[12:09] <shawarma> crimsun: Have you looked at axiom at all?
[12:09] <crimsun> no
[12:10] <shawarma> crimsun: mkay.
[12:10] <ryanakca> crimsun: you stutturing at me? or at someone else ???
[12:11] <ryanakca> hmmm... most of the ones on "candidates" look difficult...
[12:11] <shawarma> whiskey... tango.. foxtrot...
[12:12] <shawarma> I'm building axiom.. I'm looking at the build log and nothing is happening. I get curious and check ps.. There's a "sleep 1800" running. Owner: 1234 (the pbuilder uid)..
[12:13] <ogra> sounds like it takes a deep breath before it explodes :P
[12:14] <shawarma> ogra: Yeah. good thing the server's at the other end of the country, so I'm not around when she blows. :-)
[12:15] <shawarma> ah... it appears that debian/rules binary target echoes a tick every 1800 seconds to show that it's still running.
[12:15] <crimsun> ryanakca: I'm musing over your "easy to package packages that need packaging".
[12:15] <ryanakca> lol
[12:15] <shawarma> I get the feeling this is going to be a slooooooooow build.
[12:15] <ryanakca> thought so :)
[12:15] <ryanakca> most of the one's I've attempted so far are error galore
[01:01] <ryanakca> hmmm... the source directory has ./configure, Makefile.am & Makefile.in, but no "Makefile"... what do I do?? (If you feel like forwarding me to a HOWTO, that's fine :) )
[01:04] <TheMuso> ryanakca: Thats how it should be. Many packages come like that.
[01:04] <TheMuso> the configure script creates the Makefile.
[01:04] <ryanakca> ./configure didn't create one :)
[01:05] <TheMuso> Well it may have failed. Did you see any error messages?
[01:05] <ryanakca> nevermind :)
[01:05] <ryanakca> ignorance on my part :)
[01:09] <kmilo> ryanakca, welcome to autotools http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotools
[01:11] <ryanakca> :)
[01:12] <kmilo> there are strange and complicated but very popular
[01:12] <zul> wohoo...amd64 is building now
[01:14] <ryanakca> hmmm... this app is wonderfull... it has a dependency that isn't in the repositories.... how would I test it with pbuilder if the dependency isn't in Universe/repos?
[01:14] <zul> you would have to create a package for the dependency
[01:15] <ryanakca> that's what I'm doing :)
[01:15] <ryanakca> but pbuilder gets all dependencies from Universe/Multiverse... so once I've packaged dependency, how will I pbuild the app?
[01:15] <ryanakca> or do I have it all wrong?
[01:23] <LaserJock> there are a couple things you can do I think
[01:24] <LaserJock> what I've done in the past was set up a mini repo that I put the first package in and gave that in the OTHERMIRROR line with Universe and Multiverse
[01:25] <LaserJock> but I think you can actually install the first package into your pbuilder or use a bindmount or something
[01:25] <ryanakca> bindmount? install the first package into my pbuilder? I'm lost :)
[01:26] <ryanakca> I think setting up a mini repo is probably easier... Se veas has some kind of app for doing that I think.. right?
[01:26] <ryanakca> he uses it for his repos...
[01:27] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I used mini-dinstall I think
[01:28] <LaserJock> the other ways I've seen are easier but you have to know what to do and my brain seems unable to remember what it was
[01:31] <shawarma> ryanakca: has he released it now?
[01:32] <shawarma> ryanakca: Anyhow, I use reprepro. It works really well.
[01:36] <ryanakca> shawarma: dunno
[01:38] <shawarma> ryanakca: I talked to him about it about six months ago, I think. He was just about to release it, but I needed something right away.
[01:39] <ryanakca> shawarma: I don't see any link to it on his page
[01:40] <ryanakca> reprepro it is :)
[01:41] <shawarma> ryanakca: Feel free to steal my configuration file: http://www.linux2go.dk/ubuntu/conf/distributions
[01:42] <shawarma> Gah... I need to get some sleep. It's almost 2am here.
[01:42] <shawarma> G'night, guys!
[02:08] <jabra> if I have a package I would like to submit for review is dapper still ok or do I need to dist-upgrade to a newer version?
[02:18] <crimsun> jabra: edgy. Nothing new goes into dapper, which is a frozen, released distro.
[02:18] <ajmitch> hi
[02:18] <crimsun> hi ajmitch
[02:20] <jabra> k
[02:20] <jabra> I will switch to edgy then
[02:20] <jabra> thanks
[02:20] <crimsun> jabra: you don't have to switch to edgy, but be aware that packages will have to be targetted for edgy.
[02:21] <jabra> well i'm buildin a vm
[02:22] <jabra> wait this might actually solve my problem
[02:23] <jabra> if I get this package accepted into debian how long would it take to get into edgy
[02:24] <crimsun> it can just be synced in
[02:24] <crimsun> until late Sept., that is
[02:25] <jabra> so I guess I should just focus on that
[02:25] <jabra> anychance you could review a debian package?
[02:59] <crimsun> jabra: more context/URL?
[03:00] <ryanakca> shawarma: back, ty
[03:10] <LaserJock> \o/
[03:19] <kmilo> bye
[03:19] <LaserJock> bddebian!
[03:19] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[03:20] <ajmitch> LaserJock: can you make some changes to the packaging guide about REVU?
[03:20] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:20] <bddebian> LaserJock!!!!!!!!
[03:20] <LaserJock> ajmitch: perhaps, what's on your mind?
[03:20] <ajmitch> since at the moment it's telling people to send their key in - it needs updated to mention joining the launchpad group
[03:20] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm in xchat, in Ubuntu, on my intel mac!
[03:20] <bddebian> Sweet
[03:21] <ajmitch> we're getting a number of people still sending their keys to us
[03:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok
[03:21] <ajmitch> updated details should be on the REVU wiki page
[03:22] <LaserJock> !revu
[03:22] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[03:23] <jabra> crimsun: trying to upload it to the mentors site but it is saying the gpg key is failing
[03:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, added it to my TODO
[03:26] <ajmitch> thanks
[03:26] <LaserJock> bbl
[03:27] <jabra> crimsun: it said my public key was not found
[03:27] <jabra> though when I logged in it has it right
[03:28] <jabra> and i'm using the same key to sign the packages
[03:28] <ryanakca> dunno if this is the right channel to ask this, but oh well :)
[03:28] <ryanakca> "sudo reprepro -Vb /etc/reprepro includedeb edgy /var/cache/pbuilder/result/typespeed_0.5.1-1_i386.deb" gives me this error: "gpgme gave error: No Passphrase". What's wrong?
[03:28] <crimsun> jabra: are you referring to REVU or mentors.debian?
[03:29] <jabra> mentors
[03:31] <crimsun> jabra: I'm not familiar w/ mentors.debian, sorry.
[03:31] <crimsun> a few others here are
[03:32] <jabra> anyone know what i'm doing wrong
[03:33] <jabra> the error that was in the mail was gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[03:34] <jabra> wait I think I know why
[03:40] <jabra> nopes
[03:44] <bddebian> shawarma: ping?
[04:02] <ajmitch> oh goody, Xgl at least starts now
[04:18] <Lathiat> i upgraded to edgy and this new fandangled UUID stuff renders my system unbootable :)
[04:18] <jabra> crimsun: got it uploaded
[04:18] <Lathiat> i did manage to boot by going back to my way oldest dapper kernel adn changign to root=/dev/md2
[04:19] <Lathiat> but root=/dev/md2 on a new kernel just sits there forver 'waiting for rootdevice'
[04:19] <Lathiat> ;p
[04:19] <jabra> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/p/pbnj
[04:19] <jabra> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/libnmap-parser-perl/
[04:21] <ajmitch> Lathiat: lucky you
[04:21] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I haven't tried rebooting with the new kernel yet
[04:30] <bddebian> OK, where the hell is acidrip in Debian?
[04:31] <tseng> if you are going to continue posting your random thoughts on irc, do you really have to swear at us?
[04:32] <tseng> it doesnt appear to be in debian
[04:32] <tseng> its in marillat
[04:32] <bddebian> Swear AT you?
[04:32] <tseng> which probably means its too scary to distribute.
[04:33] <tseng> oh
[04:33] <tseng> I thought you were bluefoxicy
[04:33] <tseng> very sleepy.
[04:33] <bddebian> :-)
[04:33] <bluefoxicy> what
[04:33] <bddebian> wb LaserJock
[04:33] <tseng> he usually runs through with random comments like that swearing up a storm
[04:33] <bluefoxicy> tseng what the hell are you talking about
[04:33] <tseng> haha.
[04:33] <bddebian> Hmm, it seems a few of the packages on slomo's list are from Marillat, etc
[04:34] <ajmitch> tseng: no, bddebian usually says 'WTF??'
[04:34] <bddebian> Yep
[04:34] <tseng> haha.
[04:34] <bddebian> I honestly get no freakin' love around here..
[04:35] <ajmitch> you'll survive
[04:35] <whiprush> I love you dude.
[04:39] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm, have you looked at the build logs for the packages up synced/merged?
[04:40] <LaserJock> bddebian: in particular regina-normal isn't building on much
[04:41] <bddebian> LaserJock: No not yet
[04:42] <bddebian> I hate not having other archs to build on
[04:42] <LaserJock> it looks like i386 is really backed up
[04:43] <bddebian> Aye :-(
[04:43] <ajmitch> OOo
[04:44] <ajmitch> when 3+ uploads are made in a short time, nothing else has a chance
[04:45] <LaserJock> but wouldn't that hit all the arch's the same or is OOo only built i386?
[04:46] <ajmitch> ppc & sparc are both building OOo at the moment
[04:46] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/+builds
[04:46] <ajmitch> oh, and amd64, except amd64 has 1 idle buildd
[04:46] <bddebian> Does marillat have a web site?
[04:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: talk to slomo before touching them
[04:47] <bddebian> He's the one that asked me to look at them
[04:47] <LaserJock> ah, so so you became somebody else's slave?
[04:48] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:49] <bddebian> Well you told me to stop requesting syncs :-)
[04:52] <Laser_away> fine, be that way ;-)
[04:54] <bddebian> Ack, oleo
[04:59] <ajmitch> ah, my fonts are so very messed up
[04:59] <bddebian> fonts suck
[04:59] <ajmitch> such a helpful remark
[04:59] <bddebian> :-)
[05:00] <bddebian> That's me, Mr. Helpful
[05:21] <LaserJOck> bddebian: lol
[05:21] <LaserJOck> what a comment in -devel :-)
[05:21] <ajmitch> odd people
[05:21] <bddebian> LaserJOck: :-)
[05:21] <bddebian> I love you too ajmitch
[05:21] <ajmitch> I really hope mvo speeds up apt again
[05:22] <ajmitch> pbuilder checking lots of build-depends takes about as long as the compile itself
[05:22] <bddebian> Aye
[05:22] <ajmitch> especially with this many split X packages
[05:24] <ajmitch> all that waiting for pbuilder, and I forgot to update the patch
[05:27] <bddebian> heh
[05:27] <ajmitch> I should really move it to bzr
[05:27] <ajmitch> or git
[05:28] <ajmitch> git may be a better choice, since it's a snapshot of a git tree
[05:29] <crimsun> edgy's git knocks the pants off dapper's (unsurprisingly)
[05:30] <ajmitch> I've never got to learn it properly
[05:35] <LaserJOck> is git pretty user friendly?
[05:36] <LaserJOck> for somebody who has used svn and bzr before?
[05:36] <ajmitch> I never found it that friendly
[05:37] <LaserJOck> hmm, that's not a good sign
[05:37] <ajmitch> crimsun has used it a lot more :)
[05:38] <crimsun> git-core is the 'plumbing'; I recommend trying a gui frontend ('porcelain')
[05:39] <ajmitch> like cogito?
[05:39] <crimsun> yep
[05:39] <ajmitch> it'd probably make my life easier
[05:39] <crimsun> LaserJOck: git's really good at certain things and not very good at others; I've only used it for kernel stuff
[05:39] <bddebian> A GUI?  Sacrilege :)
[05:44] <LaserJOck> bddebian: sometimes it's the only thing we've got ;-)
[05:45] <bddebian> I like GUIs for a lot of things, I am just being my normal irritating smart-alec
[05:46] <LaserJOck> today I tried out a nice GUI OS X app for scp and sftp out
[05:46] <LaserJOck> very nice
[05:46] <LaserJOck> called fugu
[05:47] <ajmitch> nice, X fails to start on the laptop. things are looking up
[05:48] <bddebian> heh
[05:49] <ajmitch> I suspect it's the module ABI problem, since it can't load the i810 driver
[05:50] <crimsun> there's a deb in tiber:~ built against the newest ABI if you want to use it
[05:51] <crimsun> though it's for i386
[05:51] <ajmitch> crimsun: too late, it's already building here
[05:51] <crimsun> :)
[05:52] <crimsun> AIGLX seems to be much more 'responsive' than XGL thus far (using xfwm4's compositor)
[05:52] <ajmitch> crimsun: you have AIGLX enabled?
[05:52] <crimsun> yeah, it's enabled by default in the new xserver-xorg-core
[05:52] <ajmitch> I didn't think that rodarvus was enabling that in his initial upload
[05:52] <ajmitch> interesting, will try that
[05:53] <crimsun> the only change I made to xorg.conf was to load the composite extension
[05:54] <ajmitch> amazing how much slower the laptop's disk is
[05:55] <ajmitch> recompile of driver worked though
[05:55] <ajmitch> ah, I already had composite enabled
[05:56] <ajmitch> crimsun: does AIGLX show up in xdpyinfo?
[05:56] <crimsun> not that I can tell
[05:56] <ajmitch> hm, interesting
[05:56] <ajmitch> bug 54205 only shows on my amd64
[05:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54205 in gtk-engines "font rendering broken in edgy" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54205
[05:57] <ajmitch> (could be freetype)
[05:57] <crimsun> hmm, quite possibly
[05:57] <crimsun> the first line from ``grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log'' shows AIGLX enabled here
[05:57] <ajmitch> happens in konsole as well, so I doubt it's gtk2-engines
[05:57] <Amaranth> now i just need a driver that supports GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap (damn nvidia)
[05:58] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes, enabled here too. good
[05:59] <ajmitch> current spiftacity package breaks impressively
[06:00] <ajmitch> I'm guessing xubuntu-desktop seed needs updated for gtk2-engines?
[06:02] <crimsun> ah, it's libthunar-vfs-1
[06:06] <ajmitch> odd, the font rendering bug goes away when I use Xgl
[06:17] <ajmitch> crimsun: xfce looks really nice, it's improved a lot since I last tried it :)
[06:18] <ajmitch> compositing is quite fast, too
[06:18] <crimsun> :)  Mostly Jani's and Gauvain's poking, along with nomed's.
[06:18] <crimsun> yeah, I'm very impressed.
[06:19] <ajmitch> do you know how to get xfce4-terminal to respect alt+left/right?
[06:19] <ajmitch> for irssi+screen, that is
[06:20] <crimsun> no, may be a compat issue
[06:20] <ajmitch> most terminals don't let me do it
[06:21] <crimsun> since alt+# changes xfce4-terminal tabs instead of irssi buffers
[06:21] <ajmitch> alt+number works
[06:28] <whiprush> ajmitch: stupid question.
[06:28] <ajmitch> yessir?
[06:29] <whiprush> but doesn't aiglx come with xorg 7.1 built in?
[06:29] <ajmitch> other way round
[06:29] <whiprush> yeah
[06:29] <whiprush> wow, that was a horrible sentence
[06:29] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:29] <ajmitch> however it's a build-time option
[06:29] <whiprush> ah, I see
[06:29] <ajmitch> and I thought rodarvus may not have enabled it yet
[06:29] <whiprush> now that makes sense
[06:30] <ajmitch> given his answer yesterday of:
[06:30] <ajmitch> 13:56 < rodarvus> mjg59, not right now (it wasn't specced), but I plan to, if time allows
[06:31] <ajmitch> 13:56 < rodarvus> not sure if its going to happen for Edgy, though
[06:31] <whiprush> cool
[06:31] <imbrandon> moins all
[06:31] <ajmitch> but yeah, all you need to do is enable the composite extension, if it wasn't already
[06:31] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[06:31] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[06:31] <whiprush> hi imbrandon
[06:31] <imbrandon> hiya whiprush
[06:32] <imbrandon> looks like good news on the ML ;)
[06:32] <whiprush> signs point to a sweet Fridge in the future!
[06:32] <ajmitch> more shady dealings?
[06:32] <whiprush> nah, opening it up to the community
[06:32] <whiprush> lots of volunteers.
[06:33] <whiprush> really good stuff happening
[06:33] <imbrandon> yea , tis lookin good
[06:34] <imbrandon> hrm ....
[06:35] <LaserJOck> hi imbrandon
[06:35] <imbrandon> hey hey LaserJOck
[06:35] <imbrandon> heh i was wondering about the O
[06:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:37] <LaserJock> typo
[06:37] <imbrandon> sure <eg>
[06:38] <imbrandon> i found 3 more laptops for good prices on craigslist today, might go pick them up and load dapper on them and resell them ;)
[06:41] <ajmitch> hi viviersf
[06:42] <viviersf> lo ajmitch
[06:42] <viviersf> i cant believe im at work this early :/
[06:42] <imbrandon> heh
[06:42] <ajmitch> heh, how early is it?
[06:42] <viviersf> 6:30 am
[06:42] <imbrandon> ahh thats not tooooo bad
[06:43] <imbrandon> 5:30 sucks
[06:43] <ajmitch> 6:30 still hurts
[06:43] <viviersf> im not used to it tho
[06:43] <ajmitch> that's more like time to go to bed
[06:43] <imbrandon> hahah how true
[06:43] <imbrandon> its about midnight here and i'm just really getting going for the night
[06:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:45] <imbrandon> any irssi users here ? is there a way to have sound notification when your name is hilighted ?
[06:45] <ajmitch> I doubt it
[06:46] <imbrandon> becouse colloquy isnt cutting it
[06:46] <ajmitch> maybe you could hack some script together for it
[06:46] <imbrandon> yea true , trigger mpg123 to play a short mp3 or something
[06:47] <LaserJock> I wonder if macirssi would do it
[06:47] <imbrandon> osx really lacks alot, what it does do it does good but alot of simple things i miss , probbaly time to just go 100% linux
[06:48] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea thats what i'm using colloquy atm but need something better , was thinking irssi from fink
[06:49] <imbrandon> colloquy was supose to be based on irssi in some strange way but i dont think thats the case anymore
[06:50] <imbrandon> really honestly the only reason i keep osx on here is becouse of quicktime player
[06:50] <imbrandon> guess i could try to get all that working on ppc in linux ;)
[06:50] <crimsun> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg04246.html
[06:50] <imbrandon> you rock crimsun
[06:50] <crimsun> google rocks.
[06:51] <ajmitch> scary
[06:51] <imbrandon> heh
[06:51] <ajmitch> I could never handle that turned on in irssi
[06:51] <ajmitch> not when my computer is in my room
[06:52] <imbrandon> well you could turn beeps when away off
[06:52] <imbrandon> probably be good
[07:51] !lilo:*! early morning service is occurring on one of our temporary main rotation servers; about 1,419 users affected
[09:53] <dholbach> good morning
[10:13] <Toadstool> 'morning everybody
[10:41] <shawarma> ryanakca: did you figure out the reprepro error?
[11:04] <Arbiter> good day
[11:40] <ajmitch> great, box is moderately unbootable now
[11:41] <ajmitch> out with the stack of live cds
[11:44] <viviersf> lol ajmitch
[11:44] <viviersf> same old same old
[11:47] <ajmitch> fun time to upgrade to edgy
[11:47] <viviersf> :/
[11:48] <viviersf> i think ill stick with dapper ;P
[11:48] <shawarma> Which $TZ is bddebian in? (aka: when does he usualy show up here?)
[11:48] <ajmitch> initramfs isn't loading my LVM volumes on RAID
[11:48] <ajmitch> shawarma: he's in the US
[11:49] <ajmitch> shows up at random times
[11:49] <shawarma> ajmitch: Heh. It would appear he logged off no more than 5 hours ago, so it'll probably be a few hours still.
[11:52] <ajmitch> ah, bug 72740
[11:52] <ajmitch> bug 52740, that is
[11:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52740 in initramfs-tools "[EDGY]  Regression: can't boot from lvm root on raid anymore" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52740
[11:58] <snowblink> hi - is anyone working on Apache 2.2?
[12:05] <Mithrandir> snowblink: yes.
[12:06] <snowblink> Mithrandir, thanks. Is there a deb yet?
[12:07] <Mithrandir> snowblink: yes and no.  It's not suitable for general consumption without a fair amount of testing of modules, but the apache debs themselves are almost there.
[12:08] <snowblink> Mithrandir, okay thanks. Will continue on with Apache 2.0 + Pound for the time being then. :)
[02:40] <zul> hey
[02:40] <shawarma> hey, zul
[02:51] <lloydinho> hey shawarma, did you get my message?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hi all!
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hi bjp :)
[02:56] <Arbiter> heya Hobbsee :D
[02:56] <ajmitch> good evening Hobbsee
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hi Arbiter, ajmitch
[02:57] <Hobbsee> a friend at a gaming forum has posted about how involved i am with ubuntu.  interseting.
[02:57] <Arbiter> ??
[02:57] <zul> oooh...link?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,5071.0.html
[02:59] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, btw, can you review kdocker?
[02:59] <Arbiter> :)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hey now, i just got home!
[02:59] <Hobbsee> i've got no idea what's happening around here.
[02:59] <Arbiter> :D
[03:01] <bjp> Nice hobbsee :)
[03:02] <zul> well...not much *is* happening
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ah.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> just that forum thread
[03:06] <shawarma> lloydinho: Sure did. Right now it doesn't look like I'm going..
[03:06] <lloydinho> aw, shame!
[03:06] <shawarma> lloydinho: Going to Italy for 10 days (7th - 17th), so another week on the go doesn't seem all that likely.
[03:07] <lloydinho> shawarma: yes, that does seem a bit on the steep side.
[03:07] <lloydinho> Would be fun, tho...
[03:12] <shawarma> lloydinho: definitely!
[03:13] <lloydinho> I'll guess if you're unavailable, I'll have to extend the offer to the MOTU mailing-list and see if anybody would interested...
[03:14] <lloydinho> shawarma: BTW I still owe you the money, so send me some details so I can transfer them to you..
[03:17] <shawarma> lloydinho: Will do.
[03:19] <lloydinho> shawarma: cool.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> hi shawarma
[03:23] <shawarma> hi Hobbsee !
[03:29] <shawarma> Oh, it's late. gotta run!
[03:59] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Laser_away: ping, at some point
[04:00] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:01] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:01] <bddebian> Hobbsee:
[04:01] <bddebian> hamlib (1.2.5-7) unstable; urgency=low
[04:01] <bddebian>  .
[04:01] <bddebian>    * Update to new python policy
[04:01] <bddebian>    * Update standards version 3.7.2
[04:01] <bddebian>    * This work by Barry deFreese of Ubuntu, thanks! Closes: #379191.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yep, just saw in -devel :D
[04:01] <ajmitch> yay, spammed in 2 channels! :)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hush you.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> good ajmitch.  dont rain on the parade.
[04:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah, sorry, I didn't think about Hobbsee being in both
[04:05] <ryanakca> shawarma: nope... I made my own repo from scratch :)
[04:06] <ryanakca> shawarma: join #debian and go "/msg dpkg own repo"  :)
[04:11] <bddebian> Crap, hamblib -7 isn't on the ftp yet :-(
[04:12] <ajmitch> bddebian: it can take up to a day
[04:12] <ajmitch> I see it on incoming.debian.org
[04:12] <bddebian> Ah, thx
[04:13] <ajmitch> hm, not the .deb though
[04:13] <ajmitch> what are the binary names?
[04:13] <bddebian> I don't want the .deb, just the .dsc, etc
[04:13] <ajmitch> never mind, they're there also
[04:13] <bddebian>  libhamlib4-dev or some such
[04:17] <ryanakca> automake generates beautifull makefiles </sarcasm>
[04:18] <bddebian> hehe
[04:27] <ryanakca> in a makefile, when editing for packaging,   sbindir = $(DESTDIR)/sbin     ?
[04:32] <Gloubiboulga> I'd say '$(DESTDIR)/$(PREFIX)/sbin'
[04:33] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga!  I got prismstumbler 0.7.3 to build but still have a couple issues
[04:34] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, coool :)
[04:34] <ajmitch> Gloubiboulga: currently trying out xfce, looking very nice
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> ajmitch, I bet you'll switch to xubuntu very soon ;)
[04:35] <ajmitch> Gloubiboulga: still many things in GNOME that I like :)
[04:40] <Gloubiboulga> ajmitch, I've not tried Xgl, does it work fine?
[04:41] <Gloubiboulga> (with xfwm)
[04:41] <ajmitch> Gloubiboulga: seems to, things seem a bit slow here on this nvidia card
[04:41] <ajmitch> I'm using packages built form the latest git checkout
[04:44] <ryanakca> so... sbindir = ${prefix}/sbin    and        prefix = $(DESTDIR)/usr
[04:45] <Gloubiboulga> ryanakca, I guess
[04:53] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[04:53] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[04:56] <bddebian> Heya tuxmaniac
[04:56] <ryanakca> is the wiki down? I keep getting "timeout on server"...
[04:56] <tuxmaniac> bddebian> heya man
[05:46] <bddebian> slomo: ping?
[05:46] <slomo> pong
[05:46] <bddebian> slomo: On your list of merges that you showed me, many of them appear to be from Marillat or so.  Where should I get the source from?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Laser_away: we need to add http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu-policy/ch2#s2.1 to the packaging guide, somewhere.  it's incredibly useful, and i've only just found it.
[05:47] <slomo> bddebian: the list _is_ a comparson between marillat (now known as debian multimedia) and ubuntu ;)
[05:47] <slomo> bddebian: sources are at debian-multimedia.org/pool/main
[05:47] <bddebian> Ack.
[05:48] <slomo> no need to feel stupid :)
[05:49] <bddebian> slomo: Anything in the Outdated in Edgy list you don't want me to touch?
[06:09] <slomo> bddebian: unace, faac, faad, autopano-sift
[06:09] <shawarma> bddebian: Did you figure axiom out?
[06:10] <hub> what is wrong with autopano-sift?
[06:10] <slomo> bddebian: and acroread, transcode, mjpegtools, avidemux would be the most important ones for now :)
[06:10] <shawarma> ryanakca: If you go back to reprepro, the trick is to use either gpg-agent or pass the --ask-passphrase option to reprepro
[06:11] <ryanakca> ah
[06:11] <ryanakca> shawarma: I switched to Falcon :)
[06:12] <shawarma> ryanakca: I see. Never heard of it.
[06:12] <ryanakca> shawarma: .Seveas wrote it.... http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/dapper-seveas/all/
[06:12] <shawarma> bddebian: I managed to get it to compile and create packages just fine by tweaking it while it's building, but to get it to do it automagically? Sheesh.. that build system is SO messed up!
[06:14] <hub> slomo: what is wrong with autopano-sift?
[06:14] <slomo> hub: do you want your package replaced with one from marillat which has broken packaging? ;)
[06:15] <shawarma> ryanakca: Ah.. I see.
[06:15] <shawarma> ryanakca: Maybe I should look into it. I really like the webpage generation bit.
[06:16] <ryanakca> :)
[06:16] <hub> slomo: no I don't
[06:16] <slomo> hub: (so nothing is wrong... but i don't want bddebian to merge it from marillat)
[06:16] <hub> ah yeah
[06:17] <slomo> it's amazing how bad packages a DD can create *sigh*
[06:18] <hub> yeah
[06:18] <hub> I'm not DD
[06:20] <shawarma> slomo: Yeah. Especially considering the NM process. They're REALLY picky about who they take on, but as soon as you're a DD, apparantly you can get away with even the most broken packaging.
[06:20] <bddebian> slomo: acroread, etc, you DO want me to do?
[06:21] <Seveas> shawarma, you can use the webpage thingie without using falcon for actually managing the repo
[06:21] <bddebian> shawarma: No, I haven't gotten back to it.  How did you get it to build?
[06:21] <shawarma> Seveas: I see.
[06:21] <slomo> bddebian: yes... acroread, transcode etc are stuff we want to sync :)
[06:21] <shawarma> bddebian: I fixed the LISP code as it went along.
[06:21] <bddebian> shawarma: Well I could do that but it wasn't building hash.o in obj/linux/interp ?
[06:22] <shawarma> bddebian: But to make it build automatically I need to figure out where the list-files are coming from. I can't even figure that out. There are tons of makefiles and they ALL get overwritten during the build, so adding debugging and stuff is hell.
[06:22] <shawarma> bddebian: No, I had to fix hash.lisp to make that build.
[06:23] <bddebian> shawarma: src/interp/hash.lisp.pamphlet generates the C code for example
[06:23] <shawarma> bddebian: Not quite. It generated the lisp code, that generates the c-code.
[06:23] <bddebian> Wel aye
[06:23] <shawarma> bddebian: AFAIR anyway.
[06:23] <bddebian> *Well
[06:24] <shawarma> bddebian: That's what all the other .pamphlet files do.
[06:25] <bddebian> shawarma: What did you change in hash.lisp to make the obj file build?
[06:25] <shawarma> If anyone want's to see some SERIOUSLY messed up packaging: go see axiom.
[06:25] <bddebian> shawarma: Hehe, no kidding
[06:25] <shawarma> bddebian: don't quite remember, but it was a minor thing. There are 3 more fixes along the way.
[06:26] <bddebian> Well I know the mem_value thing
[06:26] <shawarma> bddebian: Are you the stubborn kind who wants to finish this now that you've started, or can I just take it from here and we'll both be happy?
[06:26] <shawarma> bddebian: How did you fix that one?
[06:26] <bddebian> But it still doesn't build hash.o
[06:26] <shawarma> bddebian: ah, you tried removing it from hash.h?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> night all..
[06:27] <bddebian> shawarma: No, I fixed it in src/interp/hash.blah.pamphlet
[06:27] <shawarma> bddebian: Ah.. I hadn't even gotten as far as finding that file.
[06:27] <shawarma> bddebian: that's why I had to do this stuff iteratively while it tried to build it.
[06:28] <shawarma> bddebian: Yes, VERY messed up.
[06:28] <bddebian> shawarma: I will post my fixes to my webserver for your review if you would like
[06:29] <shawarma> bddebian: Sure. The more the merrier. :-)
[06:29] <shawarma> bddebian: I'm asking about your stubbornness, because I'M the stubborn kind, so I'd like to fix this thing. :-)
[06:29] <bddebian> Yes, that is why I have been fighting this stupid thing :-)
[06:30] <shawarma> bddebian: Does this thing build on Debian?
[06:30] <shawarma> bddebian: Apparantly, it does.
[06:31] <bddebian> shawarma: I can't believe that it would.  Especially build-depping on xfree86-common
[06:31] <shawarma> bddebian: Yeah. What's up with that?
[06:32] <shawarma> bddebian: I have a hidden agenda, by the way. :-) I'm saving up to become a MOTU, so having a killer package like axiom on my packages list on Launchpad would be really good. :-)
[06:33] <shawarma> bddebian: So it's not pure stubbornness.
[06:34] <bddebian> shawarma: Nothing wrong with that :-)
[06:36] <shawarma> bddebian: :-) I figure that if I get my act together, it should be feasible within this release cycle.
[06:36] <bddebian> Absolutely
[06:36] <bddebian> Stupid makefiles.. Grr
[06:44] <bddebian> shawarma: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/axiom/
[06:46] <shawarma> bddebian: And that wasn't enough?
[06:46] <bddebian> shawarma: No, it doesn't build hash.o for some reason, even though I get no errors
[06:47] <shawarma> bddebian: Oh, right. I remember that one. :-)
[06:48] <shawarma> shawarma: Instead of chaning the "int" to "unsigned int" i did it the other way around.
[06:49] <bddebian> that should work too
[06:49] <shawarma> bddebian: No wait... That' was cfunc.
[06:49] <shawarma> bddebian: Well, I managed to do it yesterday.
[06:50] <bddebian> Hmm
[06:50] <shawarma> bddebian: I SHOULD be able to do it again.
[06:50] <bddebian> Heh
[06:50] <bddebian> I e-mailed the Debian maintainer but haven't heard anything back :-(
[06:51] <shawarma> bddebian: What makes you thing hash.o doesn't get built?
[06:52] <shawarma> bddebian: It's not that I don't believe you, I just don't see it.
[06:52] <bddebian> shawarma: I will have to start a build again and get you the error
[06:54] <shawarma> bddebian: Er.. i thought you said you didn't get any errors?
[06:55] <Viper550> Someone here liked my Kubuntu theme?
[06:55] <shawarma> Viper550: screenshot?
[06:56] <bddebian> shawarma: I don't get any errors on building hash.o but I get an error that it can't find it when it tries to load it
[06:56] <Viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[06:56] <shawarma> bddebian: Oh... I'll just let it finish.
[06:57] <bddebian> Error: Cannot open the file /home/bdefreese/edgy/axiom-20050901/obj/linux/interp/hash.o.
[06:57] <bddebian> Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging
[06:57] <bddebian> Error signalled by LOAD.
[06:57] <bddebian> Broken at BUILD-INTERPSYS.  Type :H for Help.
[06:57] <Viper550> (on the bottom)
[06:58] <shawarma> bddebian: Ah, right. I got that one with cfunc at one point.
[07:00] <shawarma> bddebian: Well, I've just dput it to my build server. I'll go grab something to eat and see how it's going when I get back.
[07:01] <shawarma> cya!
[07:01] <LaserJock> Viper550: what am I supposed to look at
[07:01] <Viper550> The last one on the bottom
[07:01] <LaserJock> Viper550: I see a sreenshot.jpg
[07:01] <Viper550> Where?
[07:02] <LaserJock> in the tarball at the end of the page where it says "Viper550"
[07:03] <Viper550> that's the GDM theme
[07:03] <Viper550> Do you even use KDE Laserjock?
[07:04] <LaserJock> sure
[07:04] <LaserJock> I use Gnome, KDE, Xfce, and screen
[07:04] <bddebian> shawarma: Later, thanks
[07:04] <LaserJock> some more than others I guess
[07:04] <Viper550> For the best look, use the KDE color scheme with the Polyester Style and Window Decoration
[07:05] <Viper550> The KDE color scheme file...I meant
[07:05] <bddebian> slomo: WTF?  Everything I wget from debian-multimedia.org comes back as index.html?
[07:05] <slomo> bddebian: get it with your browser... there's something broken :(
[07:05] <bddebian> I don't have my browswer in ssh :-)
[07:06] <LaserJock> bddebian: lynx?
[07:07] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ack :)
[07:09] <LaserJock> grrr
[07:09] <LaserJock> I *want* to like evo, I really do.
[07:10] <LaserJock> evo seems to be the worst IMAP email client I've seen
[07:16] <^ohoel> anyone aware of mplayer bugs between edgy -3 and current -4 ?
[07:18] <zul> LaserJock: use mutt
[07:18] <slomo> ^ohoel: no... which ones?
[07:21] <^ohoel> slomo: no idea really, I'm just experiencing some regressions, errors about mp3lib not available, and problems playing raw avi streams that work with -3
[07:21] <slomo> ^ohoel: mp3lib is not available... right... it was disabled from 3 to 4 because of great bugs in it that made it unusable on all machines with 3dnow
[07:22] <LaserJock> zul: I've tried. Really the only thing I don't like about mutt is that it's hard for me to see where all my new mail is. It doesn't seem very easy to go from folder to folder
[07:22] <slomo> ^ohoel: but mad and ffmpeg can do the same and are used as replacement automatically
[07:22] <slomo> ^ohoel: could you paste the output when trying to play broken stuff that worked before to a pastebin?
[07:22] <^ohoel> slomo: yeah, things seem to work regardless of the error popup. will give you the broken output, gimme a sec ;)
[07:23] <slomo> ^ohoel: ok then ignore the mp3lib stuff :)
[07:25] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, ping
[07:26] <^ohoel> slomo: pastebin.com doesnt want to be my friend... got an alternative?
[07:26] <slomo> ^ohoel: pastebin.ca
[07:28] <^ohoel> slomo: http://pastebin.ca/102543
[07:29] <^ohoel> works like a charm once I downgrade to -3
[07:29] <slomo> ok, so it's most probably a ffmpeg regression *sigh*
[07:29] <slomo> please file a bug and assign it to me :)
[07:29] <^ohoel> willdo ;] 
[07:32] <ryanakca> how do you enable universe for pbuilder? I would look on the wiki, but it's so slow that I get "connection timed out"...
[07:34] <^ohoel> is it okay to paste terminal output directly into a malone bug description?
[07:35] <zul> its  better as an attachment
[07:39] <Arbiter> i have a question
[07:39] <Arbiter> if a package was uploaded to REVU
[07:39] <^ohoel> I wish it were more obvious how to post an attachment :] 
[07:40] <Arbiter> and is not updated/reviewed since (for example) December or January
[07:40] <Arbiter> can I adopt the package and upload && maintain my version?
[07:40] <Arbiter> (in order to get it into universe)
[07:40] <siretart> Arbiter: sure
[07:41] <Arbiter> well
[07:41] <siretart> Arbiter: probably you should contact the original contributor, though
[07:42] <Arbiter> there are a lot of unmaintained packages around in REVU
[07:42] <Arbiter> gtkwifi     xhaker@gmail.com    December 02 21:20    3 (0) (for example)
[07:43] <Arbiter> siretart, but.. is a REVU cleanup ever planned?
[07:43] <zul> i believe so
[07:44] <siretart> yes, among other things
[07:46] <Arbiter> siretart, uhm... and when revu2 will be released? :)
[07:47] <^ohoel> slomo: done, bug 54269 - hope I've done everything right ;] 
[07:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54269 in mplayer "[edgy]  Regression between mplayer 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu3 and mplayer 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu4" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54269
[07:48] <slomo> ^ohoel: no that's fine :) i hope i find some time for it soon...
[07:49] <^ohoel> slomo: I'm sure you have more urgent tasks than this ;)
[07:51] <siretart> Arbiter: when its done [tm] 
[07:51] <Arbiter> siretart, hehe :)
[07:53] <nexu> anyone knows whats going on with ubuntu wiki site?
[07:53] <nexu> its terribly slow here
[07:55] <ryanakca> same here
[07:55] <ryanakca> so is wiki.kubuntu.org...
[07:56] <nexu> its like the 2nd time this week its being this slow ..
[07:56] <nexu> ..or actually the first time it was gone completely
[08:02] <LaserJock> everything is slow here :(
[08:02] <LaserJock> my nice uni line has gone to dial-up speeds
[08:06] <ryanakca> heh...
[08:08] <LaserJock> well, my problem seems to be with the uni since Yahoo! even takes a while to load :(
[08:08] <zul> im gine
[08:08] <zul> fine even
[08:08] <LaserJock> darn, and I was going to install kubuntu-desktop :-)
[08:08] <LaserJock> must be some higher power is preventing me from going to the darks side ;-)
[08:10] <zul> yep its called jebus
[08:10] <crimsun> you need to use an I2 mirror, LJ|
[08:10] <tseng> Alvis
[08:12] <ryanakca> everything here is fine, except the wiki
[08:13] <ryanakca> LaserJock: "Come to the dark side, we have cookies" - <personwhoinventedthisoverlyquotedquote>
[08:14] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, pong
[08:18] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, i have to go now :)
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, ok, sorry for the delay...
[08:18] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, but the question is always the same "can you review my packages?" :D
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, sure, I'll have a look... NOW :)
[08:18] <Arbiter> heheheh
[08:18] <Arbiter> see you tomorrow Gloubiboulga
[08:19] <Arbiter> and thanks :)
[08:19] <Gloubiboulga> see you Arbiter
[08:19] <ryanakca> how do you make an edgy pbuilder? errors I got at my attempt: http://pastebin.ca/102588
[08:21] <Gloubiboulga> ryanakca, if you run dapper you have to create a dapper chroot first, then upgrade it to edgy
[09:47] <bddebian> re
[09:47] <bddebian> slomo: Around by any chance?
[09:47] <slomo> yes
[09:49] <slomo> bddebian?
[09:50] <bddebian> slomo: Do any of the deb-src links for debian-multimedia work?
[09:51] <slomo> no idea
[09:51] <slomo> i simply get it from my browser :)
[09:53] <LaserJock> do you guys use debget at all?
[09:54] <bddebian> Not I
[09:54] <bddebian> slomo: You're killing me man.. :-)
[09:55] <slomo> bddebian: :P
[09:56] <LaserJock>  whatever
[09:57] <LaserJock> slomo: the trick is you need to give him treats every once in a while ;-)
[09:58] <bddebian> hehe
[09:58] <bddebian> Ack, acroread is 44Mb, it's as bad as those damn science packages
[10:01] <LaserJock> except perhaps more useful
[10:01] <bddebian> heh
[10:01] <bddebian> slomo: Will ubuntu-archive sync those, or do you fakesync them?
[10:02] <slomo> bddebian: until now i had to make changes to all packages... but i assume that they can fakesync if you give them the url in the bugreport
[10:11] <bddebian> Hmm, well acroread 7.0.8 seems to build clean in Edgy
[10:12] <slomo> bddebian: then ask for a sync :)
[10:13] <bddebian> I'm scared :-)
[10:13] <slomo> why? :)
[10:13] <bddebian> Because I ph3ar Kamion/Keybuck :-)
[10:13] <tseng> jeez
[10:13] <tseng> they are easy
[10:14] <slomo> bddebian: why?
[10:14] <tseng> mdz is the intimidating one
[10:14] <tseng> doesnt bother me much anymore
[10:14] <bddebian> Well I'm usually getting grief for doing something wrong and these aren't straight from Debian :-)
[10:15] <slomo> bddebian: just put the repository url there... and which version of what you want
[10:21] <bddebian> slomo: Aye, I'm just making sure it install
[10:21] <bddebian> =s
[10:22] <bddebian> gah
[10:34] <bddebian> Install fine too
[10:35] <bddebian> *Installs.. Sheesh
[10:39] <bddebian> slomo: submitted
[10:40] <slomo> bddebian: nice :)
[10:40] <bddebian> Is i386 still plugged up with OOo?
[10:46] <slomo> bddebian: partly
[10:47] <slomo> https://launchpad.net/+builds
[10:52] <bddebian> Well hamlib is going to fail
[11:06] <crimsun> bddebian: why?
[11:09] <bddebian> crimsun: python2.3
[11:09] <bddebian>  -7 is in Debian now that is python policy compliant
[11:09] <crimsun> it runs fine under python2.4 according to Fedora Core
[11:10] <bddebian>  -6 specifically builds python2.3
[11:10] <bddebian> *builds with
[11:10] <crimsun> right
[11:12] <bddebian> crimsun: Am I missing something?
[11:12] <crimsun> bddebian: I don't know, are you?
[11:12] <bddebian> crimsun: I mean, what spawned that?
[11:13] <crimsun> 'fail' is highlighted for this channel.
[11:14] <bddebian> crimsun: Oh, sorry
[11:18] <Windkracht8> Hello could someone please explain, or point to an explanation how the packages in the Ubuntu repository's are numbered?
[11:19] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:21] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:23] <crimsun> Windkracht8: see the first note in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id2550897
[11:23] <crimsun> Windkracht8: it's also available in System> Help> System Documentation> Packaging Guide  (in the same section, same note, etc.) if you're using Ubuntu Dapper.
[11:24] <Windkracht8> Thanks crimsun, I'm having a look at it now
[11:27] <Windkracht8> So that are Debian and Ubuntu numbers there, now it's clear thanks
[11:27] <crimsun> np
[11:29] <Lt-Elmo> hi does anyone have a idea when the new firefox and thunderbird will hit the repos
[11:33] <crimsun> when the security team applies the fixes.
[11:33] <Lt-Elmo> ahh i see
[11:33] <Lt-Elmo> was not sure how that work in linux
[11:33] <Lt-Elmo> thank you
[11:33] <LaserJock> hmm, there is a new firefox and thunderbird out?
[11:34] <Lt-Elmo> yes relesed today
[11:34] <LaserJock> why am I always missing these things
[11:34] <Lt-Elmo> 1.5 05 i think
[11:34] <LaserJock> but it's still 1.5?
[11:34] <Lt-Elmo> yes
[11:34] <Lt-Elmo> security and bugfixes
[11:34] <LaserJock> k
[11:35] <Lt-Elmo> seamonkey went 1.02 to 1.03
[11:36] <sistpoty> ubotu: please tell me the pbuilder howto link
[11:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about please tell me the pbuilder howto link - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:36] <LaserJock> !pbuilder
[11:36] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[11:36] <sistpoty> thanks ubotu ;)
[11:37] <LaserJock> you're welcome ;-)
[11:37] <sistpoty> hey LaserJock btw ;)
[11:37] <sistpoty> is the wiki that slow for you as well?
[11:37] <LaserJock> yes
[11:37] <crimsun> please use http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:2qoe1Zc4EZIJ:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto+wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto+cache&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&strip=1
[11:38] <crimsun> basically, "URL cache" -> cached text only
[11:38] <ryanakca> LaserJock: the maintainer of typespeed in debian seems to have vanished off this face of the earth... so I'm asking in #debian-devel
[11:38] <sistpoty> crimsun: nice, thanks... I actually just needed the url
[11:38] <LaserJock> ryanakca: ok
[11:39] <crimsun> right, the URL probably appears sluggish, hence google cache :)
[11:39] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:47] <sistpoty> ryanakca: the typespeed maintainer doesn't seem to be mia afaict... his last upload was two weeks ago
[11:48] <ryanakca> mia?
[11:48] <tseng> missing in action
[11:49] <ryanakca> I had talked to him a month and a half ago about it... he looked at the source... but still hasn't upgraded to new upstream... new upstream has been around for a while now...
[11:49] <ryanakca> ah
[11:52] <ryanakca> meh, I'll try /msging daf again :)
[11:53] <LaserJock> well, not upgrading to the latest version doesn't exactly mean mia
[11:53] <LaserJock> it could be he has good reason to not do it yet
[11:54] <ryanakca> ???
[11:56] <LaserJock> !info typspeed
[11:56] <ubotu> Package typspeed does not exist in dapper
[11:56] <LaserJock> !info typespeed
[11:56] <ubotu> typespeed: Zap words flying across the screen by typing them correctly. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.4.4-8 (dapper), package size 41 kB, installed size 184 kB
[11:56] <slomo> !info hello
[11:56] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[11:56] <slomo> huh why is it in main? =)
[11:57] <LaserJock> ryanakca: ok so the current version in Dapper is 0.4.4 and what do you want?
[11:57] <ryanakca> 0.5.1
[11:58] <LaserJock> ok, so on the website I find this: "My first release will be 0.5.0. In 0.5.x I want to rewrite big chunks of code, in a developer's view, 0.5.x will be rather unstable because code moves a lot..."
[11:59] <LaserJock> perhaps that has made the Debian maintainer a bit hesitant to just hop in there and upload it
[11:59] <ryanakca> Typespeed v0.5.1 has been released, most important change is a fix of an off-by-one in file.c. I am not sure if this could be exploited, but it's a bug and it should be fixed as soon as possible. Beside of that wordfiles and highscorefiles can be in different places and typespeed should compile on systems with glibc 2.4 now...
[11:59] <ryanakca> meh... I'll try to find that virtue called patience :)
[11:59] <crimsun> what LJ quoted is a perfectly legitimate reason /not/ to update
[11:59] <LaserJock> ryanakca: dude, I'm not saying it's not worth it, you just might need to see it from the other side too
[11:59] <crimsun> or rather, to not update
[12:00] <ryanakca> LaserJock: I see your point of view :) Hadn't seen that :)
[12:00] <ryanakca> you have a point :)
[12:01] <LaserJock> so while it is wonderful to have the latest crack sometimes, I can't be mad if the Debian maitainer is hesitant
[12:01] <LaserJock> although it would be nice to get *some* feedback
[12:01] <ryanakca> I agree on the later part :)
[12:02] <ryanakca> bbl... supper
[12:02] <crimsun> hmm, notes would be good.
[12:06] <sistpoty> ryanakca: the bug seems to have been fixed in 0.4.4-10 on the debian side