[12:23] <kwwii> re
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[01:26] <Viper550> Hello!
[01:29] <kwwii> hehe, meeting now...shhhh
[01:29] <Viper550> where?
[01:36] <kwwii> sorry for not responding
[01:46] <Viper550> I uploaded a tarball to the kubuntu-edgy-ideas page containing my new theme
[01:52] <kwwii> Viper550: could you put the pics on there too, so we can see them without downloading them?
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[01:53] <Viper550> The pic is there
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[03:35] <troy_s> ping
[03:35] <troy_s> who lives?
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[03:54] <troy_s> greetings _jason
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[03:28] <Viper550> Hello
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[07:30] <Viper550> Hello everyone
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[07:39] <Viper550> Anyone here?
[07:41] <kwwii> I am
[07:42] <Viper550> I'm loving that new style that was documented on the wiki, -1 looks awesome!
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[08:13] <newz2000> anyone know a way to find out what fonts you've installed that are not part of a distro?
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[10:08] <mhb> good evening
[10:10] <kwwii> howdy mr mhb
[10:12] <mhb> so, what are you up tu?
[10:12] <mhb> to
[10:15] <kwwii> not too much
[10:15] <kwwii> kinda mellowing out tonight
[10:15] <kwwii> you?
[10:17] <mhb> me too
[10:18] <mhb> I'm probably going to do more work at the weekend
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[10:31] <kwwii> yeah,
[10:31] <kwwii> me too :-)
[10:34] <mhb> kwwii: I've seen the wallpaper suggestions
[10:34] <kwwii> what did you think?
[10:35] <kwwii> the lag is you trying to decide how honest to be :p
[10:35] <kwwii> lol
[10:37] <mhb> kwwii: :o)
[10:37] <mhb> kwwii: I liked more the non-bubbly things
[10:37] <kwwii> don't worry about hurting my feelings
[10:38] <kwwii> do you like the flower pic? as wallpaper, I mean?
[10:39] <mhb> I'll check them all once more :o)
[10:40] <mhb> well, the flower is nice, but maybe too bright
[10:41] <mhb> I currently use the "world" background
[10:42] <kwwii> so perhaps I should do more work on that
[10:43] <mhb> and I think the bubbles look a bit "unnatural"
[10:43] <kwwii> it fits much better with the current kde look
[10:44] <mhb> kwwii: but I think more people should raise their voices
[10:45] <mhb> kwwii: your decision should not be based solely on my opinions
[10:45] <mhb> :o)
[10:45] <kwwii> mhb: I think I will send an email to the list asking for ideas
[10:46] <kwwii> note that I also discuss all of this with the kubuntu community in general
[10:46] <mhb> where?
[10:46] <mhb> that's great
[10:46] <kwwii> but I want to ask for people to help contribute to the theme
[10:46] <mhb> OK ... I get it :o)
[10:47] <kwwii> the artwork community behind kubuntu needs to grow, and I need to sponsor that
[10:47] <mhb> you work on the bubble theme and I'll try to do some modifications to the "world" bg
[10:47] <kwwii> sounds cool :-)
[10:47] <mhb> I agree ... we needmore people like you :o)
[10:47] <kwwii> I should post the original map svg I found
[10:47] <kwwii> someone pointed it out to me online
[10:48] <kwwii> you?
[10:48] <mhb> I don't remember
[10:48] <mhb> but I liked it from the beginning
[10:49] <kwwii> I will post some of the svgs and stuff (also from the kde3 bg, it has the same kinda idea)
[10:49] <mhb> anyone has experience with running Photoshop under wine?
[10:50] <mhb> (some lazy "artist" wants me to move his design proposal into CSS, but he offers me only a photoshop file)
[10:51] <mhb> kwwii: kde3 had a world map as a bg?
[10:51] <mhb> kwwii: wow ... I never noticed :o)
[10:54] <kwwii> mhb: yepp, kde3 has a world pic (with alpha trans.)
[10:54] <kwwii> and a wave at the bottom
[10:54] <kwwii> kde3.5
[10:55] <mhb> kwwii: I probably used only Kubuntu with KDE3+ :o)
[10:55] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/earth_wave3.svg
[10:58] <mhb> oh .o)
[10:59] <mhb> I've seen only the wave, without the world
[10:59] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/edgy3a.svg
[10:59] <kwwii> but that is a bad version of the svg
[10:59] <kwwii> the map slowly started to get fscked up as I worked on it
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[11:19] <mhb> kwwii: how come?
[11:20] <kwwii> I guess it was the filter (negative multiply) that I used in Adobe Illustrator to make the colored countries transparent
[11:20] <kwwii> it worked, kinda, in inkscape but it eventually fscked things up
[11:20] <mhb> (I need to achieve some major goals and then ask for the Kubuntu membership ... I always feel like a plebeian around here :o)
[11:22] <mhb> kwwii: so that is why some countries look lighter than others?
[11:23] <kwwii> yepp, in the original AI version they all had different colors, and it was pretty nifty
[11:23] <kwwii> I should update things
[11:23] <mhb> I should get Illustrator :o)
[11:27] <kwwii> to be honest, it still does some things better than any other tool I know
[11:31] <mhb> kwwii: well, it's not the cheapest tool around, so it should be at least partially worth the money .o)
[11:32] <kwwii> mhb: the funny thing, is that for a lot of people, who need to make money with it, it is
[11:33] <kwwii> and everyone in the OS community gives it trouble
[11:33] <mhb> kwwii: it is not the cheapest tool, definitely :o)
[11:33] <kwwii> yet, it is still better in some ways, than any free tool available
[11:33] <mhb> kwwii: I'll be happy when they will offer packages for Ubuntu. :o)
[11:33] <kwwii> I mean, try to work with a printer
[11:33] <kwwii> deal with CMYK stuff
[11:34] <kwwii> and file formats
[11:34] <kwwii> produce a decent eps in linux
[11:34] <kwwii> I can understand the problems with proprietary file formats
[11:35] <kwwii> anyway
[11:36] <kwwii> eps should not be that hard
[11:36] <kwwii> ok, the cmyk stuff still sucks
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[11:41] <kwwii> I could write a book about it :p
[11:46] <mhb> :o)
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[11:55] <mhb> sorry, had a call :o)
[11:55] <mhb> kwwii: I would be more than happy if they offered packages for Linux/Ubuntu
[11:56] <mhb> kwwii: because now I'm forced either to use an emulator or to install an operating system I don't own (or like)
[11:56] <kwwii> mhb: hell, I would even pay for them
[11:56] <kwwii> honestly
[11:57] <mhb> kwwii: if graphics earned me enough money I would pay for them, too.
[11:57] <kwwii> hehe
[11:57] <kwwii> well, it is what I do for a living
[11:58] <mhb> kwwii: I know :o)
[11:58] <kwwii> onscreen graphics, video and foto work
[11:58] <mhb> kwwii: Canonical pays you?
[11:59] <kwwii> mhb: I have a contract for 24 hours a week with them, yes
[11:59] <mhb> kwwii: that's nice :o)
[12:00] <kwwii> well, it ends in a few months
[12:00] <kwwii> but the previous one was for 15 hours a week
[12:00] <kwwii> who knows
[12:01] <kwwii> I also have a few possibilities in the area, so I am not too worried about work
[12:01] <mhb> kwwii: about the Adobe Suite stuff ... the thing I dislike is the "vicious circle" that ends at Windows OS
[12:02] <mhb> kwwii: like what happened to me today -> artist makes a design for a webpage and saves it in .psd -> needs me to work with it -> no software for that on Ubuntu (I guess)
[12:04] <mhb> kwwii: so I have to "borrow" some Adobe soft for a week and try to run it in wine or in vmware (and I have to "borrow" some XP with it)
[12:04] <mhb> kwwii: OK, I'll stop whining now :o)