[12:18] <kwwii>  /me changes clients
[12:23] <kwwii> re
[12:33] <Riddell> kwwii: UTC
[12:33] <Riddell> in 30 mins
[12:34] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks, I kinda figured it out in the meantime :p
[01:10] <bddebian> Hello
[01:10] <Riddell> ssh, we're in a meeting :)
[01:14] <angasule> analog joysticks (2 axes, 2 buttons, connected to the sound card), don't seem to be detected at all, and the joystick section of Settings is completely useless for making it work,
[01:15] <angasule> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55173&  <-- I had to follow this guide, which involves creating an init.d script
[01:37] <imbrandon> moins all
[01:39] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[01:44] <freeflying> morning all
[01:47] <Riddell> angasule: interesting
[01:47] <Riddell> angasule: joysticks aren't really something most developers care about
[01:48] <Riddell> angasule: that's a general system problem though, you're probably best posting to the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[01:48] <angasule> Riddell: well, without joysticks, many games simply aren't playable, so I think analog joysticks and HID-compliant joysticks are important to support
[01:48] <Riddell> angasule: oh I agree
[01:48] <Riddell> it's just most developers don't play games so it's overlooked
[01:49] <angasule> by the way, is it necessary to create the device on each boot as that script does?
[01:49] <Riddell> angasule: no, the correct way would be for the ubuntu m
[01:49] <Riddell> magic to detect the device
[01:49] <Riddell> and then load the linux module which would create the /dev files
[01:50] <Riddell> but that's not my area, ubuntu-devel will know more as I say
[01:51] <angasule> ah, alright, thanks
[01:55] <Erlang> Is it known that kdelibs-bin and kdelibs4c2a are stuck because of libcupsys2?
[02:01] <Riddell> Erlang: nope, stuck where?
[02:02] <Erlang> I don't have libcupsys2 1.2.2
[02:03] <Erlang> only 1.2.0-0ubuntu5 is available to me.
[02:03] <crimsun> edgy, I presume?
[02:03] <Erlang> no.  I run dapper.
[02:04] <Riddell> 1.2.1-0ubuntu2 seems to have gone into dapper-updates
[02:05] <Erlang> ah gosh I don't have that one
[02:05] <Riddell> Erlang: what's your exact problem?
[02:06] <Erlang> The exact problem is that kdelibs-bin and kdelibs4c2a won't upgrade because they can't find a libcupsys upgrade.
[02:06] <Riddell> upgrade from what to what?
[02:06] <freeflying>                                     l.l,n bgeuyh uyyp0[
[02:07] <Erlang> well, nwm.  I did not have dapper-updates.
[02:08] <Riddell> Erlang: I'd like to work out what the problem was
[02:08] <Riddell> Erlang: what were you upgrading from and to?
[02:11] <Erlang> Riddell: well, sorry I need to eat right now.  I'll come back later and dig what was wrong.
[02:17] <Erlang> okay. I have kdelibs-bin 3.5.3-0ubuntu0.1 installed.  it wants to upgrade to ubuntu0.2
[02:17] <Erlang> same for kdelibs4c2a
[02:19] <Erlang> the 0.2 version depend on libcupsys2 1.2.1, which is available on dapper-updates.  I did not have dapper-updates in my list and thus the two package I named could upgrade.
[02:19] <Erlang> couldn't upgrade.
[02:21] <Riddell> libcupsys2 (>= 1.1.99.rc2)   from 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2
[02:21] <Riddell> that makes no sense
[02:23] <Erlang> what makes no sense?
[02:24] <Erlang> well, I'm pretty sure kdelibs-bin depends on libcupsys2 1.2.1...
[02:24] <Riddell> does apt-cache show  say it does?
[02:27] <Erlang> 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2 - kdelibs4c2a (2 4:3.5.3) libart-2.0-2 (2 2.3.16) libaudio2 (0 (null)) libbz2-1.0 (0 (null)) libc6 (2 2.3.4-1) libcupsys2 (2 1.2.1) 
[02:27] <Erlang> is it the right interpretation?
[02:28] <Riddell> what did you do to generate that?
[02:28] <DaSkreech> hi Riddell
[02:29] <Erlang> apt-cache showpkg kdelibs-bin    
[02:30] <Riddell> 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2 - kdelibs4c2a (2 4:3.5.3) libart-2.0-2 (2 2.3.16) libaudio2 (0 (null)) libbz2-1.0 (0 (null)) libc6 (2 2.3.4-1) libcupsys2 (2 1.1.99.rc2)
[02:30] <Riddell> for me
[02:30] <Riddell> so dunno, a bit of a mystery there
[02:30] <Riddell> hi DaSkreech 
[02:31] <Erlang> hmm, strange.  I'm on AMD64, if that can give you an additional clue.  But I really need to leave right now.  I'll be back on the kb later.
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Hmm Ok
[02:32] <DaSkreech> So nothing that I type on the kommand line can be seen
[02:32] <DaSkreech> it's still being typed in though since I get normal error messages and rm -rf / works as expected
[02:34] <Riddell> Erlang: ah hah, it is the amd64 packages at fault
[02:34] <Riddell> ach weel, 3.5.4 will be up tomorrow so no point fixing them
[02:59] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:00] <DaSkreech> G'moring
[05:12] <bddebian> Riddell: You around?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:28] <ajmitch> hello
[06:28] <pygi> morning Hobbsee 
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hi pygi 
[06:29] <pygi> --/autojoin :)
[06:30] <pygi> how is you Hobbsee ?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> pygi: at stevenk's.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> pygi: launchpad.net/people/stevenk
[06:40] <ajmitch> ah, you're visiting again?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: quite possibly.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> pygi: tried 3.5.4 yet?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> does it blow up?
[06:54] <pygi> Hobbsee, haven't tried, sleeping :)
[06:54] <pygi> I am awake since 4am :-/
[06:54] <Hobbsee> pygi: pathetic.  people shouldnt need sleep.
[06:54] <pygi> Hobbsee, :P
[06:55] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:55] <pygi> who said I am people? :P
[06:55] <Hobbsee> pygi: greeen alien.  oh dear.  not another one.
[06:56] <pygi> Hobbsee, blue actually...they don't produce green ones anymore...(outdated)
[06:57] <Hobbsee> pygi: heh.  you know what imbrandon would say, dont you?
[06:57] <pygi> Hobbsee, no :P
[07:20] <nixternal> Hobbsee: !!!! slow down now ;)
[07:20] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14577991@N00/sets/72157594214597851/
[07:20] <nixternal> chicago loco rockin' it tonight
[07:20] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heya
[07:20] <Hobbsee> kde 3.5.4 seems to work okay, but artsd is buggered again.
[07:21] <nixternal> oooh
[07:21] <nixternal> i want
[07:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: want the link?
[07:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde354/ ./
[07:23] <nixternal> oooh
[07:23] <nixternal> i just got all tingly inside
[07:23] <nixternal> i dont' care about arts being buggered
[07:23] <nixternal> any differences that you can notice Hobbsee?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: not yet, particuarly
[08:20] <RichJ> Hobbsee: wheres the love?
[08:20] <RichJ> lol
[08:21] <RichJ> i will blink everyone of your windows
[09:58] <hungerW> Any news on the kde 3.5.4 front?
[09:59] <hungerW> I only noticed arts crash regularly so far. The rest seems pretty stable.
[11:08] <hungerW> Are the strigi debs from debian available for ubuntu somewhere?
[11:29] <Riddell> hungerW: no, if you want to check that they compile and work we can request a sync
[11:57] <tvo> Suppose debian package management system doesn't exist yet and you're creating it, would you choose XML for the the PACKAGES (and other) files or the same custom format that's used now?
[11:58] <Riddell> maybe, but XML is error prone for humans to read and write
[11:58] <Riddell> the current format is pretty easy for humans to write
[11:58] <seaLne> arts hasn't crashed on me yet
[12:00] <tvo> that's what I thought too..
[12:00] <imbrandon> edgy hasent crashed on my yet at all ( cept for kbfx segfaulting , but i'll figure that out )
[12:00] <seaLne> who was it complained about arts?
[12:00] <imbrandon> hungarW
[12:01] <seaLne> you mean his comment earlier today or was it him that mentioned it yesterdy?
[12:01] <imbrandon> dunno bout yesterday, i was talking about earlier today
[12:02] <imbrandon> 3am localtime or so ( bout 2 hours ago )
[12:03] <seaLne> ok, why was kmobiletools 3.3.2 uploaded?
[12:04] <imbrandon> ask bddebian heh
[12:38] <abattoir_> seaLne: kmobiletools builds, installs and runs well on my system(amd64).
[12:40] <seaLne> cool
[12:55] <Riddell> seaLne: your kmobiletools package isn't based on the latest one in ubuntu
[12:55] <Riddell> bddebian seems to have uploaded a version
[12:55] <hungerW> Riddell: How about removing the kat deb? The project is dead (and recommends strigi nowadays) and it never worked on ubuntu anyway.
[12:56] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah well that was him being an idiot
[12:56] <hungerW> Riddell: strigi is pretty nice by the way and builds nicely from the debian sources.
[12:56] <seaLne> but i suppose i should build it agin grr
[12:56] <hungerW> The index size is a bit execive though...
[12:57] <Riddell> hungerW: could you file a bug in launchpad asking for a strigi sync and I'll confirm it
[01:02] <hungerW> Riddell: #54343 is the report about strigi.
[01:02] <hungerW> Riddell: Should I file another one about removing kat?
[01:07] <freeflying> Riddell: around?
[01:10] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[01:10] <seaLne> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2802
[01:10] <freeflying> Riddell: today's install cd of edgy can not be intalled on a amd turion 64x2 notebook, I've disabled the pnpbios, but still can not got the d-i after uncompress kernel
[02:14] <Riddell> seaLne: that still seems to be a deviation from the current pacakage in debian and ubuntu, e.g. the debian/compat level is changed and the debian/copyright file is different
[02:17] <seaLne> compat is fair enough to change but, does debian or upstreams version of copyright win?
[02:18] <seaLne> Riddell: ^
[02:18] <Riddell> seaLne: debian
[02:18] <seaLne> ok
[02:18] <Riddell> well, you could argue the other way if you want
[02:19] <seaLne> new version on its way to revu
[02:25] <seaLne> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2804
[02:47] <Riddell> seaLne: works for me, uploading
[02:47] <seaLne> ta
[02:48] <jjesse> join #ubuntu-bugs
[02:49] <Riddell> seaLne: thanks for persevering
[02:49] <Riddell> would be nice to get upstream/debian/ubuntu in sync there more but ho hum
[03:23] <bddebian> Hello
[05:18] <omeow> Hey imbrandon
[05:20] <omeow> Did you get konversation to build on edgy sources yet?
[05:28] <bddebian> Hmm, Riddell is on a roll again :)
[05:28] <Riddell> well, let's see how many compile
[05:29] <pygi> x68???
[05:29] <pygi> new architecture? :)
[05:30] <omeow> I meant 86, and have you tried zsnes yet?
[05:30] <omeow> I went ahead and filed a bug for it; https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bug/54199
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54199 in zsnes "zsnes segfault on startup" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[05:30] <omeow> various outputs attached too.
[05:31] <pygi> tried, refuses to start
[05:31] <omeow> segfault on startup? 
[05:31] <pygi> Haven't looked at error, but it's probably that =P
[05:31] <omeow> It's probably a memory thing, since the program does startup if you run it through valgrind.
[05:31] <omeow> Albeit slow. But it does run.
[05:35] <Ignite_> if there any chance of a "net install" CD image for edgy?
[05:36] <omeow> You can probably edit the sources list to get edgy instead of dapper? Perhaps that would work?
[05:37] <bddebian> Riddell: Do you have any thoughts/cares about plotdrop?
[05:37] <Riddell> bddebian: never heard of it
[05:39] <bddebian> Riddell: According to: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html  you uploaded it :-)
[05:40] <bddebian> Riddell: I'll fakesync it.
[05:40] <Riddell> what's fakesync?
[05:40] <bddebian> Basically pull the source from Debian add a build1 version, keep our orig.tar.gz and upload :-)
[05:41] <Riddell> clever
[05:41] <Riddell> go ahead
[05:42] <bddebian> Thx
[06:34] <toma> bonjour
[06:46] <uniq> anyone know how i can save the video-brightness/contrast etc. settings in kaffeine permanently? Now I'll have to change the setting manually all the time.. and it sucks. 
[06:58] <jjesse> are daily edgy cd's being built still?
[07:05] <Riddell> yep
[07:05] <Riddell> no idea if they work though
[07:05] <Riddell> freeflying|away was having problems
[07:10] <freeflying|away> Riddell: i386 and amd64 all can not be installed( my test notebook)
[07:11] <jjesse> wow does downloads from cdimage are slow
[07:30] <omeow> I just updated my KDE stuff. And now nothing (not even KDM) has fonts.
[07:30] <Riddell> seaLne had the same problem
[07:30] <seaLne> omeow: that is to do with the new xorg
[07:31] <seaLne> omeow: not all the parts are build yet
[07:31] <seaLne> what card do you have?
[07:31] <omeow> Ah yeah, I see I missed some updates.
[07:31] <omeow> I have an nvidia 6600GT with two samsung 930BFs attached.
[07:32] <seaLne> nvidia module dosen't work with latest xorg, not sure if your card works with nv?
[07:32] <omeow> Hm, seems like I still have to downgrade xserver input.
[07:32] <omeow> dpkg - warning: downgrading xserver-xorg-input-evdev from 1.1.2-1ubuntu1 to 1.0.0.5-0ubuntu2.
[07:33] <omeow> If I use the latest version, no core pointer can be found.
[07:33] <omeow> Thus, my mouse won't work.
[07:34] <omeow> seaLne: What's the bug with the nvidia cards? Fonts seem to appear but then disappear when hovered over.
[07:35] <omeow> That won't work with my screens. =( I'll try with just one monitor.
[07:36] <omeow> hm, actually, it seems it's just missing the fonts.
[07:36] <omeow> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list!
[07:36] <omeow> and a few more
[07:36] <uniq> edgy? 
[07:37] <uniq> X actually works for me now.
[07:37] <uniq> did a dist-upgrade 3 hours ago.
[07:37] <omeow> Yea, x works, but I'm missing some fonts.
[07:37] <omeow> Does Xorg come with the fonts or can I re-install those seperately?
[07:38] <uniq> I did a dist-upgrade yesterday.. and left X running.. when i got home from work my GF had unplugged the power and the battery was emty.. so i was kinda nervous when booting.. 
[07:38] <seaLne> i don't think it is actually the fonts
[07:38] <omeow> Are you sure? The fonts sure look missing to me. :) Monitors seem to work fine, and I can log in as well.
[07:44] <omeow> seaLne: Do you know how I can downgrade my xorg stuff so I can get a working machine again? 
[07:47] <uniq> apt-get install package=version :)
[07:47] <omeow> Yes, but I don't know which version was last.
[07:48] <omeow> Isn't there a command to say "install the last working version"? 
[07:48] <uniq> no.
[07:49] <uniq> you shouldn't use development versions if you want a usable system.
[07:49] <uniq> :)
[07:49] <omeow> But how will you know things work unless someone tries it out?
[07:50] <uniq> the ones that try it out should not expect to have a working system at all times :)
[07:52] <omeow> I'm not expecting it to work at all times. But I do like to have a semi-working system so I can continue to test stuff and file bugs.
[07:55] <uniq> i understand you.. :)
[07:59] <uniq> i think you'll have to do it manually, package by package.. as the older versions are not included in the packages file.
[08:00] <omeow> I'm doing that now.
[08:01] <uniq> ubuntu needs something like snapshot.debian.net
[08:01] <uniq> .. if it doesn't already exist.. 
[08:04] <omeow> uniq: this is stupid
[08:05] <omeow> xfonts-base_1%3a1.0.0-3_all.deb
[08:05] <omeow> wants a /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc, so I create that dir, and when I try to install it, it gets removed again.
[08:06] <omeow> I'm not sure which package has the font "fixed", but xorg crashes with  could not open default font 'fixed'
[08:06] <seaLne> all i did was rebuild against the new xorg the mising modules
[08:08] <omeow> Well, if I use the latest available version, I can log in, but I can't see any fonts. 
[08:08] <omeow> I guess i'll just watch some movies in the meantime or something. Hopefully I can download the new version later tonight.
[08:11] <seaLne> have you switched to nv and apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-nv then build install and restart X?
[08:13] <Tonio_> hey
[08:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[08:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[08:27] <_Sime> Riddell: hi
[08:27] <_Sime> Tonio_: Hi
[08:29] <Riddell> _Sime: hi
[08:29] <uniq> hello. :)
[08:29] <_Sime> Riddell: do you want system-settings (dapper) to be branched in kde svn?
[08:30] <_Sime> Riddell: in case you need to release a fix for dapper?
[08:30] <Riddell> _Sime: I don't think it's worth it
[08:30] <_Sime> Riddell: cool
[08:30] <_Sime> it's a PITA too
[08:30] <Riddell> we have the source in the ubuntu archive so we'll always know where to get it
[08:31] <_Sime> I think I'll fix up some of the labels and then commit what I've got so far.
[08:31] <Riddell> woo! :)
[08:31] <_Sime> the sys-settings C++ code needs some work too. But the menu structure can be commited first.
[08:32] <Riddell> "+  * Kicker's current background could be improved, like a glossy/crystal background."  kwwii: that just added to KubuntuFutureIdeas
[08:32] <Riddell> I don't think I agree with it though
[08:34] <_Sime> Riddell: can you have comments in *.desktop files?
[08:35] <Riddell> _Sime: yes, start with a #
[08:38] <_Sime> thank god the temperature is finally coming down.
[08:39] <Riddell> you'll miss it when it's winter
[08:40] <_Sime> maybe, but I'll be going to Oz for vacation then. ;-)
[08:40] <Tonio_> hi _Sime, Riddell
[08:40] <_Sime> Tonio_: Hi, have you got some time this evening?
[08:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was about to upload kdebase with a patch to switch kicker's eight to 48
[08:40] <_Sime> Tonio_:  I want to sort out that intel video driver stuff.
[08:40] <Tonio_> _Sime: yes, but not before 21 utc
[08:40] <Tonio_> _Sime: sure
[08:41] <Tonio_> _Sime: the point is I'm about to live my apartment :)
[08:41] <_Sime> Tonio_: cool, let me know when you are ready.
[08:41] <Tonio_> it is a kind of mess here
[08:41] <Tonio_> I just finished my job yesterday
[08:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: kicker's eight?
[08:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, to have the 2 lines systray enable with the "normal" size
[08:42] <Tonio_> we needed to increase it's height of 2 px
[08:42] <Riddell> yes
[08:42] <Riddell> a good idea
[08:42] <Riddell> just now sure what kicker's 8 is
[08:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: and how about the patches toma and I did for kdelibs ?
[08:42] <Riddell> height?
[08:42] <Riddell> oooh
[08:42] <Tonio_> width -> height
[08:42] <Tonio_> isn't that the good way to write it ?
[08:42] <Riddell> height with a french accent is 'eight :)
[08:43] <Tonio_> hehe sorry for the horrible english :)
[08:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you like the close button on the icon in konqueror and kopete ?*
[08:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've not tried it but feedback has generally been negative
[08:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[08:44] <Tonio_> what are the people's opinion on this ?
[08:45] <uniq> tonio_: i like the option. even though i initially was very sceptical.
[08:45] <Tonio_> well we'll discuss this in during the next meeting
[08:45] <uniq> I've been using it since you introduced it to me.
[08:45] <Tonio_> uniq: well it is different from what gnome, firefox or windows are doing
[08:45] <Tonio_> but I THINK IT IS VERY FUNCTIONNAL
[08:45] <Tonio_> oups
[08:46] <Tonio_> is works nicelly, does what it is supposed to, and is pretty usefull once you get used to it...
[08:46] <uniq> you always have the backup 'close tab' button to the right in the tab-bar.. if users can't figure out they need to hover the icon to close.
[08:47] <Tonio_> uniq: exactly...
[08:47] <Tonio_> it doesn't change anything since the icon is already there on the left
[08:47] <uniq> If a graphical option to enable/disable it isn't included.. we should include some hacker bash-script to easily disable it.
[08:47] <uniq> or even better toggle the option.
[08:47] <Tonio_> it just give the optionnal possibility to close
[08:47] <Tonio_> uniq: yes I agree with this....
[08:48] <Tonio_> the point is that for kopete for example I had to patch the sources to get it working.......
[08:48] <Tonio_> so it cannot be disabled like this....
[08:48] <uniq> make are patch that reads a config option then.. 
[08:48] <Tonio_> okay we'll make a point and decide what to do in the meeting :)
[08:48] <Tonio_> uniq: hum, not that easy for me :)
[08:49] <Tonio_> I have to go (another box to finish with all my clothes in...)
[08:49] <Tonio_> seya
[08:49] <uniq> bye :)
[08:50] <Tonio_> ho and how about the middle click scroll up/down in konq ?
[08:50] <Tonio_> that like firefox, I really like it ;)
[08:52] <omeow> seaLne: No I haven't yet. Does that work with two monitors though?
[08:52] <uniq> haven't tried that.. 
[08:55] <seaLne> i have 2 cards so no idea
[08:55] <kwwii> Riddell: I'll see if I can whip something up for the panel
[08:55] <aliasfred> ultra naive question, why do you do those modifications on kubuntu and not on kde directly ?
[08:56] <insanekane> Tonio_: middle click scroll ?
[08:57] <Riddell> kwwii: I'm sceptical that it can be done and still look nice/be usable
[08:58] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, most of the ones I have seen and made are too much
[09:24] <_Sime> aliasfred: because we can't just make arbitary changes to the main version of kde that a heap of other distros depend on.
[09:27] <Riddell> aliasfred: KDE 3.5 won't accept large changes and KDE 4 won't be out for a good while even if any of our changes still apply to iot
[09:35] <Riddell> kwwii: how come you needed the sponsor logo?
[09:35] <kwwii> Riddell: i did not need it, I was asking jane which logo to use on the akademy site (since someone asked me to make sure)
[09:36] <kwwii> Riddell: how did you hear about that?
[09:36] <Riddell> kwwii: who asked you?
[09:37] <Riddell> jane pinged me, poor woman has already had me and tink hassle her with the same question
[09:37] <kwwii> not, sure, I think it was someone working on the design of the site itself
[09:37] <kwwii> hehe, that is why she said she kinda had to laugh about it
[09:38] <kwwii> next time I will stay out of it...I just thought that I should prevent a mistake :-)
[09:38] <Riddell> me too :)
[09:40] <kwwii> hehe, well now I understand Janes' comments - I wondered why she found it funny that I asked :-)
[09:45] <kwwii> ahhh, now I see that Riddell was in CC
[10:18] <kwwii> apachelogger: ping?
[10:18] <apachelogger> kwwii: pong
[10:18] <kwwii> apachelogger: I started to test a script to use batik and I noticed one problem with the script as-is...it starts a new process for every icon
[10:19] <kwwii> so, using java it takes forever
[10:19] <apachelogger> hm
[10:19] <kwwii> could we write a list and then read it?
[10:20] <apachelogger> kwwii: a list of icons to process?
[10:20] <kwwii> yeah
[10:20] <kwwii> so we can call them all in one process or perhaps two, with the small sizes
[10:20] <apachelogger> might be
[10:22] <kwwii> I know how to write it to a file, but I have never read from a file in bash before...guess I could figure it out though...thought you might want to do it, and it would be quicker this way :-) 
[10:23] <apachelogger> well, batik would have to read it
[10:23] <apachelogger> if bash reads it we have the same problem as before
[10:24] <kwwii> well, we give all the svgs (read by bash into a list) and feed that to batik as a variable, I guess
[10:25] <kwwii> ie. expand that variable to the list given in one batik command
[10:26] <apachelogger> hm, not sure whether this is gonna work
[10:26] <apachelogger> just replace the icon if call with icons=`ls actions/*.svg` and use this variable in the batik cmd
[10:27] <kwwii> hehe, good point...that might work
[10:27] <kwwii> as I said, I didn't do much with it, just tried to see if batik would produce good results
[10:27] <apachelogger> kwwii: I guess it does :)
[10:28] <kwwii> yeah, it was what I used when I first made SVGs but it had been a while since I tried it
[10:28] <kwwii> honestly, not much has changed in batik in the last year or so
[10:43] <Ignite_> hey, i've already asked in #kdevelop but got no reply, i'm guessing most people in here use kdevelop so.. decided to ask here basically, when i'm using the embeded QT designer, it seems the normal QT menu bar isn't displayed, how do i preview a form i'm working on?
[10:44] <Riddell> Ignite_: kuiviewer
[10:45] <Riddell> but then I use emacs
[10:45] <Ignite_> ok thanks :)
[11:29] <Riddell> seaLne: good interview on behind ubuntu there, I've added it to UWN
[11:31] <Riddell> crivvens, what happened to fridge?  it's like active and stuff
[11:36] <Tonio_> _Sime: I'm there