink06:48
imbrandoncolloquy was supose to be based on irssi in some strange way but i dont think thats the case anymore06:49
imbrandonreally honestly the only reason i keep osx on here is becouse of quicktime player06:50
imbrandonguess i could try to get all that working on ppc in linux ;)06:50
crimsunhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg04246.html06:50
imbrandonyou rock crimsun06:50
crimsungoogle rocks.06:50
ajmitchscary06:51
imbrandonheh06:51
ajmitchI could never handle that turned on in irssi06:51
ajmitchnot when my computer is in my room06:51
imbrandonwell you could turn beeps when away off06:52
imbrandonprobably be good06:52
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!lilo:*! early morning service is occurring on one of our temporary main rotation servers; about 1,419 users affected07:51
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dholbachgood morning09:53
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Toadstool'morning everybody10:13
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shawarmaryanakca: did you figure out the reprepro error?10:41
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Arbitergood day11:04
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ajmitchgreat, box is moderately unbootable now11:40
ajmitchout with the stack of live cds11:41
viviersflol ajmitch11:44
viviersfsame old same old11:44
ajmitchfun time to upgrade to edgy11:47
viviersf:/11:47
viviersfi think ill stick with dapper ;P11:48
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shawarmaWhich $TZ is bddebian in? (aka: when does he usualy show up here?)11:48
ajmitchinitramfs isn't loading my LVM volumes on RAID11:48
ajmitchshawarma: he's in the US11:48
ajmitchshows up at random times11:49
shawarmaajmitch: Heh. It would appear he logged off no more than 5 hours ago, so it'll probably be a few hours still.11:49
ajmitchah, bug 7274011:52
ajmitchbug 52740, that is11:52
UbugtuMalone bug 52740 in initramfs-tools "[EDGY]  Regression: can't boot from lvm root on raid anymore" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5274011:52
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snowblinkhi - is anyone working on Apache 2.2?11:58
Mithrandirsnowblink: yes.12:05
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snowblinkMithrandir, thanks. Is there a deb yet?12:06
Mithrandirsnowblink: yes and no.  It's not suitable for general consumption without a fair amount of testing of modules, but the apache debs themselves are almost there.12:07
snowblinkMithrandir, okay thanks. Will continue on with Apache 2.0 + Pound for the time being then. :)12:08
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zulhey02:40
shawarmahey, zul02:40
lloydinhohey shawarma, did you get my message?02:51
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Hobbseehi all!02:53
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Hobbseehi bjp :)02:53
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Arbiterheya Hobbsee :D02:56
ajmitchgood evening Hobbsee02:56
Hobbseehi Arbiter, ajmitch02:57
Hobbseea friend at a gaming forum has posted about how involved i am with ubuntu.  interseting.02:57
Arbiter??02:57
zuloooh...link?02:57
Hobbseehttp://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,5071.0.html02:57
ArbiterHobbsee, btw, can you review kdocker?02:59
Arbiter:)02:59
Hobbseehey now, i just got home!02:59
Hobbseei've got no idea what's happening around here.02:59
Arbiter:D02:59
bjpNice hobbsee :)03:01
zulwell...not much *is* happening03:02
Hobbseeah.03:02
Hobbseejust that forum thread03:02
shawarmalloydinho: Sure did. Right now it doesn't look like I'm going..03:06
lloydinhoaw, shame!03:06
shawarmalloydinho: Going to Italy for 10 days (7th - 17th), so another week on the go doesn't seem all that likely.03:06
lloydinhoshawarma: yes, that does seem a bit on the steep side.03:07
lloydinhoWould be fun, tho...03:07
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shawarmalloydinho: definitely!03:12
lloydinhoI'll guess if you're unavailable, I'll have to extend the offer to the MOTU mailing-list and see if anybody would interested...03:13
lloydinhoshawarma: BTW I still owe you the money, so send me some details so I can transfer them to you..03:14
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shawarmalloydinho: Will do.03:17
lloydinhoshawarma: cool.03:19
Hobbseehi shawarma03:20
shawarmahi Hobbsee !03:23
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shawarmaOh, it's late. gotta run!03:29
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bddebianHeya gang03:59
HobbseeLaser_away: ping, at some point04:00
ajmitchhello bddebian04:00
bddebianHeya ajmitch04:01
bddebianHi Hobbsee04:01
bddebianHobbsee:04:01
bddebianhamlib (1.2.5-7) unstable; urgency=low04:01
bddebian .04:01
bddebian   * Update to new python policy04:01
bddebian   * Update standards version 3.7.204:01
bddebian   * This work by Barry deFreese of Ubuntu, thanks! Closes: #379191.04:01
Hobbseebddebian: yep, just saw in -devel :D04:01
ajmitchyay, spammed in 2 channels! :)04:01
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Hobbseeajmitch: hush you.04:01
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Hobbseegood ajmitch.  dont rain on the parade.04:01
bddebianajmitch: Yeah, sorry, I didn't think about Hobbsee being in both04:01
ryanakcashawarma: nope... I made my own repo from scratch :)04:05
ryanakcashawarma: join #debian and go "/msg dpkg own repo"  :)04:06
bddebianCrap, hamblib -7 isn't on the ftp yet :-(04:11
ajmitchbddebian: it can take up to a day04:12
ajmitchI see it on incoming.debian.org04:12
bddebianAh, thx04:12
ajmitchhm, not the .deb though04:13
ajmitchwhat are the binary names?04:13
bddebianI don't want the .deb, just the .dsc, etc04:13
ajmitchnever mind, they're there also04:13
bddebian libhamlib4-dev or some such04:13
ryanakcaautomake generates beautifull makefiles </sarcasm>04:17
bddebianhehe04:18
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ryanakcain a makefile, when editing for packaging,   sbindir = $(DESTDIR)/sbin     ?04:27
GloubiboulgaI'd say '$(DESTDIR)/$(PREFIX)/sbin'04:32
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bddebianGloubiboulga!  I got prismstumbler 0.7.3 to build but still have a couple issues04:33
Gloubiboulgabddebian, coool :)04:34
ajmitchGloubiboulga: currently trying out xfce, looking very nice04:34
Gloubiboulgaajmitch, I bet you'll switch to xubuntu very soon ;)04:35
ajmitchGloubiboulga: still many things in GNOME that I like :)04:35
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Gloubiboulgaajmitch, I've not tried Xgl, does it work fine?04:40
Gloubiboulga(with xfwm)04:41
ajmitchGloubiboulga: seems to, things seem a bit slow here on this nvidia card04:41
ajmitchI'm using packages built form the latest git checkout04:41
ryanakcaso... sbindir = ${prefix}/sbin    and        prefix = $(DESTDIR)/usr04:44
Gloubiboulgaryanakca, I guess04:45
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Hobbsee!packagingguide04:53
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources04:53
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bddebianHeya tuxmaniac04:56
ryanakcais the wiki down? I keep getting "timeout on server"...04:56
tuxmaniacbddebian> heya man04:56
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bddebianslomo: ping?05:46
slomopong05:46
bddebianslomo: On your list of merges that you showed me, many of them appear to be from Marillat or so.  Where should I get the source from?05:46
HobbseeLaser_away: we need to add http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu-policy/ch2#s2.1 to the packaging guide, somewhere.  it's incredibly useful, and i've only just found it.05:47
slomobddebian: the list _is_ a comparson between marillat (now known as debian multimedia) and ubuntu ;)05:47
slomobddebian: sources are at debian-multimedia.org/pool/main05:47
bddebianAck.05:47
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slomono need to feel stupid :)05:48
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bddebianslomo: Anything in the Outdated in Edgy list you don't want me to touch?05:49
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slomobddebian: unace, faac, faad, autopano-sift06:09
shawarmabddebian: Did you figure axiom out?06:09
hubwhat is wrong with autopano-sift?06:10
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slomobddebian: and acroread, transcode, mjpegtools, avidemux would be the most important ones for now :)06:10
shawarmaryanakca: If you go back to reprepro, the trick is to use either gpg-agent or pass the --ask-passphrase option to reprepro06:10
ryanakcaah06:11
ryanakcashawarma: I switched to Falcon :)06:11
shawarmaryanakca: I see. Never heard of it.06:12
ryanakcashawarma: .Seveas wrote it.... http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/dapper-seveas/all/06:12
shawarmabddebian: I managed to get it to compile and create packages just fine by tweaking it while it's building, but to get it to do it automagically? Sheesh.. that build system is SO messed up!06:12
hubslomo: what is wrong with autopano-sift?06:14
slomohub: do you want your package replaced with one from marillat which has broken packaging? ;)06:14
shawarmaryanakca: Ah.. I see.06:15
shawarmaryanakca: Maybe I should look into it. I really like the webpage generation bit.06:15
ryanakca:)06:16
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hubslomo: no I don't06:16
slomohub: (so nothing is wrong... but i don't want bddebian to merge it from marillat)06:16
hubah yeah06:16
slomoit's amazing how bad packages a DD can create *sigh*06:17
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hubyeah06:18
hubI'm not DD06:18
shawarmaslomo: Yeah. Especially considering the NM process. They're REALLY picky about who they take on, but as soon as you're a DD, apparantly you can get away with even the most broken packaging.06:20
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bddebianslomo: acroread, etc, you DO want me to do?06:20
Seveasshawarma, you can use the webpage thingie without using falcon for actually managing the repo06:21
bddebianshawarma: No, I haven't gotten back to it.  How did you get it to build?06:21
shawarmaSeveas: I see.06:21
slomobddebian: yes... acroread, transcode etc are stuff we want to sync :)06:21
shawarmabddebian: I fixed the LISP code as it went along.06:21
bddebianshawarma: Well I could do that but it wasn't building hash.o in obj/linux/interp ?06:21
shawarmabddebian: But to make it build automatically I need to figure out where the list-files are coming from. I can't even figure that out. There are tons of makefiles and they ALL get overwritten during the build, so adding debugging and stuff is hell.06:22
shawarmabddebian: No, I had to fix hash.lisp to make that build.06:22
bddebianshawarma: src/interp/hash.lisp.pamphlet generates the C code for example06:23
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shawarmabddebian: Not quite. It generated the lisp code, that generates the c-code.06:23
bddebianWel aye06:23
shawarmabddebian: AFAIR anyway.06:23
bddebian*Well06:23
shawarmabddebian: That's what all the other .pamphlet files do.06:24
bddebianshawarma: What did you change in hash.lisp to make the obj file build?06:25
shawarmaIf anyone want's to see some SERIOUSLY messed up packaging: go see axiom.06:25
bddebianshawarma: Hehe, no kidding06:25
shawarmabddebian: don't quite remember, but it was a minor thing. There are 3 more fixes along the way.06:25
bddebianWell I know the mem_value thing06:26
shawarmabddebian: Are you the stubborn kind who wants to finish this now that you've started, or can I just take it from here and we'll both be happy?06:26
shawarmabddebian: How did you fix that one?06:26
bddebianBut it still doesn't build hash.o06:26
shawarmabddebian: ah, you tried removing it from hash.h?06:26
Hobbseenight all..06:27
bddebianshawarma: No, I fixed it in src/interp/hash.blah.pamphlet06:27
shawarmabddebian: Ah.. I hadn't even gotten as far as finding that file.06:27
shawarmabddebian: that's why I had to do this stuff iteratively while it tried to build it.06:27
shawarmabddebian: Yes, VERY messed up.06:28
bddebianshawarma: I will post my fixes to my webserver for your review if you would like06:28
shawarmabddebian: Sure. The more the merrier. :-)06:29
shawarmabddebian: I'm asking about your stubbornness, because I'M the stubborn kind, so I'd like to fix this thing. :-)06:29
bddebianYes, that is why I have been fighting this stupid thing :-)06:29
shawarmabddebian: Does this thing build on Debian?06:30
shawarmabddebian: Apparantly, it does.06:30
bddebianshawarma: I can't believe that it would.  Especially build-depping on xfree86-common06:31
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shawarmabddebian: Yeah. What's up with that?06:31
shawarmabddebian: I have a hidden agenda, by the way. :-) I'm saving up to become a MOTU, so having a killer package like axiom on my packages list on Launchpad would be really good. :-)06:32
shawarmabddebian: So it's not pure stubbornness.06:33
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bddebianshawarma: Nothing wrong with that :-)06:34
shawarmabddebian: :-) I figure that if I get my act together, it should be feasible within this release cycle.06:36
bddebianAbsolutely06:36
bddebianStupid makefiles.. Grr06:36
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bddebianshawarma: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/axiom/06:44
shawarmabddebian: And that wasn't enough?06:46
bddebianshawarma: No, it doesn't build hash.o for some reason, even though I get no errors06:46
shawarmabddebian: Oh, right. I remember that one. :-)06:47
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shawarmashawarma: Instead of chaning the "int" to "unsigned int" i did it the other way around.06:48
bddebianthat should work too06:49
shawarmabddebian: No wait... That' was cfunc.06:49
shawarmabddebian: Well, I managed to do it yesterday.06:49
bddebianHmm06:50
shawarmabddebian: I SHOULD be able to do it again.06:50
bddebianHeh06:50
bddebianI e-mailed the Debian maintainer but haven't heard anything back :-(06:50
shawarmabddebian: What makes you thing hash.o doesn't get built?06:51
shawarmabddebian: It's not that I don't believe you, I just don't see it.06:52
bddebianshawarma: I will have to start a build again and get you the error06:52
shawarmabddebian: Er.. i thought you said you didn't get any errors?06:54
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Viper550Someone here liked my Kubuntu theme?06:55
shawarmaViper550: screenshot?06:55
bddebianshawarma: I don't get any errors on building hash.o but I get an error that it can't find it when it tries to load it06:56
Viper550https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas06:56
shawarmabddebian: Oh... I'll just let it finish.06:56
bddebianError: Cannot open the file /home/bdefreese/edgy/axiom-20050901/obj/linux/interp/hash.o.06:57
bddebianFast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging06:57
bddebianError signalled by LOAD.06:57
bddebianBroken at BUILD-INTERPSYS.  Type :H for Help.06:57
Viper550(on the bottom)06:57
shawarmabddebian: Ah, right. I got that one with cfunc at one point.06:58
shawarmabddebian: Well, I've just dput it to my build server. I'll go grab something to eat and see how it's going when I get back.07:00
shawarmacya!07:01
LaserJockViper550: what am I supposed to look at07:01
Viper550The last one on the bottom07:01
LaserJockViper550: I see a sreenshot.jpg07:01
Viper550Where?07:01
LaserJockin the tarball at the end of the page where it says "Viper550"07:02
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Viper550that's the GDM theme07:03
Viper550Do you even use KDE Laserjock?07:03
LaserJocksure07:04
LaserJockI use Gnome, KDE, Xfce, and screen07:04
bddebianshawarma: Later, thanks07:04
LaserJocksome more than others I guess07:04
Viper550For the best look, use the KDE color scheme with the Polyester Style and Window Decoration07:04
Viper550The KDE color scheme file...I meant07:05
bddebianslomo: WTF?  Everything I wget from debian-multimedia.org comes back as index.html?07:05
slomobddebian: get it with your browser... there's something broken :(07:05
bddebianI don't have my browswer in ssh :-)07:05
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LaserJockbddebian: lynx?07:06
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bddebianLaserJock: Ack :)07:07
LaserJockgrrr07:09
LaserJockI *want* to like evo, I really do.07:09
LaserJockevo seems to be the worst IMAP email client I've seen07:10
^ohoelanyone aware of mplayer bugs between edgy -3 and current -4 ?07:16
zulLaserJock: use mutt07:18
slomo^ohoel: no... which ones?07:18
^ohoelslomo: no idea really, I'm just experiencing some regressions, errors about mp3lib not available, and problems playing raw avi streams that work with -307:21
slomo^ohoel: mp3lib is not available... right... it was disabled from 3 to 4 because of great bugs in it that made it unusable on all machines with 3dnow07:21
LaserJockzul: I've tried. Really the only thing I don't like about mutt is that it's hard for me to see where all my new mail is. It doesn't seem very easy to go from folder to folder07:22
slomo^ohoel: but mad and ffmpeg can do the same and are used as replacement automatically07:22
slomo^ohoel: could you paste the output when trying to play broken stuff that worked before to a pastebin?07:22
^ohoelslomo: yeah, things seem to work regardless of the error popup. will give you the broken output, gimme a sec ;)07:22
slomo^ohoel: ok then ignore the mp3lib stuff :)07:23
ArbiterGloubiboulga, ping07:25
^ohoelslomo: pastebin.com doesnt want to be my friend... got an alternative?07:26
slomo^ohoel: pastebin.ca07:26
^ohoelslomo: http://pastebin.ca/10254307:28
^ohoelworks like a charm once I downgrade to -307:29
slomook, so it's most probably a ffmpeg regression *sigh*07:29
slomoplease file a bug and assign it to me :)07:29
^ohoelwilldo ;] 07:29
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ryanakcahow do you enable universe for pbuilder? I would look on the wiki, but it's so slow that I get "connection timed out"...07:32
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^ohoelis it okay to paste terminal output directly into a malone bug description?07:34
zulits  better as an attachment07:35
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Arbiteri have a question07:39
Arbiterif a package was uploaded to REVU07:39
^ohoelI wish it were more obvious how to post an attachment :] 07:39
Arbiterand is not updated/reviewed since (for example) December or January07:40
Arbitercan I adopt the package and upload && maintain my version?07:40
Arbiter(in order to get it into universe)07:40
siretartArbiter: sure07:40
Arbiterwell07:41
siretartArbiter: probably you should contact the original contributor, though07:41
Arbiterthere are a lot of unmaintained packages around in REVU07:42
Arbitergtkwifi     xhaker@gmail.com    December 02 21:20    3 (0) (for example)07:42
Arbitersiretart, but.. is a REVU cleanup ever planned?07:43
zuli believe so07:43
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siretartyes, among other things07:44
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Arbitersiretart, uhm... and when revu2 will be released? :)07:46
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^ohoelslomo: done, bug 54269 - hope I've done everything right ;] 07:47
UbugtuMalone bug 54269 in mplayer "[edgy]  Regression between mplayer 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu3 and mplayer 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu4" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5426907:47
slomo^ohoel: no that's fine :) i hope i find some time for it soon...07:48
^ohoelslomo: I'm sure you have more urgent tasks than this ;)07:49
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siretartArbiter: when its done [tm] 07:51
Arbitersiretart, hehe :)07:51
nexuanyone knows whats going on with ubuntu wiki site?07:53
nexuits terribly slow here07:53
ryanakcasame here07:55
ryanakcaso is wiki.kubuntu.org...07:55
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nexuits like the 2nd time this week its being this slow ..07:56
nexu..or actually the first time it was gone completely07:56
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LaserJockeverything is slow here :(08:02
LaserJockmy nice uni line has gone to dial-up speeds08:02
ryanakcaheh...08:06
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LaserJockwell, my problem seems to be with the uni since Yahoo! even takes a while to load :(08:08
zulim gine08:08
zulfine even08:08
LaserJockdarn, and I was going to install kubuntu-desktop :-)08:08
LaserJockmust be some higher power is preventing me from going to the darks side ;-)08:08
zulyep its called jebus08:10
crimsunyou need to use an I2 mirror, LJ|08:10
tsengAlvis08:10
ryanakcaeverything here is fine, except the wiki08:12
ryanakcaLaserJock: "Come to the dark side, we have cookies" - <personwhoinventedthisoverlyquotedquote>08:13
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GloubiboulgaArbiter, pong08:14
ArbiterGloubiboulga, i have to go now :)08:18
GloubiboulgaArbiter, ok, sorry for the delay...08:18
ArbiterGloubiboulga, but the question is always the same "can you review my packages?" :D08:18
GloubiboulgaArbiter, sure, I'll have a look... NOW :)08:18
Arbiterheheheh08:18
Arbitersee you tomorrow Gloubiboulga08:18
Arbiterand thanks :)08:19
Gloubiboulgasee you Arbiter08:19
ryanakcahow do you make an edgy pbuilder? errors I got at my attempt: http://pastebin.ca/10258808:19
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Gloubiboulgaryanakca, if you run dapper you have to create a dapper chroot first, then upgrade it to edgy08:21
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bddebianre09:47
bddebianslomo: Around by any chance?09:47
slomoyes09:47
slomobddebian?09:49
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bddebianslomo: Do any of the deb-src links for debian-multimedia work?09:50
slomono idea09:51
slomoi simply get it from my browser :)09:51
LaserJockdo you guys use debget at all?09:53
bddebianNot I09:54
bddebianslomo: You're killing me man.. :-)09:54
slomobddebian: :P09:55
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LaserJock whatever09:56
LaserJockslomo: the trick is you need to give him treats every once in a while ;-)09:57
bddebianhehe09:58
bddebianAck, acroread is 44Mb, it's as bad as those damn science packages09:58
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LaserJockexcept perhaps more useful10:01
bddebianheh10:01
bddebianslomo: Will ubuntu-archive sync those, or do you fakesync them?10:01
slomobddebian: until now i had to make changes to all packages... but i assume that they can fakesync if you give them the url in the bugreport10:02
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bddebianHmm, well acroread 7.0.8 seems to build clean in Edgy10:11
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slomobddebian: then ask for a sync :)10:12
bddebianI'm scared :-)10:13
slomowhy? :)10:13
bddebianBecause I ph3ar Kamion/Keybuck :-)10:13
tsengjeez10:13
tsengthey are easy10:13
slomobddebian: why?10:14
tsengmdz is the intimidating one10:14
tsengdoesnt bother me much anymore10:14
bddebianWell I'm usually getting grief for doing something wrong and these aren't straight from Debian :-)10:14
slomobddebian: just put the repository url there... and which version of what you want10:15
bddebianslomo: Aye, I'm just making sure it install10:21
bddebian=s10:21
bddebiangah10:22
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bddebianInstall fine too10:34
bddebian*Installs.. Sheesh10:35
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bddebianslomo: submitted10:39
slomobddebian: nice :)10:40
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bddebianIs i386 still plugged up with OOo?10:40
slomobddebian: partly10:46
slomohttps://launchpad.net/+builds10:47
bddebianWell hamlib is going to fail10:52
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crimsunbddebian: why?11:06
bddebiancrimsun: python2.311:09
bddebian -7 is in Debian now that is python policy compliant11:09
crimsunit runs fine under python2.4 according to Fedora Core11:09
bddebian -6 specifically builds python2.311:10
bddebian*builds with11:10
crimsunright11:10
bddebiancrimsun: Am I missing something?11:12
crimsunbddebian: I don't know, are you?11:12
bddebiancrimsun: I mean, what spawned that?11:12
crimsun'fail' is highlighted for this channel.11:13
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bddebiancrimsun: Oh, sorry11:14
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Windkracht8Hello could someone please explain, or point to an explanation how the packages in the Ubuntu repository's are numbered?11:18
bddebianLater gang11:19
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sistpotyhi folks11:21
crimsunWindkracht8: see the first note in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id255089711:23
crimsunWindkracht8: it's also available in System> Help> System Documentation> Packaging Guide  (in the same section, same note, etc.) if you're using Ubuntu Dapper.11:23
Windkracht8Thanks crimsun, I'm having a look at it now11:24
Windkracht8So that are Debian and Ubuntu numbers there, now it's clear thanks11:27
crimsunnp11:27
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Lt-Elmohi does anyone have a idea when the new firefox and thunderbird will hit the repos11:29
crimsunwhen the security team applies the fixes.11:33
Lt-Elmoahh i see11:33
Lt-Elmowas not sure how that work in linux11:33
Lt-Elmothank you11:33
LaserJockhmm, there is a new firefox and thunderbird out?11:33
Lt-Elmoyes relesed today11:34
LaserJockwhy am I always missing these things11:34
Lt-Elmo1.5 05 i think11:34
LaserJockbut it's still 1.5?11:34
Lt-Elmoyes11:34
Lt-Elmosecurity and bugfixes11:34
LaserJockk11:34
Lt-Elmoseamonkey went 1.02 to 1.0311:35
sistpotyubotu: please tell me the pbuilder howto link11:36
ubotuI know nothing about please tell me the pbuilder howto link - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu11:36
LaserJock!pbuilder11:36
ubotupbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto11:36
sistpotythanks ubotu ;)11:36
LaserJockyou're welcome ;-)11:37
sistpotyhey LaserJock btw ;)11:37
sistpotyis the wiki that slow for you as well?11:37
LaserJockyes11:37
crimsunplease use http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:2qoe1Zc4EZIJ:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto+wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto+cache&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&strip=111:37
crimsunbasically, "URL cache" -> cached text only11:38
ryanakcaLaserJock: the maintainer of typespeed in debian seems to have vanished off this face of the earth... so I'm asking in #debian-devel11:38
sistpotycrimsun: nice, thanks... I actually just needed the url11:38
LaserJockryanakca: ok11:38
crimsunright, the URL probably appears sluggish, hence google cache :)11:39
sistpotyhehe11:39
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sistpotyryanakca: the typespeed maintainer doesn't seem to be mia afaict... his last upload was two weeks ago11:47
ryanakcamia?11:48
tsengmissing in action11:48
ryanakcaI had talked to him a month and a half ago about it... he looked at the source... but still hasn't upgraded to new upstream... new upstream has been around for a while now...11:49
ryanakcaah11:49
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ryanakcameh, I'll try /msging daf again :)11:52
LaserJockwell, not upgrading to the latest version doesn't exactly mean mia11:53
LaserJockit could be he has good reason to not do it yet11:53
ryanakca???11:54
LaserJock!info typspeed11:56
ubotuPackage typspeed does not exist in dapper11:56
LaserJock!info typespeed11:56
ubotutypespeed: Zap words flying across the screen by typing them correctly. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.4.4-8 (dapper), package size 41 kB, installed size 184 kB11:56
slomo!info hello11:56
ubotuhello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB11:56
slomohuh why is it in main? =)11:56
LaserJockryanakca: ok so the current version in Dapper is 0.4.4 and what do you want?11:57
ryanakca0.5.111:57
LaserJockok, so on the website I find this: "My first release will be 0.5.0. In 0.5.x I want to rewrite big chunks of code, in a developer's view, 0.5.x will be rather unstable because code moves a lot..."11:58
LaserJockperhaps that has made the Debian maintainer a bit hesitant to just hop in there and upload it11:59
ryanakcaTypespeed v0.5.1 has been released, most important change is a fix of an off-by-one in file.c. I am not sure if this could be exploited, but it's a bug and it should be fixed as soon as possible. Beside of that wordfiles and highscorefiles can be in different places and typespeed should compile on systems with glibc 2.4 now...11:59
ryanakcameh... I'll try to find that virtue called patience :)11:59
crimsunwhat LJ quoted is a perfectly legitimate reason /not/ to update11:59
LaserJockryanakca: dude, I'm not saying it's not worth it, you just might need to see it from the other side too11:59
crimsunor rather, to not update11:59
ryanakcaLaserJock: I see your point of view :) Hadn't seen that :)12:00
ryanakcayou have a point :)12:00
LaserJockso while it is wonderful to have the latest crack sometimes, I can't be mad if the Debian maitainer is hesitant12:01
LaserJockalthough it would be nice to get *some* feedback12:01
ryanakcaI agree on the later part :)12:01
ryanakcabbl... supper12:02
crimsunhmm, notes would be good.12:02
sistpotyryanakca: the bug seems to have been fixed in 0.4.4-10 on the debian side12:06
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